It is reported about plans for the supply of fifth generation Su-57 fighters to the troops this year

The adoption of the newest Su-57 fighters, developed under the program of the promising front-line aviation complex, continues to be adopted by the aerospace forces (VKS) of Russia. aviation (PAK FA). The supply of fighters to the troops began last year.

This year, as reported RIA News With reference to an industry source, it is planned to supply two Su-57 fighters to the Russian Aerospace Forces. We are talking about the second and third serial fighters of the fifth generation.

It is noted that they will be sent to Akhtubinsk, where the GLITs (State Flight Test Center) is located.

At the moment, various types of tests of the latest fighters delivered to the troops are ongoing. One of the test options is to use the Su-57 as an air control center for unmanned aerial vehicles. Already several times the Su-57 took to the air along with a heavy strike Russian drone "Hunter". It was reported that several such drones could be controlled from the fighter in the format of a single operation.

Options for armament of Su-57 fighters with hypersonic weapons... First of all, we are talking about missiles related to the "Dagger" complex. Today, such missiles are the basis for the armament of MiG-31K aircraft. Earlier it was indicated that such hypersonic systems would soon begin to enter service with units of the Western Military District. Today they are in service in the Southern Military District.

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[Bar1]

this is already progress, otherwise I thought that the report on deliveries would only be next year.

[Blanket]

I wonder if the supply progression is arithmetic or geometric? )

[hrych]

Again, "hang" the Dagger where not. MiG-31K and that's it. Even with the Tu22M3, this is doubtful, although it is certainly within the power and there is still logic. And Dryers simply cannot cope with such a barrel, including structurally. Gremlin and Sharpness are created for them. Like Gremlin - an aeroballistic one with a turbojet engine, something based on the most distant S-400/500 missiles, or something smaller, dagger-like. A sharpness - aviation Zircon, a kind of aviation Onyx-Brahmos, hypersonic of course with a ramjet engine. These Gremlins / Sharps will be in the nomenclature of not only Sushki, but also the same Tu22M3 and even MiG-31BM.

[Alexey-74]

I wish it were ...

[hrych]

So you imagine. They take a MiG-31, take off everything heavy from it, saw off its abdomen for fastening. They could have safely tested it on the Tu22M3, no, it took the stratosphere and the fastest MiG-31. What is the trick, that without going beyond your borders at all, smudge across London with a maneuvering 10-12 flywheel, megaton class, device. Su-57, stupidly in the height of the landing gear, will drag the Dagger, sit on it , the strength is not enough to disperse and lift. To put the Dagger on the Tu-22 or even the Tu-160, but why? There is the Vanguard for Washington. The Tu-160 should not even come close to the active zone of the enemy's air defense, so it has ultra-long-range cruise missiles. The Tu22M3 can do this, but it has the most powerful X-32, which, on the other hand, maneuvers better, etc. And Gremlin will enter the bomb bay, and even more than one or two. Therefore, the Dagger is ideal only with the MiG-31K and only with it. It is also a strategic complex for the control of Eurasia.

[VO3A]

Tu22M3 can do it, but it has the most powerful Kh-32,

He cannot do anything. In fact, he is no longer there. In the Russian Aerospace Forces, there are only about 50 flying ...
https://militaryarms.ru/armii-mira/vvs-rossii/
Of these 50, they cannot find 30 for upgrading to the Tu-22M3M, and the upgrade has stalled! While they are testing one modernized one, the rest will fall apart, more precisely, the rotated high-loaded wings will fall off or crack ... These aircraft have 5-6 years to live, and this is the best of the rest ... I think that there will be no modernization at all, because the plant will not gives 5 years of post-modernization or post-repair resource, and the military wants at least 7 years ...

[hrych]

Not 50, but 60. First of all, you don't need a lot of such machines. This is with a refueling bar - a strategic missile carrier. Will replenish the fleet of Tu-160 and Tu-95. 5-6 years old of course not. For them there is a new engine for the development of resources and they will fly for 20 years. The modernization is already underway. "Long-range bombers Tu-22M3 are massively undergoing modernization at the Tupolev enterprise in Kazan, said Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, Interfax-AVN reports." We have modernized equipment - Tu-22. These are actually new aircraft, I will not be distracted by technical details. They are being massively modernized at the Kazan plant, "Shoigu said in his report to Russian President Vladimir Putin. So he stabbed Putin too

[VO3A]

I also want to believe in what you wrote ... But, 1 (one) aircraft has been modernized and it is being tested and not transferred to the Aerospace Forces ... This time ... The Tu-22M3 has a very loaded rotary wing assembly and it more than the assigned resource will not pull. The aircraft does not have an integral fuselage and it does not help the wing, moreover, it is highly elongated and has no safety margin. These are two ... Until 2030, they will be written off to one and all and no modernization of equipment and engines, and weapons will help ...

[hrych]

Trust the Minister of Defense?

[VO3A]

A link to a source, a phrase literally ... the Ministry of Defense announces that he is provided with his services ... he cannot check everything, especially since this is aviation, and he is an economic manager, not a SPECIALIST ...

[Barberry25]

the second board is under testing, a couple more are at the stage of modernization

[Sarboz]

Quote: VO3A

But, 1 (one) aircraft has been modernized and it is being tested and not transferred to the Aerospace Forces ...

Well, at least the second modernized Tu-22M3M has been flying since March 2020. And if the Minister of Defense a year later talks about mass modernization, then we are not talking about two or three aircraft. But you certainly have the most reliable information, apparently directly from the general designer of KAZ.

[From Tomsk]

The delivery rates are impressive))

[Victor_B]

Quote: From Tomsk

The delivery rates are impressive))

It will not be enough!
(And this is my appetite!)

[Grits]

Quote: From Tomsk

The delivery rates are impressive))

In Soviet times, ships were built at such a pace

[mark1]

In a TASS report dated November 2.11.20, 4, it was said about 21 aircraft for XNUMX years.

- and in the news again everyone lies, like little children ...

[mark1]

When a lot of many small minuses arrive, then everything is clear - who, for what and why, but when one with a weight of -100 arrives, I would also like comments, otherwise it is somehow disgusting, not by the status of a minus.

[ODERVIT]

It is also bad that the "minusers" are hiding behind the shoulder straps, which they have seen from the sidelines in life.
I'm ready, I'm catching ...

[VO3A]

You are not catching anything, you have not said anything! Learn ...
Again, a crazy article with fairy tales.

One of the test options is to use the Su-57 as an airborne control point for the activities of unmanned aerial vehicles.

The Su-57 cannot be a control point, it can play the role of an additional control channel, one of the channels ... But the Su-30 can do it just as well ...

Options for arming Su-57 fighters with hypersonic weapons are being considered.

What is it, to hang a rocket on an invisible plane on an external suspension ... Is it impossible to invent something smarter for the flood?

[alexmach]

What is it, to hang a rocket on an invisible plane on an external suspension ... Is it impossible to invent something smarter for the flood?

There was once a talk about a certain mysterious "Gremlin" in dimensions for the weapon compartment of the Su-57. How - is unknown.

[ODERVIT]

I will ask without instruction. What, where and to whom I decide for myself.

[El Chuvachino]

Do not pay attention, this comrade suffers from narcissism and every time he rubs in the same game, he has already encountered it.

[Serg65]

Quote: ODERVIT

"minusers" are hiding behind the shoulder straps, which in life have been seen from the side.

You might think that those minusers who saw shoulder straps on their shoulders and not from the outside would be for this nonsense ...

Quote: mark1

In a TASS report dated November 2.11.20, 4, it was said about 21 aircraft for XNUMX years.

- and in the news again everyone lies, like little children ...

will put pluses?

[mark1]

Quote: Serg65

will be for this nonsense ...
Quote: mark1
In a TASS report dated November 2.11.20, 4, it was said about 21 aircraft for XNUMX years.
- and in the news again everyone lies, like little children ...
will put pluses?

Whose delirium? - mine or TASS?
I don't need your +, it's just that with such weighty "phi" I would like to get a justification, otherwise there is an ordinary qualitative transition - from rating to ambition.

[Serg65]

Quote: mark1

Whose delirium? - mine or TASS?

Yours of course! What information can TASS give you? Preliminary! Making inferences on preliminary information? Agree, this is nonsense!

[mark1]

Seryozha, in my opinion the delirium comes from you. In your interpretation (to paraphrase)

- the sofa-maker should always know, like no one else, that in our time it is impossible to believe anyone, sometimes even himself. I can

All my conclusions are expressed in the Cord quote and what is wrong here, I do not know.
And the preliminary information from TASS (if it was correct at that time) probably relied on the delivery schedule approved at that time, with a cloud of signatures and seals. And it turns out that our schedules are redone several times a year to fit the current situation.

[Serg65]

Quote: mark1

preliminary information from TASS (if at that time it was correct) surely relied on the delivery schedule approved at that time

The journalists were told only what they were supposed to voice and nothing more!

Quote: mark1

our schedules are reworked several times a year to fit the current situation.

Have you seen these graphs? Are you personally?
Now regarding TASS!
On April 28, 1986, TASS reports ...

An accident occurred at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant. One of the nuclear reactors is damaged. Measures are being taken to eliminate the consequences of the accident. Assistance is provided to the victims. A government commission has been created.

What do you think is true in this message and what is not true?

[mark1]

Quote: Serg65

What do you think is true in this message

And everything is true
And in the TASS report from the 20th year, everything was true, this year 5 (five!) Fighters should have arrived, but (not a fact) there is a high probability that 2 will arrive - the reasons and problems are not known.
And I gave a quote from Cord because of the incorrect submission of information to VO, to Avia.pro, everything is much clearer.

[Serg65]

Quote: mark1

And everything is true

Blessed is he who believes!

[Evil543]

It's time to get used to it

[alexmach]

In a TASS report dated November 2.11.20, 4, it was said about 21 aircraft for XNUMX years.

Well, as if together with the broken one, in 2 years it will turn out in the amount of 4 ...

[figwam]

Quote: mark1

In a TASS report dated November 2.11.20, 4, it was said about 21 aircraft for XNUMX years.

Yes, it was like that, apparently all plans have shifted due to the loss of the aircraft during factory tests.

[URAL72]

First, explain the schedule - what the Su-35 and Su-35S are. In general, the Ministry of Defense itself does not want to take the Su-57 with a first stage engine, besides, modernization is planned.

[figwam]

Quote: URAL72

what is Su-35 and Su-35S

Su-35 export modification, Su-35S for our videoconferencing.

[URAL72]

And who ordered so many exports?

[figwam]

Quote: URAL72

And who ordered so many exports?

At that time Egypt, Algeria, Indonesia

[kutuz]

"This song is good, start over"

[Thrifty]

Why not force the program for the creation of the Su57, and not deliver at least 6 aircraft this year? And, every year to supply 6-8 aircraft of the Su57 type to the Armed Forces of the country?

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Thrifty

why not force the program

Apparently there is not enough strength

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Quote: Thrifty

why not force the program

Apparently there is not enough strength

You're right. Those who have been in uniform all their lives have no idea what production is. They think that a decision has been made to supply the SU-57 to the troops and that's it. Is the plant ready for serial production of a new product? How is the plant with the areas, specialists? After all, the production of the 35s and 30s has not been canceled.

[donavi49]

35-x

The order will fall by 50%. Now, in fact, there is only 1 firm contract for 30+ cars by the year 24. Chinese ends. Indonesia jumped off. There is no officialdom in Egypt. We must wait for the shipment.

That is, from 16-20 they will build 8-10.

30s has not been canceled

Canceled long ago. Su-30M2 from Komsomolsk died a long time ago and will not return production, the assembly line was dismantled there. Irkutsk board was devoured by Komsomolsky despite the difference in price. For one modern MFI 4+, and the other Su-27UB slightly improved, on the same units (ancient airborne radar, engines without OVT, avionics of the Su-27 type).

[alexmach]

Irkutsk board was devoured by Komsomolsky despite the difference in price. For one modern MFI 4+, and the other Su-27UB slightly improved

I hope at least modern Irkutsk and not vice versa?

[svd-xnumx]

Apparently there is not enough strength

Probably, the design included materials and equipment access to which Russia was limited. It is necessary to wait for import substitution to bring the SU-57 and MS-21 into mass production.

[zwlad]

Where is Zin's money? (from)

[Serg65]

Quote: Thrifty

Why not force the program to create the Su57

Why force? Or do we have a five-year plan again in three days, and then we will finish the file with the troops? Whom do you want to deceive?

[EMMM]

Yes, there are simply not enough motors, neither the first nor the second generation.
By the time of the first expedition of aircraft to Syria, the Ukrainians were joking, the Russians had two engines for two vehicles, and these engines were dismantled from the first and on board the submarine were transported to Russia for the second.

[EMMM]

And if someone is interested, try reading the draft: https://cloud.mail.ru/public/kY9Y/eazKUrTvv
I would be glad to receive comments. This is an old version that is constantly in production.
My address is: [email protected]
Yours faithfully,
Eugene

[Jacket in stock]

This unfortunate "promising" aircraft has been tormented for so long that after the delivery of the first copy to the troops, it became necessary to modernize it (as a member of the government spoke about).
So yes, the pace is really impressive. Only they are not encouraging.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Jacket in stock

This unfortunate "promising" aircraft has been tormented for so long that after the delivery of the first copy to the troops, it became necessary to modernize it (as a member of the government spoke about).

It was said that the development of a project for the modernization of the Su-57 had begun.
Started. Development. Modernization project.
Not the first copy, but the programs of the Russian fifth generation fighter Su-57 as a whole.
Are you playing the fool so awkwardly, or have you really not figured out what's the matter?

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Not the first copy, but the programs of the Russian fifth generation fighter Su-57 as a whole.

So I about it.
The program is so delayed that the project requires modernization already at the stage of production of the second serial aircraft.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Jacket in stock

The program is so delayed that the project requires modernization already at the stage of production of the second serial aircraft.

The program does not require immediate modernization, only the development of options has begun, since even in its current form the Su-57 is at least as good as foreign classmates.
The ordered 76 units will be built, and then they will be built taking into account new developments in equipment and weapons.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

The program does not require immediate upgrades

Yes, we do not demand anything immediately.
Tea is not a war and not the Germans near Moscow.
And what about "not worse" how to compare, we do not know their performance characteristics reliably, nor do we tell anyone about ours. Here I purely believe-disbelieve.

[Cosm22]

In its current form, the Su-57 is in fact not available at all in the troops today, the very first instance put into operation crashed. Therefore, all the talk about the pros and cons of the product is a simple talking shop.
As for 76 pieces, it is better to tell this tale about the white bull after the planes are made.
But you shouldn't despair. In our media, even without the only two expected copies this year, the squadrons of paper Su-57s have long since smashed all hundreds of already existing F-35s, F-22s and other foreign classmates.

[Vadim237]

The aircraft are waiting for the tests of the second stage engine to be completed - when the x is completed and launched into series, then there will be mass purchases of the Su 57 - stop your whining.

[kuzimka]

At the end of 4, pilots of 57 serial SU-21s can already be awarded the title of "Pyzhda" Hero of the Russian Federation. They will be able to boldly fight with a hundred of Raptors and seven hundred of Penguins. And that's if the Chinese don't take off in their cars. Really heroes ..... But in the comments they have already defeated everyone. Ameriga trembles .... Biden will ask for peace from Russia ... We ourselves are not ashamed to talk about the Su-57 analogue networks in such a staggering amount in the existing videoconferencing system?

[lucul]

So I about it.
The program is so delayed that the project requires modernization already at the stage of production of the second serial aircraft.

The Su-57 was sharpened for ROFAR, this was supposed to be its main feature.
ROFAR has not yet been adopted, which means that there is no special sense in the mass production of the Su-57.
As for the modernization - modernization towards the Hunter, i.e. control and management of the drone.

[zwlad]

Is it okay that the Yankees began to grind their F-35 in 1996 and did roll it out by 2006 and grind it out by 2012? And they continue to torture to this day eh?

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: zwlad

And nothing is that Yankee

And what do we care about them?
What is more important to us that the neighbor's cow dies, or that one of our own be milked?

[zwlad]

Our developers never dreamed of funding them. Give our developers that kind of money and everything will be much faster with us. Actually, this is how it was in the USSR.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: zwlad

Give our developers that kind of money and we will have everything

If only it were that simple.
Only 9 women will not have a baby in 1 month.
And by the way, under Soviet rule, we also lagged behind them in many ways.

[zwlad]

What have women got to do with it?
You can develop a CD using a calculator and a drawing board, or you can use a modern PC and CAD software. And this is money.
You can use a board with a bunch of transistors and microcircuits, or you can put one LSI or FPGA (not in the name of the case), and this is also money. And so in everything.
By investing money you save time.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: zwlad

You can use a board with a bunch of transistors and microcircuits, or you can put one LSI

Can.
If you have it.
And if not, you have to do it first. And this is not only money, but also time, and, most importantly, the general level of technology development. And it is simply not bought for money, especially when no one is selling, it needs to be developed. And this is money, and time, and people (and this is again money and many times time) and a scientific school (more money and very, very much time).
Life is not a computer game, everything is much sadder here.

[Alexey Stepanov]

To the troops?

How long ago has 929 GLITS become a combat unit?

[Constanty]

is planned to be delivered to the Russian Aerospace Forces two Su-57 fighters.

Outrageously small number.

In my opinion (of a Pole), Russia's military might is the best guarantor of stability in the region. When Russia is dangerous, no one at the Pentagon will think about changes in Europe.

Therefore, I am concerned about the small number of new Su-57s that should be delivered to the troops.

[URAL72]

And who is minus a comrade in the Comintern? In my opinion, he said correctly and sincerely. This is clearly not sarcasm.

[Constanty]

This is not sarcasm. For many reasons, I am very sympathetic to Russia, but the above entry was made out of common sense.
Weakness provokes others to aggression - for example, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan or Syria. "Liberation" for the "defense of democracy" by the United States cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of citizens of these countries.

I do not want Belarus, which is close to me, to be “liberated” in this way, so that my compatriots, but also Russians, had to fight.

To prevent this from happening, Russia must be strong. Therefore, the stronger Russia, the better for everyone.

Si vis pacem para bellum.

[voyaka uh]

Somehow they showed the assembly shop (official shots).
Four fuselages could be distinguished.
But that was almost a year ago.
Did you manage to collect two out of four in a year?

[alexmach]

There, in addition to the serial ones, they also ordered pre-production ones. And when these shots were filmed there, it is not at all clear.

[voyaka uh]

This is a new modern workshop. It was recently built specifically for the assembly of the Su-57.
And it had four fuselages in different stages of assembly for almost a year.
Two of them will be assembled in 2021. Per year.
Reason: most likely, the absence of some key components.
Perhaps AFARov.

[alexmach]

Reason: most likely, the absence of some key components.

A logical assumption. And the initial delivery plan was at first a little, then a normal series, and this may also indicate that something is not yet fully ready.

[Bongo]

Quote: voyaka uh

It was recently built specifically for the assembly of the Su-57.

Alexey, with all due respect, but it is better not to write what you do not know for sure.

[voyaka uh]

On the contrary, I was delighted when they wrote about the new workshop.
Su-57 is a breakthrough product for the Russian aviation industry.
And before that, the assembly was (as they wrote) in the aisle between the two workshops.

[Bongo]

Quote: voyaka uh

On the contrary, I was delighted when they wrote about the new workshop.
Su-57 is a breakthrough product for the Russian aviation industry.
And before that, the assembly was (as they wrote) in the aisle between the two workshops.

Where did this workshop appear?

[minus]

I am wondering how a single-seat aircraft can be a control center for drones? Does the pilot manage several other cars besides his own car? Unclear.....

[Vadim237]

Using an on-board computer with a multichannel communication system and AI elements

[501 Legion]

and Hedgehog is clear that they are not in a hurry with new aircraft until there is a stage 2 engine. But smart guys need EVERYTHING HERE AND NOW

[alexmach]

Well, now, apparently, and from a very unhurried initial plan, they begin to lag behind