India returns to Russia the leased nuclear submarine K-152 "Nerpa" of project 971

India is returning the Project 971 Nerpa nuclear submarine to Russia due to the expiration of the lease term. According to Indian media, citing sources in the Indian military department, the nuclear submarine with the Indian name S72 Chakra is already on its way to Russia.

According to the Hindustan Times, the Russian nuclear submarine K-152 Nerpa (Project 971U Schuka-B) was leased to the Indian Navy in 2012 for a period of 10 years. The agreement on this was signed on December 30, 2011. On the Russian submarine, the Indian Navy trained crews for Indian nuclear submarines built at domestic shipyards.

The premature return of the submarine in India, according to the Indian television channel NDTV, is explained by problems with its maintenance, including the power plant.

According to reports, a submarine with an Indian crew has already arrived in Singapore, from where ships from the Pacific Ocean will accompany it to Vladivostok. fleet and the Indian Navy. The press service of the Pacific Fleet confirms the arrival in Singapore of the large anti-submarine ship Admiral Tributs and the sea tug Kalar, but there are no reports regarding the nuclear submarine.

Meanwhile, India does not intend to abandon the lease of Russian submarines. New Delhi plans to receive another project 2025 nuclear submarine for a long-term lease no later than 971. For the submarine K-391 "Bratsk", which is undergoing modernization at the Zvezdochka Ship Repair Center, a name has already been invented - Chakra 3.

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[lis-ik]

How they probably fucked her up. Wash the horseradish.

[Lynx2000]

Quote: lis-ik

How they probably fucked her up. Wash the horseradish.

We landed with inspection teams on Korean fishing vessels, in the galley, in the cabins there was such a smell, either from pickled wild garlic, or from salty dirty socks. The Japanese did not have such a smell.
Indian cuisine, it seems to me even richer than Korean, will probably have to be treated with bleach in the compartments ...

[lis-ik]

Quote: Lynx2000

Indian food,

Yes, they themselves .... from the experience of communication.

[Note]

Koreans have smelly kimchi cabbage.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Note

Koreans have smelly kimchi cabbage

Why is she stinking? Oseno kisno! Sakhalin residents are no strangers!

[Piramidon]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Why is she stinking? Oseno kisno!

Some people like fish with a smell and blue cheese. Taste and color ...

[Lynx2000]

You haven't smelled or tasted their shark fin and stingray wing soup, Hongyo (if I'm not mistaken), or fish sauce, fish-hyo ...

[Note]

Well, heh tried it and I am so little familiar with their cuisine. There are also delicious dishes. But not so in general for my taste. Anyway, they eat dogs. This is a nightmare for me ..

[Lynx2000]

The best fish hyo is when in the sea, on a boat, you gut a fresh flounder from a hook, cut it into a fillet, dip it in equal portions of wasabi and soy sauce, immediately put it in your mouth, and it melts on your tongue. I also love the salad made from Korean radish (daikon) and their mana-pyansho.
With regard to dogs, those Koreans with whom they are familiar - do not eat. Times and tastes change. In Asia, not only Koreans ate (eat) dog meat, Chinese, Vietnamese, etc., too ...

[volodimer]

I agree, fresh fish heh with wasabi and soy sauce is just gorgeous. Although I prefer from gobies or rock perches (which are called ruffs here).

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Lynx2000

With regard to dogs, those Koreans with whom they are familiar - do not eat. Times and tastes change.

I agree ! With me, dogs were eaten only by elderly Koreans who are no longer in this world ... Besides, as far as I know, there is a campaign in Korea itself against the culinary use of dogs! In any case, it was widely organized during the period of the Olympiad ... And it happens that dogs are eaten in Russia not only by Koreans ... (and not only Vietnamese, Chinese ...)! In my youth I had to work in "oil exploration" in the taiga ... The contingent there was different and "specific" ... they ate dogs ... and they were "faces of Slavic appearance" ...
And in Korean cuisine, there are many delicious dishes ... I will not list; since it will be quite a long list! It is probably worth highlighting the "cooking" of seaweed and wild plants (fern, burdock ...) Moreover, Korean cuisine is well known in the regions of Russia, and not only in the Far East! There are tons of "Korean" recipes on the internet! Sakhalin residents themselves often cook "in Korean"; but, nevertheless, they often buy (!) Korean snacks ("salads"), of course, from the Koreans themselves! Although not everything is abgemakht here! The Koreans put the production of "Korean snacks" on the "conveyor belt", which, in the end, could not but affect the quality of the dishes, their true taste! Therefore, kimchi or he, prepared by Koreans for themselves and for the "market", sometimes happens, "two big differences"!

[Maximilian37]

Why are you whining about dogs? quite normal meat, but do you feel sorry for the cows?

[Peak]

Quote: Lynx2000

I also love Korean radish salad (daikon)

Japanese , in case of emergency - Chinese radish ...

Daikon (Japanese 大 根, literally - "big root", or Japanese radish, Chinese trad. 白 уп, ex sativus) from the cabbage family (Brassicaceae).
It is believed that this type of radish was obtained in ancient times by the Japanese by selection from the loba - the Asian group of Radish varieties (Raphanus) growing in China.

[Aleksandr1971]

Dogs are delicious food. However, this is for everyday cuisine, but as a traditional Korean remedy for tuberculosis.

[for]

remedy for tuberculosis.

Fairy tales, like badger fat.

[volodimer]

About dogs, there are usually claims to Koreans and to a lesser extent to Chinese. But in our country, migrant workers from Central Asia have been eating them lately.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Alexander1971

Dogs are delicious food.

Dog meat, if cooked "correctly", is very similar to mutton!

[atakan]

You flooders. You'd better think about the fact that there was at least half a year for THAT. Which is more likely than your notions of stink and dirt.

[Lynx2000]

Quote: atakan

You flooders. You'd better think about the fact that there was at least half a year for THAT. Which is more likely than your notions of stink and dirt.

What an article, such a discussion. Was on lease, returned ahead of schedule, accompanied, will still rent, that's all, then think for yourself what is with the nuclear submarine and in what condition. Why and what problems with service have arisen, what lease terms, on what conditions such cooperation will be continued - it is not specified. It remains to guess or flood ...

[kristofer]

Well, we eat beef, the Indians do not understand us, to put it mildly. So the dog is the same source of carbohydrates

[volodimer]

Katrana, if you immediately peel off the skin, then you do not need to soak. And when smoked, it is not inferior to sturgeon.
Cartilaginous fish, no bones at all.

[niki233]

well, why the heck spoil your appetite!)))

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Note

Koreans have smelly kimchi cabbage.

For the smell of our cabbage, read Gogol's "The Inspector General".

[volodimer]

They brought confiscated North Korean scows to us. The smell of rotten squid .. This is something.
They took it as bait for catching shrimp. The bait is 10 out of 10, but not everyone can survive the smell.
Personally, I am a non-smoker, I smoked 3 cigarettes in a row to kill this stench.

[Ponchik78]

Happened to be in a student hostel where the Indians lived. There, in addition to the "specific" smell ... let's just say, they are still pigs! How they, with their heat, have not yet died out from unsanitary conditions.

[alexey alexeyev_2]

And I still remember the smell of fried herring that the Vietnamese fried in our student kitchen. I remember the astonished mug of a warrant officer who decided to torture us with a team of gases with faulty gas masks at a military gathering. fried herring ..

[72jora72]

And I still remember the smell of fried herring that the Vietnamese fried

In our hostel, Vietnamese (or Chinese) fried it, I don't remember already. But the fact that it was salty (herring), and they fried it, and what kind of stench there was .........

[Alex Justice]

We do not like Hindus to rent housing. They love smelly curry, then it is difficult to get rid of its smell.

[Vladislav_2]

it only needs to be aired for a month ...

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Vladislav_2

it only needs to be aired for a month ...

It is doubtful that there will be an effect. Only disintegration or complete annihilation.

[IL-18]

ABOUT! Finally, the Indians. And then the Koreans came from somewhere

[lis-ik]

Quote from rudolf

"How they probably fucked her up. You can wash it off." Some of the comments on this thread stink much more, including yours, lis-ik. A sample of cleanliness?

Yes! Sample. And soul and body, moreover, a sample in the car and at home !!!

[lis-ik]

+ experiences vary. Unfortunately I talked with financiers. The impressions are not very good, as in the deals. and in life.

[Kisa]

it was always a shock to me why they don’t eat with spoons. from the captain to the minder, he scratched his bare heel at the table, and immediately eats rice with his hand. ))
and I also noticed a tendency - the lower in the rank, the more gold on it - he should clean the separator and he is all in bolts, rings, chains, bracelets)))

[Piramidon]

Quote: kitty

it was always a shock to me why they don't eat with spoons

If the Chinese and Hindus eat with spoons, there will be world hunger.

[Charik]

more mud-wider muzzle

[volodimer]

I agree, it's easy to insult. And here it is worth understanding why. Have you driven it so that repairs are already required?
Then you need to understand why: insufficient qualifications of operators or a manufacturer's flaw? Accordingly, the conclusions will be different.

[volodimer]

Thanks for the explanation. The same news as about the "early" dispatch of S-400 specialists from Turkey. The training just ended there. The lease has just expired here. But what loud headlines turned out.

[Luty]

Rather write off)))

[Charik]

figured it out myself?

[Luty]

with a high probability predicted))))

[alexmach]

There is a much more interesting question: why was it being rented out at all, if there was a shortage, then in its own fleet, and why they also prepare a change for it. There should be some simply incomprehensible bonuses from such cooperation ... But where are they?

[Charik]

perhaps in the pockets.

[Lynx2000]

Quote from rudolf

I'm glad for you, but why should others be so indiscriminately watered with shit? I was familiar with and had the opportunity to personally communicate with many officers of the Indian Navy. The Chakra Crew is the elite. There are no representatives of the lower castes. The senior officers have their own servants on the shore. Yes, and the British at one time laid a good school for the education of the officer corps. I have never seen a dirty collar or white shirt cuffs on them. And ours ... for everyone.

Sometimes from an educated and clean person "stinks" morally more than from a "redneck". Division into castes, some traditions, norms of behavior and rituals, can cause rejection.
"It is better to be a good person, swearing, than a quiet, well-mannered creature"
/ Faina Ranevskaya /

[Lynx2000]

Quote from rudolf

I agree. But here they were not talking about the moral qualities of the Chakra crew members, here they were going to wash and ventilate the boat from the "dirty" "savages". It’s just curious how the Indians deserve such an arrogant and contemptuous attitude towards themselves? Although ... not only Indians. Walking along the branches and you can see something similar to the Chinese, and the Gay Europeans, and the Americans, and Latinos with blacks. We are smarter, and prettier, and cleaner, and more cultured, and the warriors are tough, and ... Where does all this come from? Or have we started teaching at Mein Kampf schools?

I'll tell you more, the Japanese, the Chinese and even the Hindus have the same attitude towards other nations, which they consider barbarians ... They are also arrogant.
Indeed, the Chinese behave sloppily and loudly in public places. Hindus also differ little from the Chinese. Perhaps the so-called. representatives of the higher castes behave with restraint, but the effect of "European education".

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote from rudolf

Where does all this come from? Or have we started teaching at Mein Kampf schools?

In the comments to the publication, the dominance of domestic "ubermens" is obvious, at best, with a secondary education and a couple of working convolutions in the brain, who, having sipped from the standard Baltic 9, write angry comments on the exploitation of 971 projects by "racially inferior" Indians, while not understanding what they write. I suspect that it will be very difficult for these "ubermensch" to explain what an average repair is. There are two troubles in Russia, one of them can be observed here with your own eyes.

[Aag]

Quote from rudolf

I'm glad for you, but why should others be so indiscriminately watered with shit? I was familiar with and had the opportunity to personally communicate with many officers of the Indian Navy. The Chakra Crew is the elite. There are no representatives of the lower castes. The senior officers have their own servants on the shore. Yes, and the British at one time laid a good school for the education of the officer corps. I have never seen a dirty collar or white shirt cuffs on them. And ours ... for everyone.

In the adjacent to our 9-storey building (Riga, about 1976-79) officers of the Indian Navy lodged, many with their families (the new building was inhabited by people associated with the Ministry of Defense).
We went to school, and after them "Ikarus", sometimes two, podkatyval. Apparently they drove to Bolderai. PL then there were constantly "herd")), - or rem. base or training center ... With classmates we got there by hitchhiking, mostly military ones, to take a look. With fishing rods)).
"... I have never seen a dirty collar or white shirt cuffs on them ..."
I confirm! Only, if I'm not mistaken, their shirts were cream ...

[Aag]

Quote from rudolf

In Bolderaja, if I am not mistaken, there was a military town. And the dunes are beautiful on the shore. I've only seen such things before in the movies.

I suspect that not one (v. Gorodok, -different departments ...)
The dunes, I hope ... even sure, are beautiful now.
And in children's sandals, and barefoot (feet are on fire), and in kerzach he trampled in abundance! And in MAZ-537 he traveled as a cadet, on T-64 good uncles gave a ride, so that we would not bullet from the slingshots from the dunes with dust flaps of the mechanic drive. ..)))
Places notable ...
By the way, practically in Bolderaja there was a dacha near V. Pikul ...

[didra]

Your comment was boorish. And besides, you have set a vector for the discussion, not related to the topic of the note.

[Revolver]

Quote: lis-ik

How they probably fucked her up. Wash the horseradish.

Yes, probably after turkeys it is cheaper to write off than to bring it to an acceptable state.

[Popandos]

No one remembers that 2008 people were suffocated on the boat in 20, only the smell of the Indians is being discussed.
Rest in peace to the peasants.

[seacap]

I'm not sure if they have, in fact, the regulations and instructions of the fleet of HER Majesty in their navy, and there are traditions first of all. Yes, and the sidhis, and they mainly serve, are an ancient militant caste that are fundamentally different from general Hindu traditions, incl. things may not be so sad.

[Aleks tv]

Chakra2 - will again become a Nerpa.
Bratsk - to be reborn as Chakra 3.
Full baobab.))
It's not boring in the Navy.

Submariners would listen.

[Asad]

To buy a submarine, you have to sacrifice something.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: ASAD

To buy a submarine, you have to sacrifice something.

Yes, this makes sense, you can understand with your mind, but accept ..... Not really ...

[mvg]

To buy submarines

If only they could figure out what India is buying .. just to grunt

[Aag]

Quote: ASAD

To buy a submarine, you have to sacrifice something.

I apologize for bad manners, - at one time I heard enough of such excuses from ... prostitutes ...
Well, yes, if you have nothing more to offer ...
"It's a shame for the State ..." (c)
For the people, most of it.
Part of which, IMHO, is the best (in different ways, it is not the "elite" that is not brought to us, which has lost its shores ...
Sorry, off-topic ...

[Alex777]

Why give the savages the Premier League for rent?

For money.

[Reserve buildbat]

As I already wrote, now the repair of the nuclear submarine will gobble up all the money for the rent and will not be enough yet. So what's the benefit? In the loss of 2 nuclear submarines? One for repairs, or even on pins and needles, the second again for the dancers to be torn apart.

[Alex777]

Do you know how much the Indians paid?
To make our conversation substantive.

[Reserve buildbat]

You mean enough for a couple of new submarines? Moreover, we already have a shortage of them in the fleet.

[Alex777]

If you are not ready to answer a direct question, then excuse me.

[Reserve buildbat]

Chakra-2 - 900 million greens, Chakra-3 - 3,3 billion greens. The amount is 4,2 billion greens.
The cost of the Yasen nuclear submarine is said to be from 1 to 3 billion euros. 5 pieces are under construction.
This is according to Sdelanounas.

[Alex777]

We are now returning Chakra-2 (Nerpa).
It was supposed to pay $ 2,5 billion over 10 years.

Now India leases from Russia the nuclear submarine "Nerpa" also of the "Shchuka-B" class, which became part of the Indian Navy in 2012 and was named "Chakra". According to the contract, India will pay $ 10 billion for 2,5 years of lease.

https://www.rline.tv/news/2018-12-06-rossiya-sdast-v-arendu-indii-eshche-odnu-atomnuyu-podvodnuyu-lodku/

Much has been written about 900 million, but taking into account $ 3,3 billion for the third boat of the same project, $ 2,5 billion is more like the truth.
I think this is a good deal, and India is developing on our technologies and will continue to focus on them.
Even taking into account the fact that the boat was returned earlier and the total amount will be slightly less.
Ash is not a MAPL, but a SSGN. It will never be given to India.
And yes, it is very expensive. Much more expensive than Boreyev.
Unlike nuclear submarine project 971I of the third generation.

[Reserve buildbat]

"After the signing of a contract between the two countries, the nuclear submarine selected for lease will undergo deep repairs and replace the nuclear reactor."
This is written in the article you quoted. Hence the difference between 900 million and 3.3 billion. And now it is not known what the Nerpa looks like after the lease. And how much time and money it will take to repair.

Five more submarines of the latest development are currently being built. A nuclear submarine with the ability to dive to a depth of 400 m costs about 2 billion euros. - this is from here:
https://skolko-poluchaet.ru/skolko-stoit/tsena-atomnoj-podvodnoj-lodki.html

[Alex777]

Hence the difference between 900 million and 3.3 billion.

In your opinion, the cost of repairs is $ 2,4 billion? Don't be so funny.
You, apparently, inattentively read the article and other materials on Nerpa.
It has always been said that the rent would be over $ 900 million.
In the article I have cited, the cost of the entire lease for 10 years.

The link you gave as an argument contains epic nonsense:

Nuclear submarine "Severodvinsk" - the most expensive of the entire project 955 "Borey"

Call Ash Borey ?!
If you did not pay attention to this nonsense, then there are no comments.
As they are not, and to this entire article.

[Reserve buildbat]

Cool! And indeed I missed it! Here I am!

[Alex777]

Then clean up your cons.

[Reserve buildbat]

I didn't put any minuses. Plus I put one, but I see that someone, according to your comments, silently ran with the "sleepers".
By the way, yes. The cost of "Boreev" in various sources indicate from about 300 million to about 700 million of greenery. Basically, the first amount is found.

[Alex777]

Chakra gave to build 3 Boreas. Oh how!
The exact figures are not advertised, but, IMHO, from $ 600 to $ 700 million.

[Reserve buildbat]

Let's see what happens to her next.

[Alex777]

The difference from 3 Boreys can be easily repaired.
I heard out of my ear that the Indians want 2 boats.
If that happens, then +/- $ 5 billion is very good.

[Reserve buildbat]

I do not know. I've only read about one. They say they choose from 2 boats, which will become Chakra-3, and which will remain.

[Alex777]

As you rightly pointed out, let's see how everything goes.
Ash trees - replacement of "loaves" of pr. 949A.
But what our new MAPL will be is not yet clear.
But on the basis of Borea it could turn out well, IMHO.

[Reserve buildbat]

It seemed there was something about Borey-A and Borey-K, which they supposedly would be built a bit, and then the Husky would go. But the legend is fresh ...

[Alex777]

Borey-K is a version with a CD similar to Ohio and 154 Tomahawks.
It was about 2 of them.
MAPL is a completely different topic.

[Reserve buildbat]

We'll see. All this while a pitchfork on the water

[Reserve buildbat]

And "Bratsk", which will go to the dancers under the name "Chakra-3", was also not going to finish building? And by the way, also confirm the information

[Popandos]

She was ready, you can say 100%, the commissioning team was collected from pensioners, 20 people did not return then.

[Popandos]

The delivery team was recruited from men who had already quit the factory, my father then refused to go to sea, and three did not return from our auto-cooperative of garages.
If you are not aware of the events, then it is better to be silent, and not to smack nonsense. The boat was laid down in the 91st, then frozen, somehow completed and handed over to the Navy in 2008, when the tragedy occurred. And the Indians were rented out in 2012.

[Charik]

in my opinion a few hundred lamas of greenery or-?

[Orkraider]

explain the problems with its content, including the power plant.

New Delhi plans to receive another project 2025 nuclear submarine for a long-term lease no later than 971.

The old toy is broken, buy a new one. We'll break it too ..

Here is a very strange idea to lease nuclear-powered ships. Themselves a little.

[Note]

Just business, nothing personal. For some, money is more important than the safety of their people. Although ... Is it your own?

[Note]

If there was a demand, the whole country, together with the population, would be rented out.

[lis-ik]

Quote: Note

If there was a demand, the whole country, together with the population, would be rented out.

We are meticulous and harmful, but patient, but we do not take root in a foreign land, so they will not take it.

[hrych]

Did he ask the question himself and answer himself? Those. new Boreas and Ash trees are not considered to strengthen the defense of their people? Allegedly, the rent was paid as the cost of construction for the military-industrial complex of two Boreis, including the purchased Klaba - export Calibers. The boat, though sunk, returned. The next contract is supposedly worth several billion. And Chakra-3 is not for training beginner subatomic scientists, but for combat missions. And, accordingly, the purchase of consumables: clubs and various mine and torpedo facilities. Let's assume that the Indians finance the construction of the Boreis. That's better?

[hrych]

Borey's cost is 23 billion rubles, which is now $ 330 million (roughly) in terms of the dollar. So far, no one has traded nuclear submarines and prices are only in rubles. Therefore, it is not worth saying that more than 40% readily went to complete the construction of Pike, as much as 650 billion, is not worth it. Rubles went to complete the construction, and the Carabelles and subcontractors received a salary ... in rubles. There is such a first Indian nuclear submarine - Arihant with an SLBM - a kind of design Skat with a ballistic missile compartment. Chakra-1 was still a Soviet Skat. Therefore, cooperation is highly visible. The first Archant dragged on and the series was stalled, and the multipurpose vehicles were to be built in the second place. Therefore, it's okay, we will help you with leasing. I repeat, Nerpa, count ... RETURNED and even alive. It is ours, it was completed with the customer's money, it worked out the lease and is returning. We wash the poop and go Magadan - Chakra-3 is already being leased, not leased, i.e. will remain with the customer, but will earn $ 3,3 billion. The boat is thirty years old and worthy of its implementation. Taking into account that it has faithfully worked for the defense of the Motherland for a quarter of a century. What's wrong? 3,3 billion - 10 Boreyev, translated into rubles

[TermNachTer]

Quite reasonable. "Nerpa" will undergo a medium repair, with modernization and will become operational. It will be enough for 5 - 6 years. And there it will be seen.

[hrych]

Seal, actually 15 years old (launching). I doubt that the Indians killed her outright, under the supervision of our instructors. Perhaps the Indians will ask for a lease after the planned repairs. Perhaps it will serve the Motherland for at least 10-15 years. If we sell aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines, then what's wrong? We build advanced Boreas and Ash trees, and the rest will be decided by cheap (relatively) and very angry Poseidon.

[TermNachTer]

It was 15 years old, but 9 years old Indian exploitation, the boat was a little shocked. Therefore, it seems reasonable to carry out medium repairs, with recharging the reactor, update the electronics, weapons, and after a year and a half, have a completely modern ship in service. 5 - 6 years, I meant that no major repairs and upgrades would be required.

[paul3390]

I doubt that the Indians killed her outright, under the supervision of our instructors.

Hmm ... Would you buy a car after 15 years of driving in India?

[hrych]

Why Buy? She's ours.

[hrych]

Quote from rudolf

your numbers are fantastic

Well, first of all, I gave an example hypothetically. Moreover, the boat remained with us, well, even if it earned not for two, but for one, Boreas for sure And sources about leasing - Military Review including
https://topwar.ru/154958-sdelka-nedeli-rossija-poluchit-3-milliarda-dollarov-ot-indii-za-arendu-atomnoj-podlodki.html

[Siberian54]

I haven't seen so many "big" stars on one branch for a long time ..

[mvg]

The cost of Borey is 23 billion rubles, which is now $ 330 million in dollar terms (roughly)

Are we talking about nonsense again? The cost of pr 955 Borey, even taking into account that the first 3 buildings partially came from the backlog of "past years", amounted to $ 750 million, pr. 885 Ash, almost 1,5 billion.
Both Klimov and Alexander wrote about this more than once on VO. Not to believe, there is no reason.
PS: Why would our nuclear submarines, project 885, be 7 times cheaper than the American Virginia, if we have a one-piece project, and it took 11 years to build, and the USA makes nuclear submarines in two years, 2 pieces per year are lowered? Miracles in the sieve?

[hrych]

Quote: mvg

Are we talking about nonsense again?

Don't carry it yourself. Where was Borey put up for foreign exchange trading? Where is Borei sold to other states? We have the state defense order in rubles and only in rubles. And this cost is 23 billion rubles. And the larger the series, the cheaper the unit. I admitted it myself. Each subsequent boat is cheaper than the previous one. The first Borei did not cost the state cheaper, because the compartments of the Lynx, Cougar and Bars did not fall from the sky, but were built for other nuclear submarines and cost their money and resources. Yes, they bought time and quickly put into service, thanks to this ingenious move, but they did not win money. The Americans are asking for hundreds of millions of dollars for their aircraft tweaks, and from this they did not become invisible and did not fly faster and higher. There is also a tricky piece of PPP. The ruble of the defense order really does not correspond to the exchange rate of the International Security Service, which is not the essence for the boobies who love the dollar. Miracles are in the making, when the United States and NATO as a whole spend huge budgets on defense, but cannot cope with Russia's modest defense budget. They have no money for nuclear rearmament, and Russia has already renewed its entire line by more than 70%. And oh, horror, generally went into the lead in breakthrough technologies. Russia has made intercontinental missile launchers, torpedoes and maneuvering blocks, and a combat laser guards ICBM mines. Of course, miracles do not happen, the United States is ruled by mega-corporations, they set prices, and the senators and congressmen who have been appointed by them, force them to fork out. That's why Virginia is so expensive considering PPP and lobbying. So don't go far. Compare the heavy, twin-engine Su-57 with a price of 30 million (export is appropriate here) and the light, one-hundred millionth F-35. Three more expensive. So not an analogue. An analogue of the F-22. Under 150 million, and then without R&D, and with them? 380 Here is 5 times and we get. Extrapolate to Virginia and Boreas, or better to the more expensive Ash. And it all fits. That's all the miracles.

[ycuce234-san]

The cost of Borey is 23 billion rubles, which is now $ 330 million in dollar terms (roughly)

This is similar to the cost of Indian medicines (one tenth of the amount for 10 years). We only buy medicines and electrical equipment from Indians for similar amounts. That is, if they really bought for rubles without a dollar, then only for these import items were they ready to pay in rubles in the required quantities. And there were no rubles in the gold-currency Indian reserves, and until they were paid in rubles for something, they would not be able to pay for the rent of the boat.

[hrych]

The trade turnover between India and the Russian Federation is in the region of 10 billion per year with a surplus of 2 billion. That is. we annually receive from cooperation a net profit of at least 2 billion in net currency. Lending is not for nothing, for a boat that is close to being written off, which has worked for 25 years and is morally outdated for us, they will eventually pay 3 billion, albeit with a time extension, but over the years of operation, they will purchase Clabs for it, etc. The real amount will increase even more, and taking into account the trade surplus, the Russian Federation will receive exactly the net currency equal to the surplus in any case annually. An extremely profitable deal, whatever one may say.

[ycuce234-san]

Profitable. But probably it was held in dollars, like other goods turnover. But if it was held in rubles, then the Indians would buy rubles in the foreign exchange market and systematically buy them to pay for consumables and rent. The course would be supported by the demand for rubles and their import abroad. Well, electrical equipment and the pharmacopoeia were sold for rubles, taking them out of the fluctuations in the dollar-ruble exchange rate: this would be appreciated by the domestic Russian industry. But this will probably be done next time, for example, by agreeing on multicurrency payments.

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: Note

If there was a demand, the whole country, together with the population, would be rented out.

Has long been.

[moody]

Bratsk, then, to the Hindus. And the newly acquired seal is now, probably, for repair. Those. it seems like an exchange, but we have minus 2 boats.

[lis-ik]

Quote: morose

probably for repair.

At least cosmetic, in the internal compartments, I think that the auxiliary power units were fucking ditched.

[Doliva63]

Quote: lis-ik

Quote: morose

probably for repair.

At least cosmetic, in the internal compartments, I think that the auxiliary power units were fucking ditched.

Wait a minute! Isn't it necessary to do repairs in the external compartments?

[mvg]

I think that the auxiliary power units were fucking ditched.

You don’t think it’s bad for you. When the proofs are from the MO, then there will be facts and figures.

[Yura]

Just news, but incomprehensible, some kind of inconsistency in the wording:

India is returning the Project 971 Nerpa nuclear submarine to Russia due to the expiration of the lease term. According to Indian media, citing sources in the Indian military department, the nuclear submarine with the Indian name S72 Chakra is already on its way to Russia.

Premature return of a submarine in India, according to the Indian TV channel NDTV, explain problems with its content, including the power plant.

Meanwhile, India does not intend to abandon the lease of Russian submarines. New Delhi plans to receive another project 2025 nuclear submarine for a long-term lease no later than 971. For the submarine K-391 "Bratsk", which is undergoing modernization at the Zvezdochka Ship Repair Center, a name has already been invented - Chakra 3.

[tralflot1832]

I do not think that the Indians in splendid isolation were exploiting K 152, there were obviously seconded Russian submariners, but they will never tell us about this!

[CommanderDIVA]

Why lease the nuclear submarine to the Indians, it is necessary as a passenger aircraft on lease, with subsequent redemption by the lessee

[bk0010]

Quote: CommanderDIVA

Why lease the nuclear submarine to the Indians, it is necessary as a passenger aircraft on lease, with subsequent redemption by the lessee

I think that they are leasing, because for some reason it is impossible to sell the nuclear submarine because it is nuclear.

[Charik]

What worries her the most about her further service, modernization-repairs or needles?

[lis-ik]

Quote: Charik

What worries her the most about her further service, modernization-repairs or needles?

Why the fuck, then such a lease is needed ?!

[Pavel57]

Quote: Orkraider

Here is a very strange idea to lease nuclear-powered ships. Themselves a little.

And without the Indians, they would have let her go.

[S. Smirnov]

Quote from rudolf

now it is occupied by an unnecessary Irbis with a degree of readiness of more than 60%

I wish I could finish building it, for myself. Let the 3rd generation, but the new one. And now every building counts with us. And the place at the ASZ will be free

[Nikolaevich I]

According to Indian media, citing sources in the Indian military department, the nuclear submarine with the Indian name S72 Chakra is already on its way to Russia.

[Zaurbek]

And they are given nuclear submarines with weapons?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Cooperation between Russia and India is beneficial to both of us.

[Aleksandr1971]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Cooperation between Russia and India is beneficial to both of us.

I doubt your words because the Indians gave this "Pike" to the Americans to study. This is dishonest, it is also dangerous for us, and this is a clear disrespect and insult to Russia from the Indians.

[ccsr]

Quote: Alexander1971

I doubt your words because the Indians gave this "Pike" to the Americans to study. This is dishonest, it is also dangerous for us, and this is a clear disrespect and insult to Russia from the Indians.

Just don't panic from scratch, because when a secret product is handed over to a foreign state, this automatically implies that we have completely declassified it, regardless of the promises of those who buy or lease it.
After the collapse of the USSR, a huge amount of equipment and weapons lost their stamp in Russia, because there was no point in keeping such "secrets", taking into account the fact that the American special services were already in charge of the former KGB of Ukraine and the Baltic countries.

[Aleksandr1971]

India handed over our "Pike" to the Americans for examination.
Therefore, if we give the Indians any of our nuclear submarines for rent, then only some old "Navaga" from those that are rusting in Nerpichya Bay.

[Ros 56]

Let them return, otherwise there is nowhere to dance, otherwise the Indians cannot fight without dancing. Yes, and you need to check everything, otherwise they will commune something.

[Aleksandr1971]

Quote: ccsr

Quote: Alexander1971

I doubt your words because the Indians gave this "Pike" to the Americans to study. This is dishonest, it is also dangerous for us, and this is a clear disrespect and insult to Russia from the Indians.

Just don't panic from scratch, because when a secret product is handed over to a foreign state, this automatically implies that we have completely declassified it, regardless of the promises of those who buy or lease it.
After the collapse of the USSR, a huge amount of equipment and weapons lost their stamp in Russia, because there was no point in keeping such "secrets", taking into account the fact that the American special services were already in charge of the former KGB of Ukraine and the Baltic countries.

If we follow your logic formally, then let the British let us familiarize ourselves with the Tridents, which the British rented in the United States and put on their Vanguards.
But only the British will not do this because in fact the logic of Russia's enemies is the same - to do everything possible to the detriment of Russia and do nothing that can benefit Russia.
That is, Indians can be given amer to familiarize ourselves with our nuclear submarine, while other foreigners cannot be given US equipment for familiarization.

I have read many of your comments. And I know your logic.

[Adimius38]

I wonder if she's on the move or will be pulled by a tug

[Radical]

Quote from rudolf

I'm glad for you, but why should others be so indiscriminately watered with shit? I was familiar with and had the opportunity to personally communicate with many officers of the Indian Navy. The Chakra Crew is the elite. There are no representatives of the lower castes. The senior officers have their own servants on the shore. Yes, and the British at one time laid a good school for the education of the officer corps. I have never seen a dirty collar or white shirt cuffs on them. And ours ... for everyone.

Is your own servant on the shore certainly an indicator of professionalism in your eyes?

[petrol cutter]

And what do you order to do with it further?
In the north there is a certain territory for the sedimentation / storage of reactor compartments.
What is there in this plan? Do not know.

[Vadim237]

Then it will be put on modernization for new missile and torpedo armament for the submarine only 15 years from the moment of launch.

[Alexey Bobrin]

Everybody costs money to maintain a PL. I wonder how the Indians are though? Only the paddles are not serviced, and only the oars are not contained, and then they need to be dried.

[Radical]

Quote from rudolf

The conversation began with this phrase: "How they probably fucked her up. You will wash it off," to which I answered. And the fact of operation for 10 years without serious accidents speaks about professionalism.

I quoted your entire comment, there is no talk about the professionalism of the Indian crew at all. And yet, does it follow from your comment that they (Indians) are more professional than our sailors in servicing and managing our nuclear-powered ships?

[Radical]

Quote from rudolf

I did not touch on the issues of professionalism, it was about culture. I am not going to compare our sailors and Indian ones. At least due to the fact that due to certain circumstances I cannot be objective. But I do not consider the Indians to be "savages" and I consider their level of professionalism to be high enough to enable the trouble-free operation of nuclear submarines for a long period of time.

Trouble-free, are you serious?

[Vladimir1155]

it is unclear why to lease such necessary nuclear submarines, and even different ones, ... and if bugs poke around? then it is better to repair the seal and hand it over again.

[Marachuh]

Is this the one that Indians took Americans to study?

[Lord]

One was ruined now give them another

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Of course, I am not an admiral, but I would not be in a hurry with such "leases". A classmate told me about their sailors who came to "Sevmash" for an aircraft carrier ........ Laughed for a long time ..... No matter how bad it was, with such "morakami" ...

[Kaw]

Interesting. This news has been circulating in the Russian media for the second or third day, but I am reading the last paragraph for the first time. Was he invented to soften the news?

[Charik]

about the stench of dogs, cabbage, but there is something to talk about on the boat?

[22 dmdc]

Nobody remembered that the "Nerpa" was a guards boat. The rank of the Guards passed from "K-56", and from the famous "S-56" to her. One of the two at the Pacific Fleet. And you can say goodbye to "Nerpa".

[Gunther]

Quote: Maximilian37

Why are you whining about dogs? quite normal meat, but do you feel sorry for the cows?

sorry for the bee, but I remembered a joke about pies with kittens ... brrrr.
where Asian "restaurants" appear (Chinese, Korean, etc.) - stray dogs, cats, and ... I'm not sure about mice.
and the nuclear submarine K-152 "Nerpa" after the Indians will have to be treated with bleach anyway, thoroughly.

[musorg]

Maybe it will be enough to distribute our nuclear submarines here and there, and then to write them off.

[Gippo]

Gypsies fucked up one boat and showed it to everyone.
Right now they are asking for one more. The ending is obvious ...

[Wladimir134]

You lease them poplar. And then the tea party was tortured

[storm]

These Hindus are devil-handed, their planes are falling, their submarines are sinking, nuclear power units designed for 30 years of trouble-free operation suddenly stop working ...
It's time for them to recognize their "limited technical capacity" and hire foreign technicians and instructors for a good salary ...

[Other]

India admired the Project 152 K-971 Nerpa nuclear submarine after it refused to renew its lease agreement. Russia will not take part in the construction of 24 new submarines for the Indian Navy, including 18 diesel and six nuclear submarines. We can congratulate the Indian crew and command of the formation with the trouble-free operation of the infamous ship. India does not see any prospects for using Russian nuclear submarines, and Indian crews do not want to serve in conditions close to a floating barn.