Russian President prophesied the fate of the Soviet Union to the United States

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Russian President Vladimir Putin prophesied the fate of the Soviet Union to the United States. He stated this at a meeting with the heads of world news agencies within the framework of the SPIEF.

According to Putin, the United States is following the path of the Soviet Union. Washington in its self-confidence creates problems with which it can no longer cope, although it continues to pretend that its economic, military and political power can overcome all difficulties.



In the United States, they believe that they are the most powerful in the world, so they can afford mistakes and errors. However, over time, the number of problems only increases and there comes a time when they accumulate and destroy everything. It is to this scenario that the United States is moving, as the USSR did in its time.

(...) it seems to them that they are so powerful that they can afford small errors and mistakes. We will buy these, we will scare these, we will come to an agreement with these, we will give beads with this, we will threaten them with warships. And this will solve the problems (...) The United States with a confident gait, a confident gait, a firm step is right on the path of the Soviet Union

- said the Russian president, adding that overconfidence in one's omnipotence is a typical problem of empires.

Note that Putin is not alone in his forecast. Many political and economic experts, including American ones, predict some kind of economic catastrophe for the United States, which may occur in the next 20 years. It is possible that shocks will lead to the collapse of the United States, just like the Soviet Union in its time.
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  1. +19
    5 June 2021 12: 22
    Note that Putin is not alone in his forecast. Many political and economic experts, including American ones, predict some kind of economic catastrophe for the United States, which may occur in the next 20 years. It is possible that shocks will lead to the collapse of the United States, just like the Soviet Union in its time.

    Yes sir. This special Olympiad is already 40-50 years old. The third generation is predicting.
    After all, all our problems are because of them. As soon as they are gone, then we will heal.
    1. KAV
      +4
      5 June 2021 12: 27
      Any empire, as the centuries-old history shows, is not eternal. The time will come for the United States to disintegrate. Decline and degradation are already taking place in them by leaps and bounds.
      1. AUL
        +18
        5 June 2021 14: 26
        Quote: KAV
        Decline and degradation are already taking place in them by leaps and bounds.

        We would have such a decline ... sad
        1. 0
          7 June 2021 10: 20
          Quote from AUL
          We would have such a decline ...

          the fact is that many countries have Treasuries and pay interest on them, while the dollar is not tied to anything and the standard itself. It is enough to offer the world a different standard and the dollar will collapse. I think the energy ruble could become such a standard.
      2. +4
        5 June 2021 14: 37
        Quote: KAV
        Any empire, as the centuries-old history shows, is not eternal. The time will come for the United States to disintegrate.

        I wonder if Domestos held a competition for the worst school toilets in the USA, like ours?
      3. +3
        5 June 2021 19: 30
        Quote: KAV
        Any empire, as the centuries-old history shows, is not eternal. The time will come for the United States to disintegrate.

        ========
        Oddly enough - yes! The pardon that drives the "empire" to collapse is based on a deceptive feeling of "permissiveness" .... This is what led to the complete collapse of the Roman Empire and Byzantium and the "Third Reich" .....
        1. 0
          5 June 2021 20: 13
          Broom. The Roman Empire was ruined by bribes, as well as what it was inside, everyone for himself. At the same time, everyone thought that if he felt good, the country would not fall apart, he needed to make money. But the money should not be in Rome, but where the thief will hide this money. Are dollars hidden in the USA in China, Russia, in Europe? The loudest shouts to keep the thief, the thief himself.
          1. 0
            6 June 2021 00: 36
            Quote: zenion
            The Roman Empire was destroyed by bribes, as well as what it was inside, everyone for himself. At the same time, everyone thought that if he felt good, then the country would not fall apart.

            =======
            Zenion! These are all little things, or rather particular! But in general - the Roman Empire was destroyed by megalomania and permissiveness!
          2. 0
            7 June 2021 14: 58
            Quote: zenion
            The Roman Empire was destroyed by bribes

            The Roman Empire was destroyed by the cult of consumerism. "Meal'n'Real!" - that's what the enlightened citizens of the Empire wanted .. Americans want smile
    2. +8
      5 June 2021 12: 29
      Quote: Engineer Schukin
      Yes sir. This special Olympiad is already 40-50 years old. The third generation is predicting. After all, all our problems are because of them. As soon as they are gone, then we will heal.

      Well, how are you small? While people hawala, Omerigans will be the cause of all internal problems. When they stop responding to the Omerigans and making a patriotic stance, someone else will be appointed. What's wrong with the Chinese, for example? The wide-eyed, they say it is not clear, the non-Orthodox unambiguously.
      1. KAV
        +5
        5 June 2021 12: 39
        Quote: Aleksandre
        While people hawala, Omerigans will be the cause of all internal problems.
        That is, do you want to declare with full responsibility that the United States and its henchmen do not interfere with our development? Do they not arrange provocations, do not put a spoke in the wheels, do not lie to the whole world at our expense, do they not impose sanctions? Ie, these are all fairy tales? In fact, apparently, we ourselves are such gouges? Oh well.
        1. +39
          5 June 2021 12: 45
          Does the USA and their henchmen prevent us from developing?

          They spoiled the Soviet Union even more, which by no means prevented it from developing at a rapid pace .. Apparently - it's all the same in the henchmen of the domestic spill ..
          1. KAV
            -23
            5 June 2021 12: 46
            Quote: paul3390
            They spoiled the Soviet Union even more
            Well, for example, how did they spoil the USSR more?
            1. +6
              5 June 2021 12: 49
              Are you serious ?? How old are you?
              1. KAV
                -16
                5 June 2021 12: 50
                The answer is not a boy, but a husband? I can also ask - how old are you? This alone will not answer my previous question.
                1. +7
                  5 June 2021 12: 52
                  You see - to stupid questions and to answer somehow lazily .. If according to your USA they did not crap the Union - well, what is there to talk about? And I am old enough to find the USSR at a fully germinated age ..
                  1. KAV
                    -15
                    5 June 2021 12: 55
                    Quote: paul3390
                    You see, it's kind of lazy to answer stupid questions.
                    You are not lazy, but there is nothing corny to answer.
                    Quote: paul3390
                    If, according to your opinion, the United States did not crap the Union - well, what is there to talk about?
                    Read my question again. Apparently, you missed some words from it, through inattention, or intentionally.
                2. +17
                  5 June 2021 13: 02
                  Quote: KAV
                  The answer is not a boy, but a husband?

                  The reason for the question is that only stupid children do not know that the USSR was under much more substantial sanctions for almost its entire history.
                  1. KAV
                    -13
                    5 June 2021 13: 08
                    Quote: Aleksandre
                    The USSR was under almost all of its history much more substantial sanctions.
                    The question is in bold text. What were the much more significant sanctions? Paul3390 could not answer this question. Maybe you can?
                    1. +14
                      5 June 2021 13: 23
                      Quote: KAV
                      The question is in bold text. What were the much more significant sanctions? Paul3390 could not answer this question. Maybe you can?

                      Instructions for using the search engine for those to whom their parents just recently gave his first computer:
                      1) open the browser (this is such a thing for viewing pages on these very Internet)
                      2) in the address bar, type the address google.ru (or ya.ru, duckduckgo.com, etc., who is closer to what in terms of religious views and moral principles)
                      3) in the search box on the page that opens, we type, for example, "USSR sanctions"
                      4) read, read, read
                      5) and gradually we stop asking idiotic questions, especially since the answers lie at the top

                      PS And I'm not going to post so many links here, I'm afraid to be misunderstood by the moderators.
                      1. KAV
                        -12
                        5 June 2021 13: 29
                        Quote: Aleksandre
                        Instructions for using the search engine for those to whom their parents just recently presented their first computer
                        It's good that your parents gave you your first computer! Thank you! It came in handy even for those who have computers since 1995. And then during this time I managed to forget the instructions.
                        If on the topic, then again the same thing. There is no need to sprinkle links here. It was enough to point out a couple of terrible sanctions that were applied to the USSR and which are not applied to Russia.
                        But, you are just starting to use a computer, right? Then you are forgiven.
                      2. +7
                        5 June 2021 14: 48
                        Alexander, are you sure you are right?
                        What did the Soviet Union get the most?
                        Did the USSR have a Central Bank?
                        WITH SUCH founders and subordination?
                        Was the Soviet Union able to issue its own currency?
                        Independently lend to your economy and development programs?
                        If you are not sure of the answer, we are looking for a speech by Comrade Stalin following the results of the First Five-Year Plan.
                        Did the Soviet Union have anything like "Fiscal Rules" from the IMF and the World Bank?
                        Could the USSR freely dispose of its SAVINGS, or was it obliged to invest them in the development of the economies of its enemies?
                        These are very important questions. But not all .
                        Did so many NGOs, intelligence, sabotage and subversive centers and cells operate in the USSR in such a quantity, and in such capacity?
                        Did American and British consulting agencies write laws, rules, and plans to the Soviet Union?
                        Was there a "juvenile justice" in the USSR that was not under the control of domestic jurisdiction?

                        Did the Soviet officials and business leaders have dual and triple citizenships, accounts, real estate and business abroad?
                        Where did the Soviet enterprises pay taxes? In the USSR, or in the jurisdictions of their ideological, political and military opponents?
                        Was the death penalty banned in the USSR?
                        Did ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE have the status of immunity in the Land of Soviets?

                        Think about it.
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                      4. +1
                        5 June 2021 17: 37
                        Quote: Aleksandre
                        that the internal problems of Russia have their exclusively internal origin?

                        When the body's immunity weakens, it is affected by various parasites, which are not terrible for a healthy body. In this case, we are talking about the same state (though seriously curtailed in terms of territory and population), just in different eras.
                        The Soviet Union did not allow itself to be treated in the way that the modern government in the Russian Federation allows, did not give free rein to their agents of influence, intelligence services, banks and other non-profit organizations. He did not listen to the orders of Western bankers, did not tear from the population for each purchase for 20% of the cost or more.
                        And your position resembles a person who saw a wounded man with a knife in his back and reasoned: "This is how he is." ...
                        The USSR didn’t allow it to be like that, and it didn’t happen that way.
                        Therefore, the SANCTIONS (which were discussed) in the USSR were much less, and those that were, were not so sophisticated and bezyzhny.
                        And they were the USSR on a big Turkish drum, because in the CMEA trade was carried out for transferable rubles, and the United States bought our oil for dollars.
                        And Europe is gas. For stamps and other currencies.
                        And if you do not consider the existence of such things as the "Budget Rule" as sanctions ... If you do not consider the existence of such a structure as the "Central Bank of the Russian Federation" as sanctions ... which in general the Russian Federation, its government and the president is not subordinate ... What then are sanctions can you even count?
                        If THAT is an infringement of the rights, freedoms and opportunities of the State, its citizens and authorities, you do not consider sanctions ... what are we talking about then?
                        About a ban on the entry into the United States of someone from their entourage of the elected head of this state that has been impaired in its rights?
                        And they / we didn’t make it up to ourselves. This was done by their agents - Gorbachev, Yakovlev, Shevardnadze, Yeltsin, etc., etc., etc., patron, curator and locomotive in whose power was the agent of the three intelligence services Andropov.
                        When the Soviet people voted to preserve the USSR ... did anyone listen to them?
                        Of the agents of the enemy?
                        Only cats themselves will be born.
                        And the coups are done - the traitors.
                      5. +1
                        5 June 2021 18: 39
                        Quote: bayard
                        When the body's immunity weakens, it is affected by various parasites that are not terrible for a healthy body. In this case, we are talking about one and the same state (though seriously curtailed in terms of territory and population), just in different eras. etc

                        And again you contradict yourself) Sanctions are something introduced against the will of their recipient (or are there volunteers-masochists, and what would be with joy on their faces?) In the form of punishment, while the same Central Bank is apparently satisfied with the Russian citizens, that is, it was accepted voluntarily, and it seems that it was not free of charge, because who would try so hard for free. And it is not necessary to say that Article 75 is difficult, more precisely, it is simply impossible to correct or delete it as unnecessary, so you have to puff, but drag with the last bit of strength. Still, everyone has fresh memories of two hundred amendments that were adopted so promptly that they did not have time to read everything, let alone figure out why all this was needed. And from here we have not "sanctions", as you called it, but quite a deliberate collaboration with the benefit of all those participating in it.
                        Collaboration is an internal problem.
                      6. +1
                        5 June 2021 19: 27
                        Quote: Aleksandre
                        Sanctions are something introduced against the will of their recipient (or are there volunteers-masochists, and what would be with joy on the face?) In the form of punishment

                        You seem to have studied the Kabbalah and the section on the role and benefits of the Scapegoat quite well. But do not throw karma on those who are not involved in treason and collaboration, these characters have surnames, names and even patronymics. And if a spy and saboteur rejoices in the success of his evil deed, then this is HIS joy. But not the joy of the injured party.
                        And sanctions are not punishment for a disobedient slave / agent of influence / calabor in power, but the introduction of a regime of restriction and prohibition on a number of activities, property rights, freedom of movement, entrepreneurship, etc. And if the existence of the Central Bank and the "Fiscal Rule" is not so, then what else can be considered sanctions?
                        Personal restrictions on the leaders of the rebellious colony?
                        Do not make me laugh . The terms can be used in different ways, but the very fact of the existence of such restrictions, prohibitions, infringements and defeats in rights has a legal meaning. And the essence of this fact does not change, even if these sanctions are included in the "Constitution" of the Russian Federation as a law, or are presented as "just a recommendation" from the IMF and the World Bank.
                        And the fact that you were killing a person "sang a song and had fun" does not mean that there was no malicious intent and the crime itself.
                        Quote: Aleksandre
                        Collaboration is an internal problem.

                        This is so, but it always comes from outside.
                        If there was no buyer, who would sell the Motherland?
                      7. +1
                        5 June 2021 20: 07
                        Quote: bayard
                        This is so, but it always comes from outside.
                        If there was no buyer, who would sell the Motherland?

                        "And then, as the chairman later claimed, a miracle happened: the pack itself crawled into his briefcase." (from) wassat
                        For the buyer, the fact of the purchase is a job well done. For the purchased, the fact of its sale is at least a violation of obligations, and even treason.
                        So who is the fault?
              2. +6
                5 June 2021 13: 03
                Quote: paul3390
                Are you serious ?? How old are you?

                Child of Belovezhskaya Pushcha.
              3. -7
                5 June 2021 15: 06
                And the truth is, in what shit more? I am 42 years old. Enlighten?
                1. 0
                  6 June 2021 14: 15
                  Does the Cold War mean anything? And, yes, they lived together ... Especially since then, when the fake "Apollo" was fished out of the ocean and the Hungarians were allowed to film it ... wink
            2. +10
              5 June 2021 12: 59
              Quote: KAV
              Well, for example, how did they spoil the USSR more?

              Does the result of the US alliance with the Saudis mean anything to you?
              "In August 1985, two economic blows hit the USSR. Washington devalued the dollar by 25%. The dollar was devalued, the nominal revenues of the US budget increased. The US eased its national debt. American goods fell in price, became more competitive. Real revenues of the USSR from the sale of energy resources fell, since contracts for the supply of oil and gas abroad were calculated in dollars. The Saudis were warned about the depreciation of the dollar. In August, Saudi Arabia sharply increased oil production: from 2 million barrels per day to 6, and then 9 million. Oil prices for six months fell from $ 30 to $ 12 a day. In 1986, the price dropped to $ 10 a barrel or less. "
              1. KAV
                -1
                5 June 2021 13: 11
                Quote: WIKI
                Does the result of the US alliance with the Saudis mean anything to you?
                Remind me, please, but now, in the recent history of Russia, all of this is not and was not? Or, do you remember the history of sanctions only during the Soviet era?
                1. +5
                  5 June 2021 13: 46
                  Quote: KAV
                  Remind please

                  I have already reminded you once and answered your question. How can? Then you yourself.
              2. +1
                5 June 2021 15: 07
                And this has already happened. Recently quite. Pozhamkany came out not only we. And not even so much.
                1. +2
                  5 June 2021 17: 59
                  And what, 2008 is not that?
              3. 0
                5 June 2021 16: 37
                Yes, your calculations are correct, but for some reason we perceive the devaluation of the ruble as a collapse, and the fact that the dollar sank even from 90 years by 100-200 percent, everything is fine, if you take from 60-70 years, the dollar in general probably fell by 1000%
                1. +1
                  5 June 2021 19: 35
                  but for some reason, the devaluation of the ruble is perceived as a collapse, but the fact that the dollar sank even from 90 years by 100-200 percent, everything is fine, if you take from 60-70 years, the dollar in general probably fell by 1000%

                  The dollar has depreciated, and the ruble has depreciated to the depreciated dollar, then the bish is even more.
                  1. +1
                    5 June 2021 20: 25
                    The point is not, all this inflation is not worth a living, the shopping basket is an indicator, compared to 90 tonnes, we have grown three times, if we take into account the crisis in our country, in America, if you objectively judge, perhaps even the standard of living fell the most favorable country for life, recently the standard of living in Russia has been falling, but also in the United States, even faster. China remains the leader in raising the standard of living of the population, really amazing successes
                    1. +1
                      5 June 2021 22: 00
                      Recently, the standard of living in Russia has been falling, but also in the United States, even faster

                      good joke! laughing
                      1. -3
                        5 June 2021 22: 24
                        A joke, probably one of the first countries for homeless people, murders and, if not strange, prisoners in prison, this is a fact you would like to live there
                      2. -2
                        5 June 2021 22: 57
                        I often visit Russia and the USA. I can compare. Therefore, I will not accept your words in any other way, except as a joke. Yes
                      3. -4
                        5 June 2021 22: 38
                        And how many people like you are buried in the swamps of Arezona and Texas, there is a legal system, sheriffs like John Rimbaud are welcome
                      4. -2
                        5 June 2021 23: 03
                        Listen, the wrong person was chosen to hang noodles on their ears. laughing Let's end the dialogue. Good luck to you! hi
                      5. 0
                        5 June 2021 23: 09
                        And according to the first answer, you have something to say that the United States is one of the leaders in the world, about homeless people, murders and prisoners, how questions are not convenient begin to merge
                      6. +1
                        6 June 2021 10: 38
                        Quote: Warrior-80
                        And according to the first answer, you have something to say that the United States is one of the leaders in the world, about homeless people, murders and prisoners, how questions are not convenient begin to merge

                        I noticed that your communication style is the pronunciation of certain slogans. We are not tea on TV. Specify your statements, then you will have something to argue about. Regarding the murder rate, where are we and where is america:
                        https://knoema.ru/atlas/ranks/Уровень-убийств
                        Explore at your leisure:
                        https://knoema.ru/atlas/ranks
                      7. 0
                        6 June 2021 18: 24
                        In the us, 5 murders per hundred of the population is a bad indicator, we have 8, but this is the UN data, I don’t really believe them, there are 1,5 million for the homeless and this is in the country of dreams of some, I don’t say anything, we still have worse, it is necessary work. I’m just a patriot and I don’t hide it, and there’s a lot that doesn’t make me happy in our country.
                      8. 0
                        20 June 2021 09: 02
                        Quote: Warrior-80
                        This is the UN data, I don't really believe them

                        https://knoema.ru/atlas/sources
                2. +2
                  5 June 2021 20: 24
                  Your assumptions are not correct. The dollar is devalued against six currencies at once: the euro (EUR), the yen (JPY), the pound sterling (GBP), the Canadian dollar (CAD), the Swedish krona (SEK) and the Swiss franc (CHF). And that dollar value is expressed in the DXY index. Initially, it was equal to 100, as of the start date - March 1973. Currently 90,13. Devaluation relative to the benchmark is 9,87%. And historically it has changed like this:
              4. 0
                6 June 2021 02: 33
                Quote: WIKI
                In 1986, the price dropped to $ 10 a barrel or less. "

                And grain and other foodstuffs had to be bought over the hill for foreign currency. Because there was nothing to eat of my own
            3. +3
              5 June 2021 13: 06
              "Well, for example, how did they spoil the USSR more?"

              They intervened in our elections and appointed Gorbachev as General Secretary. lol
              Then he shit ...
              1. KAV
                -9
                5 June 2021 13: 12
                Quote: prior
                They intervened in our elections and appointed Gorbachev as General Secretary.
                Then he shit ...
                Yeah, and after him EBN shit. And the United States has absolutely nothing to do with it.
            4. -8
              5 June 2021 13: 23
              Quote: KAV
              Well, for example, how did they spoil the USSR more?

              The biggest military disgusting is in the war in Afghanistan. In political terms, this is the collapse of the USSR. Just don't sing that we collapsed ourselves. The trouble for Russia, like the USSR, is that we defended ourselves after the accomplished actions of the enemy and justified ourselves by being content with what we had achieved. how it was necessary to get ahead of the enemy and block his intentions. As Putin is doing now, although he is not my ideal.
              1. KAV
                -13
                5 June 2021 13: 40
                Quote: Mar. Tira
                The biggest military nasty thing is the war in Afghanistan.
                Okay. And in the history of Russia there were two Chechens.
                Quote: Mar. Tira
                In political terms, this is the collapse of the USSR.
                We, too, would have collapsed if all these protests, from Bolotnaya onwards, had not been suppressed in conception.
                Quote: Mar. Tira
                Just don’t sing that we fell apart ourselves.
                I do not belong to a sect of witnesses to the self-destruction of the Union.
                Quote: Mar. Tira
                While it was necessary to get ahead of the enemy and block his intentions. As Putin is doing now, he is not my ideal either.
                I agree with you completely!
                1. 0
                  5 June 2021 15: 46
                  Quote: KAV
                  I agree with you completely!

                  Well, that's a different matter. It would have been like that. Otherwise, Kolya from Urengoy was arranged here only with the American "innocent" regime. The USA did not bother us.
              2. Alf
                +2
                5 June 2021 17: 50
                Quote: Mar. Tira
                While it was necessary to get ahead of the enemy and block his intentions. As Putin is doing now, he is not my ideal either.

                And how are you getting ahead of yourself?
          2. -3
            5 June 2021 12: 48
            Quote: paul3390
            They spoiled the Soviet Union even more

            So where is he now?
            1. +7
              5 June 2021 12: 50
              It is known where. Was sold by the elites in the bud. But you will agree - you can only sell what has the same price? And in our case, I'm not very sickly ..
              1. -2
                5 June 2021 13: 28
                Quote: paul3390
                It is known where. Was sold by the elites in the bud. But you will agree - you can only sell what has the same price? And in our case, I'm not very sickly ..

                Gorbachev is now advertising pizza.
                1. 0
                  6 June 2021 02: 37
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Gorbachev is now advertising pizza.

                  So that he chokes on it ...
                  1. 0
                    6 June 2021 06: 47
                    It would be nice.
              2. 0
                5 June 2021 15: 10
                Well ... you can sell anything. Even excrement.
                1. 0
                  5 June 2021 18: 00
                  And why did they nominate? Don't they sell manure?
            2. KAV
              -5
              5 June 2021 12: 53
              Quote: Dart2027
              So where is he now?
              Apparently, it developed so rapidly, according to paul3390, that it was torn apart by centrifugal forces ... But here again it is not the United States that is to blame (sarcasm).
              1. -2
                5 June 2021 20: 15
                Read the classics at last! am What happened to the USSR is described by all theorists and practitioners of Marxism, from Marx himself to Comrade Stalin. Everything is chewed and laid out on the shelves .. fool

                But why they did not listen to them is a separate huge question that cannot be answered in short.
            3. -1
              5 June 2021 13: 39
              So your "Liberator" Gorbachev handed him over to YOU, the enemies of the communists. And by what you yourself said and wrote after your seizure of the USSR, you proved that you recognize the destruction of the USSR as a crime against the country and the people, therefore you cowardly shift the blame on the communists and their supporters, and therefore made up a bunch of nonsense about the destruction of the USSR, like that that it fell apart by itself because it had rotted away.
              1. 0
                5 June 2021 15: 13
                The USSR was destroyed by EVERYTHING ... Not only and not even so much the elite, but all of us. Question: where were you from 19 to 21 August 1991? What actions were taken to preserve the USSR?
                1. +1
                  5 June 2021 18: 01
                  And for what a minus? Apparently they were on the barricades?
                2. +4
                  5 June 2021 20: 19
                  Were we aware then that the USSR was falling apart and that capitalism would be restored in our country? If you forgot - read what Yelkin and his type of reformers wove to us then! Will you find it yourself in the internet? I remind you - they promised an updated socialism and the renewed USSR! But in practice - look how it turned out. Alas - they dumped us stupidly and corny, like the last suckers ..
                3. 0
                  6 June 2021 17: 58
                  The people and I were building barricades in St. Petersburg, there was a rumor that the communists had sent an army to St. Petersburg.
                  The communists got everyone.
                4. 0
                  6 June 2021 18: 06
                  Then it was not up to the USSR. We thought how to get rid of the communists. Most of them hated them.
              2. -4
                5 June 2021 15: 41
                Quote: tatra
                like it fell apart by itself because it rotted away.

                Dear friend of the communists, it did not fall apart, of course, by itself - the dismantling of the system was carried out both from the outside and from the inside. And the fact that this very dismantling was carried out quite quickly, in a relatively short time and without much resistance, was facilitated by the dilapidation and rottenness of the structures. Moreover, in the last years of the existence of the Union, the smell of rot began to appear more and more clearly. By the way, the process of decay of the system did not begin by itself either - the prerequisites for this did not accumulate for a year or two. And gradually decay began to penetrate into the very foundations of the Soviet System, striking ideology, economy, defense ...
                P.S. By the way, where were you in August 1991? wink
                1. +5
                  5 June 2021 15: 53
                  Enough of your cowardly anti-Soviet nonsense, enemies of the communists. None of you is able to prove how, without Gorbachev, you could seize the USSR, and impose YOURSELF in power, YOUR System, YOUR economy, YOUR ideology - an evil, slanderous, cowardly, delusional anti-Soviet with your hypocritical "philanthropy" the facts under Soviet rule, which you do not care about in all other cases.
                  1. -8
                    5 June 2021 16: 00
                    Quote: tatra
                    None of you are able to prove how without Gorbachev you could have captured the USSR

                    How primitive and weak was the state structure of the USSR, if one person could destroy it (according to the ardent communists).
                    1. +2
                      5 June 2021 16: 05
                      Ha, another cowardly anti-Soviet training manual. In Russia - pre-revolutionary, Soviet, anti-Soviet, there has always been and is autocracy, when the leader of the country has real power, and he can both make a huge leap forward in the development / modernization of the country and the people - both Peter the Great and Stalin, hated by the enemies of the communists, and ditch country, like your benefactors Gorbachev, Yeltsin, and those who follow, whom you impose on the power of Russia and the Russian people.
                      1. 0
                        5 June 2021 16: 07
                        Quote: tatra
                        Ha, another cowardly anti-Soviet training manual

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        How primitive and weak was the state structure of the USSR, if one person could destroy it (according to the ardent communists).

                        Well, how much?
                      2. -1
                        5 June 2021 16: 14
                        What a stupid question ?
                      3. -7
                        5 June 2021 16: 43
                        That is, the truth hurts.
                      4. 0
                        5 June 2021 16: 46
                        Ha, what's the truth? That your benefactor Putin, enemies of the communists, cannot do what your other benefactor Gorbachev did - to give freedom to the separatists and surrender the country and people to their external and internal enemies?
                      5. -1
                        5 June 2021 18: 23
                        Quote: tatra
                        Ha, what's the truth?

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        How primitive and weak was the state structure of the USSR, if one person could destroy it (according to the ardent communists).
                      6. -1
                        5 June 2021 18: 45
                        Do you need to explain the same thing 100 times if you don't get it the first time?
                      7. -2
                        5 June 2021 20: 04
                        Quote: tatra
                        Do you need to explain the same thing 100 times

                        I don’t see one explanation.
                      8. +1
                        5 June 2021 21: 05
                        That, and your benefactor Putin, enemies of the communists, cannot do what your other benefactor Gorbachev did

                        Putin is defamed, called a dictator, Gorbachev - Nobel Prize and praise. How do you explain this in your training manual?
          3. 0
            5 June 2021 14: 39
            Quote: paul3390
            They spoiled the Soviet Union even more

            And the USSR did not shit? The process was reciprocal
          4. +2
            5 June 2021 19: 42
            Quote: paul3390
            Apparently - it's all the same in the henchmen of the domestic spill ..

            ========
            Pavel, but is it a PATRIOTIC one? In your opinion, "Navalny and Co" is what? Is it a purely Russian "structure"?
            I personally DO NOT CONSIDER!
            This is exclusively a "product" grown by the WESTERN special services!
            "Passport" in this case - DOES NOT HAVE ANY value !!!
            This "bulk", "basement" or "failure" (choose any version) - NEVER will RussianOr Russian!
            His destiny is to be eternal puppet West !!!
            1. +2
              5 June 2021 20: 21
              Actually - I didn’t mean the bulk ..
          5. +2
            5 June 2021 20: 01
            This is precisely the question that the US sanctions have always influenced the USSR less, because we have developed in different economic structures. And the Russian Federation is integrated into the global economy. And if this is news to you, then you probably found the USSR in childhood or did not learn history much.
          6. -1
            5 June 2021 20: 38
            which by no means prevented him from developing at a rapid pace ..

            It developed so rapidly that it already disappeared. We do not need such development for sure.
        2. +4
          5 June 2021 13: 00
          Quote: KAV
          That is, do you want to declare with full responsibility that the United States and its henchmen do not interfere with our development? Do they not arrange provocations, do not put a spoke in the wheels, do not lie to the whole world at our expense, do they not impose sanctions?

          I want to state with full responsibility that you should never read the text diagonally, since all of the above are problems in international relations. But nevertheless, the "patriotic stance" was counted at the "five" mark.
          Ie, these are all fairy tales? In fact, apparently, we ourselves are such gouges? Oh well.

          No, of course not yourself. It is the Omerigans who throw two tons of money to modest colonels and regularly raise prices for Russian products and housing and communal services. All of them, damned, not home-grown rats, wanting more and more money. Well, or at least morally corrupt, that is, they are still to blame for everything.
          1. KAV
            -3
            5 June 2021 13: 25
            Quote: Aleksandre
            all of the above are problems in international relations
            Oh really? And what is the reason for bad international relations? Of course, you will say anything you like, but not that the reason is stupid in the West's desire to break and plunder Russia.
            Quote: Aleksandre
            never read the text diagonally
            Well, teach others, but don't use it yourself ... somehow it's not an adult ...
            Everything else that you have said is not constructive at all. All the best to you.
            1. -1
              5 June 2021 16: 48
              Quote: KAV
              the above are problems in international relations
              Oh really? And what is the reason for bad international relations? Of course, you will say anything you like, but not that the reason is stupid in the West's desire to break and plunder Russia.

              Until 2014, they did not interfere with our development, and even more, they did what was beneficial to our development. Cooperated in space, for example, or purchased Mi-17 helicopters.
              1. 0
                5 June 2021 21: 12
                Until 2014, they did not interfere with our development, and even more, they did what was beneficial to our development. Cooperated in space, for example, or purchased Mi-17 helicopters.

                What happened in 2014, what did Russia do that the West began to hinder our development? Did Russia do something wrong in 2014? Enlighten.
                1. -1
                  6 June 2021 16: 22
                  In 2014, Russia announced that it will now defend its interests in any way it sees fit. That is, it has moved from the model of legal regulation of relations to the model of "the right of the strong". In this case, I do not assess whether this is good or bad, but it is quite natural that they will begin to respond to this by hindering the growth of strength.
                  1. 0
                    6 June 2021 17: 02
                    In 2014, Russia announced that it will now defend its interests in any way it sees fit.

                    To be honest, I don’t remember such pronounced statements in 2014, unless we consider Crimea as such. I remember in 2021. There is no choice in any case. Our "Western partners" are indiscriminate in their means, we can either watch as they destroy us, or "defend our interests in any way we see fit."
                    1. 0
                      6 June 2021 17: 20
                      Well, Crimea was that turning point after which it became clear that "there is no choice in any case." And before that, projects with the West were an important driving force of development for Russia.
        3. +10
          5 June 2021 14: 09
          Quote: KAV
          In fact, apparently, we ourselves are such gouges? Oh well.

          Not. not gouging, but greedy grabbers in power, without a flag and homeland. Their own greed, short-sightedness, money-grubbing, lies and cowardice put sticks in their wheels!
        4. +4
          5 June 2021 14: 13
          as if the USSR in the past or the Russian Federation in the present "did not put a spoke in the wheels, did not lie to the whole world at their expense"? with great pleasure, they got involved in any conflict, supplied any cannibals, but if under the slogan of "struggle against colonialism and imperialism", and if it was a question of "transition to socialist rails of development"
          - any irrevocable loan and mountains of weapons.
          1. 0
            5 June 2021 21: 14
            or the Russian Federation in the present "did not put a spoke in the wheels, did not lie to the whole world at their expense"

            Please give an example.
            1. 0
              6 June 2021 05: 45
              to the search engine by key
              the words "usa, hackers, russia". just for fun "
              elections "add.
        5. Alf
          +6
          5 June 2021 17: 46
          Quote: KAV
          That is, you want to declare with full responsibility that the United States and its henchmen do not interfere with our development?

          Have the Americans raised our pension age too? Are the residents of Zaluzha increasing the price of gasoline every day? Are the new taxes also their work?
        6. 0
          6 June 2021 06: 40
          Quote: KAV
          That is, you want to declare with full responsibility that the United States and its henchmen do not interfere with our development?

          There are always some "Americans" ... wink
          Moreover, as with the Americans themselves. wassat ..
        7. 0
          7 June 2021 14: 59
          Quote: KAV
          In fact, apparently, we ourselves are such gouges?

          you need to be self-sufficient, at least in the military.
    3. +5
      5 June 2021 12: 35
      Quote: Engineer Shchukin
      from as soon as they are gone, then we will heal.

      It is very convenient to write off your own problems on the intrigues of enemies, and it is even more convenient to consider yourself infallible "white and fluffy" with the right to judge and punish. Americans have long been publicly declaring their exclusivity and no one pays attention to it. This is not even a step towards Nazism, this is already outright fascism, which has shown itself in all its "glory" in dozens of countries around the world where the United States destroyed not only political and economic systems, but was engaged in outright genocide. And all "for some reason" are embarrassed to talk about it openly. Just humbly celebrate
      We will buy these, we will scare these, we will agree with these, we will give beads with this, we will threaten with warships
      ... I would have shook my finger, negative pancake
      1. KAV
        -10
        5 June 2021 12: 41
        Quote: Zorro21
        Americans have long been publicly proclaiming their exclusivity and no one pays attention to it.
        Why no one? Our Foreign Ministry, and the GDP, have repeatedly drawn the attention of the world community to the inadmissibility of such an approach. Only now, the world community, with the exception of a few countries, has thrust its tongues into the anatomical hole and keep mum in a rag ...
    4. +13
      5 June 2021 12: 45
      After all, all our problems are because of them. As soon as they are gone, then we will heal.

      No, the problem is only in fools who are not even able to understand the meaning of what was said.

    5. +9
      5 June 2021 12: 48
      No, the collapse and destruction of the United States, within 2 months - 20-200 years, is predicted from the year 1925-1935 .. Yes, five years ago there was a wahkanalia, Obama, Trump down, Elenston will explode, the byzones are gone, the old Indian predicted destruction of the United States, the dollar will fall. And only utin leads us to prosperity. In short, we are flourishing.
      1. AUL
        +6
        5 June 2021 14: 37
        Quote: Free Wind
        No, the collapse and destruction of the United States, within 2 months - 20-200 years, is predicted from the year 1925-1935 .. Yes, five years ago there was a wahkanalia, Obama, Trump down, Elenston will explode, the byzones are gone, the old Indian predicted destruction of the United States, the dollar will fall.

        While the fat one dries, the skinny one will die! (Folk wisdom).
      2. 0
        5 June 2021 15: 58
        Anything can be predicted. But there is one thing that is hard to deny. All world empires were falling apart. Each and every one disappeared into the darkness of time.
        1. +3
          5 June 2021 22: 41
          More pathos in the saying of platitudes. Otherwise, it looks not convincing enough from the point of view of hanging noodles on the ears of the average man.
    6. -11
      5 June 2021 12: 49
      The situation has really changed, even in old Europe, the trend of estrangement from the United States began to increase, its own European army, an analogue of NATO without the United States, economic independence, if Europe cannot get out of this bondage, it will end, decrepit, losing markets with the replacement of the popua population, Europe is doomed. The United States is determined to lose influence in the next 20-30 years, this is inevitable
      1. -13
        5 June 2021 13: 02
        I predicted this 15 years ago, if Europe does not change, a sad fate awaits, if the United States still gets out of the crisis and remains strong, Europe that we know can disappear, turn into countries of 3 worlds in 100 years, yesterday one person laid out a picture of how the United States moves to Europe, running into Russia and China
        1. -12
          5 June 2021 13: 22
          Europe and the United States have practically nothing left to offer the world, all technologies have been adopted and used and the leading countries are developing them, at the same time, the scientific potential of Europe in particular is falling, in view of the lack of colified personnel, which worker is from Arab or African, this trend will only get worse. Russia should not miss this historical moment, I think steps are already being taken, last fall a budget was adopted for the allocation of electronic and high-tech products like 2 trillion rubles, a solid sum in mine, I think we will know the exhaust by the age of 30
          1. +9
            5 June 2021 13: 40
            Excuse me, but you deliberately make mistakes in words?
            1. +6
              5 June 2021 14: 19
              Is it only in words?
              One gets the impression that today in schools, for the sake of patriotism, they do not consider it necessary to lead children through the labyrinths of punctuation. And why? If they can't master the spelling.
            2. -6
              5 June 2021 14: 28
              And you specifically went to this site to point out my mistakes, the fate of mediocrity is to look for mistakes if they themselves cannot think
              1. +8
                5 June 2021 14: 42
                If this is addressed to me, then I answer.
                Yes, I am a little jarred when a Russian patriot starts talking about the imminent collapse of the West and the greatness of Russia, mercilessly distorting the language of this very Russia.
                1. -7
                  5 June 2021 15: 17
                  This is not addressed to you, but I will answer, I have been on the site for a long time and I know this kitchen, if there is nothing to answer, then they start throwing on the fan and I know everyone, including you, and I apologize to all users of the site for mistakes, except you , educated people of the world without a homeland
            3. -1
              5 June 2021 22: 22
              Probably, this is still a consequence of a mess in my head.
          2. 0
            5 June 2021 14: 08
            Igor want to give you good advice, look at the realities of today and put what you heard in past years, and if you have a head on your shoulders and not a TV, you will understand that "2 trillion rubles" will go down the pipe much faster than 30 years ...
            1. -4
              5 June 2021 14: 23
              I am a child of the 90s, at this time my youth has passed, and I remember how it was then, this does not mean that everything is good now, but much better and there is a progressive trend, for me this is the main thing, 2 trillion was allocated until the age of 25, I am an optimist and I think benefit will be, in connection with the latest projects, the port of ust Luga and the northern stream, my city is growing and developing, why should I have a different opinion, I know not only my city there are other projects and achievements
              1. Alf
                +1
                5 June 2021 17: 59
                Quote: Warrior-80
                there are other projects and achievements

                There are many projects, but the results ..
                And tell about the achievements to the builders of the East ...
                1. -3
                  5 June 2021 18: 52
                  And what about the eastern one, people there received a lot of workers, stole a lot, but many sat down, and I say just pull the negative like an echo of Moscow, I'm not a fan of Putin, but listening to you I want to support him, because you are a destructive force
                  1. Alf
                    +1
                    5 June 2021 19: 06
                    Quote: Warrior-80
                    people there received a lot of workers

                    Yes, yes, but the strikes are still going on. If the real culprits of that lawlessness had sat down ...

                    How many times Putin has threatened to put things in order there, all interested persons have vowed to keep watch and not let go, but things are still there ...
                    Quote: Warrior-80
                    you are a destructive force

                    You have forgotten to add an agent of the State Department, a follower of the bulk well, and further down the list.
          3. Alf
            +2
            5 June 2021 17: 58
            Quote: Warrior-80
            to allocate 2 trillion rubles for electronic and high-tech products,

            Is this how they will learn?
            1. -6
              5 June 2021 19: 01
              I’m not saying that they don’t steal from us and we need to fight this, I’m really interested in who you are proposing, Navalny will suit you, I understand that the government is cleaning up the political field, like in any other country, but all the same, your opinion is interesting
              1. Alf
                +2
                5 June 2021 19: 11
                Quote: Warrior-80
                Navalny will suit you

                And I was still waiting for you to go to the training manual ...
                An immediate return to socialism is what I propose.
                Quote: Warrior-80
                we need to fight it

                Will the system fight itself? I've been watching this show for 20 years.

                Doesn't the phrase "Ours give up" say anything?
                Since the system does not change, the meaning of such a struggle is like a race over the horizon.
                1. -3
                  5 June 2021 19: 27
                  Yes, and I was waiting for you, again a common word, I gave you room for imagination, from an unknown leader with super heroic qualities, to bulk winked , and your training manual, as they say, does not allow, after all, I did it on purpose in order to bring it to clean water
                  1. Alf
                    +4
                    5 June 2021 19: 31
                    Quote: Warrior-80
                    Yes, and I was waiting for you, again a common word, I gave you room for imagination, from an unknown leader with super heroic qualities, to bulk winked , and your training manual, as they say, does not allow, after all, I did it on purpose in order to bring it to clean water

                    Never before has Stirlitz been so close to failure ..
                    Grudinin not? Platoshkin not? To hell with him, old fuck Zyuganov will go for the first time.
                    If the first two were not so dangerous to Putin, the regime would not have fought them like that.
                2. -3
                  5 June 2021 20: 05
                  Quote: Alf
                  An immediate return to socialism is what I propose.

                  AND? Was it once and how did it end?
                3. -1
                  5 June 2021 21: 22
                  An immediate return to socialism is what I propose.

                  Now, step by step, please, how to do it all? How can this be done in reality?
                  1. Alf
                    +2
                    5 June 2021 21: 28
                    Quote: Vasia
                    An immediate return to socialism is what I propose.

                    Now, step by step, please, how to do it all? How can this be done in reality?

                    To begin with, on September 19, ALL can tear off the 5th point from the sofa and walk to the election point. Then cast a ballot for the communists. If EVERYONE comes, then no matter how perverted the zaputintsy, the majority in the Duma will pass from the EP. And the popularly elected will not go anywhere, WILL sign the laws issued by the majority. This is called a peaceful coup.
                    1. -1
                      5 June 2021 21: 42
                      Quote: Alf
                      Then throw the communist ballot

                      Zyuganov?
                      1. Alf
                        0
                        5 June 2021 21: 43
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Quote: Alf
                        Then throw the communist ballot

                        Zyuganov?

                        You can for Grudinin.
                      2. -1
                        5 June 2021 21: 47
                        Quote: Alf
                        Grudinin

                        Capitalist?
                      3. Alf
                        0
                        5 June 2021 21: 54
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Quote: Alf
                        Grudinin

                        Capitalist?

                        To the owner. And these are completely different concepts. Until 55, there was also collective property in the USSR in the form of artels, now it is called AO and nothing, the system worked perfectly.
                      4. 0
                        6 June 2021 06: 48
                        Quote: Alf
                        To the owner. And these are completely different concepts.

                        You mean your son of a bitch?
                    2. -1
                      5 June 2021 21: 43
                      Then cast a ballot for the communists.

                      For which communists? Those that became the foundation of the very new thing that we have?

                      I am not NODovets, I am not a member of any parties, I am not "drowning" for anyone yet. But what did the author of the video say wrong?
                4. ANB
                  0
                  5 June 2021 22: 02
                  ... An immediate return to socialism is what I propose.

                  How to do it?????????
                  I think a large number of people agree with you.
                  But how???????
                  The power will not give up the capital.
                  In October 1917, Lenin managed to seize power in time.
                  But since then, crowd handling technology has advanced a lot.
    7. -11
      5 June 2021 14: 27
      Anglo-Saxons, evil, therefore, yes, they will not be and everyone will heal!
      1. -10
        5 June 2021 15: 37
        Then a pack flew in, probably Putin's photo had such an effect on them, they will minus mercilessly and point out mistakes, oh, the site has become a troll reserve, in the beginning the main advantages were, then, like on kamada fas, tobacco pounced on laughing
        1. Alf
          +1
          5 June 2021 18: 01
          Quote: Warrior-80
          at the beginning, the main advantages were, then, like on kamada fas, the tobacco pounced on

          Because there are fewer and fewer zaputinets in pink glasses, but the opposite is true.
          1. -1
            5 June 2021 18: 26
            Quote: Alf
            but those who have seen the opposite

            Judging by the static error that has recently been running, there are very few of those who have "seen the light".
          2. -1
            5 June 2021 18: 43
            Yes, no less, although I am not a fan of Putin, with my pluses and minuses, a milestone in our history, in comparison with humpback and bukharik, a good president, I think we need to be more confident how young he was, and I know you for counting, look at my website presence bars
          3. -2
            5 June 2021 19: 36
            It’s just interesting, let you be president, you put everyone in there, and who is wearing rose-colored glasses, there is an old saying that the suite makes a king and this applies to all states and to a greater extent to the United States
        2. +2
          5 June 2021 20: 43
          Does the crown press?
        3. -3
          5 June 2021 21: 27
          oh, the site became a troll reserve, in the beginning the main advantages were, then, like on kamada fas, tobacco pounced on

          Yes, colleague, here "very strange generals and marshals" rule the show) Vlasovshchina is solid. Yours faithfully hi
    8. +3
      5 June 2021 14: 57
      Quote: Engineer Shchukin
      As soon as they are gone, then we will heal.
      That is exactly how the US gross domestic product is growing steadily.In what other parallel universe live eaters of nightingale droppings, I certainly do not know, but I want to warn you that in the case of a nix, the greatest patriot of all time will shine through his Italian villa, but I wish all the singers to go to build the BAM only, since You can't get enough of all the good people of Italian villas So go on, cardboard generals, on the BAM you will be given a pick and a shovel in spite of these cardboard shoulder straps. The history of all times and centuries proves to an enlightened and inquisitive researcher that if the flywheel of state repression unwinds, then until thawed and cannot be turned back. To the funeral of America, I / as a Nobel Prize economist wassat / friendly advise ---- get rid of these green pieces of paper already !!!
      1. 0
        5 June 2021 16: 03
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        as a Nobel Prize economist

        Is it like the Nobel Peace Prize awarded to Obama?
        1. +4
          5 June 2021 16: 20
          Quote: Dart2027
          Is it like the Nobel Peace Prize awarded to Obama?
          Poh to the Arabs of all stripes, but we missed the great granary and the backbone of the economy under Vladimir Putin. The aircraft plant wanted, in cooperation with Ukraine, to produce ANy transport aircraft. Now, not even the plant, the ARZ is shutting down, but once it riveted them with squadrons. I have this plant nearby. During the war, it fed the front with Il-2 attack aircraft. You can ask how many of them were riveted, and then the planes of the Strategic Aviation riveted there. Admire, [media = [media = blob: https: //www.youtube. com / 7722d4cd-4ecb-42d1-8eb5-276d3576886d]]
          1. -3
            5 June 2021 16: 42
            Quote: Thunderbolt
            and we missed the great granary and the backbone of the economy under Vladimir Putin

            So it was Putin who came up with the policy of Ukrainization? I thought that the communists were headed by Lenin. And, by the way, Russia / RSFSR has always been the backbone.
      2. 0
        5 June 2021 21: 58
        cardboard generals,

        It's mainly your brothers here with big stars on digital epaulettes, oh, you yourself are like that. request
    9. 0
      5 June 2021 20: 32
      This special Olympiad is already 40-50 years old.

      The life of an empire - decades or centuries, then all empires disappear. I think the United States is no exception, therefore, the participants in the Olympiad are right - it has been proven by history.
    10. 0
      6 June 2021 21: 06
      And the GDP did not say that "then we will live" - ​​there is no need to invent something that was not said.
  2. +10
    5 June 2021 12: 22
    yes, we already know: they will die, and we are in paradise (we have almost built it)
    1. -9
      5 June 2021 13: 33
      If you answered me, refute at least one point of mine, and so all this is true and it goes to that, your quotes are not appropriate
  3. +7
    5 June 2021 12: 23
    The Soviet Union was sold by its own elite. And she sold it to America. And to whom will the American elite sell America? China or what ??
    1. +3
      5 June 2021 12: 49
      Quote: paul3390
      And to whom will the American elite sell America? China or what ??

      In a sense, US multinational companies have long been acting to the detriment of the interests of their own country, caring only about profits. So you are not far from the truth. Only trying to compare everything literally
  4. +15
    5 June 2021 12: 31
    Quote: KAV
    Any empire, as the centuries-old history shows, is not eternal. The time will come for the United States to disintegrate. Decline and degradation are already taking place in them by leaps and bounds.

    These are just general phrases.
    In reality, the United States as a specific state is already three hundred years old. Before their eyes, three states have already visited our territories.

    And before sitting there dreaming about their collapse, we must be sure that we ourselves will not fall apart again.
    1. KAV
      -5
      5 June 2021 12: 37
      Quote: Engineer Shchukin
      In reality, the United States as a specific state is already three hundred years old.
      And how old are they as a hegemon? Far from 300, and not even 100. And this is zilch by historical standards.
      Quote: Engineer Shchukin
      Before their eyes, three states have already visited our territories.
      Right. And two of them are great states. The third is just beginning to acquire greatness.
      Quote: Engineer Shchukin
      And before sitting there dreaming about their collapse, we must be sure that we ourselves will not fall apart again.
      Here you are absolutely right. We must not forget about ourselves - to develop, control, protect.
    2. -8
      5 June 2021 13: 36
      I think the United States will not fall apart, it will simply lose its influence on the European continent, switch to its neighbors, Latin America needs to prepare, although it is already almost in its pocket
    3. +7
      5 June 2021 14: 30
      "The USA as a concrete state is already three hundred years old."
      I would make an amendment.
      The United States as a specific state is only three hundred years old. Not much when compared with the thousand-year history of Rus-Russia.
      And which state has achieved more significant success in the entire history of its existence?
      By the way, I read the above comments. If Russia owes its far from leading position to the damned States, which only crap and impose sanctions against poor Russia, then what prevented the latter from successfully developing in those periods when there was no US in the project yet?
      Over seven centuries?
      1. -3
        5 June 2021 16: 05
        Quote: Cosm22
        what prevented the latter from successfully developing in those periods when there was no USA in the project yet

        Ask Mongols, Germans, Swedes, Poles, Turks, etc.
        1. +5
          5 June 2021 16: 54
          For some reason I thought so. There will always be someone to blame.
          Either Batu Khan, or Polovtsy with the Pechenegs ...
          Doesn't the analogy with an unlucky dancer always get in the way?
          1. -1
            5 June 2021 18: 28
            Quote: Cosm22
            For some reason I thought so. There will always be someone to blame.

            So you don’t want to ask them? Well then, compare the map of Russia by Dmitry Donskoy and the RI of Peter the Great.
    4. 0
      5 June 2021 15: 58
      "for three hundred years already" ???
  5. +1
    5 June 2021 12: 34
    But Russia itself is much closer to this ...
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          1. +7
            5 June 2021 14: 58
            Quote: lis-ik
            Not at all. In the EP is preparing to enter.

            One another is not a hindrance.
            1. +1
              5 June 2021 14: 59
              Quote: martin-159
              Quote: lis-ik
              Not at all. In the EP is preparing to enter.

              One another is not a hindrance.

              Well, yes, there everyone is like that, only they can dryly ... Coy to study.
    2. -8
      5 June 2021 13: 03
      Why would it be closer? They promised to release Alyoshka from prison?
    3. -11
      5 June 2021 13: 43
      Russia is no closer and there are now no factors destabilizing it from the inside, all this whipping from the outside about palaces and so on, our society is much more resistant to such things, no one in our country makes war zones from cities, smashing police stations and robbing trains
      1. +2
        5 June 2021 15: 52
        Quote: Warrior-80
        no one in our country makes war zones from cities, smashing police stations and robbing trains

        Likewise, there are no normal toilets in schools for our future either. And devastation begins with sorting
        1. -1
          5 June 2021 16: 27
          You don't have normal toilets, maybe we have all the rules in Russia, let's get a photo from the 90s of a rural school, I'm not happy with the authorities and I'm not going to vote for "eating Russia", but why lie, suspicions creep in
          1. +3
            5 June 2021 16: 34
            Quote: Warrior-80
            we have all the norms in Russia, let's get a photo from the 90s of a rural school

            Looks like they did not consider where and when the Domestos competition was held. It happens when a log is in the eye, but they do not see it. To deny the obvious and proven is stupidity. Although, you can also read Kipling at night - it helps laughing
            1. -1
              5 June 2021 16: 44
              Quote: Silvestr
              It happens when a log is in the eye, but they do not see it.

              Yes, especially those who judge by toilets. I've found the USSR and the toilets of that time were also different.
              1. +1
                5 June 2021 17: 09
                Quote: Dart2027
                I've found the USSR and the toilets of that time were also different.

                And the competitions for the most foreign companies announced? Then they wiped their ass with a newspaper instead of special paper. You see it to your liking, especially "Pravda" laughing
                And the ending is known
                1. 0
                  5 June 2021 18: 29
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  And the competitions for the most foreign companies announced?

                  Are you so worried about their opinion?
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  Then they wiped their ass with a newspaper instead of special paper. You see it to your liking, especially "Pravda"

                  That is, you admit that there was no conventional TB in the USSR?
                  1. +1
                    5 June 2021 18: 58
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    Are you so worried about their opinion?

                    So they announced the competition at US
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    That is, you admit that there was no conventional TB in the USSR?

                    There was TB, but not enough. But newspapers were everywhere
                    1. -2
                      5 June 2021 20: 07
                      Quote: Silvestr
                      So they announced the competition at US

                      That is, this competition is part of the information war.
                      Quote: Silvestr
                      There was TB, but not enough.

                      Everywhere now. And there are enough newspapers.
            2. -4
              5 June 2021 16: 54
              You can laugh as much as you like, my daughter recently graduated from school, came in, without frills, but everything works and is clean, it is clear that not as a restaurant, you, as from the echo of Moscow, will find fault with everything, I see you are an educated person, you will believe your experience or stories. Why does everyone see everything bad and do not see the good point-blank, I am not a fan of power, but this is lamentation and distortion of facts
              1. +3
                5 June 2021 17: 10
                Quote: Warrior-80
                my daughter recently graduated from school, came in, without frills, but everything works and is clean, it is clear that not as a restaurant, you will be like from the echo of Moscow to everything

                Can you read? Can you consider the general for the particular?
                1. -2
                  5 June 2021 17: 39
                  If you meant Bulgakov, then I understand, but this is the whole world now and in Russia, so to speak, the purest mind, but many cockroaches need to be poisoned
  6. +3
    5 June 2021 12: 35
    The Western elite wanted the collapse of the USSR, but does it want the collapse of the United States?
    1. +2
      5 June 2021 12: 48
      Judging by what is happening - part of it is possible and wants. For the citizens of the citadel of democracy are somehow used to eating too much. And for free. Capitalism, on the other hand, cannot like it. Why bourgeois so many parasites, consuming as if not in themselves the benefits of life, which the bourgeois - could well put in his pocket?
  7. +2
    5 June 2021 12: 36
    We will buy these, we will scare these, we will come to an agreement with these, we will give beads with this, we will threaten them with warships. And it will solve the problems (...)
    It is also necessary to add - by this we will organize a color revolution, we will bomb these. Old, proven, well-proven templates are not handed over to the warehouse, but continue to be used. So the United States, with obstinacy, continues to bend its line in the international arena in precisely proven practice ways. But sooner or later the patterns are erased, become unusable, and there is nothing to replace. In addition to this, internal problems that grow like a snowball, and this is how empires collapse.
    1. +3
      5 June 2021 13: 03
      You are my plus. Yes exactly. With perseverance to bend the line that there are only enemies around, although people travel around the countries, and somehow they are treated quite friendly and do not want to kill, although they say on TV, they all want to destroy the Russians .. "But sooner or later the patterns are erased, and There is nothing to replace. In addition to this, internal problems that are growing like a snowball. That's how empires collapse. " recourse Alas, you are right.
      1. -7
        5 June 2021 13: 31
        Quote: Free Wind
        although people travel to countries, and somehow they are treated quite friendly and do not want to kill

        A song from the 90s.
        1. +2
          5 June 2021 13: 43
          Russians want to destroy mmm, like the Russians. But Allah gives them everything. Well, don't forget the Chinese.
          1. -6
            5 June 2021 15: 58
            Quote: Free Wind
            Russians want to destroy mmm, like the Russians.

            That is, there is nothing to argue about fairy tales from the 90s? And about the fraternal peoples - this is for you to the USSR.
        2. 0
          5 June 2021 13: 45
          And in the 90s, pop music was cool !!! Not like the "purulent" rapper.
  8. +6
    5 June 2021 12: 37
    Too many countries (European in the first place) are interested in the US dominance in the world, in contrast to the USSR. So they will die for a long time, for decades.
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    1. +5
      5 June 2021 12: 49
      Aliens kidnapped chtol? recourse
    2. Alf
      0
      5 June 2021 18: 06
      Quote: Kolorado76
      KKKKKKLKLUKKLALAOAOOPALALALALASHEAOUTTVTVTVO

      Is today an open day in Durka?
  10. +1
    5 June 2021 12: 38
    That's really, really. And the point of departure is Afghanistan. We were throwing party cards. In the USA, a black man kisses boots.
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      1. +2
        5 June 2021 13: 42
        +++++++++ !!!!!!!! laughing laughing laughing
      2. +2
        5 June 2021 13: 45
        It's a pity that only one * plus * can be put! Commentary-brilliance! Laughed heartily! Bravo to you, Sergei!
  12. +5
    5 June 2021 12: 50
    You can predict the collapse or collapse if you have knowledge about the economy of the state in question. War cannot destroy one taken large state. War will destroy everyone. Everyone has their own guarded secrets. After all, no one will be allowed to investigate the golden US stocks.
  13. +5
    5 June 2021 13: 11
    "Russian President Vladimir Putin prophesied USA the fate of the Soviet Union. He stated this at a meeting with the heads of world news agencies at the SPIEF. "
    Rzhunimagu. These are the editors. Bravo. The top of eloquence and literacy. Read in the style:
    I, the President of the Russian Federation, declare responsibly that I prophesied the fate of the USSR to the United States. Take this into account and I ask you to convey this information to your readers))))))
    1. +2
      5 June 2021 14: 41
      Quote: Puppeteer 111
      "Russian President Vladimir Putin prophesied the fate of the Soviet Union to the United States. He stated this at a meeting with the heads of world news agencies within the framework of the SPIEF."

      Kipling is to blame! laughing
  14. 0
    5 June 2021 13: 35
    That you sho !? Does he need it? He prophesied eternity to himself and to his sidekick.
  15. +3
    5 June 2021 13: 50
    The benefactor of the Russian enemies of the communists, Putin, again "disaccustomed" not on business. In reality, both the Russian Empire and the USSR were destroyed as a result of betrayal by people in the highest echelons of power. Nicholas II was betrayed by his entourage, and the USSR was betrayed by another benefactor of the enemies of the communists, Gorbachev. The United States is not in danger, but the Russian Federation is completely. Putin has surrounded himself with pro-Western "liberals" -Rusophobes who can easily betray him.
    1. +3
      5 June 2021 14: 16
      The USSR was betrayed even with bald Khrushchev. It all started with the rejection of the Stalinist Constitution.
      1. +3
        5 June 2021 20: 27
        It began with the abolition of the dictatorship of the proletariat. As the foundation on which the USSR stood. The rest is consequences ..
  16. 0
    5 June 2021 13: 56
    And if we also put a hand in this, oh, and there will be a roar, for the whole world. negative
  17. +1
    5 June 2021 14: 00
    If it were not for the internal enemies and traitors to whom the current president belongs, the USSR would have lived and prospered. Resources did not give rest, it was necessary to seize everything for this abomination!
  18. +16
    5 June 2021 14: 12
    The end of the United States will surely come. Only I will not see it, tk. I will die of hunger because of the beggarly pension that was stolen from the FIU. And the GDP will not see this because the grandfather is already old.
  19. +5
    5 June 2021 14: 29
    (...) it seems to them that they are so powerful that they can afford small errors and mistakes. We will buy these, we will scare these, we will come to an agreement with these, we will give beads with this, we will threaten them with warships. And this will solve the problems (...) The United States with a confident gait, a confident gait, a firm step is right on the path of the Soviet Union

    - said the Russian president, adding that overconfidence in one's omnipotence is a typical problem of empires.

    There is one nuance - the United States made a lot of efforts to collapse the USSR, what is Yeltsin's "report" after the signing of the "Belovezhskaya Agreements" to the fearful Bush (or am I mistaken?).
    Is Russia Efforts to Collapse the United States? Or I'm wrong?
    As for the Roman Empire, it existed for almost a thousand years ...

    PS With regard to the hopes for the collapse of the United States, and that then we will "panic" - reminds "brothers-Ukrainians", we must first of all work on the economy of our country, develop industry, agriculture, financial sector, science, education, resolve the issue with oligarchs (lead to an extensive path of development).
    1. Alf
      +3
      5 June 2021 18: 13
      Quote: Lynx2000
      The USA made a lot of efforts to collapse the USSR, what is Yeltsin's "report" worth after the signing of the "Belovezhskaya Agreements" to the fearful Bush (or am I mistaken?).

      And Putin?
      1. -4
        5 June 2021 18: 30
        Quote: Alf
        And Putin?

        Those who adored Yeltsin hate Putin.
        1. Alf
          +2
          5 June 2021 18: 32
          Quote: Dart2027
          Quote: Alf
          And Putin?

          Those who adored Yeltsin hate Putin.

          Why would it suddenly?
          1. -4
            5 June 2021 20: 07
            Quote: Alf
            Why would it suddenly?

            So tell me why?
            1. Alf
              +2
              5 June 2021 20: 14
              Quote: Dart2027
              Quote: Alf
              Why would it suddenly?

              So tell me why?

              That you justify your statement about adoration and hatred. If there is something ...
              1. -5
                5 June 2021 21: 44
                Quote: Alf
                That you justify your statement about adoration and hatred.

                That is, you are not aware of at least recent riots organized according to the classical methodology of color revolutions?
                1. Alf
                  +1
                  5 June 2021 21: 49
                  Those who adored Yeltsin hate Putin.

                  Your words ? What does the color revolution have to do with it? If you have nothing to say, it is better to remain silent. Do not cast your shadow over the fence.
                  1. -4
                    6 June 2021 06: 49
                    Quote: Alf
                    Your words ? What does the color revolution have to do with it?

                    That is, the fact that they are trying to remove Putin from power is unknown to you?
                    Quote: Alf
                    If you have nothing to say, it is better to remain silent.

                    To you, no doubt.
  20. +2
    5 June 2021 14: 32
    Quote: KAV
    Any empire, as the centuries-old history shows, is not eternal. The time will come for the United States to disintegrate. Decline and degradation are already taking place in them by leaps and bounds.

    There is a saying - "While the fat one dries, the thin one dies." Guess - x-y from who .... lol
  21. -8
    5 June 2021 14: 39
    2007 node debt 8,9 trillion, greenery. 2021 more than 28 trillion greenery. 1990 fishing boat "with vertical takeoff and landing" 20 million. Now 80-100 million greenery. Who can tell me how much the US produces, what you can touch. Prostitutes and casinos, marie juanna (all taxes are paid) not to offer. While writing for a hundred thousand, probably the debt increased. Therefore, they may have such nervousness with everyone. Rome was also unshakable, but because of debauchery and died. LGBT and BLM, with drug addicts help them.
  22. +3
    5 June 2021 14: 50
    Quote: KAV
    Quote: paul3390
    They spoiled the Soviet Union even more
    Well, for example, how did they spoil the USSR more?

    More or less is a rhetorical, relative question. For example, some of the sanctions were automatically transferred to the Russian Federation by inheritance, as the successor to the USSR. The same Jackson-Vanik law. Although some things the United States was afraid to do in relation to the USSR - for example, the kidnapping of citizens around the world, and if there were isolated cases - we reacted adequately. Well, and much more. Here, some comrades correctly noted that they will have to lay out the history of relations between the USSR and the United States, and this is a matter of volume, at least of an article. I can honestly say it - it's lazy, over the years of service, various documents have been prepared enough to develop a stable allergy to writing long, voluminous texts. bully I already once answered one user when he was asked to write something like that. winked
    PS And the fact that the guarantor once again demonstrated his hatred of the USSR, well what can you say, is a pathology, for this alone the Americans should love him as their presidents! lol
  23. -1
    5 June 2021 14: 54
    Cassandra is his name laughing
  24. -6
    5 June 2021 14: 55
    USA BEFORE THE ECONOMIC COLLAPSE, THE INFLATION LEVEL EXCEEDS 20% ANYWHERE WHAT THEY WRITE ON STATISTICAL YEARS !!! FOR THIS IMF WILL MAKE THE WORLD WEIGHT UP TO INCREASE THE GREEN RATE !!! SO DUMP $ INFLATION !!!
    $ BIG BUBBLE NOW AND MAY BREAK AT ANY MOMENT !!!
    So cautiously, but get rid of some American government securities in their gold and foreign exchange reserves, it is NECESSARY AND ALWAYS!
  25. +4
    5 June 2021 15: 25
    Russian President prophesied the fate of the Soviet Union to the United States

    He prophesied the level of Portugal for the Russian economy ... Kasander ...
  26. 0
    5 June 2021 15: 33
    Quote: paul3390
    Judging by what is happening - part of it is possible and wants.

    The States, above all, are also an umbrella for the world's elites. You can break up the states, but who will play the role of a power umbrella?
  27. -1
    5 June 2021 17: 53
    Our great ... it would be better to think about his country and why a huge number of people are struggling to have enough for a minimum food set ...
  28. 0
    5 June 2021 18: 27
    Well, economic problems have been predicted there for a long time, including the dollar. They have been waiting for 100 years. And as for the collapse of the country, there are no national regions. There is only one American nation. And the states have been given great opportunities. We have all the money and power in Moscow, they have only narrow powers for the feds. Now, of course, Washington is trying to increase its influence, but the COURTS of the states can put the feds in their place.
  29. -1
    5 June 2021 18: 46
    Ha-ha, straight grandpa Wang ...
  30. -1
    5 June 2021 21: 11
    Good people live everywhere and in the USA too, but nobody canceled the boomerang rule. Therefore, it will still be fair if the states fall apart.
  31. -1
    5 June 2021 21: 41
    While the fat one dries, the thin one dies! Folk wisdom ...
  32. 0
    6 June 2021 02: 46
    Quote: markant1970
    Cassandra is his name laughing

    Emperor Pu Yi? lol
  33. 0
    6 June 2021 02: 51
    Quote: Adimius38
    Our great ... it would be better to think about his country and why a huge number of people are struggling to have enough for a minimum food set ...

    You can see what they think on another resource here. By the way, for some time now "VO" has ceased to publish links to it - isn't it talking about anything? sad
    https://publizist.ru/blogs/111926/39849/-
  34. -1
    6 June 2021 03: 00
    Quote: Anyuta Slavnaya
    Kind people belay , good people live everywhere and in the USA too, but nobody canceled the boomerang rule. Therefore, it will still be fair if the states fall apart.

    In the sense - everything in Tartar..ary? In what way, naturally, we offer the lady the first to designate this event, or maybe she has the opportunity to lead it? I do not even dare to ask your name, because your hands are shaking, apparently you, of course, together with .... are the owner of the "nuclear suitcase"? belay belay
  35. 0
    6 June 2021 03: 13
    Quote: KAV
    Quote: Zorro21
    Americans have long been publicly proclaiming their exclusivity and no one pays attention to it.
    Why no one? Our Foreign Ministry, and the GDP, have repeatedly drawn the attention of the world community to the inadmissibility of such an approach. Only now, the world community, with the exception of a few countries, has thrust its tongues into the anatomical hole and keep mum in a rag ...

    The world community is that "woman" whom the one who treats her to her is the one who "dances" - did I say something extraordinary for you? lol bully
    PS Therefore, you can sympathize with your Foreign Ministry and this GDP. lol
  36. 0
    6 June 2021 10: 26
    It should be noted that there will be nothing good for the world community from a possible "disintegration" of the United States, just as nothing good has become from the collapse of the USSR. Global instability will increase, and the likelihood of all kinds of conflicts will increase.
    In general, it is time for world-class politicians to tackle the pressing problems of the further existence of mankind, including: a) a socio-economic model suitable for the further development of countries and their communities, in the context of the ongoing and intensifying process of excluding a person not only from the sphere of mass production of goods and services, but practically from all spheres of activity (with rare exceptions); b) saving the planet from destruction due to environmental pollution and the growth of non-utilized industrial and household waste; c) problems of human interaction with artificial intelligence, and prevention of potential threats of AI going out of control; d) problems of human genetic improvement and overcoming possible undesirable consequences of this process; e) problems of protecting the globe from asteroids and other cosmic factors; f) problems of the expansion of mankind outside the globe and interaction with extraterrestrial intelligence.
    It is necessary to create a World Council under the auspices of the UN of the largest scientists from different countries to plan and organize work on the listed and other problems of the existence and development of mankind.
  37. -1
    6 June 2021 13: 42
    Quote: Alf
    And how are you getting ahead of yourself?

    Yes, please! Crimea, Syria, a coup in Turkey. Now Erdogan is in eternal debt while in power. And as Kedmi said, all actions of modern Russia are thought out for the future, and actions for opponents will always be unexpected.
  38. -1
    6 June 2021 20: 26
    The Roman Empire collapsed when power passed from the military to the merchants
  39. 0
    7 June 2021 09: 37
    eC [b] [/ b] kC
  40. 0
    7 June 2021 10: 17
    The terry anti-Soviet VVP "frightened" America with the example of the collapse of the USSR. For external submission to an American address, this may be fine. For domestic consumption, it looks disgustingly mocking. He compared the State of workers and peasants with the Kaganate of world usurers. Only especially cynical, arrogant and unprincipled "specialists" could prepare such a "pearl" in speech. However, pop is inseparable from the parish. It is deeply violet to me what the Americans will perceive there from this passage. The main thing is that the guarantor has once again spat into the soul of the Russian man.

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