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Imprisoned cannot be extradited: what threatens Protasevich's girlfriend Sapega

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On May 23, 2021, during a forced landing of a Ryanair plane en route from Athens to Vilnius, at the Minsk airport, Russian woman Sofia Sapega was detained together with Belarusian oppositionist Roman Protasevich, founder and editor of the Nexta Telegram channel recognized as extremist in Belarus. However, Sofia Sapega, in fact, can only be called a Russian by her citizenship.


Who are you, Sofia Sapega


A native of Vladivostok, Sofia ended up in Belarus as a child. When she was eight years old, her mother moved to Pinsk. At the same time, her daughter retained Russian citizenship, and in Belarus she has a residence permit. It was this circumstance that caused a separate public interest in the Sapieha case, but first - about the heroine of our article herself.

In Belarus, Sofia Sapega received her secondary education, but decided to study further in neighboring Lithuania - at the European Humanities University in Vilnius. Then she met Roman Protasevich, and they began a personal relationship. Sapega is a very young girl, in February 2021 she turned 23 years old.

On May 26, 2021, President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko called Sapieha Protasevich's accomplice. As was to be expected, the president already had a basis for such a statement: the day before Lukashenka's speech, on May 25, Sophia Sapieha was brought to the Investigative Committee of Belarus. There, in the presence of a lawyer, the girl was interrogated by the investigator.

At first, Sapega referred to Article 27 of the Constitution of the Republic of Belarus, which gives the right not to testify against herself (analogous to the Russian 51st Article of the Constitution), but then the investigator still managed to get the girl to talk. In the video from the interrogation, which was circulated right there on the Web, she admits that she is the editor of the Telegram channel “Black Book of Belarus”. This channel, during and after the mass protests in Belarus, published personal data of the Belarusian security forces.

The Belarusian opposition, Russian liberals and the West believe that Sapega confessed under pressure from the security agencies and the investigation. In the publications of the liberal media, they immediately began to recall the numerous techniques used by investigators in order to "split" the person under investigation - from banal beatings and torture to injections of psychotropic drugs.


Roman Protasevich

However, Sapieha's involvement in the peace of the Belarusian opposition is hardly in doubt. And the point here is not only that she is a friend of Roman Protasevich. From her student days, Sapega, for example, worked on the Polish satellite TV channel Belsat. This channel is located in Poland, but broadcasts in Belarusian. The channel's political orientation is clear.

What is Sapieha charged with


Sapieha, given her recognition in the editing of the "Black Book" channel, picked up a fairly serious set of articles of the Criminal Code of Belarus.

Firstly, this is a criminal case under Article 1 of Art. 342 of the Criminal Code of Belarus - "Organization of group actions that grossly violate public order and are associated with clear disobedience to the legal requirements of government officials or entail disruption of transport, enterprises, institutions or organizations, or active participation in such actions in the absence of signs of a more serious crime." The punishment under this article is a fine, arrest or imprisonment up to 3 years. Now more than 200 participants in the riots in Minsk are involved in the case. The case is being investigated by the Minsk Office of the Investigative Committee of Belarus.

Secondly, this is a criminal case under a more serious article - Part 1 of Art. 293 of the Criminal Code of Belarus - “Organization of mass riots accompanied by violence against individuals, pogroms, arson, destruction of property or armed resistance to representatives of the authorities”. The punishment under this article is up to 15 years in prison. The case is being investigated by the Main Directorate of the Investigative Committee of Belarus.

Thirdly, after the confessionary testimony, Sapega is charged with committing a crime, the responsibility for which is provided for in Part 3 of Art. 130 of the Criminal Code of Belarus - “Incitement of racial, national, religious or other social hostility or hatred”. The punishment is up to 12 years in prison. Sapega is already accused of this article as the editor of the Black Book channel.

Can Sapega be released to Russia


Since Sofia is still a citizen of the Russian Federation, Moscow was forced to react to her detention. Lukashenka found himself in a difficult situation. On the one hand, Sapieha needs to be brought to justice together with Protasevich, but on the other hand, it is obvious that this may entail problems in relations with Russia, and now the Belarusian president does not need them at all. As a result, on May 30, the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Belarus Vladimir Makei clarified: Sapega can be pardoned and transferred to the Russian Federation, but this is possible only after the trial.


More recently, Sapega posted a photo on Instagram, but after the arrest, the page disappeared

On June 1, 2020, President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko announced that the Sapieha case would be investigated by Belarusian investigative bodies. Since these words were uttered after Lukashenko's meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin, it became clear that Russia did not strongly object to the investigation of the criminal case against Sapieha in Belarus.

At the same time, not only representatives of the opposition, but also quite pro-government experts and journalists, are talking about the need to extradite Sapieha to Russia. This is also understandable: firstly, it would be nice for the Russian authorities to show that they can influence Lukashenka's decisions, especially when it comes to the fate of Russian citizens; secondly, support for Lukashenka's actions in relation to Sapieha and Protasevich will not have the best effect on the already problematic image of the Russian Federation in the eyes of the West.

Of course, the Kremlin understands that Sapega is only formally a citizen of Russia, but the mere possession of a Russian passport provides her with hope of intercession on the part of the authorities of our country. On the other hand, Sapieha has a residence permit in Belarus, she is accused of committing crimes, responsibility for which is provided for by Belarusian legislation, on the territory of Belarus. In theory, there she should be judged.

What will be the further development of events? The investigation into the Sapega case will probably take place in Belarus. But the fact of recognition of Protasevich, who "handed over" the opposition leaders and confirmed their financing from abroad, may indicate a new plan of the country's authorities. It consists in the fact that Protasevich will publicly repent of his deed, after which he will nevertheless be condemned, but Lukashenka will show “kindness” and pardon him with his decree.

Thus, the requirements of the legislation will be observed, and the West will calm down, and Protasevich himself will learn a lesson. Perhaps this is what the Belarusian authorities think. Obviously, the situation with Sapieha may look similar. Probably, the case will be brought to court, after which the girl will be pardoned and deported to Russia, having her Belarusian residence permit canceled.

Another option - Sapega will not be pardoned, but will be handed over to Russia to serve his sentence. Here she can be released. This is roughly how the fate of the head of Uralkali, Vladislav Baumgertner, developed: he was in a pre-trial detention center in Belarus, but then he was transferred to Russia, where he was soon released under house arrest, and then the criminal case against him was dropped.

Finally, Sapega can simply be deported from Belarus, banning her from entering the country for 10 years. Then the girl's political activity will be a subject for the attention of Russian law enforcement agencies. Although it is possible that this activity as such will no longer be. It all depends on whether the Belarusian opposition wants to further exploit the image of the girl or finally close the issue with her as “waste material”.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 7 June 2021 11: 07
    -11%
    But this citizen is nominal, like a litmus test.
    We often argue here whether a passport of a citizen of the Russian Federation will help residents of Donbass? Let's see.
    1. Anachoret
      Anachoret 7 June 2021 11: 26
      +16
      it's not that she's a nominal citizen)
      it will be more convenient for Russia to be convicted in Belarus and transferred to serve a sentence in Russia)
      thus, solidarity will be shown in the integration processes and the judicial and penitentiary systems of the countries)
      so there is no point in counting on a pardon, unless this is part of some kind of undercover game)
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 7 June 2021 11: 50
        +3
        Sapieha must be brought to justice along with Protasevich, but on the other hand, it is obvious that this may entail problems in relations with Russia, and now the Belarusian president does not need them at all.
        Quote: Anchorite
        it will be more convenient for Russia to be convicted in Belarus and transferred to serve a sentence in Russia)
        thus, solidarity will be shown in the integration processes and the judicial and penitentiary systems of the countries)

        And so it will be. Who would quarrel or strain because of her. Yes, and most likely they will not pardon her, they will simply condemn her and hand her over to serve us. Normal, common procedure, it is fully applicable.
        1. NIKN
          NIKN 7 June 2021 12: 19
          +5
          support for Lukashenka's actions in relation to Sapieha and Protasevich will not have the best effect on the already the problematic image of the Russian Federation in the eyes of the West.
          Well, and for a long time we will look to the West, which with all its might and I do not even know what else is pushing us into ... Isn't it better to show that the West seems to be on our side and all its attempts, well, no matter how we don't care.
        2. ccsr
          ccsr 7 June 2021 13: 29
          0
          Quote: NDR-791
          Yes, and most likely they will not pardon her, they will simply condemn her and hand her over to serve us.

          I think it is pointless to give this "revolutionary" a term, and we do not need hemorrhoids with her, and therefore this option is most acceptable:
          Sapega can simply be deported from Belarus, banning her from entering the country for 10 years.

          There is no need to make a fighter for the idea out of her, and then we will not have to justify ourselves before all sorts of "human rights defenders" by allowing European parliamentary verbiage to check on the serving of the term.
          In general, she did not do much harm to us, and the West is unlikely to need it - that's where she can be kicked out, for example, to Poland. And if he starts to rock the boat, then immediately remind that the case can be reconsidered upon the discovery of new circumstances already in Russia.
          1. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov 7 June 2021 14: 55
            +3
            Quote: ccsr
            You don't need to make a fighter for an idea out of her,

            Somehow, you and the author of the article have everything easy and simple with Sapieha ... And the young, but, nevertheless, nimble owner of several passports and residence permits, the person violated serious and weighty articles of the law of Belarus and, together with her boyfriend - a one-thinker, led a serious provocative subversive activity against the country, associated with a threat to the lives of many law-abiding Belarusians. And she threatens her with 10-15 years for her "jokes" ... And she will most likely grow up in a Russian penal colony. Got badly.
            1. Alena Frolovna
              Alena Frolovna 7 June 2021 15: 09
              +6
              Sapega - absolutely young girl, in February 2021 she turned only? 23 years old.

              It was necessary to write such nonsense, and even defend this stupid underdeveloped woman.
              What kind of young girl is she? Young is at 18, and at 23, most were already mothers. And then, she's never a girl ... To talk about what will be of no interest to her, I know one thing: she must be held accountable for her actions in all the severity of the law. Moreover, this is not the "person" about which you need to chatter from all angles. There are topics that are much more important and serious.
            2. ccsr
              ccsr 7 June 2021 17: 49
              +4
              Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
              And she threatens her with 10-15 years for her "jokes" ...

              Well, leave it to yourself and worry about it yourself, just we don't need to hang up your problems. And then you dream of transferring the arrows to Russia, and remain white and fluffy yourself - this will not work.
              Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
              ... And she will most likely have to grow up in a Russian penal colony.

              And you will put her in your ITKs, let her grow up there - or are you afraid to do it?
          2. alexmach
            alexmach 7 June 2021 16: 27
            +4
            I think it's pointless to give this "revolutionary" a term

            If it really has something to do with this very "Black Book", then it is never meaningless.
        3. ammunition
          ammunition 7 June 2021 18: 01
          +1
          Quote: NDR-791
          Sapega needs to be held accountable

          Peter Paul Sapega (Polish Piotr Paweł Sapieha, January 25, 1701, Dresden - January 24, 1771, Zilina) - magnate of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth from the Sapieha clan... Acting chamberlain (12.04.1726/1732/1744), the great Lithuanian steward in 1744-1730, governor of Smolensk from XNUMX. He owned Lyakhovichi, Kossovo, Stary Zditov, as well as estates in Poland. From XNUMX he held the Zditovskoe eldership ..... laughing
      2. alexmach
        alexmach 7 June 2021 16: 25
        +3
        in this way, solidarity will be shown in the integration processes and the judicial and penitentiary systems of the countries

        What for? And what about other convicts imprisoned in Russia by the decision of the Belarusian court?
        Let them deal with it themselves, if they condemn it, let them sit there.
    2. alexmach
      alexmach 7 June 2021 16: 23
      0
      We often argue here whether a passport of a citizen of the Russian Federation will help residents of Donbass? Let's see

      What to look at then? Here was a somewhat similar case last summer, with a platoon of former militias suddenly stuck in Belarus.
    3. Living7111972
      Living7111972 7 June 2021 17: 44
      0
      Revoke citizenship and forget
    4. Intruder
      Intruder 9 June 2021 04: 10
      0
      this, nominal, as a litmus test.
      Legally has the citizenship of the Russian Federation !? Then, if they didn’t take it into their heads to “swear nicely” with the Kremlin, showing Europe their “illusory political muscles,” they should be sent, and there, as the Motherland decides in its own court, they can postpone the execution of the sentence until better times, and under a home with a bracelet, and can forcibly, so to speak conditionally punish ... In short, politics - she is still that woman with low social responsibility, as the Tsar-Father used to say in his time! lol
  2. RealPilot
    RealPilot 7 June 2021 11: 08
    +17
    Judge in Belarus to the fullest extent and send him to serve his sentence in Russia. No condescension or pardon.

    Publication of the personal data of security officials and their relatives with calls for violence and even murder is prohibitive! You can't let them out just like that.
    1. SERGE ANT
      SERGE ANT 7 June 2021 11: 22
      +1
      Quote: RealPilot
      send to serve a sentence in Russia
      Why is she here, here's a good option
      simply deport from Belarus, banning her from entering the country for 10 years.
      Let him go to see a friend in Lithuania.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 7 June 2021 12: 29
        +7
        Quote: SERGE ant
        Let him go to see a friend in Lithuania.

        But she even looks like a cutlet aunt! So it's just right for the two of them ... to sit on the bunk
        1. lis-ik
          lis-ik 7 June 2021 14: 05
          0
          Quote: Egoza
          Quote: SERGE ant
          Let him go to see a friend in Lithuania.

          But she even looks like a cutlet aunt! So it's just right for the two of them ... to sit on the bunk

          It's not even Russian at all by its last name. Cocoa rubbish, let him knock around on bunks in Belarus.
  3. Revival
    Revival 7 June 2021 11: 11
    -11%
    "At first, Sapega referred to Article 27 of the Constitution of the Republic of Belarus, which gives the right not to testify against herself (analogous to the Russian 51st Article of the Constitution), but then the investigator still managed to get the girl to talk."

    So I imagine, out of kindness, I decided to tell everything
    1. credo
      credo 7 June 2021 11: 38
      +2
      Quote: Revival
      "At first, Sapega referred to Article 27 of the Constitution of the Republic of Belarus, which gives the right not to testify against herself (analogous to the Russian 51st Article of the Constitution), but then the investigator still managed to get the girl to talk."

      So I imagine, out of kindness, I decided to tell everything

      Maybe you should first get acquainted with the Criminal Code before you flirt.
      The Criminal Code provides for an article mitigating punishment in case of voluntary testimony, and a young girl who still has her whole life ahead of her can help reduce the term and severity of punishment.
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 7 June 2021 11: 55
        +3
        Quote: credo
        Maybe you should first get acquainted with the Criminal Code before you flirt.

        And that's not even the point. She began to speak when Protasevich blurted out that his own people had set him up (abydna, right? wassat ). In this situation, both will merge everyone they know and do not know. And, in principle, they will not be silent - not heroes, to be honest
      2. Revival
        Revival 7 June 2021 11: 59
        -6
        Read, I read.
        So I ask, what evidence?
        They are also, as it were, provided.
        And only one "voluntary" recognition is not such, according to the law, by the way.
        And how can it legally be possible to make a person talking about Article 51 of the Constitution?
        Have you persuaded?
        1. credo
          credo 7 June 2021 12: 06
          +7
          Quote: Revival
          Read, I read.
          So I ask, what evidence?
          They are also, as it were, provided.
          And only one "voluntary" recognition is not such, according to the law, by the way.
          And how can it legally be possible to make a person talking about Article 51 of the Constitution?
          Have you persuaded?

          Yes, it's very simple.
          First, the suspect refers to an article of the Constitution or other law that gives him the right not to speak against himself.
          Then he is introduced to some evidence against him and is told about the estimated time for committing this offense (crime).
          He then consults with a lawyer, who confirms or refutes the allegations of the investigation.
          And only then the suspect decides the dilemma of how long it is better for him to spend in places not so distant.
          1. Revival
            Revival 7 June 2021 12: 10
            -8
            Maybe so, but the article is presented in such a way that suddenly she herself decided to tell everything, and this is idiocy or pressure.
            One is unlikely, the other is illegal.

            So the question arises
            1. credo
              credo 7 June 2021 12: 15
              +6
              Quote: Revival
              Maybe so, but the article is presented in such a way that suddenly she herself decided to tell everything, and this is idiocy or pressure.
              One is unlikely, the other is illegal.

              So the question arises

              This is not idiocy or pressure, but a sober calculation.
              We must proceed from the fact that a young, beautiful and maybe not completely stupid girl, suddenly realizing that she could get into a zone where she will share a bunk with murderers, prostitutes or drug addicts, soberly weighed all the pros and cons and accepted the only true solution for her.
              1. Revival
                Revival 7 June 2021 12: 25
                -5
                So it is implied that she was presented with irrefutable evidence?
                1. credo
                  credo 7 June 2021 12: 30
                  +5
                  Quote: Revival
                  So it is implied that she was presented with irrefutable evidence?

                  Anything can be. Do not forget that with her another "hero" is in jail and it seems that he is not going to play in silence either.
                2. Pandiurin
                  Pandiurin 7 June 2021 20: 13
                  +2
                  Quote: Revival
                  So it is implied that she was presented with irrefutable evidence?


                  Most likely, the investigation had evidence for a serious period from the very beginning.
                  In cases of refusal to cooperate sincerely with the investigation, I would receive the maximum. Protasevich preferred to cooperate, which means he will hand over common "acquaintances" accomplices, if they take them, they will begin to testify against the same Sapega.
                  Those. while there is an investigation against her, they will still dig up a bunch of textures. Let's say they give her 5 or 7 years while she sits still something pops up, without spending one term she can get another trailer.
                  I decided for now that there would be a discount, a classic.
                3. Okolotochny
                  Okolotochny 8 June 2021 10: 48
                  0
                  So it is implied that she was presented with irrefutable evidence?
                  [/ Quote]
                  Catch.
                  [quote] she admits that she is the editor of the Telegram channel "Black Book of Belarus"

                  This is proved simply - screen shots from the channel, certified by a notary, and then seizure of these certified documents is made. Is this composition enough for you?
          2. Avior
            Avior 7 June 2021 13: 15
            -3
            He then consults with a lawyer, who confirms or refutes the allegations of the investigation.

            a lawyer was not allowed to see her
            1. Revival
              Revival 7 June 2021 13: 19
              -2
              So these are trifles, this is "legal" apparently
            2. credo
              credo 7 June 2021 13: 21
              +2
              Quote: Avior
              He then consults with a lawyer, who confirms or refutes the allegations of the investigation.

              a lawyer was not allowed to see her

              I do not follow every day of the life of Sapieha or Protasevich, so I cannot say otherwise. After all, she has such a right to a lawyer and she can file a complaint against the refusal to admit a lawyer.
              1. Avior
                Avior 7 June 2021 13: 53
                -2
                Moscow. May 28. INTERFAX.RU - The lawyer of the Russian woman Sofia Sapieha detained in Minsk, Alexander Filanovich, said that he could visit her in the pre-trial detention center on Friday .... Sapega was detained on May 23. The lawyer was only able to see her on May 28 for the first time.

                she can file a complaint against the refusal to admit a lawyer

                can. those who did not admit a lawyer.
                I do not follow every day of the life of Sapieha or Protasevich, so I cannot say otherwise.

                direct means you can - but the opposite is not?
                how is it simple with you ...
                Yes, it's very simple.
                First, the suspect refers to an article of the Constitution or other law that gives him the right not to speak against himself.
                Then he is introduced to some evidence against him and is told about the estimated time for committing this offense (crime).
                He then consults with a lawyer, who confirms or refutes the allegations of the investigation.

                with a lawyer, a bobble came out ...
                hi
                1. credo
                  credo 7 June 2021 14: 02
                  +3
                  Quote: Avior
                  ... the direct means you can - but the opposite is not?
                  how is it simple with you ...

                  They set themselves up and what is my fault?
                  At first, the lawyer was not allowed in, and then they gave the go-ahead. Well, this is good and the issue was resolved.

                  What are the claims against me? You decided to take me at my word? So this is a nonsense exercise, because my position turned out to be correct and the admission of a lawyer is most likely connected only with a procedural hitch, and not a blunder.
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 7 June 2021 14: 08
                    -3
                    my position was correct

                    how can it be true if there was no lawyer?
                    admission of a lawyer is most likely associated only with a procedural hitch

                    five days in a row hesitated ...
                    1. credo
                      credo 7 June 2021 14: 22
                      +2
                      Quote: Avior
                      my position was correct

                      how can it be true if there was no lawyer?

                      At first it was not, then it appeared. What is the problem? The defendant may have chosen a lawyer or the lawyer was away, did not agree on the price of services, etc. etc. Pure fortune-telling on coffee grounds, which has nothing to do with procedural issues.

                      admission of a lawyer is most likely associated only with a procedural hitch

                      five days in a row hesitated ...


                      How did it hurt you, if you don't even know the reasons for the hitch and whose fault it happened? Sapieha already has a lawyer and the case has not yet reached the trial, which means that both the defense and the prosecution have something to work on and with.
                      1. Avior
                        Avior 7 June 2021 14: 25
                        -2
                        How did it hurt you, if you don't even know the reasons for the hitch

                        unlike you, I know what I'm writing about.
                        and on your doorstep
                        Yes, it's very simple.

                        although it is clear from the communication that you do not know anything about the case, but you draw loud conclusions
                        hi
                    2. Okolotochny
                      Okolotochny 8 June 2021 10: 44
                      +1
                      how can it be true if there was no lawyer?

                      Does this cancel out the fact that she was a Black Book moderator? Did she disclose the personal data of the security officials so that they could be “brought to their knees” later? Is this what you want? Or is everything calm in Israel that Belarus and Russia can wish Ukraine's fate?
            3. tacet
              tacet 7 June 2021 16: 56
              0
              They were not allowed, but the interrogation was conducted in the presence of a lawyer.
              1. Avior
                Avior 7 June 2021 18: 13
                +1
                there was no lawyer there
                The interrogation lasted until May 25, and the lawyer was only allowed to see her on May 28.
        2. Whiteidol
          Whiteidol 7 June 2021 12: 46
          +1
          Elementary. She would not have been detained for no reason. There is evidence of her involvement. During the conversation, they provided some of the available evidence. Then they offered 2 options. Option 1. You can say nothing at all and the court will rely on the evidence that is in the materials of the UD, and they are, otherwise she would not have been detained. Get the most out of it. You will serve your sentence on the territory of the Republic of Belarus. Option 2. You tell everything, get a verdict and fly to the Russian Federation like a white swan.
          1. Revival
            Revival 7 June 2021 12: 54
            -2
            "and they are, otherwise she would not have been detained."

            This statement is very controversial.
            1. Whiteidol
              Whiteidol 7 June 2021 20: 29
              +3
              Otherwise, they would have interrogated and released. And we and Belarus are able to track activity on the internet.
        3. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 7 June 2021 13: 13
          +1
          Here, Russian citizen Maria Butina learned on herself all the delights of democratic torture in the United States and she held out for a week. I think she gave the CIA the ear technology of extracting confessions to ours thoroughly. And Sapieha on the second day was colonized, using the same technologies. Americans are allowed, Belarusians are not allowed. Or This is not that, this is different. Sapega worked off Western money, the court, to sit for a year and write a petition for pardon. And there as God will judge.
          1. Revival
            Revival 7 June 2021 13: 17
            -7
            "Butina learned all the delights of democratic torture on herself."

            She kept silent about them.
            What kind of torture was there?
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 7 June 2021 14: 32
              +1
              It is clear that if they didn’t read it or ignored it, it doesn’t mean that they weren’t there. The light in the cell didn’t turn off, they didn’t let sleep, interrogations on the stream. In the sea he eliminated the accident for three days without sleep, and not one. So I know what it is. Yes, the consul was allowed to see her when she made a deal with the investigation. You understand, Butina is not that. But for me Sapega is not that.
              1. Revival
                Revival 7 June 2021 14: 39
                -3
                I watched her interview with the Goblin, she did not speak about torture.
                So do not run ahead of the locomotive, you will at least seem smarter, with your conjectures about others
                1. tralflot1832
                  tralflot1832 7 June 2021 15: 06
                  +4
                  To your comment, I only have something that VO will not miss. Read Maria Butina Prison Diary. 4 months in solitary confinement is not torture. Every 15 minutes at night the question of how you feel is not torture! Everything is clear with you!
                  1. Revival
                    Revival 7 June 2021 15: 40
                    -4
                    "Every 15 minutes at night, the question of how you feel is not torture!"

                    Question: Do you think this is torture for anyone?
                    No double standards?
                  2. Revival
                    Revival 7 June 2021 15: 41
                    -2
                    Your pressure hasn't risen, by the way?
                    Or are you so suddenly excited?
                    1. tralflot1832
                      tralflot1832 7 June 2021 15: 58
                      +2
                      Minusa is not from me, finished.
                      1. Revival
                        Revival 7 June 2021 16: 14
                        -1
                        Finished, finished.

                        And if about "constantly waking up is torture," then you decided not to answer, because you realized that I will give you an example, after which you either have to openly admit double standards or ...
                      2. tralflot1832
                        tralflot1832 7 June 2021 16: 46
                        +2
                        Butina’s memories are enough for me, not your conclusions. Now I support her in the elections to the Duma, and a special thank you for Sisyan. And after her release, Sapieha will take the path of correction.
                      3. Revival
                        Revival 7 June 2021 16: 50
                        -2
                        I thought so open double standards, nothing unexpected
                      4. tralflot1832
                        tralflot1832 7 June 2021 16: 56
                        +3
                        We learn, those who are not with us are against us.
                    2. Revival
                      Revival 8 June 2021 01: 05
                      -2
                      Now it is clear who to thank for the deputies who voted for the pension reform
                    3. Incvizitor
                      Incvizitor 8 June 2021 12: 24
                      +1
                      I voted but not for her but against you.
                    4. Revival
                      Revival 8 June 2021 16: 21
                      -1
                      I have not been nominated to be elected anywhere, are you struggling with phantoms?
                      Amusingly
                    5. Revival
                      Revival 8 June 2021 16: 21
                      -1
                      And a special thank you for the pension reform
        4. Dante Alighieri
          Dante Alighieri 7 June 2021 17: 46
          -1
          Read Maria Butina Prison Diary.

          Strange advice, who in his book will tell badly about himself?

          In general, you can not tell anything about Masha Dawasha. Fortunately, I have one alma mater and one department with her, and although I graduated a little later about Butina, I am more than enough informed about who she is and what she is. And I'm not alone. The girl managed to inherit notably both at the university (she accused the teacher of harassment) and in the regional public chamber. Go to our Altai media: Amitel or Bankfax read the comments that users leave under the news with this "prisoner of conscience", you will immediately understand why she went to the Edra primaries in the Kirov region, and not in her native Altai Territory. By the way, earlier many adherents of short-barrels from "Right to Arms" were grazing at VO, but something has quieted down recently: the Kerch and Kazan arrows have apparently cooled their heads cool.
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 7 June 2021 17: 59
            +1
            Yes, you love to dig deeper into someone else's underwear, in spite of your comments. laughing
            1. Dante Alighieri
              Dante Alighieri 7 June 2021 18: 10
              0
              Not of my own free will, you know. It's just that I was once saved from the fate of being among her followers. That's popularly enlightened. I don't think it makes sense for the department staff to lie. But I don’t know who informed the local bamond.

              In any case, I have given you food for thought. Not all that glitters is gold, but what is advertised even more so.

              By the way, no matter how we relate to Mary, we all collectively signed a letter to the judge, characterizing her exclusively as a pioneer Komsomol member and an ardent champion of democratic rights and freedoms. It was a pity for the fool. But for some people, life teaches nothing. It is clear that not turning your imprisonment into political capital is at least stupid, but do not forget that she was also brought to the prison bench by excessive ambitions.
          2. ccsr
            ccsr 7 June 2021 18: 10
            0
            Quote: Dante
            Strange advice, who in his book will tell badly about himself?

            In Butina's assessment, I completely agree with you. Here some "forgot" how she ended up in the United States, and whose interests she lobbied. And some of us shed tears from her memories and are ready to vote for her in the elections to the Duma - in general, some kind of phantasmagoria. Moreover, it is still unknown why she returned and developed a violent political activity in our country - we do not know how everything was really there in prison, and it is not difficult to squeeze a tear out of the gullible. After the American prison, she generally needs to permanently close the way to government agencies, for our own safety.
            1. Dante Alighieri
              Dante Alighieri 7 June 2021 18: 24
              +1
              Our government adheres to the principle of loyalty, Masha is an ideal candidate in this regard: everywhere she expresses support for the ruling class, and no more is required of her. No one really reflects on the threat that someone from abroad may well hold her by the thread. Someone will of course say that it is special. services, they say, they checked everything for a hundred rows, but personally knowing how Masha's case went at the last stages, when all the sponsors turned away from her and had to make a deal with the court, to the participation of our specials. services I do not believe well.
          3. Revival
            Revival 8 June 2021 01: 06
            -3
            You do not have to bother yourself, the person openly promotes double standards, so your arguments will not help, no matter how convincing
  4. nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 8 June 2021 11: 09
    +1
    Sergei does not need to juggle here. Those interested can familiarize themselves with Maria's memories of being in democratic torture chambers, and methods of processing detainees in the public domain, by the way, you too.
    1. Revival
      Revival 8 June 2021 11: 38
      -1
      If this comment is directed to me, then I would like to understand in response to what my comment is, otherwise it is not clear what to answer
  • Intruder
    Intruder 9 June 2021 04: 15
    0
    And how can it legally be possible to make a person talking about Article 51 of the Constitution?
    Have you persuaded?
    Legal, not how! And these testimonies should not be accepted by the court as a frank or not very confession to the defendants in the commission of certain actions! But in reality, they will sew a case and then the lawyers will work their work ...
    They persuaded, well, a little like that, they did not give water and food in the pre-trial detention center, or rather, they changed the meal schedule ..., they were restricted in a single cell, with a bad "climate", they turned on the lighting at night and checks every hour, so you were "persuaded" for a week most of the young will "float" in our time ..., write and even take upon themselves the "murder of the president"!
  • Revival
    Revival 7 June 2021 12: 02
    -13%
    And the absence of testimony in the absence of evidence generally allows you to avoid punishment, which is even better.
    1. credo
      credo 7 June 2021 12: 10
      +4
      Quote: Revival
      And the absence of testimony in the absence of evidence generally allows you to avoid punishment, which is even better.

      In general, yes.
      If the investigation has no evidence, then oral testimony alone, at least in Russia and Belarus, will not go far.
      A suspect always has a reason and time, before sentencing, to declare that he has incriminated himself out of fear.
      1. Revival
        Revival 7 June 2021 12: 14
        -9
        It should be so, but recently there have been examples of what is possible without evidence and without testimony.

        And like this: "although of course he said the opposite, but on the whole we understand that something else was meant, well, that is, illegal."
        And voila
        1. credo
          credo 7 June 2021 12: 21
          +4
          Quote: Revival
          It should be so, but recently there have been examples of what is possible without evidence and without testimony.

          And like this: "although of course he said the opposite, but on the whole we understand that something else was meant, well, that is, illegal."
          And voila

          So you refer to examples, and do not smear unsubstantiated statements in the comments.
          Of course, there are unscrupulous individuals among law enforcement agencies who commit crimes during investigative measures, but this does not yet prove that similar actions were committed against Sapieha.
          1. Revival
            Revival 7 June 2021 12: 31
            -8
            I am not saying that the investigation committed illegal actions against the boots.

            It's just that the message of the article raises a logical question.
            1. credo
              credo 7 June 2021 12: 40
              +1
              Quote: Revival
              I am not saying that the investigation committed illegal actions against the boots.

              It's just that the message of the article raises a logical question.

              I think she has a lawyer - and if not, then there is still time to use his services - who will teach her an educational program on the articles of the Criminal Code and procedural actions.
          2. Revival
            Revival 7 June 2021 12: 41
            +3
            Please.
            Example with Platoshkin (Platoshkin's lawyer):
            "For example, he says that it is necessary to hold legal rallies, and the investigation says that it was he who specifically said that it was necessary to hold legal rallies, and under the guise of legal rallies, he was thinking about illegal ones at that moment."

            Well, how's the norm?

            I can look for the verdict itself, it seems to have been laid out somewhere
            1. your1970
              your1970 7 June 2021 15: 57
              +1
              Quote: Revival
              I can look for the verdict itself, it seems to have been laid out somewhere

              Site of the court - court proceedings - criminal cases - full name .. You can even print ...
              Only official a source of information about the court's decision for everyone ....

              Laid out
              Quote: Revival
              somewhere
              can contain anything
              1. Revival
                Revival 7 June 2021 16: 11
                -2
                I know that even without you, thanks.
                But essentially?
                1. your1970
                  your1970 7 June 2021 16: 19
                  +1
                  Quote: Revival
                  I know that even without you, thanks.
                  But essentially?

                  Well, if you know, then lay out the text of the solution, and not abstract words
                  1. Revival
                    Revival 7 June 2021 16: 29
                    -2
                    It is still "preparing for publication" since 19.05.2021/XNUMX/XNUMX.
                    It will probably take a long time to prepare
  • sabakina
    sabakina 7 June 2021 11: 40
    -5
    Quote: Revival

    So I imagine, out of kindness, I decided to tell everything

    Sergei, don't worry, there was no physical impact on the girl, there was a light show. wink Well, you went to the concert, for example, Kirkorov, you didn’t run after that to run to write a confession? laughing
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 7 June 2021 13: 14
      +1
      Let's remember Maria Butina, or Sapega is not that.
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 9 June 2021 04: 22
      +1
      there was no physical impact on the girl, there was a light show.
      Exactly the show is like here!?:
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  • maxim1987
    maxim1987 7 June 2021 11: 14
    +7
    comma after PLANT !!! stop babysitting these "revolutionaries"!
    1. Revival
      Revival 7 June 2021 11: 21
      -7
      It would be nice to have evidence in any case, not just "voluntary" confession
      1. credo
        credo 7 June 2021 12: 01
        +7
        Quote: Revival
        It would be nice to have evidence in any case, not just "voluntary" confession

        So you care about all the criminal cases in the world or only about the Sapieha case?
        Of course, evidence plays an important role in the prosecution of the suspect, but for some reason they were not particularly needed by the English Themis in the case of "poisoning", Litvinenko, Skripals or the Czech Themis in the case of explosions of military warehouses.
        The case will come to the trial of Protasevich and Sapieha, that's where the charges will be brought. Everything has its own term.
        1. Revival
          Revival 7 June 2021 12: 04
          -5
          Anything discussed like this, now about this, the content of the article seems to be pushing.

          And a hint of lawlessness in some other business does not allow in any way to create lawlessness in another
          1. credo
            credo 7 June 2021 12: 17
            +7
            Quote: Revival
            Anything discussed like this, now about this, the content of the article seems to be pushing.

            And a hint of lawlessness in some other business does not allow in any way to create lawlessness in another

            And where did you hear about the committed lawlessness in relation to the investigative actions of Sapieha?
            1. Revival
              Revival 7 June 2021 12: 27
              -8
              I have not heard anywhere, but the article contains a strange message, I did not want to speak, and then suddenly I started talking.
              There is only one legal option, the presentation of irrefutable evidence to the interrogated.
              But there is not a word about this in the article.

              So the question arises
          2. sniperino
            sniperino 7 June 2021 12: 18
            +1
            Quote: Revival
            does not allow to create chaos
            I mean, there is no evidence that she published personal data of the Belarusian security forces?
            1. Revival
              Revival 7 June 2021 12: 28
              -4
              Yes, not a word in the article, as if she suddenly told
  • v.tochenn
    v.tochenn 7 June 2021 11: 16
    +5
    Let her sit, did everything deliberately, must answer.
    1. Revival
      Revival 7 June 2021 11: 23
      -11%
      Like in that movie: "What is your evidence"?
      Well, except for the confessions "voluntary"
      1. v.tochenn
        v.tochenn 7 June 2021 11: 26
        +4
        And a frank confession (lightens punishment and lengthens the term) this is an admission of guilt, the rest will follow! bully
        1. Dante Alighieri
          Dante Alighieri 7 June 2021 12: 27
          -6
          A frank confession

          Is it sincere? You know, there is such a machine called the TA-57 - a universal military field telephone set with a dynamo. A wonderful way to get all kinds of frank confessions, they say, in this way you can even find Kennedy's killer, the main thing is to ask correctly ...
          1. Whiteidol
            Whiteidol 7 June 2021 12: 49
            +4
            Interrogation without torture that a needle without a thread ...)))
          2. sabakina
            sabakina 7 June 2021 13: 06
            +1
            Kirill, and how often was this TA-5 applied to you? I remember that in the Second World War the Germans did not recognize us as prisoners of war with all the ensuing consequences. But the British and other rabble "sign and get it." How will we judge?
            1. Dante Alighieri
              Dante Alighieri 7 June 2021 13: 21
              -5
              Kirill, and how often this TA-5 was applied to you

              Pip your tongue, thank God, never.
              I remember that in the Second World War the Germans did not recognize us as prisoners of war with all the ensuing consequences. But the British and other rabble "sign and get it." How will we judge?

              Do not quite understand what you are talking about?
          3. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 7 June 2021 14: 31
            +2
            How are you, dear, lagged behind life ... since the 90s, this device has definitely not been used
            1. Dante Alighieri
              Dante Alighieri 7 June 2021 16: 29
              -3
              since the 90s, this device has definitely not been used

              But I hope you can still find it in the storehouses? Or are they lying that the pantries of the Motherland are immeasurable?
              1. Andrey VOV
                Andrey VOV 7 June 2021 16: 41
                0
                There are other ways, but the device leaves traces
            2. Revival
              Revival 7 June 2021 23: 19
              -2
              In the early 2000s, it was still used
          4. Kisa
            Kisa 7 June 2021 20: 40
            0
            Quote: Dante
            Wonderful remedy for received

            It is high time to write an article and enlighten us on what successes we have achieved in recruitment torture ... from the latter, on their knees in the field, the Azov / militiamen practiced an eyeball with a spoon pulled out ... such memoirs ... as our ensign said teach materiel otherwise you will get into captive and die in agony ...
            If Musk climbs into a pig's brain and puts the chips, then the military is always ahead, be it Guantamo or the KGB. under Yezhov Beria, 100 years have passed when the encyclopedia on the head or standing in the closet was locked ...
      2. Torins
        Torins 7 June 2021 12: 59
        +1
        She is a public person, she has taken enough evidence for herself.
        1. Revival
          Revival 7 June 2021 13: 05
          -4
          For example, I have never heard of her before.
          And not a word in the article about that abundant evidence.
          So I would like to understand what they are
          1. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 7 June 2021 14: 33
            +2
            Do you know such a thing as the secrecy of the investigation? And why do you know all the materials of the case? Also, the case of Vasilyeva and the golden cops' toilet bowls practically collapsed, including because of the hype ... a high-quality investigation does not tolerate noise, haste and nervousness
            1. Revival
              Revival 7 June 2021 14: 42
              -2
              What does the mystery of the investigation mean if they mean that she was calling for something on the Internet to the whole world?
              1. Andrey VOV
                Andrey VOV 7 June 2021 14: 48
                +2
                "Undercover investigation means information related to preliminary investigation and not subject to disclosure. This is one of the types of official secrets, which is used only in a certain area of ​​activity - the area of ​​detecting and solving crimes." Quote. but in a simple way, for example, come to the investigator and tell me, let me have a look at Ivan Ivanov, it’s painfully interesting if there is evidence ... I hope you don’t need to write what answer you don’t need. And in some categories of cases, even lawyers give a signature about non-disclosure of investigation data and case materials
                1. Revival
                  Revival 7 June 2021 15: 34
                  -2
                  Thank you for this distracted lengthy explanation.
  • Revival
    Revival 7 June 2021 11: 16
    -8
    "Sapieha, given her recognition in the editing of the Black Book channel, has gotten a pretty serious set of articles from the Criminal Code."

    "The confession of the accused is the queen of evidence"

    I remember someone said so, said, and so believed that he himself confessed
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 7 June 2021 13: 10
      0
      Quote: Revival

      I remember someone said so, said, and so believed that he himself confessed
      Yeshua of Nazareth?
    2. Avior
      Avior 7 June 2021 14: 14
      -1
      Vyshinsky? "Recognition is the queen of proof"?
      no, it's a myth. on the contrary, he condemned this approach
      Such an organization of the investigation, in which the testimony of the accused turns out to be the main and, even worse, the only foundations of the entire investigation, can jeopardize the whole case if the accused changes his testimony or rejects it.

      Judging by the article, Vyshinsky is not listened to in Belarus. smile
      1. Revival
        Revival 7 June 2021 14: 37
        -1
        No, there, in theory, they just can take measures so that this case does not endanger the case
  • rocket757
    rocket757 7 June 2021 11: 23
    +6
    On the one hand, Sapieha needs to be held accountable together with Protasevich, but on the other hand, it is obvious that this may entail problems in relations with Russia, and now the Belarusian president does not need them at all
    ... Interesno, but what problems can there be? She is not at all dey and deliberately violated the laws of another country, and according to Russian laws, there is something to show her!
    It is high time for such LEARNERS, i.e. let him answer according to the law, and solve interstate issues in a working order.
    1. Revival
      Revival 7 June 2021 12: 01
      -8
      We are talking about evidence that "deliberately violated the laws", what are they?
      1. sniperino
        sniperino 7 June 2021 12: 23
        +2
        There will be a trial, then the evidence can be discussed. Otherwise, you are simply expressing a preconceived opinion when writing about self-incrimination.
        1. Revival
          Revival 7 June 2021 12: 44
          -3
          I have no preconceived notions, just the message in the article that she was silent, and then suddenly she spoke to herself.

          The question arises
        2. rocket757
          rocket757 7 June 2021 13: 18
          +1
          There will be a judgment and self-accusations can easily be everyday life ... but EVERYTHING will go to refusal!
          This means that the investigators, if not complete fools, will recruit, prepare thoroughly ...
          In short, we'll see.
        3. rocket757
          rocket757 7 June 2021 13: 30
          +2
          Everything is strictly according to the law, no one is substituted, will not ... it will not help, of course, Western and others have already decided everything for themselves and they wanted to spit on any laws except their own wishes.
          All the same, you need to teach a lesson, otherwise they are children and they are NOT children, they are playing ...
      2. ANB
        ANB 7 June 2021 15: 01
        0
        ... We are talking about evidence that "deliberately violated the laws", what are they?

        Show more. The investigation is still underway. According to the Code of Criminal Procedure of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus, the confession of the accused is not conclusive evidence.
        These are our bloodthirsty Criminal Procedural Code.
    2. Dante Alighieri
      Dante Alighieri 7 June 2021 12: 17
      0
      and according to Russian law, there is something to show her!

      There would be a person and there would be an article, right?
      I’m thinking, for my criticism of the post-Soviet regimes, can I already be called an honored agent of the State Department or not yet?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 7 June 2021 13: 23
        +2
        Have you seen my eulogies towards the current top ??? Find, show, let's laugh together!
        And he said / wrote enough already that you can bring me under the monastery !!! If you want and know how ... just nobody needs us, because there are a LOT of us!
        We are for the Motherland, for the State, for the People, but we do not associate this with the current upper ones ... alas and ah, this is our reality.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 7 June 2021 14: 04
          +2
          There is a saying, Victor, that
          .... the worst thing is to wait and catch up ....
          For the last 30 years, the Russian Federation has been doing just that. The USSR constantly comes to mind. Such devastation was overcome twice! Fascism was trampled on. They did not expect meanness from the nomenclature.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 7 June 2021 16: 31
            +1
            Let's not be sad about the past ... the future brings us a lot of sadness!
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 7 June 2021 16: 36
              +1
              This cannot be called sadness, I have lived too little under the USSR. And where else in the taiga. This is a comparison that cannot be avoided.
              There is such a party! (V, I, Lenin)

              EP zhahnula everyone! (Modern)
        2. Dante Alighieri
          Dante Alighieri 7 June 2021 14: 05
          +1
          And he said / wrote enough already that you can bring me under the monastery !!!

          This is not my first year at VO, I know and see. My message was rather rhetorical.
          only nobody needs us, because there are a LOT of us!

          And here I would not be so sure. Not that there are many of us - I already know that, but that we are not needed by anyone, let's put it this way, there are big doubts. I know very well the logic of decision-making in power to believe it.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 7 June 2021 16: 30
            0
            Nobody needs us, because we do not represent, by the top, a real threat !!! We scold / criticize and so what? They themselves know that they deserve it ... just like me, they are not inclined to extreme, rash decisions / actions, and most importantly, we cannot / are not able to unite into a real force that they will have to reckon with.
            Puff, puff and ... everything goes off into the whistle!
            1. Dante Alighieri
              Dante Alighieri 7 June 2021 17: 08
              0
              You know, Victor, I like to take an example from history, with the only amendment that you and I live in the postmodern era, when social transformations, which previously took centuries, take place literally over several decades. Actually, this was already noticeable in the USSR, which went from prosperity to stagnation in literally seven decades, while RI took three hundred annual cycles to do this. But it was still just modern. Now look at how our life has been changed by general informatization and digitalization. Even at the beginning of the XNUMXs, we could not even imagine this. And, apparently, this is just the beginning. But I digress.

              There are people in Russian history who have received undeservedly little attention, although their contribution to the events of the early 20th century is truly colossal. It was these people who predetermined the revolutionary course of development of our country, even though at first glance their activities suffered a complete fiasco. Nevertheless, it was these people who laid the seeds that, under the influence of the external environment, will flourish in a violent color in 1905 and 1917, allowing, albeit for a historically short period of time, to form a fundamentally new type of human community. The name of these people is populists.

              I really think that we are somewhat similar to them. Many of our online discussions are also just right to be titled with the slogan: "Your struggle is hopeless, your feat is inglorious, your name is discredited." But nevertheless, we still continue to come here. To blow off steam, to discuss ideas and express thoughts. We, like those enthusiasts of the 19th century, create an information field, by our own example we teach people to critically perceive reality, leaving them the right to draw their own conclusions. And you know, a person armed with such a rational scalpel will be even more dangerous than an atomic bomb. And the top knows about it (at least some of them). But good for now, they do not have enough resources to completely "cover" the shop. And it's not a fact that it will help. At least tightening the nuts has never helped anyone.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 7 June 2021 18: 43
                0
                Okay, many left a trace and even a trace in the history of Russia, BUT, the real business / movement began when the elect, some, began to feed / finance CAPITAL !!! Those. without the infusion of significant material resources, they and many others would sit, with their ideas and .... and nothing global happened!
                Just two, three ... ten intereses met in one place, a belt and the thing, then, started spinning.
    3. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 7 June 2021 13: 06
      +2
      hi hello, Victor! Yes, I wonder who ..... problems in relations with Russia ..... will create because of Sapieha from the Russian side? Well, there will be liberal cries, groans. So they always and so are .... Lukashenka they are violet .... After all, nowhere is it written that everything is not true. We were imprisoned on a similar charge in 2019.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 7 June 2021 13: 27
        +2
        Greetings Dmitry soldier
        There will be no problems, because according to the law, anyone, those who are already children, break the law here and there. This is obvious and will be proven, even without the confessionary testimony, which is pf-e, any lawyer will "reason" the defendants and they will refuse.
        We, our neighbors, have such times, according to the law, it is possible to prove and punish those fools who ..... in general, it is understandable.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 7 June 2021 13: 53
          +4
          The lawyer said that
          ..... Sapieha has a situational panic .....
          came late, finally. Someone else's life was not a value for her, ... but for their own they worry that she, that protasevich
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 7 June 2021 16: 24
            +3
            Therefore, it is necessary to punish by the LAW! That others would not be substituted for a stupid, for that uncle ... who does not care about them deeply.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 7 June 2021 16: 28
              +1
              We thought it was clear that it’s a game, that it’s good to orientate people here and there, to direct, to set some against others ... we watched.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 7 June 2021 16: 37
                +1
                And there are two sides. One who thinks and does her own little thing and the other who .... is not supposed to think.
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 7 June 2021 16: 48
                  0
                  A lot of people who didn't think happened. Just today an article about this by Roman Skomorokhov.
                  The network is buggy.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 7 June 2021 18: 25
                    +1
                    And there are always more people who do not think, this is an axiom, no proof is required.
                    It's just that now it's easier to lure them into a heap and push them to commit offenses, promising that they WILL NOT HAVE ANYTHING for this!
                    As long as you can valandatsya with them, you need to TEACH, instill responsibility, by any available means.
                    1. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 7 June 2021 19: 02
                      +1
                      Recently, one blogger recalled that those who were imprisoned in our place in 2012 have not all come out, and they did in 2019 too. Do the protesters know about this.
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 7 June 2021 19: 10
                        +1
                        Ha, ha, those cunning people who push different stupid people to .... different, do not like to tell about any "surprises" to their wards.
  • Engineer
    Engineer 7 June 2021 11: 24
    +4
    Reading the comments, I am convinced once again
    The smaller the hamster, the more bloodthirsty it is.
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 7 June 2021 11: 25
    +6
    What would they do with Sapieha in the United States in the same situation? ... would undoubtedly solder terrorism and solder at best 25 years in prison in Guantanam ... torture.
    1. Revival
      Revival 7 June 2021 12: 08
      -1
      And in Africa they would have eaten it at all, so why shouldn't everyone be ashamed?
    2. forty-eighth
      forty-eighth 7 June 2021 13: 17
      +2
      In Guantanamo, they are sitting BEFORE the charges are brought and any legal proceedings begin.
      1. Avior
        Avior 7 June 2021 14: 16
        -2
        In Guantanamo, there are still those who do not want to return to their homeland :))
        1. forty-eighth
          forty-eighth 7 June 2021 14: 38
          +1
          Well, I wrote in the context of procedural violations.
          Habeas Corpus is the most important institution of Anglo-Saxon law. We also have it, in the sense that no one can be detained for more than 3 hours (2 days for violations of the state border) without a court order.
          So, the whole point of Guantanamo is that Americans throw people in a cage and do nothing for years after that. No accusation, no investigation, no trial - nothing. People just sit. Probably most deserve it, I did not particularly find out, but I am still worried about the fact of such lawlessness. I believe that no matter how scoundrel he is caught, Themis mechanism must grind it according to its own rules, called criminal procedure legislation.
          And I do not understand how the stone-faced luminaries of democracy allow violations of the Habeas Corpus Act.
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 8 June 2021 20: 34
            0
            Quote: forty-eighth
            I believe that no matter how scoundrel he is caught, Themis mechanism must grind it according to its own rules, called criminal procedural legislation
            The United States, having become a hegemon, does not obey Themis, she must be submissive to him. When our proletariat hegemonized after the revolution, this lady also suffered a lot of outrages. Any crime is justified by the interests of the hegemon. And the Habeas corpus is on the side, just in case.
  • BAI
    BAI 7 June 2021 11: 33
    +2
    Since Sofia is still a citizen of the Russian Federation, Moscow was forced to react to her detention. Lukashenka found himself in a difficult situation.

    There is no difficult situation. Simple practice. If a citizen of a foreign state has committed a crime on the territory of another state, he is subject to trial and punishment on the territory of that state, but where he will serve his sentence is another matter. Here options are possible by agreement.
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 7 June 2021 11: 51
    +1
    The agent of the Western special services needs to be imprisoned for about 12 years. She has crippled a lot of destinies and lives. And then all the terrorists and agents think "abroad will help us"
    1. Dante Alighieri
      Dante Alighieri 7 June 2021 12: 12
      -4
      She mutilated a lot of destinies and lives

      Are you talking about Lukashenka now? Like at his age it is already harmful to sleep in a bulletproof vest and run with a gun? So I belittle you Belarusians are not the people to get dirty about him. If it were not so, everything would have ended in a completely different way. And so his quirks are purely a consequence of his own personal persecution mania.
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 7 June 2021 12: 23
        -1
        How many people died as a result of the riots? How many were injured and injured? How many people got real sentences? How many students were expelled? What problems will these students have when applying for a job with such a background? Count it up, then let's continue the conversation ...
        1. Dante Alighieri
          Dante Alighieri 7 June 2021 12: 42
          -4
          How many people died as a result of the riots?

          Firstly, there were no mass riots, there were demonstrations. Do not substitute concepts. Belarusians are not the kind of people to shit in their homes, but they will not let them belittle their rights. This time. Secondly, during the entire time of the rallies, 3 people died, if their memory does not change (the official Minsk did not name the exact figure), who are largely to blame for what happened.
          How many people got real sentences? How many students were expelled? What problems will these students have when applying for such a background?

          And who hesitates to ask creates such a reputation for these people? Isn't Comrade Lukashenko himself? And the question is why? If, according to your version, they were all completely incapacitated and easily controlled, by various kinds of Protasevichs? Should we then blame them for something? And another question: how, then, could all these people go to elections, study and work, and generally engage in any kind of activity?
          1. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 7 June 2021 12: 56
            +1
            There is no need to la-la about manifestations ...
            It is specified that on the night of August 10-11, law enforcement officers recorded facts of open confrontation with law enforcement agencies, numerous attacks on police officers and damage to vehicles. “Trash containers, benches, sticks, cobblestones, pieces of paving slabs, glass bottles, flammable liquids, Molotov cocktails, and car raids on police officers were used as instruments of crime.
            -------
            Killed: 4 to 7
            Missing: at least 6 people
            Expelled from the university 300
            Injured: more than 200 people, incl. children and adolescents
            Detained: more than 35 thousand (as of June 2021) Criminal convicted: at least 101 people (including at least 48 people to imprisonment)
            Law enforcement officers injured 121 people.
            In total, more than 600 people.
            1. Dante Alighieri
              Dante Alighieri 7 June 2021 13: 15
              -5
              So now let's separate the flies from the cutlets. I understand it is difficult to overcome mass propaganda, but try to make an effort on yourself. The demonstrations took place mainly in the afternoon and late in the evening and tens of thousands of people took part in them, but what you are describing was the activities of a couple of hundred clowns, who were stopped by the police. And I deservedly tell you. But the point is that today in Belarus the same sanctions are applied to those who really broke the law and to those who went out with the rest to peacefully defend their rights. But this is already unacceptable.

              Understand, I am not for white or red, I am for the peaceful resolution of contradictions. Even here on VO I published an article describing what needs to be done so that the authorities and society can re-start a normal trusting dialogue and even more - find catharsis. But instead, Lukashenka is following the most unfortunate and destructive scenario, when in the future there will be no alternatives either for him or for those around him. Apparently for so many years of being in power, Grigorievich simply forgot one simple truth: a person can spit on a team, but if the team spits on a person, he will choke.

              Unfortunately, now he is again doing everything to offend ordinary Belarusians. And it's not about Protosavich or his girl, it's about the consequences that this "witch hunt" has for the entire Belarusian community.

              He has already achieved one thing - planes do not fly over Minsk anymore, what's next?
              1. Tank jacket
                Tank jacket 7 June 2021 13: 21
                +2
                Are Protasevich and Sapega agents of Western intelligence services?
                As a result of their terrorist activities, have people suffered?
                Material damage caused?
                Flies and burgers separately now? wassat
                1. Dante Alighieri
                  Dante Alighieri 7 June 2021 13: 33
                  -4
                  Are Protasevich and Sapega agents of Western intelligence services?

                  Even if they are, it may well turn out that the sanctions from the West will turn out to be more expensive than the "cost" of the stay of two would-be oppositionists at large. The transit of finance from Russia, of course, to some extent compensates for these "costs", but not completely. And if the economic situation in the world continues to deteriorate, these funds will run out very quickly. And then what?

                  Is it not very expensive for ordinary Belarusians to take revenge on their permanent leader? And the fact that the point is that the Old Man was insulted, and that it’s not all that people suffered, I’m more than 100% sure.
                  1. Tank jacket
                    Tank jacket 7 June 2021 13: 38
                    +2
                    Everything is clear with you...
                    Katz offers to surrender. (C)
                    Well, this is also a position. The position of a coward and a traitor.
                    Leningrad also had to be surrendered to the Nazis? (They say blockade-famine, many victims).
                    1. Dante Alighieri
                      Dante Alighieri 7 June 2021 13: 58
                      -3
                      Katz offers to give up

                      Note - these are your words, not mine.

                      Well, this is also a position. The position of a coward and a traitor.
                      Leningrad also had to be surrendered to the Nazis? (They say blockade-famine, many victims).


                      Over the years of communication with the local public, I have developed a strong immunity to many things: to ridicule, insults and other joys of the Network, here you can hardly surprise me with something. But what I still do not accept is the immeasurable human stupidity. Exactly what you demonstrate with such comparisons. I will not say anything like that you insult living and fallen veterans who fought not so that a handful of oligarchs who had seized power could preserve their power and position.

                      Don't you yourself understand how ridiculous it is to use such articulation?
                    2. g_ae
                      g_ae 7 June 2021 14: 13
                      +3
                      I am a citizen of Belarus, and having a number of complaints and questions about Lukashenka's activities, I fully support him in his fight against BCHB-devilry, and I am proud of the activities of our law enforcement agencies. If this frostbitten, incredible pack came to power, we would have a second Ukraine. Chur-chur. No wonder our zmagars are prancing in Kiev on the march of the SS Galicia, and in Riga with their legionnaires. Then you can not listen to them and sneeze on their crocodiles tears for the "innocent victims." No wonder, when the whole Republic remembered the victims of Khatyn, Shvetka met with a certain Goncharenko, who was directly involved in the burning of people in the House of Trade Unions in Odessa. By the way, such chorus girls like Sophie cheerfully poured gasoline into bottles in the same place. Therefore, BCHB and Nazism are twin brothers. Our Old Man is humane and gentle. A certain Tikhanovsky asked harder. We must respect. Reconciliation will no longer be and cannot be in any case.
                      1. Dante Alighieri
                        Dante Alighieri 7 June 2021 14: 30
                        0
                        I fully support him in his fight against BCHB-devilry, and I am proud of the activities of our law enforcement agencies

                        But you must agree now that Lukashenka is frankly talking about how it will end for the country, God only knows.

                        Lukashenka's logic in general has recently defied rational explanation: he has already won, he has shown that he will not leave, and the people did not have enough critical mass to overcome this message. The situation has stabilized. Now we need steps aimed at consolidating society, and not at further confrontation with it. But no, we will continue to fall into childhood, rattle weapons, call a woman left without a man, the main terrorist, receive sanctions for the nips we fed ourselves and in general everything their behavior to demonstrate that we are here without the people ourselves with a mustache. I have only one explanation for all this: if Grigorievich wants a real Maidan at such a pace by the next elections, he will really get it. Regrettable as it may be for the people of Belarus.

                        No wonder our zmagars are prancing in Kiev on the march of the SS Galicia, and in Riga with their legionnaires.

                        And then they calmly return home, while those who howl for the LDNR militia are immediately imprisoned under the article mercenary. Double standarts? No, you haven't.
                      2. g_ae
                        g_ae 7 June 2021 14: 42
                        +2
                        It’s from someone, but it’s ridiculous to hear complaints from bchb-schnicks about double standards. Typical "and we are for sho". And for that. This is a hybrid war and here who is who in any way. And then, even if they return, they do not cease to be scum and Natsik. Protasevich's example is obvious. And no, the real fight is just beginning, since it was not the rabble that had been mobilized by the fall of last year that entered the game, but the real players. And all these Lkhushki, Svetki, Tsepkalo are cannon fodder, which they will merge without thinking about how they merged Babarik, Kolesnikov, the same Protasevich.
                      3. Dante Alighieri
                        Dante Alighieri 7 June 2021 15: 34
                        0
                        complaints from bchb-shnikov

                        This is a complaint from me specifically.
                        It means that Grigorvich is the first to take Russian money, but how to support the Russians of Donbass, so immediately into the bushes. And it would be okay to get rid of himself, but why should those in whom the conscience is still alive, who have not yet forgotten what our partnership means, to be judged as criminals? And this while the nationalists fed by him ply from Kiev to Minsk and back. This alone speaks more than eloquently about Lukashenka as a person. And yet, despite such baseness, it still remains the best option for relations between the two countries, I do not deny this.
                        By the way, when I said that Lukashenka's motives defy analysis, I cheated a little: I have an explanation that is more rational than bonal revenge, but no less cynical for that.
                        Her name is Money.
                        When Lukashenko realized that Western investments after the events of 2020 were completely closed for him, the question arose of how to close the holes in the budget. More precisely, how to ensure continuous financial support from Russia. It was after this that Lukashenka was finally established in the role of an uncompromising struggle against the opposition. The thing is that one well-known politician from Leningrad is very fond of those regimes that have demonstrated their determination to fight everyone who infringes on their right to sit in a chair until they are carried forward with their feet. He is so pleased that he is ready to invest billions of dollars in such regimes (Tajikistan, Turkey and Kyrgyzstan will not allow lying). This is where Protosevich came in handy, and there is not even a smell of hybrid war here. Just a business
                      4. g_ae
                        g_ae 7 June 2021 15: 53
                        +2
                        A lot of bukaf nothing. What is this stream of consciousness? Re-read the article again and do not fool people. It is possible and necessary to criticize Lukashenka for his past affairs, he is not a gold piece to everyone's liking, but here and now he acts as he does, and I support him. It is necessary to crush the BCHB-plague. What will come of this - we'll see. Yes, there are and will be mistakes. Well Duc, a la ger com a la ger.
                  2. g_ae
                    g_ae 7 June 2021 15: 01
                    -2
                    By the way, I especially smiled about a woman without a man. She now has enough men. She should pray for Lukashenka, who planted Siroga. He chased her like a sidorov goat, and how she got rid of her half-goblin-half-eurk, she blossomed. And my personal life improved, it became regular, thanks to Franek. Almost the mistress of the sea. A woman without a man. Ha!
                    By the way anecdote
                    - Franek, look what kind of garbage came to the soap. 10 test.
                    - This is not a 10-test, Sveta, this is an IQ test.
                    - Wow! And I have to go through it?
                    - Nevermind.
                  3. Dante Alighieri
                    Dante Alighieri 7 June 2021 16: 34
                    +1
                    I don’t have the habit of digging in dirty linen and I don’t advise you, in order to avoid the consequences of a skin-venereal nature.
                  4. g_ae
                    g_ae 7 June 2021 16: 44
                    -1
                    Oh no! Firstly, it doesn't work for politicians (I remember there was a scandal with the former director of the IMF). Secondly, very good advice for Franek Vecherko about the consequences, the main thing is actual. Third, there are no rules in information warfare. Unfortunately.
            2. Kisa
              Kisa 7 June 2021 17: 45
              0
              Quote: g_ae
              I am a citizen of Belarus

              Well, at least one Belarusian how do you associate yourself? How is this point of view presentable in your social circle? (Are you military?)
              I'll ask you straight ahead - the choice is not great now - or Vova will squeeze yours and by the fall everyone here hopes and waits for VO and Belarus will lose its sovereignty and there will be a big friendly country ..... or the economy will be flattened in the near future, but you can try to bargain for the remnants of independence ... or what?
              are there still Belarusians? we do not hesitate to approach
            3. g_ae
              g_ae 7 June 2021 18: 37
              0
              I answer just as it is. It will be either, or, or how. We will live until autumn, and then we will see. I'm not Wang. I could say what I personally would like, but I do not want because it is pointless. Wait and see. None of the "ichsperd" will say more precisely. I can say that I definitely do not want this bchb-pack.
              Sovereignty? And no one now has full sovereignty. Even in Russia, no matter what anyone thinks. Not yet, I hope.
            4. Kisa
              Kisa 7 June 2021 18: 47
              0
              Quote: g_ae
              because it's pointless

              vooot ... I have a lot of manuals on both sides, but there is not enough opinion of the Belarusians themselves to make a mosaic ... let’s quietly tell me here below so that no one sees and do not be afraid of the minuses, this is good for karma)) the primary source of communication, but the Belarusians disappeared from here
            5. g_ae
              g_ae 7 June 2021 19: 10
              0
              For God's sake, ask. But I can only state my personal opinion and position, which neither you nor many of my citizens may like. And I do not pretend to be true in advance. For all the people, as our incredible zmagars, I will not undertake.
            6. Kisa
              Kisa 7 June 2021 19: 27
              0
              yes of course it is your vision. on the growing propo channels, both sides are agitating for the Russian world, NATO tanks in Brest ... but a little aside as it comes to a substantive conversation, we will not give Belkali to cellists and will keep 70% of the social economy with the state. and our hucksters will be pozhesche. Belarusian society is it so passionate? or so intimidated? Yesterday it was such a European country, but today it was so tough ... are they observers?
            7. g_ae
              g_ae 7 June 2021 19: 39
              0
              Even if you are somehow a little chaotic. Better on one question and more specific, otherwise I somehow get lost.
            8. Kisa
              Kisa 7 June 2021 20: 11
              +1
              let me ask you so
              in the hot season came out 100-200 thousand - is it all paid for? out of the blue
              and if you are a fan of the current government, did you go to agitate for him? why so little came out
              and as I understand you are not a big fan of national identity, and I am very interested in your reasoning for the future of Belarus ...
            9. g_ae
              g_ae 7 June 2021 21: 48
              +2
              On the first question. Of course not. But modern information technologies and methods of psychological influence make it possible to reprogram the consciousness of a large number of people. Plus, it was served under the sauce of election campaigning, plus the Republic was isolated from all sides due to the coronavirus. Plus massive pressure from outside the republic. Including from Russia. Yes Yes. The correspondent of the same rain almost drove a column through the streets of Minsk, and the same command post in Belarus could argue for the yellowness and rabidness of the main pond-wash tutbay. Plus, Lukashenka's own mistakes and underestimation of the situation, plus not without betrayal in his entourage. As a result, people really went crazy. I have never seen such frenzy, such hatred even on the eve of the elections. People were really brought in. Plus teams of fighters really worked. Watch the reports of Konstantin Predybailo about the events of August 9-10. Watch a series of films by Ksenia Lebedeva about the events when the pogroms began even before the closure of polling stations. And how many security officials suffered. And for the psychological impact, I advise you to watch the videos of Angelica Averkova. On the infospetsnaz channel, she leads the "Goodbye Tutbay" cycle. This is where they figure out how the Belarusians are shitting in the mind. You can watch the first issue, you will not regret it. And finally.


              This is if it is short.
              In general, everything is in the net and on YouTube, if you wish, you can find it. For now, I'll continue tomorrow, if you're interested.
            10. Kisa
              Kisa 7 June 2021 22: 33
              0
              I looked at the first from above ... such myself - who wants to believe in what - have you read the comments to those videos?
              Yes, I saw our zugnalyug beat up with inspiration for any coverage of events are still sitting in the zugundere.
              Bolkunets or something to call him, I’m watching him yesterday with Skabeeva in Ostankino at 60 minutes, and today I don’t go beyond Warsaw ... and I don’t remember the name of the Minister of Culture
              do you have a forum like VO format?
            11. g_ae
              g_ae 7 June 2021 22: 50
              +2
              So why are you asking me if you don't like what I'm saying? Read these comments and take them for truth. And what about the comments. You should have seen what vile comments the zmagars wrote after the death of two pilots in Baranovichi. And they sacrificed their lives and dropped their Yak-130 on a patch of green zone in a residential area. The Ministry of Internal Affairs is now identifying these commentators and drawing criminal cases against them. So much for the comments. And what about the journalists. There were so many coordinators and organizers in the "press" vests that of course they could throw in those who were not involved. What do you think? But you learned from our experience and made conclusions and easily crushed the Navalnyat movement.
            12. Kisa
              Kisa 7 June 2021 23: 25
              0
              Alexander, do you have any open forums with a Belarusian residence permit where people are discussing the vital?
              saw a week ago your breadwinner banned polls from publishing ratings
            13. g_ae
              g_ae 8 June 2021 00: 12
              0
              And you can do without this arrogant "komilets". The year before last, I bothered to watch V.V. Putin's New Year address on YouTube. And below it are comments. And a large number of them, if not most, were, to put it mildly, very hard-hitting. Now I am talking about Putin in the same way, if you believe the commentary like that? And under his address to the Federal Assembly, people also frolicked. So what? By the way, does your "komilets" allow all and all polls to be conducted and published? Not interested?
              By the way, the trouble is that the people have broken up into the resources they are interested in and there is practically no dialogue. And there won't be any near future. Subscribe to carts of different directions, watch YouTube channels. Well, it seems Yuri Voskresensky is trying to organize a dialogue platform, but so far not very much.
            14. Kisa
              Kisa 8 June 2021 00: 31
              0
              oh. sorry if offended. You don’t read my previous comments as I began to call him after 3 nights of this bestial terror. I hadn’t heard about Akrestino Karaev before ...
              Yes, that was my question - can people frolic like that in Belarus?
              Vova is well rinsed here on VO. on the nuts, then wow, he flew in after the pensions and resetting ...
              where do people now communicate besides the insta cart? Here is the third time I ask - are public forums open?
            15. g_ae
              g_ae 8 June 2021 00: 52
              0
              Maybe, of course. Only not the people, but the rabble. That was why terror was, by the way, to bring the cattle to life. And Karaev is a fine fellow, he calmed down all this incredible rabble. Karaev is a Russian, by the way. Rock is a peasant, and a real officer. And Akrestsin Street is like a boarding house for especially frolics. By the way, it is paid and not very cheap, but you have to pay for the pleasure of swaying the rajim. Until now, people pay for those days. They identify, calculate and reward with deeds, fines, terms. How do you want? Well I say that there are no such forums. What should I talk about with stoned incredible zmagars? And I am a marginal yabat for them. And we have nothing to talk about. What a resident of Donbass can talk about with a Bandera man. I'm not a Bandera, by the way. Something like this.
            16. Kisa
              Kisa 8 June 2021 01: 33
              0
              Alexander, we agreed at the beginning that you are from Belarus. I was completely confused.
              Well, okay, me in the cattle zmagaram (some kind of new insult to me)) wrote down. Well, we somehow communicate here. we must somehow finish this holivar
            17. g_ae
              g_ae 8 June 2021 07: 27
              0
              I apologize if you took it personally, but you mentioned the "bestial terror". I explained to you what kind of terror it was. Terror, by the way, is what this lovely young lady was up to. Let me remind you that a certain Sinitsa was given a long term just for a hint of threats towards the security forces. And ignorance of the term "zmagar" indicates how far you are from the Belarusian theme. This is a kind of analogue of the word "Banderite" with Belarusian specifics. And this holivar, as you put it, is for a long time, if not forever. It generally lasted for centuries and will continue as long as there are interests of different countries.
            18. g_ae
              g_ae 8 June 2021 08: 27
              0
              By the way, by "zmagars" I meant my antipodes in Belarus, not you.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 7 June 2021 19: 36
    0
    Quote: g_ae
    Sovereignty? And no one now has full sovereignty. Even in Russia, no matter what anyone thinks. Not yet, I hope.

    And I think that Russia just has full sovereignty, unlike other countries in the world.
    And it consists in the fact that we can destroy any state in the world, but to attack us, even the Americans have little guts, not to mention others.
    What kind of sovereignty you personally dream of, I do not know, but I think that you yourself have no idea what it is.
  • g_ae
    g_ae 7 June 2021 21: 29
    -1
    I hate to offend you, but the last sentence, if you think about it, is true for you too. If without leavened patriotism.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 8 June 2021 12: 00
    0
    Quote: g_ae
    I hate to offend you, but the last sentence, if you think about it, is true for you too.

    Those. you have evaded a direct answer to the question of what is the essence of your "sovereignty" - which proves what I expected.
    Quote: g_ae
    If without leavened patriotism.

    I do not know what you mean by these words, but I have always considered myself a patriot of my Motherland, and I am not interested in epithets. Next time you can use the word "terry" when there is nothing to answer in essence ...
  • Dante Alighieri
    Dante Alighieri 7 June 2021 13: 38
    -2
    Law enforcement officers injured 121 people.

    Also victims?
    In fact, they are paid money for this risk. And here's all of this:
    Injured: more than 200 people, incl. children and adolescents
    Detained: more than 35 thousand (as of June 2021) Criminal convicted: at least 101 people (including at least 48 people to imprisonment)

    The work of the hands of just law enforcement officers. But here, as I said above, I don't blame them.
    1. Hexagon
      Hexagon 7 June 2021 14: 05
      +3
      Ok, let's take the Fairy Land of the High Elves, the standard of freedom and "human rights", just open their laws and see what shines simply for "not fulfilling the requirements of the police during execution", and if you also add "an attack on a policeman during execution" ... Yes and five years ago, it seems, a law was passed on responsibility for "exerting psychological pressure on a policeman", which included such an action as "a long gaze at a policeman on duty."
  • rusich
    rusich 7 June 2021 11: 54
    +3
    Why do we need such citizens. Put her like that for 15 years
    1. A_Mazkov
      A_Mazkov 7 June 2021 12: 16
      -6
      Yes, divide the entire population of the Russian Federation and Belarus in half, let it be like on a tram: some are sitting, others are shaking.
      And two sun-faced and uncommented: Luke and VVP!
      Well, like in North Korea. We are not far from her :)
  • svoit
    svoit 7 June 2021 12: 30
    0
    I don’t understand something, but isn’t there an agreement between Russia and Belarus on the mutual extradition of suspects in crimes? What is the difficulty for Lukashenka?
    1. Hexagon
      Hexagon 7 June 2021 14: 07
      +2
      It is not Lukashenka who has difficulties, but the Liver, who shouts "what will the West say about us !!!!?! KSHMARRR !!!!" :)
    2. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 7 June 2021 14: 39
      0
      Do not confuse .... an extradition agreement about another, if, for example, a person committed a crime in the Russian Federation, and it became known that he fled to Belarus, then at the request of the local authorities detain him, receive the necessary documents and adyu home and to Mordovia, too with Belarusian swindlers, who will be caught from us at their request, and Sapieha she committed a crime there, against Belarus there and she will be tried
  • Dimy4
    Dimy4 7 June 2021 12: 41
    +1
    Russian liberals

    It's time to call a spade a spade, these are traitors to their country, ready to sell it for mere pennies, if only the Western owner would honor them with his favorable look.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 7 June 2021 12: 47
    +4
    Sopiega committed a crime in the host country, what other questions could there be for Putin? Somehow everything is far-fetched
  • Dimy4
    Dimy4 7 June 2021 13: 29
    +1
    support for Lukashenka's actions in relation to Sapieha and Protasevich will not have the best effect on the already problematic image of the Russian Federation in the eyes of the West.

    Aapchi ... oh, I think I sneezed, blini, what will they think of me in the West. belay ... Ugh!
  • Avior
    Avior 7 June 2021 14: 02
    -1
    Here is what is interesting - why is the investigation in the case of the false mining of an aircraft silent?
    According to Belarusian laws, this is a very serious crime - up to 7 years in prison.
    After irrefutable evidence of the guilt of the Belarusian state bodies in this crime appeared, which was confirmed by the fact that the dispatchers informed the crew about the bomb, and even with details that the letter arrived at different airports, long before the letter actually arrived in Minsk, the question arises, what about the investigation of this crime?
    Have the dispatchers been questioned, how did they learn about the letter "to different airports"? Was Alexander Grigorievich interrogated - who told him that the letters arrived at the same time, including to Athens, where it actually did not come?
    In general, where is the investigation of a criminal offense under Belarusian laws? How many people have already been detained in this case?
    Some questions, but there are no answers about the investigation of the crime ...
    1. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 7 June 2021 14: 39
      0
      The secret of the investigation dear, that's all
      1. Avior
        Avior 7 June 2021 15: 01
        0
        and where is the consequence?
        they show those captured on the plane on TV, and where are the detainees in the case of a false terrorist attack?
        1. Andrey VOV
          Andrey VOV 7 June 2021 15: 38
          +1
          So it is necessary to establish the person who committed the crime, then detain him and carry out the necessary investigative actions and choose a preventive measure or release him ... that's all
          1. Avior
            Avior 7 June 2021 16: 04
            -3
            those captured on the plane are shown with might and main, and investigative actions are being conducted, but not a word about this case.
    2. g_ae
      g_ae 7 June 2021 22: 20
      -1
      And pride does not allow digging into the Internet? The fact that you do not see at close range does not mean that there is nothing. Curiosity at least on the YouTube channel ont. And if you don’t need it, then there is nothing to be perplexed about.
      1. Avior
        Avior 7 June 2021 22: 52
        +2
        Curiosity at least on the YouTube channel ont.

        never look at this murzilka, this is for hanging noodles on your ears.
        In the video, the key moment was bypassed - when exactly the letter with the threat of the bomb came to Minsk.
        And since it has long been reliably known and confirmed by the postal service provider that the letter arrived almost half an hour after the dispatcher informed the crew about it at 12-32, the letter arrived in Minsk only at 12-57, it came to Vilnius at 12-25, not to Minsk.
        At 12-34, another gross puncture of the Belarusian special services - the dispatcher states that the letter arrived at several airports - although in fact it has arrived only at one, in Vilnius, in Minsk, it has not arrived, and to know that the letter will come to several airports can only be known by the person who sent this letter.
        The situation with the source of information about the bomb is so obvious that this is a case for a student-trainee, but it does not go anywhere.
        Then there is the usual pile of noodles on the ears of gullible simpletons, there is nothing to watch.
        A simple question arises: where are the results of the investigation by the official bodies of Belarus? The case of false mining has been initiated, the article is serious, it is a criminal offense with grave consequences - where is the official investigation? Where is the detention of the perpetrators?
        As a result of this false mining, Belarus received very serious consequences, primarily economic in the form of huge multimillion-dollar losses - and where are the detainees, interrogated and, in general, where is the investigation of the case?
        by the way, about your source - ONT
        The press service of the Minsk airport asserted that "the pilots informed about the mining," and the Belarusian ONT TV channel specified who did it: "The crew commander informed Minsk about the mining of the aircraft at 12.50."

        On May 24, the Ministry of Transport of Belarus admitted at a press conference that the dispatchers of this very airport had informed about the mining.

        hike, this source of yours lies as it breathes.
        hi
        1. g_ae
          g_ae 7 June 2021 23: 01
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          All clear. Do you need it?
          1. Avior
            Avior 7 June 2021 23: 24
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            More than. I am not delighted that somewhere at the state level they can hijack an airplane under the pretext of false mining. This concerns me, of course, I do not want to be on such an airplane.
            1. g_ae
              g_ae 8 June 2021 00: 19
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              Bicycle. And then you will definitely not find yourself on the plane. What if the Americans will catch Snowden again?
              1. Avior
                Avior 8 June 2021 03: 45
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                Let's start by covering up government-level hijacking of aircraft with false mines.
                1. g_ae
                  g_ae 8 June 2021 07: 04
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                  Let's start with the fact that the investigation of the incident and the announcement of the conclusions should be dealt with by the relevant authorities, and not by the couch "analysts and ehksperd". In this case, it is ICAO. And now we will continue by the fact that officially Minsk immediately announced its interest in the international investigation and its readiness to submit any documents to the investigation. And now let's continue with the fact that until now no one of their international structures has stuttered about conducting a competent investigation and verification. But promptly and without any investigation, a ban on flights over Belarus was introduced and sanctions were imposed on Belavia. What does Belavia have to do with the incident? None. This is for a start.
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 8 June 2021 07: 32
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                    And now let's continue with the fact that officially Minsk immediately announced its interest in the international investigation.

                    And let's start with what I wrote in the very first post of the branch - my own investigation of the criminal case initiated in Belarus itself is not being conducted and there is no manifestation of desire to conduct it and is not observed, although a serious criminal offense has undoubtedly been committed under Belarusian laws. What kind of participation in an international investigation can we talk about, if there is not even an internal one. But it should have been, and the case was initiated.
                    And then we will continue with what I have written - these are the most obvious conclusions about the perpetrators of false mining of the aircraft, which were clear to everyone from the very beginning of the investigation due to gross failures in this false mining.
                    And Belavia is directly related to the incident, as it is controlled by the same person who, according to irrefutable evidence, is responsible for false mining.
                    The investigation that you are writing about, it has already been carried out, and the conclusions have been made, I voiced them in the post above.
                    1. g_ae
                      g_ae 8 June 2021 07: 43
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                      Well, why do you need an investigation if you have already conducted your own, passed a sentence and are ready to execute? Just throw beads before ...
                      1. Avior
                        Avior 8 June 2021 07: 54
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                        Don't you need an investigation of a serious criminal offense committed in Belarus?
                        Why? Are you not a citizen of Belarus or do you think that serious criminal offenses require punishment?
                        Especially in the presence of irrefutable evidence against the perpetrators of the crime.
                        Are you an opponent of the fight against criminal offenses in Belarus?
                      2. g_ae
                        g_ae 8 June 2021 08: 23
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                        And why did you decide that there is no criminal case. Contact the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Belarus if you feel like it. There are electronic appeals on the site, they will be obliged to give you an answer. Try it. I have no reason not to trust our law enforcement officers. And then, I don’t remember the results of the criminal case, when Ukraine landed a Belarusian plane and took it off the board of the Anti-Maidan activist. I do not remember the criminal case when the plane of the President of Bolivia was landed. Yes, the other day in Berlin they landed a plane of the same company. And nothing. Nobody is hysterical, no one imposes sanctions. But it seems to me that you are Belarusian. And their sects are incredible. Then there's nothing to talk about with you at all. Sectarians are not convinced, they are treated for a long time and not always successfully.
                      3. Avior
                        Avior 8 June 2021 08: 31
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                        And why did you decide that there is no criminal case.

                        I am sure that it is, its initiation was announced publicly. but not a word about his investigation.
                        Although in other cases related to this we see a frenzied media activity - the suspects are being played on all channels, the interrogations are almost on the air.
                        And in a criminal case that had grave consequences, which destroyed an entire sector of the economy of Belarus, false mining - silence, not a word.
                        they will have to give you an answer

                        Why do I need their answer? the results of the investigation are needed, not the answer.
                        And then, I don’t remember the results of the criminal case, when ...

                        In the cases you listed, there was no criminal offense, with the exception of the case with Berlin, but there is no direct evidence of the participation of state bodies in false mining. If you have them, tell us.
                        But it seems to me that you are Belarusian.

                        I was in Belarus only twice in my life, a few years ago, by accident.
                        Sectarians are not convinced, they are treated for a long time and not always successfully.

                        sectarians do not communicate with facts, they are on the part of beliefs. I gave you the facts, and you answer me - your beliefs
                        I have no reason not to trust our law enforcement officers.

                        and not a word wrote about the essence of the facts given by me.
                      4. g_ae
                        g_ae 8 June 2021 09: 05
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                        I am not an investigator to share inside information with you. And so everything that is possible is laid out by the official bodies of the Republic of Belarus for open access. Please contact the competent authorities for more information. Is it different in Russia? But that doesn't suit you. And to prove that it is not a camel like you is pointless.
                        But as a Russian, I'm ashamed to ask, are you not afraid that your plane might be shot down by a Buk, for example? The whole world knows that the Russians are doing this, they are shooting down peaceful planes. Did the investigation allow the Russians? And you were able to prove the opposite? But were the Russians allowed to the investigation of the Skripals? Have you familiarized yourself with the materials of the investigation? Aren't you afraid to grab the doorknobs? The whole world knows that Russians and newbies walk together. Were you allowed to investigate Navalny's poisoning? Have you explained all the facts? Aren't you afraid to drink some water from bottles now? What about the aerial bombardment of hospitals in Syria? White helmets testified, and they won't lie, nobel laureates go. See how many more wonderful discoveries are in store for you. Why don't you take the pose of an indifferent citizen and do not demand there, or do you agree with everything? Well, you can't even demand something from us. Ah, there are civilized countries, and here is a dictatorship. This is different. It was sarcasm, if that. Everything's clear with you. Until.
                      5. Avior
                        Avior 8 June 2021 09: 21
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                        you are not afraid that your plane may be shot down from the "Buk"

                        I see that the investigation was underway, now the trial is underway
                        i see activity
                        all that is possible is posted by the official bodies of the Republic of Belarus for open access

                        I do not see any activity on a high-profile case of great public importance.
                        On other matters I see. For example, I saw it from the explosion in the subway.
                        And in this case, no, no activity is visible
                      6. g_ae
                        g_ae 8 June 2021 09: 34
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                        They recalled an anecdote about a drunk who is looking for the dropped keys not where he lost, but where the lantern shines.
                        By the way, American UPS and FedEx both flew through Belarus and still do. Bye one more time, Mr. truth-teller and truth-seeker.
                      7. Avior
                        Avior 8 June 2021 09: 42
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                        I do not see the connection, perhaps you are just closer about drunks.
                        And what does it matter to me that they fly? These are their problems.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 8 June 2021 12: 52
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    Quote: Avior
    I am not delighted that somewhere at the state level they can hijack an airplane under the pretext of false mining.

    But you yourself did not participate in the investigation, and apparently do not admit that the information you provide may be false or unreliable, especially since there are enough stuffing in the network.
    Quote: Avior
    This concerns me, of course, I do not want to be on such an airplane.

    I think we need to be more careful not to get into a plane crash, and not think about mining. So no one will force you to jail, the current screeching is artificially inflated, and you know this, because because of the bad weather you can be jailed anywhere at all.
    1. Avior
      Avior 8 June 2021 18: 26
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      ... apparently you do not admit that the information you provide may be false or unreliable

      I admit it. I compare and contrast information from different sources
      Nothing from what I wrote above contradicts statements from official sources in Belarus.
      because of bad weather, you can be put anywhere at all

      They can. But I see a huge difference between objective circumstances and the deliberate hijacking of an aircraft with false mining. These are incomparable things.
  • Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
    Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 7 June 2021 15: 30
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    Quote: NDR-791
    most likely, they will simply be condemned and handed over to serve us. The normal, routine procedure is fully applicable.

    Yes, they will condemn and pass it on. And we will have a problem:
    1. We will soon have mercy on her, thereby completely defaming the verdict of the judiciary in Belarus;
    2. We will keep her for the entire term (well, if only we will release her on parole), and good Western partners will talk about another prisoner / prisoner of conscience, a political prisoner languishing in dungeons in Russia, connection sanctions ... But God forbid she will die by the will of God ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Well, then it will be completely extinguished the light ...
  • NF68
    NF68 7 June 2021 16: 42
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    If she also muddied the water, then let him be responsible for it.
    1. zenion
      zenion 7 June 2021 18: 39
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      Give her, while she is sitting, every day, a bucket of muddy water to drink for the day. You need to muddy the water with worn socks.
      1. NF68
        NF68 10 June 2021 16: 42
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        Quote: zenion
        Give her, while she is sitting, every day, a bucket of muddy water to drink for the day. You need to muddy the water with worn socks.


        And from around the corner to beat on the head with an empty sack of flour?
  • zenion
    zenion 7 June 2021 18: 37
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    Agree with Russia on how to divide it. Part of Russia is part of Belarus. But here's how to divide it is necessary to agree - along, or across. Here, of course, you will need to talk with specialists from Germany, they have always been good at it. Belarusians can ask her party members whether to burn half of them in a special oven, or in a barn, as is their custom.
  • Yaroslav Tekkel
    Yaroslav Tekkel 7 June 2021 20: 00
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    A new legal term was born - "nominal citizenship". Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. If you start thinking in the spirit of "well, this is our citizen, but he is not good, so we kind of ignore his citizenship", then the Russian passport will turn into a piece of paper, which only lamination prevents from wiping.

    You can't give your own people, even if they are very shitty ones, to punish someone else's ruler, who also lives at our expense.
  • nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 8 June 2021 11: 02
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    I propose to extradite Sapega to Russia as soon as she has served her term in Belarus.
  • Konnick
    Konnick 8 June 2021 11: 50
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    I have strange associations about Sophia Sapieha, a friend of False Dmitry II Yan Sapieha, who died in the Kremlin in 1611, had a daughter, Sophia, not from the descendants laughing , decided to take revenge on the Muscovites. Or parents, admirers and how they ended up in Vladivostok with such a famous surname.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 8 June 2021 12: 55
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      Quote: Konnick
      I have strange associations about Sophia Sapieha, a friend of False Dmitry II Yan Sapieha, who died in the Kremlin in 1611, had a daughter, Sophia, not from the descendants

      This is just a script for a funky thriller - ask for a fee from the producers for submitting an idea. This version is just a godsend for screenwriters.
  • Maximilian37
    Maximilian37 8 June 2021 12: 23
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    Quote: ccsr
    Quote: NDR-791
    Yes, and most likely they will not pardon her, they will simply condemn her and hand her over to serve us.

    I think it is pointless to give this "revolutionary" a term, and we do not need hemorrhoids with her, and therefore this option is most acceptable:
    Sapega can simply be deported from Belarus, banning her from entering the country for 10 years.

    There is no need to make a fighter for the idea out of her, and then we will not have to justify ourselves before all sorts of "human rights defenders" by allowing European parliamentary verbiage to check on the serving of the term.
    In general, she did not do much harm to us, and the West is unlikely to need it - that's where she can be kicked out, for example, to Poland. And if he starts to rock the boat, then immediately remind that the case can be reconsidered upon the discovery of new circumstances already in Russia.


    All the same, the correct option is to condemn her in Belarus, and to serve her sentence in Russia. As for observers from different gay European countries, this is not a problem, let them come and watch it once a year. Not a big problem, no one is going to beat her, there she will learn how to sew sweatshirts. And in 5 years he will calm down and think about family, children and the world.

    and if you are worried about Russia because of it? Don't worry, the West has long associated Russia and Belarus as one. Take a look at Stoltenberg's speeches at least. There will be sanctions in any case.
  • Archon
    Archon 8 June 2021 14: 33
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    What an awkward surname. I'd like to read in Latin as Kaner, Kaneri.
  • Gueuze Ulenspiegel
    Gueuze Ulenspiegel 8 June 2021 17: 44
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    In fact, nothing. They will give it to Russia. And then they will chide and release.
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 8 June 2021 22: 12
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    Term - in the Republic of Belarus, to sit - in the Russian Federation laughing
  • Sergey Ivanov_15
    Sergey Ivanov_15 8 June 2021 23: 01
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    They will not calm down, if pardoned, they will run away and shit from abroad !!! They need to be given time and that they would be in prison! !! In the USA, there would definitely be a tower or an electric chair, although they could give 15 years !!! They will not rust !!!
  • Peaceful SEO
    Peaceful SEO 8 June 2021 23: 20
    +1
    Let her be tried and imprisoned in Belarus. What for is guano in Russia to contain?
  • Shket53
    Shket53 9 June 2021 09: 47
    +1
    And let Old Man give her to us ... ours will gut her like a frog ... well then ... just an unfortunate case
    1. aries2200
      aries2200 9 June 2021 22: 14
      -1
      but as with efimushka nemtsev on the bridge .............
  • Leo Kukkonen
    Leo Kukkonen 9 June 2021 12: 27
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    What to take from her. Sucked, and in the breaks knocked on the keyboard. Like sexual slavery.
  • aries2200
    aries2200 9 June 2021 22: 13
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    send to the settlement for 12 years in the north of the Urals, people there are good people live after 25 years-15 years of murder, rape .... strong men ... will not be deprived of male affection .... will learn to plant potatoes to milk a cow .... and etc.
  • lazy
    lazy 10 June 2021 14: 37
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    let it sit there, we don’t need this guano. for a deanon of Russian police officers is supposed to sit, so why shouldn't she sit for a deanon of Belarusian ones?