Zhirinovsky: In 2014, Putin made a mistake, limiting himself to the annexation of one Crimea

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In 2014, Putin made the mistake of limiting himself to annexing Crimea. But he had the opportunity to do away with Ukraine.

This statement was made by the leader of the LDPR faction in the State Duma Vladimir Zhirinovsky on the air radio "Komsomolskaya Pravda".



The politician expressed his opinion in response to the remark of radio host Vladimir Vorsobin, who noted that Zhirinovsky always refrains from criticizing the president.

For four broadcasts, you rarely even pronounce the name of Putin, and even more so, do not say anything bad about him. I noticed this subtlety of yours.

- said the journalist of "Komsomolskaya Pravda".

The leader of the Liberal Democratic Party disagreed with this statement and cited as an example the events of 2014 that unfolded in and around Ukraine, talking about his attitude towards them. He recalled how then the armed formations of Novorossiya suddenly stopped the offensive, how they did not take Mariupol, although the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Battalions, according to him, left the city. And if we recall earlier events, then Ukraine in general could be led by people who advocate normal relations with Russia, but Moscow did not take advantage of this opportunity.

Everything could be done. There was no army. The President was in Kharkov. Why was he not supported in Kharkov? Why didn't they give him special forces from Belgorod? Who missed it all?

- asks Zhirinovsky questions to which someone may have answers.

And if the Kremlin did so, Vladimir Volfovich believes, he would have done away with Ukraine even then. Of course, the politician hardly implies the complete destruction of the state, because he speaks of Russia's support for its legitimate president, who at that time was Viktor Yanukovych. Moreover, then the mood of the majority of residents of the center and west of Ukraine could hardly be called pro-Russian, however, as now.

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  1. +25
    6 2021 June
    Putin's mistake was one - the recognition of the legitimacy of Poroshenko.
    1. +39
      6 2021 June
      Quote: knn54
      Putin's mistake was one - the recognition of the legitimacy of Poroshenko.

      And in this case, I support Zhirinovsky. It was possible, if not "to do away with the country", then to annex most of it. And needless to say that the center and the ZU were opposed to Russia. Yes, the same Kharkov, Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk and a number of others would have supported, and they would have got rid of the Natsiks.
      1. +20
        6 2021 June
        In 2014, Putin made a mistake, limiting ourselves to the annexation of Crimea. But he had the opportunity to do away with Ukraine.

        This was not a mistake. It was his choice. And the famous Swiss messenger helped to make it.
        1. 0
          6 2021 June
          empty.
          I am writing about 10AB as a joke. they are not needed by the "collective uderipaska"
          and with the outskirts - Deripaska and other oligarchs have determined - we don’t have so much money there to endure the sanctions. handed over people for free postings through the doorman of the banks.
          1. -19
            6 2021 June
            Quote: antivirus
            handed over people for free postings through the doorman of banks

            There are no people there. Some kakly.
            As practice has shown, even for the residents of Donbass and Crimea, the consequences of life in the Independence were irreversible. They want Russia to make their life a raspberry just because they are.
            Therefore, it was necessary not only to annex Ukraine, but also to cleanse it of pockets.
            1. +1
              6 2021 June
              so it is in Ukraine Natsik, and in Russia, judging by your comments-patriots?
              1. -9
                6 2021 June
                Quote: Der Spiegel
                so it is in Ukraine Natsik, and in Russia, judging by your comments-patriots?

                That's right, the Russian patriots must clean up the Natsik Kaklov.
                1. +1
                  6 2021 June
                  Quote: Narak-zempo
                  Russian patriots must clean up the Natsik Kaklov.

                  brain cancer
                  1. -1
                    7 2021 June
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    brain cancer

                    And you have a brain cancer.
        2. +20
          6 2021 June
          Quote: Stas157
          This was not a mistake. It was his choice. And the famous Swiss messenger helped to make it.

          This is an error (not one, but a whole series, even a cascade of errors) and a choice. But the Swiss messenger arrived later - on the eve of the referendum in Donetsk and Lugansk, in early May. It's just that all the events in Ukraine about ... have been loved since 2013, I really didn't want to darken the Olympic games. After all, so much was spent on their organization that it was possible to re-equip all the Ground Forces ... or build an aircraft carrier fleet from scratch ...
          Everything was left to chance, and when the shooting and uniform shooting battles in the streets had already begun in Kiev ... he persuaded Yanukovych ... to withdraw the special forces and internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs from Kiev !!!
          At Obama's request.
          And then he threw up his hands - they say "Obama deceived me" ...
          In Kharkov, the resistance was much better organized. But he was not supported.
          But Kharkov is the first capital of Ukraine.
          Yes, yes, before the Ukrainian SSR there was no Ukraine on the maps before, and the capital of the Ukrainian SSR was Kharkov.
          The capital was moved to Kiev only after the Second World War, and even then not immediately.
          So what prevented you from supporting Russian Kharkov - the first capital of Ukraine?
          When did the deputies of all levels gather there and the president (Yanukovych) arrived?
          Loved.
          And they loved Odessa - until May 2, 2014, they regularly beat the muzzles of all hundreds of visiting Maidan there. Russian Odessa beat the muzzles.
          And already in Donetsk and Lugansk, the survivors of the defeated resistances from all over LOVED Ukraine gathered.
          And they fought back.
          Only in Donetsk there was a really popular element without any special organization. And the organization took place in the process and with great difficulty.
          And in Kharkov, the organization was originally. And the city is bigger.
          What prevented the return of the status of the capital to Kharkiv?
          Lack of timely support.
          And that demoralization of the true legitimate power of Ukraine after Putin's "agreement" of Yanukovych to surrender.
          Didn't you want to spoil the impressions of the Olympics?
          PR is our everything?
          It turns out so.
          And then the massacre began. When unarmed people in Donbass stopped military columns, armed themselves with anything ... Slavyansk ... which was also not supported ... the battles on the outskirts of Donetsk and Lugansk ... at their airports ... and the North Wind, which blew only to 1 September ...
          ... Abandoned by the enemy, but not taken by Mariupol ...
          And the Minsk agreements ...
          Winter battles in January-February 2015, the liberation of Debaltseve ...
          And Minsk -2.
          And the eighth year of the war.
          And the sanctions for the Russian Federation, which we so wanted to avoid, and which brought losses in the aggregate of at least half a trillion dollars.
          And stopping all Eurasian integration projects ...
          Here is the ERROR price.
          AND UNDECISION.
          1. +2
            6 2021 June
            There are no infallible people, everyone makes mistakes. Only the mistakes of ordinary people are seen by few or are visible only to themselves, and even the smallest mistakes of historical figures are visible to millions. Putin, like many of Russia's rulers, has done a lot of good. But he certainly has mistakes. And Wolfovich is absolutely right: in 2014 Putin made a mistake.
          2. +3
            6 2021 June
            Quote: bayard
            So what prevented you from supporting Russian Kharkov - the first capital of Ukraine?
            When did the deputies of all levels gather there and the president (Yanukovych) arrived?
            Loved.

            If supported, then there would be no coup and then Crimea would not have gone to us
            1. 0
              6 2021 June
              Quote: Achilles
              If supported, then there would be no coup and then Crimea would not have gone to us

              And you did not think that not only New Russia, but all of Ukraine could withdraw? smile
              1. +3
                6 2021 June
                Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                Quote: Achilles
                If supported, then there would be no coup and then Crimea would not have gone to us

                And you did not think that not only New Russia, but all of Ukraine could withdraw? smile

                Didn't you think that there is a lot of anti-Russian population in all of Ukraine? and that this population in your version will harm the Russian Federation? and that the Russian Federation simply does not have a high-quality intelligence network to catch such "citizens" in the annexed territory.
                Now they are working out technologies and gaining experience with the Crimea and the LPNR, and the Ukrainians and Ukrainians can wait, they will not run far, you see, with time, they will come running themselves.
                1. +4
                  6 2021 June
                  Quote: ProkletyiPirat
                  Didn't you think that there is a lot of anti-Russian population in all of Ukraine? and that this population in your version will harm the Russian Federation?

                  No I do not think so. Because I know for surethat in / in Ukraine there are NOT many anti-Russian population, Russophobes, Svidomites and Bandera minority, somewhere now about 25% (and it reached 35), and Russophiles - most... How do I know? Yes, I myself am from southern Novorossia, every day I communicate with people who are all universally friendly to Russians and differ little from them, many have relatives in Russia. How do I know this? I have close relatives in Moscow, Orel and Eburg, with whom I periodically communicate.

                  DO NOT listen to stupid people and vile propagandists who want to tear apart a single people and weaken Russia!
                  1. 0
                    6 2021 June
                    Well, what was required to prove, in the most "pro-Russian" part of Ukraine (voiced by you), there are 25% of anti-Russian policy supporters (according to your observations), this is more than enough to create a DRG network and subsequent hemorrhoids for the Russian Federation. So I am not surprised at the refusal of the Russian government to "liberate \ occupy \ substitute_desired" this territory in particular and Ukraine in general ...
                    1. -2
                      6 2021 June
                      Quote: ProkletyiPirat
                      Well, what was required to prove, in the most "pro-Russian" part of Ukraine (voiced by you), there are 25% of anti-Russian policy supporters (according to your observations), this is more than enough to create a DRG network and subsequent hemorrhoids for the Russian Federation. So I am not surprised at the refusal of the Russian government to "liberate \ occupy \ substitute_desired" this territory in particular and Ukraine in general ...

                      Are you an enemy (enemy?) strong Russia ... Probably also from abroad.
                      1. 0
                        6 2021 June
                        I am an opponent of propaganda nonsense, nonsense and licimerism, no matter pro-Russian, anti-Russian or whatever. The reasons for the seizure of Crimea and not the seizure of Ukraine in general and Novorosiya in particular were voiced back in 2014. Those who wanted to find and understand Old understood everything, so personally I see only another populist pearl of Zhirinovsky ...
                      2. +5
                        7 2021 June
                        Crimea was not captured !!! They returned theirs, but not all, only a part. Ukraine has never been a country = this is a territory !!!
                      3. 0
                        7 2021 June
                        Quote: ProkletyiPirat
                        I am opposed to propaganda bullshit, delirium and licimeria,

                        And it's funny when people are talking nonsense. pompously declare that they are opponents of bullshit ... laughing
                      4. +1
                        7 2021 June
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        And it's funny when people are talking nonsense. pompously declare that they are opponents of bullshit ...

                        And also the propaganda of "Huts on the edge".
                        Russia is not the Russian Federation.
                        This is the ENTIRE Russian World.
                      5. -3
                        6 2021 June
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        And you are still an opponent (enemy?) Of a strong Russia ... Probably also from abroad

                        Are you kidding? Anything that doesn't suit you - Anti-Russia? You don't have to try to be more Russian than you are.
                      6. +2
                        7 2021 June
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        Are you kidding? Anything that doesn't suit you - Anti-Russia? You don't have to try to be more Russian than you are.

                        Ukrainian doctor Sylvester! I don't even want to debate with you, because I know perfectly well your essence of Svidomo. I'm just surprised by the VO moderators, who allow you to fool the VO suckers with impunity for a long time, assent to them and what, spitting bile at every opportunity Russian shortcomings. smile
                  2. -6
                    6 2021 June
                    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                    Yes, I myself am from southern Novorossia, every day I communicate with people who are all universally friendly to Russians

                    This is where the one-sidedness of judgments lies! Hear only your own kind. And a million on the Maidan? - Wasn't it?
                    1. +2
                      7 2021 June
                      Quote: Silvestr
                      And a million on the Maidan? - Wasn't it?

                      Did not have .
                      1. +3
                        7 2021 June
                        Quote: bayard
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        And a million on the Maidan? - Wasn't it?

                        Did not have .

                        Of course not. It is estimated that only 180 thousand will fit there. True, if we count everyone who was brought to Kiev from Western Ukraine for the money for the "Maidan shift", then the number of shift workers could be 2-3 times higher. And what does even a million mean for the whole of Ukraine, which at that time was about 45,5 million? Only 2,2%! And if you count all the shift workers who really have been to the Maidan, then this is only 1% - one in a hundred! And this is "all Ukraina", as the Svidomites and Bandera are still yelling?
                    2. +1
                      7 2021 June
                      Of course not.)
                  3. -4
                    6 2021 June
                    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                    DO NOT listen to stupid people and vile propagandists who want to tear apart a single people and weaken Russia!

                    Less slogans, more knowledge
              2. +1
                6 2021 June
                Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                And you did not think that not only New Russia, but all of Ukraine could withdraw?

                How could all of Ukraine go to us? When, as many say, that we needed to help Kharkiv, when Yanukovych was there and, accordingly, Yanukovych too, and he was then the current president of Ukraine. In principle, this is not possible. We suppose we help Yanukovych, and thus preserve the integrity of Ukraine, and then we could completely forget about Crimea.
                1. -1
                  6 2021 June
                  Quote: Achilles
                  How could all of Ukraine go to us?

                  You really Do not understand How Ukraine could join the Russian Federation or are you laughing, making fun of me? Well, sorry! The one who doesn't want understand and admit that never "does not understand" and does not recognize!
                  Check out Bayard below!
                2. -7
                  6 2021 June
                  Quote: Achilles
                  How could all of Ukraine go to us?

                  The comrade is delusional.
              3. -1
                6 2021 June
                Is she all needed with a ton of Banderlog?
                1. -2
                  6 2021 June
                  Quote: Incvizitor
                  Is she all needed with a ton of Banderlog?

                  Are you an enemy of Russia or nothing Do not understand?
              4. -4
                6 2021 June
                Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                could not only New Russia leave, but all of Ukraine?

                Where such confidence? Center, East and South of Ukraine in 2014 one-time issued more than 30 battalions in the ATO. West - 6. And the volunteers!
                1. +1
                  7 2021 June
                  "the number of battalions per unit of territory" is like a "spherical horse in a vacuum", in general, neither population density nor natural migration is taken into account, and even the level of "maydanity" does not show, because one radical baht from the west can cost (in terms of the negative ) tens of baht from the center. so not an indicator ...
                2. +1
                  7 2021 June
                  Can you recall the methods of forming these battalions?
                  About the role of Kolomoisky, who was the governor of Dnepropetrovsk?
                  How the pre-trial detention center was emptied by half or more (to the question of whom it was formed from).
                  Where it was formed, it was formed there.
                  And they formed it in such a way as to TIE IN BLOOD and force the Russians to kill the Russians.
            2. 0
              6 2021 June
              Quote: Achilles
              then Crimea would not have gone to us

              What kind of psychology is this ... "market" - to snatch \ grab \ they \ we ... Russia is:
              - Great Russia,
              - Little Russia,
              - New Russia,
              - White Russia ,
              - Red Russia,
              - Slobozhanshchina (Kharkiv region) - also Rus-Russia,
              - Cossack Stan (Region of the Ural and Semirechensky Troops) - also Russia-Russia.
              What kind of separatism and khataskraism?
              What kind of "fencing" of the indigenous Russian lands ?!
              In 2014, Russia had a historic chance to finally resolve the issue of territorial division and fragmentation. Reunification of the Russian People.
              Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
              And you did not think that not only New Russia, but all of Ukraine could withdraw?

              I could! Then ALL Ukraine could return to the United Russian World.
              And then other integration processes (the Eurasian Union, BRICS, etc.) would have gone much easier (now they are ALL stopped), because it would be obvious to everyone that "RUSSIANS ARE NOT ABUSING THEM."
              And so from the times of those opportunities, only a wonderful song remained.
              Under which the Russian troops entered the Crimea.
              One step forward and two steps back ... this is the so-called "Snake Step".
              But this is not a Russian step.
          3. +1
            6 2021 June
            was it not transferred to Kiev in 1934?
            1. 0
              6 2021 June
              After the war, Kharkov was again for some time, until Kiev was restored.
              And it doesn't matter - very young (by historical standards) Ukraine has always had two capitals. And to move the capital at the time of suppressing the riot and unrest was a completely logical decision.
              But there was no support.
              It was different.
              And this must be corrected.
              The Russian Federation in this form (composition of land and having lost at least a third of the population) will not resist modern challenges and threats.
              It's time to gather ALL RUSSIA into a fist.
              1. +1
                7 2021 June
                The Russian Federation in this form (composition of land and having lost at least a third of the population) will not resist modern challenges and threats.
                Of course it will not resist. The people are disunited and no one wants to fight for the welfare of the oligarchs, whom you don't ask. Not everyone understands this is another matter.
                It's time to gather ALL RUSSIA into a fist.
                She is already in the fist of the oligarchs and crushes this fist the blood and sweat from us. They are not indifferent to the fate of the Russian Federation, they are not indifferent to the fate of their wallet. And the "them" wallet is controlled by the United States.
          4. 0
            6 2021 June
            That's right, it didn’t give any gain, but it showed the whole world that we are schnicks and pussies.
            1. -2
              6 2021 June
              "If a fight is inevitable, hit first. The weak are hit." - said one well-known politician ...
              And showed weakness.
              And they beat Russia.
              And it could and should have been different.
            2. -5
              6 2021 June
              Quote: sala7111972
              it didn’t give any gain, but it showed the whole world that we are schnicks and pussies

              In terms of the dough taken out by someone abroad? -I agree.
          5. +7
            6 2021 June
            They missed Ukraine not in 2013, but alas, much earlier.
            1. +2
              6 2021 June
              Virtually no one was involved in Ukraine, Belarus, or the Russians who remained abroad.
              But in 2014, the Russian Federation had a golden chance to become Russia again, not only in name.
          6. -1
            7 2021 June
            In my amateurish opinion, they didn't love anything, they just sold it. Sold for the safety of their accounts, for the cloudless study of the offspring at Oxford and Harvard. Are the analysts in the presidential administration and the defense ministry really that bad? There are excellent analysts and intelligence at altitude. But the wallet is closer to the body.
      2. +8
        6 2021 June
        Quote: Egoza
        And in this case, I support Zhirinovsky. It was possible, if not "to do away with the country", then to annex most of it. And needless to say that the center and the ZU were opposed to Russia. Yes, the same Kharkov, Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk and a number of others would have supported, and they would have got rid of the Natsiks.

        And in the end, it would have turned out to be less in financial cost! I didn't have to build a Crimean bridge, shipbuilding, metallurgy, aviation enterprises ... Yes, what can I remember now ... Jamb V, V, P, definitely, the same as with the pension reform ... Such jambs are very difficult to forgive ... ...
        1. -2
          6 2021 June
          The water is wet, the grass is green ...
        2. +1
          6 2021 June
          ... Jamb V, V, P, definitely


          Sometimes it seems to me that Putin is not even the chairman of the board of directors of Bourgeois of Russia OJSC. Something like a security chief, nothing more. And decisions of this magnitude are not made by him. Voiced - yes, Putin.
          1. -7
            6 2021 June
            Quote: dauria
            ... Jamb V, V, P, definitely


            Sometimes it seems to me that Putin is not even the chairman of the board of directors of Bourgeois of Russia OJSC. Something like a security chief, nothing more. And decisions of this magnitude are not made by him. Voiced - yes, Putin.

            So it is, and probably not only in our country, but for the most part everywhere.
            1. -1
              6 2021 June
              The whole Kremlin and the bureaucrats are compradors. They earn here and live there. And there was no shanyazh for gas. They just said that I would take everything over the hill from them and the children. And they fucked up
              1. -1
                6 2021 June
                Yes, open your eyes minus. All laws are passed only to the detriment. Resource incomes to the population unlike other countries ... taxes are the highest in the world. I'm not talking about physics. They worry about theirs. Yes, forbid the deputies to travel over the hill and that's it. Only patriots will remain
            2. -3
              6 2021 June
              Not a single Russian official works for the good of the state. Only harm
          2. +2
            6 2021 June
            Quote: dauria
            Sometimes it seems to me,

            Have you tried to be baptized? Yes
        3. Quote: 30 vis
          Quote: Egoza
          And in this case, I support Zhirinovsky. It was possible, if not "to do away with the country", then to annex most of it. And needless to say that the center and the ZU were opposed to Russia. Yes, the same Kharkov, Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk and a number of others would have supported, and they would have got rid of the Natsiks.

          And in the end, it would have turned out to be less in financial cost! I didn't have to build a Crimean bridge, shipbuilding, metallurgy, aviation enterprises ... Yes, what can I remember now ... Jamb V, V, P, definitely, the same as with the pension reform ... Such jambs are very difficult to forgive ... ...

          Simple as that. Yes, the Ukrainian elites would gladly welcome Russian raiders. The argument in the form of tank divisions behind them is certainly a powerful thing. The villagers would welcome the invaders with enthusiasm. What, jarring from the term "occupation"? Well, call it the Liberation Crusade, business. Like, we are going to liberate the fraternal people from natsYstov, yeah. Read the comments - a good half of the local "adherents" consider Ukrainians to be worthless, stupid Untermenschs who need the paternal care of a genetic relative standing at an undoubtedly higher evolutionary stage. laughing
          A funny antipode of Barbarossa - then one nation took on the role of liberator from the yoke of Bolshevism. And under this sauce it expanded the Lebensraum. And then there is total nonsense about 'destroy', 'capture', stir up a war in the geographical center of Europe, squeeze assets from the national elite, return 40 million to the imperial stall with vague prospects.
          1. +2
            6 2021 June
            ... And then there is total nonsense about 'destroy', 'capture', stir up a war in the geographical center of Europe, squeeze assets from the national elite, return 40 million to the imperial stall with vague prospects.


            Why nonsense? Humanity, especially the civilized European, is the only thing that has been doing throughout history. ... Including now. Is this news to you? Yugoslavia with Iraq, Syria and Libya were forgotten ... Peter the Great tore the Baltic from the Swedes. Two hundred years later, the Germans tore it away from Russia in World War I, creating "countries" with bayonets. Then the USSR tore it off again, then it was torn off from it. Ah, "independents"? Okay, the oligarchs of the Russian Federation would have left the name "Ukraine", what a question ... laughing Only, you see, they didn't need it. Not the same "oligarchy" we have, toothless. Not mature enough to the British with the Americans.
            1. Quote: dauria
              Why nonsense? Humanity, especially the civilized European, is the only thing that has been doing throughout history. ... Including now. Is this news to you? Yugoslavia with Iraq, Syria and Libya have been forgotten ...

              And, that is, "is this the norm," as one television ass says? Well, that certainly changes things, yes.
          2. -3
            6 2021 June
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Yes, the Ukrainian elites would gladly welcome Russian raiders.

            How you would have met - you can see in the Donbass.
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Read the comments - a good half of the local 'adherents' consider Ukrainians worthless, stupid Untermensch who need

            So they are so about everyone! That is why the Russian Federation remained with whom? Luke and he dodges
          3. 0
            7 2021 June
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            a good half of the local "adherents" consider Ukrainians to be worthless, stupid Untermenschs who need the paternal care of a genetic relative who is at an undoubtedly higher evolutionary stage.

            But this is true.
            More precisely, it was true before the Maidan, now they have been reborn into viciously aggressive genetic Russophobes - even the term was invented by "non-brothers".
      3. +11
        6 2021 June
        I absolutely agree with Zhirinovsky. In 2014, they could put Yanukovych on armor and drive from Kharkov through Kiev to Chop. The Ukrainian Armed Forces at that time were not Nazi formations, and as the Crimean events showed, they easily went over to the side of the Russian Armed Forces. Moreover, they would have supported the legally elected legitimate President Yanukovych, would have grabbed the Eurofashiks, and there would never have been a Nazi Ukraine.
        And we would receive and receive sanctions this way and that, regardless of our actions or inaction.
        This is worse than a crime. This is mistake. (C) Napoleon.
        1. -2
          6 2021 June
          Quote: Bearded
          I absolutely agree with Zhirinovsky. In 2014, they could put Yanukovych on armor and drive from Kharkov through Kiev to Chop. The Ukrainian Armed Forces at that time were not Nazi formations, and as the Crimean events showed, they easily went over to the side of the Russian Armed Forces. Moreover, they would have supported the legally elected legitimate President Yanukovych, would have grabbed the Eurofashiks, and there would never have been a Nazi Ukraine.
          And we would receive and receive sanctions this way and that, regardless of our actions or inaction.
          This is worse than a crime. This is mistake. (C) Napoleon.

          There are many comments like yours in VO, there are so many stupid people, so you can explain if we supported Yanukovych then and he would return power, then on what basis Crimea returned to us, in fact there would not have been a coup d'etat. Can you answer?
          1. +1
            6 2021 June
            We returned Crimea, and lost ALL of Ukraine. That's the whole answer.
            1. +4
              6 2021 June
              Quote: Bearded
              We returned Crimea, and lost ALL of Ukraine. That's the whole answer.

              Suppose we help Yanukovych, he is the legitimate president at that time, and thereby restore the previous power, and after that there is no reason for a referendum in Crimea, and even more so for all or partial Ukraine to join Russia. Then, through the elections or the next elections, someone like Poroshenko comes to power, and then you can generally forget about Crimea. I think Putin did everything right, we were not ready, not economically or physically, for the annexation of a part of Ukraine.
              1. 0
                6 2021 June
                After the restoration of Yanukovych to power, overthrown as a result of a coup d'etat organized by the CIA, a third participant would appear in the union state, who would be determined to integrate with the Russian Federation much more resolutely than Father.
              2. -2
                6 2021 June
                Quote: Achilles
                and thus we restore the old power

                Would not restore
          2. -3
            6 2021 June
            Quote: Achilles
            can you explain if we supported Yanukovych then and he would have returned power, then on what basis Crimea returned to us,

            Everything is simple here! If Janek climbed on the tank, then all of Ukraine would have rushed - by the 14th year everyone had just idiosyncrasy at him. Only the lazy did not scold him.
            What would go to Janek, and this is Kharkov (?), Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporozhye, Kherson, Nikolaev, Odessa (?) And Crimea. About other areas - more likely no than yes. In this structure, the semi-Ukraine would be under the protectorate of the Russian Federation. Crimea would be included in this formation.
        2. -1
          6 2021 June
          Quote: Bearded
          could put Yanukovych on the armor

          But Yanukovych didn't want to ride on armor, for some reason request
      4. -9
        6 2021 June
        A more subtle game is going on here, the population of ukroindia must gulp down a spoonful of everything that is happening now, and then Russia enters the scene, then the support of the population will be maximum, and then there were still many ukrozombies, now many have sober up, there is no need to rush things, haste is needed in two well-known cases.
        1. +1
          6 2021 June
          Quote: Model101
          There's a finer game going on here,

          Ja, Ja. Chitry Plan! laughing
        2. +7
          6 2021 June
          Nobody overshoots anything, the people, as a rule, are passive.
          Especially if you tell him constantly who is to blame for this type.
          Here, for example, the "State Department" does not allow to live richly, etc.
        3. +1
          6 2021 June
          Quote: Model101
          the population of ukroindia should gulp down a full spoonful of everything that is happening now, and then Russia enters the scene, then the support of the population will be maximum, and then there were still many ukrozombies, now many have sober up, there is no need to rush things, haste is needed in two known cases ...

          I want to believe ! But, ordinary people adapt to any circumstances .... get used to it. start to believe propaganda. just trying to survive in the end. save children and elderly relatives ... But there is no way to wait for a hero, genius, savior of the people from the upper circles of Ukraine ...
          1. Quote: 30 vis
            And the hero, genius, savior of the people, from the top of the Ukrainian can not wait.

            Apparently, you see in Putin the "hero, genius and savior of the people", who has been awaited from the Russian top? laughing And now the shadow of his genius must fall on Ukraine?
            1. +1
              6 2021 June
              Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Apparently, do you see in Putin a "hero, genius and savior of the people" who has been awaited from the Russian leadership? And now the shadow of his genius must fall on Ukraine?

              It is you, so you wanted to understand what I have written. I was talking about a native of Ukraine! - ". And the hero, genius, savior of the people, from the top of the Ukrainian can not wait" ... understandable. chi no ...? Or sho. sho ???
              1. Quote: 30 vis
                chi no ...? Or sho. sho ???

                Sorry, I do not understand your bird language. You are, judging by the passages, from the joiner sect, aren't you? Thus, I concluded that since Ukraine is sterile in terms of geniuses, heroes and saviors, then Comrade Putin should act as such. Yes, yes, only the hero and the savior will return the lost Ukrainians to the stall and carefully fence them off from the damned west with an iron curtain. For safety, so to speak. There's something biblical about it, yeah laughing
        4. -1
          6 2021 June
          Quote: Model101
          A more subtle game is going on here, the population of ukroindia must gulp down a spoonful of everything that is happening now, and then Russia enters the scene, then the support of the population will be maximum, and then there were still many ukrozombies, now many have sober up, there is no need to rush things, haste is needed in two well-known cases.

          What's going on with them? Starving?
        5. +2
          6 2021 June
          Quote: Model101
          A more subtle game is going on here, the population of ukroindia must gulp down a spoonful of everything that is happening now, and then Russia enters the scene, then the support of the population will be maximum, and then there were still many ukrozombies, now many have sober up, there is no need to rush things, haste is needed in two well-known cases.


          The window of opportunity is gone .... the population, of course, is "sipping" in full, but will silently endure, the example of the HLE is very vivid, when even their supporters could not be taken to the streets (after the closure of TV channels, the law on language, etc.), or the example of Odessa On May 2, 2014, when the majority simply closed their eyes ... therefore, the fate of the Russian-speaking citizens of the Baltic region will repeat itself, only this time in Ukraine. But these are the coming decades ... and then there will be Poland 2.0 - a new generation of people who do not know the Russian language and do not associate themselves with Russia in any way.
          1. Quote: Aleksandr21
            and do not associate themselves with Russia in any way.

            and now they associate? Russia, according to the Ukrainian man in the street, took away Crimea and instigated a civil war in the east. For him, they wrote the history of Ukraine from the Mesozoic to the present day with hilarious pretentious delirium to increase national self-esteem - that's what he associates himself with.
            1. +5
              6 2021 June
              Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              and now they associate? Russia, according to the Ukrainian man in the street, took away Crimea and instigated a civil war in the east. For him, they wrote the history of Ukraine from the Mesozoic to the present day with hilarious pretentious delirium to increase national self-esteem - that's what he associates himself with.


              The Ukrainian man in the street is also different, the Western and Central parts of Ukraine - as if they do not associate themselves with Russia in any way: culturally / linguistically / politically, they are closer to the West and Poland in particular, but with the South-East of Ukraine (Odessa, Kharkov, etc.) here everything is not so simple, there are cultural / linguistic / historical ties, of course, Ukrainization is bearing fruit, but you also need to understand that it is dangerous to openly express your opinion (about the support of Russia, etc.), punished by the Criminal Code of Ukraine, therefore, the exact number of Russian-speaking citizens of Ukraine who somehow associate themselves with Russia (through language / culture / support the Russian point of view on the events of 2014, etc.) is difficult to name, but they exist ... it's another matter that the mentality is different than near the western part of Ukraine, i.e. there is no need to wait for protests and Maidan. But with young people, of course, the question ... on the one hand, it supports nationalistic views and the Ukrainian language, on the other hand, a huge part of this audience consumes Russian-language content (YouTube, tik-tok + social networks) and by the age of 30-40, which her views will be an open question ... I see here 2 options for the future of Ukraine: 1) Ukraine will build Poland 2.0 throughout the country (not in terms of economy, everything is sad here, but in terms of mentality ... nationalistic views are Ukrainian mova - idea: anti-Russia), 2) the southeastern regions of Ukraine, wake up and start fighting for their rights (speak Russian, watch the content they like (remember the story with the closure of opposition channels), etc. and then either there will be a compromise between Ukraine and Russia and the normalization of relations, or there will be a split of Ukraine into several parts .... maybe there will be some other option, history will show.
              1. -2
                7 2021 June
                Quote: Aleksandr21
                ) Southeast regions of Ukraine, wake up

                Will not wake up
                Quote: Aleksandr21
                and then either there will be a compromise between Ukraine and Russia and the normalization of relations, or there will be a split in Ukraine

                There will be no compromise in the near future, a split now and further, all the more so.
          2. -2
            7 2021 June
            Quote: Aleksandr21
            the example with HLE is very vivid

            Very much! In the elections, they took less than 12% throughout Ukraine.
        6. -2
          6 2021 June
          Quote: Model101
          Here is a more subtle game, the population of ukroindia must sip a full spoonful of everything that is going on with them now

          Thinking well? During this time, a society opposed to Russia is being formed. Now the share of such people is about 50%. There will be more later
      5. +2
        6 2021 June
        Quote: Egoza
        And in this case, I support Zhirinovsky. It was possible, if not "to do away with the country", then to annex most of it. And needless to say that the center and the ZU were opposed to Russia. Yes, the same Kharkov, Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk and a number of others would have supported, and they would have got rid of the Natsiks.

        You are delusional, then we would have undermined economically, we have now largely switched to our own production and then not in everything, but then, in general, in this regard, it was bad, + 100% disconnected from SWIFT, and this is a complete collapse, this is now with us there is an alternative. And this topic was a lot of programs and many economists said so.
        1. Quote: Achilles
          You are delusional, then we would have undermined economically, we have now largely switched to our own production and then not in everything, but then, in general, in this regard, it was bad, + 100% disconnected from SWIFT, and this is a complete collapse, this is now with us there is an alternative. And this topic was a lot of programs and many economists said so.

          Nothing, business ... But Kim Jong-un would have liked it. Welcome, they say, to the new (crossed out) old wondrous world.
    2. +12
      6 2021 June
      In 2014, Putin made the mistake of limiting himself to annexing Crimea. But he had the opportunity to do away with Ukraine.


      Yes, "opened America to us," Vladimir Folfovich. As if we didn’t know this, or at least we didn’t know about it.
      1. 0
        6 2021 June
        You, what is it? Have you decided to criticize the Greatest Multi-Walker? He's never wrong! This is the greatest grandmaster in the world political arena! And with Ukraine this is such a HSP - everyone knows about it and approves ... Yes
      2. AUL
        +5
        6 2021 June
        Quote: PiK
        Yes, "opened America to us," Vladimir Folfovich.

        But what a sharp, merciless and impartial criticism of the authorities! Well, Volfych, well, a fierce oppositionist! Come on, burn on! laughing
    3. +9
      6 2021 June
      Fundamental mistake - bet on Yanukovych, who was unsuitable for this
      1. +4
        6 2021 June
        And what - was there or is there someone suitable in Tsegabonia? what
        1. +3
          6 2021 June
          Quote: Avior
          Fundamental mistake - bet on Yanukovych, who was unsuitable for this

          Quote: paul3390
          And what - was there or is there someone suitable in Tsegabonia? what

          Ukraine is large and vast, but there is no peace or harmony in it, due to the lack of adequate and responsible elites.

          CHOMU BIDNI? BO DURNI. CHOMU DURNI? BO BIDNI...
        2. -1
          6 2021 June
          In Russia, some say, there is only one - the only one suitable for the whole vast Russia, so the question is - if not him, then who ?!
          And Ukraine will be smaller ...
          1. -3
            7 2021 June
            Quote: Avior
            only one - the only one suitable for the whole vast Russia was found

            And they don't know, maybe they can die with him laughing "No Putin, no Russia" - Volodin
      2. +8
        6 2021 June
        You shouldn't blame your mistakes on someone else. The most principled you and I made a mistake in 1991. After this mistake, everything only got worse.
      3. Quote: Avior
        Fundamental mistake - bet on Yanukovych, who was unsuitable for this

        This vegetable had a qualification of legitimacy - this is its only political asset.
        1. -2
          6 2021 June
          No, I'm talking about the first bet, in 2004.
          And then everything went on a curve
          1. Quote: Avior
            No, I'm talking about the first bet, in 2004.
            And then everything went on a curve

            ah, it is clear what you mean. The creature is, of course, bespontovaya. However, the Kremlin was never particularly distinguished by its political aesthetics. But to accept Bokassa as a pioneer is sacred laughing
            1. -2
              6 2021 June
              Fortunately, he took especially delicious sorts of meat with him from his homeland, so in Artek he did not eat anyone during the ceremony, the children were in danger :))))
      4. -3
        7 2021 June
        Quote: Avior
        bet on Yanukovych,

        People chose Yanukovych, what does the bet have to do with it? He immediately did not want to climb on the tank - this is a no brainer. Simply I had to work with the population of Ukraine since 2000!! Like Americans! - But this is not "our method" laughing
        They disdain to talk with their population, but here are some Ukrainians. So we did it to the fullest
    4. +12
      6 2021 June
      You are 100% right. Putin could not do anything !!! Just he IMMEDIATELY SHOULD TELL THE PEOPLE THAT THE STATE DECEPT DECLINE AND THAT RUSSIA DOESN'T RECOGNIZE TERORISTS AND AGENTS OF THE WESTERN WHO TOLD THE POWER IN UKRAINE !!!
      1. Quote: Wolf
        Just he IMMEDIATELY SHOULD TELL THE PEOPLE THAT THE STATE DECEPT DECLINE AND THAT RUSSIA DOESN'T RECOGNIZE TERORISTS AND AGENTS OF THE WEST WHO TOLD THE AUTHORITIES IN UKRAINE !!!

        Well, I would say - and then what? Is this an indulgence to send troops into the territory of a neighboring sovereign state to restore constitutional order? Or occupation? Like, he explained to the people, the people were eating, can we push the tanks?
        1. 0
          6 2021 June
          Why is that so? To recognize Novorossia as the true Ukraine, to sign a military alliance, and - to bring its provisions into effect to protect an ally subjected to external aggression .. Everything seems to be logical and legitimate ..
          1. Quote: paul3390
            To recognize Novorossia as the true Ukraine

            laughing
            funny joke. It's like recognizing the testicles as a "real organism", giving them a name, surname and passport, making amendments to your anatomical atlas, putting a bolt on the opinion of other physiologists.
            Quote: paul3390
            Everything seems logical and legitimate ..

            "Like," yeah.
            Quote: paul3390
            exposed to external aggression

            Whose is it?
            1. 0
              6 2021 June
              I look - you are generally a funny person, show your finger - you laugh .. laughing
              1. Quote: paul3390
                I see - you are generally a funny person,

                And, that is, this is:
                Quote: paul3390
                To recognize Novorossia as the true Ukraine, to sign a military alliance, and - to bring its provisions into effect to protect an ally subjected to external aggression ..

                was not a joke?
                Quote: paul3390
                show your finger - laughing ..

                If you, like Chekhov's Khryukin, show a bitten finger with a serious expression on your face, then this is ridiculous. laughing
          2. -3
            7 2021 June
            Quote: paul3390
            To recognize Novorossia as the true Ukraine

            Would the population of Novorossiya agree?
    5. +5
      6 2021 June
      Absolutely agree! It was necessary to crush the nits in her lair, in Lvov!
      1. +3
        6 2021 June
        Quote: Finches
        It was necessary to crush the nits in her lair, in Lvov!

        I wonder what is in Lviv so that it
        Quote: Finches
        crush

        ?
        Absolutely nothing.
        All decisions are made in the center of Ukraine, and the financial and economic center is east, south.
        Lviv is not included in the decision-making center.
        It's like putting pressure not on Moscow, but pressure on Tver .... Well, just because propaganda made Tver a "source of problems"
        1. -3
          6 2021 June
          You are mistaken! hi The solution center may be in Kiev, but the root of all evil is in Lviv!
          1. -1
            7 2021 June
            Quote: Finches
            The solution center may be in Kiev, but the root of all evil is in Lviv!

            Complete ignorance of Ukraine!
      2. -2
        6 2021 June
        Almost all presidents of Ukraine are Russian-speaking and have nothing to do with Lviv
        Of the Ukrainian speakers, only Yushchenko and Kravchuk, and even then they were far from Lviv.
        Poroshenko, Kuchma, Yanukovych, Zelensky - everyone has a native language - Russian.
        But how did it happen that at the same time Ukraine and Russia have an acute conflict - this is a separate conversation
        1. -2
          6 2021 June
          That’s not the point! Even a negro of advanced years can be the president - the infection comes from the Western region!
          1. +1
            6 2021 June
            It's just that nothing goes anywhere
            This is a reaction to Yanukovych
            I got a situation, at least three times you do not support the nationalists, but if you are against Yanukovych, then with them.
            And vice versa
          2. -3
            7 2021 June
            Quote: Finches
            the infection comes from the Western region!

            Do not disgrace
            1. 0
              7 2021 June
              Can you object? Even if you remove the historical and philosophical context from my commentary, you can easily make sure that the original places of residence of the infection are all that is west of Vinnytsia and Zhitomir. With capitals: Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk, Ternopil! Where did they come from, especially in the last 20 years, to assimilate to the primordially Russian lands in Kiev and further to the East, imposing their Raguli-Western ideology on the eternally offended! And they imposed it!
    6. -7
      6 2021 June
      Quote: knn54
      Putin had one mistake - the recognition of the legitimacy of Poroshenko

      Poroshenko - it was already too late. Project "Novorossiya", IMHO, killed the Strelkov. He was a "crystallizer" in a supersaturated solution, and allowed at least somehow "legitimize" the use of the army on the territory of his own country. This was the point of bifurcation, after which the "military scenario" began to develop rapidly, and by the way, maybe ... Scold anyone for not taking Mariupol? Were there reserves for this? The front is already stretched to the limit. Would occupy the city, but keep it? How to keep a city with a population of almost half a million? When the entire DPR corps at that time did not amount to 40 thousand. At the front 400 km? If there were at least a few battalions in reserve, they would have occupied.
      1. +15
        6 2021 June
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Project "Novorossiya", IMHO, killed Strelkov.

        What are you? !!! belay And in my opinion, Strelkov created this project.
        And the Russian spring was merged in the Kremlin
        1. 0
          6 2021 June
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          What are you? !!! belay And in my opinion, Strelkov created this project.

          "Creator is not a creator request ", but the fact that Strelkov's detachment in Slavyansk became a" trigger ", a signal for an armed struggle against an attempt to subjugate Donbass by force by Kiev, is perhaps an indisputable fact.
          1. +10
            6 2021 June
            Nobody argues with this. request But if armed resistance had not been organized, then in the Donbass there would be an analogue of Odessa and Kharkov. The same fact.
            1. +1
              6 2021 June
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              request But if armed resistance had not been organized, then in the Donbass there would be an analogue of Odessa and Kharkov. The same fact.

              On May 9, 2014, in Mariupol, there was just an analogue of Odessa, with the burning of the Ministry of Internal Affairs department, which refused to obey Kiev, by the forces of punitive battalions.
              The same drama as in Odessa on May 2, only with a stalk and armored vehicles, unfolding over a wider area.

              1. -4
                6 2021 June
                Where is this smoke from the fire?
              2. +1
                6 2021 June
                I was talking to a woman whose husband died in this flame ... They shot and burned the Mariupol policemen ... .. So. casually. like fascists ..
                1. 0
                  7 2021 June
                  Quote: 30 vis
                  I was talking to a woman whose husband died in this flame ... They shot and burned the Mariupol policemen ... .. So. casually. like fascists ..

                  So the fascists are - "Azov" ...
            2. Quote: Ingvar 72
              Nobody argues with this. request But if armed resistance had not been organized, then in the Donbass there would be an analogue of Odessa and Kharkov. The same fact.

              What's wrong with Kharkov? What groans under the yoke of the Kiev Nazis? Is the damned junta outraged?
            3. +1
              6 2021 June
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              But if armed resistance had not been organized, then in the Donbass there would be an analogue of Odessa and Kharkov. The same fact.

              as well as the fact that there were 50 people killed, and 15 thousand of them .... and continues to grow.
              Without a goal, simply because the status quo is beneficial.
              Is the gray zone without a future worth 15 thousand victims?
              1. 0
                7 2021 June
                Quote: Black Lotos
                Is the gray zone without a future worth 15 thousand victims?

                You have to ask this in the Kremlin.
        2. +2
          6 2021 June
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          What are you? !!! And in my opinion, Strelkov created this project.
          And the Russian spring was merged in the Kremlin

          The Novorossiya project had nothing to do with Strelkov. It was a political movement, and even a leader was nominated. Tsarev. However, when the shooting began, the rallies ended.
          1. +5
            6 2021 June
            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            However, when the shooting began, the rallies ended.

            Tell the Kharkiv residents this.
        3. for
          0
          6 2021 June
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          What are you? !!! And in my opinion, Strelkov created this project.
          And the Russian spring was merged in the Kremlin

          The Kremlin has created and it has merged, upon achieving the goals it needs.
        4. 0
          7 2021 June
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          In my opinion, Strelkov created this project.

          So Strelkov himself said that by his act he wanted to provoke the Kremlin to take action in Ukraine
      2. ANB
        -7
        6 2021 June
        ... Project "Novorossiya", IMHO, killed Strelkov. He was a "crystallizer" in a supersaturated solution, and allowed at least somehow "legitimize" the use of the army on the territory of his own country.

        Totally agree with you. I spoke about this back in 2014, when Strelkov rolled out his Nona. And the Armed Forces of Ukraine had, albeit with a stretch, the right to use heavy weapons. That is why they pulled it out later, so that the water would not muddy.
        1. +1
          6 2021 June
          Quote: ANB
          Totally agree with you. I spoke about this back in 2014, when Strelkov rolled out his Nona. And the Armed Forces of Ukraine had, albeit with a stretch, the right to use heavy weapons.

          Shit fellow And where did Strelkov get this "Nona"?
          Do not remind? Did he "squeeze" it from the Ukrainian Armed Forces?

          And then what heavy weapons Did the APU do in Donbass? "They just brought it" ??? With nothing to do?
          1. ANB
            -2
            6 2021 June
            ... Did he "squeeze" it from the Ukrainian Armed Forces?

            Try to squeeze an SPG or just a howitzer from a Russian Army unit. At the beginning of the conflict, the APU was not in the mood to fight. The Nazis were screwing everything up.
          2. -2
            6 2021 June
            Yes, just amazing. What is doing, for example, heavy weapons in the Kaliningrad region? Just like that or out of nothing to do?
            1. 0
              7 2021 June
              Quote: Iron Felix
              Yes, just amazing. What is doing, for example, heavy weapons in the Kaliningrad region? Just like that or out of nothing to do?

              In the Kaliningrad region, our units with their standard weapons are stationed on a permanent basis to ensure the defense of the region, and in Slavyansk, in the district of which there have never been such units - the entire horde of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with tanks and artillery, pressed against one goal - to force the rebellious region to recognize the power of Kiev ...

              Isn't the difference obvious?
              1. -1
                7 2021 June
                Again twenty-five. Peskov, for example, recently said that Russia has the right to move troops within the country's territory at its discretion. Why, then, Kiev can not be kept, moved, etc. troops where it reads necessary?
        2. +1
          6 2021 June
          And of course they would have stood and left?
          Well, like there is no reason to use weapons, let’s go and leave?
          1. ANB
            0
            6 2021 June
            ... And of course they would have stood and left?
            Well, like there is no reason to use weapons, let’s go and leave?

            Yes, that would have happened in the end.
            They would just stand. They would not dare to shoot against a peaceful man (if there is no armed resistance, then when shooting they would be shot up ******). There would be problems with the locals. Would have kicked up to stand and do nothing and left.
            Two girls worked hardest against the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Infected the company with gonorrhea and disappeared. :)
            1. 0
              6 2021 June
              Hmm.
              Would have gone, of course, logic and history dictates that no one is going anywhere.
              Give examples of such a development of events in similar situations
              1. ANB
                +1
                6 2021 June
                ... Would have gone of course, logic and history dictates that no one is going anywhere.
                Give examples of such a development of events in similar situations

                So where would they go if nothing depended on their presence?
                These are their own troops, they have places of permanent deployment.
                Examples: all gains in Russia.
                The problems are over, everything is in place.
                PS. I don’t understand who will minus everyone in a row again. Normal discussion, no swearing. Corrected what I could.
                1. +2
                  6 2021 June
                  Well, you have an example! Gains !?
                  That is, you think that if someone declares insubordination / separation, etc., then we will stand and leave !?
                  Like let them live as they want?
                  1. ANB
                    0
                    6 2021 June
                    ... That is, you think that if someone declares insubordination / separation, etc., then we will stand and leave !?
                    Like let them live as they want?

                    1. Donbass to begin with did not recognize the coup.
                    2. Donbass initially asked not so much - to leave the Russian language, to remove Bandera from them and not to interfere with trade with Russia. Independence came later. (and it was Putin who asked not to get carried away with this at that time)
                    3. In Chechnya, all the locals have been in control for a long time. We agreed.

                    Well, what would the Armed Forces of Ukraine do in Donbass in a year? And two? Would you garrison and go on patrols? The then composition of the Armed Forces of Ukraine had a negative attitude towards the Nazis. At least they would not be protected. And the locals have dealt with them on the sly.
                    1. 0
                      6 2021 June
                      "3. In Chechnya, the locals have been in control for a long time. We agreed."

                      Something your logic is broken.
                      Or did they agree in Chechnya after standing up after hesitating and once agreeing?

                      No, there just at first 2 wars passed, and only then, and then during the second, "agreed".
                      1. ANB
                        0
                        6 2021 June
                        ... Or did they agree in Chechnya after standing up after hesitating and once agreeing?

                        In Chechnya, there was immediately armed resistance, with trained mercenaries with modern weapons.
                        Now imagine that the troops entered Chechnya, but there is no resistance.
                        How long would we keep them there with serious non-combat losses?
                      2. +1
                        7 2021 June
                        Serious non-combat losses?
                        The plague is there chtoli?
            2. 0
              6 2021 June
              Quote: ANB
              Yes, that would have happened in the end.
              They would just stand. They would not have dared to shoot against a civilian (if there was no armed resistance, then they would have been shot up ****** when shooting).

              Oh really? And the fact that Turchinov gave the order to bomb Donbass even BEFORE Strelkov appeared, do you not take this into account?
              1. ANB
                0
                6 2021 June
                ... Oh really? And the fact that Turchynov gave the order to bomb Donbass even BEFORE Strelkov appeared, do you not take this into account?

                I take into account, colleague. Those who came to power on the wave of the Maidan are still scumbags.
                But remember how they were smeared later, that there was no attack. Air conditioners were invented and so on.
                If you try to repeat it, it would be possible to send everything through the UN and land all the Ukrainian air forces without any sanctions.
                1. +4
                  6 2021 June
                  Who would let it pass through the UN?
                  They are like puppets of the West, and the veto in the UN is not only with us
                  1. ANB
                    -1
                    6 2021 June
                    ... Who would let it pass through the UN?
                    They are like puppets of the West, and the veto in the UN is not only with us

                    I agree. But they would have come up with something. And the blanks must have already been. Catch up on the wave, quickly destroy airfields and aircraft and then shout at every corner that this is the protection of the civilian population (referring to the same USA).
                    It is not for nothing that we got so overwhelmed in Kiev after the first time.
                    1. +1
                      7 2021 June
                      "to land all the Ukrainian air forces without any sanctions."

                      And what was the problem just and only in the Air Force?

                      "But they would have come up with something."

                      Past the veto in the UN you cannot imagine.
                      And without the UN, this is without the UN.
                      And actually, why didn't they come up with something?
            3. Quote: ANB
              Two girls worked hardest against the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Infected the company with gonorrhea and disappeared. :)

              Petrov and Boshirov before sex reassignment surgery? laughing
            4. Quote: ANB
              Yes, that would have happened in the end.

              no, they wouldn't. We would be engaged in a cleanup. But Ukraine, unlike Russia with its two Chechen wars, had no experience in suppressing a rebellion, moreover, inspired from the outside. They went on our rake, but in full confidence that the West will immediately fit in. These idiots believed that it was enough to call themselves the "European shaft", "the last frontier" and other pretentious crap - and NATO would rush to save Czech breweries, Amsterdam red lanterns, Berlin g.i-clubs and other European values ​​"in the distant approaches ".
              1. -1
                7 2021 June
                "But Ukraine, unlike Russia with its two Chechen wars."

                So we did not have it before.
                Appeared
            5. 0
              6 2021 June
              Quote: ANB
              Two girls worked hardest against the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Infected the company with gonorrhea and disappeared. :)

              Considering that this ailment is not transmitted by airborne droplets, infecting a whole company of a hundred people ... only for a true patriot this can be a heroic act. For normal, not so advanced people, such self-sacrifice is called a little differently. And few people want such heroines. in relatives, for example, to have. You seem to be proud of
      3. ANB
        -1
        6 2021 June
        ... Scold anyone for not taking Mariupol? Were there reserves for this? The front is already stretched to the limit. Would occupy the city, but keep it? How to keep a city with a population of almost half a million?

        It's not even just a matter of restraint. And how to feed the port city, which will immediately fall under the sanctions and the port will stand up?
        1. -2
          6 2021 June
          Well, with this approach, you don't need to start anything at all, money is needed everywhere.
          1. ANB
            +1
            6 2021 June
            ... Well, with this approach, you don't need to start anything at all, money is needed everywhere.

            The normal approach is to first calculate the consequences of all options and your resources to overcome the consequences, and then act.
            And not rush to do something if it seemed that right now it was cool.
            Crimea was read. For Donbass, it was considered that for Donetsk and Lugansk, somehow through gray schemes, the economy would be organized. After all, the most delicious mines and enterprises remained on the territory of the DPR and LPR.
            Well, you can't force the port to work through gray schemes.
            1. +4
              6 2021 June
              And someone said they say we don't abandon our own ...
              Well, as usual.
              And it turns out that the line of its own is determined by "the most delicious mines and enterprises."
              Clear
              1. ANB
                0
                6 2021 June
                ... And it turns out that the line of its own is determined by "the most delicious mines and enterprises."

                Their line runs along the border with Poland and Hungary. Western Ukraine also has its own.
                And this is the line of possibilities at that time.
                I also want a Gelik, but I go to the Grand Santafe.
                1. +2
                  6 2021 June
                  Well, then there is nothing to puff up on the Great slogans, if the possibilities are much smaller, and there will be no questions
                  1. ANB
                    0
                    6 2021 June
                    ... Well, then there is nothing to puff up on the Great slogans, if the possibilities are much smaller, and there will be no questions

                    So who puffs up? The plan to quickly comb Ukraine did not take off. Including because of Strelkov. Now there is a long game.
                    1. 0
                      6 2021 June
                      "So who puffs up?"

                      Don't watch TV?
                      1. ANB
                        -1
                        6 2021 June
                        ... Don't watch TV?

                        No, there is no time too much. I only have time to read VO. :)
                        And what's new there?
                      2. 0
                        7 2021 June
                        Sometimes, this is exactly what, if you accept your argument, it is not true
        2. 0
          6 2021 June
          Quote: ANB
          And how to feed the port city, which will immediately fall under the sanctions and the port will stand up?

          Therefore, the conversation is about Ukraine as a whole!
          1. Quote: 30 vis
            Therefore, the conversation is about Ukraine as a whole!

            And what would the occupation 'as a whole' give? Would you avoid sanctions? Seriously?
            1. ANB
              +1
              6 2021 June
              ... Would you avoid sanctions? Seriously?

              Also, a partisan war would have received without the ability to adequately respond to it. And everything was ready for her, it was not for nothing that the Maidan began with the seizure of weapons.
              1. -1
                6 2021 June
                Do you think that a great partisan war would have unfolded in Odessa, Kharkov, Nikolaev !?
                Seriously?
                1. Quote: Revival
                  Do you think that a great partisan war would have unfolded in Odessa, Kharkov, Nikolaev !?
                  Seriously?

                  Well, well, how do you imagine the occupation administration on the ground? Well, you fed those loyal to the new government - are you sure that there would be a majority of them? Syria in the center of Europe is wonderful, no words. Funny Euronews reports, how Ukrainian refugees at the Munich train station fight Arabs and Afghans in line for free soup?
                  Quote: Revival
                  Odessa, Kharkiv, Nikolaev

                  Interestingly, and the names of cities with a capital, not a capital one - is this an expression of contempt?
                  1. 0
                    6 2021 June
                    "I wonder if the names of cities are capitalized, not capitalized, are they such an expression of contempt?"

                    I wrote on the go, plus laziness of course)
                  2. 0
                    6 2021 June
                    "Well, you fed those loyal to the new government - are you sure that there would be a majority of them?"

                    Most are passive as a rule.
                    But the "lured" and would be separated from the rest of the aggressive minority
                2. ANB
                  -1
                  6 2021 June
                  ... Do you think that a great partisan war would have unfolded in Odessa, Kharkov, Nikolaev !?
                  Seriously?

                  Yes, I do. The aggressive minority, which was enough even in the East, would have drunk a lot of blood.
                  And what to do with them, caught?
                  1. 0
                    6 2021 June
                    “Yes, I think. The aggressive minority, which was enough even in the East, would have drunk a lot of blood.
                    And what to do with them, caught? ".

                    That is, the opposite side managed to take and control the Majority to this day, right?
                    And they seem to cope with the caught ones.

                    But with the minority, would it not work?
                    1. ANB
                      -1
                      6 2021 June
                      ... And they seem to cope with the caught ones.

                      But with the minority, would it not work?

                      They are their sons of bitches. And we are strangers.
                      Therefore, Ukraine is still behaving this way. And the pro-Russians did not initially belong to the aggressive part. So just intimidated. Plus extrajudicial killings from the Nazis.
                      Actually, most of the problems of modern Ukraine are due to the fact that the Maydauns were not particularly ready to gain power. And now they don't know what to do with it. They were trained to engage in resistance in the spirit of the Bandera after the Second World War. Everything was done right for Putin to send troops and get into a partisan war. With terrible losses of their own and the problem to punish adequately Natsik. There are more than 100 thousand of them there for sure and it is pointless to plant them. And such a number of executions cannot be tolerated.
                      As a result, Russia did not come to the war and thus broke all plans.
                      1. +1
                        7 2021 June
                        Clear.
                        In your opinion, our supporters are basically a slob, and we cannot suppress the resistance of an aggressive minority.

                        I do not agree.
              2. Quote: ANB
                They would also get a guerrilla war

                civil against the backdrop of foreign intervention. Well, partisan, of course. The noble would be a mess.
              3. 0
                7 2021 June
                Quote: ANB
                ... Would you avoid sanctions? Seriously?

                Also, a partisan war would have received without the ability to adequately respond to it. And everything was ready for her, it was not for nothing that the Maidan began with the seizure of weapons.

                I beg you ... partisans Kravchuk and Zelensky? And also the whole svidoukrokomarilla? The rich will run away, the neighbors will catch the idiots and lynch ... these "partisans" of yours are tired of the people living on the territory of the non-state Ukraine !!!
            2. +2
              6 2021 June
              Rather, also sanctions, but with great achievements.
              And so, the sanctions have already been received
            3. 0
              7 2021 June
              Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Quote: 30 vis
              Therefore, the conversation is about Ukraine as a whole!

              And what would the occupation 'as a whole' give? Would you avoid sanctions? Seriously?

              Not an occupation, but the restoration of historical justice .. Restoration of Ukrainian statehood! And there are already so many sanctions that mom don't cry.
          2. 0
            7 2021 June
            Quote: 30 vis
            Therefore, the conversation is about Ukraine as a whole!

            Forget it! For 30 years, children have already grown up and 2 young generations "against" have formed. Time is working for Ukraine. It's too late to drink Borjomi.
            And what can Russia offer? What model, sample? Permanent and unique and still under sanctions?
      4. -4
        6 2021 June
        Several battalions were missing !?
      5. -2
        7 2021 June
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Project "Novorossiya", IMHO, killed Strelkov.

        I often think about it, maybe you are right. The export of the revolution ends badly everywhere.
        1. 0
          7 2021 June
          For some reason, Comrade Stalin and his comrades ended up with a victory. It is not entirely true, they did not reach the beaches of Portugal and the island was not dug, but there was an objective, weighty, radioactive reason for that. And they settled life, in their own image and likeness, in half of Europe And today it suddenly ended badly. Well, Vissarionych would have slowed down on the borders of the USSR, why should he climb further to export socialism? After all, there are partisans and it is necessary to feed the population.
          It ends badly when a generation of nihilists comes, looking at a thief in a warehouse, a shopkeeper and a blacksmith with understanding and approval.
          Indeed, why should the baryzhy Kremlin decide something on the outskirts. They have a margin at the forefront, and the fact that the Nazis burn people alive has nothing to do with personal money.
    7. -1
      6 2021 June
      And if this is not a mistake, but a calculation? I would like to check the calculations and compare with the answer at the end of the book.
    8. +3
      6 2021 June
      Wolfovich was right, there was such a chance, now the train has left. ...
    9. +2
      6 2021 June
      Quote: knn54
      Putin's mistake was one - the recognition of the legitimacy of Poroshenko.
      Well, suppose it was a mistake. winked
      What do you think would fundamentally change if the Kremlin did not recognize its legitimacy? Would the US and the EU stop supporting Kiev and would not pursue the policy towards Russia that they have been pursuing all the years after the coup in Ukraine? Not.
      By and large, Moscow did not recognize those who were brought to power by the "saucepan" headed by a bloody pastor. Zhirinovsky speaks precisely during this period. It is clear that Poroshenko the same shit mo, but he was already dragged into power under the procedure of popular vote, that is, in Moscow they did not recognize his figure himself, but the result of the choice of the Ukrainians, which traditionally turned into zrada.
      P / S- but at the initial stage of "rEvolyutsii" yes, it was necessary to act in support of Vitka, who had not yet lost the possibility of using Ukrainian special forces, right up to the introduction of power units from Russia. A year later, Yanyk had re-elections and, to everyone's satisfaction, could be removed from the political arena with an attempt to seat a more pro-Russian politician on the throne.
    10. -2
      6 2021 June
      Quote: knn54
      Putin's mistake was one - recognition of legitimacy

      This is the second
    11. +1
      7 2021 June
      Quote: knn54
      Putin's mistake was one - the recognition of the legitimacy of Poroshenko.

      As the further development of events shows, the president does not make mistakes.
  2. +15
    6 2021 June
    And the option with the "Government in exile" was not used ....
    1. +19
      6 2021 June
      I agree - not to use such a smart trump card as the legitimate president of Ukraine is just a crime ..
      1. +5
        6 2021 June
        Quote: paul3390
        I agree - not to use such a smart trump card as the legitimate president of Ukraine is just a crime ..

        I do not agree.

        And to do this behind the backs of Russian soldiers is a crime. The greed for profit gave rise to softness in relation to the Nazi government. It was easier and safer to create unacceptable neighborhood conditions. There was no reason to delay the LPNR, who were simply eager to go to Russia. And making life attractive in one's own country would do much more for neighbors in terms of the desire to determine their own priorities and independence.
        ==========
        This haste of the Bialowieza Agreement will take a long time to regurgitate us. Yes
        1. +4
          6 2021 June
          And to do this behind the backs of Russian soldiers is a crime.

          And what does the Russian soldiers have to do with it? It was enough to recognize the Maidan people as putschists and separatists, and the newly formed Novorossia as a true Ukraine, headed by a legitimate president. With all the ensuing consequences. In fact, everything was done almost the other way around. On feijoa - only the radiant one knows .. Or maybe he doesn't know what he is doing ..
          1. 0
            6 2021 June
            Quote: paul3390
            It was enough to recognize the Maidan leaders as putschists and separatists, and the newly formed Novorossia as a true Ukraine, headed by a legitimate president.

            Only for this it was necessary to hold a referendum and somehow restrain those Bandera supporters who wanted a bloody massacre of Yanukovych for the duration of it.
            There was no time to prepare thoughtful decisions, and Yanukovych had no desire to lead the remaining Novorossiya.
            1. +4
              6 2021 June
              Who were interested in his desires at all ?? If you want shelter and a quiet pension, sign what they give. And in time - there was a car, because what was going on became extremely clear even during the first Maidan. It took 10 years to get ready.
              1. +2
                6 2021 June
                The Kremlin made a bet, as they sincerely believed then and continued to believe practically until today, "that loot wins everything." And Poroshenko miscalculated, by the way he was elected to support the Kremlin in the last legitimate elections, precisely as "pro-Russian". Perhaps they recognized him in the Kremlin, because they thought that in Ukraine, as in Russia, everything depends on the president and his entourage, and Poroshenko will surround himself with pro-Russian politicians and lead the situation in the direction the Kremlin needs. But it turned out that in Ukraine the president is, by and large, no one and his name is nothing. It is purely for show, and there are completely different forces to everyone, including the president, and they all rely on foreign, but not Russian, assistance.
                1. -2
                  6 2021 June
                  Quote: Snail N9
                  And Poroshenko miscalculated, by the way he was elected to support the Kremlin in the last legitimate elections, precisely as "pro-Russian"

                  wow .. what are the myths.
                  There was nothing pro-Russian about Poroshenko's presidential program.
                  The fact that he once sawed financial flows with Russian partners speaks of connections, but not of pro-Russianness.
                  He is a radically Ukrainian oligarchic president. Financial interest is at the forefront. And he is not national.
                  Well, in every speech he always spoke hysterically the word Russia or "Russian Federation" - the aggressor country ... This is probably also a pro-Russian position ...
                2. -2
                  7 2021 June
                  Quote: Snail N9
                  The Kremlin made a bet, as they sincerely believed then and continued to believe practically until today, "that loot wins everything."

                  It is rightly said, only the one who has more money
              2. -1
                7 2021 June
                Quote: paul3390
                If you want shelter and a quiet pension, sign what they give.

                And what happened? By the way, Janek wrote an appeal to Putin with a request to bring in our troops to restore order. This is a proven fact, but Yanek personally did not climb the armor and received asylum
              3. -1
                7 2021 June
                Quote: paul3390
                It took 10 years to get ready.

                And what did the Kremlin do? - Poured and poured money into the Ukrainian. elite, hoping to buy it. And there was someone who told that elite, "I will give a little, but I will keep about what you have" and that's it request In fact, an offer was made that could not be refused, and, moreover, there was support from below - America worked on the bottom.
          2. ANB
            -1
            6 2021 June
            ... It was enough to recognize the Maidan people as putschists and separatists, and the newly formed Novorossia as a true Ukraine, headed by a legitimate president.

            The idea was great and immediately suggested itself.
            Except for us, no one would think so. And the gas pipeline runs through western Ukraine.
            I think analysts have calculated the option and decided that the game is not worth the candle.
        2. +8
          6 2021 June
          So the fact that it gave rise to us is already across the throat and has long been a stone in the body. With the hucksters in power who determine how to live and what to strive for. All reasoning from the point of view of common sense comes across their considerations of margin and other personal gain. They do not care about the people of Ukraine, like Russia. The occupation administration. They got up from their knees ... Well, well. The red-haired liquidator of the industry of the USSR is on the spot and rules.
        3. 0
          6 2021 June
          And to do this behind the backs of Russian soldiers - what he did behind his backs once saw what others did and it is good to be smart after and not before ...!
        4. 0
          6 2021 June
          "And making life attractive in one's own country would do much more for neighbors in terms of willingness to define their own priorities and independence."

          That's the point.
          The same money should be spent on the people!
          And this way is unacceptable
      2. 0
        6 2021 June
        Especially if he was sitting in Donetsk somewhere
    2. Quote: Zaurbek
      And the option with the "Government in exile" was not used ....

      Who, nafig, would be interested in this "government in exile" if the president is elected in the country by popular vote? We are scoffing at Tikhanovskaya, who puffs her cheeks 'in exile' and calls herself a 'national leader', and your version is absolutely the same.
      1. 0
        6 2021 June
        There is also a variant of Yemen .... quite legal
        1. Quote: Zaurbek
          There is also a variant of Yemen .... quite legal

          What is this?
          1. 0
            6 2021 June
            The President was kicked out, in a coup and the Saudis brought in troops to restore him to power
      2. 0
        6 2021 June
        We now have a world of "double stants". Why not choose a "standard" convenient for the Russian Federation, sneeze at everyone, and do what the Russian Federation needs. The trouble is that the Russian Federation does not know what it wants.
        1. 0
          7 2021 June
          The trouble is that the Russian Federation does not know what it wants.
          Knows. But I'm afraid you won't like it. Like most people ..
      3. ANB
        -2
        6 2021 June
        ... We are scoffing at Tikhanovskaya, who puffs her cheeks 'in exile' and calls herself a 'national leader', and your version is absolutely the same.

        No, not absolutely. All the same, no one officially chose Tikhanovskaya, she called herself president. That is, an impostor.
        And Yanukovych was the recognized president.
        But yes, after the new elections it would be foolish to hold on to him.
  3. -1
    6 2021 June
    Everyone thinks of themselves as a strategist, seeing the battle from the sidelines, and yet history does not tolerate the subjunctive mood what
    1. +1
      6 2021 June
      Well, the mind comes that there is a lot of dullness around ... and it penetrates into power.
  4. +5
    6 2021 June
    Zhirinovsky: In 2014, Putin made a mistake, limiting himself to the annexation of one Crimea
    ... Now then talking about it ... it's useless.
    We must move forward ...
    1. 0
      6 2021 June
      In hindsight, everyone is smart, but there is still a lot of interesting things to come ...
      1. +2
        6 2021 June
        VVZh made a lot of "prophetic" statements. This cannot be taken away from him. Knows how to predict, foresee!
        BUT, no one likes another "Cassandra", this is also the reality of our world.
        1. +1
          6 2021 June
          Yes, he foresaw a lot, this cannot be taken away from him ...
  5. +5
    6 2021 June
    And if the Kremlin had done this, says Vladimir Volfovich, he would have done away with Ukraine even then.

    And the Kremlin did not allow Vladimir Volfovich to wash his boots in the Indian Ocean ... We remember everything, Vladimir Volfovich. wassat
  6. +19
    6 2021 June
    The question of creating Novorossiya from Kharkov to Odessa, including the entire Russian southeast of Ukraine, in May 2014 directly suggested itself. The displayed indecision was a serious military-political mistake.
  7. +17
    6 2021 June
    I agree with Zhirinovsky! In 2014, there was a real opportunity to create the state of Novorossiya! And only the stupidity and cowardice of the ruling regime of the Russian Federation (and possibly a deliberate betrayal in the "government" ...) missed this opportunity! Even ordinary people like me understood this!
    1. +4
      6 2021 June
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      In 2014, there was a real opportunity to create the state of Novorossiya!

      I believe that there was no such opportunity. But there was an opportunity to move further the borders of the territories controlled by the republics. And here the strategists of the deep peoples really screwed up. This is among other things. As a result, now there is such a deplorable situation with people who believed in this, as it turned out, in fact, a chimerical construct - the Russian world. Which ends exactly where the interests of the Russian oligarchy end.
      1. +1
        6 2021 June
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        this as it turned out in fact, the chimerical construct is the Russian world. Which ends exactly where the interests of the Russian oligarchy end.

        good
        Only some people think that in order to fulfill their desire, they need to pull the hair out of the beard and say: "Fuck-tibidoch!" It sucks when there is no beard and the head is like a knee. And you behold at the very root! The interests of the Russian oligarchy are lobbied in Russia, and the interests of the Ukrainian oligarch in Ukraine. And you can shaggy grandmother as much as you like in search of the right decisions ...
        ==========
        One question: "Why didn't the VVZ express this GDP in that distant 2014?" It was so reasonable for the citizens of Novorossia to learn the beauty of laws and amendments for which the LDPR faction voted.
      2. -1
        6 2021 June
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        As a result, now there is such a deplorable situation with people who believed in this, as it turned out, in fact, a chimerical construct - the Russian world.

        Absolutely right. Because the "Russian World" project is nothing more than an attempt to transfer the tracing paper from modern Russia to neighboring states. In other words, to transfer the current Russian bureaucratic-capitalist structure (essentially antipopular) to neighboring national soil. If you remove the beautiful slogans, then the same anti-popular government will remain. Which was clearly manifested in the LPNR.
  8. 0
    6 2021 June
    Not so simple. Of course, have in neighbors normal friendly Ukraine is very good. But! Was this what Ukraine wanted in 2014? Yanukovych, as I understand it, was not very fond of, probably, they dreamed of European associations, European salaries and pensions, the opportunity to go to Vienna for the weekend to "drink savory kava" place Zelensky, near Poroshenko and Tymoshenko. Therefore, a raid by Russian troops on Kiev at that time for a significant part of the Ukrainians would have been very hostile with all the ensuing consequences. Again, you cannot forcefully make you happy.
    1. +2
      6 2021 June
      You are making a classic mistake, presenting Ukraine as an integral real state, and not as a patchwork Wild Field. Zapadenschina - will NEVER be friendly to us. Just like Novorossia - it will ALWAYS gravitate towards Russia. Therefore, in principle, we cannot talk about changing the policy of the whole Ukraine within its borders. Section only. And Zapadenschina - let him bring down wherever he wants, even to the logs, even to the Turks. We don’t need it. Yes and there is absolutely nothing there worth at least some effort.
      1. +3
        6 2021 June
        [quote = paul3390] an integral real state, not a patchwork Wild Field.[/ Quote]
        On the one hand, yes, but on the other, how many ardent Bandera supporters have completely Russian surnames ?! Still, the long, long years of Ukrainization (since Soviet times) led to the fact that, for example, a significant part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are natives of the South-East and the center of Ukraine and they are shelling the Donbass, and the workers of Kharkov are producing and modernizing tanks for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And if you dig deeper into history, then in 2008 in Georgia Ukrainian air defense crews shot down our planes and, probably, received awards for this ...
        1. +2
          6 2021 June
          Duc - all indiscriminately to take and do not need .. Who was noted in the horse - to deport to hell to zapadenshchina .. Alas - without a total purge in this matter can no longer do ..
        2. +4
          6 2021 June
          Really. Let them climb out of the slops themselves. Their country is their problem. We are for ukrov, just a feeding trough.
      2. 0
        6 2021 June
        Quote: paul3390
        Zapadenschina - will NEVER be friendly to us. Just like Novorossia - it will ALWAYS gravitate towards Russia. Therefore, in principle, we cannot talk about changing the policy of the whole of Ukraine within its borders. Section only.

        as it was not there, and the war crystallized this probability.
        When there is a common goal, people unite.
        So Russia has accelerated the processes of Ukrainization and crystallization. The nationalists of Ukraine have to say thank you .. They would have taken centuries before that ..
    2. +1
      6 2021 June
      Quote: pyagomail.ru
      Therefore, a raid by Russian troops on Kiev at that time for a significant part of the Ukrainians would have been very hostile with all the ensuing consequences.

      Just don't confuse "a fork with a bottle"! We are not talking about a "raid on Kiev"! We are talking, somewhere, about 6 regions, conditionally referred to as "Novorossiya"! Areas where there were massive protests against the "Maidan", where many were waiting for the arrival of Russian troops, where they hoped (!) For support and assistance from Russia! Yanukovych was overthrown illegally both under Ukrainian and international law! He, as the legitimate president, turned to Putin with a request to send troops to Ukraine ...! So there was a legitimate basis for the "legal" entry of troops! And the reaction of the West "to this would be the same as to the Crimea! No more, no less! Even I, an ordinary person, then understood this! And what is" interesting "... this is confirmed by the modern analysis of the then situation made" world "political scientists! So why the" perspicacious "Putin and his entire sphere ... the team did not" figure it out "then? By the way, with this opinion I" spoke "then on the page-x VO .... and many of the then readers of VO opposed me and my supporters with dubious "counter arguments"!
      1. +1
        6 2021 June
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        Just don't confuse "a fork with a bottle"!

        If only it were that simple! The same South-East, where there were "mass protests", somehow quickly calmed down: "Russian-speaking" workers rivet Molot mortars, repair tanks, teach "MOV" and curse the authorities in a whisper in the kitchen, closing the doors tightly. Regarding Yanukovych, it was clear that no one needed him, including in Ukraine, and it was generally unreasonable to support him, especially to send troops. My wife is Ukrainian, she calls up with relatives in the Vinnitsa region, all of them (ordinary people) are sure that Putin took Crimea away and is fighting with Ukraine in the Donbass. We are equipping Crimea, we support Donbass, what will happen next - time will tell.
        1. 0
          7 2021 June
          Quote: pyagomail.ru
          "Russian-speaking" workers rivet Hammer mortars, repair tanks,

          In your opinion: oh what bad workers ... traitors! Duc, "Russian-speaking" workers worked, and repaired weapons. and in the Soviet territories occupied by Nazi Germany! Because we ourselves had to eat something and feed the children ... we had to save the children, families!
          Quote: pyagomail.ru
          My wife is Ukrainian, she calls up with relatives in the Vinnitsa region, all of them (ordinary people) are sure that Putin took Crimea away and is fighting with Ukraine in the Donbass.

          Where (and what is ...) Vinnytsia region and where (what is ...) Donbass? For me personally, the "rest" of Ukraine (the acre of "Novorossia" ... well, maybe the Kiev region ...) is a "cut-off chunk" long ago! We must fight for territories where there are still a significant number of "pro-Russian" people and who are geographically closer to Russia ...!
          1. +1
            7 2021 June
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            In your opinion: oh what bad workers ... traitors

            The point is that they are "Russian-speaking" and not Russian, just like the Austrians are "German-speaking" and not Germans. And it is not entirely correct to compare the "occupied Soviet territories" with modern Ukraine.
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            Where (and what is ...) Vinnytsia region and where (what is ...) Donbass?

            For Russia, Belgorod and Khabarovsk is a distance, and you can walk from Vinnitsa to Donbass wink And most importantly, how many Russian soldiers are you willing to put in for the happiness of Ukraine?
            1. 0
              7 2021 June
              Judging by your words, you are "pretty" confused in the "xy from xy" situation! In that case, argue with you? Well, well ... And what about the Russian soldiers who "don't feel sorry for"? Well, you also "give"! And how many Russian volunteers (former Russian soldiers or future ...) took part in the hostilities and how many died there "voluntarily"? And not for the happiness of Ukraine! And for their compatriots in Donbass "
  9. +4
    6 2021 June
    Captain obvious.
  10. -2
    6 2021 June
    The gas pipe forced Poroshenko to be recognized. "Competently" our contracts were drawn up.
    1. -1
      6 2021 June
      Fifty percent of Russia's income came from these contracts. The Swiss guest issued an ultimatum, either we withdraw the troops, or there is no money for gas. Now the situation has changed for the better.
      1. +7
        6 2021 June
        This is a double-edged question. No money, no gas. Well - and what would Europa replace the dropped volumes? IMHO is a pure bluff, which our type of elite gladly fell for.
    2. +11
      6 2021 June
      It's good to come up with fairy tales about the gas pipe. If Russia stopped pumping gas to Europe, then the EU itself would have strangled Ukraine.
      And for "competent" contracts, not that no one answered, these managers even increased their bonuses. Here it is, the "competent" work of the Putin government. laughing
  11. +4
    6 2021 June
    This time, it's hard not to agree with Zhirinovsky.
  12. +1
    6 2021 June
    But someone will have to clean up this mistake with a lot of blood
  13. +2
    6 2021 June
    It was necessary to attach everything to western Ukraine, throw out all the Natsiks, Russophobes to the west and fence them off with a border and a fence like monkeys in a zoo
  14. +5
    6 2021 June
    if the legitimate President Yanukovych returned to Kiev not even on a white horse, but even just stayed on the territory
    Ukraine, then about any Crimea and especially New Russia there would be no talk. therefore, they were urgently taken to Rostov and ordered to sit
    quiet . Crimea managed to "reunite", and from Novorossiya only a stub of the LPNR turned out. which is impossible to quit, and to push back to Ukraine is to lose the force.
  15. 0
    6 2021 June
    One of the reasons for refusing to support Novorossiya, by the way, was the intention to create it as a SOCIALIST state. Putin, as a representative of the capitalists, could not agree with this.
    1. 0
      7 2021 June
      Quote: Alt22
      One of the reasons for refusing to support Novorossiya, by the way, was the intention to create it as a SOCIALIST state. Putin, as a representative of the capitalists, could not agree with this.

      Exactly! Here are just the torch of "nationality" from Donbass could spread to Russia, and this goes against the ideology of the Kremlin
  16. -2
    6 2021 June
    Quote: ZHIRINOVSKY
    In 2014, Putin made the mistake of limiting himself to annexing Crimea alone.
    Zhirik is right
  17. -8
    6 2021 June
    Crimea is enough for us. And if Volfovich wants a couple more regions, then let them "attach" to themselves and feed them at their own expense.
    1. +3
      6 2021 June
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      Crimea is enough for us. And if Volfovich wants a couple more regions, then let them "attach" to themselves and feed them at their own expense.

      This is the beginning of the election campaign in the State Duma this year, the VVZh wants to show itself as a real opposition, soon on VO it will be possible to see other leaders of the parties of "non-systemic opposition", each will remind of their existence and cling to the responsibility of the GDP in 2014. for what is happening in Ukraine and the annexation of Crimea to Russia ...
      1. Quote: Lara Croft
        This is the beginning of the election campaign in the State Duma this year, the VVZH wants to show itself as a real opposition

        I did not see anything oppositional in Zhirinovsky's speech. He is an ordinary conformist, and the fact that he demonstrates a powerful hind mind by clicking on "if" and "should have been" causes nothing but laughter.
        Quote: Lara Croft
        and other leaders of the "non-systemic opposition" parties

        Systemic Did you mean to say? The non-systemic one will not be allowed into the VO, otherwise Roskomnadzor will frown. Well, unless they throw some news for sardonic fun and a fit of wit in the readers. About, say, how Navalny simulates hemorrhoids in the zone, and Gudkova Jr. swept up with a boyfriend in the fitting room of the Intimissimi store. The opposition should be presented as funny, weak and not scary.
        Quote: Lara Croft
        annexation of Crimea to Russia ...

        In fact, the "CrimeaNash" sticker is no longer popular with politicians. All possible political dividends have already been squeezed out. And the people are pretty tired of speculations on this matter. Well, ours - and ours. That's it, let's go. We need a repertoire change.
    2. +3
      6 2021 June
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      Crimea is enough for us.

      And the Kurils are not too tight?
  18. +5
    6 2021 June
    The hucksters and traitors rule our country. Therefore, "mistakes" are everywhere, where "do not spit."
  19. +3
    6 2021 June
    Zhirinovsky, as usual, voices brightly populist positions. I fully agree that it was necessary to try to close the issues that still hang to the maximum in 2014 (DPR / LPR is the same) or not open them at all, at the same time I cannot agree with the idea of ​​somehow "keeping" Ukraine 2014. "Hold" would have turned out vryatli - here many write that Yanuca was still president and it was possible to build on his decisions in this situation - here it is worth remembering WHAT Yanuca was president. This man showed his spinelessness both from the point of view of actions in the acute moment of history, and from the point of view of contributing to the emergence of this moment in his repeated "type of cunning" maneuvers.
    It is precisely that Yanuca was no longer an "authority" or "leader", he was originally a kind of semi-technical figure, reflecting a bad compromise and large, stupid injections. I would like to say that he was the chairman, but no, he was a couple of ranks higher, and unfortunately it was the freedom of will of such a figure that played its fatal role in the absence of her ability to dispose of this freedom.
    For us to get into that situation would be tantamount to harnessing for such a figure, a person incapable of strong and not always good decisions. It would be a weak position, on the one hand, a fairly decentralized state, already thoroughly saturated with nationalism, on the other hand, "Muscovites" behind the back of an unpopular leader. In this case, there would be every chance of getting a classic GW, which would be doubtful to win.

    So, in my opinion, of course, at that time it was worth paying more attention to certain regions, because good relations with Ukraine after Crimea would not have been in any case, there was no need to keep some kind of bargaining cards on the table, on which there would no longer be a game ...
    1. +1
      6 2021 June
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      here many write that Yanuca was still president and it was possible to build on his decisions in this situation - here it is worth remembering WHAT Yanuca was president.


      What difference does it make WHAT Yanukovych was? If the Kremlin made a decision to protect the Russian-speaking part of Ukraine (in the form of Novorossiya, or in the form of a pro-Russian / neutral Ukraine), then they would send a team of people to perform the necessary tasks and Yanukovych would not go anywhere, he had a worse alternative, i.e. .e. physical liquidation and except for Russia it would not have been accepted anywhere, but the catch is that the Kremlin was afraid to go to the end and simply froze the situation in 2014, and now we are trying to clean up the consequences of this indecision in the form of anti-Russia - Ukraine, and which openly prepares militants for war with our country and poses a threat ...

      going back to that time, and the flight of Yanukovych .... questions arise for those people who sat in the Kremlin and made a decision, did they really not understand that after the West broke the rules of the game (when it did not give a damn about the agreement: "Agreement on the settlement of the political crisis in Ukraine "), it was necessary to act ... after all, we had all the cards in our hands: the legally elected president of Ukraine, the law and the constitution of Ukraine + support of the South-East of Ukraine, but they managed to lose EVERYTHING ... why did this happen? I hope that someday they will write in their memoirs what prompted such decisions and answers will be given.
      1. +1
        7 2021 June
        So after all, Stalin was waiting for Hitler to attack, who was made the main enemy of humanity and the whole Shobla was tried. But Stalin did not become the aggressor and from the backwaters of the USSR became the second country in the world after the entire planet of capitalists. Stalin foresaw changes in Russia. Thank you for leaving this country with a protective umbrella. It is not the Tagged One and the drunkard who is accused of the devastation and destruction of Russia, but Stalin. Stalin, the creator, was appointed guilty of the fact that Russia gave birth to traitors.
  20. +6
    6 2021 June
    Everything could be done. There was no army. The President was in Kharkov. Why was he not supported in Kharkov? Why didn't they give him special forces from Belgorod? Who missed it all?

    - asks Zhirinovsky questions to which someone may have answers.

    And why is Zhirinovsky asking these questions on the air of radio "KP" in 2021, and not from the rostrum of the State Duma, as the deputy chairman and head of the faction, in 2014? "Elections" are probably coming soon.
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  22. -2
    6 2021 June
    although I cannot understand how Zhirinovsky would behave if he were the President of Russia, but
    Many of his theses about the only path of Russia in the status of the Empire and understanding of the not underestimated but also not exaggerated role of Stalin and the Stalinist Bolsheviks in the salvation of Russia, who created the Red Empire of the USSR, are understandable and close to me. Also close to me are Zhirinovsky's judgments that there should have long been a trial of the former elite of the CPSU, which destroyed the Red Empire of the USSR. I would have long called Zhirinovsky a monarchist, not a liberal democrat. But if Zhirinovsky and the whole pack embodying the current liberalism of Russia, well there Gozman, Galkin, Shenderovich, Bychkov, Gudkov, etc., with the Stankevichs himself in front, then Zhirinovsky with his analytical visions of the Russian World, Russia and its further way, there would have looked like King Solomon who got into the ward to the patients of the madhouse. Why can't I understand how Zhirinovsky would behave if he were the President of Russia? Because there is one thing to say and another to do.
    As you can see, I have not written how Zhirinovsky would have behaved instead of Putin. Putin did not say anything and did the greatest thing for the Russian World and for Russia - he returned Crimea. But Putin didn’t say anything and doesn’t say why he didn’t finish things and stopped Donbass and all Little Russia will return to Russia. So who is better, the one who speaks and it is not known what he will do, or the one who does not speak, but only half does the job ...? However, to the one who completed the business only halfway, maybe there were super geopolitical reasons for not completing this business then in 2014, and he will complete it in the coming years? After all, it is not in vain that he intends to preside for several more years ...
    1. Quote: north 2
      then Zhirinovsky with his analytical visions of the Russian World

      What the hell, "analytical vision" ??? Where is the analytics here? Grandpa tensed before the Duma elections and gave out another populist nonsense of second freshness.
      Quote: north 2
      would look like King Solomon

      Was Solomon famous for his hindsight?
      Quote: north 2
      Why can't I understand how Zhirinovsky would behave if he were the President of Russia?

      This hysterical populist is good at talk shows, slightly neutralizing Skabeeva's degenerate face. Even in the Duma squabbles. He is a showman, not a head of state. There is nothing more useless than to argue "how Zhirinovsky would have acted in Putin's place."
  23. +1
    6 2021 June
    Zhirinovsky: In 2014, Putin made a mistake, limiting himself to the annexation of one Crimea
    fool Exactly! But Stalin was mistaken in not annexing Finland in 1940 and 1945. And the United States did not destroy Russia in 1991. "There is a gang of Losers in history" (We'll live to see Monday) request
  24. 0
    6 2021 June
    If in the Donbass it would be possible to set up new vineyards, maybe he would have added them too.
  25. -1
    6 2021 June
    Indeed, the issue with Ukraine could have been resolved back in 2014. Nobody helped Yanukovych, Nobody! Where was V.V. at that time - a question! Where were the special forces and special forces ready to fly to support the legitimate government of Ukraine - QUESTION! Why calmly gave the ports of the coast of Ukraine to NATO, stopping in the Crimea, is also a question. All this could have been sorted out in favor of Russia in 2014. And the common people were simply dirtied by the night wolves on their bikes and shouting from all the mouthpieces of the Crimea-OUR country. What kind of deal was concluded or what promises did our elite receive from the State Department ..... question. But one thing is clear that this entire chain of strategic mistakes is not a chaotic mess.
  26. 0
    7 2021 June
    Volfovich, though a liar, aeliky. But also a tribesman. Respect
  27. +1
    7 2021 June
    Putin could not invade Ukraine with the official army in 2014 - it would be unprecedented, the world would gasp, even China would not support us.
    But he could deploy and support the militia and Russian resistance on a larger scale throughout the South-East of Ukraine. In this case, this would mean a large-scale civil war in this country according to the Yugoslav scenario with hot spots in Kiev and in the central regions. In this war, contingents of hundreds of thousands would have been mobilized and it would have been fought on the Russian border. The decision is really extremely difficult, let's say ...
  28. -2
    7 2021 June
    Zhirinovsky is right, this Putin's mistake will cost the Russian people dearly
  29. +1
    7 2021 June
    And Zhirinovsky himself helped the South-East in many ways with colossal resources ?!

    Twenty old Niva SUVs and a civilian Tiger from the master's shoulder, in his opinion, are sufficient help.
  30. -1
    7 2021 June
    I completely agree with him !!! I also shouted about this on all sites !!! Losing Donbass, Zaporozhye, Kharkov, Odessa ... History will not forgive him! And he could have become a Saint during his lifetime for All Russians !!!
  31. +1
    7 2021 June
    There are people about whom Abram spoke - it's good to be smart, like my Sarah later.
  32. -1
    8 2021 June
    Quote: Narak-zempo
    There are no people there. Some kakly.
    As practice has shown, even for the residents of Donbass and Crimea, the consequences of life in the Independence turned out to be irreversible. They want Russia to make their life a raspberry just because they are

    Only the laziness and stupidity of Russians is irreversible, who could not put their people in the leadership of Ukraine with 75% of the loyal population, and then prevent two Maidans, having 50% of Russian citizens in the leadership of the Ukrainian security forces lol
    To fart about some kind of "kaklov" is to sign your own handshake and the loss of geopolitical influence in the region! fool
  33. -1
    8 2021 June
    Quote: Silvestr
    Exactly! Here are just the torch of "nationality" from Donbass could spread to Russia, and this goes against the ideology of the Kremlin

    In the sense of the FAKel of the Gulyaypol of the times of Petliura ?! laughing

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