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Russian Su-30SM first approached the Italian Air Force F-35A fighter in the skies over the Baltic Sea

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It was confirmed that the Russian Su-30SM fighter "met" the F-35A fighter of the Italian Air Force in the skies over the Baltic Sea. An American-made 5th generation Italian fighter jet flew in the so-called "air police" format. This format in NATO structures involves patrolling the airspace of the Baltic republics aviation allies and protection of the air borders of these countries.

Earlier it was reported that the Italian F-35A arrived in Estonia on a rotational basis and located at the air base in the town of Emari. Earlier, the fighters of the FRG Air Force were deployed there.

The Russian fighter flew in a parallel course with the Italian Air Force "Air Police" fighter, approaching a relatively short distance. Having demonstrated the missile armament to the Italian pilot, the Su-30SM began to gradually move away from the fifth generation fighter.

It is noted that this is the first case of such a rapprochement between the Su-30SM and the F-35A in stories.

Russian Su-30SM first approached the Italian Air Force F-35A fighter in the skies over the Baltic Sea


In the ministries of defense of the Russian Federation, Italy and the Baltic countries this "meeting", about which сообщает "Military Observer", in the sky over the Baltic Sea has not yet commented.

At the same time, experts believe that the increasing appearance of the F-35 near the Russian borders is NATO's actions to monitor air defense systems. The main task may be related to whether F-35 fighters can remain invisible to Russian air defense calculations in the Kaliningrad region.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 10 June 2021 07: 28
    0
    What is the Italian word for “This is unprofessional and irresponsible!”? laughing

    By the way, I find it amusing that the F-35, unlike our fighter, has nothing to show except for a naked belly. lol
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 10 June 2021 07: 33
      -11%
      Demonstrating missile weapons to the Italian pilot, the Su-30SM began to gradually move away from the fifth generation fighter.

      Didn't he show him the middle finger? In my opinion, this is why the Defense Ministries have not yet commented on this meeting. Polite words are looking for
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 10 June 2021 07: 42
        +21
        I remember the old "Yeralash", where the kid was given a hat, and convinced that it was an invisible hat.
        And he did different kinds of game.
        And then he realized that he was n ... deceived. And he was crazy.
        So this Italian is fucked up, how he was found
        1. Bshkaus
          Bshkaus 10 June 2021 09: 23
          0
          And then he realized that he was n ... deceived. And he was crazy.
          So this Italian is fucked up, how he was found

          Who found whom? Another big question: information about whether we see their stealth, and they are ours, is a state secret, which is possessed by only a few specialists. In any case, the Su30 is not a stealth and it was definitely herded from far away, so our pilot was more likely to be fucking. I understand that it is not patriotic, but logical.
          Here is the meeting of f22 / 35 with Su57 is a completely different matter: there really a meeting can turn out to be a mutual surprise (especially in mountainous terrain), and already at a close combat distance, where superiority depends already on maneuverability
          1. NIKN
            NIKN 10 June 2021 10: 35
            +17
            Quote: Bshkaus
            Who found whom another big question:

            There is no conspiracy. F-35s in a non-combat situation fly (so as not to reveal the real radar portrait of the aircraft) with lenses and they can be seen like a flashlight in the night.
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            By the way, I find it amusing that the F-35, unlike our fighter, has nothing to show except for a naked belly.

            It goes without saying, because the weapons are in the compartments.
            I don't see a sensation if the pilots looked at it visually. Each completed his task and dispersed.
          2. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 10 June 2021 11: 39
            -1
            Quote: Bshkaus
            Su30 is not a stealth and it was definitely herded from far away, so our pilot was more likely to be fucking.

            Why the hell would he be? At our borders, the F-35 was hardly looking for a meeting with the Su-30. The situation when our found an Italian looks more logical, and not vice versa.
        2. Anzhey V.
          Anzhey V. 10 June 2021 09: 58
          +4
          So this Italian is fucked up, how he was found


          Is it okay that the Italian first took our board for escort, and only then did the Su-30 arrive?

          You should at least watch the video, it seems that we do not live in the Stone Age, the Internet is there.
          1. Niko
            Niko 10 June 2021 10: 19
            -2
            Anzhej, in the comments in the "news" section - the main thing is "patriotism"! Haven't you noticed yet? laughing
            1. Anzhey V.
              Anzhey V. 10 June 2021 10: 55
              +3
              Anzhej, in the comments in the "news" section - the main thing is "patriotism"! Haven't you noticed yet?


              Unfortunately no...

              I try to read the comments as rarely as possible, and when I read, I hope to see some interesting notes from professionals, as it was before.

              But, it seems, "as before" will no longer be.

              PS: This crazy orgy in the comments is very sad.
              1. pilot306
                pilot306 10 June 2021 11: 39
                -17%
                This is the Russian version of the censor, get out of here.
                1. Niko
                  Niko 10 June 2021 13: 02
                  +4
                  Quote: pilot306
                  This is the Russian version of the censor, get out of here.

                  There is no need to pass off someone's limitation as a general Russian culture. (And save yours: "if you don't like it, go away," save it for the gateway
                  1. pilot306
                    pilot306 10 June 2021 15: 59
                    -6
                    What has the gateway here? What have you fantasized for yourself?
                    This was good advice from one reasonable person to another equally reasonable one.
                    1. Niko
                      Niko 10 June 2021 16: 44
                      +1
                      Quote: pilot306
                      What has the gateway here? What have you fantasized for yourself?
                      This was good advice from one reasonable person to another equally reasonable one.

                      I apologize.
                      1. pilot306
                        pilot306 10 June 2021 16: 47
                        0
                        Accepted, understood.
                        Sorry for the cons, removed.
              2. The comment was deleted.
              3. Niko
                Niko 10 June 2021 13: 00
                -1
                Quote: Anjay V.
                Anzhej, in the comments in the "news" section - the main thing is "patriotism"! Haven't you noticed yet?


                Unfortunately no...

                I try to read the comments as rarely as possible, and when I read, I hope to see some interesting notes from professionals, as it was before.

                But, it seems, "as before" will no longer be.

                PS: This crazy orgy in the comments is very sad.

                I regularly have the same thoughts, but until we are all alone, all is not lost.
              4. Sergey Averchenkov
                Sergey Averchenkov 10 June 2021 17: 09
                +3
                Hmmm ... women used to be prettier, and vodka was drunker ... sadness ... I also want the USSR as before. Will this suit you?
          2. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 10 June 2021 11: 59
            -3
            Quote: Anjay V.
            Is it okay that the Italian first took our board for escort, and only then did the Su-30 arrive?

            Where does the information about who discovered whom earlier come from? Near our borders, the Italian takes the Su-30 for escort and waits for a missile weapon to be poked in its nose, and then flies away. Is it not destiny to fly a little earlier without giving additional information on the aircraft's EPR to a potential enemy? Where is the logic ?
            1. SovAr238A
              SovAr238A 10 June 2021 12: 22
              -3
              Quote: Bad_gr
              Quote: Anjay V.
              Is it okay that the Italian first took our board for escort, and only then did the Su-30 arrive?

              Where does the information about who discovered whom earlier come from? Near our borders, the Italian takes the Su-30 for escort and waits for a missile weapon to be poked in its nose, and then flies away. Is it not destiny to fly a little earlier without giving additional information on the aircraft's EPR to a potential enemy? Where is the logic ?


              Do you have enough reason to understand that "borders" are at least two sides involved ????
              Our border ends where the Estonian, Latvian, Lithuanian begins.
              And vice versa.
              And our Su-30SM was, accordingly, close to their borders.
              So there is a meeting of two planes, where each is near its own borders.

              This is how you learn to think ..
              1. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr 10 June 2021 12: 47
                +4
                Quote: SovAr238A
                Do you have enough reason to understand that "borders" are at least two sides involved ????

                Well, what can I do ...
                The article does not say that this was the air border of neighboring states.

                Quote: SovAr238A
                This is how you learn to think ..
                Start with yourself before giving advice.
                1. SovAr238A
                  SovAr238A 10 June 2021 20: 42
                  -4
                  Quote: Bad_gr
                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  Do you have enough reason to understand that "borders" are at least two sides involved ????

                  Well, what can I do ...
                  The article does not say that this was the air border of neighboring states.

                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  This is how you learn to think ..
                  Start with yourself before giving advice.

                  Articles on VO are written in the way that "party policy" needs.
                  The brain is given to a person in order to separate politics from reality ...
                  Apparently it is not given to you if you are ready to rely entirely on the person who wrote the text on VO ...
                  1. Bad_gr
                    Bad_gr 10 June 2021 21: 02
                    +2
                    Quote: SovAr238A
                    The brain is given to a person in order to separate politics from reality ...
                    Will there be links to the original source of this "wise" thought?
                    Quote: SovAr238A
                    Apparently it is not given to you if you are ready to rely entirely on the person who wrote the text on VO ...
                    When I have the opportunity to find additional data on the topic under discussion, I share information, including links from where, what came from, in contrast to some who talk to an opponent through the lip.
                    1. SovAr238A
                      SovAr238A 10 June 2021 21: 08
                      -4
                      Quote: Bad_gr
                      Quote: SovAr238A
                      The brain is given to a person in order to separate politics from reality ...
                      Will there be links to the original source of this "wise" thought?
                      Quote: SovAr238A
                      Apparently it is not given to you if you are ready to rely entirely on the person who wrote the text on VO ...
                      When I have the opportunity to find additional data on the topic under discussion, I share information, including links from where, what came from, in contrast to some who talk to an opponent through the lip.


                      Proofs, brother ...
                      I will go back 20 years ago ... in attempts at normal internet communication ...
                      Where is your proof?
                      An article on this site for proofs is considered a base bad manners ...
                      And you don't know what "through the lip" is ...
                      The Internet didn't give you such a concept ...
                      And do not bring personal children's problems to the general court ...
            2. Captain45
              Captain45 10 June 2021 15: 56
              +2
              Quote: Bad_gr
              Is it not destiny to fly a little earlier without giving additional information on the aircraft's EPR to a potential enemy? Where is the logic ?

              Yes, the purchased Italian was or was "Novice" poisoned to hand over all the terrible military secrets of NATO laughing
          3. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 10 June 2021 16: 19
            +1
            Quote: Anjay V.
            You should at least watch the video, it seems that we do not live in the Stone Age, the Internet is there.

            The century on the street is not stone, but it is not always possible to look for additional information on the basis of an article you have read, on the Internet. Therefore, the conclusions on the article are completely different: some in their conclusions are guided only by the information that is in the article, others, having rummaged in the net, give out conclusions on the events from the article, it is not clear on what basis.
            It is so difficult to provide a link from where additional information on the event under discussion was obtained.
          4. akarfoxhound
            akarfoxhound 10 June 2021 22: 25
            +3
            Initially, there was an escort of the propeller side, most likely our An-12BK (judging by the engines and wingtips) by the Italian F-35 from the left side, quite close ("sucking the wing" on the airplane) to the left of the Italian Su-30 approached, most likely raised from DS, ours approached at a distance, without pinching the 35th between himself and the heavy cargo. The Italian, seeing the interceptor, rolled off to the left, in a relatively free direction, which he did quite competently (well, not on the transport to the right). He settled down to the right of 35, "sketched" to each other, then ours showed the suspension, as a warning, the Italian rolled off. Everything was mutually literate and mutually polite, everyone did their job.
            NATO members regularly (but not always) climb to our military "big" aircraft flying into the Kaliningrad enclave, ours and the DS pick up interceptors, the adversary retreats, everything is banal, routine, daily. You are right, who saw whom there and on the basis of what they raised the DS - they will not tell the layman, the rest is idle chatter
        3. IL-18
          IL-18 10 June 2021 10: 39
          0
          Quote: Shurik70
          So this Italian is fucked up, how he was found

          Italians behave strangely! To satisfy the curiosity about what there in the Kaliningrad region the air defense can consider, it was enough to launch a balloon with a similar EPR. Do they have a special department that does not catch mice at all?
      2. seregatara1969
        seregatara1969 10 June 2021 19: 17
        0
        here it worries me too, suddenly would have left abruptly and what?
      3. family tree
        family tree 11 June 2021 02: 29
        0
        Elena, well, kind of a grown woman.
    2. Ren
      Ren 10 June 2021 07: 34
      +5
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      What is the Italian word for “This is unprofessional and irresponsible!”?

      Non è professionale e irresponsabile! hi wassat
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 10 June 2021 07: 36
        +4
        Quote: Ren
        Non è professionale e irresponsabile!
        Thank you, grace, or something like that. hi

        Except for "La frombula di Gvereschi per tutto mio", I do not know anything.
    3. novel66
      novel66 10 June 2021 07: 34
      +2
      But did they sell them with weapons? lol
    4. DominickS
      DominickS 10 June 2021 07: 39
      +9
      By the way, I find it amusing that the F-35, unlike our fighter, has nothing to show except for a naked belly. lol

      The F-35 has an internal weapons bay.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 10 June 2021 08: 10
        +3
        Quote: DominickS
        The F-35 has an internal weapons bay.

        Thank you, kind person, enlightened! (The irony is)
      2. IL-18
        IL-18 10 June 2021 10: 03
        0
        Quote: DominickS
        The F-35 has an internal weapons bay.

        Come on belay ... That's what I'm looking at ... And what? After the demonstration of his missiles and cannon, the pilot will not get it in the neck from the leadership, that he has ceased to be considered invisible?
        In fact, when Greece and LLC fires F-35s and uses them against Turkey (this is the most likely scenario for using this gadget against something really modern from air defense), then we will find out how invisible this stealth is with open and closed compartments.
    5. AlexVas44
      AlexVas44 10 June 2021 07: 42
      +19
      If there is nothing outside, then on the internal suspension there are (maybe):
      - GAU-22 / A cannon (220 rounds);
      - two medium-range missile launchers AIM-120 C / D AMRAAM or ASRAAM;
      - two UAB GBU-31 JDAM (908 kg each) or eight UAB SDB, or KR AGM-154 JSOW, or one-time cluster bombs (RBK) CBU-103M105.
    6. mark1
      mark1 10 June 2021 07: 42
      +3
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      What is the Italian word for “This is unprofessional and irresponsible!”?

      Something like this -
      "Whipping madonna di um besto per bako castella de membrano hemaro incheso sarvelo chets khan durala!"
    7. Cananecat
      Cananecat 10 June 2021 07: 55
      +2
      The funny thing is that the 35th has everything hidden in the belly ... it's like boasting about a machine gun in front of a man with a barrel in his shoulder holster.
      1. Peak
        Peak 10 June 2021 08: 00
        -5
        Experts believe that the increasing appearance of the F-35 near the Russian borders is NATO's actions to monitor air defense systems. The main task may be related to whether F-35 fighters can remain invisible to Russian air defense calculations in the Kaliningrad region.


        As you can see, the "Italian" was spotted and intercepted. For now, conditionally, a fighter, but in a real combat situation ground and naval air defense systems will work with a real demonstration of the damaging properties of air defense missile systems ...
      2. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 10 June 2021 08: 11
        0
        Quote: Canecat
        The funny thing is that the 35th has everything hidden in the belly ... it's like boasting about a machine gun in front of a man with a barrel in his shoulder holster.

        Well, if there were at least the same machine gun in the holster, it would be funny, but usually the pestles are in the holster.
    8. Grandfather
      Grandfather 10 June 2021 08: 00
      0
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      By the way, I find it amusing that the F-35, unlike our fighter, has nothing to show except for a naked belly.

      Well, yes ... compartments with weapons in the "bare belly".
    9. Anachoret
      Anachoret 10 June 2021 08: 40
      +2
      can F-35 fighters remain invisible to Russian air defense crews in the Kaliningrad region.

      Answer ... Maybe, if these F35s stay away from the borders of the Kaliningrad region and Russia as a whole)))
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 10 June 2021 08: 45
        +5
        Quote: Anchorite
        Answer ... Maybe, if these F35s stay away from the borders of the Kaliningrad region and Russia as a whole)))
        This is yes.
        By the way, it is dangerous to joke about pingwitos, here the penguin lovers avoid mercilessly from the stealth mode. laughing
        1. Bshkaus
          Bshkaus 10 June 2021 09: 31
          +3
          This is yes.
          By the way, it is dangerous to joke about penguitos, here the penguin lovers pass by mercilessly from the stealth mode. laughing

          You picked up the minuses solely for an unsuccessful banter with a bare belly, Americanophiles have nothing to do with it (no offense)
      2. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 10 June 2021 12: 25
        +1
        Quote: Anchorite
        can F-35 fighters remain invisible to Russian air defense crews in the Kaliningrad region.

        Answer ... Maybe, if these F35s stay away from the borders of the Kaliningrad region and Russia as a whole)))


        And the borders of Poland, the Balts - where will you go?

        Or are we only allowed to defend our borders?
        Balts, Poles, Swedes and other NATO members - you can't defend their borders according to your opinion?

        It comes to you that there is one border, and there are two sides at this border ???
    10. lucul
      lucul 10 June 2021 09: 00
      -3
      By the way, I find it funny that the F-35, unlike our fighter, except for a naked belly, there is nothing to show

      No no no )))
      The whole tsimes is that, as our Su-30SM discovered this invisibility, and also flew next to it)))
      After all, our Israeli "partners", here they knocked their heels on the chest, they say the F-35 is all so invisible, it flies invisible both over Iran and over Syria))))
    11. Bshkaus
      Bshkaus 10 June 2021 09: 17
      +2
      By the way, I find it amusing that the F-35, unlike our fighter, has nothing to show except for a naked belly. lol

      It is very strange that this is funny for you. Agree that we are not talking about a man "he is a castrato and a eunuch" only for the reason that "the basis of the life of Mr. Pe-Zhe" is hidden behind a fly. I would like to ask that the F35, F22 and Su-57 have internal compartments for missiles - this is a useful thing, by the way: it makes you think hard 10 times before cutting, or forcing a plane with a "bare belly" to change course.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 10 June 2021 09: 26
        +6
        Quote: Bshkaus
        It is very strange that this is funny for you. Agree that we are not talking about a man "he is a castrato and a eunuch" only for the reason that "the basis of the life of Mr. Pe-Zhe" is hidden behind a fly.
        Don't spawn entities, sometimes it's funny it's just funny.

        So, it is enough to roll the Su-30 aside to demonstrate the weapons, and the F-35 will have to open the doors for this, which will most likely be perceived by the start of the attack.


        Quote: Bshkaus
        By the way, a useful thing: it makes you think hard 10 times before cutting, or forcing a plane with a "bare belly" to change course.
        What is the usefulness? No one in their right mind will send a fighter on patrol without weapons, and no one in their right mind will cut a fighter.

        Quote: Bshkaus
        I would like to inquire that the F35, F22 and Su-57 have internal compartments for missiles.
        Thanks to another educator. laughing

        By the way, it will sound funny: "The Russian aggressive Su-57 aggressively demonstrated its bare belly to our peaceful F-35" laughing
        1. Bshkaus
          Bshkaus 10 June 2021 10: 01
          -1
          Don't spawn entities, sometimes it's funny it's just funny.
          and I'm not going because I don't see points of contact
        2. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 10 June 2021 12: 26
          +3
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Quote: Bshkaus
          It is very strange that this is funny for you. Agree that we are not talking about a man "he is a castrato and a eunuch" only for the reason that "the basis of the life of Mr. Pe-Zhe" is hidden behind a fly.
          Don't spawn entities, sometimes it's funny it's just funny.

          So, it is enough to roll the Su-30 aside to demonstrate the weapons, and the F-35 will have to open the doors for this, which will most likely be perceived by the start of the attack.


          It is enough just to change the operating mode of the radar ...
      2. IL-18
        IL-18 10 June 2021 10: 10
        +3
        Quote: Bshkaus
        internal bays for missiles is a useful thing, by the way: it makes you think 10 times hard before cutting, or forcing a plane with a "bare belly" to change course.

        Type on planes of the 5th generation fly exclusively inadequate, ready "the whole world to dust"? I wonder how they VVK go?
    12. dmmyak40
      dmmyak40 10 June 2021 09: 39
      -1
      He has the same weapons in the compartments, and not on the external sling.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 10 June 2021 09: 52
        +5
        Quote: dmmyak40
        He has the same weapons in the compartments, and not on the external sling.

        You are already the eighth educator! Bow to the ground! laughing laughing
        1. dmmyak40
          dmmyak40 10 June 2021 10: 25
          -4
          Well, learning is light. So, you look, and remember ... Repetitia est matera studiorum!
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 10 June 2021 10: 31
            +1
            Quote: dmmyak40
            Well, learning is light. So, you look, and remember ...

            Well, if you are in all seriousness, then in irony you do not know how, at all.
            You definitely did not succeed in reading the comments before posting your own.
            1. dmmyak40
              dmmyak40 10 June 2021 11: 27
              -1
              God forbid you, my dear! What an irony ?! Naked and cynical sarcasm! And so, of course - it's funny!
              PS Minus - well, well ...
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 10 June 2021 11: 29
                +1
                Quote: dmmyak40
                PS Minus - well, well ...

                Not me for the first time.
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              2. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 10 June 2021 11: 38
                +4
                Quote: dmmyak40
                God forbid you, my dear! What an irony ?! Naked and cynical sarcasm! And so, of course - it's funny!
                Those. Did you understand that I was aware of the F-35's weapons bay, but nevertheless decided to enlighten me? And where is the irony and even more so sarcasm? But it is impossible to praise the eighth "enlightener" except without irony, whether you have understood this is definitely not clear.
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        2. Artem76
          Artem76 10 June 2021 22: 10
          +1
          Vladimir, sansei, enroll me as the first to be your student ...
          By tomorrow evening, you will be the most enlightened master in weapons for the F-35 laughing
    13. 1976AG
      1976AG 10 June 2021 09: 59
      +3
      On such fighters, the readiness to use weapons is indicated by opening the doors of the in-fuselage weapons compartment.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 10 June 2021 10: 05
        +2
        Quote: 1976AG
        On such fighters, the readiness to use weapons is indicated by opening the doors of the in-fuselage weapons compartment.

        How would a Su-30 pilot react to this?
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 10 June 2021 10: 12
          +2
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Quote: 1976AG
          On such fighters, the readiness to use weapons is indicated by opening the doors of the in-fuselage weapons compartment.

          How would a Su-30 pilot react to this?

          He must react according to the instructions, but how he will react in practice is already a question for him personally.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 10 June 2021 10: 17
            +2
            Quote: 1976AG
            He must react according to the instructions, but how he will react in practice is already a question for him personally.

            I am not familiar with these, but this does not mean that they do not exist. Well, of course, I understand that for a plane flying next to the side of the plane, missiles do not pose a particular instant threat.
            By the way, the thought came to mind, opening the doors in view of the opponent and his radar can give extra data about the portrait of the "invisible".
            1. 1976AG
              1976AG 10 June 2021 10: 30
              0
              We are not talking about an instant threat, just opening the hatches means the same as directly demonstrating missiles. As for the portrait of the invisible, well, yes, it is, but this is inevitable and not critical.
      2. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 10 June 2021 12: 09
        +1
        Quote: 1976AG
        On such fighters, the readiness to use weapons is indicated by opening the doors of the in-fuselage weapons compartment.

        And if the opponents' planes are flying parallel, at a distance, literally, of outstretched arms from each other?
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 10 June 2021 13: 11
          0
          Quote: Bad_gr
          Quote: 1976AG
          On such fighters, the readiness to use weapons is indicated by opening the doors of the in-fuselage weapons compartment.

          And if the opponents' planes are flying parallel, at a distance, literally, of outstretched arms from each other?

          So what ? What is the problem ?
          1. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 10 June 2021 13: 36
            +2
            Quote: 1976AG
            So what ? What is the problem ?

            Do they have missiles that can shoot down an aircraft flying alongside, parallel course, wing to wing?
            1. 1976AG
              1976AG 10 June 2021 15: 56
              +1
              Quote: Bad_gr
              Quote: 1976AG
              So what ? What is the problem ?

              Do they have missiles that can shoot down an aircraft flying alongside, parallel course, wing to wing?

              This is an international signaling system, not a preparation for an attack.
    14. Mar.Tirah
      Mar.Tirah 10 June 2021 10: 18
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      By the way, I find it amusing that the F-35, unlike our fighter, has nothing to show except for a naked belly.

      Well, he still has missiles. Just in close maneuver combat, if he happened in that situation, the F-35 did not
      competitor to our Su-30 SM
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 10 June 2021 10: 21
        +1
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        Well, he still has rockets

        I am even aware that the cannon may well be like a gopher, we do not see him but he is. laughing
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        Just in close maneuvering combat, if he happened in that situation, the F-35 did not
        competitor to our Su-30 SM
        Absolute yes.
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 10 June 2021 12: 31
          +2
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          I even know that the cannon may well be,
          ".... the GAU-22 / A cannon of the F-35 aircraft is a four-barreled modification of the 25-mm GAU-12 Equaliser cannon. At the same time, its ammunition load is 182 rounds ....."
          1. Sentinel-vs
            Sentinel-vs 10 June 2021 13: 19
            +1
            Is it for 2-3 short bursts of ammunition?
            1. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 10 June 2021 13: 27
              +4
              Quote: Sentinel-vs
              Is it for 2-3 short bursts of ammunition?
              Ours are almost the same
              Su-27
              Cannon GSh-30-1: --------------------------------- 1
              - Caliber, mm ------------------------------------ 30
              - Rate of fire, rounds / min - 1500
              - Ammunition, shells ----------------------- 150
              1. Decimalegio
                Decimalegio 11 June 2021 10: 58
                0
                As an aircraft cannon, I consider the Russian Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-30-1 to be the best in its class. In fact, it has remarkable performance considering that it uses an "old-fashioned" single-chamber, short-recoil mechanism, similar in principle to a Browning machine gun from World War II. In terms of performance, it is equal to BK 27, but weighs half as much. Instead of GIAT 30M791, two GSh-30s could be carried.
                However, I would prefer other cartridges. If the ammunition of the 30 x 165 Russian guns were loaded with lighter projectiles to increase muzzle velocity, their aerial combat capabilities would be improved at the cost of some loss in the effectiveness of ground attacks. But this can be explained by the exact choice. A ground attack from a cannon has a higher priority than using a cannon in aerial combat.
      2. dauria
        dauria 10 June 2021 11: 10
        +1
        Just in close maneuvering combat, if he happened in that situation, the F-35 did not
        competitor to our Su-30 SM


        It depends not so much on the aircraft, but much more on the characteristics of the melee missiles. In the Anglo-Argentine war, the Harriers had an all-round version of the Sidewinder, and the Argentine Mirages (Israeli-built) had an old version of the same missile. As a result, the air combat score is deplorable for Argentina.
    15. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 10 June 2021 19: 58
      0
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      By the way, I find it amusing that the F-35, unlike our fighter, has nothing to show except for a naked belly.

      So everything is inside, that's why it's called the fifth generation.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 11 June 2021 03: 46
        +1
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        So everything is inside, that's why it's called the fifth generation.

        You are already the ninth! laughing
  2. mark1
    mark1 10 June 2021 07: 33
    -9
    Russian Su-30SM first approached the Italian Air Force F-35A fighter in the skies over the Baltic Sea

    And our pilot hit him with a pissing mop on the lantern ...
  3. novel66
    novel66 10 June 2021 07: 34
    +6
    photo is good ... the falcon and the iron flew together lol
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 10 June 2021 08: 02
      +13
      Quote: novel xnumx
      photo is good ... the falcon and the iron flew together lol

      but their Minister of Defense looks better than the F-35.
      1. novel66
        novel66 10 June 2021 08: 04
        +6
        dead, defense
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 10 June 2021 08: 07
          +11
          Quote: novel xnumx
          dead, defense

          but better than the F-35?
          1. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 10 June 2021 08: 20
            +5
            Our DRYING will be prettier)))) but this young lady, as it were, did not cut these things in half
          2. novel66
            novel66 10 June 2021 08: 21
            +4
            any more elegant lol
        2. stas-xnumx
          stas-xnumx 10 June 2021 08: 50
          +3
          But slender))))
        3. askort154
          askort154 10 June 2021 08: 51
          +5
          novel66 dead, defense

          Vobla! Even the harness slid down on my ass. crying
        4. common man
          common man 10 June 2021 09: 14
          0
          Quote: novel xnumx
          dead, defense

          Well, tse for an amateur.
        5. Bshkaus
          Bshkaus 10 June 2021 09: 45
          +9
          but their Minister of Defense looks better than the F-35.

          We were deceived, we disperse! Firstly, this is a fake, I googled it, there is a photo where the pants are higher and there is no crime.
          Secondly, this is not the Minister of Defense: this is not Robert Pinoni or Elizabeth Trenta - I tried to identify it by "karma" comparing the photo. But the young lady herself turned out to be niche, her photo was found, but who she is is not clear.
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      3. Sentinel-vs
        Sentinel-vs 10 June 2021 08: 34
        +26
        Stop posting nonsense !!!



        And in the unedited photo - Maria Boschi, Minister of Constitutional Reforms of Italy



        And the minister of defense in Italy is the bearded uncle Lorenzo Guerini.
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 10 June 2021 08: 57
          +8
          Quote: Sentinel-vs
          And the minister of defense in Italy is the bearded uncle Lorenzo Guerini.

          1. Grandfather
            Grandfather 10 June 2021 09: 15
            -8
            Stop posting nonsense !!!
            that is, how they mock us, you don't care ... You can't touch THEM? are you from nata?
            1. Pechkin
              Pechkin 10 June 2021 09: 36
              +8
              They do not post that this is the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation.
              1. Grandfather
                Grandfather 10 June 2021 09: 37
                0
                Quote: Pechkin
                They do not post that this is the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation.

                this is Shoigu's guard ... this is sacred.
            2. Piramidon
              Piramidon 10 June 2021 10: 26
              +5
              Quote: Dead Day
              Can't you touch THEM?

              You can't lie blatantly.
              1. Grandfather
                Grandfather 10 June 2021 13: 00
                -1
                Quote: Piramidon
                Quote: Dead Day
                Can't you touch THEM?

                You can't lie blatantly.

                Here's an example of the pros and cons of VO. little provocation highlighted everything like an X-ray. do you understand on the downside how much "love for Russia" is there?
        2. Wolf
          Wolf 10 June 2021 11: 54
          +4
          But all the same, this minister, Maria Bosque, in which case it is necessary to take prisoner and ALIVE, the minister of defense is not interesting. smile
      4. Avior
        Avior 10 June 2021 09: 21
        +4
        funny photo.
        fake, of course

        Besides, this is not the Minister of Defense.
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 10 June 2021 09: 39
          -2
          Quote: Avior
          Besides, this is not the Minister of Defense.

          everyone is too serious.
        2. vitvit123
          vitvit123 10 June 2021 09: 45
          +3
          From this angle, the original photo is also valid.
        3. Wolf
          Wolf 10 June 2021 11: 55
          +2
          But all the same, this minister, Maria Bosquet, in which case it is necessary to take prisoner and ALIVE, the minister of defense is not interesting. 
          1. Avior
            Avior 10 June 2021 12: 09
            +1
            Now there are so many wonderful ministers in the world that they fight and fight to the point of exhaustion smile

            What do you think about the Minister of Justice in another Mediterranean country?
            We take prisoner on occasion? :)))
      5. IL-18
        IL-18 10 June 2021 10: 31
        -2
        The girl is clearly interested in masochism. This is what she feels from being inserted into ... the ropes, pulling the thong like that? (!)
        Or demonstrates an iron will.
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      7. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 10 June 2021 20: 04
        0
        Quote: Dead Day
        but their Minister of Defense looks better than the F-35.

        Grandpa cool down the enthusiasm, this is a fotoeba.
  4. askort154
    askort154 10 June 2021 07: 47
    0
    It was confirmed that the Russian Su-30SM fighter "met" the F-35A fighter of the Italian Air Force in the skies over the Baltic Sea.

    Well, yes, he flew, flew Su - 30 CM, and accidentally saw the "invisible". belay
    1. loki565
      loki565 10 June 2021 07: 56
      0
      Well, yes, he flew, flew Su - 30 CM, and accidentally met the "invisible"

      Rather drove away the annoying penguin)))
    2. Peak
      Peak 10 June 2021 08: 06
      0
      Quote: askort154
      Well, yes, he flew, flew Su - 30 CM, and accidentally saw the "invisible".

      Let it be yes - "accidentally".
      1. askort154
        askort154 10 June 2021 08: 36
        +1
        Let it be so - "by accident".
        Yes, let's not upset the Israeli fans of the "invisible" that as soon as the "invisible" appeared on our radar, the duty Su was immediately sent to him. hi
        1. Avior
          Avior 10 June 2021 09: 23
          +2
          think about where they were filming - and it will become clear that there is no duty officer Su
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 10 June 2021 10: 29
            0
            Quote: Avior
            think about where they were filming - and it will become clear that there is no duty officer Su

            Perhaps the "drying" flew out in pairs and removed from the second. And both were on duty. request
            1. Avior
              Avior 10 June 2021 11: 24
              0
              in the video above, you can see from which plane they were filming
  5. Bez 310
    Bez 310 10 June 2021 07: 48
    +5
    I read the comments and never cease to be amazed ...
    Attempts to "witty" speak out about the trivial news are awe-inspiring.
    1. askort154
      askort154 10 June 2021 08: 23
      +3
      Bez 310 ....I read the comments, and I never cease to be amazed ...
      Attempts to "witty" speak out about the trivial news are awe-inspiring.


      Don't be surprised. When there is nothing to discuss in an article, "discussions" in the form of humor and sarcasm begin. But some do not see it because of their increased "seriousness". And this is depressing. crying hi
      1. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 10 June 2021 12: 30
        +2
        Quote: askort154
        And this is depressing. crying hi


        from the level that they now consider themselves quite sarcasm and funny humor ... :(
  6. Troll
    Troll 10 June 2021 07: 52
    -6
    This is a demonstration that they are not "invisible" to us. And this is precisely the essence of this meeting.
  7. bar
    bar 10 June 2021 07: 57
    0
    Russian Su-30SM first approached the Italian Air Force F-35A fighter in the skies over the Baltic Sea

    ... and pretended not to notice him, so as not to upset laughing
  8. Tagan
    Tagan 10 June 2021 07: 59
    +4
    The main task may be related to whether F-35 fighters can remain invisible to Russian air defense calculations in the Kaliningrad region.
    Remained?
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 10 June 2021 21: 07
      +1
      They can. If those don't work.
  9. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 10 June 2021 08: 16
    +3
    The main task may be related to whether F-35 fighters can remain invisible to Russian air defense calculations in the Kaliningrad region.

    Did the author come up with this, or have he heard enough of such experts?
    To check invisibility, the "penguin" must fly without a Luneberg lens. Those. to enable our radars to scan its real EPR diagram in natural form.
    Any spy would sell his soul for such a gift.
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 10 June 2021 21: 06
      0
      Well, if you want, you can buy or recruit a pilot. To hijack a plane to Russia.
  10. rocket757
    rocket757 10 June 2021 08: 22
    +2
    Russian Su-30SM first approached the Italian Air Force F-35A fighter in the skies over the Baltic Sea
    ... Is this an event worth discussing?
    1. cniza
      cniza 10 June 2021 08: 50
      +1
      Someone itches in one place and wants sensations ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 10 June 2021 10: 12
        +5
        And what is the sensation ... the usual, for the military, planned work.
        1. cniza
          cniza 10 June 2021 11: 48
          +2
          For the military, yes, but someone is looking for fried for the layman ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 10 June 2021 11: 53
            +1
            There is little new information. And then there will be fortune-telling, they will crush water in a mortar.
            1. cniza
              cniza 10 June 2021 11: 59
              +2
              So even this fact is interesting only to professionals, from the point of view of who and how discovered, how long the interception was carried out, etc.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 10 June 2021 12: 46
                +1
                Well yes. It is clear that the military, specialists receive and use information IN BUSINESS.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 10 June 2021 13: 24
                  +2
                  And we just argue from the couch and that's okay ...
    2. Bshkaus
      Bshkaus 10 June 2021 09: 53
      +1
      Is this an event worth discussing?

      Yes, the question is actually VERY serious: first of all, at what distance Su30 detected F35. The answer to this question is a state secret and it is not clear to me on the basis of what the sofa experts decided that it was the Su30 that discovered the F35.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 10 June 2021 10: 13
        +1
        Well, it is in the article that there is nothing that would be worth discussing.
        1. Bshkaus
          Bshkaus 10 June 2021 10: 32
          +1
          Well, it is in the article that there is nothing that would be worth discussing.
          yes, that's the point, but comments ...
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 10 June 2021 10: 30
      -1
      Quote: rocket757
      Is this an event worth discussing?

      Well, don't discuss it. Walk by.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 10 June 2021 10: 48
        +1
        And what, our remarks prevent someone from discussing something?
  11. Marachuh
    Marachuh 10 June 2021 08: 26
    -2
    F35 looks like a victim against our Alpha male! After all, Sukhoi makes top chariots!
  12. Decimalegio
    Decimalegio 10 June 2021 08: 28
    0
    as another user correctly noted, besides the cannon, the weapon is in the inner compartment. Although, if desired, it can be configured with external loads. Then the plane has a low radar signature and is not invisible to the human eye. You will need a rainbow PREDATOR suit. Apart from this beautiful photo, it's always nice to compare 2 live planes. I forgot, I think the pros respect the pros, so kidding aside, these riders exchanged professional warnings.
  13. aszzz888
    aszzz888 10 June 2021 08: 34
    -7
    The main task may be related to the fact can F-35 fighters remain invisible to Russian air defense crews in the Kaliningrad region.
    They could not, cannot and will not have such an opportunity. The hyped penguin is an ordinary iron. laughing
  14. Golddigger 96
    Golddigger 96 10 June 2021 08: 38
    -3
    Everything was done correctly, the signatures were recorded for both ground detection equipment and airborne ones. Now this unit will shine like a Christmas tree.
    1. El Chuvachino
      El Chuvachino 10 June 2021 09: 02
      +5
      Unless the 35th was with Luneberg lenses
      1. zlinn
        zlinn 10 June 2021 10: 04
        +5
        with a high degree of probability, he was there not only with lenses, but also with the transponder turned on, so for example right now on the border of Lithuania with Kaliningprad there is a scout Beechcraft and an incomprehensible drone both with transponders, there is too heavy traffic to fly without it
  15. Mikhail Ya2
    Mikhail Ya2 10 June 2021 08: 46
    0
    so he has rockets in the inner compartments
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    What is the Italian word for “This is unprofessional and irresponsible!”? laughing

    By the way, I find it amusing that the F-35, unlike our fighter, has nothing to show except for a naked belly. lol
  16. APASUS
    APASUS 10 June 2021 08: 46
    -1
    The ministries of defense of the Russian Federation, Italy and the Baltic countries have not yet commented on this "meeting", as reported by "Voenniy Obozrevatel", in the skies over the Baltic Sea.

    How so? I thought now a cry would start from all the Baltic toilets that an aggressive neighbor was trying to attack a peaceful F-35
    1. Bshkaus
      Bshkaus 10 June 2021 09: 59
      -2
      I thought now a cry would start from all the Baltic toilets that an aggressive neighbor was trying to attack a peaceful F-35

      You thought wrong. A detailed analysis of what happened will begin: the study of the recorded data and, if possible, the negotiations of the pilots. But the developers of the aircraft and the air defense system will be engaged in this, and on both sides. On the basis of this and similar meetings in the future, new tactics of combat use will be formed.
  17. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 10 June 2021 08: 49
    +2
    Judging by the video, the Italians flew in to show themselves. Do with us what you want, within reason, of course .. What kind of IL did we have with the escort SU 30 CM?
  18. Golddigger 96
    Golddigger 96 10 June 2021 08: 51
    +1
    Well, what a minus thanks, since you want jokes, then please watch from 2:59
  19. cniza
    cniza 10 June 2021 08: 52
    +1
    Demonstrating missile weapons to the Italian pilot, the Su-30SM began to gradually move away from the fifth generation fighter.


    This happens often, probably with the F-35 for the first time ...
  20. Prisoner
    Prisoner 10 June 2021 09: 01
    -1
    winked Probably our "accidentally" stumbled upon an f-35. How else? He's invisible.
  21. Avior
    Avior 10 June 2021 09: 29
    +7
    so-so stuffing that the supposedly invisible F-35 was seen.
    now this nonsense is spreading on the Internet, there was little Cook, who had all the electronics turned off right up to the microwave in the galley. :(
    judging by the photo, everything was strictly the opposite - the Su-30 was accompanied by the Il, and the F-35 approached them in the same air police mode - it was his direct task, in general, to visually identify the detected Russian aircraft.
    Well, unless someone is sure that it was Il who was sent chasing the F-35, but for this you need to be a very patriotic person
    hi
    1. Golddigger 96
      Golddigger 96 10 June 2021 11: 21
      +1
      This is not Il, but An 12 about which they wrote not long ago how it was valiantly intercepted by this particular F-35.
      1. Avior
        Avior 10 June 2021 11: 22
        +2
        Thank you for correcting.
        in this case, it doesn't matter, the situation of who intercepted whom is obvious there.
  22. 123456789
    123456789 10 June 2021 13: 29
    0
    Quote: mark1
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    What is the Italian word for “This is unprofessional and irresponsible!”?

    Something like this -
    "Whipping madonna di um besto per bako castella de membrano hemaro incheso sarvelo chets khan durala!"


    Wait a minute! Please slow down. I am writing down! Who is this? Probably the press. "Prisoner of the Caucasus"
  23. Decimalegio
    Decimalegio 11 June 2021 09: 54
    0
    How many discussions about who saw whom. The Italian Ministry of Defense "" two F-35A aircraft of the Air - Baltic Eagle II, stationed at the Yamari airport in Estonia, were activated by the NATO Joint Aviation Operations Center (CAOC) in Udem (Germany) with a quick takeoff. not to intercept an unidentified aircraft in NATO's area of ​​competence. The aircraft was joined by two Italian fighters during a flight over the international waters of the Baltic Sea.
    The F-35A completed the required Visual Identification (VID) procedure and returned to the airbase at the end of hostilities. alarming mission transponders have been disabled.
    1. Decimalegio
      Decimalegio 11 June 2021 10: 38
      0
      Why are pieces lost during translation ???? I said that probably like all countries (NATO, Russia and China) on jamming missions, the transponders were turned off.
  24. fox_rudy
    fox_rudy 11 June 2021 19: 05
    0
    The iron next to the plane looks cool !!!
  25. Outsider
    Outsider 13 June 2021 09: 40
    +1
    Quote: lucul
    By the way, I find it funny that the F-35, unlike our fighter, except for a naked belly, there is nothing to show

    No no no )))
    The whole tsimes is that, as our Su-30SM discovered this invisibility, and also flew next to it)))
    After all, our Israeli "partners", here they knocked their heels on the chest, they say the F-35 is all so invisible, it flies invisible both over Iran and over Syria))))

    - It's good to make the audience laugh: the F-35 approached a Russian plane a hundred meters, from there they saw it visually (just hanging next to it) shouted on the air, called their fighter, he rushed in, rubbed his eyes: “Wow! F-35! "
    And all these cries on the forums from the sofas: "Found the" invisible "stealth!" - Not serious, gentlemen. It's funny.