"In a niche between a corvette and a frigate": ships under construction for Bulgaria were without ammunition

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"In a niche between a corvette and a frigate": ships under construction for Bulgaria were without ammunition

When in 2018 the Bulgarian parliament voted for the project of purchasing two modular patrol ships for the needs of the Navy worth almost $ 620 million [to replace the ship of the project 1241.2 Molniya-2 and the frigate 1159], only one deputy drew attention to one "small" detail: none of the companies participating in the tender offered the supply of ammunition.

Almost three years later, it became clear that this "small" detail is likely to cost the Bulgarian taxpayers another $ 250 to 620 million.

- indicated in the local publication "Capital".



The auction was won by the German company Lurssen, part of the money has already been paid, explained Defense Minister Georgy Panayotov:

I personally did not know that the ships were bought without ammunition. They cost a lot.


As noted in the publication, the Bulgarian military has made it a tradition to conceal the costs associated with the acquisition of shells, material and technical support and the need to invest in infrastructure, so as "not to intimidate the public at too high a cost." As a result, Sofia will receive two ships only with ammunition for the cannon, but without torpedoes and missiles - both anti-aircraft and against ships and ground targets.


RBS-15 Mk3


At the same time, the Ministry of Defense has not yet chosen the type of missile weapons. It is assumed that in order to save resources, it will be of the same type for the Navy, Coast Guard, aviation and possibly infantry. According to the author of the material, most likely the patrol ships under construction will receive the RBS-15 Mk3 anti-ship missiles from the Swedish company Saab and the German company Diehl. In fact, due to standardization, the equipment of the entire army depends on this choice, and not only fleet.

Against this background, in 2020, the European defense concern MDBA with the French Exocet and the Norwegian Kongsberg are actively promoting their own Naval Strike Missile (NSM) system. In particular, it is proposed to purchase both a new version of the NSM and older ammunition from the arsenal of the Norwegian army, which have a 20-year remaining service life.

But the contract with the German shipbuilder delegated him the right to independently choose the armament of ships and, in view of close ties with Saab and Diehl, the scales tilt in favor of the RBS-15 Mk3.

We didn't buy boats for walking

- says Admiral Emil Eftimov from the Navy, explaining that the deal is extremely profitable in terms of cost.

In his words, the chosen project is actually located in a niche between a large corvette and a small frigate. Before the arrival of the first ship in 2025, it will become clear how to equip it and where and how much to finance the purchase of ammunition. However, the Ministry of Defense fears that the decision to replace missile weapons will lead to an increase in the cost of building ships.

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    1. +9
      12 June 2021 18: 26
      The platform has been ordered, the Navy will order the main armament soon, no drama!
      1. +1
        12 June 2021 18: 39
        Quote: bagatura
        The platform has been ordered, the Navy will order the main armament soon, no drama!

        The drama is probably in this:
        will probably cost the Bulgarian taxpayers another $ 250 to 620 million.

        A common divorce, when a "platform" is bought (even a child's doll, even a FE-35) for sane money, and accessories are already for insane. Eternal history ... request
        1. -2
          12 June 2021 18: 49
          To live with wolves, then learn to howl according to the laws of the wolf: so something, but they know how to knock out money ...
          1. -1
            12 June 2021 18: 59
            Quote: aleks neym_2
            To live with wolves, then learn to howl by wolf laws

            As there in the song: "You shouldn't bend under the changeable world, let it be better for it to bend under us ...". (Without taking into account the identity of the author) laughing
            1. -1
              12 June 2021 19: 33
              wink What did the author annoy you with? laughing
              1. +4
                12 June 2021 21: 46
                Quote: aleks neym_2
                What did the author annoy you with?

                Artistic deflection)))
              2. -1
                13 June 2021 11: 34
                Quote: aleks neym_2
                wink What did the author annoy you with? laughing

                But I don't like him. request
        2. +8
          12 June 2021 20: 16
          This is for two corvettes with weapons ... Okay. Free of charge only brnza in a trap for krysi ..
          1. +2
            12 June 2021 21: 57
            Quote: bagatura
            Free of charge only brnza in a trap for krysi ..

            Free only cheese in a mousetrap .. But I liked it feta cheese in a rat trap ..
      2. +3
        13 June 2021 00: 04
        The platform has been ordered, the Navy will order the main armament soon, no drama!

        It's okay. Widespread practice in the world. The ships themselves will be built at the Bulgarian shipyard MTG "Delfin" - Varna. hi


        Layout corvette "Lursen".
        1. +2
          13 June 2021 00: 18
          Quote: pytar
          Layout corvette "Lursen".

          Is there more information on the corvette?
          1. -1
            13 June 2021 00: 38
            Is there more information on the corvette?

            Tomorrow I'll look, maybe someone from your colleagues here will help you with information? hi
            1. +3
              13 June 2021 07: 22
              Yes, it's based on the K 130 corvette.
          2. +2
            13 June 2021 03: 39
            This is called a "multifunctional modular patrol ship", a kind of Baden-Württemberg at minimum salaries and once modular, then, by definition, initially the question of armament is open.
          3. 0
            13 June 2021 10: 55
            Is there more information on the corvette?

            Colleagues Bagaturand Yuri V.A (Yuri) rights. good It is a type K 130 corvette. Modular design. Length 89,40 m, displacement 1840 tons, maximum speed 26 knots. 1- helicopter deck. The Fr. project is very successful. Lürssen Gruppe.
            https://invoen.ru/vms/novije-korveti-k130-bundeswera/


            PU Mk3 with RBS15 missiles on board the corvette.
            1. 0
              13 June 2021 11: 06
              Thank you. A very good project, there are really no questions for it. For Bulgaria, the most it.
              Israeli variants of the Saar 6 are just fire, but overkill for you.
              1. +1
                13 June 2021 11: 25
                And I think so. In addition, the price is quite competitive, I do not see any problem with additional equipment and ammunition.
            2. +1
              13 June 2021 17: 40
              Our OVPs have nothing to do with the K-130 except the manufacturer. The ones that Bulgaria chose is the OVP 95, are similar to the OVP class Daussalam that Lursen built for the Royal Navy of Brunei 10 years ago - but much larger and more difficult. As one friend Darussalam said on steroids ...
              https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/RAN-IFR_2013_D2_140.JPG/300px-RAN-IFR_2013_D2_140.JPG
    2. -8
      12 June 2021 18: 27
      The stupid surprise of the Bulgarians - you are six of the United States, so you have, have and will have - this is the fate of all litters! And some deputy who accidentally got into parliament, who does not understand how much, will start to creep in, the American military will go straight there, as happened recently with some Bulgarian office, insert a fuse in the ass and say that it was so! Like "And the city thought that the exercises were going on! " laughing
      1. -7
        12 June 2021 19: 13
        How many offended Bulgarians have been dropped on the VO! Or their Russian lawyers ... I don't like being an American litter - but I have to! You're not going anywhere! laughing
      2. +8
        12 June 2021 19: 18
        You are six of the USA, so you have, have and will have - this is the fate of all litters!


        Zyablitsev I gave you a minus. I don’t even dare to guess where you received your upbringing. For this, you are also minus, because you turn normal communication into a queue for a rural toilet.
        1. -5
          12 June 2021 19: 25
          It's a shame! I understand you ... What are your objections to my comment? You are a proud, independent country, but entered into an unnatural alliance with the eternal enemies of the Slavs, the Anglo-Saxons, not even into an alliance - but surrendering to slavery, promising them that you will go to war against Russia and die as one for the interests of Washington! What to call you after that! I am not Lavrov and I will not play diplomatic politeness - you are a country of six, and I really stand in line for a rural toilet, which is much more natural for a normal person (especially a Slav) than to be an Anglo-Saxon bedding! hi
          1. +4
            12 June 2021 19: 53
            I am not Lavrov and I will not play diplomatic politeness


            Obviously, you also don't have the opportunity to play in a normal upbringing. Well, not a problem - it happens and happens.
            1. -3
              12 June 2021 19: 55
              Everything about me is clear! And about you? Essentially the problem I raised, can you say something? However, what can you say on your own - you must first agree on your answer at least in Brussels and at most in Washington! laughing I will also hit you with a minus in return - and then suddenly I will not have time - tomorrow you, perhaps, will look at me through the prism of an optical sight at the command of your overseas owner!
              1. +4
                12 June 2021 20: 05
                Essentially the problem I raised, can you say something?


                I have said and written a lot on the topic of the article. And your problems are up to me.
                1. -5
                  12 June 2021 20: 07
                  Then why have they clung to me - if to the lantern! Have you put a minus? You are somehow not consistent in your comments!
          2. +6
            12 June 2021 20: 14
            Do you need a litter, or what?
            1. -4
              12 June 2021 20: 16
              I do not, I am a self-sufficient person with a sense of dignity, a self-respecting Russian Slav - unlike, for example, Bulgarians who selflessly lick the Anglo-Saxon ass!
              1. +3
                12 June 2021 20: 25
                Yeah, it hurts that there are no candidates to lick your ass)))
                1. 0
                  12 June 2021 20: 29
                  We don't need to lick anything - the Slavs are brothers to each other, but, unfortunately, there are renegade Slavs who sold themselves to the Anglo-Saxons! Do not worry, the Slavic world is from God, and will not disappear, even despite the fact that corrupt Jews, worshipers and slaves of Satan appear in its ranks!
                  1. 0
                    12 June 2021 20: 35
                    Do you still have brothers? Or just enemies?
                    1. -1
                      12 June 2021 20: 40
                      Normal people-Slavs remained in every country, even lying at the will of its corrupt politicians, who, however, are still supported by the population, under the Anglo-Saxons! Do not worry! On the other hand, Russia is a self-sufficient country - the Slavs of Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Poland, Ukraine want to lick the Anglo-Saxons' ass, let them lick! God be their judge! But, after all, the Truth in life is one and sooner or later it puts everything in its place! hi
                  2. +1
                    13 June 2021 07: 25
                    It is not known to me who gave you and all of Russia powers speaks on behalf of all Slavs. Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Croatian, Slovenia, your beloved Serbia is also in no hurry to join the EAC ...
            2. 0
              12 June 2021 20: 41
              Quote: bagatura
              Do you need a litter, or what?

              There are a lot of them along the perimeter of the borders of the Russian Federation, choose any ...
          3. 0
            13 June 2021 00: 28
            You are a proud, independent country, but entered into an unnatural alliance with the eternal enemies of the Slavs, the Anglo-Saxons, not even into an alliance - but surrendering into slavery ... What should I call you after that!

            Zyablitsev, did you accidentally confuse something?

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5J_5s8PzPY
            1. -1
              13 June 2021 07: 18
              For us, thank God, the corrupt era of the collaborationist Yeltsin has sunk into oblivion!
              1. -1
                13 June 2021 11: 21
                For us, thank God, the corrupt era of the collaborationist Yeltsin has sunk into oblivion!

                Seriously? True true? wink Foreign real estate, summer cottages, cottages, sold? Have you been taken away from the hated West from your head, daughters, grandchildren? Was the capital transferred back to Russia? laughing
          4. 0
            13 June 2021 09: 55
            ?????What was it?????
            What is the excitement and for what reason ?????
            Because of these ships, our gasoline is already approaching a hundred square meters?
            Or is the communal apartment growing because of them?
            If so, then argue
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      3. +5
        12 June 2021 20: 38
        The stupid surprise of the Bulgarians - you are six of the United States, so you have, have and will have - this is the fate of all litters!


        And what does the USA have to do with it?
        Bought from the German company Lurssen
        1. -2
          12 June 2021 20: 43
          Everything related to weapons is done exclusively with the permission of the United States! There are, of course, excruciations, such as Greece and Turkey - but also by agreement with the United States, such as a game of democracy, but digging in the insides without problems! laughing In general, I wrote, in general, that 40 years ago it would not even have occurred to imagine that the brotherly Bulgarian people would so selflessly lick an American's ass! And now they are being clever about VO - they are in the alliance of the enemies of Russia, tomorrow, on orders from Washington, they will go to kill in the Russians, and here they put minuses and take offense when they are told who they are and what they really are! Why do they need this boat with ammunition? Going out to the Black Sea and sinking a Russian ship (because NATO and an order from Washington) won't be enough for a military spirit, but a hospital ship is quite - that's why they need this ship!
          1. +4
            13 June 2021 07: 29
            Of course, if Bulgaria is not under Russia, it does not have the right to live? We just don't know where you got your opinion that the Bulgarian people wanted Russian power ...
        2. +3
          13 June 2021 00: 30
          And what does the USA have to do with it? Bought from the German company Lurssen

          In a black and white worldview, there is no room for such "details" ... laughing
          1. 0
            14 June 2021 11: 57
            How excited the Anglo-Saxon slimes from different parts of the world were - forward and with a song! "Biden - going to put minus slaves greet you!" laughing
            1. 0
              14 June 2021 13: 07
              Zyablitsev (Eugene) Today, 11:57 How the Anglo-Saxons got excited lizuns from different corners - forward and with a song!

              Zyablitsev, in fact, you are the only one here, demonstrating clearly unhealthy excitement ...

              Here is a short recalculation of your verbiage:

              Zyablitsev (Evgeniy) June 12, 2021 18:27 ... you are sixes USA, therefore you have, have and will have is the fate of everyone litter! "


              Zyablitsev (Eugene) June 12, 2021 19:13 How many VO is omitted ... I don't like being American bedding - but you have to!


              Zyablitsev (Eugene) June 12, 2021 19:25 ... you country-six, and I ...standing in line for a rural toilet... what to be ... beddingth!


              Zyablitsev (Evgeniy) June 12, 2021 20:16 ... unlike, for example, Bulgarians, selflessly licking Anglo-Saxon backside!


              Zyablitsev (Evgeniy) June 12, 2021 20:29 We are nothing lick do not ... there are corrupt Jews, worshipers and slaves of Satan!


              Zyablitsev (Eugene) June 12, 2021 20:40 ... Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Poland, Ukraine ...lick ass Anglo-Saxons, let them lick!


              Zyablitsev (Eugene) June 12, 2021 20:43 .... the Bulgarian people will be like this selflessly lick American backside ...


              For psychologists, this obsessive obsession would probably be interesting. But for normal members of the forum, nope ... No.
              1. 0
                14 June 2021 13: 24
                I at least demonstrate something original and freedom-loving, in contrast to your stereotypical servile bleating! laughing
                1. -1
                  14 June 2021 16: 11
                  I am at least demonstrating something original and freedom-loving ..

                  You demonstrate "something", but it is completely wrong ... negative
                  1. -1
                    14 June 2021 16: 54
                    For you, I ask hi
                    1. -1
                      14 June 2021 17: 27
                      For you, I ask

                      No "on you" to a man who is rude in every post! Conversation is over. stop
                      1. -1
                        14 June 2021 17: 59
                        Of course, you are only with your owners ... laughing Stop humiliating yourself and I will begin to communicate with you respectfully, but for now you deserve only such communication! However personally I did not offend you in any way, I am talking about Bulgaria as a whole! But you have gone over to the individual, and this suggests that you yourself understand that the Slav licking the ass of the Anglo-Saxons is Judas! No more and no less, and his fate will be just as unenviable! hi
    3. +6
      12 June 2021 18: 31
      Well, they will hold another tender, not (judging by the article) in the first one.
    4. -3
      12 June 2021 18: 45
      Before the arrival of the first ship in 2025, it will become clear how to equip it and where and how much to finance the purchase of ammunition.


      And we will have more work - two new goals ...
    5. +3
      12 June 2021 19: 05
      Actually, these are the problems of the Bulgarians. If you want to buy military equipment separately from ammunition for it, then there is a lot of extra money available. ...
      1. 0
        12 June 2021 22: 18
        Yes, when the enemy has problems, it's good.
    6. +3
      12 June 2021 19: 09
      And what kind of boats did you buy?
    7. +4
      12 June 2021 19: 11
      Yes, okay - a corvette with good weapons for 250 million euros is pretty decent, and Lursen will build them in Varna, at our shipyards. It will have anti-submarine, anti-aircraft and anti-ship weapons and the ability to take on board a turntable. The price for all this is quite decent, and what they miss will be played on the second two ships.
    8. +5
      12 June 2021 19: 49
      Actually, the order for the Bulgarian Navy is absolutely public and hangs on the Internet. It would be better if the author gave the technical characteristics of the ship and weapons. I'll give them, but sorry, I can't translate so much text:
      Combat Abilities:
      - observation of underwater, surface and airborne conditions;
      - in the battlefield, actions against surface, submerged and airborne the enemy;
      - hitting on the bregovi and naval targets, the rear of the radar is visible from the anti-ship missile (ASM) from the anti-ship missile complex;
      - protection on the krab from anti-ship missiles;
      - ability for surface and air entry of targets with artillery entry;
      - entry into the enemy is brought from the anti-submarine torpedo;
      - the entry into the air by the enemy of the anti-aircraft missile system from the attack on the Zenithny missile complex; - participation in air defense operations for ship detachment;
      - escort and protected by trade and military korabi;
      - the ability to operate on the basiraneto and control it on the AS 565MB “Panther” helicopter;
      - otkrivane on diving at a golem distance and tyakhnoto follow a layer on a skok for propagation of sound in the sea environment.


      The main armament of the ship:

      - Artillery complex (distant action);
      - Zeniten artillery complex for close action;
      - Anti-underwater entry;
      - Anti-ship missile complex;
      - Anti-aircraft missile entry;
      - Radio engineering, including: -Multi-functional tricoordinate radar;
      19/52-System for radio-technical identification; -Podkilna hydroacoustic station; -System for underwater communication.
      - Systems for electronic warfare, including: -Predictable station for radar coverage; -Installation for passive radioelectronic counteraction;
      - Optical-electronic system for control in the Orzhieto;
      - Automated Boyna System for Control (ABSU)
      - Communication and information systems, including: -Systems and means for radio communications; -Cryptographic means for protection on NATO classified information; -Cryptographic means for protection on nationally classified information; -Antenny systems; -System for control on communication and entry; The system for the entry-ship notification and communication; -The system for the exchange for messages, files, E-mail; -The system for the automatic exchange for data for the control of LINK-11 (with the possibility of adding to LINK-22); - The system for satellites VSAT communications.
      - Navigation systems, including: -Integrated navigation bridge X-Band navigation radar with ARPA prefix, S-Band navigation radar with ARPA prefix, Military Automatic Identification System (W-AIS), Military System for displaying on W-AIS ), etc.; - Integriran navigation complex Inertialna gyroscopic system (laser or optical gyroscope), Magnetnikopasi, Lag, Eholot, Differential GPS (M-Code), Equipment for receiving at navigation and hydrometeorological information, Ship station hydro-meteorological navigation data repeater system; -GMDSS system.


      Optional armament:

      Radio-technical entry, including: -Towed HAS;
      - Systems for electronic warfare, including: -Predictable station for radio communications in the VHF and UHF bands; -Station for active radio-electronic countermeasures;
      - Additional multifunctional consoles k'm Automatizirana Boyna System for Control (ABSU);
      - Additional Communication and Information Systems, including:
      20/52-Additional Systems and means for radio communications (for working with Towed HAS); - Additional Cryptographic means for protection on NATO classified information (for LINK 16); - System for automatic exchange for LINK16 data.
    9. +6
      12 June 2021 20: 01
      It is not clear what the problem is ?!

      Corvettes are like corvettes, like our projects 20380/20385, which also cost 250 million dollars apiece without ammunition.

      NATO is building up armaments, including Bulgaria.

      Therefore, we also need to take this into account.
      1. 0
        13 June 2021 14: 01
        NATO is building up armaments, including Bulgaria.

        Read the article carefully
        [to replace the ship of project 1241.2 "Molniya-2" and a frigate of type 1159

        And given the resurgent Turkish factor, this is not even enough hi
    10. +4
      12 June 2021 23: 11
      And not the media - a divorce ???
      I have not heard that ships were bought right along with ammunition and ammunition supplies ...

      Maybe even with the sailors and the captain ???
      1. -1
        12 June 2021 23: 30
        Quote: Max1995
        ships were bought right along with ammunition and ammunition supplies ...

        "attention to one 'small' detail: none of the companies participating in the tender offered the supply of ammunition."
        Translated into understandable - the supply of ammunition and the price tag for this action are not spelled out in the contract = they fly into a certain amount of dough for entering additional. agreements for these deliveries.
        1. +1
          13 June 2021 00: 36
          Translated into understandable - the supply of ammunition and the price tag for this action are not spelled out in the contract = they fly into a certain amount of dough for entering additional. agreements for these deliveries.

          Not always like this. For example, you can buy hunting weapons, and ammunition later, choosing the best offer.
          1. +2
            13 June 2021 01: 24
            Quote: pytar
            you can buy hunting weapons and ammo later by choosing the best offer.

            Incorrect example. When buying a gun, I know what caliber and what cartridges to take for it. In this case, it is not known which and whose installations will stand, therefore, whose ammunition is needed.
            This is the same as buying a butt from a gun, and then sitting and wrestling with who is cheaper to buy a barrel, a bolt, under what caliber, and how much the cartridges for the chosen one will cost. Would you buy yourself a hunting rifle on such terms?
            1. 0
              13 June 2021 11: 00
              This is the same as buying a butt from a gun, and then sitting and wrestling with who is cheaper to buy a barrel, a bolt, under what caliber, and how much the cartridges for the chosen one will cost. Would you buy yourself a hunting rifle on such terms?

              In fact, you described a conditionally modular design above. This is exactly what the corvette Lursen K 130 is. So, yes! Yes
              1. 0
                13 June 2021 11: 08
                Quote: pytar
                This is exactly what the corvette Lursen K 130 is. So, yes!

                That is why in the post above I wrote that the Bulgarians got on a sickly loot with additional. agreement instead of signing a well-thought-out contract right away. drinks
                1. +3
                  13 June 2021 11: 17
                  They can receive armament within the framework of assistance from NATO. those. free or with a small surcharge. This is most likely the calculation.
                2. 0
                  13 June 2021 11: 48
                  That is why in the post above I wrote that the Bulgarians got on a sickly loot with additional. agreement instead of signing a well-thought-out contract right away

                  Kolega komuso, gave additional details in his post down. All factors and details taken into account, the deal is very good for Bulgaria. In fact, this is confirmed by the vote in Parliament:
                  only one deputy drew attention to one "small" detail: none of the companies participating in the tender offered the supply of ammunition.

                  In the Bulgarian Parliament, the opposition is always strong and always sharply criticizes the ruling parties. In the given case of all the deputies, only one expressed doubts. Such unanimity is extremely rare in the competitive political space of Bulgaria.
                  The renewal of the Armed Forces is carried out according to the plan approved by the Parliament. It provides for a lot more. For example, the acquisition of 1 or 2 / optional / submarines for the Navy, the acquisition of a second exadrille F-16 bl.70, the supply of new armored vehicles for the ground forces, the modernization of existing equipment / Su-25 is already ready, soon T-72 /, production under license from UAVs and other activities. Many of them will be carried out at Bulgarian enterprises, technology transfer is envisaged.
                  The stable state of the economy and finances of Bulgaria, even during the corona crisis, gives a guarantee that everything will be done in stages. hi
                3. +2
                  13 June 2021 22: 07
                  According to the article, they didn't get nifiga. Bloated peremoga.
                  There is a ship, there are cannons, there are launch electronics, and for sure there is a small set or training missiles.

                  And the rest - buy yourself what you want. Not the Middle Ages, everything is standardized ...
    11. +8
      12 June 2021 23: 30
      Quote: Finches
      How many offended Bulgarians have been dropped on the VO! Or their Russian lawyers ... I don't like being an American litter - but I have to! You're not going anywhere! laughing

      So individuals showed up with the absence of even a hint of upbringing. If I, for example, accidentally blurt out “Drunkards and degenerates again launched their gop-organ,” I will again be weighed down by the N-th Chinese. Therefore, I will simply write that insufficient education creates an extremely contradictory feeling towards those who wrote in particular and the country as a whole.
      1. +2
        13 June 2021 07: 09
        I don’t see any drama with ammunition, and prices are highly dependent - for two OPVs of 2 ammunition, it will cost no more than 100-150 million euros. With artillery, everything is more or less clear, Bulgaria produces both 76 and 30 mm artillery shells (Dunarit Ruse) , with air defense missiles, too, it is clear that there will be ESSMs, since such missiles have already been selected for the modernization of the belgian frigates. It is unclear with torpedoes, but so it will be 324 mm PLO here, the choice is small, either the American Mk 46 / Mk 54 or the Italian A244. As for the RCC-NSM and RBS-15 Mk 3, as an option, they immediately disappear - both of them are not certified for the F-16, and in the plans for the purchase of the second batch of 8 F-16 V there are also options for the purchase of air-based anti-ship missiles, I personally think that there will be some Harpoons, such as the Morocco Air Force recently ordered.
      2. -3
        14 June 2021 08: 49
        All these former “brothers” repeat like a mantra the same phrase: “The people are not to blame. The authorities are to blame, But they are silent that the people themselves chose the authorities. Already tired. Let them learn to answer for their stupidity and the stupidity of their power. And not at the expense of our taxes.
        1. +1
          15 June 2021 20: 35
          Excuse me, are you getting into investors or donations with us?
    12. -1
      13 June 2021 07: 00
      the Bulgarian military has made it a tradition of hiding the costs associated with the acquisition of shells, logistical support and the need to invest in infrastructure

      The more turbid the water, the thicker the guerrillas hi
    13. -1
      13 June 2021 15: 59
      Again the gypsies stole.
    14. -2
      14 June 2021 08: 45
      Let the brothers pay, the Union is gone and the freebie is over.
    15. 0
      14 June 2021 15: 44
      And why, in fact, should ammunition be included in the ship's delivery kit? Can also provide fuel and lubricants throughout the entire life cycle to assign to shipbuilders? no problem - just pay! Now, if it turned out that ammunition for the installed weapons is no longer produced at all - there would be a problem, and so - I see no reason for shouting "everything is gone!"

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