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"Armored" hippos "in the heavy weight": in the West appreciated the operation of the new armored vehicles of the Australian army

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"Armored" hippos "in the heavy weight": in the West appreciated the operation of the new armored vehicles of the Australian army

The new technology, which has been put into operation in recent years by a number of Western countries, is causing serious controversy in the ranks of the local community. This time, Western observers showed a violent reaction, criticizing the decision of the Australian Department of Defense to acquire tanks and next generation armored vehicles.


As indicated by one of the authors in the ASPI edition, the main attribute of armored vehicles for the Australian army should be their mobility. And this is due not only to tactical considerations, but also dictated by the peculiarities of the country's transport infrastructure:

Road conditions will severely limit the mobility of the Australian forces' armored vehicles.

The M113 armored personnel carrier, in service since the 1970s, weighs 18 tons. The replacement weight of the Hanwha Redback and Rheinmetall KF41 Lynx models is more than doubled - 42 and 44 tons, respectively. The Australian Army's ASLAV, in service since the early 1990s, weighs 13,5 tonnes. The Rheinmetall Boxer BTR replacing this technique is almost three times heavier, weighing about 38 tons.


At the same time, just over half of bridges in Australia are built in accordance with the T44 design standard, which means they can withstand 44 tons of load. The rest are mostly built to MS18 or lower and are designed to carry 33 tons or less. In northern Australia, a zone of potential enemy landing, the problem is exacerbated by outdated road and bridge infrastructure.

The situation is compounded outside Australia: the situation is much worse in most of the Indo-Pacific region, including Papua New Guinea, the Pacific Islands and a number of parts of Southeast Asia.

As the observer points out on the pages of the Western edition, there are two ways to solve the infrastructure problem. The first is to use funds to upgrade roads and bridges in northern Australia. The second is to choose lighter armored vehicles, sacrificing protection in favor of greater mobility. Both options require a lot of investment.

The Ministry of Defense may have to rethink its approach to armored "behemoths" in heavy weight

- the author gives his assessment of the new armored vehicles.

Interestingly, with what features of hippos (animals) the Western author is trying to compare the functionality of armored vehicles ... If an attempt to find analogies in terms of massiveness, then for hippos, a large mass is not a problem for sufficiently fast movements

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  1. Doccor18
    Doccor18 5 June 2021 13: 58
    +9
    This problem has been around for decades ...
    Protection and heavy weight or better mobility. Everyone chooses for himself.
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 5 June 2021 15: 42
      +2
      Quote: Doccor18
      This problem has been around for decades ...
      Protection and heavy weight or better mobility. Everyone chooses for himself.

      Yes, this is the eternal competition between armor and projectile. And this competition goes on with varying degrees of success. Any powerful armor always carries an even more powerful projectile. So, the Australians will have to arm themselves with "hippos" and build bridges with an eye to the future under 100 tons of load.
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 5 June 2021 19: 05
        0
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        Quote: Doccor18
        This problem has been around for decades ...
        Protection and heavy weight or better mobility. Everyone chooses for himself.

        Yes, this is the eternal competition between armor and projectile. And this competition goes on with varying degrees of success. Any powerful armor always carries an even more powerful projectile. So, the Australians will have to arm themselves with "hippos" and build bridges with an eye to the future under 100 tons of load.

        Will not. Too expensive for ephemeral gains.
    2. Real Pilot
      Real Pilot 5 June 2021 22: 51
      -2
      This situation arises due to some "spoiled" Western soldier. Contract armies, where life and health insurance is mandatory, attempts are made to provide guarantees of survival for personnel, and the most comfortable living conditions at bases and in combat conditions are provided. Otherwise, they do not want to serve. Plus big military budgets and salaries.

      Air conditioning and conveniences are required on cars ... You can't put such soldiers in the BMP-1!
      Most non-amniks do not want to risk their lives.
      There are heads, but there are not many of them ...
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  3. knn54
    knn54 5 June 2021 14: 27
    +2
    Especially for Australia - armored carts, with ... kangaroos.
    What a saving in diesel fuel, and most importantly the effect of surprise - a flock of angry kangaroos. Not everyone can stand it.
    1. Aleksandre
      Aleksandre 6 June 2021 21: 03
      0
      Quote: knn54
      a flock of angry kangaroos. Not everyone can stand it.

      And if the kangaroo is also painted under zebras ...
  4. Lynx2000
    Lynx2000 5 June 2021 14: 48
    +8
    Honestly, Australia resembles "the elusive Joe", everyone has heard about it, but to conquer it, nobody needs it ...
    Regarding the superiority of armored vehicles, how do they (Australian road trains) drive?
    1. out of habit
      out of habit 5 June 2021 15: 55
      +7
      The mass of the road train is spread over a large area.
      1. Lynx2000
        Lynx2000 5 June 2021 16: 13
        +5
        Quote: out of habit
        The mass of the road train is spread over a large area.

        Even if we consider the mass of a simple road train, only a tractor with a loading platform and a trailer is 80-90 tons. It turns out a truck without a trailer weighs with a load (roughly counting) -50-55 tons. Although, modern 4-axle trucks only have a lifting capacity of 40 tons. Compare the mass of an armored personnel carrier and such a truck + 40 tons. cargo.
        During a temporary crossing, armored vehicles do not move with a distance of 1,5 - 2 meters. The truck will drive onto the bridge like an armored train, with its entire mass ...
    2. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
      Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 5 June 2021 22: 27
      +1
      You noticed beautifully and beautifully - Australia is not needed by anyone! Truly so. And the military can be understood - in any country in the world, they must draw up plans for defense or offensive, that is, work off their salaries. And in order to come up with threats - each country also has its own list and depends on the leaders of both the state and the General Staff.
      1. Normal ok
        Normal ok 6 June 2021 00: 13
        +3
        Quote: Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
        You noticed beautifully and beautifully - Australia is not needed by anyone! Truly so. And the military can be understood - in any country in the world, they must draw up plans for defense or offensive, that is, work off their salaries. And in order to come up with threats - each country also has its own list and depends on the leaders of both the state and the General Staff.

        China needs Australia, just like Japan did during WWII. It was just that the Japanese did not reach it then. And China can now.
        1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
          Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 6 June 2021 00: 51
          +1
          Yes, the Chinese threat to the world is no longer a joke or a joke ... If I had been told that around 1982 or 1985, I would have laughed. Now is no laughing matter! This is already a reality, however.
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 6 June 2021 20: 06
            +1
            Quote: Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
            Yes, the Chinese threat to the world is no longer a joke or a joke ...

            In the north of Australia hangs a multimillion-dollar Muslim Indonesia with ISIS and Al-Qaeda cells ....
        2. Albert1988
          Albert1988 6 June 2021 17: 14
          0
          Quote: Normal ok
          China needs Australia, just like Japan did during WWII. It was just that the Japanese did not reach it then. And China can now.

          Rather, Australia is needed as a NATO reserve, which can be thrown into some next "Iraq" instead of itself, as has been done sometimes. So everything is possible that this army and, accordingly, equipment are not made for use in Australia.
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 6 June 2021 20: 04
            0
            Quote: Albert1988
            Rather Australia is needed as a NATO reserve

            What does NATO have to do with it? Australia, like its neighbor New Zealand, is a member of ANZUS ...
            appliances are not made for use in Australia

            In Australia and Asia-Pacific countries ...
        3. Lynx2000
          Lynx2000 7 June 2021 05: 07
          0
          Quote: Normal ok
          China needs Australia, just like Japan did during WWII. It was just that the Japanese did not reach it then. And China can now.

          But modern China is not imperial Japan during WWII. China, like Ponyakovsky, will buy Australia and sell it again.
          China, unlike the United States, is present on the continents with capital and financial influence on the elite of states.
          In Australia's foreign trade balance in the supply of raw materials to China, a significant share is occupied by: coal and ore.
  5. Basarev
    Basarev 5 June 2021 14: 56
    +2
    Still, protection is more important, since the soldier's life is above all else. This means that you will have to build and build much stronger bridges. And ahead of schedule. Armored vehicles in the future will only get heavier, I do not exclude 60 tons. This means that by that time the bridges must freely withstand such a mass.
    1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
      Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 5 June 2021 22: 28
      +2
      Yes, let them build with the prospect of 100-120 tons!
    2. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 6 June 2021 20: 07
      +1
      Quote: Basarev
      Still, protection is more important, since the soldier's life is above all else. This means that you will have to build and build much stronger bridges.

      Nobody canceled the hinged armor ...
    3. Zefr
      Zefr 6 June 2021 23: 56
      0
      But if there are no bridges for heavy armored vehicles, then it did not resist the enemy either, excuse me? Why complicate your life by inviting an enemy with heavy equipment, and even specially building bridges for him?
  6. YOUR
    YOUR 5 June 2021 14: 58
    +3
    Who needs this Australia? But let the big Australian boys play with toys, the dances across the field and on the maps are chasing and broadcasting about the Russian threat. As they say, whatever the child is amused ...
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 5 June 2021 15: 17
      +3
      Quote: YOUR
      and broadcast about the Russian threat

      Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, Indian and Papua New Guinea feel
  7. moody
    moody 5 June 2021 15: 17
    +1
    In the north of Australia - the zone of probable landing of the enemy


    Interestingly, and who is going to land there then? Ah, I understood, here it is, the Iranian threat! What an insidious plan ...

    https://topwar.ru/183706-gruz-i-naznachenie-neizvestny-ssha-prodolzhajut-sledit-za-korabljami-vms-irana-iduschimi-v-atlantiku.html
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 5 June 2021 17: 09
      +2
      Ah, I understood, here it is, the Iranian threat!
      You forgot about North Korea. They cannot sleep there, as they want to tie all the kangaroos to the muzzles of guns and shoot them with the SPAAG.
  8. abrakadabre
    abrakadabre 5 June 2021 17: 05
    +4
    for hippos, a large mass is not a problem for sufficiently fast movements
    What do you mean, that's a problem But this is not a hippopotamus problem. Just like the poor eyesight of rhinos is a problem for others. wassat
    But seriously, the whole continent has a lot of desert landscapes and soils with excellent bearing capacity. They need to develop the railway network. It is impossible to look at the existing railway network without tears:



    There you can easily build several transcontinental branches and a transport ring along the coast. This would also revive the economic development of the territory.
    And militarily, it would remove all the logistical troubles.
    1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
      Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 5 June 2021 22: 34
      +2
      You are wrong - now put on this map the places of residence of the population and you will understand that there are roads and in figs are not needed! Their people live along the eastern coast of the country, and 90% of the territory is desert and so, except for gophers and snakes, there is no one. Even kangaroos don't live there!
      But about the transport ring around the coast - that's an idea! Write them to the prime minister. This is really healthy and cool !!!
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 5 June 2021 22: 49
        +1
        Their people live along the eastern coast of the country, and 90% of the territory is desert and so, except for gophers and snakes, there is no one.
        In this case, the presence of a road will just contribute to the development of desert places, and not only support existing settlements.
        1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
          Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 5 June 2021 22: 58
          +1
          Do you need to develop the virgin lands of Australia? We have our own problems here, rather than thinking about the aborigines of Australia, their kangaroos and gophers in the deserts.
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 6 June 2021 07: 52
            +2
            Do you need to develop the virgin lands of Australia? We have our own problems here above the roof, than even think about the aborigines of Australia
            What does it have to do with us, that is, Russia ?! fool
            1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
              Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 8 June 2021 10: 30
              0
              Here I am about the same!
    2. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 6 June 2021 11: 18
      +1
      Australia is lined with railroads for transporting ore. The composition with ore up to 5 km long indicates that the roads are of good quality.
  9. Pavel57
    Pavel57 6 June 2021 00: 54
    +2
    Quote: Doccor18
    This problem has been around for decades ...
    Protection and heavy weight or better mobility. Everyone chooses for himself.


    It also depends on the theater of operations. In Europe BMP-2, in Afghanistan - BMP-2D.