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Japanese fighter-interceptors during the Cold War

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Japanese fighter-interceptors during the Cold War

Simultaneously with the formation of the Japanese Self-Defense Forces, the reconstruction of aviation component - Japan Air Self-Defense Force. In March 1954, the US-Japanese agreement on "military assistance" was signed, and in January 1960, the parties signed "an agreement on mutual cooperation and security guarantees." In accordance with these agreements, the Air Self-Defense Forces began to receive American-made aircraft.


Fighter F-86F Saber


The first Japanese air wing was organized on October 1, 1956, which included 68 T-33A Shooting Star two-seat jet trainers and 20 F-86F Sabers. In January 1957, there were 135 F-86F jet fighters in Japan.

A fighter with a maximum takeoff weight of 8234 kg had a practical flight range of 2450 km. With the suspension of two 454 kg bombs and two tanks with a capacity of 760 liters, the combat radius of action reached 660 km. The maximum speed in level flight is 1106 km / h. Built-in armament - six 12,7 mm machine guns.


Japanese fighter F-86F Saber

The Japanese government attached great importance to the development of its own aviation industry, in connection with which a license was acquired from North American to manufacture the Saber.


Although this fighter was already partly outdated by the time serial construction began, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries assembled another 1956 F-1961F fighters from 300 to 86.


In the early 1960s, Japanese F-86F fighters were equipped with AIM-9 Sidewinder thermal homing missiles, which significantly increased the ability to combat air targets. However, as an interceptor, the Saber by the early 1970s could no longer be considered modern. The fighter, which did not have an on-board radar, was able to independently search for an air target only during daylight hours, and the subsonic flight speed often did not allow it to take an advantageous position for an attack and catch up with an air enemy. In this regard, after the adoption of the F-4ЕJ Phantom II interceptor, in the mid-1970s, the F-86F Saber fighters were mainly reoriented to solving shock missions and used for training flights. The Sabers served with the Air Defense Force until 1982.

Fighter-interceptor F-104J


Realizing that the existing Saber fighters by the beginning of the 1960s no longer met modern requirements, the command of the Self-Defense Forces began to look for a replacement for them. In those years, the concept became widespread, according to which air combat in the future would be reduced to supersonic interception of attack aircraft and missile duels between fighters.

These ideas were fully consistent with the Lockheed F-1950 Starfighter supersonic fighter developed by Lockheed in the late 104s. During the design of this aircraft, high speed characteristics were put at the forefront.

In the early 1960s, despite the high accident rate, the Starfighter became one of the main fighters of the Air Force in many countries, produced in various modifications, including in Japan.

In November 1960, the Japanese government announced that the F-104 would be assigned the primary air superiority and interception missions. Shortly thereafter, a Japanese consortium led by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries received permission to license Starfighter in Japan. The first few Japanese F-104s were assembled from parts supplied directly from the United States, and later full-scale production of fighters began on their own. The Japanese Starfighter received the designation F-104J (J - Japan).


Japanese fighter-interceptor F-104J

On March 8, 1962, the first Japanese-assembled Starfighter was rolled out of the gates of the Mitsubishi plant in the city of Komaki. From 1963 to 1966, 7 combat squadrons were formed (from 201 to 207). In total, by 1967, the Air Self-Defense Forces had received 230 single and double Starfighters.

By design, this modification was almost a complete copy of the West German F-104G, except that the Japanese fighter was intended exclusively for intercepting air targets, and all weapons control equipment for attacking ground targets was dismantled. This is due to the fact that at that time the Japanese government, in accordance with the constitution, refused to have aircraft that were capable of striking ground targets.


The F-104J fighter had very impressive acceleration characteristics and was very well suited for the role of an interceptor. The maximum take-off weight of the aircraft reached 13 kg, while the total capacity of the fuel tanks was 170 liters. The maximum speed at the ground is 2650 km / h, at high altitude - 1473 km / h. Service ceiling - 2123 m. Service range - 18 km. To combat aerial targets, the built-in 300-mm six-barreled M1740A20 cannon and the AIM-61 Sidewinder melee guided missiles could be used.


In comparison with the Saber, the supersonic Starfighter had a very advanced avionics. The LN3-2 inertial navigation system, developed by Litton Industries, made it possible to fly in adverse weather conditions day and night. The aircraft was equipped with equipment coupled with the Japanese air defense system BADGE, providing guidance to the interceptor in a semi-automatic mode. The Autonetics NASARR F15A radar could detect a target at a distance of up to 30 km, which was very good for the early 1960s. However, to bombard the target with the AIM-9B Sidewinder air-to-air missiles, which were armed with the Japanese Starfighters, it was necessary to establish stable visual contact with the aim. The effective launch range of the UR when attacking a bomber flying at a speed of 900 km / h from the rear hemisphere did not exceed 3 km. In preparation for the use of AIM-9B missiles, the interceptor pilot had to be very careful, since there was a high probability that the thermal homing head would capture the sun or brightly lit clouds.

The Japanese used their F-104Js only as interceptors, so the Starfighter in Japan had a relatively low accident rate. For more than 20 years of active service, approximately 15% of all existing Starfighters have been lost in flight accidents. For the sake of fairness, it must be said that the peers of the F-104J - the Soviet fighters MiG-21F-13, Su-7B and Su-9 had a greater percentage of losses in accidents and disasters. Many Japanese pilots who had previously piloted the F-104J and subsequently transferred to the heavier F-4EJ believed that the Starfighter was significantly superior to the Phantom in terms of climb and acceleration characteristics.


Satellite image of Google Earth: Japanese fighters in the eternal parking lot of the Hyakuri airbase

Currently, several surviving Japanese F-104Js, along with other aircraft of the Air Self-Defense Forces, are installed in permanent parking areas in the vicinity of Japanese air bases.


F-104J fighter on display at Ishikawa Aviation Plaza in Komatsu

These very impressive externally fighters also look great in museum collections and invariably attract the attention of the public.

Fighter-interceptor F-4ЕJ Phantom II


In the second half of the 1960s, the Starfighter began to be regarded as an obsolete machine. The leadership of the Air Self-Defense Forces wanted an interceptor with a more powerful airborne radar station, capable of aiming at a target using signals from the ground without the participation of the crew and using missile weapons at unobservable targets. In this regard, in January 1969, the Japanese cabinet of ministers raised the issue of equipping the country's air force with a new fighter-interceptor, which was supposed to replace the F-104J.

The most suitable candidate was the American third-generation multirole fighter McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II. But the Japanese, when ordering the F-4EJ variant, set a condition for it to be a "clean" interceptor fighter. The Americans did not mind, and the equipment for work on ground targets was removed from the Japanese Phantom, but the air-to-air armament was reinforced. All this was done in accordance with the Japanese concept of "only in the interests of defense."

The flight data of the Japanese interceptor practically did not differ from the characteristics of the US Air Force F-4E fighter. The maximum takeoff weight of the F-4EJ was 26 kg. The maximum flight speed at high altitude is 308 km / h. Practical range - 2390 km. Service ceiling - 2590 16 km. The fighter was equipped with an AN / APQ-600 radar with a range of 120 km. In addition to the pilot, the crew included an armament operator. The main weapons interceptors were considered the UR AIM-7 Sparrow and AIM-9 Sidewinder. In close combat, the 20-mm built-in M61A1 cannon could be used.


Japanese fighter-interceptor with F-4EJ Phantom II

The F-4EJ was the first Air Defense Forces fighter to be armed with medium-range air-to-air missiles. Its armament, in addition to 4 AIM-9 Sidewinder melee missiles, could include 4 AIM-7 Sparrow medium-range missiles with a semi-active radar seeker. Initially, the Japanese "Phantoms" were armed with medium-range missiles of the AIM-7E modification with a head-on launch range of up to 35 km. Such missiles had a rod warhead weighing 30 kg with a proximity fuse. In the late 1970s, the Japanese received the AIM-7F missile launcher with a launch range of up to 70 km, with a warhead weighing 39 kg.

F-4EJ, built by McDonnell, took off in January 1971. The next 11 aircraft were delivered as kits and assembled in Japan. The first licensed Japanese-built aircraft took off for the first time on May 12, 1972. Subsequently, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries built 127 F-4FJs under license. The Japanese installed various equipment of their own production, including the J / APR-2 rear-view radar, as well as the data transmission equipment of the Japanese automated air defense system BADGE.

A "softening" of Tokyo's approaches to offensive weapons, including in the Air Force, began to be observed in the second half of the 1970s. This happened under pressure from the United States after the adoption in 1978 of the so-called "Guiding Principles for Japanese-American Defense Cooperation." Prior to this, no joint actions, even exercises of the self-defense forces and American units on the territory of Japan were conducted. Since then, much, including in the performance characteristics of aviation technology, in the Japanese Self-Defense Forces has changed in the expectation of joint offensive actions.


For example, air refueling equipment began to be installed on the still produced F-4EJ fighters. The last Phantom for the Japanese Air Force was built in 1981. But already in 1984, a program was adopted to extend their service life. At the same time, "Phantoms" began to be equipped with bombing means.


Japanese fighter F-4EJ Kai Phantom II

Most of the "Phantoms", which had a large residual resource, were upgraded to the level of F-4EJ Kai during major overhauls. On the modernized fighters, the avionics were improved, new means of communication and information display were installed. Since the second half of the 1980s, Japanese fighters have been flying with the UR AIM-7M. This rocket with a launch weight of 231 kg is equipped with a monopulse radar seeker, which has increased the missile's capabilities to defeat low-flying targets and noise immunity. In the early 1990s, a Japanese-made AAM-3 melee missile was added to the armament.


On November 20, 2020, the Japanese Air Self-Defense Forces, after 48 years of service, officially parted ways with the F-4EJ fighter. During the farewell ceremony, two Phantoms of the 301st Squadron made their last flight over the Hyakuri airbase.


Satellite image of Google Earth: Japanese F-4EJ fighters at Hyakuri airbase, the image was taken in 2018

It is noteworthy that before becoming the last squadron to fly an F-4, the 301st was the first squadron to receive an F-4EJ in 1972.

Fighter F-15J


In July 1975, the Japanese Defense Agency announced a competition for a promising air defense interceptor. From several possible candidates, which included the Grumman F-14, General Dynamics F-16, Northrop F-17, Dassault Mirage F1, SAAB J37 and Panavia Tornado IDS, the American F-15 Eagle heavy fighter was chosen. In 1978, an agreement was reached on obtaining a license, and Mitsubishi Heavy Industries was determined as the main manufacturer in Japan.


Japanese fighter F-15J

Structurally and in terms of its characteristics, the Japanese F-15J is similar to the F-15C, but equipped with simplified electronic warfare equipment. The F-15J fighter has a maximum takeoff weight of 30 kg. The practical flight range without outboard tanks is 845 km. Service ceiling - 2800 m


UR melee AAM-3 under the wing of the F-15J

Initially, the armament consisted of an integrated 20mm Vulcan JM61A1 cannon, as well as AIM-9L Sidewinder and AIM-7F / M Sparrow aerial combat missiles. In 1990, the Japanese AAM-3 melee missile missile system was added to the ammunition load of the Japanese "Eagles".


This missile is the fruit of the collective creativity of Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (engine, control system and hull), NEC (seeker and proximity fuse), Komatsu Ltd (guided blast fragmentation warhead), and, according to a spokesman for the Air Self-Defense Forces, for maneuverability and the probability of hitting the target is superior to the American AIM-9L Sidewinder. The mass of the rocket in the firing position is 91 kg. The maximum launch range is 13 km. Maximum speed - 2,5 M.

The Japanese Self-Defense Forces purchased 203 single-seat F-15Js and 20 two-seat F-15DJs, of which 2 F-15Js and 12 F-15DJs were supplied by McDonnell Douglas. An F-15J built in St. Louis, Missouri took off on June 4, 1980. In addition, 8 F-15Js were manufactured as vehicle kits and sent to Japan for final assembly. The lead aircraft from this batch made its first flight on August 26, 1981. At the end of 1981, Mitsubishi mastered the final assembly of the aircraft. In total, from 1982 to 1999, 223 aircraft were manufactured in Japan with a two-seater modification. Thus, the Air Defense Forces has the second largest fleet of fighters of the F-15 family after the US Air Force, and Japan accounts for more than 50% of this type of fighters operated outside the United States.


Double F-15DJ 306 Squadron

In December 1981, the first F-15J / DJs entered the 202nd Tactical Fighter Squadron based at Nyutabaru. Subsequently, a training center was opened here, in which Japanese pilots underwent retraining. Apparently, the process of mastering the new fighter was not easy. Full combat readiness was announced in March 1984, when the F-15J replaced the F-104J in the 203rd Tactical Fighter Squadron at Chitose Air Force Base in Hokkaido.


F-15J fighters at Chitose airbase

The choice of the base location for the first combat squadron, equipped with the most modern fighters at that time, was no coincidence: the Chitose airbase was the closest airbase with a capital runway in relation to Sakhalin Island and the Primorsky Territory. F-15J / DJ fighters were primarily used to rearmament squadrons equipped with Starfighters.

In 1986, it was the turn of the squadrons flying the Phantoms on March 19, 1986 - the 15rd squadron based on Komatsu, whose pilots had previously flown the F-303EJ, transferred to the F-4J / DJ. At first, the accident rate of the F-15J / DJ was quite high, during the first 10 years of operation, 5 aircraft were lost, and in total 12 Japanese Eagles crashed in accidents and disasters.

I must say that after the commissioning of the Japanese F-15Js, the balance of power in the Far East changed noticeably not in favor of the USSR. In the mid-1980s, the basis of Soviet fighter aviation in this area was made up of the MiG-21bis, MiG-23P / ML, MiG-25PD / PDS and Su-15TM. All these Soviet fighters were inferior to the "Eagle" in maneuverability, avionics characteristics and had no superiority in armament. The situation began to improve after the start of deliveries of the Su-27P heavy fighter to the combatant regiments. The first aircraft of this type in 1986 received the 60th IAP, based at the Dzemgi airfield in Komsomolsk-on-Amur.

Subsequently, Japan upgraded its F-15J / DJ fighters with new air-to-air missiles and advanced electronic systems. But this will be discussed in the part devoted to the current state of Japanese fighter aircraft.

In the next part of the Japanese air defense review, we will look at the anti-aircraft missile systems that were in service with the Japan Self-Defense Forces during the Cold War.

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  1. Pavel57
    Pavel57 8 June 2021 18: 11
    -1
    R. In the mid-1980s, the basis of Soviet fighter aviation in this area was made up of the MiG-21bis, MiG-23P / ML, MiG-25PD / PDS and Su-15TM. All these Soviet fighters were inferior to the "Eagle" in maneuverability, avionics characteristics and had no superiority in armament. The situation began to improve after the start of deliveries of the Su-27P heavy fighter to the combatant regiments.

    Not quite so - the MiG-23 ML / P / MLD could withstand the F-15. And in some elements even surpassed the American Japanese.
    1. Bongo
      8 June 2021 23: 44
      +7
      Quote: Pavel57
      Not quite so - the MiG-23 ML / P / MLD could withstand the F-15.
      The MiG-23 ML / P / MLD was very difficult to resist the F-15C / D, and the F-15J / DJ differed from them only in simplified jamming equipment.
      Quote: Pavel57
      And in some elements even surpassed the American Japanese.

      What exactly was the MiG-23MLD superior to the F-15J?
      1. Anzhey V.
        Anzhey V. 10 June 2021 11: 42
        +3
        Hello Sergey! Thanks a lot for another great article)
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 8 June 2021 18: 31
    +11
    I never tire of thanking the author for the most interesting cycles about air defense. Continue, Sergei. We wait.
  3. hohol95
    hohol95 8 June 2021 18: 36
    +4
    Were there any cases when the above-mentioned air defense aircraft were used against violators of Japanese airspace?
    1. akarfoxhound
      akarfoxhound 8 June 2021 23: 42
      +1
      Of course not, the MiG-21s were in Chernigovka opposite China in the IBAP version (Normandy-Niemen), the rest was in our air defense - Vladivostok Center Uglovaya (MiG-23), Chuguevka (MiG-25), Nakhodka Zolotaya Dolina (Su- 15), Sakhalin Sokol (Su-15), Spask Dalny Khvalynka (Yak-28P), Kuril Petrel (MiG-23). For the rest, the flight area clearly did not reach Japan - near Khabarovsk (10th section of the MiG-23, Pereyaslovka Su-15), Komsomolskaya Pravda (2 regiments in Dzemgi Su-15 and MiG-23), Postovaya MiG-23 (Sov. The harbor, covered Khurba), northern Sakhalin MiG-23 (Smirnykh, Yak-70 in the 28s), Kamchatka Su-15 (Elizovo). About the Chukotka Coal Mines on the Su-15, you can not mention - more than 3 thousand km to the "Panasonic"
      1. Bongo
        8 June 2021 23: 58
        +3
        Quote: akarfoxhound
        Coms.na Amur (2 regiments in Dzemgi Su-15 and MiG-23)

        In the 60th IAP MiG-23 was not.
        Quote: akarfoxhound
        Guards MiG-23 (Soviet Harbor, covered Khurba)
        Where is Sovgan and where is Khurba? request
        Quote: akarfoxhound
        Spask Dalniy Khvalynka (Yak-28P)

        When did the Yak-28P leave Khvalynka? What you describe in the mid-1980s is not true. No.
        1. akarfoxhound
          akarfoxhound 9 June 2021 13: 14
          -3
          Quote: Bongo
          Quote: akarfoxhound
          Coms.na Amur (2 regiments in Dzemgi Su-15 and MiG-23)

          In the 60th IAP MiG-23 was not.

          I didn’t say that they were in 60 iap, in Dzemgi they drove the MiG-23 from the neighboring regiments being disbanded and carried out overflights of materiel from conservation. Then they dispersed 404 IAP (Orlovka) and the regiment, even if not for a long time, flew the MiG-29 and Su-27 at the same time (I saw photographs and models in the museum of the history of the unit personally, and not from someone's stories and "Wikipedia")

          Quote: Bongo
          Where is Sovgan and where is Khurba?

          If you are so knowledgeable, it would be clear that the person was not mistaken, but confused the names and would correct that the cover of Kamenny Brook (Tu-142, Tu-22M3 MA Navy). But here it seems like another task to play offensively "I wrote an amazing article, but they dared to supplement / correct me"? Or were you like were not aware that the 41st IAP covered? wink Of course I know where Khurba is! A week there "Boniface's vacation" at the training camp in 2012 spent in the division, we obeyed them, getting from Kamchatka smile

          Quote: Bongo
          When did the Yak-28P leave Khvalynka? What you describe in the mid-1980s is not true.

          In my opinion, you covered a great period, not only the mid-80s with the Japanese F-15s, no? A 821 IAP on the Yak-28P was until 1981, then the MiG-23ML / MLD until 1994. You were not embarrassed by the Pereyaslovsky 302 IAP on the Su-15, which by 1983 had switched from the air defense to the Air Force and adopted the Su-17 (which the Afghan subsequently ironed) became the IBAP (while based at the same airfield, it changed into the Su-24, became 302 BAP and the effective manager of MO Tolyan sent him to you perfectly familiar Khurba)

          Well, how, mutually interrogated? wink
          1. Bongo
            9 June 2021 15: 32
            +6
            Quote: akarfoxhound
            Well, how, mutually interrogated?
            You can still ponder .. wink
            Quote: akarfoxhound
            in Dzemgi, they drove the MiG-23 from neighboring regiments being disbanded and carried out overflights of materiel from conservation.

            This was not the case, you are confusing with Khurba.No. At one time MiG-31s ​​were based on Dziomga, I no longer remember whose.
            Quote: akarfoxhound
            But here it seems like another task is to play offensive

            Are you judging by yourself? request
            Quote: akarfoxhound
            In my opinion, you covered a great period, not only the mid-80s with the Japanese F-15s, no?

            The publication on this matter clearly states:
            I must say that after the commissioning of the Japanese F-15Js, the balance of power in the Far East changed noticeably not in favor of the USSR. In the middle 1980-x
            - the time period is indicated.
            Quote: akarfoxhound
            A 821 IAP on the Yak-28P was until 1981, then the MiG-23ML / MLD until 1994.
            That's right ... Yak-28P was also buried in Khurba. One is now standing in front of the entrance.

            Quote: akarfoxhound
            You were not embarrassed by the Pereyaslovsky 302 IAP on the Su-15, which by 1983 switched from the air defense to the Air Force and adopted the Su-17 (which the Afghan later ironed on) became the IBAP (while based at the same airfield, it changed into the Su-24, became 302 BAP and the effective manager of MO Tolyan sent him to you perfectly familiar Khurba)

            What does this have to do with the article? recourse
            We talked about it:
            Quote: akarfoxhound
            Spask Dalniy Khvalynka (Yak-28P)

            There was no Yak-28P in Khvalynka in the mid-80s. No.
            1. akarfoxhound
              akarfoxhound 9 June 2021 17: 47
              -5
              Quote: Bongo
              Quote: akarfoxhound
              Well, how, mutually interrogated?
              You can still ponder .. wink
              Quote: akarfoxhound
              in Dzemgi, they drove the MiG-23 from neighboring regiments being disbanded and carried out overflights of materiel from conservation.

              This was not the case, you are confusing with Khurba.No. At one time MiG-31s ​​were based on Dziomga, I no longer remember whose.

              No MiG-31s ​​were ever based there. We drove our materiel through them, sometimes spent the night for a couple of days. My board stood there for a long time - the engine drove the shavings, started and turned off.
              For the MiG-23 in Dzemgakh:
              http://forums.airforce.ru/matchast/4178-reestr-mig-23-sozdadim-vmeste-53/
              And the fact that there was a storage base in Khurba - in the course, Su-15 Pereyaslovskys drove there.
              Quote: Bongo

              Quote: akarfoxhound
              But here it seems like another task is to play offensive

              Are you judging by yourself? request

              And here I and your nervous reaction? You would still "be-be" in response to parry fellow

              Quote: Bongo
              Quote: akarfoxhound
              In my opinion, you covered a great period, not only the mid-80s with the Japanese F-15s, no?

              The publication on this matter clearly states:
              I must say that after the commissioning of the Japanese F-15Js, the balance of power in the Far East changed noticeably not in favor of the USSR. In the middle 1980-x
              - the time period is indicated.
              Quote: akarfoxhound
              A 821 IAP on the Yak-28P was until 1981, then the MiG-23ML / MLD until 1994.
              That's right ... Yak-28P was also buried in Khurba. One is now standing in front of the entrance.

              Quote: akarfoxhound
              You were not embarrassed by the Pereyaslovsky 302 IAP on the Su-15, which by 1983 switched from the air defense to the Air Force and adopted the Su-17 (which the Afghan later ironed on) became the IBAP (while based at the same airfield, it changed into the Su-24, became 302 BAP and the effective manager of MO Tolyan sent him to you perfectly familiar Khurba)

              What does this have to do with the article? recourse
              We talked about it:
              Quote: akarfoxhound
              Spask Dalniy Khvalynka (Yak-28P)

              There was no Yak-28P in Khvalynka in the mid-80s. No.

              By the mid-80s, the absence of the Su-15 302 regiment did not touch you, but the mention of the Yak-28 really hurt you. In my opinion, after clarifying, I clearly wrote in Russian that it was up to 81 years old. Here figs with him, but not figs and not with him? request This is what is relevant to the article and your direct hot remark. Why are you breaking into an open door?

              Not to the article - you did not serve in the Far East, we could not intersect?
              1. zyablik.olga
                zyablik.olga 10 June 2021 05: 07
                +3
                Quote: akarfoxhound
                No MiG-31s ​​were ever based there.

                Really? Ask where the MiG-31 that crashed on May 31, 1995 took off from.
                Quote: akarfoxhound
                And here I and your nervous reaction? You would still "be-be" in response to parry

                Observing your statements from the outside, I can note that you are not communicating correctly, and you allow yourself to become personal. negative
                Quote: akarfoxhound
                Not to the article - you did not serve in the Far East, we could not intersect?

                Seryozha served in the headquarters of the 11th Air Defense OA, but you hardly crossed paths.
    2. Bongo
      8 June 2021 23: 45
      +2
      Quote: hohol95
      Were there any cases when the above-mentioned air defense aircraft were used against violators of Japanese airspace?

      As far as I know, it never came to the use of weapons, but warning fire was opened.
      1. hohol95
        hohol95 9 June 2021 05: 15
        +1
        So who did they send these "warnings" to? Soviet pilots, Chinese, North Korean? Are there any more detailed data?
        1. Bongo
          9 June 2021 15: 57
          +4
          Quote: hohol95
          So who did they send these "warnings" to? Soviet pilots, Chinese, North Korean? Are there any more detailed data?

          Mostly Soviet and Chinese aircraft.
    3. Bongo
      9 June 2021 15: 54
      +5
      Quote: hohol95
      Were there any cases when the above-mentioned air defense aircraft were used against violators of Japanese airspace?

      For example, on December 9, 1987, the F-4EJ interceptors opened warning fire twice in order to displace the Soviet Tu-16s from the airspace over Okinawa and Okinoerabujima.
      1. hohol95
        hohol95 9 June 2021 17: 26
        -3
        What insidious Russians. Themselves about peace in the whole world they talk about. And their strategic bombers are still roaming through Japanese airspace!
        Or maybe through that airspace that the Japanese themselves called their own ... And others consider it neutral.
        As they did and are doing with the water that washes our shores!
        1. zyablik.olga
          zyablik.olga 10 June 2021 05: 08
          +3
          Quote: hohol95
          Or maybe through that airspace that the Japanese themselves called their own ...

          Is the airspace over the island of Okinawa neutral?
  4. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 8 June 2021 19: 00
    +1
    Compared to the Saber, the supersonic Srarfighter had a very advanced avionics.

    No, I, of course, understand that the F-104 was still that widowmaker - but why put it down like that? smile
    1. Bongo
      8 June 2021 23: 47
      +4
      Quote: Alexey RA
      No, I, of course, understand that the F-104 was still that widowmaker - but why put it down like that?

      If used correctly, the Starfighter was almost a "widowmaker" than its Soviet supersonic peers, and you certainly know that. hi
      1. akarfoxhound
        akarfoxhound 9 June 2021 13: 37
        0
        In terms of the number of accidents by the flying hours, only the Su-7 did it, and not by many, somewhere recently these figures came across. The Su-9, of course, was not far from its older brother, but I did not see it in that table. By the way, the MiG-21 in the Soviet Air Force had an accident rate 2 times lower than that of the 104th. MiG-19, we still had that apparatus in the predictability of work, our "grandfathers" (both pilots and techies) did not commemorate it with a kind word, the Chinese were able to bring materiel to the accident rate for a couple of decades (the amers had its fellow F-100Super Saber was also at first similar, the flight (especially landing) even had its own name "Dance with Sabers"
        So, as one zauzanny in nete character, who has become a meme, said - "not everything is so simple."
        1. Bongo
          9 June 2021 15: 09
          +3
          Quote: akarfoxhound
          In terms of the number of accidents by the flying hours, only the Su-7 did it, and not by many, somewhere recently these figures came across. The Su-9, of course, was not far from its older brother, but I did not see it in that table. By the way, the MiG-21 in the Soviet Air Force had an accident rate 2 times lower than that of the 104th.

          The MiG-21F-13 had an accident rate even higher than that of the Strarfighter.
  5. Alien From
    Alien From 8 June 2021 19: 21
    +6
    The author writes informative and interesting! hi
  6. Thrifty
    Thrifty 8 June 2021 19: 56
    +6
    Sergei hi as always, you write informatively, read easily, and with interest! I'd love to read the next part! hi
  7. SovAr238A
    SovAr238A 8 June 2021 22: 19
    +6
    Thank you.
    We are waiting for the continuation.

    Reading your articles, I feel a return to the mid-80s, reading articles in the ZVO magazine.
    All the same, completeness and development, this is very indicative ...
  8. akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 8 June 2021 23: 22
    -3
    Quote: Pavel57
    Not quite so - the MiG-23 ML / P / MLD could withstand the F-15. And in some elements even surpassed the American Japanese.

    I confirm! And on the Kuril Petrel, closest to the Yap, served far from the last people in the air defense aviation
    1. Bongo
      8 June 2021 23: 49
      +2
      Quote: akarfoxhound
      I confirm! And on the Kuril Petrel, closest to the Yap, served far from the last people in the air defense aviation

      Served Yes But where are their MiGs now, and where are they themselves? And the F-15J is still flying, and is being modernized quite successfully. As for the "Burevesnik" itself, it was always a very difficult airfield in terms of weather conditions.
      1. akarfoxhound
        akarfoxhound 9 June 2021 14: 35
        -4
        Quote: Bongo
        [Served Yes But where are their MiGs now, and where are they themselves? And the F-15J is still flying, and is being modernized quite successfully. As for the "Burevesnik" itself, it was always a very difficult airfield in terms of weather conditions.

        If you have an otherworldly connection - ask Borka Yeltsin "for those moments" and what was modernized in him in the 90s, your crying of Yaroslavna is of no interest to me for the wrong address.
        And now, as the "people" have been on duty there for 3 years, at first there were colleagues from 31st, now Sushki.
        The Far East, especially the coastal points, have always been difficult in terms of the weather, Bur'ka is a separate article, therefore the people there were not the last ones, and even on single-engine materiel over the "warm" ocean. You yourself have ever seen how you go on the landing in the PMU at V = 420, and behind you a white solid wall is rushing, and not just rushing, but scratching at the speed of your fighter. You dropped the TP, turned around and that's it - you drive further in milk, in the parking lot only the wingtips of the adjacent side are visible.
        This is, in my understanding, an "airfield difficult in terms of weather conditions", in Kamchatka with spare ones it is worse than in the Kuril Islands, and also an approach with only one start.
        1. Bongo
          9 June 2021 15: 08
          +3
          Quote: akarfoxhound
          If you have an otherworldly connection - ask Borka Yeltsin "for those moments" and what was modernized there in the 90s, your crying of Yaroslavna is of no interest to me for the wrong address.

          Don't be rude ... negative
          Quote: akarfoxhound
          And now, as the "people" have been on duty there for 3 years, at first there were colleagues from 31st, now Sushki.

          The MiG-31 was not there, only the Su-35S link.
          1. akarfoxhound
            akarfoxhound 9 June 2021 17: 11
            -4
            [/ quote] [quote] And now, as 3 years there "people" on the new concrete road are on duty, at first there were colleagues from 31x, now Sushki. [/ quote]
            The MiG-31 was not there, only a link of the Su-35S. [/ Quote]

            They did not guess, and I know very well the people who "made out" the departure of the crews who entered the DC even before the start of official duty in December 2018. Then they were soon changed to Sushki, and MiGari went to Chukotka

            quote = Bongo] [quote = akarfoxhound] If you have an otherworldly connection - ask Borka Yeltsin 'for those moments' and what he modernized there in the 90s, your crying of Yaroslavna is of no interest to me for the wrong address. [/ quote]
            Don't be rude ... negative
            But where are their MiGs now, and where are they? [/ quote]
            Have you tried to ask an adequate question or are you expecting an answer to this "smart" question from me? wink
            1. zyablik.olga
              zyablik.olga 10 June 2021 05: 10
              +2
              Quote: akarfoxhound
              They did not guess, and I know very well the people who "made out" the departure of the crews who entered the DC even before the start of official duty in December 2018.

              MiG-31s ​​were not constantly on duty there. Only the Su-35 from the Tallinn regiment.
              Quote: akarfoxhound
              Have you tried to ask an adequate question or are you expecting an answer to this "smart" question from me?

              Do you communicate adequately? No.
              1. akarfoxhound
                akarfoxhound 10 June 2021 09: 07
                -5
                Quote: zyablik.olga

                MiG-31s ​​were not constantly on duty there. Only the Su-35 from the Tallinn regiment.

                "MiG-31 was not there" - this is my statement?
                And yet, enlighten me - the concept of "constantly not on duty / constantly on duty" is how it is applicable and from what combat manual did you get the information about the shift unit (av.detachment) of the DS taking over duty not at the base point of the unit? And tomorrow they will again castling with the AE Migars from Uglovka - will it become "permanent"? Straight intrigued winked
                About yours and my opponent's, the adequacy of the questions - together with him you insist that I have to give an answer to the question - "from what resource MiG-23ML / MLD have been reduced?" And why the Humpbacked Union amer handed over, and EBN Russia was falling apart - I do not need to report? laughing
                If you wish, can you answer for this, and then it is most inapplicable to find out your opinion - is it adequate with the address of the question or not? wink
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  9. Pavel57
    Pavel57 9 June 2021 01: 00
    -3
    Quote: Bongo
    What exactly was the MiG-23MLD superior to the F-15J?


    R-23/24 missiles could be aimed at a target against the background of the earth. Rocket Sparrow 7F - could not.
    in all other respects, either equality or the F-15 was superior to the MiG-23. But the F-15 Mig-23 of the latest modifications could resist.

    And the MiG-25 could well fight at medium distances, again the R-40 was superior to the Sparroy 7F ..
    1. Toucan
      Toucan 9 June 2021 01: 27
      +1
      Quote: Pavel57
      Quote: Bongo
      What exactly was the MiG-23MLD superior to the F-15J?


      R-23/24 missiles could be aimed at a target against the background of the earth. Rocket Sparrow 7F - could not.
      in all other respects, either equality or the F-15 was superior to the MiG-23. But the F-15 Mig-23 of the latest modifications could resist.

      And the MiG-25 could well fight at medium distances, again the R-40 was superior to the Sparroy 7F ..

      In the article, the author clearly said with which medium-range missile launcher the Japanese F-15J flew. Reread.
      Comparing 500 kg P-40 with AIM-7M is somehow strange. There were missiles for various purposes.
      The MiG-23MLD could compare with the F-15J in acceleration characteristics, but lost in maneuverability. There is nothing surprising in this, these machines were created at different times for different concepts. The Phantom can be considered the same age as the 23rd.
      1. Vovk
        Vovk 9 June 2021 16: 42
        +4
        What exactly was the MiG-23MLD superior to the F-15J?


        Probably weapons?
        The GSh-23L twin aircraft cannon, installed at the bottom of the fuselage, with the pilot's carelessness, easily demolished the front landing gear in the extended state ... a dust and debris collector during landing and takeoff. In terms of maintenance of cannon armament, only the MiG-23/17 were worse than the MiG-19 ... the gun itself was as reliable as an AK, but the location ...
        Rockets ... many say that the USSR's missile armament was better than its Western counterparts, so much depended on the year of production and the batch ...
        The MiG-23 could butt at a long distance with the F-15 only 2 P-24, i.e. in the case of one "miss", there was only the second. Let me remind you that in electronics and electronic warfare, the MiG-23 was far behind the F-15 ...
        R-73 - average distance, also 2 pieces ... what to say, very much depended on the release batch ... checking its performance before a combat flight with a lit cigarette speaks of the quality for itself.
        The R-60 is not fish, not meat, for very close battles with the F-15 ... so it won't come that close ... it will throw missiles from a distance.
        Probably equipment?
        Equipment of the MiG-23MLD ... the worldwide sadness of technicians, to replace one unit, they had to take out the entire drain-locker behind the cockpit with a crane ... in terms of quality ... let's say the sunset of an analogue - a radio station and an aircraft transponder norm, a radio station and radar equipment - a lottery could refuse for no particular reason at the wrong moment (rarely, but it happened), the autopilot is a WW2-era mechanic.
        The propulsion system - the only advantages - good thrust-to-weight ratio ... ran away from the F-15 in afterburner ... replacement and installation - the Kama Sutra for technicians ...
        Variable sweep of the wing ... a huge minus - a small load on the pylons with suspended weapons ... about the folding ventral ridge - no comment.
        In total, for air battles with the MiG-23MLD with the F-15, a lot depended on luck and fortune, for 2-long-range radar-guided missiles + 2 medium missiles with IR are nothing compared to the F-15 with 8 long-range missiles + ideal radar equipment and electronic warfare ...
    2. Bongo
      9 June 2021 15: 44
      +4
      Quote: Pavel57
      And the MiG-25 could well fight at medium distances, again the R-40 was superior to the Sparroy 7F.

      The UR R-40 was sharpened against such aircraft as the B-52 and RC-135, in terms of overloading the UR AIM-7M Sparrow with which the F-80J was armed from the second half of the 15s was greatly inferior.
      Quote: Pavel57
      R-23/24 missiles could be aimed at a target against the background of the earth. Rocket Sparrow 7F - could not.

      UR AIM-7M couldn’t, couldn’t it? And you greatly overestimate the capabilities of the UR R-23R.
  10. Pavel57
    Pavel57 9 June 2021 02: 26
    -5
    Quote: Tucan
    In the article, the author clearly said with which medium-range missile launcher the Japanese F-15J flew. Reread.
    Comparing 500 kg P-40 with AIM-7M is somehow strange. There were missiles for various purposes.
    The MiG-23MLD could compare with the F-15J in acceleration characteristics, but lost in maneuverability. There is nothing surprising in this, these machines were created at different times for different concepts. The Phantom can be considered the same age as the 23rd.


    You can measure concepts, but at a specific time in a specific place, these aircraft were on different front lines of the Cold War.
    He could shoot down the MiG-25 F-15 - yes, easily. There are examples: in Iraq, the F-25 became the target of the MiG-18. Nobody measured concepts, they fought with what was at the moment.
    1. Toucan
      Toucan 9 June 2021 04: 26
      +2
      He could shoot down the MiG-25 F-15 - yes, easily. There are examples: in Iraq, the F-25 became the target of the MiG-18. Nobody measured concepts, they fought with what was at the moment.

      The flight characteristics of a fighter and the tactics of its use at the design level are laid out conceptually.
      As for "someone shot down someone", we can compare the real combat successes of the MiG-25P and F-15C.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 9 June 2021 07: 08
        +3
        As the LA F15 is more versatile and versatile than the MiG25. A good device, considering that it was created at the "dawn" of the 4th generation and does not want to leave the stage in the form of an F-15EX
  11. Pavel57
    Pavel57 9 June 2021 22: 26
    -3
    Quote: Bongo
    UR AIM-7M couldn’t, couldn’t it? And you greatly overestimate the capabilities of the UR R-23R.

    You will decide in what time period the comparison is. When the Sparrow 7M appeared, our answer was the R-27 on the Su-27.
    And R-23 and R-24 could work against the background of the earth. This was one of the reasons why the P-23 was adopted, and not the P-25, a copy of the Sparrow 7E. R-23/24 performed well in the conflict between Iraq and Iran. By the way, the F-14 with Sparrow did not dominate much there.
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  13. akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 10 June 2021 09: 41
    -2
    Quote: zyablik.olga
    ]
    Observing your statements from the outside, I can note that you are not communicating correctly, and you allow yourself to become personal. negative

    You will forgive me, but the transition to personalities is an insult to the person with an obscene word, but in no way a call not to conduct a dialogue in the manner of a child's argument in a sandbox.
    And, not for ladies' ears, but I don’t know how to change the rhyme - any aviator of our glorious Air Force knows, anyone and in any state can quote: "Our aviation is supported by rivets and by the way ... x". The army is a rough thing, but in humor and definitions it is accurate, otherwise we will not survive wink
  14. akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 10 June 2021 10: 09
    0
    Quote: zyablik.olga
    Quote: akarfoxhound
    No MiG-31s ​​were ever based there.

    Really? Ask where the MiG-31 that crashed on May 31, 1995 took off from.

    Cool, i.e. when equipment is driven from Kamchatka to ARZ across the whole country (sometimes it takes up to 2 weeks) with landings at intermediate airfields (the first points after Okhotsk Dzemga, Kam.Ruchey, Khurba) - are we partly based on them? And when we fly over the same Dzemgi for regular firing by crews to the ranges in Chita or Vladik, we are also based !? Having reached Uglovka and a couple of weeks, shooting with 4-8 crews together with colleagues from other regiments - are we the crowd "stationed" there? And when, during the ferry through Dzemgi in 2012, I would not have immediately after launch, but on takeoff with full refueling and suspension of the engines jammed and would have to jump - as it were considered - ejected during takeoff from the basing point?
    Quote: zyablik.olga
    Seryozha served in the headquarters of the 11th Air Defense OA, but you hardly crossed paths.

    Not at all in the affirmative, but perhaps there are a lot of people. You have no idea what a "round earth" in aviation! And with whom I only in service and friendship did not intersect until the High Command and the General Staff, inclusive wink
  15. Pavel57
    Pavel57 10 June 2021 12: 43
    -3
    Quote: Tucan
    Comparing 500 kg P-40 with AIM-7M is somehow strange. There were missiles for various purposes.

    The purpose of all B-B missiles is the same - to bring a field of fragments to the target, which will force the enemy aircraft to stop the combat mission.
    1. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 10 June 2021 13: 17
      +1
      Quote: Pavel57
      The purpose of all B-B missiles is the same - to bring a field of fragments to the target, which will force the enemy aircraft to stop the combat mission.

      There is a former MiG-23 pilot on the branch, at least that's how he positions himself. Maybe you should ask him a question and not engage in demagoguery?
  16. zyablik.olga
    zyablik.olga 10 June 2021 13: 14
    0
    Quote: akarfoxhound
    You will forgive me, but the transition to personalities is an insult to the person with an obscene word, but in no way a call not to conduct a dialogue in the manner of a child's argument in a sandbox.
    And, not for ladies' ears, but I don’t know how to change the rhyme - any aviator of our glorious Air Force knows, anyone and in any state can quote: "Our aviation is supported by rivets and by the way ... x". The army is a rough thing, but in humor and definitions it is accurate, otherwise we will not survive

    Do not mask rudeness with humor! No. You are not in the barracks, and not on the parade ground!
  17. Pavel57
    Pavel57 10 June 2021 14: 32
    -2
    Quote: zyablik.olga
    There is a former MiG-23 pilot on the branch, at least that's how he positions himself. Maybe you should ask him a question and not engage in demagoguery?

    And here is demagoguery. You have demagoguery - to put cons without proof.