Nord Stream 2AG announced gas filling of the first string of Nord Stream 2

Laying of the first string of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline is technically completed, the pipeline sections have been connected. Commissioning work begins on this line. This was reported by the press service of the Nord Stream 2 AG operator.

According to the company, on June 10, 2021, two offshore sections of the gas pipeline were connected from Russia and Germany. Starting from June 11, on the first string, commissioning works on filling the pipeline with gas will begin, which will take "several months".

The offshore section of the first string is technically completed (...) today the overlap has been completed - the offshore sections of the gas pipeline laid by Russia and Germany are interconnected

- the message says. At the same time, the company stressed that the laying of the second string is proceeding according to the schedule in accordance with all available permits.

On June 4, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced the completion of work on the first line during his speech at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF-2021). In response, Ukraine said that the Russian president was bluffing and that it was technologically impossible to finish laying the pipes so quickly. This was stated by the secretary of the National Security and Defense Council Alexei Danilov.

At the same time, the United States acknowledged that they could not prevent the completion of the gas pipeline's construction, and promised Ukraine to compensate for the transfer losses due to the launch of Nord Stream 2.

Comments

[Avior]

It seems that the Americans and the Germans have found a compromise.
The Americans are not hindering the launch of SP2 more than they already have; in return, the Germans are demanding that transit through Ukraine be preserved.

[NKT]

And transit conservation and LNG construction

[Shurik70]

But, as always, Russia is to blame ...

[loki565]

It seems that the Americans and the Germans have found a compromise.
The Americans do not interfere with the launch of SP2 more than they already have; in return, the Germans put forward the requirement to preserve transit through Ukraine

.
The question is about the amount of gas in this transit, you can leave a minimum for a formality. Why should Europe pay more for gas, taking into account the transit countries.

[Avior]

Shipping costs are the responsibility of the seller

[loki565]

Shipping costs are the responsibility of the seller

And it is included in the estimated cost of gas sales. Even in Germany it was considered that gas without intermediaries would be cheaper.

[Avior]

are not included, the contract sales price is calculated without reference to the transit cost and may float, but the transit cost is unchanged and does not depend on the formula for calculating the cost of gas.
The cost on the spot market does not depend on transit at all; the main thing there is the ratio of supply and demand.

[Vasia]

the contract sales price is calculated without reference to the transit cost and can float, but the transit cost is unchanged and does not depend on the formula for calculating the gas cost.

Where are you recruiting such?) Well, at least include elementary logic, if there is no understanding of the basic concepts of economic theory - cost, profitability ... Taking into account, of course, the factors of economic policy, but their influence in this situation is mostly leveled.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

I don’t know what the reason is, I haven’t read it anywhere yet, but Fortuna, it seems, changed Chersky yesterday and started laying the second line south of Bornholm! "Chersky" is located a little lower, and all service ships are around.

[Vasia]

Let's hope for a successful completion of the construction. Happy Holidays!

[tralflot1832]

And you know that 70% of gas supplies by Gazprom are paid for at the price on the spot market. And it is so funny, how much money the pipe to the fence is now free of charge, I have minus 500 rubles off my shoulders.

[not main]

Quote: tralflot1832

And you know that 70% of gas supplies by Gazprom are paid for at the price on the spot market. And it is so funny, how much money the pipe to the fence is now free of charge, I have minus 500 rubles off my shoulders.

I'm happy for you! I use firewood, even so gas "does not threaten me", but seriously, your 500000 rubles, for Gazprom as "begging for trifles under the store"!

[Brturin]

Quote: Avior

Shipping costs are the responsibility of the seller

Only the transit country cannot set the tariff "from the bulldozer".

[Avior]

can not.
Only now, a decrease in transit volumes automatically leads to an increase in the cost of the transit tariff, any proceedings in arbitration will confirm this.

[Brturin]

But in this contract, the tariff is for the entire period, but when there is a new one, there will be bargaining ...

[Avior]

exactly.
only the last word will be for the Germans - they will still support a really fair break-even price for transit through Ukraine ..

[CommanderDIVA]

The Germans and Russia have more commercial and political mutual interest than Ukraine and Germany, the contract will end in December 2024 and your freebie will end

[Avior]

You are right, Germany is more economically interested in Russia than Ukraine.
But not enough to start an open quarrel over this with the Americans.

[poquello]

Quote: Avior

You are right, Germany is more economically interested in Russia than Ukraine.
But not enough to start an open quarrel over this with the Americans.

why would? Germany was ready to start this fight, even changed? ))))))))))))))

[Avior]

start on your own initiative, not ready.
therefore insists on maintaining transit through Ukraine.
The Americans are also not ready to start this quarrel, but the Germans are satisfied with their decision.

[poquello]

Quote: Avior

start on your own initiative, not ready.
therefore insists on maintaining transit through Ukraine.
The Americans are also not ready to start this quarrel, but the Germans are satisfied with their decision.

in short money you will receive from the USA, probably

[CommanderDIVA]

You draw such conclusions very early, the world is multifaceted, we will wait for the end of 2024, your beloved Americans may change the president during this time, look at Biden's grandfather, German business and their banks are the locomotive of the European Union, they have long been cramped in American conditions. sanctions against Russia, in any case, there will be no such contract for gas pumping, as Ukraine used to have after 2024, your GTS has long been not on the primary role in the transit of Russian gas, and with the launch of sp2 at full capacity, the value of the Ukrainian GTS will drop to the regional gas distribution level within your country

[Fedor M]

What costs are you talking about?

[Cananecat]

Quote: loki565

The question is about the amount of gas in this transit, you can leave the minimum for formality

If we recall the economy, then with a decrease in transit, the price increases, all other things being equal.

[loki565]

If we recall the economy, then with a decrease in transit, the price increases, all other things being equal.

Already now they are pumping much less, and in the future it is possible to stop altogether, referring to the technical condition of the gas pipeline, leaks, theft, etc.)))

[Sergey Sfiedu]

You can't. According to the contract, we pay according to the "download or pay" principle. We can pump less than the agreed volume - but we will pay the same amount anyway .. We can pump more - then, however, we will pay more. And the terms of the new treaty are unlikely to be softer in three years - the Germans are behind the "brothers" from Ukraine ..

[Avior]

exactly.
And the Americans are putting pressure on the Germans, and the Germans do not want to aggravate, defending the profits or losses of Gazprom.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Sergey Sfyedu

And the terms of the new treaty are unlikely to be softer in three years - the Germans are behind the "brothers" from Ukraine ..

There will be no new contract. IMHO. At least on such terms. There are no Germans as "non-brothers". Striped ears are standing. They moved and are moving it, like a battering ram, towards Russia. Broken off - immediately thrown off, as used ...

[Maikcg]

You can pay and not upgrade.
The spot price will burst into the skies (this will discourage transit costs), and the UGTS and most of the entire gas system of Ukraine, the pressure in which is kept on the transit one, will burst to the bottom with subsequent disposal by the hands of enterprising miners of native pipeline iron.

[Avior]

Fiction! How did you not think of it before?
If you do not download what is under the contract, you will have to pay a forfeit.
Probably why?
And the spot market is for everyone. With a rise in prices, they will start selling stocks in storage facilities, whoever has them and will carry liquefied gas, and some kind of antitrust investigation or whatever.
The result is that everyone will profit from this, you will lose.

[carstorm 11]

Finish this circus ah? There is a clear economic rule - profitability. Everything comes from him. A pipeline with a throughput of 150 cannot be cost-effective by pumping 40. You are wasting this money. And you have to invest in the GTS. It is for this reason that the clown wants to give it. It is destroyed. 30 years of bucking the dough. Fucking 30 years old. Not a country. A vampire.

[Maikcg]

1. The gas contract will not be violated when using SP2, the required minimum can be pumped through it. For this and SP1 is enough.
2. Under the "download or pay" transit contract, everything is clear under this condition.
3. The storages are empty, and the pumping for the winter is already a month behind. There is no excess gas.
4. LNG will be transported to Asia as before, where the price is even higher. There is no excess gas.
5. The spot market is for everyone. Therefore, anyone can supply, or most importantly, not supply. They have been there for so long with ideas of diversification that few have long-term contracts left. According to rumors, Gazprom is pushing 70% on the spot, which it took advantage of by equipping the storage facilities in the spring.
6. Putin is too kind, after all, he has not forgotten about the "fraternal" peoples, despite the 30 years of capitalism. This is what prevents the Ukraine project from being "turned off" with numerous incidental victims. But it goes to this, the frog is slowly boiled, preparing to live on their own means.

[ccsr]

Quote: Avior

If you do not download what is under the contract, you will have to pay a forfeit.
Probably why?

You think so much that you still do not understand that it is more profitable for Gazprom to pay a penalty for the unpumped volume than to pay you transit money, because pumping large volumes of gas through the SP-2 will give such a profit that Ukrainian freeloaders can pay all the remaining years forfeit.

Quote: Avior

The result is that everyone will profit from this, you will lose.

This dream of yours will not come true - Gazprom analysts have already calculated that it is cheaper for you to pay a penalty for 40 billion cubic meters, and at the same time load the SP-2 completely, because the received profit and savings on transit exceed the amount of the penalty.
You seem to be still in the astral plane, your dreams are like those of elves, unrealizable ...

[Avior]

You think so much that you have not yet understood that it is more profitable for Gazprom to pay a penalty for the unpumped volume than to pay you transit money

there is no forfeit. Gazprom pays for the transit of the agreed volume of gas at a pre-agreed tariff, and then it may at least not pump at all - it is more profitable for the Ukrainian GTS, there will be no costs for the transportation and operation of gas pumping stations.

savings on transit exceed the amount of the forfeit.

there is no savings, you still pay exactly the same amount, if you do not download.

[Sergey Sfiedu]

pumping large gas volumes through SP-2

SP-2 has already been removed from the European energy charter?

[ccsr]

Quote: Sergey Sfyedu

SP-2 has already been removed from the European energy charter?

It has not been completed yet, but when they finish the job, then we'll see how the Germans wipe themselves off with the charter, if only a long cold winter comes.

[Sergey Sfiedu]

Well, when they will be taken out, and when we conclude a transit agreement without onerous payments to the "independent brothers", then we will shout "Victory". Even in Germany itself, the opposition to SP-2 is great, so nothing is a foregone conclusion. As for me, the money invested in SP-2 and other flows should have been invested in high-tech production. And Taiwan, South Korea and China started from much worse positions, and long ago they overtook us precisely in production, and we all fatten up on our subsoil, and shout about import substitution. Yes, if the West abandon our raw materials (a completely non-zero option), our economy will fail without any war.

[ccsr]

Quote: Sergey Sfyedu

Well, when they will be taken out, and when we conclude a transit agreement without onerous payments to the "independent brothers", then we will shout "Victory".

The agreement has already been concluded and we are carrying it out, and without any onerous conditions - where did you get such an idea of ​​how things stand with it? Or do you think that the remaining 3,5 years will continue for another twenty years? Do not make me laugh. The contract will be extended only in one case - if the bids for gas supplies to Europe significantly exceed what we can drive through the offshore pipelines. But in reality, gas will be passed through Ukraine, but not at 40 billion, and as Putin said, they will receive their $ 1,5 billion for transit in order to keep the pipeline in working order. I think this is a smart decision, Gazprom rules the situation.

Quote: Sergey Sfyedu

As for me, the money invested in SP-2 and other flows should have been invested in high-tech production.

The story with the pipeline just showed that we would not be allowed to sell high-tech products on the world market, but gas is always in demand, even if sanctions are imposed ..

Quote: Sergey Sfyedu

and we are all fattening on our bowels, and screaming about import substitution.

The Americans do not hesitate to trade in liquefied gas - does it mean they are lagging behind Taiwan?

Quote: Sergey Sfyedu

Yes, if the West abandon our raw materials (a completely non-zero option), our economy will fail without any war.

Your dreams are not entirely adequate in the situation with buyers from Asia - gas is even more expensive there. So our economy will flourish - have you heard anything about the commissioning of the Amur plant?

[loki565]

You can't. According to the contract, we pay according to the "download or pay" principle. We can pump less than the agreed volume - but we will pay the same amount anyway .. We can pump more - then, however, we will pay more. And the terms of the new treaty are unlikely to be softer in three years - the Germans are behind the "brothers" from Ukraine ..

What are the contracts and agreements in the modern world? And that's all, but there will always be a reason for it.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Canecat

Quote: loki565

The question is about the amount of gas in this transit, you can leave the minimum for formality

If we recall the economy, then with a decrease in transit, the price increases, all other things being equal.

Uryakalka - this moment is absolutely not clear ...
mathematics for them is not the basis for brain activity (after all, this is not a training manual)

[Dart2027]

Quote: SovAr238A

it's not a training manual

The adherent of the training manual of the all-fledged man said.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Dart2027

Quote: SovAr238A

it's not a training manual

The adherent of the training manual of the all-fledged man said.

I, unlike you, indirectly, am engaged in the maintenance and replacement of pipes of Transneft and Gazprom in the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug ...
And I perfectly understand the costs for this event.
And if you are smart enough to look at my posts for the last 5 years, you will see it.
But you are not aware of this.

You are clearly not in the subject.
And I'll tell you, replacing one kilometer of a pipe costs about 1 billion rubles.
And the pipe wears out according to the period, and not according to the number of pumping.
maybe apologize now before. who knows more about the pipe than the "all-propalschik" ???
Otherwise, I will consider you just a dull degenerate ...

[Vasia]

I, unlike you, indirectly, am engaged in the maintenance and replacement of pipes of Transneft and Gazprom in the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug ...
And I perfectly understand the costs for this event.
And if you are smart enough to look at my posts for the last 5 years, you will see it.
But you are not aware of this.

You are clearly not in the subject.
And I'll tell you, replacing one kilometer of a pipe costs about 1 billion rubles.

Tell me where the pipes are being changed in kilometers, especially the main ones - you are talking about them, did I understand correctly? Not about inter-settlement and street urban settlements, I hope you are talking.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Vasia

I, unlike you, indirectly, am engaged in the maintenance and replacement of pipes of Transneft and Gazprom in the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug ...
And I perfectly understand the costs for this event.
And if you are smart enough to look at my posts for the last 5 years, you will see it.
But you are not aware of this.

You are clearly not in the subject.
And I'll tell you, replacing one kilometer of a pipe costs about 1 billion rubles.

Tell me where the pipes are being changed in kilometers, especially the main ones - you are talking about them, did I understand correctly? Not about inter-settlement and street urban settlements, I hope you are talking.

They change in the vicinity of Surgut.
For example.
For several years now.

You know what an organization called OP Transneft-Nadzor, Construction Control Department (USK) is ...
Look at what facilities this company operates at.
What tenders does it place ...
Well, to understand what I'm talking about.
And not about your assumption about the settlement pipes ...
I saw with my own eyes how the trumpet player Komatsu, worth several million dollars, falls through and drowns from the bed, when he goes 12 meters in 12 hours ...
And it cannot be saved ...
How do excavators work on nets.
It is seen and understood by those who were alive there ...
Not theorists ..

[Vasia]

You know what an organization called OP Transneft-Nadzor, Construction Control Department (USK) is ...
Look at what facilities this company operates at.
What tenders does it place ...
Well, to understand what I'm talking about.
And not about your assumption about the settlement pipes ...
I saw with my own eyes how the trumpet player Komatsu, worth several million dollars, falls through and drowns from the bed, when he goes 12 meters in 12 hours ...
And it cannot be saved ...
How do excavators work on nets.
It is seen and understood by those who were alive there ...
Not theorists ..

My good advice to you - never write about what you have no idea about. We looked at the information on the network, we could not understand - there is not enough knowledge, of course. I will tell you a secret that even replacing a section of low or medium pressure g / c is a huge scandal, not to mention the main ones with their productivity, i.e. The GRO or LPUMG has not been doing anything for many years, which in principle is almost impossible, given the degree of control and supervision (internal five-stage and federal). Gas pipelines are not changed, they are monitored and, if necessary, repaired. Diagnostics are carried out (and there are a large number of methods for its implementation), damage is identified and eliminated. How do you imagine the replacement of kilometers of pipes on the main gas-oil pipeline, which is tied to the supply of regions, countries, .. You are referring to tenders, but I'm more used to the technical part. Read here if you are interested in the industry standard: there you will see a lot - and about electrometric, radiographic, aerospace survey methods, VTD, smart inserts, ultrasonic systems, string sensors, etc. in VAT areas (do not confuse - this is not a tax), photographic , including multi-zone, non-photographic (thermal infrared, microwave, scanner, television, laser, radar surveys), aerovisual survey and much more. You are also far from the operation of any fuel lines, as I am from understanding the device of a thermonuclear reactor, although in principle everything is clear - plasma is in a magnetic field, but there are nuances).
Sorry, here's the link:
https://gosthelp.ru/text/STOGazprom2230952007Metod.html

[lucul]

I, unlike you, indirectly, am engaged in the maintenance and replacement of pipes of Transneft and Gazprom in the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug ...

Another Crimean woman, daughter of an officer))))

You are clearly not in the subject.
And I'll tell you, replacing one kilometer of a pipe costs about 1 billion rubles.

But you are clearly in the subject, and want to say that Russia spent 4 trillion rubles on the construction of the Power of Siberia gas pipeline with a length of 000 km. rubles? )))
Yes ? ))))

[SovAr238A]

Quote: lucul

I, unlike you, indirectly, am engaged in the maintenance and replacement of pipes of Transneft and Gazprom in the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug ...

Another Crimean woman, daughter of an officer))))

You are clearly not in the subject.
And I'll tell you, replacing one kilometer of a pipe costs about 1 billion rubles.

But you are clearly in the subject, and want to say that Russia spent 4 trillion rubles on the construction of the Power of Siberia gas pipeline with a length of 000 km. rubles? )))
Yes ? ))))

First of all.
I always wrote where I live, what areas I worked in before and how I work now.
All this can be seen in my posts.
I am a living person.
Unlike you, the paid bot.

Secondly .
Have you ever been to KhMAO?
Where there is soil, there is a city or a village.
Everything else is swamps.
Map, at least once look at the map !!!
How much do you think the costs of working in the swamps differ?
Do you know what a lodge is?
Do you know that on a pipe in a swamp, you need to hang 20 two-cubic sandbags every 2 meters, otherwise the pipe "floats" ...
That the roads are covered with sand.
They are poured so that the swamp would take as much as it can take.
And the sand is transported, including for 100-150 kilometers. And poured and poured. And the swamp takes and takes. And one meter of the road can take up to 50 dump trucks.
Do you know this?
Or again, a paid bot, will you write about the officer's daughter?
Do you know how the old pipe is removed? What preparatory work is being done?
What are the costs for the dismantling of the pipe and its removal?
How much equipment is used and how much equipment is irretrievably destroyed?
How many new equipment do you need to install according to the new requirements?
This at least doubles the cost of the pipe.
The power of Siberia in swamp-free areas cost 370 million per kilometer at 2011 rates.
Remember the prices for metal and fuel in those years?
Have you watched inflation, rising prices for metal and fuel?
Have you ever watched the tenders at the GPB site?
In fact, in fact, the costs were in the region of 600 million per kilometer.
In hard soils. Installation only.

And what to do with what is in real places of real production?
Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug and Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous District?
Where are some swamps?
I have no right to publish working photos.
But at the Punga-Yugorsk distance, the gas pipe was thrown out by the swamp. There the road to Punga does not exist in fact. This is a construction dump road, which is washed out many times during the season.
And I went there.
For in Punga, Subpolyarny - the machines are working.
Go on, about the officer's daughter

[lucul]

Go on, about the officer's daughter

Blah blah blah .....
Your words that 1 km of pipe costs 1 billion. rubles? Yours.
4 km of the Power of Siberia cost 000 trillion rubles, for absolutely no infrastructure, virgin forests, everything had to be created from scratch. The transport shoulder to any point (base) is incredible. As a result, -1 km of pipe cost 1 million rubles.
And you have 5 times more.
And by the way, so what about the 10-year contract for pumping gas through Ukraine, will there be proofs? )))

[Dart2027]

Quote: SovAr238A

And I'll tell you, replacing one kilometer of a pipe costs about 1 billion rubles.

Truth? So tell me, "respected specialist", how much time has passed since the laying of pipes through the territory of Ukraine, how long will they still be able to serve (the pipe wears out on time) and what shisha they will be replaced with (replacing one kilometer of the pipe costs a strand of 1 billion rubles)?
You don't have to apologize, your IQ is your problem.

[loki565]

Uryakalka - this moment is absolutely not clear ...
mathematics for them is not the basis for brain activity (after all, this is not a training manual)

It’s just for the horses and all-footed people it’s not clear, they write manuals, at best, the Poles write, or even farther away)))

[SovAr238A]

Quote: loki565

Uryakalka - this moment is absolutely not clear ...
mathematics for them is not the basis for brain activity (after all, this is not a training manual)

It’s just for the horses and all-footed people it’s not clear, they write manuals, at best, the Poles write, or even farther away)))

and I'll write you the same ...
I, unlike you, indirectly, am engaged in the maintenance and replacement of pipes of Transneft and Gazprom in the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug ...
And I perfectly understand the costs for this event.
And if you are smart enough to look at my posts for the last 5 years, you will see it.
But you are not aware of this.

You are clearly not in the subject.
And I'll tell you, replacing one kilometer of a pipe costs about 1 billion rubles.
And the pipe wears out according to the period, and not according to the number of pumping.
maybe apologize now before. who knows more about the pipe than the "all-propalschik" ???
Otherwise, I will consider you just a dull degenerate ...

[loki565]

and I'll write you the same ...
I, unlike you, indirectly, am engaged in the maintenance and replacement of pipes of Transneft and Gazprom in the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug ...
And I perfectly understand the costs for this event.
And if you are smart enough to look at my posts for the last 5 years, you will see it.
But you are not aware of this.
You are clearly not in the subject.
And I'll tell you, replacing one kilometer of a pipe costs about 1 billion rubles.
And the pipe wears out according to the period, and not according to the number of pumping.
maybe apologize now before. who knows more about the pipe than the "all-propalschik" ???
Otherwise, I will consider you just a dull degenerate ...

Do you know narrow-minded people, they unfortunately meet in any area))) And where does the service life? who talked about it? or do you ask the question yourself and answer it yourself?)))

[SovAr238A]

Quote: loki565

Do you know narrow-minded people, they unfortunately meet in any area))) And where does the service life? who talked about it? or do you ask the question yourself and answer it yourself?)))

T..e did not merge loki565 ???
I'm working on the pipe.
I know. how and when the pipe changes.
And how much does it cost to replace the pipe.

And for such uryakalok - my knowledge is not important ...
They just need to throw their cap into the air and fool Urk4ain ...

And the real question about the cost of maintaining the pipe is not important to them ...

they do not have enough brain to think a little further THAN AGITKA!

[ANB]

... the price increases, all other things being equal.

Not the price, but the cost.

[Silver bullet]

Somewhere the pianist was sad (not a sucker at 42), and Petrukha Lyakseich thumped with rage. The Germans ask Zelebobik: "How will a lip-forming machine be on the capelin, together or separately?" And we buy popcorn and watch fireworks from the flaming entrances of the military retinue in the night sky.

[Aleksandre]

Quote: Silver bullet

How will the capelin be equipped with a lip-sewing machine, together or separately?

Lippenaufrollenmaschine. Here, the Germans always have everything together, they save spaces so that you can utter hell.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: loki565

It seems that the Americans and the Germans have found a compromise.
The Americans do not interfere with the launch of SP2 more than they already have; in return, the Germans put forward the requirement to preserve transit through Ukraine

.
The question is about the amount of gas in this transit, you can leave a minimum for a formality. Why should Europe pay more for gas, taking into account the transit countries.

Europe has one tsega.
Prisoner for 10 years ahead ...
they won't overpay anything.

[alexmach]

There is a definite need for both additional capacities and a backup channel.

[antivirus]

First, special forces and a "group of political scientists" will ride a buggy down the pipe to support the Merkel party in September.
then the gas.

[kventinasd]

Quote: Avior

in return, the Germans put forward a demand to preserve transit through Ukraine.

Well, after the age of 25, they will keep 10-15 billion m³ in transit for Slovakia, so that later the Ukrainians can buy European gas from them.
And in fact, with such volumes, the Ukrainian GTS is doomed to complete utilization.

[Avior]

Yes, I think it will actually be 15, but the contract will be with a margin of 25-30

[hrych]

The fixed volume of pumping simply will not be in the contract unambiguously. Why do we need it? Moreover, towards the end of the contract, i.e. 2024 inclusive, a couple more branches of the Turkish Stream-2 will be forwarded, this is still a capacity of 32 billion cubic meters per year. Therefore, if you keep the Polish transit, then ukratransit will have ... absolute zero Unless, of course, the volumes of gas purchases by the EU countries increase.

[Avior]

Take it or pay. And the linking of transit via SP2.
The Germans have been talking about this directly for a long time, as a settled issue.
This is their compromise with the Americans.
And I agree with you - it is not profitable for Gazprom.
But the Germans will not agree to other conditions - for them it will be a conflict with the Americans on their initiative.
The Americans, on the other hand, if the Germans themselves get involved in the conflict, will impose sanctions on the buyers.

[hrych]

Firstly, the contract between the gas companies of Germany and the Russian Federation will not provide for any rubbish, the companies need to pay off the construction. They don't care about politics. They have already sent the Americans, through the mouth of the chancellor. They have already built German gas pipelines for the continuation of SP-1/2. Do they need to work half-heartedly? Secondly, by the end of 2024, I hardly believe in the existence of the regime in Ukraine and, in general, in the preservation of this non-statehood. In 2020, the transit of Russian gas through the GTS of Ukraine amounted to only 55,8 billion cubic meters. This is the power of SP-2 Okay, 40 so far have to download, Then you have to wet the Polish transit, the Poles themselves insisted on a stupid contract 90% annual auction, and 10% monthly tampons. So let them gnaw each other. Well, Avakov did not just sing about the explosion of ukrotrub. I guessed something

[Avior]

Firstly, the contract between the gas companies of Germany and the Russian Federation will not provide for any rubbish

You just don't know. The opposite is true.
Germany unambiguously and firmly insists on maintaining transit through Ukraine even after the launch of SP2.

BERLIN, June 6. / TASS /. Gas transit through Ukraine should be preserved after the launch of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline; this is of central importance to the FRG government. This was stated by the spokesman for the German Cabinet of Ministers Steffen Seibert in a commentary published on Sunday for the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung newspaper.

BERLIN, June 9. / TASS /. The German authorities will "at all levels" talk to Russia about the need to preserve gas transit through Ukraine even after the start of operation of Nord Stream 2. This was stated on Wednesday by German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas at a press conference following talks with his Ukrainian counterpart Dmitry Kuleba.
"Chancellor [Angela Merkel] has made it clear to President [Vladimir] Putin for years that the Nord Stream 2 project is linked to the continued transit of gas through Ukraine," he said. "We, as the government of Germany, will make it clear at all levels to the Russian side regarding Nord Stream 2. Nothing will change in this," Maas said.

Earlier, the head of the German Foreign Ministry, answering the questions of German parliamentarians in the Bundestag, stressed that the continuation of gas transit through Ukraine is for Angela Merkel "a condition for the continuation of the Nord Stream 2 project." the prospect was delivered through Ukraine ".

[hrych]

First, until the end of 2024, and so, transit will remain at a minimum of 40 billion per year. Those. a tricky promise that is already fulfilled. And after 24, the chancellor will change, and Biden is either in alignment or feet first, also with Ukraine is not clear. When there was a threat of the NATO base under construction in Crimea, Crimea changed its owner. Putin's statement that we will not tolerate missiles in Ukraine says that they are unlikely to come to their senses and there will be a coercive operation. But in 2015, the wise Germans before SP-2 monitored the Ukrainian GTS and it is 85% depreciated, to maintain the whole, including Ukrainian consumers, an investment of $ 1 billion is required per year, this is when there is no 85% depreciation. Saves that it works at a quarter or a third of the power. Those. by 2025, the wear will reach 100% and cascade accidents will begin and already a quarter of the capacity will not save. There is joy - Holland will soon complete production and only Gazprom can replace it. Here is the question of what to do with SP-3, or delay Yamal-Europe-2, make TP-2/3/4, or in fact restore the Ukrainian GTS almost from scratch. The last option is the most lousy, messing with old stuff, corruption and unstable statehood. In principle, the insider says that the cessation of Dutch production is a harbinger of the division of Ukraine. Rather, exactly the opposite, the partition of Ukraine is a harbinger of the end of this production. Holland began to be in trust, and it is below sea level. Therefore, the Great Gas War is over, but everything is just beginning. This is where the relationship between the EU, the US and the Russian Federation brings together the new Potsdam. They tried to make a coup and an invasion of White Russia, with a blow to the Donbass, but ... it went wrong. In addition to determination, our accomplishments in weapons have played a decisive role. Now they will divide the world. First, they will probably divide Ukraine. Further, amazing things will gradually begin that no one expects.

[ANB]

... The opposite is true.
Germany unambiguously and firmly insists on maintaining transit through Ukraine even after the launch of SP2.

Have the volumes been announced?

[alexmach]

Commissioning of SP-2 this year, and when will the next negotiations with Ukraine on the transit future? In 2024? in 2 years, or all of these forks on the water, the written promises will be forgotten and nullified, or there will be a real need for small additional Ukrainian capacities.

[Okolotochny]

Take it or pay.

There is already a judicial precedent for Stockholm. Remember the past disputes between Gazprom and Ukraine? At that time, Ukraine did not take gas according to this formula. Stockholm supported her. Themselves at one time created a precedent. So Gazprom has reason not to pay according to this formula and to file a lawsuit.

[rocket757]

Their GTS without capital investments, repairs and so soon will be covered with a copper basin.
In what year it was checked, at 15 or 18, their forecast is not comforting, 80% wear and tear, this is serious!

[ccsr]

Quote: kventinasd

And in fact, with such volumes, the Ukrainian GTS is doomed to complete utilization.

I think Gazprom thinks in other categories, and if they have a strategic plan to become the main gas supplier in Europe, then they will have to pump part of the gas through Ukraine so that their gas pipeline is at least kept in working order through transit. Now no one knows how much gas demand in Europe will increase, if only because due to the widespread production of electric vehicles, large capacity of power plants will be required, and they will run on gas. the changing climate can also be remembered, but in summer air conditioners consume a lot of energy. The European Union has already rolled out an ultimatum to Poland about their coal plants, and I think this is just the beginning. The Netherlands is cutting gas production in half, they said. So, for 20-30 years ahead, Gazprom will provide itself with supplies - the question is how much demand will increase and whether it will be able to supply new volumes.

[poquello]

Quote: Avior

in return, the Germans put forward a demand to preserve transit through Ukraine.

they can exhibit anything)

[Silver bullet]

This photo is famous. Fart hole M. Gaidar after meeting with the former governor of Odessa Mikail Nikolozovich Khokhloebidze

[Thrifty]

Uk-Roina is simply obliged to impose sanctions against the United States for deception! Russia has extended a pipe, which means that a pipe will soon come to the Ukrainian pipe ! It's Kashmare, Kashmare

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Avior

It seems that the Americans and the Germans have found a compromise.
The Americans are not hindering the launch of SP2 more than they already have; in return, the Germans are demanding that transit through Ukraine be preserved.

I don’t know why the Fools (for the editorial board, this is a medical term and not a value judgment and therefore it is unacceptable to delete) you minus, but in fact it is ...
In fact, no more than 2 billion cubic meters of gas will be pumped through two SP-24 pipes.
And the fact is that the work of SP-2 is tied to 4 40 billion cubic meters in Ukraine.

And if we take into account Blinken's requirements that there will be sanctions against insurers and other counterparties, SP-2, it may turn out that SP-2 will not start ...
The builders and operators of the SP-2 themselves are not given sanctions, but they are given to support ...
And you will not start in the end ...

[Finches]

Every true Svidomo Ukrainian must make himself a traditional Japanese hara-kiri! After all, everyone knows that the Japanese, however, like other ethnic groups, descended from the ancient ukrov!

[Marachuh]

It's time to darn the Ukrainian pipe, but there is no money. Without Russian gas, they will be taken away for scrap or rotted away. There is also an option to fill with fart gas, this good is in abundance in Ukraine.

[lucul]

It seems that the Americans and the Germans have found a compromise.
The Americans are not hindering the launch of SP2 more than they already have; in return, the Germans are demanding that transit through Ukraine be preserved.

Pfffff))))
Gas storages in / in Ukraine are 20% of gas storages in all of Europe, so they will not completely stop transit, 4 years 40 billion cubic meters each, and then less to maintain pressure in the pipe)))

[CommanderDIVA]

Let's wait until December 2024, until which the contract for pumping gas through Ukraine is valid, most likely your Ukrainian gas station will have to be sold to the European Union, this will be the main condition for pumping Russian gas through your territory

[rocket757]

No one will take it without major repairs ...
Can you believe that the local zhl / O / would be spent on repairs?

[Klingon]

In return, the Germans do not impose sanctions on the striped ones, believe me there is something to click on

[rocket757]

Preservation of transit, i.e. everything is according to the concluded contract, it is logical, from many points of view .... we like it or not. It is not comme il faut to feed the possessed neighbors, but, even according to technical calculations, in the next couple or three years, the needs of our gas, by the Geyropeans, will only increase and cover these needs, only the northern streams 1, 2 CANNOT? We'll have to, in part, drive gas along the old route.
If anyone is interested, listen to Martsinkevich. There are real data, calculations and clear forecasts for the future.
Why wonder when you can find out?

[uav80]

Because of NS2 in the span, we end up with Poland with its short-term contracts at market prices and a transit price tag.

[hrych]

Peremoga and zrada are combined in overdrive The letter Ze is traditionally interchangeable with the letter Se.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: hrych

Peremoga and zrada are combined in overdrive The letter Ze is traditionally interchangeable with the letter Se.

40 billion cubic meters will continue to flow for the next 10 years ...

[hrych]

Until 2024 inclusive. But Gazprom pumps more through Ukraine. And it is the Poles who are in sorrow. Now they will gnaw each other for transit. There is no fixed figure for Poland at all and may be zero. The Russian Federation pledges 40 billion a year, but if the uratransit gas pipeline is not blown up, as Avakov sang about. There is also the Turkish Stream.

[lucul]

40 billion cubic meters will continue to flow for the next 10 years ...

Proof about 10 years of the contract, if the contract is concluded only until the end of 2024? ))))

[Xlor]

The occupant gas will no longer pass through the territory of Independence!
Glory to Ukraine!
Jump-jump, jump-jump

[Luminman]

3 billion dollars have already jumped! We must jump even more!

[Victor_B]

Quote: Xlor

Glory to Ukraine!

Heroam sala!
Just download it quickly!
You will get warm.
At the same time you will work up your appetite.
$ 3 * 10 ^ 9!

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Xlor

The occupant gas will no longer pass through the territory of Independence!
Glory to Ukraine!
Jump-jump, jump-jump

40 billion cubic meters will continue to flow for the next 10 years ...

They didn't really lose anything ...
from 55 to 40 ...

They will always receive 3-5 billion dollars ...

And you, continue to carry nonsense, which is in no way connected with reality ...

[Brturin]

Quote: SovAr238A

They will always receive 3-5 billion dollars ...

This is for what period ...
"For 2020, Gazprom fully paid for the annual capacity of the Ukrainian gas transmission system (GTS) for gas transportation. Under the agreement dated December 31.12.2019, 65 between Naftogaz and Gazprom, the cost of booking 2,1 billion cubic meters of annual capacity is $ 10458489 billion." - "Naftogaz of Ukraine" https://tass.ru/ekonomika/XNUMX
But at the same time ...
The Ukrainian GTS is a very complex, powerful and unique infrastructure that requires significant funds for daily operation. Approximately $ 1 billion a year, ”- General Director of Operator GTS Makogon.
They got it, but ... in the minibus, the driver collects a fee, but he doesn't get it all the same - gasoline, oil, tires ... so here too .... This year is less, and the tariff is prescribed to the contract for the whole term ....

[SovAr238A]

Quote: BrTurin

They got it, but ... in the minibus, the driver collects a fee, but he doesn't get it all the same - gasoline, oil, tires ... so here too .... This year is less, and the tariff is prescribed to the contract for the whole term ....

The pumping documentation does not take into account the volumes of gas storage facilities. which are ordered by the supplier ... And are taken into account only at the end of the season.

[Brturin]

Quote: SovAr238A

which are ordered by the supplier

In the last five lei, Gazprom has not used Ukrainian UGS facilities, the Europeans have been pumping, if there is data on Gazprom ...

[SovAr238A]

Quote: BrTurin

Quote: SovAr238A

which are ordered by the supplier

In the last five lei, Gazprom has not used Ukrainian UGS facilities, the Europeans have been pumping, if there is data on Gazprom ...

Maybe you shouldn't lie?
The volume of natural gas injected into UGS facilities in Ukraine for 8 months of 2020 is 13,3 billion m3, which is 9% more than in 2019.

[Brturin]

The general figures are one thing .... I repeat the question - how much of this injection was pumped by Gazprom, not the gas of Naftogaz, or the Europeans (for the heating season, European traders pumped 10 billion cubic meters into Ukrainian storage facilities), namely Gazprom ...

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: BrTurin

I repeat the question - how much of this injection was pumped by Gazprom

[Avior]

in fact, the Ukrainian GTS simultaneously performs the functions of an internal distribution network, so part of the maintenance is paid for by internal gas consumers.

[Brturin]

Quote: Avior

therefore, part of the upkeep is paid for by domestic gas consumers.

the debt of regional gas companies is UAH 10 billion, and this is the biggest risk for us- Makagon
https://neftegaz.ru/news/transport-and-storage/683771-s-makagon-o-perspektivakh-gazotransportnogo-sotrudnichestva-s-vlastyami-rossii/
And then how to count - Ukraine's direct benefit from fulfilling the provisions of the gas transit contract with Russia in 2020 amounted to $ 0,5 billion, according to the Ukrainian National Bank.
https://regnum.ru/news/economy/3252091.html

[Avior]

with this debt, nothing prevents you from working
As for the benefit, there is a direct one, and there is an indirect one, which consists in the fact that part of the maintenance of the GTS is transferred to Gazprom, which allows it to work even with the debts of private regional gas companies. They will not go anywhere, sooner or later they will pay, or they will go under the hammer at the auction.
If you read carefully there, it is precisely about cutting off the appetites of regional gas companies in favor of the GTS operator
but in general, the net profit of the GTS operator for the last year was UAH 20 billion.
They are clearly not in bankruptcy, even with the debts of Firtash's regional gas companies.

[Brturin]

Quote: Avior

They won't go anywhere, sooner or later they will pay

Here I would not be so sure - Ze "I support the cancellation of debts to NJSC Naftogaz."

Quote: Avior

this debt does not interfere with work

The question is that this is not how, not 3-5 billion, sounds loud, but the amount is much more modest, and this year it may turn out to be even less ...
And debts ... debts run up against gas payments ... Medvedchuk concludes that "in 2014-2021, the price of gas for the population increased by 1300%, or 14 times."

[Avior]

Medvedchuk will tell you nothing like that, there is even nothing to discuss.
debts of regional gas companies are their problems, these are private offices, primarily Firtash, and the GTS Operator is state-owned. Therefore, if the money is pressed, it will be taken from Firtash, or the regional gas companies will be taken away for debts through the courts.

The question is that this is not how, not 3-5 billion, sounds loud, but the amount is much more modest, and this year it may turn out to be even less.

I did not understand you. last year net profit was 20-odd billion, for the first quarter of this year - 4,6 billion and this is without taking into account debts - when they are returned, there will be even more profits.

Ze "I support the cancellation of debts to Naftogaz.

Naftogaz has nothing to do with the GTS Operator, they are completely different offices.

[Brturin]

Quote: Avior

debts of regional gas companies are their problems, these are private offices ... Naftogaz has nothing to do with the GTS Operator, these are completely different offices.

But Naftogaz and the GTS Operator are state-owned, and if the Operator has a profit of UAH 20,4 billion, then Naftogaz has a loss of UAH 19 billion (about $ 678,6 million at the current exchange rate https://tass.ru/ekonomika/11256025). In hryvnia, of course, but the Operator gets about $ 730 somehow not very much with the billions of Gazprom ... but somehow for two ..

Quote: Avior

Naftogaz is not related to the GTS Operator

But Gazprom has contact with Naftogaz as an intermediary ....

[Avior]

Gas transit contract with the GTS operator
With Naftogaz - settlement agreements. Old debts and revocation of arbitration claims

... According to the company, the package of documents was signed by four parties: Gazprom, Naftogaz Ukrainy, the operator of the Ukrainian gas transmission system and the Ukrainian Ministry of Justice.

[Avior]

Naftogaz and the GTS operator are different offices

[Brturin]

Gazprom and Naftogaz signed an agreement to organize gas transportation through the territory of Ukraine. In this way, "Naftogaz "acts as a transit organizer and assumes the corresponding risks.... Naftogaz and OGTSU signed a transport agreement, Gazprom and OGTSU - an inter-operator agreement. https://www.gazprom.ru/press/news/2019/december/article497139/

[Avior]

Gazprom and Naftogaz signed an agreement to organize gas transportation through the territory of Ukraine. Thus, Naftogaz acts as a transit organizer and assumes the corresponding risks.

Naftogaz and OGTSU signed a transport agreement, Gazprom and OGTSU - an inter-operator agreement.

The organizing company must book the capacity of the Ukrainian gas transmission system in the total volume of 225 billion cubic meters. m of gas for a period of 5 years: in 2020 - 65 billion cubic meters. m, in 2021-2024 - 40 billion cubic meters. m.

and what are the risks? OGTSU is responsible for transportation, and OGTSU also takes money for this.
legally OGTSU has nothing to do with Naftogaz, they are completely different organizations.
Until January 1, 2020, there was a certain connection with the Naftogaz group, but from that date OGTSU is a completely separate office
https://tsoua.com/pro-nas/istoria/

[loki565]

40 billion cubic meters will continue to flow for the next 10 years ...
They didn't really lose anything ...
from 55 to 40 ...
They will always receive 3-5 billion dollars ...
And you, continue to carry nonsense, which is in no way connected with reality ...

Well, here either you do not know, or you are deliberately disingenuous))) Now they are pumping 40, and in the "best years" they pumped almost 200. The volumes will remain only they will no longer go through Ukraine.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: loki565

40 billion cubic meters will continue to flow for the next 10 years ...
They didn't really lose anything ...
from 55 to 40 ...
They will always receive 3-5 billion dollars ...
And you, continue to carry nonsense, which is in no way connected with reality ...

Well, here either you do not know, or you are deliberately disingenuous))) Now they are pumping 40, and in the "best years" they pumped almost 200. The volumes will remain only they will no longer go through Ukraine.

Why are you cheating people?
The maximum historical volume of Russian gas transit through the territory of Ukraine, according to information from Ukrtransgaz, was recorded in 1998 - 141,1 billion cubic meters. m.

[loki565]

Well, here either you do not know, or you are deliberately disingenuous))) Now they are pumping 40, and in the "best years" they pumped almost 200. The volumes will remain only they will no longer go through Ukraine.

[lucul]

Why are you cheating people?
The maximum historical volume of Russian gas transit through the territory of Ukraine, according to information from Ukrtransgaz, was recorded in 1998 - 141,1 billion cubic meters. m.

Indeed, when Ukraine was part of the USSR, what was the maximum volume of pumping? ))))

[SovAr238A]

Quote: loki565

The maximum historical volume of Russian gas transit through the territory of Ukraine, according to information from Ukrtransgaz, was recorded in 1998 - 141,1 billion cubic meters. m.

And I will answer you the same as before

The maximum historical volume of Russian gas transit through the territory of Ukraine, according to information from Ukrtransgaz, was recorded in 1998 - 141,1 billion cubic meters. m.

[lucul]

40 billion cubic meters will continue to flow for the next 10 years ...

Proof? ))))

[Vasia]

They will always receive 3-5 billion dollars ...

What are you speaking about?

[tralflot1832]

As the Americans say there, an ordinary routine has begun. June 10, Fortuna finished on time. Award for the crew of Fortuna in the studio !!! Well done! We are waiting for the Poles with the crossing of streams with their Baltic Pipka. But mice are so unpredictable, especially Walnut Sony.

[hrych]

Chersky accelerated to a little less than a kilometer a day along the second line, there are less than 70 km left. Since Fortuna has freed herself today, it’s time to meet Chersky halfway. Its laying speed can reach up to 1,5 kilometers per day. If so, then theoretically, there is a month and a half left before the end of construction of SP-2.

[tralflot1832]

At Chersky, the depth under it is decreasing, and part of Fortuna's personnel has been freed.

[hrych]

Chersky is capable of walking 2 km a day, and Fortuna 1,5 km a day. These 70 km can ideally be covered in 20 days. But the weather intervenes and Chersky lays less than a kilometer, and Fortuna a little more. With increased excitement, Fortuna lays 400 meters per day. And Chersky was stupid at first. Therefore, if a day is cumulatively closer to 2 km, then a month and a half is a real time. Banderiks and Lyashki counted on the end of the year in the worst case scenario, ours did not frighten them. The handlers cunningly maneuvered and then the other day thunder struck from the lips of the Supreme. And we understand that by the beginning of the heating season SP-2 will be operational.

[tralflot1832]

And Gazprom is still strangling Europe. It does not participate in tenders for free capacity of the Ukrinskaya GTS. Everything is strictly under the contract.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: hrych

Chersky accelerated to a little less than a kilometer a day along the second line, there are less than 70 km left. Since Fortuna has freed herself today, it’s time to meet Chersky halfway. Its laying speed can reach up to 1,5 kilometers per day. If so, then theoretically, there is a month and a half left before the end of construction of SP-2.

Did the Danes get their permission back again?
Which was recalled earlier?

[hrych]

Quote: SovAr238A

Did the Danes get their permission back again?

And Denmark put an end to the Baltic Pip, a gas pipeline between Denmark and Poland, and there are no bans on SP-2. Chersky is moving according to plan.

[usr01]

USA ... promised Ukraine

Promising does not mean getting married ... (c)
It will be - as always ...

[tralflot1832]

Oh, such a topic is leaving, but we will not hurry! We will still discuss, the Poles with the Ukrainian people will give an excuse !!! And 40 billion cubic meters through Ukraine until 25 is not enough for Europe. Storages are filled in Europe a day by a teaspoon.

[Cotton Colorado]

“At the same time, the US admitted that they could not prevent the completion of the gas pipeline, and promised Ukraine to compensate for the transfer losses.”
Will they scratch behind the ear and give a bone?

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Wadded Colorado

promised Ukraine to compensate transfer losses ".
Will they scratch behind the ear and give a bone?

They promised to bend the Germans so that they would compensate ...
And the Germans, with what fright, do they not know what to pay the indemnity for?

[alexey alexeyev_2]

They promised to compensate .. Yeah .. then .. maybe half .. with the ears of a dead donkey ...

[Cananecat]

Quote: Wadded Colorado

Will they scratch behind the ear and give a bone?

Smell...

[tralflot1832]

What are you, sniff this payment for debts to Ukraine.

[rocket757]

Nord Stream 2AG announced gas filling of the first string of Nord Stream 2

... What kind of "fairy tales" and cartoons are already here, the gas workers are serious guys, said, done.

[Sergey Sfiedu]

So far, serious guys have made a fortune on the construction of all these northern, Turkish and Siberian streams. And how it will be for the country - let's see, it is clear that the work of the SP-2 will necessarily be linked with Ukraine.

[rocket757]

Quote: Sergey Sfyedu

it is clear that the work of SP-2 will certainly be linked with Ukraine

... Who understands what is clear, why is it clear?
Do you seriously think that gay Europeans care about what will happen to Ukraine there? They need gas, a lot of gas, they will not find it somewhere else, at an adequate price. So they will buy from Gazprom.

Quote: Sergey Sfyedu

So far, serious guys have made a fortune on the construction of all these northern, Turkish and Siberian streams.

Where, when and how? Pipes have been laid, gas is flowing or will soon be flowing. What is the problem then?
Along the way, for reasons beyond their control, we changed the configuration and routes, but we did.

[Sergey Sfiedu]

Can you read? Read the agreement on transit through Ukraine. Then shout what gay Europeans care about and what they don't. And think about why the US suddenly softened its position on the SP-2.

[rocket757]

The contract is like a contract, they pump gas and get money ... by the way, the contract ends soon, and in light of the fact that Geyropa's needs for gas supplies are growing, and no one except Gazprom can supply it, the contract will either be extended or another one is signed. It will also be with Poland, for the same objective reasons and the needs of their consumers.
So what's the question then? What's wrong? Or did you learn to read, count, on different planets?

[Avior]

Do you seriously think that gay Europeans care about what will happen to Ukraine?

in principle, they do not care much about Gazprom's revenues either. Ce la vie!

[rocket757]

There is a seller, there is a buyer ... sometimes there is an intermediate link, a transit country in between. Everyone has their own interests ... what's wrong?

[Avior]

it's like that
the buyer is concerned about the seller's income insofar as.

[rocket757]

But the buyer is very concerned about the price and stability of supplies! Not a reliable, greedy, intermediate link, a lot of blood can spoil, and EVERYTHING.
When there are more than one options, the buyer has the advantage of choice, and the seller is limited in his "experiments".

[Avior]

Not a reliable, greedy, intermediate link, a lot of blood can spoil, and EVERYTHING.

with the seller the same problem. I don’t remember that the buyer accused the transit country of being unreliable and greedy, especially considering that these are the seller’s problems under existing contracts, and not the buyer’s, the buyer receives gas at the entrance to the EU.
But with the seller, such was observed. Buyers have sued him on numerous occasions, both on prices and terms.

[rocket757]

Everything happens ... but if Magomed believes that only the mountain is to blame for his troubles, and not other different ones who are to blame, no matter how much more, what will he win in the end ??? He will go to deal with the mountain and ... he will get a stone on a stupid head!
So, Magomed understood before, it looks like now / soon, only a stone shine for him, for its blunt part ... And the mountain, as it stood, will STAND FURTHER.

[Avior]

You began to speak in riddles, it is difficult to understand you.
Are you talking about that grief, which returns to buyers 1,5 billion dollars, then 3 billion?
No one is against it, let it be, if it is solvent.

[rocket757]

Okay, we do not have the USSR, the upper ones, in some / significant part, are the comprodors on the salary !!! They and their servants, economists, accountants, lawyers, what was the goal ??? To preserve the "national treasure" or to tear YOUR sweet slice from this pie and .... dump over the hillock, where they have a lot of "straws". What kind of contracts they, at one time, did not conclude, gave all the rights and so on, to foreign jurisdiction !!! By the way, the "servants of the people" did not pass laws that we almost were left without sovereignty !!!
In general, the cause of the investigation is easy to find, not so difficult to understand ...
I am not a supporter of the current upper ones, I can speak for them ... ornate, as they deserve. I believe that those minimal changes that are taking place are very necessary, but ... very slowly, and I do not believe that the current ones can / will do something more than in their own, personal, interes ... state, well, this is that they would not be written all together as traitors, because there is a growing understanding in society that they are clearly not the ones we need now.
Something like this.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: rocket757

When there are more than one options, the buyer has the advantage of choice, and the seller is limited in his "experiments".

While everything goes to the opposite option -
there are more than one options, the seller has the advantage of choice, and the buyer is limited in his "experiments".

[rocket757]

If you listen to the experts, then yes, the gay European buyer is very limited, and after a couple of three years, his choice will be narrowed to the limit. Besides, NOBODY, not a single supplier can cover their gas needs even by half, for objective reasons, by the way. Gay Europeans will always, WHILE, collect volumes from all over the world! Gazprom was hindered because it always had room for maneuver, options for solving problems !!! Despite all the screeching, European bureaucrats, foreign guardians, the project was necessary and therefore implemented on conditions that satisfied Russia as well.
Those. when they need it, everything will be done.

[Petro_tut]

Do you seriously think that gay Europeans care about what will happen to Ukraine?

the fate of the Ukrainians in particular may not bother them, but the fate of these territories is very

[rocket757]

What about the territory? She, somewhat, is not free, and the processes there are raging without ceasing! Moreover, those interested from the outside, there is not one, but several more!
The smartest, the richest, will not go there, and the arrogant, greedy adventurers will not bring peace there!

[cniza]

Quote: rocket757

Nord Stream 2AG announced gas filling of the first string of Nord Stream 2

... What kind of "fairy tales" and cartoons are already here, the gas workers are serious guys, said, done.

The main thing is not to make noise, but calmly bring plans to implementation ...

[rocket757]

Well, yes, there are several interesting positions / points that are not spoken about out loud, but there is clearly a solution, taken care of in advance.
Gas will go soon ... most importantly, the consumer has a strong desire to get it NOW, and not sometime later .... for objective reasons, by the way.

[Brturin]

Quote: cniza

The main thing is not to make noise, but calmly bring plans to implementation

And here it may be interesting ... in 2016 - "And Gazprom" in the current time period has launched a program to optimize gas transmission capacities of the central corridor, which involves the elimination of almost 2020 thousand km of single-line gas trunklines by 4,3 and closure of 62 compressor shops with an installed capacity of more than 3 GW. As for the transit capacities that will be in the central corridor towards Ukraine by 2020, after the optimization program, these transit capacities will amount to 10 to 15 billion cubic meters of gas per year. Gazprom "on operating costs until 2020 alone will amount to $ 1,6 billion."
It was a long time ago, and time goes by, and the volumes may change ... the question is, in principle - the SP-2 will be launched, then "Gazprom's savings on operating costs" by liquidation? ... and then the question of what to give more may disappear by itself ...

[Wolf]

Great VICTORY !!! The most important thing is the diversification of LOGISTICS !!! How will it be there later through the joint venture, the UP and the Ukrainian GTS, this is a question of the AGREEMENTS, but THE ROLE OF RUSSIA IS DECIDED !!!
Bravo !!!

[Wolf]

Dumb The Japanese could have already built a line to Japan, but the rabbi will not come out and cannot. Even the Germans entered into a LOT OF JAPANESE INTELLIGENCE, they condemned their Promishlyenost to slow death!

[Wolf]

In addition, the PRICE FOR GAS IN EUROPE HAS REACHED THE UPPER LEVEL, the gas storage facilities are almost empty, so the United States has ceased to put pressure on the end of the gas pipeline, and the cash (budget) of Russia will start to fill up with money. Both the army and everyone else will be able to rejoice. Seeing through.

[Wolf]

If someone thinks that the Germans are smart, they are strongly mistaken. They have lost their RODNI language, the New Donetsk language is an artificial creation of the 19th century and much poorer than their native Pruski and Serbski. They can work in a disciplined manner, but this is their maximum. Further more than this, it is difficult.

[Nadrub]

Mattresses are compensated by mattresses :)

[xorek]

The offshore section of the first string is technically completed (...) today the overlap has been completed - the offshore sections of the gas pipeline laid by Russia and Germany are interconnected

If the Russians are up to something, no one can stop them ..!
It's time to understand this, gentlemen ..
Now, through these pipes, you can transfer the airborne division to the rear of NATO, if something happens! JOKE ..
Kiev has already begun to sing its stringy "Ukraine has not died yet ... and glory to the heroes" The suitcases are already being packed ..
Well, well ... Who will have time and then light ..

[cniza]

R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№ , but you shouldn't calm down and even less stop ...

[xorek]

Quote: cniza

R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№ , but you shouldn't calm down and even less stop ...

You have to go to the end Victor, you are right! And already Russia should set the conditions, after all the sanctions and humiliation suffered by us .. We survived all the same and requested the West to negotiate.
In the meantime, we live, we chew bread ..

[cniza]

This does not happen otherwise, either we are them or they are us ...

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

I hope our business will pull all the juices out of the adversaries who hindered construction. Although we lived in the same country, it was long ago even under socialism. Now, capitalism and the old fables about the "Brotherly People" are not rolling. Maybe they did it, if they hadn't put pans on their heads and zigged .... But now, categorically, NO.

[BAI]

promised Ukraine to compensate transfer losses due to the launch of Nord Stream 2

At whose expense? Nobody canceled the Brzezinski precept: "Against Russia, on the ruins of Russia, at the expense of Russia."

[Gardener91]

Quote: BAI

Of the Brzezinski Testament

While working. Everyone is mistaken, and an ardent Russophobe could not help but be mistaken. Where? ... time will tell, history can be rewritten, but not undone. I'm sure.

[cniza]

Starting from June 11, on the first string, commissioning works on filling the pipeline with gas will begin, which will take "several months".

Somewhere it exploded, and so, albeit later, but they did it ...

[xorek]

Quote: cniza

Somewhere exploded

"Fart" for many ..

Quote: cniza

and so, let it be done later ...

We are working and the caravan moves on .. .

[cniza]

Otherwise, the main thing is not to calm down and silently solve your problems ...

[xorek]

Quote: cniza

Otherwise, the main thing is not to calm down and silently solve your problems ...

It was Victor silently !!!! And then, as we begin to justify ourselves officially, the howl rises even more strongly, especially for the internal libertines .. The caravan goes on, the dogs and jackals howl.

[Gardener91]

and promised Ukraine to compensate for the transfer losses due to the launch of Nord Stream 2. A good reason for the further colonization of Ukraine. The United States is once again making "Independence" dependent.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

We can only congratulate the shareholders and builders for their work and endurance. Also, we can congratulate our taxpayers with the theoretical exclusion of one rude people. Us-transit without blackmail. They are even more dependent on European toilet bowls and autobahns. To each his own.

[123456789]

Quote: SovAr238A

Quote: Xlor

The occupant gas will no longer pass through the territory of Independence!
Glory to Ukraine!
Jump-jump, jump-jump

40 billion cubic meters will continue to flow for the next 10 years ...

They didn't really lose anything ...
from 55 to 40 ...

They will always receive 3-5 billion dollars ...

And you, continue to carry nonsense, which is in no way connected with reality ...

In fact, 1,2 billion dollars Under the contract, Gazprom pays for the transit of 40 billion cubic meters of gas through the Ukrainian GTS. And it will pay until the end of 2024 even after the launch of Nord Stream 2.

[bk316]

Gentlemen, there is no need to put on a good face when playing a bad game.
Russia said we will build SP2 and have built it.
And "the USA has reached an agreement with Germany," "Ukraine will have to pay for transit," these are pitiful blah blah blah excuses.
Read the comments and you will understand who I wrote this to.

By the way, about the transit through 404.
GDP clearly said that we are building SP2 not at all in order to ruin Ukraine.
We are building it so that Ukraine cannot blackmail us.

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

***

With the world on a string - "Naftagaz" a rope ...

***

[aszzz888]

This was stated by the NSDC secretary Alexei Danilov.

DLB law is not written.

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: SovAr238A

I'm unlike you indirectly, I am engaged in the maintenance and replacement of Transneft and Gazprom pipes in the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug ....
You are clearly not in the subject.
And I'll tell you, replacing one kilometer of a pipe costs about 1 billion rubles ...

Well, but you are clearly in topic! For a lard kilometer, you change pipes !! Well this is how much you saw there ??