Soviet fleet by 1991

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In August 1991, the State Emergency Committee lost, and the USSR collapsed, this historical a fact that cannot be changed, the past has already taken place. But in the light of the wild pogrom perpetrated the fleet in the 90s, the question remains: what was objective and what was subjective in what happened? What was done to please the interests of the West, and what was an objective process? What shortcomings did the fleet really have in the Soviet era?

Perhaps it's worth starting with the fact that the massive decommissioning of ships was inevitable. Not on such a scale, of course, as in reality, when they cut everything in a row, but still - inevitable. In Soviet times, it was postponed, they tried to avoid it with might and main. And the reasons, in principle, are clear - the Soviet Union was a social state, and as a social state it could not afford mass unemployment.



Remained in the ranks


And according to the main classes of ships for 1991, the following remained in service:

1. Two cruisers of project 68b.

2. Three cruisers of project 58.

3. One cruiser of project 1134.

4. Nine destroyers (30b, 56, 57b).

5. Nine first-generation nuclear submarines, plus dozens awaiting dismantlement.

6. Fifty-six diesel submarines of projects of the 50s (611, 613, 629, 641, 651).

Not even counting the little things - this is a huge number of ships that could not be upgraded, and the fleet simply did not need them and were only subject to write-off. And this is expensive. Nuclear submarines are especially expensive, because the issue of disposal and storage of reactor compartments is not cheap. Well, people - these are thousands and tens of thousands of people who needed to be attached, and given the fact that dozens of ships of the main classes were decommissioned before the collapse of the USSR, this is a very serious problem. Moreover, in the next decade, the service life of second-generation nuclear submarines was approaching, and this is neither more nor less, but 31 atomarines.

Well, modernization - a number of ships could still serve subject to modernization. A striking example - BOD project 61. Excellent ships, but requiring considerable investment. Or TFR (frigates) 1135, or anti-submarine cruisers 1123. There are a lot of examples, but not very powerful. So in any case, there would be a choice - what to do with them. And the choice is not obvious, the industry already had a replacement for young old people in the series, and we always knew how to build better than repair. Again - one new ship replaced a couple of old ones, and the terms of construction and modernization were not very different and did not differ much, as, by the way, and the cost.

So the massive decommissioning of ships built in the 50s and 60s was simply inevitable, and it was in full swing, for which Gorbachev and the Communist Party of the Soviet Union were stupid to blame, the fleet was getting rid of junk that could become the graves of crews in war with no purpose or purpose. Moreover, the process was carried out quite smoothly, trying to preserve the jobs of the military and not ruin the infrastructure.


And to prevent this from happening in reality, for example, in the village of Rakushka in the Primorsky Territory, where the 29th submarine division was based, and half of the life from which has gone after it was liquidated in the 90s. As in dozens of other places.

It was definitely worth keeping


Another thing is what exactly was worth keeping.

1. Aircraft carrier cruisers. The head "Kiev" of project 1143 entered service in 1975 and could serve for a year until 2015, subject to medium repair and modernization for the already flying Yak-41. With money, of course, it could be up to the level of "Vikramaditya", but it is expensive and time-consuming. There were four in total 1143, if we add to them two "Kuznetsov" and "Ulyanovsk", then we get 7 aircraft carriers at the end of the XX century. Even if you write off / sell the top three (Minsk, Kiev, Novorossiysk), now there would be four aircraft carriers in service, one of them light and one nuclear. Even with the collapse - two "Kuznetsov" plus "Baku", plus "Novorossiysk".

2. Cruisers 1144 and 1164, even without new bookmarks, could have been 11: 5 nuclear projects 1144 and six - 1164. For four aircraft carriers more than, and as the basis of Soviet / Russian AUG too. It was already in the ranks or on the stocks or planned for construction, but the collapse of the country ruined everything, including the ships already built. And so, purely technically, there were no problems. The minimum could be kept 4 + 4, which is also a lot.

3. Destroyers (and BOD, never understood the thrust of the USSR to come up with new types of ships) - there could be 17 1134A / B in service, and the oldest of them would have served until 2004, if we take a service life of 35 years, the youngest - up to 2014 year. From the newer - 1155 in the amount of 12 units, and 11551, the ships are universal by the time of collapse, three units on the stocks. And of course 956 - 25 units. A total of 57 destroyers, even if nothing else was built at all, this would be enough for 20-30 years, that is, to this day.

4. Nuclear missile and underwater, even according to the projects in the series - these are 50 missile carriers in service and construction, which made it possible to unhurriedly write off the "Murena", rebuild the CD "Granat" and other different "Squids" into carriers, keeping 14 "Sharks" and Dolphins. AUG could fight 6 670M and 19 949 / A, which is more than, especially if you finish 670M under the "Onyx". Well, multipurpose - 28 "Pike", 21 "Pike B", and 6 945. One thing can be said here - there are even too many of them: 130 nuclear submarines of different types and classes are even redundant. Moreover, it is redundant for at least two decades, during which it would be possible, without haste, to experiment, loading the capacity with repairs and modernization of the existing one.

5. Diesel submarines - also complete order - project 877 24 boats, plus 641B - 18 boats, plus the possibility of their construction in any required quantities. Even without building a new one - more than enough for its goals and objectives, especially if upgraded for cruise missiles.

6. Frigates and corvettes. Only frigates 1135 32 units, and five 11540 were still under construction and were being prepared for construction, just right to arrange a sale ... With corvettes - project 1166 is already in the series, to build - not to rebuild, well, MPK and MRK - just a lot, a lot, plus then what else is on the stocks.

There is no question of the same landing ships - only three UDC, 28 - 775 and good old Tapirs, the same about minesweepers, boats and other things.

In short, by 1991 the situation was unique - we had a fleet equal to that of the United States.

They had a developed industry and a unique opportunity - to stop for at least ten years (or even 20), develop new concepts, optimize and modernize the existing one, avoiding a social catastrophe, which was the reduction of the Navy for sailors. At the same time, even a separately taken RF, subject to the presence of common sense, could preserve the core of the fleet and its submarine and aircraft carrier components. There would have been problems, but the same Ukraine proposed in the 90s, for example, the completion of Lobov and Varyag, the workers were eager to eat. Save the country - another option: the Soviet fleet in the 80s really changed, it became smaller in quantity, but much stronger and more efficient in quality.

It didn't work out, or rather - someone was interested in something else. As a result, we now have a shadow of what could have been. And the current shipbuilding programs aimed at the Navy, parity with England and France, can no longer pull.
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  1. 0
    16 June 2021 11: 10
    Excuse me, but some kind of porridge and not an article! To count 15 surface ships, and then remember about the rest, it's kind of strange.
    1. +7
      16 June 2021 13: 01
      About 15 surface ships, it meant trash for any suitable only for decommissioning, and then about what could be used
      1. 0
        17 June 2021 03: 20
        Quote: Niko
        it meant trash for any suitable only for cancellation

        Yes, I figured it out only on your tip, but the claim to the article remained. ))
    2. +6
      16 June 2021 13: 58
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      ... but some kind of porridge ...

      There is a feeling ...

      In short, by 1991 the situation was unique - we had a fleet equal to that of the United States.

      In my opinion, the author is mistaken.
      To parity ... Now, if all the conceived projects of the late 80s went into series, then by the end of the 90s we would be close to parity (provided that the USSR lived and prospered), but this is already an alt. history...
  2. +1
    16 June 2021 11: 11
    The author, first of all, is always easier to write off, and even then there was an idea of ​​modernization and sale to third world countries, which was prevented by the collapse of the country. And, to the question about "Lobov" - why did uk-roina want for him, and what was he really worth at that moment! And your article is superficial, a minimum of analysis of the situation, some figures, and your own, also fragmentary, thoughts negative
    1. +3
      16 June 2021 11: 31
      So after all "Minsk" with "Novorossiysk" were sold to China anyway (at that time it was quite a third world country) without any modernization. Literally at the scrap price. So in one thing the author of the rights - certain individuals, and obviously very high-ranking ones, were very interested in destroying as much as possible in the shortest possible time. And this applies not only to the fleet - as Chubais admitted, they were in a hurry, because "every closed plant is another nail in the coffin of communism" (not literally). And no one answered for this outrage. And judging by how at ease rusty Tolik feels, no one will answer.
  3. +19
    16 June 2021 11: 23
    And I am more interested in the opinion of a potential adversary from their declassified Cold War documents about the Soviet Navy.
    “The USSR is currently building about a dozen large surface warships,” says the CIA report of November 1973. “There are two aircraft carriers among them. They will give the Soviet Navy new capabilities in the World Ocean. The displacement of these ships is from 35 to 37 Despite the fact that the size and composition of the wing is not a competitor to the US Navy aircraft carriers, they will be armed with vertical takeoff and landing aircraft that will be able to carry out reconnaissance missions at sea and cover the ship from aircraft and anti-ship missiles. for the first time will allow the Soviet surface navy to operate freely far from its shores - it will no longer need air cover from coastal airfields. in the oceans ".
    About submarines
    Our analysts, who watched the exercises of the USSR Navy, came to the conclusion that the Soviets were betting on a surprise coordinated attack from several points at once against one large surface target. The first, obviously, to hit our aircraft carriers, which are at the minimum flight range of the wing from Soviet territory, this alignment can pose a serious danger to the aircraft carrier strike group. ".
    About naval aviation
    The USSR Navy has many vehicles capable of attacking an American ship: fighters with anti-ship missiles, medium bombers, including Tu-22, vertical takeoff and landing aircraft, reconnaissance aircraft, jammers.
    About the Commander of the USSR Navy
    "The achievements of Admiral Gorshkov are truly outstanding. His reforms took place in a country whose entire military history is based on the dominant role of the Ground Forces. Four main achievements can be distinguished. Before Gorshkov, the Soviet Navy rarely operated far from its territorial waters. And in 1985, in 170 Soviet warships are operating in the oceans. Second, the admiral has accelerated the creation of strategic submarine forces. The Soviet Navy operates 62 modern submarine cruisers with intercontinental ballistic missiles, including four Typhoon-class submarines - the largest ever built. , under Gorshkov, technologically advanced general-purpose ships were built. Fourth, he completed the creation of a balanced surface fleet, including the first aircraft-carrying ships. "
    Respected.
    1. +9
      16 June 2021 12: 58
      Quote: SERGE ant
      And I am more interested in the opinion of a potential adversary from their declassified documents during the Cold War about the Soviet Navy.

      SERGE ant - judging by the excerpts - a very competent analysis by the Americans of our successes. It completely echoes what I mentioned in my recent article "How and where are we going, comrades?" Would you mind reading these documents in their entirety?
      Also very interested in who, according to the author of the article, was interested in such a massive write-off of quite modern Soviet ships?
      And further. With the collapse of the country, we lost a large number of repair sites and naval bases (primarily Ukraine, then the Baltic States and Georgia) located outside of Russia. And those that remained were loaded with previous orders. Foresight and competent calculation were required on the part of the leadership of the USSR Navy and the Russian Navy. What we bring to 100% readiness we put into operation, what we put on modernization, in reserve or on conservation (using the experience of the United States in this matter). What we sell for metal or sell / give away to meet the needs of allies and partners. Has this been done? Partially yes - they wrote off all the old stuff. Quite modern ships were partially written off due to the impossibility of their repair and modernization. The rest was simply killed without funds to maintain technical readiness. It turns out that the fleet was built, and the infrastructure to support it lagged behind or "left" when the country collapsed.
  4. 0
    16 June 2021 11: 27
    It didn't work out, or rather - someone was interested in something else. As a result, we now have a shadow of what could have been. And the current shipbuilding programs aimed at the Navy, parity with England and France, can no longer pull.

    It did not work out, the "Fifth Column", led by the Anglo-Saxons, destroyed what our people had been creating for decades with blood and sweat, denying themselves everything, as long as the country lived.
    1. +2
      16 June 2021 12: 14
      Quote: tihonmarine
      It did not work out, the "Fifth Column", led by the Anglo-Saxons, destroyed what our people had been creating for decades with blood and sweat, denying themselves everything, as long as the country lived.

      Tellingly, the people still deny themselves everything laughing
      1. +2
        16 June 2021 13: 26
        Quote: Civil
        Tellingly, the people still deny themselves everything

        You can say that, but the Russian wealthy capitalists, too, consider themselves a people and also "deny themselves everything." I even want to start a tear.
  5. +1
    16 June 2021 11: 41
    As a result, all this would have eaten up funds in the "quietest" years for our country, and it would have to be written off already in the most turbulent 2012 + 2014 +, taking into account how much they have eaten by this time (and, accordingly, no matter how much built other types of weapons with this money).
    There is an expression "not according to Senka hat" - here, it was not a hat for us in the 90s.
    1. +2
      16 June 2021 12: 21
      there was a hat not for us in the 90s

      Of course, if the whole country is plundered and enterprises are destroyed, not only a hat - a skullcap will not fit on a bald head ..
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    1. +3
      16 June 2021 12: 57
      In 1989, 17 decommissioned Project 613 submarines were handed over to PepsiCo as payment for the company's products.
    2. +2
      16 June 2021 13: 30
      Quote from rudolf
      For information: Project 613, this is our main diesel-electric submarine created after the war on the basis of captured German projects.

      And then there was the famous lighter division in Linnahamari.
  7. -7
    16 June 2021 12: 18
    Another cry of Yaroslavna and vigorous delirium from Ivanov laughing
    1. -3
      18 June 2021 16: 56
      Quote: smaug78
      Another cry of Yaroslavna and vigorous delirium from Ivanov

      Do you think Ivanov should have shouted "Hurray" and toss his cap up?
      1. 0
        18 June 2021 18: 15
        I suppose there was no need to whine ... But to think with your head how you can save if there is no money ... But it's so insulting ...
        1. 0
          18 June 2021 18: 21
          Quote: smaug78
          I suppose there was no need to whine ... But to think with your head how you can save if there is no money ... But it's so insulting ...

          Well, yes, I agree, this is a complex problem associated with the collapse of the country. It is impossible to consider them separately.
  8. +3
    16 June 2021 12: 31
    Already takes for the soul, how painful. The fleet suffered irreparable losses without a battle, and the naval aviation was completely destroyed to please the "partners". I served at this time.
    1. +2
      16 June 2021 13: 33
      Quote: Sailor
      The fleet suffered irreparable losses without a battle, and the naval aviation was completely destroyed to please the "partners". I served at this time.

      Everything has suffered losses, from the potato field to the space Buran.
  9. +4
    16 June 2021 12: 46
    It's not even the numbers that matter, but the vile selfishness of people in uniform and fussy "bugs". With indifference (?) Or complicity of "political mold or foam" - eBn and a handful of scum surrounding him. In the 90s, tens of thousands of officers' lives were ruined, and warships were sold for a penny. So that they hiccup in the next world! And those who are still trampling the earth will sooner go to the level - 2 m.
    1. -1
      16 June 2021 13: 39
      The point is not in the selfishness of the admirals, but in the complete uselessness of these ships for the country, which was to go through a period of collapse, confusion and vacillation. Well, the nuclear-powered missile cruiser "Frunze" (aka "Lazarev") stood at the wall almost all its life - so what? But nothing. Nothing at all. "Minsk" and "Novorossiysk" would rot next to him in the roadstead.
  10. +4
    16 June 2021 13: 31
    Yes, they would not have pulled so many ships, they would not have pulled. It was necessary to leave only the necessary and the newest. But they were just actively sawed.
    Aircraft-carrying cruisers - "Kuzya", "Varyag". (We would not have completed the construction of Ulyanovsk);
    destroyers 956 - keep everything and upgrade, No replacement yet, 22350M is still in the project;
    BOD 1155 - leave everything and convert into destroyers, 22350M - see above;
    Nuclear submarine pr. 941 - questionable, the boats are new and quite modern, but too expensive to maintain, "Borei" is better;
    1144 - Leave 3 units. (including "Lazarev"), 1 - SF, 1 - Pacific Fleet (flagships), 1 is under planned repair and replaces either of the two as needed.
    1164 - leave everything;
    frigates 1135 - leave and replace as soon as they arrive 22350.
    diesel submarines - by question, brand new "Varshavyanka" now rivet like hotcakes.
    multipurpose nuclear submarines - so, they were left like that, "Ash" is too long and expensive to build, but it is necessary.
    1. 0
      19 June 2021 08: 12
      956 has almost all been cut. I personally saw how two different em cases were cut into metal in Kozmino in a year.
      1. 0
        21 June 2021 10: 22
        The article dealt with the state of the fleet for 1991.
  11. +9
    16 June 2021 14: 27
    The author left outside the brackets our most powerful boats, project 941. The boats were intended for the Arctic, had a high autonomy (180 days) and comfort for the crew. The natural crackling of ice could mask the course of the boat, the boat could simply be at anchor under the ice cap.

    All the talk about increased noise and problems with R-39 missiles, demagoguery. The boats had 20 missile silos each, large, not small, into which, if desired, it was quite possible to insert both a single missile and a block, as the Americans did.


    In addition, the P-39s at that time were far from "rotten", and the military-industrial complex cooperation with Ukraine then existed. It's all about desire, or not desire. Our "partners" had a desire to destroy these boats, while the Russian authorities had no desire to bother with preserving the fleet (the United States became friends). Therefore...



    Interestingly, in the most difficult years of Soviet power, EPRON raised sunken ships, put them into operation, and it turned out to be useless after 1991 to preserve the drowned fleet, to mothball it.

    They destroyed not only the material part but also the combat readiness. How not to recall Vice Admiral Gennady Radzevsky here.
    Coming back from vacation is fascinatingly interesting, things that are incomprehensible, impossible and incompatible with military service at sea immediately catch the eye. And for a long time the same thought persistently itches in my head: "Why have we not yet burned out and drowned", but after a couple of days you involuntarily get used to the ugliness, although you twitch for a while in a dream.

    The whole country was like that. Now they have "optimized" and "imported substituted", not so noticeably, and even despite the "menager" there are successes, although the fleet is still to be restored, and to the Soviet level, unless only with the restoration of the most renewed USSR.
  12. -1
    16 June 2021 17: 57
    In the mid-90s, Ukraine was no longer independent. The "Varyag" was sold to the Chinese because they agreed with everyone - both mattress mats and Gay Europeans. And pr. 1164 would not have been sold to Russia under any circumstances. You could always come up with another excuse.
  13. +2
    16 June 2021 19: 19
    premature write-off of 1135, 1155, and submarines of all types = this is a crime, but of course aircraft-carrying cruisers without berths for an incomprehensible vertical plane had to be written off unambiguously
  14. 0
    17 June 2021 00: 28
    for the main classes of ships for 1991 remained in service:

    1. Two cruisers of project 68b.

    2. Three cruisers of project 58.

    3. One cruiser of project 1134.

    4. Nine destroyers (30b, 56, 57b).

    5. Nine first-generation nuclear submarines, plus dozens awaiting dismantlement.

    6. Fifty-six diesel submarines of projects of the 50s (611, 613, 629, 641, 651).


    A very strange list, huh?
  15. 0
    17 June 2021 00: 33
    1134A / B
    these are not destroyers.
  16. 0
    17 June 2021 14: 24
    .Russia is a very rich country and can afford to have a strong fleet, and not a parody of it. According to Forbes, the aggregate fortune of Russian oligarchs is $ 453 billion. One American nuclear-powered aircraft carrier of the Nimitz class is worth $ 6 billion at American prices. That is, 75 nuclear aircraft carriers are in the pockets of the Russian oligarchs. And the country does not have a single one, not even destroyers are being built .... But alas, the wealth of Russia belongs to a narrow group of people, moreover, mostly not Russians, who do not care about the fleet and indeed about everything except their own enrichment. And while this state of affairs will continue, the imitation of the development of the fleet and demonstration at parades for the land public will continue.
    1. +2
      18 June 2021 07: 09
      select and do. passed already, so far something kuak from the soviet woman ... we are a rogue we are scrambling
  17. +1
    18 June 2021 07: 07
    yes we yes i yes could ... but why couldn’t that? Th 30 years later, they started asking questions and waving checkers? but, for sure, fat appeared, you can whine
  18. 0
    22 June 2021 15: 55
    And according to the main classes of ships for 1991, the following remained in service:

    1. Two cruisers of project 68b.

    2. Three cruisers of project 58.

    3. One cruiser of project 1134.

    4. Nine destroyers (30b, 56, 57b).

    5. Nine first-generation nuclear submarines, plus dozens awaiting dismantlement.

    6. Fifty-six diesel submarines of projects of the 50s (611, 613, 629, 641, 651).
    The author, why have you smoked such a zaboristy ???

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