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Following Ukraine? Twenty years of Russian stupidity

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Sometimes in the head of a reasonable and thinking person, questions like "Who needs all this and why?" And the questions require answers. While they are emerging and still demanding. But in our country, everything goes to the fact that soon (by historical measures) there will be no one to ask such questions and there is no need.


This year, we celebrate with longing and sadness 20 years since the Soviet education system became a thing of the past and was replaced by the Unified State Exam. A system that was not criticized only by a completely lazy one from among those who understand.

Yes, there were many discussions and the authorities even at one time flirted with the people, spreading rumors about the fact that the USE would be canceled and the system with ordinary exams would be returned.

It was not so. This year, even the very possibility of any changes was finished off. If, for example, a child does not want to go to university, but dreams of a career as a janitor, he will still be obliged to pass the exam. This will be the case since 2022.

All this was presented in those years as simply a mind-blowing tool in the fight against corruption. Say, the test is something that will simply beat off the hands of those who, for bribes, promoted rich but stupid children to prestigious universities instead of talented but poor ones.

In fact, only the battlefield has really shifted. Everyone knows that. The struggle for places in a prestigious university does not begin after passing the exams, but several years before that moment. If there is money to start coaching a child to take tests from the fifth or sixth grade, everything is fine. If not - well, excuse me, we have such a wonderful country in which any child can, with a successful scenario, end up in MGIMO on a budgetary place.

True, for some reason they are all the same children of diplomats. Just as the offspring of sonorous surnames studied at HSE, they do.

And no problem, just a little more money to spend.

Here's the question: what for?

And in order to pass the test correctly. It is one-on-one, like passing exams for the right to drive a car. What do driving schools teach? Driving? No, they teach you how to take a driving license exam.

It is the same in schools. They teach not a set of knowledge, but how to correctly tick the test.


And then, as expected, an “impartial” commission at the university will consider the test results and ... And yes, we have “targeted recruitment” programs, there are also some additional tests that allow us to determine the amount of genius in a child with an accuracy of hundredths.

This is probably why we have dynasties in full swing for these twenty years. Judicial, prosecutorial, artistic, film and so on.

One gets the impression that our talent for diplomacy or stage performance is clearly transmitted at the genetic level. Or, like cucumbers, by cross-pollination. But it is transmitted clearly and to the right place.
Another dirty trick that was invented within the framework of this USE, and which cuts a lot at the root, is the so-called "portfolio". Yes, in fact, again, a portfolio consisting of various achievements, successes, achievements in sports, science and other areas is a good idea. But it is one thing to implement all this in Moscow, and quite another - say, in Saratov. Or Omsk.

It is clear that Moscow is not exactly Russia, Russia starts a little further away. True, in the environment of TOI Russia there are separate areas where passing the exam for 100 points is a piece of cake. But even with this federal entity, everything is more or less clear within the framework of the situation.

But in fact, the chasm between Moscow and Russia as a whole has only deepened. But it’s probably even better. There is nothing for slaves from the hinterland to dream of MGIMO, Bauman Moscow State Technical University, Moscow State University ... For the rest of Russia, there are all the remaining letters of the alphabet in front of the State University.

The farther from Moscow, the more difficult it is to prove / show your genius to a child, and, in fact, no one needs it. The son of a diplomat should become a diplomat, the son of a prosecutor should become a prosecutor, and a judge's daughter should become a judge. And such a continuity of generations is the very thing that is needed. And there is no need to spoil the harmonious scheme.

The scheme, I must say, is good. The commissions, "carefully and impartially" having studied the documents, where, apparently, the main indicator is the surname and patronymic of the candidate, will issue a verdict: fit for study at the same MGIMO, or will go to study in his native Penza.

It is clear that the level of training in different schools is different. But in principle, with the approach that the authorities invented for Russia, the emergence of the "generation of the Unified State Exam" is a natural result.

Yes, like a meme, but rather a terrible result, this is a "generation". It really is as they say about it. And the lack of education, or rather, the lack of education of these children is the result of the USE system.

After all, now time should be spent not on real studies, but on the ability to correctly put crosses or ticks in the test. Which, as usual, has nothing to do with normal knowledge.

Hence the result: illiteracy, a small vocabulary, gaps in history and literature. Because there is no time. And nobody likes to read today. Why, if there is the Internet, damned and blessed? From which you can quickly and conveniently pull on yourself all sorts of garbage fakes, because of your ignorance to believe in them, and then ... Yes, anything, any nonsense, from a rally for Navalny to the massacre in your own school.


The lucky ones can afford distance learning. The rich are elite schools. The rest of Russia becomes a supplier of personnel to the “GE generation”. And this is laid down at the state level.

How many petitions were filed by parents, how many hundreds of thousands of signatures were put on petitions for the abolition of the single ET system?

Even the State Duma began to think about the emerging situation. At one time, after the statements of the Deputy Speaker of the State Duma Pyotr Tolstoy, it even seemed that "it will rise just now," but no. It will only get worse, because now college graduates will have to go through this ET.

And Mr. Tolstoy is right in his statements about the fact that the system of the Russian version of the GE is a copy of the Western models. Completely ineffective, in his opinion.

And here it is worth thinking about why she is like that. And who doesn't need smart citizens in the country.

First of all, our state does not need them. Why do the authorities need people who know how to think? Analyze? Argue? Urge?

No, it's all from the devil. A citizen of Russia, as you know from the postulates voiced by Mr. Gref, must be able to sign a loan agreement and know the four operations of arithmetic. The rest are dubious values.

In general, what Mr. Gref says, one must listen very carefully, because Gref is the same indestructible reality as Chubais or Nabiullina. He will not go anywhere under any scenario, no matter what happens in the country. For Gref IS APPOINTED. And it will not go anywhere.

Who does not believe - remember how Mr. Mikhalkov instantly played "ban" with his "Besogon", as soon as he touched Gref. Flew off all channels and vegetated on the Internet. Yes, they returned, but the sediment, what kind of sediment remained ...

Of course, it looks strange when the head of Sberbank gets into education issues, but this is as much a reality as much else.

But you need more proof that Gref perfectly understands what the goals and objectives of upbringing are. Not so long ago, Sberbank announced another event: the face of the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum, which is held under the patronage of Sberbank, was ...

And who should be the face of the economic forum? A youthful face?

Maybe Andrey Esipenko?

Following Ukraine? Twenty years of Russian stupidity
Photo: chess24.com

The eighteen year old who defeated the reigning world chess champion Magnus Carlsen at a super tournament in the Netherlands? Awarded the title of grandmaster at the age of 16?

No, not a chess player.

Maybe someone from the Russian physics team came up, which took ALL gold at the Asian School Olympiad?


Photo: MIPT

No, not physics.

Then maybe the mathematician Daniil Fialkovsky? Winner in the 11th grade, the Grand Award, which is called the "Minor Nobel Prize" for the study of algorithms.


Photo: itmo.ru

No, not a mathematician.

Okay, enough already. Another Daniel was recognized as the face of the international forum. Milokhin. A notorious grimace-tiktoker. The one who thinks that he can combine several words into one topic and mumble it into the microphone. Sorry, I won't post his soulful face here. The fact itself is enough.

This is what he is, the hero of our time and our future in the opinion of the powers that be. Tiktoker, who did not even master the vocational technical college in Orenburg.

In general, no offense to Mr. Gref, but he obviously read the "Ost" plan for the night.

But if the state needs crowds of duped and obedient citizens who have only a minimal set of postulates in their heads ... Does this remind you of anything? Reminds me. Yes, Ukraine. There was something similar. First, the degradation of education, then the substitution of values, then soft treatment in the national style - and voila!


Photo: MIGnews.com

We have complete order with education. With the substitution of values ​​too. IN the news both on TV and on the Internet for a long time there have been no stories about labor exploits and awards for heroes. There is more room for scandals.

I was amazed by the long reflection of the authorities on the topic of whether it is necessary to reward the Kazan Teachers who were covering up their children. Of course, what are the awards for teachers? But the medal for merit to commemorate the long and fruitful work of the 23-year-old rapper and part-time son of one of the associates of Himself is normal. For this reason, orders and medals exist in this country - to reward those who are needed, and not those who are worthy.

And the teachers ... This is so ... The bottom of the social ladder.

Let's return to the HE system. Everyone is against the system: children, parents and teachers. If you believe the site SuperJob, which regularly polls its users on various topics, then 68% of Russians would like to have the GE canceled. And if you take the parents of graduate school students, then the percentage there is even higher: 83.

What are the teachers talking about? The fact that the USE is just a slice of basic knowledge, a test for minimum literacy. And in no way is it an indicator of how talented and developed a student is. A high USE score is not a guarantee of intelligence and education, a low one is not evidence of stupidity and ignorance.

But the state needs just such a selection system. Too many students go to universities and then do anything anyway, just not mastering their profession, obtained at the university. It is a fact.

Yes, of course, people in working specialties, who are trained in colleges and technical schools, are also needed.

But for this it is necessary to raise the prestige of these specialties, and not reduce the possibility of entering a university.

As for higher education, it is already below the plinth in the country. What can I say, in order to sell mobile phones or fill out microloan agreements, you must have a higher education diploma.

The testing that is offered within the USE is only testing. And two years killed in preparation for passing this test is nonsense.

And how can a test determine the development and level of knowledge in humanitarian subjects?

In general, we can say that the Ukrainian scenario is being played out in our country at a quite normal pace. Yes, in Ukraine they added national pride and hatred to neighbors, but I am sure that this will not work for us. After such interesting statements by the president that the Soviet people single-handedly defeated fascism, I am sure that the further development of an alternative history will not be the case.

For twenty years, an experiment on stupidity has been going on in the country. Soon, in fact, “teachers” will come to schools who have studied within the HE system. And then everything will be just fine. And there will be no talk of any return to a different system of training and examination. Teachers raised by the HE system simply cannot do otherwise.

We will only have to state the fact that the Unified State Exam did not fulfill any of the tasks stated when it was introduced. Corruption has not been eliminated; on the contrary, it has blossomed in full bloom. The forgeries and distortions have not decreased. Children without privileges did not receive any advantages; on the contrary, the gap between the wealthy and the Russian “middle class” only deepened. Education has become even more expensive, because tutors have instantly multiplied, who "prepare correctly for the Unified State Exam."

And the worst thing is that we have generations coming out that are ready to believe any nonsense from the Internet.

In general, we are very successful in chasing Ukraine. The whole question is only for what purposes the crowds of the duped and indifferent to everything except the Internet will be used. We are aware of how they were used in Ukraine. What application they will find in Russia - we will see and feel, the main thing is not on our own skin.

And so - probably, we have been going on a given course for twenty years, Russians ...
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  1. U-58
    U-58 7 June 2021 05: 25
    +44
    Everything is correct. But this is the cry of one crying in the wilderness.
    Moreover, it is necessary to fight not with the USE system, but with the teaching system at school. For the exam is the tip of the iceberg. Cancellation of the exam will not add knowledge ...
    That is (and the author notes this) that the same Soviet secondary school is needed, which for decades gave the country literate citizens.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 7 June 2021 05: 38
      +34
      Quote: U-58
      Everything is correct. But this is the cry of one crying in the wilderness.

      yes, that's right, and that's scary. Roma, you are also grefa, you mentioned .. also a "ban" threatens? what now still adherents "near-zero" will catch up, and with foam at the mouth, they will accuse Roman of "all-propanity". Well, as usual. who have their own "candle factory" and the children are successfully attached, for those other "losers" are just dirt from under their nails. and there are also “Channel One lovers”, bearers of rose-colored glasses, they also believe that everything is fine, just a little more, and there will be a “breakthrough” ... there will be ... but where? into the abyss ? and everything goes to that, the abscess is ripening.

      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 7 June 2021 05: 50
        +31
        The case when with the author, usually very controversial, I agree 100%.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 7 June 2021 06: 54
          +22
          I agree with you, Vladimir. The very rare case when everything is at the same time. Well, almost everything.
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 7 June 2021 08: 19
            +2
            Konstantin! You worked in a museum and you know it to the point of subtlety. I worked for 32 years at the Higher School, 4 years at a rural school and 2 years at SyuT, and I also know this to the point of subtlety. How many years did Roman work at school and at the Higher School? Ask ... And then think ... In court, hearsay information is not considered. But articles based on secondary information are OK. If only they coincided with the opinion of the people. And it, this opinion ... well, let's remember Pushkin, "Boris Godunov". Have you noticed that I have NEVER written anything here about officers and engineers? Have you noticed? Although I had acquaintances officers and engineers. And they told me how they ran AWOL over the fence from the school, and how they fought ... But I DIDN'T EXPERIENCE THIS. And therefore I do not consider myself entitled to write about the work of people, about which I have only heard and read. But everyone who is not lazy writes about the work of teachers, not a day at school at work. It is not right!
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 7 June 2021 08: 27
              +36
              It seemed to me that here it is not so much about the work of teachers as about the situation in the country, I am not happy about it either.
              1. kalibr
                kalibr 7 June 2021 08: 41
                -10%
                Konstantin, but it seems to me that you need to write about what you know, and not from hearsay, not from newspapers and TV, but on the basis of personal experience and documents. Outwardly, a lot of things seem, although in fact the situation takes place exactly the opposite.
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 7 June 2021 09: 08
                  -8
                  Quote: kalibr
                  Konstantin, but it seems to me that you need to write about what you know, and not from hearsay, not from newspapers and TV, but on the basis of personal experience and documents.

                  I agree with you 100%. I am surprised by people who have no idea about any specialty or industry, but write and even try to impose their opinion. For example, how can one write about the sea and sailors, if the sea was seen only from the shore.
                  1. kalibr
                    kalibr 7 June 2021 09: 20
                    -6
                    Quote: tihonmarine
                    For example, how can one write about the sea and sailors if the sea was seen only from the shore.

                    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++
                    1. Esoteric
                      Esoteric 7 June 2021 09: 45
                      +14
                      But what about common sense and everyday experience? The son of a hard worker will never be able to enter MGIMO, even if he is the second Disraeli. This is simply impossible in practice, although theoretically the chances are equal.
                      1. Doctor
                        Doctor 7 June 2021 09: 50
                        -10%
                        But what about common sense and everyday experience? The son of a hard worker will never be able to enter MGIMO, even if he is the second Disraeli. This is simply impossible in practice, although theoretically the chances are equal.

                        It was with the Unified State Exam that this became possible.
                        And just the rich are advocating the abolition of the exam.
                      2. kalibr
                        kalibr 7 June 2021 09: 52
                        -44%
                        Quote: Ezoterik
                        The son of a hard worker will never be able to enter MGIMO, even if he is the second Disraeli

                        Why is he needed there? The son of a diplomat ROTATES IN THIS ENVIRONMENT FROM CHILD, he is HALF READY FOR THIS WORK. And the son of a hard worker still needs to be taught how to use a knife and fork!
                      3. Lannan Shi
                        Lannan Shi 7 June 2021 11: 03
                        +44
                        Quote: kalibr
                        The son of a diplomat ROTATES IN THIS ENVIRONMENT FROM CHILD, he is HALF READY FOR THIS WORK.

                        And the general's son has been in the army since childhood. The driver's son understands cars. Is it time to introduce a caste society?
                        By the way. The same Tileran, according to your logic, was supposed to wave a sword in the attack, Golda Meir, who rebuilt Israel's diplomacy from scratch - carpentry, disraeli write novels. I would like to hear about the "hereditary" diplomats "trained from childhood" and who are among the greats. And then practice shows that it is on them that, as a rule, nature rests. And beyond the gray mediocrity, but attached to a warm place, they rarely advance. yes
                      4. kalibr
                        kalibr 7 June 2021 11: 37
                        -26%
                        Well, I personally knew a boy at school, the son of an officer. Not a general ... But in our time he became a general. Now he is hosting parades on Red Square. My mother was a candidate of historical sciences, assistant professor. Looking at her, I had a very good idea of ​​what it was like to become a Ph.D. and what needs to be done for this. And he did! Nature has not rested. From childhood, my daughter knew what it was like to study in graduate school, to take the minimum. And she also became a Ph.D. And nature did not rest on it ... So the "practice" is different.
                      5. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 7 June 2021 12: 21
                        +26
                        Quote: kalibr
                        So the "practice" is different.

                        Your practice only proves that your child was able to become a candidate of historical sciences with your help. And nothing more. By the way, to say how much talent he has in this area is a very interesting question.
                      6. kalibr
                        kalibr 7 June 2021 12: 33
                        -20%
                        Read on the Internet her books and articles in the E-lab, if you know what it is ... But only if the child ... k, you can't put anything in his head!
                      7. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 7 June 2021 12: 51
                        +13
                        Quote: kalibr
                        Read her books and articles in the E-lab on the Internet, if you know what it is ...

                        No, I do not know. I know a sledgehammer, a crowbar, a wrench. I don't know E-lab. Glamorous something probably.
                        Quote: kalibr
                        But only if the child ... to, you can't put anything in his head!

                        Yes, Shpakovsky is not Makarenko. Definitely not Makarenko. Painfully harsh.
                      8. kalibr
                        kalibr 7 June 2021 13: 14
                        -16%
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        Glamorous something probably.

                        That’s where you’re all, Makar .. I haven’t read it, but ... the main thing is to blather something derogatory! elibrary.ru is a scientific electronic library. The glamorous does not get there! However, d ... ki too!
                      9. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 7 June 2021 13: 21
                        +8
                        Quote: kalibr
                        elibrary.ru is a scientific electronic library.

                        Now I will know by your efforts.
                        Quote: kalibr
                        The glamorous does not get there! However, d ... ki too!

                        It is sad. Where are now without PR and glamor. Do you not know.
                      10. kalibr
                        kalibr 7 June 2021 13: 29
                        -10%
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        Where are now without PR and glamor.

                        Yes, there are many and many ... on the next branch is my article about the Browning rifle. No glamor, no PR ... and nothing, people read, even some people like it.
                      11. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 7 June 2021 14: 01
                        +5
                        The key word here is some.
                      12. kalibr
                        kalibr 7 June 2021 14: 08
                        -12%
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        The key word here is some.

                        To the delight of some narrow-minded people, I have been modest! In fact, their number is off scale. This is easy to see by looking at how the rating grows. Why would you?
                      13. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 7 June 2021 14: 16
                        +12
                        Yes, but everyone knows Ksenia Anatolyevna Sobchak, for example, and Vyacheslav Olegovich Shpakovsky is only, mostly, couch warriors from the VO website. Although this I certainly envy.
                      14. kalibr
                        kalibr 7 June 2021 15: 36
                        -2
                        Since 1987, my books in the USSR until the 91st were published in print runs of 100 thousand and sold out in two weeks. There is no such SUT, or a children's library, where they are not. Sobchak could not even dream of such popularity. Well, the books in Osprey and Dream have been and are being read in the West ... wow ... how many. This is you, my dear, except for VO you do not read anything and E-lab is "glamorous" for you. And then there is this:
                        https://правдинформ.рф/modules.php?name=Laid&keyw=Вячеслав%20Шпаковский
                        http://ru-an.info/author.php?rid=3863
                        http://alternathistory.com/tag/vyacheslav-shpakovskij/
                        https://www.pravda.ru/author/shpakovskijj_vjacheslav/
                        https://oko-planet.su/history/historydiscussions/451543-istoriya-o-kamne.html
                        https://www.popmech.ru/author/vyacheslav-shpakovskiy/
                        https://naukatehnika.com/files/vse_zhurnaly/2020/12.20/NiT-12.20.pdf
                        You will even get tired of flipping, let alone reading! And that's not all. I was just too lazy to look further ...
                      15. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 7 June 2021 18: 23
                        +5
                        I gave you a plus. Unfortunately, there are no books of yours in my library. To my shame I have to admit it. But I hope someday I will acquire the PSS of Shpakovsky V.O. for the personal autograph of the classic.
                      16. kalibr
                        kalibr 7 June 2021 19: 14
                        -5
                        Well, I can't count on the PSS. There are textbooks for sale on PR and public opinion management. There are e-books on the author resource. today, but you can't autograph them. Now I'm waiting for the decision of three publishers at once. Covid ends and the books begin to print. Agreements for three books should be signed, but when and whether ... who knows. But if something happens, you will find out, write to me and I will only be pleased to send you such a book.
        2. Titus_2
          Titus_2 7 June 2021 23: 52
          +1
          About glamor and foolishness ..... ki are there criteria and standards? Who will determine this?
        3. Essex62
          Essex62 8 June 2021 10: 21
          +14
          Not a small number of minuses to Mr. Shpakovsky is the result of an unsuccessful statement about the son of a hard worker and the son of a diplomat, with an attempt to defend his position. From the point of view of a Soviet person, it is not acceptable. Anti-disposal and always in the Union
          she tried to emphasize her exclusiveness, but she was put in place by unambiguously declaring that you fellow scientists are only serving the proletariat. It was and passed. She, these loud-voiced brethren, contributed a lot to the destruction of the dictatorship of this very proletariat. And now he advocates the return of a caste society, as in the Republic of Ingushetia. However, this is a step into the abyss, Mr. Ph.D. From the point of view of common sense, the main thing in society should be the one who created the product, and not who sold it or wrote something.
        4. kalibr
          kalibr 8 June 2021 10: 34
          -7
          Quote: Essex62
          From the point of view of a Soviet person, it is not acceptable.

          And it interests me least of all. As for the minuses, their number is also welcomed, as well as pluses. Both are clicks. And they increase the investment attractiveness of the site!
        5. Essex62
          Essex62 9 June 2021 10: 21
          +5
          This characterizes the attitude of members of the forum personally to you and your statements.
        6. kalibr
          kalibr 9 June 2021 11: 46
          -2
          Quote: Essex62
          This characterizes the attitude of members of the forum personally to you and your statements.

          Not all, but some, whose opinion does not matter and does not matter. As the saying goes: "Who are the judges?"
        7. Essex62
          Essex62 9 June 2021 18: 36
          +3
          Conceit above the Peak of Communism. Nothing, life will correct this am
        8. kalibr
          kalibr 10 June 2021 06: 34
          -2
          Quote: Essex62
          Nothing, life will correct this

          Will not have time! Besides, who will correct it? Junior scoopers of the sewage wagon? Hope dear. Hope, though empty, is all you have left!
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  2. kalibr
    kalibr 8 June 2021 10: 36
    -9
    Quote: Essex62
    not who sold it

    Your warehouse is packed with food. Nobody buys. There is no good salesperson. And nafig you beat him? Consider that they are not at all! People go to the polls ... They don't know who to choose. Only one article of the necessary content is written and the one for whom it was written wins. And you "created a product" for me.
  3. Essex62
    Essex62 9 June 2021 10: 18
    +5
    This is how your bourgeois world works. And in the planned socialist there is no stocking. As much as they have produced, they have grabbed as much. The salesman will not be needed at all when a surplus is reached on the basis of STP. Communism is called.
    Your argument is simply not about anything, Mr. Scientist. The argumentation is weak for a man who writes a book. Because at the forefront is margin and personal enrichment, which is taboo in a society of equals.
    Your choices are a complete fiction, such as you invent all sorts of technologies to control the generation with the brainwashed, although recently this is no longer necessary. In the bourgeois Russian Federation, the "result" is simply announced, why count something.
    The time will come and we will write our opinion again. Next time our tanks will appear on the bridge in front of the White House, which in 93 alone helped you usurp power.
  4. kalibr
    kalibr 9 June 2021 11: 47
    -5
    Quote: Essex62
    And in the planned socialist there is no stocking.

    But there are no goods either. "Long green and smells of sausage" - I did not come up with it. Either there is no tooth powder, or paste, or bed linen. Cars in turn and by appointment, furniture (good) only for war veterans and for "on the paw", shoes are good only in Jadran, fashionable clothes - Leipzig and Polish fashion ... What kind of overstock is there ...
  5. Essex62
    Essex62 9 June 2021 18: 12
    +4
    And everything with your stomach is measured by comfort. That is why there is a problem with the perception of society, where a working person has more rights than his servants.
    Don't give a damn about fancy clothes, and a car can be hired, why the hell is this headache needed. And Brezhnev's socialism had a lot of problems not because it was socialism. In principle, the elders were brought to the wrong place by the mid-70s. The thread is lost. Stalin is not a unique phenomenon for centuries.
  6. kalibr
    kalibr 9 June 2021 11: 55
    -6
    Quote: Essex62
    The time will come and we will write our opinion again. Next time our tanks will appear on the bridge in front of the White House, which in 93 alone helped you usurp power.

    Described from fear! ... I want to go to barricades and to lead ...
  7. Essex62
    Essex62 9 June 2021 18: 17
    +3
    It later. Personally, I don't want 125mm BO shots again. But everything comes to square one. No one by birthright can be superior to others. An equal start and prove it according to the rules. This is the highest justice of a society of equals.
  8. kalibr
    kalibr 10 June 2021 06: 38
    -2
    Quote: Essex62
    An equal start and prove it according to the rules. This is the highest justice of a society of equals.

    This is what you wrote correctly. I have 48 books in the USSR, Russia, England, Germany, Singapore and many more than 2000 articles in the USSR, Russia, England, Australia, Bulgaria, Spain, Czech Republic, Ukraine, USA, Japan. How many do you have?
  9. Essex62
    Essex62 10 June 2021 08: 23
    +2
    Your books, judging by the opinions voiced here, are extremely harmful to the interests of the working class. And you shouldn't be proud of it. I have my own interests and dare to think of achievements.
    In the Union your pearls not otherwise marked with Judas began to publish? Hardly before.
    I am generally surprised by such a mild reaction, comrades to such proposals to arrange our life. This is already beyond the bounds, society has been stratified by capitalism, now you are proposing to drive us into feudalism in general.
    Break off, you can't turn back to sleep. Exhaust at least a hundred tons of paper, society will not accept such excesses. To such an extent, you will not be able to desecrate people.
  10. kalibr
    kalibr 10 June 2021 08: 29
    0
    Quote: Essex62
    Your books, judging by the opinions voiced here, are extremely harmful to the interests of the working class.

    I have not read it, but I condemn it, yes. Oh, Alexander, Alexander. To write this in the age of the Internet is not to respect yourself. And then you still wonder why I treat many of the commentators with contempt. For example, I would not guess, but first I would look on the Internet, read reviews, and only then ... And so you sign your own stupidity. That's all.
  11. Essex62
    Essex62 10 June 2021 09: 35
    +2
    No way. The opinion expressed on the forum was enough for me to understand who I was dealing with. Let them study the writings of the enemy.
    When the time comes, I am a simple soldier, my job is to enforce.
  12. kalibr
    kalibr 14 June 2021 06: 48
    0
    Quote: Essex62
    I am a simple soldier, my job is to enforce.

    It is clear, they say about such people: And I also eat there. That is, you do not even know how to use the Internet. Although there is not enough mind for VO. But a step to the left - to the right is an attempt to escape from orthodox nonsense. Well, personally, it only makes me happy. The thicker the grass, the easier it is to mow. But such "simple" ones are easier to manage.
    Quote: Essex62
    Let anyone study the writings of the enemy.

    Study! Several generations of Soviet and Russian children have grown up on them and are kindly accepted!
  13. Essex62
    Essex62 14 June 2021 09: 46
    -1
    Apparently, those same Soviet children that you poisoned, they pushed the bourgeois on our necks. I read a lot and enjoy it. But to spoil your nerves, if it is impossible to get to such an aftor, for a sincere conversation, thank you.
    Controlling me is a thin gut, and the fact that you are a radish, you call orthodox nonsense is the convictions of a Bolshevik-communist. Well, in no way does it fit with such terms.
    For this useless picket we turn off, it is pointless. When the anti-ligacy goes to individuals, then there are no arguments against logic and beliefs. Here is another method of treba. am
  14. kalibr
    kalibr 14 June 2021 10: 03
    0
    Quote: Essex62
    beliefs of the Bolshevik-communist.

    I would also add - a complete fool, because only such people prefer to guess, "judging by ..." instead of clicking "all Shpakovsky's books" in the questionnaire and find out that it is just them that is difficult to poison someone consciousness. And it is very easy to manage people like you. I'm at work, I am writing to you "against the grain", and you answer, you are angry, because it has already reached "you" and the radish. And from people like you, only one thing is required: clicks and comments. About what, it doesn't matter! It is important that you are led to this and do them. And they can be sold. And this increases the investment attractiveness of the site and the income of its authors. So we have even the stupidest income. And you ... spoil your nerves.
  15. kalibr
    kalibr 14 June 2021 10: 09
    -2
    Quote: Essex62
    bourgeois on our necks and pushed

    Remember: there would be a working cattle, and there will always be people to drive her around! The smart ones would not agree, they thought, the corresponding books were read by the "enemy", and not only "their own." But this is not available to her ... Ah ... the fools don't need a knife ...
  16. Essex62
    Essex62 15 June 2021 09: 06
    0
    An extreme answer. The radish came back.
    Well what can I say, enemy.
    I read different things., Yours will not. It's disgusting. And I'm not angry at all, why would I suddenly?
    Does our site mean exclusively for the creators' margin? And it seemed to me for the exchange of views and replenishment of knowledge about the Armed Forces, military equipment, weapons and military operations.
    What are you, the enemy of all members of the forum chokhom recorded in the managed ones.
  17. kalibr
    kalibr 15 June 2021 10: 14
    0
    Quote: Essex62
    I read different things., Yours will not. It's disgusting.

    So only a fool can write, however, like this:
    Quote: Essex62
    And it seemed to me for an exchange of views and replenishment of knowledge about the Armed Forces, military equipment of weapons and military operations.

    But I do not understand your stubbornness. You have not heard anything about my magazine and about the role it played in the "replenishment of knowledge about the Armed Forces, military equipment of weapons." Didn't read articles in "Technics and Armaments", "Science and Technology", "Military Knowledge" ... And did not read in the comments here on VO the reviews of people whose fate was determined by my books and this magazine? You turned out to be a bad soldier, you know. It's easy to beat that. A good soldier should be observant, curious, notice all the good that the enemy has and the bad too. And you close your eyes to both. You can not do it this way! With people like you, "friends" the former scoop and enemies did not have to. Itself had to fall apart and fell apart. By the way, count how many comments you have already written only from my submission and see how many clicks and comments have already been submitted for this article. Pleasantly! As the saying goes: from a black sheep even a tuft of wool!
  18. Greenwood
    Greenwood 13 June 2021 14: 21
    +2
    Quote: kalibr
    I have 48 books in the USSR, Russia, England, Germany, Singapore and many more than 2000 articles in the USSR, Russia, England, Australia, Bulgaria, Spain, Czech Republic, Ukraine, USA, Japan. How many do you have?
    Daria Dontsova has more than a hundred published books. But is it worth mentioning their true artistic value ?! lol
  19. kalibr
    kalibr 14 June 2021 06: 43
    -2
    Quote: Greenwood
    Daria Dontsova has more than a hundred published books. But is it worth mentioning their true artistic value ?!

    Another fortuneteller! Don't guess, open the Internet ...
  20. kalibr
    kalibr 9 June 2021 11: 56
    -5
    Quote: Essex62
    Communism is called.

    The shortest anecdote in the USSR.
  21. kalibr
    kalibr 7 June 2021 15: 30
    -9
    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
    Definitely not Makarenko. Painfully harsh.

    But he didn't hit the pupils in the face!
  22. IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 7 June 2021 18: 25
    +4
    Do not need. They themselves will die from alcohol and the realization of their own insignificance. So they are Untermensch!
  23. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 8 June 2021 09: 06
    +5
    Quote: kalibr
    But he didn't hit the pupils in the face!

    The child can be crippled without it. A person who despises his readers, by definition, cannot love other people's children. What can he teach a child who does not know how to hold a knife and fork?
  24. kalibr
    kalibr 8 June 2021 09: 24
    -9
    Why should I love other people's children? I write good books for them! And they ... learn from them!
  25. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 8 June 2021 09: 45
    +4
    Quote: kalibr
    Why should I love other people's children? I write good books for them! And they ... learn from them!

    You will not understand this.
  26. kalibr
    kalibr 8 June 2021 10: 31
    -7
    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
    You will not understand this.

    Do not need! The main thing is that I write for them and they read. And they like it!
  27. Lannan Shi
    Lannan Shi 7 June 2021 15: 29
    +16
    Quote: kalibr
    Well, I personally knew a boy at school, the son of an officer. Not a general ... But in our time he became a general.

    That is, your words that the children of diplomats, ready-made semi-finished products for outstanding diplomats, cannot be confirmed by examples?
    By the way. There are also a lot of examples that typical fighters of the Arbat military district grow out of the general's sons, who should not be allowed close to the army. Therefore, let's still take not the average, but namely outstanding scientists, military men, politicians. Those who move the country forward, and not somehow exist, on the created by the ancestors. Track their origins and draw conclusions. Is it good to push through children by inheritance, or is it evil. Huh? Well, try to back up your point of view with facts.
    Quote: kalibr
    So the "practice" is different.

    Well yes. Various. If you are not satisfied with the approach with the calculation of the origin of the great, then .... We take the state as a unit of measurement, not the family, and prove the correctness by that very practice. Since you position yourself as a professional historian, it will not be difficult for you to give examples of successful, at the moment, societies with a rigid class or caste division. yes
  28. kalibr
    kalibr 7 June 2021 15: 48
    -9
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    societies with a rigid class or caste division.

    Britannia!
  29. Lannan Shi
    Lannan Shi 7 June 2021 17: 10
    +10
    Quote: kalibr
    Britannia!

    Em. Wouldn't it make it difficult to tell you exactly what the class of Britain is? So, information for. In the last British government, African Africans and others are a bit non-Europeans, 2 times more than titled ones. laughing
    By the way. Even the peer, for some time now, is more like a title - an honorary citizen than an estate. For there are 2.5 times more reward, non-inherited peers than inherited ones. And such a reward can be even a count's grandson, even a hereditary flusher, even a purebred Englishman, even an Eskimo, the main thing is the presence of merit. And again by the way. 100% of the titled, in the government, just such, award laughing
    And the very belonging to the graphs, even to the marquises, gives much less than the size of the personal account. Getting a personal driver - a baronet, or there esquire, is more a matter of price, well, of mental health, than a real problem. And what is the actual class of society?
  30. kalibr
    kalibr 7 June 2021 17: 12
    -11%
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    And what exactly is the class of society?

    In his class. And there is simply no point in explaining it in more detail. You can't get by with a paragraph. Just take it for granted.
  31. Lannan Shi
    Lannan Shi 7 June 2021 17: 20
    +15
    Quote: kalibr
    In his class.

    You can put on an owl of class, you can on a globe of any rank. Then we also have a class society through and through. The estate of honorary citizens of the village of Neurozhaevka, the estate of members of the society of alcoholics anonymous, the estate of hereditary defenders of birches from beavers.
    In reality, the estate is a social group that differs in its legal status from others, and transfers rights / obligations by inheritance. Well, show this legal isolation in the UK. Yeah.
    The point is that the truth, that the estate and the death of society are synonyms, was realized even through and through by conservative England. And albeit slowly, but very methodically, he gets rid of it. But for some reason, the views and customs of the Middle Ages are dearer to you.
    On that mustache. For tired of it. yes
  32. kalibr
    kalibr 7 June 2021 17: 23
    -6
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    And albeit slowly, but very methodically, he gets rid of it.

    This is a process, not a given. And the process is very slow. And this is just your opinion. There was a curious piece here, "What You Didn't Want to Know About England". Read at your leisure.
  33. Bolt cutter
    Bolt cutter 8 June 2021 08: 46
    +7
    "What You Didn't Want to Know About England"
    Complete bullshit.
    And this is just your opinion.
    And mine by the way too.
  34. kalibr
    kalibr 7 June 2021 17: 27
    -3
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    Well, here and show such a legal isolation in the UK.

    Two sentences are indispensable here. We need material with verifiable links (not like this, huh?), With examples, interesting. Prepare such and write a case for more than one. And not even one week. But the topic itself is interesting. I'll think about the best way to present it.
  35. your1970
    your1970 8 June 2021 17: 09
    -2
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    There are also a lot of examples that typical fighters of the Arbat military district grow out of the generals' sons, who should not be allowed close to the army.

    For fun, look - how many sons of the generals died in Chechnya. The list is quite large and impressive. At one time I was surprised, to put it mildly, how big it is
  36. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 10 June 2021 14: 28
    0
    Quote: your1970
    how many sons of generals died in Chechnya.

    Children died, one might say more Soviet generals. If there was a war today, these sons would be many times fewer.
  37. your1970
    your1970 11 June 2021 08: 15
    0
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Quote: your1970
    how many sons of generals died in Chechnya.

    Children died, one might say more Soviet generals. If there was a war today, these sons would be many times fewer.

    It - assumptionThere will be a war - we will see, there will not be - it will remain unfounded ...
  38. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 8 June 2021 08: 55
    +6
    Quote: kalibr
    area. My mother was a candidate of historical sciences, assistant professor. Looking at her, I had a very good idea of ​​what it was like to become a Ph.D. and what needs to be done for this. And he did!

    Became, I do not argue. The only question is - what?
    There are 4 surgeons in my hospital, in the surgical department. But everyone is trying to get to one. I did not get to him, but it was he who saved me, after the operation, which was also performed by the surgeon.
    No need to kick yourself in the chest with a heel, it is ugly.
  39. kalibr
    kalibr 8 June 2021 09: 29
    -1
    Here's how! Https: //pravdinform.rf/modules.php? Name = Laid & keyw = Vyacheslav% 20Shpakovsky
    http://ru-an.info/author.php?rid=3863
    http://alternathistory.com/tag/vyacheslav-shpakovskij/
    https://www.pravda.ru/author/shpakovskijj_vjacheslav/
    https://oko-planet.su/history/historydiscussions/451543-istoriya-o-kamne.html
    https://www.popmech.ru/author/vyacheslav-shpakovskiy/
    https://naukatehnika.com/files/vse_zhurnaly/2020/12.20/NiT-12.20.pdf
    If you want, you can continue ...
  40. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 8 June 2021 09: 54
    +2
    Quote: kalibr
    If you want, you can continue ...

    Not worth it. Do you remember Aesop's grandfather?
    = The fox reproached the lioness for giving birth to only one cub. The lioness replied: "One, but a lion!" =
  41. kalibr
    kalibr 8 June 2021 10: 28
    -4
    Aesop wrote a lot. For example, this one: "Grapes are green". In addition, no site will last long on "lions" alone. Have you seen a lot of them here?
  42. Timon2155
    Timon2155 8 June 2021 12: 31
    +1
    Judging by your comments, nature has a rest on you. Candidate, graduate student, etc., means nothing. My two brothers are honors graduates, graduated from MPEI, KTNy. So what? And nothing! The result is zero - they work in sales, science pays only to the top, the bottom gets a penny.
  43. kalibr
    kalibr 8 June 2021 15: 42
    -3
    Quote: Timon2155
    work in sales, science pays only the top, the bottom gets a penny.

    Sorry, Timur. It’s wrong with me ...
  44. your1970
    your1970 8 June 2021 17: 14
    +2
    Quote: Timon2155
    My two brothers are graduates

    Father at PMK (1970s !!!!!!!) two such honors worked as bulldozer / scrapers ...
    One said - “I’m sick as an engineer for 180 rubles to work ??? I’m better here for 300 and no one trembles nerves”
  45. Plastmaster
    Plastmaster 8 June 2021 07: 54
    +3
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    And the general's son has been in the army since childhood. The driver's son understands cars. Is it time to introduce a caste society?

    Quote: Lannan Shi
    And the general's son has been in the army since childhood. The driver's son understands cars. Is it time to introduce a caste society?

    Well, caste and elitism, it went after the death of Stalin. Just like the trigger was pulled. Starting with actors, songwriters. I haven’t heard of the astronauts yet.
  46. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 7 June 2021 11: 06
    +22
    Why are you so skeptical about the son of an ordinary worker? Is he not a man? Is he initially flawed?
  47. kalibr
    kalibr 7 June 2021 11: 38
    -22%
    Quote: Andrey VOV
    Why are you so skeptical about the son of an ordinary worker? Is he not a man? Is he initially flawed?

    Why do you necessarily focus on rarities? Accidents happen, yes, but the general rule is against them.
  48. Esoteric
    Esoteric 7 June 2021 11: 44
    +6
    The question of the value of certain professions in society. I don't like Solzhenitsyn, but he noticed one thing for sure. In the camp, the value of professions changes exactly the opposite. And if you are, for example, a philosopher, and others like him, then apart from a pick in your hands and not an illusory opportunity to "give an oak" for a month, nothing shines on the general public.
    But if you are a carpenter, a tailor, a shoemaker, a doctor, everything is quite the opposite.
  49. kalibr
    kalibr 7 June 2021 11: 45
    -18%
    Quote: Andrey VOV
    Why are you so skeptical about the son of an ordinary worker? Is he not a man? Is he initially flawed?

    He grew up on Proletarskaya Street among the children of workers. Tell how they lived from 1959 to 1968? I have already told you here ... But I can repeat it ...
  50. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 7 June 2021 14: 05
    +11
    And why should I tell this ... I myself grew up in the village named after Gorky in the city of Khabarovsk, whoever comes from there, he knows what kind of area and how it was there, what you called a rarity ... it was a normal phenomenon there ... so I strongly disagree with your division into izy, top, workers and other elites
  51. kalibr
    kalibr 7 June 2021 14: 10
    -22%
    This is not my division, Andrey. This is elementary sociology. Reread Orwell's 1984, then any modern sociology textbook ... There are dissertations on elites and counter-elites ... Everything is online. Take a look.
  52. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 7 June 2021 14: 12
    +10
    I read it, do not worry. You are not the only one with two higher educations ...
  53. kalibr
    kalibr 7 June 2021 14: 16
    -13%
    How did you decide that I'm worried? You are just an anonymous comrade and I do not know anything about you. I have to write with a margin. The commentator Makar did not know what E-lab was ... How do I know about your two higher ones.
  54. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 7 June 2021 14: 23
    +3
    Faculty of History and Law Institute of the Ministry of Internal Affairs
  55. kalibr
    kalibr 7 June 2021 15: 17
    -13%
    Then it's strange ... it's strange that you focus on exceptions and consider them as the rule. In reality, the opposite is true. However, it may well be that everything was so in your village. But everything was different on my street ...
  56. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 7 June 2021 15: 37
    +4
    And you do not admit a situation when the sum of exceptions begins to make up a certain critical mass, which turns into a rule?
  57. kalibr
    kalibr 7 June 2021 17: 17
    -2
    I admit it. There were many such exceptions to the rules of general welfare in 1991, and you know how their total growth ended. But we talked about specific examples - yours and mine. Why are yours dominant in relation to mine?
  58. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 7 June 2021 17: 50
    +4
    And I did not claim that my examples are better than yours, or as you put it, dominant
  59. Esoteric
    Esoteric 7 June 2021 15: 05
    +22
    When you work a shift in a hot shop, you won't go to the fitness center, and you won't talk about the merits of the poem "Eugene Onegin". There would be to drag my legs home. Therefore, the rest was unpretentious - to fry kebabs, and to be honest, to drink in nature.
    But it was they who provided other people with the opportunity to "flirt" in the higher spheres, for it was they who smelted the metal, sowed the fields, cleaned the sewers, and shook the streets. It is easy to live without historians, poets, buffoons - artists, but without a man of labor it is impossible.
    Let me philosophize the same a little, for now I completely agree with the following.
    "Oh no, Wolf Larsen replied bitterly. - And this is his happiness. He is too busy with life to think about it. I made a mistake when I first opened the book ".
    Jack London - "Sea Wolf"
  60. kalibr
    kalibr 7 June 2021 15: 20
    -18%
    Quote: Ezoterik
    But it was they who provided other people with the opportunity to "flirt" in the higher spheres, for it was they who smelted the metal, sowed the fields, cleaned the sewers, and shook the streets.

    That's right, Dmitry. Progress is generally the work of 2% of the population. But they couldn't exist without 98% of everyone else. But ... who would then move progress if it were not for these 2%?
  61. Plastmaster
    Plastmaster 8 June 2021 08: 31
    +5
    Quote: kalibr
    ... who would then move progress if it weren't for these 2%?

    Is there really none of the plow in these percentages? And you can also say that maybe this percentage class does not allow to raise its head?
  62. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 8 June 2021 09: 28
    +7
    Quote: kalibr

    That's right, Dmitry. Progress is generally the work of 2% of the population. But they couldn't exist without 98% of everyone else. But ... who would then move progress if it were not for these 2%?

    A holy place is never empty - 98% will allocate 2% from their environment for recreation
    And progress will go even faster. An example is the USSR in the 30-50s.
    But if there is no 98%, what will happen to 2%? Will die out like mammoths.
  63. your1970
    your1970 8 June 2021 17: 18
    -2
    Quote: Ezoterik
    It's easy to live without historians, poets, buffoons - artists,

    Hitler tried it - it turned out that the mass grows dull quickly, including a working man ... And this is a problem for the state ...
  64. Esoteric
    Esoteric 7 June 2021 11: 14
    +26
    Molotov - was born in the Kukarka settlement of the Kukar volost, was the sixth child out of seven in the family.
    Andrei Gromyko was born on July 18, 1909 in the village, the origin of the most "vile" as it was then expressed.
    In my opinion, these are diplomats whom the whole world recognized as such. From the very "bottom", and according to the concepts of the nobility of that time, only toilets could be cleaned.
  65. kalibr
    kalibr 7 June 2021 11: 39
    -25%
    And there were no others. "Others" have been worn out ... There is no one to compare with ...
  66. Essex62
    Essex62 9 June 2021 18: 01
    0
    Judging by the way you, not respected, here frankly drown for a return to class society, in addition to the current wild capitalism, not everyone has worn out.
    Such children cannot be trusted. Such a higher measure of social protection is not enough. They stepped even further than your foreign teachers. There is no need to tell tales about the workers' street, where they were supposedly born and lived. The psychology of rotten blue blood shines through and through.
  67. BAI
    BAI 7 June 2021 11: 17
    +22
    The son of a diplomat ROTATES IN THIS ENVIRONMENT FROM CHILD, he is HALF READY FOR THIS WORK.

    At the same time, he has already half absorbed all the shortcomings of the system, does not see them, considers them absolutely natural and, accordingly, does not consider it necessary to correct them. Therefore, our diplomacy is degrading before our eyes. Pro.with. Early. everything. Especially in the post-Soviet space. They sit at anniversaries and praise themselves.
  68. IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 7 June 2021 12: 13
    +14
    A very correct point of view. For example, the granddaughter of a certain Vyacheslav Olegovich Shpakovsky wants to go to MGIMO, she has nothing to do there, she did not come out as a breed. Let him hang around in a provincial university at some pedagogical school.
  69. kalibr
    kalibr 7 June 2021 12: 20
    -12%
    Makar! We did not send her to a special school, where I and my daughter studied. They didn’t give it away because the situation had changed. Although ... we could have shoved it there without difficulty. And she does not study at a provincial teacher's college, because ... the situation has changed. And she could easily study at MGIMO - the price is only money. But we did not see any sense in this. And she is studying to be an accountant at the Moscow University. Witte, branch. Easy, no problem, with a lot of free time, which is spent on self-education, sports and recreation. Times are changing, Makar, they are changing!
  70. IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 7 June 2021 12: 33
    +14
    What does the time have to do with it? I don’t need to praise my granddaughter. This is beside the point.
  71. kalibr
    kalibr 7 June 2021 13: 09
    -11%
    We once, Makar, have already discussed that you do not always understand what they write to you. "I don't need to praise my granddaughter. This is beside the point." Then why did you write this: "For example, the granddaughter of a certain Vyacheslav Olegovich Shpakovsky wants to go to MGIMO, she has nothing to do there, she did not come out as a breed." I just answered what you wrote to me.
  72. IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 7 June 2021 13: 15
    +9
    Quote: kalibr
    We once, Makar, have already discussed that you do not always understand what they write to you.

    Well yes. There is such a thing. It's getting harder and harder for me to understand all sorts of nonsense. I'm getting old apparently. smile
    Quote: kalibr
    Then why did you write this

    I just gave you an example of your logic. For some reason, you bumped into showing off your granddaughter. Well, OK. Congratulations if you're so lucky to have her. But again, this is beside the point.
  73. kalibr
    kalibr 7 June 2021 13: 32
    -15%
    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
    if you are so lucky with her

    Lucky, Makar is when you found a yellow leather wallet at the crossroads, and in it 10000 rubles. And here the natural result is that what they wanted, they got it, in accordance with their abilities, personal characteristics and the situation in society.
  74. IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 7 June 2021 14: 13
    +8
    You cannot praise yourself, no one will. Understand. But you apparently expect praise from me? OK. What a fine fellow you are, Vyacheslav Olegovich. Both the talented publicist historian and the granddaughter raised a clever girl, an athlete, an excellent student. Am I flattering enough?
  75. kalibr
    kalibr 7 June 2021 14: 17
    -13%
    Makar, I just don't need praise. Especially from you.
  76. IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 7 June 2021 14: 20
    +4
    Sorry. I tried very hard.
  77. kalibr
    kalibr 7 June 2021 14: 29
    -7
    For your efforts +
  78. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 7 June 2021 14: 07
    +9
    But if Mr. Shpakovsky had a granddaughter in those golden days of an agitator, he would have attached and then along the Komsomol-party line, without any distribution to the villages)))
  79. kalibr
    kalibr 7 June 2021 14: 19
    -12%
    Quote: Andrey VOV
    But if Mr. Shpakovsky had a granddaughter in those golden days of an agitator, he would have attached and then along the Komsomol-party line, without any distribution to the villages)))

    Without a doubt, Andrey! Revolutionary Larisa Reisner, what did she say while taking a bath of champagne? "We made the revolution for ourselves!" There is a possibility - you have to use it!
  80. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 7 June 2021 16: 01
    0
    Earlier, probably last year, in my opinion, they wrote that my granddaughter is in college. Has she already graduated and entered the university?
    Quote: kalibr
    Makar! We did not send her to a special school, where I and my daughter studied. They didn’t give it away because the situation had changed. Although ... we could have shoved it there without difficulty. And she does not study at a provincial teacher's college, because ... the situation has changed. And she could easily study at MGIMO - the price is only money. But we did not see any sense in this. And she is studying to be an accountant at the Moscow University. Witte, branch. Easy, no problem, with a lot of free time, which is spent on self-education, sports and recreation. Times are changing, Makar, they are changing!

    4 years ago there was a photo and wrote that the granddaughter was 12 years old, well, maybe a little more than 4 years old. And now --- studying? And how many years already?
  81. Undecim
    Undecim 7 June 2021 15: 32
    +18
    The son of a diplomat ROTATES IN THIS ENVIRONMENT FROM CHILD, he is HALF READY FOR THIS WORK. And the son of a hard worker still needs to be taught how to use a knife and fork!

    Yes Yes. And the son of a banker counts money from childhood, the son of a deputy from childhood composes laws, the son of a prosecutor from childhood makes sure that the laws invented by the son of a deputy are observed and by the end of school they are already half ready ...
    And the son of a sewer from childhood, in your opinion, in shit and half ready to continue the glorious dynasty of goldsmiths?
    In fact, you, Vyacheslav Olegovich, froze stupidity, sorry for being straightforward, because the level of intelligence and upbringing does not depend on the profession of the parents and the question of whether the son of a hard worker becomes a diplomat depends not only on his intellectual abilities, but also on whether he will provide him such an opportunity is the educational system that exists in a particular country.
    In order not to be told that I do not know what I am writing about, I have a very decent experience of communicating both with hard workers and their children, and with diplomats.
  82. Simon
    Simon 7 June 2021 19: 35
    +1
    Kalashnikov was also a hard worker, but he created a wonderful machine gun! Now the whole world uses and praises his invention. hi
  83. 210ox
    210ox 7 June 2021 20: 13
    +6
    Oh really?! These sons of diplomats are by and large concerned with enrichment - not knowledge, and not in their homeland.
  84. Plastmaster
    Plastmaster 8 June 2021 07: 48
    +1
    Quote: kalibr
    Quote: Ezoterik
    The son of a hard worker will never be able to enter MGIMO, even if he is the second Disraeli

    Why is he needed there? The son of a diplomat ROTATES IN THIS ENVIRONMENT FROM CHILD, he is HALF READY FOR THIS WORK. And the son of a hard worker still needs to be taught how to use a knife and fork!

    Good sarcasm. I don't even know what to put + or -. You can interpret it in different ways.
  85. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 8 June 2021 08: 41
    +3
    Quote: kalibr

    Why is he needed there? The son of a diplomat ROTATES IN THIS ENVIRONMENT FROM CHILD, he is HALF READY FOR THIS WORK. And the son of a hard worker still needs to be taught how to use a knife and fork!

    The bird can be seen from the flight, and Shpakovsky by his contempt for people, even for his readers.
  86. Bolt cutter
    Bolt cutter 8 June 2021 17: 11
    +1
    And the son of a hard worker still needs to be taught how to use a knife and fork!
    And the son of a forester-land surveyor created a Soviet nuclear shield. As for the spoon / fork he had, I don't know for sure.
  87. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 7 June 2021 11: 05
    +15
    I disagree ... a living example, I studied and lived in a hostel with a guy, he was a year older, he was really from a family and lived in the village of Svinushki, some kind of district of the Ryazan region. our university was transferred to MGIMO.
    Again, mostly young people like Sobchak study at MGIMO on a paid basis in faculties such as economics and so on ...
  88. sergey32
    sergey32 7 June 2021 19: 05
    +1
    When my third daughter entered MGIMO 2 years ago, I was just a simple hard worker who had lost my business before. She earned her tutors by unloading trucks. She went there on the budget, but preferred the HSE. The Unified State Exam is just a way of assessing knowledge and not the worst one. My eldest daughter graduated from Baumanka with honors, the middle one is now graduating from Sechenovka, will receive two honors diplomas - as a doctor and a medical translator. All went to the budget based on the results of the exam.
    A horse can be brought to a watering place, but it cannot be forced to drink.
    As for the quality of Soviet education, it was, of course, systemic. But how many people in the country with a high-quality Soviet education are whipping nonsense about vaccinations and chipping and do not go to get vaccinated. Meanwhile, every day we lose 400 souls and the vaccination centers are empty, without waiting for the dense and stubborn ones.
  89. sibiryk
    sibiryk 8 June 2021 10: 33
    +1
    Quote: Ezoterik
    But what about common sense and everyday experience? The son of a hard worker will never be able to enter MGIMO, even if he is the second Disraeli. This is simply impossible in practice, although theoretically the chances are equal.

    I personally know two people who entered MGIMO in 2019 and 2020, children from quite ordinary families, not from capitals and not from the families of diplomats, so everything is possible.
  90. Sfurei
    Sfurei 8 June 2021 15: 24
    0
    ".... The son of a hard worker, never, even if he is the second Disraeli, will not be able to enter MGIMO ...." - Not true ..
    It all depends on the contribution of parents to their children .. My father (with the education of 7 classes and my mother with the education of a medical school) has 9 brothers and sisters from the village. And only my brother and I received higher education from the whole number of cousins ​​and sisters, and the rest of the parents were on the drum (well, excuses that poor education and all that).
    My wife (parents: driver and librarian) is from a remote Siberian village 270 km to the city. And she and all three sisters received higher education and moved to cities (Moscow and Novosib) because their parents invested in them in full.
    The wife, by the way, took the exam and graduated from school with a silver medal and a red diploma from the institute .. So, if parents push their children to study and development, then the children will achieve something, and if not, then the exam and the state exam - nothing will not help..
  • tatarin1972
    tatarin1972 7 June 2021 11: 42
    0
    There are sailors about whom they say: "I love the sea from the shore, and the storm is in the picture!"
  • 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 7 June 2021 12: 30
    +5
    and only a former minister can write about the actions of a minister? do not exaggerate, to assess the quality of actions, it is not necessary to be in someone else's place ... just judge by the result ..
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 7 June 2021 12: 36
      -14%
      Quote: Level 2 Advisor
      it's enough to judge by the result.

      Not enough. Mussolini built italians simply gorgeous roads ... We never dreamed of such! And they hung him up his legs ...
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 7 June 2021 14: 22
        +2
        speak logically and correctly ... however, the power of the crowd is not logical and not correct .. but! for the Italians was Mussolini bad? or Hitler for the Germans? after all, you or I do not evaluate them as citizens of these countries .. it turns out we have no right to adequately assess?
      2. kalibr
        kalibr 7 June 2021 14: 27
        -9
        We, Nikolai, estimate from our bell tower. Italians with their ... That's all. But ... where did the speech begin? From what I wrote: I know officers and engineers, I read about them, but I do not consider it possible to write about them, because I was not in their shoes and I do not know their business to the subtlety. I write only with documents confirming my point of view. And in our country, people who have not worked there for a single day write about schools and universities, from hearsay. What is their adequate assessment? And I do not see the documents and links to them.
    2. jncnfdybr
      jncnfdybr 7 June 2021 15: 34
      +3
      Well, we did the right thing. There is a road for the Fascist. It is a pity that for the legs and not for the balls.)
  • Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 7 June 2021 12: 16
    0
    Quote: kalibr
    Outwardly, a lot of things seem, although in fact the situation takes place exactly the opposite.

    You are absolutely right: there is only a lot for many it seems, but in fact - everything is quite the opposite. Remember Lenin's catchphrase: "Formally correct, but essentially a mockery"? So it is here. The article is built around the figure of Daniil Milokhin, who is undoubtedly Mr.. As did the one who brought him. And there are problems with education (and not only!) In Russia today. But how can one build theories around Danya's figure? I do not understand. As well as I do not understand why it is impossible to build theories around the figures of the winners mentioned in the article. Although the truth, I suppose, is somewhere in between.
  • zenion
    zenion 7 June 2021 15: 56
    +6
    kalibr (Vyacheslav). There are people who do not know anything, but give a two, because there are no such aliens. There are people who do not know, but they compose flights into space, other worlds and everyone believes them and makes pictures. So there is also a statement by Einstein, who said - everyone knows that this cannot be, then an ignorant comes who does not know this and makes a discovery. One Frenchman said it is not necessary to eat an egg that has gone bad in order to find out that it is spoiled, it is enough to smell it. You don't have to be a teacher to know a lot about teaching, just compare with what you know from your studies. Children used to learn the multiplication table. Now all you have to do is pull a hint out of your pocket and everything is okay.
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 7 June 2021 11: 08
    -2
    I'm afraid here 99 percent have no idea how everything works now. Have not heard about job fairs, recruiting and so on.
  • BAI
    BAI 7 June 2021 11: 12
    +4
    But everyone who is not lazy writes about the work of teachers, not a day at school at work. It is not right!

    They write because it is believed that everyone can play football, run the state and raise children. Look how many articles on the site about state administration and military development (policy in the field of ensuring the security of the state). And are there many members of the Government among the authors?
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 7 June 2021 11: 41
      -8
      Quote: BAI
      Look how many articles on the site about state administration and military development (policy in the field of ensuring the security of the state).

      And this is bad!
      1. BAI
        BAI 7 June 2021 12: 39
        +10
        Why should professionals of this level write something here? I remember very well how a few years ago there was an article about military missile technology. And how the local field marshals pecked the author, convicting him of incompetence. They were not even alarmed by the phrase from the article: "I went to the head of the department of the military-industrial commission (name). The dearest man." Ordinary people do not go to the head of the military-industrial complex! The author of the article was the head of the 4th Central Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation - the leading research institute of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for missiles, Major General (real), Doctor of Technical Sciences. He is an acknowledged expert in military missile technology. Why he was brought here is unknown. Its audience is the Central Office of the Ministry of Defense, the Government, the President. The only explanation is that he had to speak to the same fools from the Ministry of Finance, who do not understand anything about this, but since they are sitting on money, they consider themselves experts in this matter. That is to say, an intelligent person had to prepare for stupid questions.
        And now it is not necessary to prepare for stupid questions. So there are no competent articles. Written by graphomaniacs who imagine themselves to be statesmen.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 June 2021 16: 28
      0
      And most of these articles are in fact empty - so wishlist and scribble of one day.
    3. Titus_2
      Titus_2 8 June 2021 00: 19
      0
      No, everyone sees the results and compares them with what happened, but they write because they worry about where our children live after us.
  • Aleks2048
    Aleks2048 7 June 2021 13: 03
    -1
    But everyone who is not lazy writes about the work of teachers, not a day at school at work. It is not right!

    But no. I think that few people understand the intricacies of the work of modern electronics, but the vast majority of people have a TV, quite a good phone, a computer, a washing machine, a microwave oven, after all, a car, easily ride trains and fly in airplanes, etc. ... and this ignorance in full measure of the laws on which it all functions does not prevent people from drawing conclusions about this or that thing, recommending it for use, and so on. None of those present at the forum was a president and we either praise ourselves or do not approve of the actions of the head, and according to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, we can also expel the current one and replace it with another. Something like this. And the conclusion is simple, if, for various reasons, you yourself do not want to express opinions, then you do not need to shut up others.
    For example, I do not understand well how the Unified State Exam relates to the fight against corruption, but in general I probably do not mind the Unified State Exam as it has become now, because it is difficult to guess the answers for today. Well, they will remove the exam, but they will leave some other version of the exam completely without an exam anyway.
  • Per se.
    Per se. 7 June 2021 14: 20
    +4
    Quote: kalibr
    But everyone who is not lazy writes about the work of teachers, not a day at school at work. It is not right!
    Sorry, Vyacheslav, according to this logic, and only its officials can speak about our government.

    The work of teachers, like doctors, affects everyone, and everyone faces this. How can one judge this, if everyone took a direct part in this from school years and further, in a technical school, a university? You were not "brought down" on tests, some "senior teacher" offended by life forever, or an arrogant associate professor, did not go to the department out of despair to pass the subject? And doctors, registries, hospitals, this concerns everyone.

    I, left without a father at the age of 13, my mother is a primary school teacher, all the time at school. I don’t know who I could have become when we walked with the boys, the same fatherless, with pigs and smoked at school. But, the day came when they told me in front of all the guys, "look at him, and his mother is a teacher" ... It was not a shame in front of the bitch-head teacher, it was ashamed that because of me they could think badly of my mother , I was ashamed of the memory of my deceased father. Nevertheless, thank you for experiencing this, this kind of pedagogy in our Soviet school. I think many people have something to remember, many of them were directly affected by education and healthcare.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 7 June 2021 15: 23
      -6
      According to my logic, anyone can speak. But only officials know the power deeply, as do doctors know medicine, workers know the factory, and officers know the army. You see it all from the outside. People of this system from the inside. Have you been "thrown" in the exam? And why, with what it is connected ... You do not know. And there was, say, a call from the vice-rector: to reduce the size of the group in order to take an additional ... "our own." Here you are, and fell under the distribution. You cannot know this, the people of the system can. But after listening to you, the deaf will start writing about music, and the blind will criticize painting!
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 7 June 2021 16: 25
        +6
        Quote: kalibr
        Have you been "thrown" in the exam?
        No, they didn’t take the exam, it’s just that the senior researcher admitted only what he read at the lectures. He rejected references to textbooks and scientific works of prominent specialists with a phrase - and everything is not correct there. By the way, at the department I passed everything the first time, but already to another teacher. These are the memories.

        Your opinion, Vyacheslav, this is just an opinion, like mine. To discuss, I see, is useless. If we met, while studying, I suspect the plot would be repeated. Fortunately, I won't go on reconnaissance with you. All the best to you.
  • Che-RT
    Che-RT 9 June 2021 10: 51
    0
    I agree with you about the "motive" of the article - for the sake of the popular trend. However, I don’t share your idea “if you didn’t participate, be quiet”. A fresh outside look sometimes allows you to see what no professional is able to see.
  • Avalex
    Avalex 9 June 2021 11: 00
    0
    As a father of 5 children and as a former teacher, I will say this: this writer, even inside out, cannot really turn it out. Everything is not perfect, of course, but not nearly as sad as the author wishes to present. The Unified State Exam is the right direction and needs to be improved. On the exam, they do NOT require more than what they teach, but also a sufficient amount, within the allotted time. I think that the system needs to be improved and transition exams should be introduced from the 6th grade according to the OGE type.
  • Che-RT
    Che-RT 9 June 2021 10: 41
    0
    Come on, wail to you. You might think that before the introduction of the Unified State Exam, everyone was distinguished by some kind of special intelligence and ingenuity. If you look around carefully, you will be surprised to realize that 99% of professions require school knowledge for a maximum of grade 3. True, to realize this, as follows from the article, an individual, at least, had to avoid this very exam. :-) This world is pushed forward by a few, not by millions. Don't be fooled. As far as the masses are concerned, one should deal not so much with their education as with ideological education.
  • Bashkirkhan
    Bashkirkhan 7 June 2021 06: 27
    0
    Quote: Dead Day
    there will be a "breakthrough" ... there will be ... but where?

    The breakthrough Soviet technologies of "charging water at the Soviet TV" have already been lost, fewer and fewer people are turning to psychics, magicians and sorcerers. These were really unique technologies that had no analogues in the world, as soon as an educated Soviet person faced something that went beyond the limits of his skills and abilities, as well as for the basic course of Marxism-Leninism - he began to charge cans of water and carry the last money to various MMM ... In general, when soulless Americans pass their stupid tests, it's bad, but when our Soviet people charge their banks, it's good, and our education was one of the best.
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    2. Esoteric
      Esoteric 7 June 2021 11: 29
      +5
      Oh my god. And then the loan. They teach something to this lewdness. Although, on the other hand, having solved such problems, you can understand how the bank profits in a usurious way, and that you will give almost twice more than you took.
      You cannot take loans, never and under any circumstances. If you cannot buy a thing, give it up, or save it up little by little. It is naturally desirable to save in gold equivalent, no bank accounts.
      In the Soviet Union, my parents had 20 rubles in their savings bank, a huge amount at that time. Guess what happened to them? A very good vaccination from banks.
  • Civil
    Civil 7 June 2021 09: 35
    +9
    I completely agree with the author. And invited to SPIEF-21, semi-poker has 12 subscribers in tiktok. This is the finished result of degradation ...
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 7 June 2021 11: 10
      -14%
      The whole trick is that you are not prevented from becoming the same and making a million a month)
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 7 June 2021 12: 40
        +8
        not everyone wants to be clowns .. (by a clown I mean, the one who entertains the crowd) even a highly paid clown ... someone just doesn't like it ..
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 7 June 2021 13: 37
          -10%
          And who is talking about clowns?) You can show there, for example, how to fix pipes) or what you can do there)
          1. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 7 June 2021 14: 11
            +6
            porn actresses work too cool, after all normally the dough raises or there drug dealers .. do they earn the same norms? personally, I earn in purely legal ways that I am proud and the fact that people come to me is the best confirmation .. and I earn this Tiktoker much less .. but I have enough for life and I don’t envy him in any way and I don’t want to be clowns even if at 3 times more will be paid .. dad who do you work? clown. ugh tiktoker ... laughing
      2. Civil
        Civil 8 June 2021 06: 31
        +3
        Quote: carstorm 11
        The whole trick is that you are not prevented from becoming the same and making a million a month)

        Dear, don't you want to earn money with a poker yourself? Why are you sitting here?
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 8 June 2021 08: 55
          -5
          Polupoker?)))) Not all of them are weirdos. Not all are finished there. Would you cover up your envy, huh?
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 June 2021 16: 32
      -1
      They can subscribe to it in other countries, and where did you get the idea that all of its subscribers are degradants - they themselves checked each one?
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 June 2021 16: 36
      -3
      And he made this Tiktoker the face of SPIEF-21 precisely because of the presence of these 12800000 subscribers - just to attract attention to the event.
  • NIKN
    NIKN 7 June 2021 10: 39
    +6
    So everything is correct in general and there seems to be nothing to argue about. Only in modern realities it is no longer important for the Unified State Exam or the school of the USSR, the system will remain. There are no problems in today's realities to filter the bottom from the top and the oral exam will give even more opportunities for this. It's about the system and the people who are in power. I don’t think that the level of education will change. Here, how to change the font in the title, but the essence will not change, this is a systemic problem, it was not just that it was created and promoted by those who needed it.
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 7 June 2021 13: 29
    -1
    Quote: Dead Day
    yes, that's right, and it's scary ...

    I teach my children on "family education", up to the 5th grade, according to old Soviet textbooks purchased from the "Stalin Primer" project, the difference with modern textbooks is very indicative. The most time-consuming "war" is with the education department. The impression is that they do not read the laws at all.
  • SERGE ANT
    SERGE ANT 7 June 2021 06: 01
    +30
    Quote: U-58
    the same Soviet high school

    While we are celebrating 20 years of the Unified State Exam, in England children are now being taught according to the brilliant textbooks of Landau and Kolmogorov. Textbooks were translated into English extremely scrupulously, their content has been completely preserved without any distortions. And as a result of the transition to the Soviet education system, the level of knowledge received by British students was much higher than the indicators demonstrated by graduates of the most prestigious schools in continental Europe. It is known that the British selected the best educational methods around the world. The education system in the USSR and its successes were highly rated. Today's British academics are far more proficient than graduates from the most respected European universities, and the world's most influential people are educated at Eton College. Presidents, prime ministers, big businessmen from different countries strive to arrange their children here. Meanwhile, teaching using the Soviet system has been practiced here since 1995.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 7 June 2021 09: 12
      +4
      Quote: SERGE ant
      It is known that the British selected the best educational methods around the world.

      Than the British are different, they select the best in the world.
    2. Prometheus
      Prometheus 7 June 2021 10: 39
      +7
      Landau textbooks
      -
      British schoolchildren

      However, Landau's textbooks were intended for universities, not for schools.

      the level of knowledge acquired by British students turned out to be much higher in comparison with the indicators demonstrated by graduates of the most prestigious schools in continental Europe.
      - This is an excerpt from an article by Novye Izvestia, allegedly from an interview with Justin Greening, the former Minister of Education in the government of Theresa May in 2016-2018. But neither in this article, nor on other sites publishing this quote, there are no links to the original source. As well as there is no such information / interview on the website of the BBC and the British Ministry of Education.

      https://panorama.pub/8018-velikobritaniya-zavershila.html а вот и первоисточник, откуда эта информация пошла гулять по Рунету. ИА "Панорама", сатирический портал с вымышленными новостями.

      Although some of the Soviet experience was adopted in Britain. Specialized mathematical pre-university schools, such as our SSC MSU. Since 2014, 2 schools with physics and mathematics have been operating. bias: King's College London Mathematics School and Exeter Mathematics School. They study there for the last 2 years before entering the university.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 7 June 2021 06: 14
    +8
    Quote: U-58
    Cancellation of the exam will not add knowledge ...

    Who knows ... So much precious time is wasted preparing for this test. It could be spent much more profitably.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 7 June 2021 08: 42
      +2
      Quote: Doccor18
      So much precious time is wasted preparing for this test. It could be spent much more profitably.

      Nature has determined not so much time for a person to master different knowledge. "Mowgli", found in different places at the age of ten, are unable to learn to speak, to adapt to the human environment.

      Preparation for the Unified State Exam, the Internet with their tick-tokens and other rubbish, steal time and do not allow to properly master the inherent potential of everyone. They hinder the development of schoolchildren ...

      The consequences of this are the collapse of the entire infrastructure of society, which will undoubtedly have a negative impact on the life of everyone, including the "elite" who have brought society to a bestial state with their own hands ...

      An illiterate people not only will not be able to operate a nuclear power plant, they will not even be able to light a kerosene stove, so that the house would not be burned.



      Fires throughout Russia are also the result of this education (USE).

      But, before talking about education and its reform, we need to decide what we are building and what kind of knowledge the builders of this future will have to possess. Without this, all the talk about it does not make sense.
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 7 June 2021 08: 57
        +9
        Quote: Boris55
        But, before talking about education and its reform, we need to decide what we are building and what kind of knowledge the builders of this future will have to possess. Without this, all the talk about it does not make sense.

        I am not a philosopher or a state strategist, I cannot say what will happen in the future, what kind of person the state of the future will need, but I EXACTLY know that in the Soviet school I was taught to think. And 40 years after leaving school, my mother helped her grandson with the Russian language, before he entered the university. And I easily explained the school curriculum to my children, grade up to 7-8, then, however, I had to learn / remember myself (I'm far from my mother's level).
        I doubt very much that "Unified State Exam Parents" will be able to help their children with the school course ...
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 7 June 2021 09: 03
          +2
          Quote: Doccor18
          I doubt very much that "Unified State Exam Parents" will be able to help their children with the school course ...

          These "Unified State Exam parents" will come to the Duma in the fall, what laws they are adopting, by which we all will have to live ... sad
          1. Doccor18
            Doccor18 7 June 2021 09: 06
            +5
            Quote: Boris55
            It is much more terrible when these "Unified State Exam parents" come to the Duma, what laws they are adopting, according to which we all have to live ... sad

            There are others sitting there, more terrible than the "exam" ... Smart. They know what they are doing.
    2. qQQQ
      qQQQ 7 June 2021 08: 55
      +1
      Quote: Doccor18
      Who knows ... So much precious time is wasted preparing for this test. It could be spent much more profitably.

      Indeed, one could go and earn money in order to pay off as a bribe when entering a university. Only knowledge from this will only be less, and someone will earn more.
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 7 June 2021 09: 04
        +3
        Quote: qqqq
        Indeed, one could go and earn money in order to pay off as a bribe when entering a university. Only knowledge from this will only be less, and someone will earn more.

        And how we all got higher education, I don’t know ...
        1. qQQQ
          qQQQ 7 June 2021 09: 12
          +3
          Quote: Doccor18
          And how we all got higher education, I don’t know ...

          I entered those. The university, there really was everything to be honest, but in the nurse's office, after the question of where she came from, it was directly said that she would not enter here. You just probably don’t know how the professorship was engaged in tutoring with applicants, ensuring then admission, which was essentially a veiled bribe. In the USSR, applicants were accommodated in dormitories, which has now become almost impossible, almost every family could afford to pay for travel and accommodation at that time, now this opportunity has become very narrow, etc. The USE is, first of all, an opportunity, with a meager family budget, to enter any university in the country, if the level of your knowledge allows it.
          1. Doccor18
            Doccor18 7 June 2021 13: 05
            +1
            Quote: qqqq
            ... if your level of knowledge allows it.

            Here! This is a key offer! If it allows, but where is this level, when parents and grandmothers are always at work, textbooks without normal explanations of the topic, and the teacher is either frightened and tortured after 10-12 lessons, or insolently-naughty, and "explains only once for everyone, and who I did not understand, this is his problem "... And for the last two years at school, instead of diligently studying a difficult program, the children frantically prepare themselves, as best they can, for this test ...

            Quote: qqqq
            The Unified State Exam is, first of all, an opportunity, with a meager family budget, to enter any university in the country

            I partially agree with you (practically - not in any one), but "by eradicating corruption in educational institutions", "for some reason" the level of education is falling, falling from year to year ...
            1. qQQQ
              qQQQ 7 June 2021 15: 56
              +2
              Quote: Doccor18
              Here! This is a key offer! If it allows, but where is this level, when parents and grandmothers are always at work, textbooks without normal explanations of the topic, and the teacher is either frightened and tortured after 10-12 lessons, or insolently-naughty, and "explains only once for everyone, and who I did not understand, this is his problem "... And for the last two years at school, instead of diligently studying a difficult program, the children frantically prepare themselves, as best they can, for this test ...

              I completely agree with this, but this just speaks in favor of the Unified State Exam, under such conditions, only a tutor. Yes, this is money, but it is cheaper than the same tutor, only when preparing an exam for a specific university (they take more for an academic degree, the so-called veiled bribe).
              Quote: Doccor18
              I partially agree with you (practically - not in any one), but "by eradicating corruption in educational institutions", "for some reason" the level of education is falling, falling from year to year ...

              Again, this is not from the USE, but from the level of teaching, and more specifically they take money for grades, they would not take and simultaneously cancel the paid students, then after the first session there would be a screening out of excess ones, but it is impossible, the university must have a certain number of students, otherwise it will be closed. but the quality is not particularly looked at.
    3. Cosm22
      Cosm22 7 June 2021 09: 00
      +2
      Not so simple.
      At one time, I had to study at two Soviet universities. And I remember very well how much precious time was taken from the students by all these istmata-diamats-scientific communisms-the history of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and other slag. How long did it take to write annotations that no one needed, to quote the classics of Marxism-Leninism.
      And all this is at the expense of a professional curriculum. For all these "isms" took away academic hours from the special course, which was only required for a competent engineer.
      So if sometimes excellent specialists in their field came out of the walls of technical universities, it is not because of, but in spite of the Soviet system of education.
      For me personally, Soviet institutions did not give me anything of value, except for the ability to work with literature. Subsequently, I acquired real knowledge on my own, but the institute base was ridiculous.
      Yes, the institute is not a school. But the analogy is visible. Teaching in the Soviet school did not differ in depth either. Any literary work, for example, was interpreted in a rigid ideological framework. This, they say, the author wanted to show, with this method he opened this topic. It was only necessary to answer at the blackboard in this key. The child was forbidden to think independently. For this, all sorts of anthologies, etc., were invented.
      1. qQQQ
        qQQQ 7 June 2021 09: 15
        +2
        Quote: Cosm22
        So if sometimes excellent specialists in their field came out of the walls of technical universities, it is not because of, but in spite of the Soviet system of education.

        I agree about the abstracts, but the level of knowledge under the Soviet system, especially in comparison with the modern one, is just space. With the correct formulation of the case, all notes on the humanities took every two days, no more than one hour, do not exaggerate. Drawing and calculus took the most time.
        1. Cosm22
          Cosm22 7 June 2021 09: 26
          0
          What knowledge? Scientific atheism? By the way, the teachers of this discipline were rather greyhound and became ardent adherents of the church. Fortunately, today it is fashionable.
          As for drawing, strength of materials, theory of elasticity and other purely technical disciplines, there was much more sense from studying them than from studying the history of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union or dialectical materials.
          1. qQQQ
            qQQQ 7 June 2021 09: 55
            +2
            Quote: Cosm22
            What knowledge? Scientific atheism?

            The standard of higher education at that time assumed a certain level of knowledge in all subjects, including scientific atheism. Do not exaggerate the problem of the humanities in those. University, after the second year, nothing of them was left, and the first two are a set of basic subjects in any higher institution. I don't want to offend anyone, but my suspicions creep in that you haven't been at the university for more than two years.
            1. Cosm22
              Cosm22 7 June 2021 12: 55
              -2
              I can roughly tell you from memory the percentage of the number of academic hours devoted to a special course in comparison with the rest of the subjects in the FIFTH year of the mechanical faculty of the Institute of Chemical Technology.
              By the way, as for the rest of the subjects (fortunately not humanitarian and ideological), the teaching methodology left much to be desired. I can only repeat myself: the subsequent self-education gave me orders of magnitude more knowledge than 2 graduated universities. And if I had focused on him from the very beginning (in parallel with studying at the university), then I would not have stood like a ram on the first day of my stay in the shop. But the basic, basic concepts of the intricacies of production and technical details I had to get exactly at the university. Instead, my head was rosinized with the benefits of the planned economy of socialism. After all, even our economy had an ideological connotation. Not just what they studied - political economy! You need to understand!
              I am generally silent about the quality of teaching a foreign language, it sucks, I had the opportunity to compare in different institutes (by the way, at school it was the same way). I am not talking about MIPT or Moscow State University, we are talking about average universities.
              By the way, how is this planned economy, which we have studied with such zeal, doing today? And at the defense of the diploma, economic calculations were hung on the board next to the technical drawings?
              And how does a country feel, which with such a powerful weapon as the socialist economy should have long ago defeated accursed capitalism? Has she even remained on the political map of the world?
              1. qQQQ
                qQQQ 7 June 2021 15: 48
                0
                Quote: Cosm22
                Instead, my head was rosinized with the benefits of the planned economy of socialism.

                I don’t know what your rosin was there, but we had, I don’t remember exactly, but no more than two semesters of economics, in which we were given specific economic methods of organizing production, plus in the diploma a separate section on the economic component, that's all with economics, and The history of the CPSU ended with us in the first year, in the second there was ML philosophy, and that's all with history again, I don't know why the course of the history of the CPSU made you so angry, I personally remember it with humor.
                1. Cosm22
                  Cosm22 7 June 2021 16: 30
                  +2
                  All this is fine, but it does not remove the question: why did I need all this rubbish, which they stuffed our heads with at the institute?
                  Okay, the history of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and all sorts of "isms". But after all, theses about the undoubted superiority of the socialist economy were hammered into our heads with a serious look!
                  So I ask: was that taught? Was the lion's share of the training hours spent on that?
                  Is the correctness of these postulates confirmed by time? Or they, these postulates have sunk into oblivion together with the state in which they were cultivated?
                  Then what was I wasting my precious time on?
                  What for???
                  1. qQQQ
                    qQQQ 7 June 2021 16: 41
                    +1
                    Quote: Cosm22
                    But after all, theses about the undoubted superiority of the socialist economy were hammered into our heads with a serious look!

                    You know, for me personally, as a techie, no one has proven the unequivocal advantages of a market economy, each model has its own pros and cons. The problem of the USSR, in my opinion, was that they turned a blind eye to the minuses, and the pluses were not used to the fullest.
      2. region58
        region58 8 June 2021 23: 58
        0
        Quote: Cosm22
        except for the ability to work with literature. Later I got real knowledge on my own,

        So this is the most important thing in learning - you have been taught to learn.
        PS Someone from the ancient and wise said: a disciple is not a vessel that needs to be filled, it is a torch that needs to be set on fire.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 7 June 2021 06: 18
    +18
    Moreover, we must fight not with the USE system, but with the teaching system at school.
    with the system that invented this system. The system will not fight with itself.
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  • qQQQ
    qQQQ 7 June 2021 08: 53
    +5
    Quote: U-58
    Cancellation of the exam will not add knowledge ...

    Namely, and the Unified State Exam, correctly noted, made it possible to transfer corruption to a lower level, and there it is much easier to fight it. I have already written more than once that the exam to a prestigious university was taken practically only by those who had a professor from this institution as a tutor and the price of the issue was more than a tutor on the exam. The Unified State Exam itself allows smart children from the most remote regions to enter any university in the country, and given the distance, not everyone can afford to provide travel and accommodation to pass traditional exams. And about knowledge, you try to solve tasks in the exact sciences, all who are engaged in the preparation, relying on their own strength, are quite literate children. I talked with those who are preparing for humanitarian exams, the level of knowledge is impressive. The problem is that there are regions where you can take the Unified State Exam using the Internet and an assistant, but this is there and this needs to be addressed. And yet, very often they show frankly stupid ones who study at a university, but this is the problem of our higher education, that universities have spawned, and for their existence you need a number, and when there is a shortage, then they row anyone. In general, given our realities, as it was correctly noted, the abolition of the exam will not add knowledge, it will only get worse and more expensive for everyone.
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    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 7 June 2021 12: 18
      +8
      Regarding Milokhin, to call a person who has saved up for himself on Maybach stupid?

      German Gref loves Danya very much, just very, very yes According to eyewitnesses, when two people meet, it is clear that .. Heman loves Danya very much belay
      Then who is the author of this article?
      Straight. It is unlikely that close communication with Gref shines for him sad
      PS Do you need leather Maybach?
      1. Trickster
        Trickster 7 June 2021 12: 41
        -10%
        Danya saved up on Maybach long before he became the PR face of Gref. But what the first thing you think about is homosexuality - speaks in the first place about you.
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 7 June 2021 12: 44
          +5
          the first thing you think about is homosexuality - speaks in the first place about you.
          Oops, even fans of this cock come in here. Don't be jealous of your idol for an hour wassat ?
          became the PR face of Gref
          You missed the letter "d" in the word "PR" lol Purely from my point of view, it is wrong to change the orientation on Maybach No.

          Here is your idol in person. Earns on gasoline yes and is not shy about it.
          1. Trickster
            Trickster 7 June 2021 13: 08
            -11%
            He is not my idol. It's just funny to watch an envious redneck who judges others by himself.
            1. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 7 June 2021 13: 13
              +4
              It's just fun to watch an envious redneck
              In my case, mocking wassat And the envious one writes to me. How is it with the move from Russia by the way? tongue
    2. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 7 June 2021 12: 52
      +6
      but what about for example porn actresses? they, too, can save up on Maybach .. propose to admire them and all to strive there?
  • paul3390
    paul3390 7 June 2021 14: 10
    +1
    what is needed is the same Soviet secondary school that for decades has provided the country with literate citizens.

    And why are the new RF literate citizens, then? They said clearly - we need qualified consumers. To do this, it is enough to be able to read from a smartphone and place an Internet order. Everything else - only confuses fragile minds .. You see, give them knowledge ...
  • Hlavaty
    Hlavaty 7 June 2021 20: 25
    0
    Quote: U-58
    we must fight not with the USE system, but with the teaching system at school

    For some reason, in your reasoning, you stopped halfway: the teaching system at school is a part of the state system, which forms the order for the education system.
    And capitalism orders just such a duped "qualified consumer". It is they who generate the main part of the PROFITS so beloved by the capitalist !!! For the sake of which the capitalist is ready for any crime, and not that for the collapse of some kind of education there.
  • your1970
    your1970 8 June 2021 17: 02
    0
    Quote: U-58
    what is needed is the same Soviet secondary school that for decades has provided the country with literate citizens.

    I will remind you for the hundredth time - and then MILLIONS (!!!!!!!)))these literate citizens sat and charged water in front of the TV
  • Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 11 June 2021 10: 59
    0
    Quote: U-58
    Everything is correct. But this is the cry of one crying in the wilderness.

    That's for sure !
    then 68% of Russians would like to have the GE canceled. And if we take the parents of graduating school students, then the percentage there is even higher: 83.

    A large percentage of the country's inhabitants were against the collapse of the Union!

    But who takes this into account ?! They take into account how the hero Vitsin issues tickets!
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 7 June 2021 05: 27
    +15
    The ruling class of Russia, that is, the capitalists do not need many smart and educated people, they will understand what is really happening, and with such an education, the majority will be like Danka Milokhin, as it is correctly written in the article, we have a well-developed continuity))) posts of the fathers are their children occupied both in politics and in art and in government, do they really think that we will endure everything? I personally believe that nothing good awaits Russia in the near future.
    1. forty-eighth
      forty-eighth 7 June 2021 05: 35
      +7
      we will endure everything

      We will endure, we will endure. All impatient Rosgvardia will tell about the vicissitudes of life.
    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 7 June 2021 05: 52
      +4
      Quote: Pessimist22
      The ruling class of Russia, that is, the capitalists do not need many smart and educated people, they will understand what is really happening, and with such an education, the majority will be like Danka Milokhin, as it is correctly written in the article, we have a well-developed continuity))) posts of the fathers are their children occupied both in politics and in art and in government, do they really think that we will endure everything? I personally believe that nothing good awaits Russia in the near future.

      if we add to this artificial "pandemics", then yes .. a one-way ticket. apparently the "golden billion" turned on his millstones.
    3. parusnik
      parusnik 7 June 2021 06: 16
      +13
      fathers are occupied by their children
      The first thing that came to mind: the Patrushevs.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 7 June 2021 06: 30
        +11
        Quote: parusnik
        fathers are occupied by their children
        The first thing that came to mind: the Patrushevs.

        brilliant children ... son of Rogozin ...
      2. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 7 June 2021 06: 30
        +14
        Skuratov, Fradkov, Kozak, Zhukov, Bortnikov, Ivanov, Gref, Tuleyev .....
      3. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 7 June 2021 11: 11
        -7
        In vain, Patrushev is a very decent Minister of Agriculture
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 7 June 2021 12: 56
          +4
          maybe so .. but would he be without dad? and is he not taking the place of a much stronger minister who does not have such a pope?
      4. stylet
        stylet 9 June 2021 11: 21
        0
        Ivanka Trump was also forgotten
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 7 June 2021 05: 38
    +12
    there are separate areas where to pass the exam for 100 points is a piece of cake
    I agree with the author, and as an example, Dagestan - Unified State Exam in Russian language... And about the face of the forum I agree 200%. What was it? Degradation in the minds of the organizers or flirting with Western guests in order to show our tolerance?
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 7 June 2021 05: 56
      +9
      Quote: rotmistr60
      there are separate areas where to pass the exam for 100 points is a piece of cake
      I agree with the author, and as an example, Dagestan - Unified State Exam in Russian language... And about the face of the forum I agree 200%. What was it? Degradation in the minds of the organizers or flirting with Western guests in order to show our tolerance?

      ha ... and if you look "deeper and wider"? Do you know how much they pay for the same gas in the Caucasus and the Urals? it looks like we pay for ourselves and for them. oh ... it's better not to develop the topic.
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  • Old electrician
    Old electrician 7 June 2021 05: 44
    +15
    USE as it is.
    The main argument in favor of the Unified State Exam is that the Ministry of Education and Science of the Russian Federation has officially recognized that it is allegedly unable to defeat corruption in 3137 Russian universities, of which 1168 are commercial sharashkin offices for issuing diplomas (data as of January 2015). At the same time, the Ministry of Education and Science of the Russian Federation guarantees the holding of a fair, corruption-free Unified State Exam in 44100 schools.
    If the purpose of the Unified State Exam is the fight against corruption, then why not introduce it in universities? Isn't that much easier? One of two things: either the Ministry of Education is just idiots, or the Ministry of Education considers us idiots. I really liked the performance on zomboyaschik by the headmistress of one of the schools, either in Uryupinsk or in Mukho (I don't remember what the name of this city sounds like next):
    - Finally, OUR children will be able to enter prestigious universities!

    - I don't doubt it for a second! Her children can!
    Only an extremely naive person can believe in the fairy tale of the Ministry of Education that the purpose of the exam is the fight against corruption. Much more real is that schools have finally been given a chance to participate in cutting the dough. Moreover, the draconian measures to control the USE only raise the price bar. So, for example, from year to year, schools in the Caucasus give the highest score in the Russian Federation on the Unified State Examination of the Russian language. Obviously, the Unified State Exam is an inherently corrupt system. The only question is who can pay how much. Soon, schoolchildren will be stripped naked at the entrance to the examination class, which will only have a more favorable effect on the incomes of strictly defined individuals.
    The results of the exam.
    Of the entire stream (50 people), none could name the formula for the circumference. And I’m not teaching the humanities! It is immediately clear that America is our ideal! But for now we are still lagging behind. Obama, for example, also promised to ensure universal literacy in the United States from the age of 12. But alas! It didn’t grow together! And here, unfortunately, for the Ministry of Education, first-graders still know how to read and write! A flaw, however.
    I instruct students to build an Excel spreadsheet to convert ounces to kilograms and vice versa. Checking. The result is amazing! In the algorithm for calculating the table, there is a formula like "E is equal to emtse square." I ask - where does this nonsense come from? !!! The answer is from the Internet !!! I say in the manual it is given that an ounce is 31,1035 g. What are the problems? !!! The answer is that we have been studying mathematics for a long time !!!
    Result: out of 54 people, more than half used the "formula" from the Internet. 75% of the rest transferred 31,1035 g as 0,311035 kg.
    I don’t teach arithmetic, so I don’t give two for such answers. It is foolish to be offended by students who are forced to get higher education without a secondary education!
    Results. A graduate of a technical university, an excellent student of the Unified State Exam, was taken to the company for the manufacture of Euro windows. But, bad luck: the company buys glass, measured in square meters, and produces glass products, measured in square millimeters. The graduate of the university and the excellent student of the Unified State Exam was not able to translate one into another. Moreover. No matter how they tried to explain to her what it is and why all this is needed, she never entered the topic. Therefore, they wrote her a "formula", according to which this excellent student is stupidly like a monkey performing calculations, but with the use of a PC.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 7 June 2021 06: 10
      +3
      many watchmen of federal channels are sure of this:
    2. Doctor
      Doctor 7 June 2021 08: 24
      +3
      If the purpose of the Unified State Exam is the fight against corruption, then why not introduce it in universities? Isn't that much easier?

      This is more difficult.
      1. Each university will establish its own level. Beyond. The Academy of Sciences will not decide.
      2. All HEIs will take exams at different times. Hemorrhoids.
      3. Corruption will remain all the same. Teachers will find a loophole to help those in need. wink
      And much more.
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 7 June 2021 09: 30
        +2
        That's right, Yuri! And the works will be checked by keywords. There are three contractual words - score 5. No - 3 and you do not pass. They are very cunning teachers ... Did they defend their dissertations for nothing ?!
    3. DrRey
      DrRey 7 June 2021 14: 18
      +4
      And what does the USE have to do with it? If parents have not instilled in their children the value of knowledge and skills? If the company for the production of Euro-windows was satisfied with the level of the girl, then her skills suit them. It's not about the exam, it's about the people. If today's youth with the existing level of knowledge can earn their living, then they will not want more.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 7 June 2021 06: 12
    +13
    For a long time, there have been no stories about labor exploits and awards for heroes on the Internet.
    For example, such a tractor driver Ivanov, with her tireless work, on the fields of the land oligarch Sidorov, helped the latter to earn another million. Another ton of first-class grain went to the bins abroad. smile
    In general, we are very successful in chasing Ukraine.
    Very successfully, so we’ll catch up and overtake someone, it’s Ukraine. laughing
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 7 June 2021 06: 31
      0
      Quote: parusnik
      Very successfully, so we’ll catch up and overtake someone, it’s Ukraine.

      I will bet on.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 7 June 2021 06: 36
        +6
        I will bet on.
        I believe the city will be, I believe the garden will bloom when there are such people in the Russian country.
        Daniel. Milokhin.
        There are more of them, and the rest are exceptions to the rule.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 7 June 2021 06: 31
    0
    When the role of the people comes to the fore, then everything will change. And now the usual empty phrases about a person. Every breakthrough people should feel that this is his handiwork.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 7 June 2021 08: 22
      -4
      Quote: nikvic46
      When the role of the people comes to the fore, then everything will change.

      You want to give the chiefdom 80% of the mediocre, and push 20%, right? It was already. How it ended is known.
      1. nikvic46
        nikvic46 7 June 2021 15: 44
        +1
        Vyacheslav: Do you want to nominate a separate person? And so we have individuals have 60% of the state. property, not even in America.
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 7 June 2021 15: 52
          0
          I do not want anything. I want the artist to judge the paintings, not Uncle Vanya from the street. And about pedagogy - a teacher, teacher, with experience. Here's how Samarin 1969, for example ...
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 7 June 2021 16: 44
          -3
          "And so we have individuals have 60% of the state." - This is a fairy tale with nothing to do with reality. And yes, we already had a state that can be run by any cook and combine operator - in the 80s such people came to power with the help of social lifts in their entirety.
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 7 June 2021 06: 36
    +17
    Roman - you're wrong.
    The Unified State Exam is the last chance for children of "mere mortals" to make their way to good specialties in universities. Probably it even reaches the Ministry of Education. If you cancel the exam, students will be only majors (in commerce or for a bribe). I work in a simple rural school. Over the past 7 years, thanks to the anonymous USE, dozens of children have entered prestigious universities in Moscow, Yekaterinburg, Kazan, Rostov, etc. These children were talented, self-organized and patriotic. And these are children of the "middle class" according to the methodology of the authors of the constitutional reform. Many have worked with remote tutors. But we could do without them. Bookkeeping of the issue -10-30 thousand. And studying at a university costs 100-400 thousand a year!
    A week later, I again check the exam in social studies. Believe me, good detailed answers are immediately recognizable by the style and clarity of thought. The maturity of judgments, analysis of the text, the adequacy of examples are highly appreciated. In tasks 1-20, there are almost no dull checkmarks. You have to carefully analyze the questions and think about the wording of the answers. Without sufficient general development, even having memorized politics, economics, the foundations of philosophy and law, it is impossible to get a score higher than the "three".
    The Unified State Exam is far from perfect: abstruse forms, incorrect questions from the compilers, a small number of options. But the exam is better than two stages of subjective exams.
    The novel repeats the mistake of yesterday's author - the USE was mandatory for all graduates until 2022.
    Partial cancellation of the USE is associated with the work of schools in the "crown".
    The reason for the near-skirting level of education is not in the Unified State Exam. In schools, 99,9% of students receive certificates. I personally observe how children who literally do not know how to count and write receive guaranteed triples in "Russian" and "mathematics". Most children hardly study at all. After all, basic general education is guaranteed equal to all. The total gadgetisation of the "daily routine" of young people hits the level of drugs. Well, insane tolerance at school raises a generation of neurasthenics and irresponsible people. Here are the reasons for shocking ignorance!

    ps If Roman Skomorokhov is against the USE ...
    I am also in favor of canceling it. Indeed, in order to begin to appreciate something, one must first lose it.
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 7 June 2021 07: 13
      +1
      Quote: samarin1969
      Many have worked with remote tutors. But we could do without them. Bookkeeping of the issue -10-30 thousand.

      Is this the price of all the preparation? Whether oh ... For ak. hour they take 700 rubles., and in two hours already almost one and a half thousand. It will be very problematic to prepare in 15-30 hours, or you have completely democratic price tags ...
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 7 June 2021 15: 08
        +4
        Quote: Doccor18
        Quote: samarin1969
        Many have worked with remote tutors. But we could do without them. Bookkeeping of the issue -10-30 thousand.

        Is this the price of all the preparation? Whether oh ... For ak. hour they take 700 rubles., and in two hours already almost one and a half thousand. It will be very problematic to prepare in 15-30 hours, or you have completely democratic price tags ...

        I don't "tutor" myself. Little time. And history is nowhere in demand. But alumni share their experience. The most reasonable ones buy decent distance courses inexpensively, try to cooperate with 2-3 people. There are tons of free resources on the Internet for preparation. For the most part, tutors are hired - either when knowledge is neglected, or - there is no self-organization. Personally, I find tutoring a waste of time and money. Knowledge cannot be formed in a few hours. You can only teach the "tactics" of passing the exam.
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 7 June 2021 20: 53
          +2
          Quote: samarin1969
          Personally, I find tutoring a waste of time and money. Knowledge cannot be formed in a few hours. You can only teach the "tactics" of passing the exam.

          Agree to 100%.
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 7 June 2021 07: 15
      +3
      The Unified State Exam is the last chance for children of "mere mortals" to make their way to good specialties in universities.
      These tales can be told to young people. For example, the mid-70s, the school chess Olympiad. The boy I beat is now a professor at Moscow State University. But then there was no exam.
      By the way, there are many fairy tales in today's life. For example, they talk about Serdyukov, who defeated all the generals-corruptionists and created an invincible army.
      In short, they are successfully fighting corruption, but the Zakharchenko case lives on and wins.
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 7 June 2021 08: 34
        -3
        Quote: Gardamir
        These tales can be told to young people.

        How many years have you worked at the Higher School?
      2. samarin1969
        samarin1969 7 June 2021 13: 58
        +3
        Quote: Gardamir
        For example, the mid 70s,

        request
      3. DrRey
        DrRey 7 June 2021 14: 09
        +1
        And you do not listen to fairy tales, but go to the hostel of Moscow State University and students, ask around who is from where and who has whose parents, and then draw conclusions
      4. Vadim237
        Vadim237 7 June 2021 16: 45
        0
        Fairy tales are mainly for people like you - stuck in the past.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 7 June 2021 18: 20
          -1
          like you - stuck in the past.
          Personal dislike is not a reason to draw conclusions. For example, I am against aircraft carriers, because their time has passed .. I am against gasoline cars, because the future belongs to electric transport and it is getting closer ...
          But the gentlemen sitting at the top really want to turn the country towards neofedalism.
    3. kalibr
      kalibr 7 June 2021 08: 31
      0
      He worked, Konstantin Viktorovich, in a rural school from 1977 to 1980, and then another year went by train to a school near the city. Ignorance was also enough ... "Can you get pregnant from a kiss?" was a very popular question. My answers were not always believed. "But we have one girl ...".
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 7 June 2021 06: 44
    +5
    A mechanism has not yet been created so that a rocket, a ship, or an oil rig could be built without the help of people (people), but all the merits go to the recipients of these benefits. The people seem to have nothing to do with it.
  • Dimy4
    Dimy4 7 June 2021 07: 00
    +1
    The son of a diplomat should become a diplomat, the son of a prosecutor should become a prosecutor, and a judge's daughter should become a judge.

    This is Putin's Russia, an attempt to lay the foundation of a neo-feudal system.
    1. BAI
      BAI 7 June 2021 11: 24
      +3
      This is Putin's Russia, an attempt to lay the foundation of a neo-feudal system.

      It was always and everywhere. For any tuning. In Soviet times, an anecdote was born:
      Can a general's son become a general?
      Yes.
      And what about the marshal?
      Not. The Marshall has his own son.
  • bandabas
    bandabas 7 June 2021 07: 22
    +9
    I remember Medvedev in 2016 blurted out about the salaries of teachers, "If you want to earn money, there are many great places where you can do it faster and better. The same business. But you did not go into business, as I understand it, well, here you are." Moreover, it was said at the All-Russian Youth Educational Forum "Territory of Meanings".
  • Van 16
    Van 16 7 June 2021 07: 22
    +1
    "For twenty years, an experiment on stupidity has been going on in the country"

    Exactly. As well as much else in the article.
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 7 June 2021 09: 31
      +1
      Quote: Van 16
      Exactly. As well as much else in the article.

      This "to the point" has already existed for the entire life of mankind. There is not a single generation that did not groan its successive growing up. Everything is repeated over and over again. Frankly, I disagree with the author. My parental experience in the release of two children does not at all confirm the author's theses. My children graduated from a regular secondary school, not some kind of lyceum, in a small town 3000 km from the capital. We managed to pass the exam without hysterics and enter good universities for budgetary places. My personal experience suggests that it is not about the exam. Today the answers in KIMs cannot be guessed. Knowledge is needed. And just as in the 70s for admission it was necessary to prepare, including at preparatory courses, so today it is necessary to prepare additionally. Nothing new. For dynastic affairs. If you are successful in your workplace and discuss with your child what you do at work, then your child is more likely to become interested in your profession. When I worked in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, my son expressed interest in legal professions, when he moved to oilfield services, he wanted to become a petroleum engineer. It `s naturally. For many doctors, parents worked in medicine. Therefore, the desire of the daughter of a judge to become a judge, and the desire of a son of a prosecutor to become a prosecutor, is nothing special. It's just that parents conduct career guidance by example. It is much worse if the parents do not deal with this business at all or they have nothing to say to their child on this topic, except "think for yourself." Therefore, I agree more with Mr. "samarin1969", especially since he himself is from the education system, unlike the author of the article, whose creative direction has a pronounced direction that has nothing to do with the realities of life.
      1. Van 16
        Van 16 7 June 2021 09: 43
        +3
        Once two newcomers came to work, an engineer after college and an electrician after college. In the profession, to put it mildly, not very much, but moreover, people simply do not know who Zhukov are, Korolev, Kosmodemyanskaya was called Lenin's wife, and so on ..
        We still meet with our school teacher, so I also judge from personal experience.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 7 June 2021 11: 59
          +1
          Quote: Van 16
          Two newcomers came to work somehow

          "Two newcomers" always came. And a year ago, and 40 years ago, and 80 ... And very often they served as a reason for jokes and anecdotes. Ask your grandfathers, they will tell you how, in their youth, locksmiths taught engineers. Is there much truth there? This is also a big question. By the way, the article contains neither statistics, nor any evidence of the author's correctness. But, in the defense industry, young people work and achieve success, also in medical science, and they systematically search for oil and gas and replenish reserves. The mill lives and develops. Problems with knowing history? Yes, there is. But schoolchildren in the USSR were not eager to enter historical universities, and twenty-year-old electricians did not amaze with the depth of knowledge in the development of their state. At the same time, I am not saying that everything is fine with us in all areas. There are problems, and not small ones. But this does not mean at all that we are degrading, and even with such a speed that we are overtaking Ukraine, as the author presents it.
          1. Van 16
            Van 16 7 June 2021 12: 16
            0
            "in the defense industry, young people work and achieve success"

            In the defense industry ?! Do not tell my horseshoes, I myself have been in the defense industry for a long time, the turnover among young people is terrible, few people hold on for more than a year, more often they quit even earlier. No, then they come, work, but they are not enough for a long time ..
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 7 June 2021 13: 12
              0
              Quote: Van 16
              few people hold on for more than a year, more often they quit even earlier.

              This is the case in your factory. But your plant is not the only one. We have a lot of young people in the oil industry. On all floors of the industry. In gas - the situation is about the same.
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    1. Dimka75
      Dimka75 7 June 2021 07: 44
      +12
      A question for those in the know, is the USE in Ukraine too?

      The Unified State Exam in Ukraine was introduced in 2006.
      5 years later. Following the example of Russia, taking into account the experience and achievements.
      Therefore, I did not understand this passage of the author at all.
      Following Ukraine? ...
      in general, we are very successful in chasing Ukraine

      cart in front of the horse
      1. Cruorvult
        Cruorvult 7 June 2021 08: 47
        0
        Duck is a series of articles "despondency on Mondays eating the last horseradish without salt."
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 7 June 2021 13: 32
          0
          apparently decided to switch from the topic of aircraft carriers to the Unified State Exam ..
      2. avib
        avib 7 June 2021 09: 41
        +6
        Clickbait title of the article.
        What does Ukraine have to do with it?
        In the overwhelming majority of countries in the world there are exams that involve a choice of an answer from several options. And there is nothing terrible about that. The whole world is developing and no worse than the USSR and Russia in the era before the EG.

        In other countries, it is simply impossible to go anywhere for a bribe ... and, what is most ridiculous, they are hired / hired according to their knowledge. And the salary is paid for knowledge and work. You can have a "red" diploma - but who needs it without knowledge.

        Instead of the EG, it is better to fight bribery. IMHO.
        1. Black lotos
          Black lotos 7 June 2021 16: 04
          0
          Quote: avib
          Clickbait title of the article.
          What does Ukraine have to do with it?

          how does it have to do with it ...
          Ukraine is to blame for all the troubles (earlier it was the United States and other freemasons)
          so the product is easier to sell, "Ukraine's oath is to blame, we have introduced the Unified State Exam on the territory of Russia."
          It is logical "Do you want it like in Ukraine?"
          Unified State Exam in Russia since 2001
          An analogue of the Unified State Exam in Ukraine is the External Independent Assessment - since 2002
  • aleks neym_2
    aleks neym_2 7 June 2021 07: 53
    0
    I'm under 70. Observations of the degradation of education:
    Arithmetic.
    I - formulate the correct question, write and perform the action (development of logic).
    Son - do the action.
    Grandson - choose the correct answer from 3 possible ones.
    1. avib
      avib 7 June 2021 09: 42
      0
      Will he guess the grandson or solve the problem in order to get his answer?

      You confuse the exam with the sport lotto in my opinion.
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 7 June 2021 08: 04
    +3
    In general, we are very successful in chasing Ukraine.
    and what is the race? In de-Sovietization, yes, it went there faster. In Russia, it was slower. Only. But it is proceeding with confident steps.
  • KKND
    KKND 7 June 2021 08: 19
    +5
    Roman, if everyone in Russia grows wiser, then who will read your articles? Who will believe any nonsense from the Internet? So many people will lose their jobs. laughing
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 7 June 2021 09: 33
      +1
      That's it! Can you imagine that people for all articles demand "historiography of the question" and links to the source base? It will be a disaster. For both authors and readers!
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  • Normal
    Normal 7 June 2021 09: 09
    0
    Sometimes in the head of a reasonable and thinking person, questions like "Who needs all this and why?" And the questions require answers.


    "Peskov's question" is the answer to all questions.
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 7 June 2021 09: 18
    -1
    Loved it ...
    --------
    MOTHER, SON AND PUSHKIN

    Mom, a middle-aged woman, however, not without pleasant features, cautiously approached the closed room of her son and listened. There was silence outside the door. For a while, the mother hesitated still, and then with a sharp movement opened the door and flew into the room.

    - What are you doing again? Are you reading books again? - she shouted outright.

    Unfortunately, this was true. A fair-haired youth with a pale face and soft features was lying on the bed and holding a book in front of him.

    - Mom! The young man shouted. - I just a little bit, quite a bit!
    - How many times have I told you ... What this time? - the mother grabs the book from her son's hands. - Oh, well, it is! Pushkin, then!
    - Well, mom!
    - Don't mum! For what reason today? Is it his birthday?
    - Yesterday was, - the son muttered.
    - Oh, son, how many times have I told you, - the mother sits down hard on the bed, - these books will not bring you to good! Look, at your age, tiktokers are already performing on economic forums, girls from the reality show at the Moscow Art Theater, and you?

    The young man rises on the bed.

    - Mom, just listen! - the son begins to recite. - I loved you, love still, perhaps, in my soul has not completely died out, but let it not bother you anymore, I do not want to sadden you in any way ...

    Mom looks at her son in distress.

    - Are you crazy? No, I won't survive it! Tell me, did you start writing yourself?

    The young man looks away, as if confirming: "Yes, I started!"

    - No, you want to drive me into the grave! - the mother grabs her heart and looks at the laptop. - There, huh?

    She wants to get up already, but the son waves his hands.

    - No no! Do not worry! I deleted everything, deleted, honestly!
    - Yes? Okay. This time I will believe it, but look ... - here mom's tone softens a little. - Son, you are almost an adult, but still naive, like a child. And you don't understand how this world works. And I wish you only well. Do you want to become like Pushkin? Why do you need this? Even if you turn out to be a hundred times more talented than him, now nobody needs it. Okay, if you were mediocrity, there is still a chance, but you are my smart, gifted boy. Where are you going to this culture? You will be doomed to a miserable existence, because nothing can be solved with talent and diligence. But wait a minute ...

    Mom rises quickly and winks conspiratorially.

    “Since you’re so stubborn,” she shouts from the next room, “and you definitely want to go to culture, then I bought you something.

    Mom appears in the doorway, and then happily pulls out a pink, airy dress from behind.

    - What is it? - the son's eyes are filled with horror.
    - Like what? - Mom admires her present rather. - This is for you! I heard that it is so fashionable now. They record videos in dresses, grimace and immediately frenzied popularity, advertising, money. Then other events will be invited to economic forums. You can think of something else.
    - No, I won't wear it! - the son shakes his head.
    - But, but! It will be for you! - Mom reproaches. - Just a couple of videos. After all, you want to gain a foothold in modern culture? Here! I also signed you up to a tattoo parlor. Nowhere without tattoos. It is advisable to do it on the face. Which inscription - choose yourself. Even the name of his Alexander Sergeevich. And finally, - mom makes a solemn pause, - you go to dinner with Uncle Pasha from the next doorway.
    - Not! - the young man squeals.
    “Nothing like that,” the caring mother soothes. - Just eat! He is straight himself, but for art you have to suffer! - and adds to himself, - And then maybe the theater actors will take. Still, some kind of advertising, everyone will want to see such a miracle.

    The son sits crushed and dejected.

    - Well, what are you, - mother again sits on the bed next to her and strokes her son on the blond head. - Don't worry like that. After all, I only wish you well, so that bread is also in culture. And forget that your Pushkin. Well, you can read it on Sundays for an hour or two, no more. Tell me, how many views will your Pushkin gather now? This is the point! What is dead can no longer be resurrected. We must look to the future. Well, at least try on a dress, who did I buy?
    - Well, mom! - the eyes of the young man begin to sparkle from their moisture filling.
    - Don't mum! I wish you well!
    (FROM). Subbotin.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 7 June 2021 09: 36
      -6
      Extremes always impress the narrow-minded people!
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 7 June 2021 09: 56
        0
        And the middle ground is between two extremes.
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 7 June 2021 10: 47
          -6
          Quote: Tank jacket
          And the middle ground is between two extremes.

          Exactly. But find it difficult. That is why it is called gold!
  • Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 7 June 2021 09: 23
    +3
    They said that the goal of the education system is to prepare a competent consumer (!) ... Well, they are preparing.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 7 June 2021 10: 05
    +1
    To judge what is happening, you have to be in production. We are state employees, where I work. Young people have come from such holes and make a career. They change now easily, lovers of licking. It came to the understanding that we need specialists with education and a desire to study further. For our youth, who I don’t worry about it, they are going in the right direction. Not so bad.
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    1. Barberry25
      Barberry25 7 June 2021 13: 34
      0
      repeat those. You don’t know the exam, but do you condemn it?
  • Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 7 June 2021 10: 59
    +2
    Before the pandemic, the USE was taken by everyone who wanted to enter the university and who did not want to. Otherwise, the certificate was not issued.
  • Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 7 June 2021 11: 01
    +4
    And the author ... the end of the article ... why exactly have we been following the wrong course for 20 years? Maybe we took a different course much earlier. And the beginning of 2000 is one of the stages of this wrong course? Write boldly, I, Roman Skomorokhov against Putin and his politicians, and then all the hints, innuendo and so on.
  • BAI
    BAI 7 June 2021 11: 05
    +2
    This year, we celebrate with longing and sadness 20 years since the Soviet education system became a thing of the past and was replaced by the Unified State Exam.

    And in 2 years a new anniversary - 20 years of the electoral program of "United Russia" from 2003. Those interested can update their memory and vote for the "EP" again. And after that, do not be surprised at anything.
  • iouris
    iouris 7 June 2021 11: 13
    0
    Why "Russian"? This is a "global trend". It's just that we have fulfilled the plan by 150%. So used to it.
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 7 June 2021 11: 46
    -1
    I recognize the skomarokh's propaganda articles by their name.
    I'm not going to read.
    But the question is already in the heading, why this stupidity began twenty years ago, and not in 1985, when a traitor who destroyed our country came to power? All problems come from there.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 7 June 2021 12: 30
      -3
      Quote: Herman 4223
      came the traitor who destroyed our country?

      And all the people who received an excellent Soviet education greeted him with joy and did not complain after the destruction?
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 7 June 2021 12: 37
        +1
        Yes, they did not grumble. And for this, too, we disentangle.
  • vavilon
    vavilon 7 June 2021 12: 24
    -1
    Eton College is the alma mater of eighteen British Prime Ministers and the place of study of British monarchs. British education has become so prestigious that the “mighty of this world”, politicians and businessmen from many countries, dream that their children will study in Eton, where the Soviet education system has been operating since 1995.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 7 June 2021 12: 38
      0
      Quote: vavilon
      where the Soviet education system has been operating since 1995.

      And they all studied 18 prime ministers after 1995?
      1. vavilon
        vavilon 7 June 2021 13: 09
        -1
        The question is not who studied where, but who borrowed the experience.
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 8 June 2021 11: 30
          -1
          But I'm wondering when they studied and what. On the Soviet experience or before it?
  • APASUS
    APASUS 7 June 2021 12: 52
    0
    Who if not the state forms the policy in education, information policy, policy in the field of education. So the state needs downs and ignoramuses. Or is it banal that the state does not fulfill its functions, and the empty place is occupied by people with money. Business and nothing personal
    1. Barberry25
      Barberry25 7 June 2021 13: 30
      +2
      laughing question ... that is. a child of 10 years old does not study with the exam, but with a regular exam, they would have studied with a guarantee .. is it not funny at all?
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 7 June 2021 14: 15
        -1
        Quote: Barberry25
        laughing question ... that is. a child of 10 years old does not study with the exam, but with a regular exam, they would have studied with a guarantee .. is it not funny at all?

        This is a number, geniuses all around, but I did not notice them
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 7 June 2021 14: 18
          +1
          those. You didn't even understand the meaning of the message? Well, I'll write it down: how exactly should the form of passing the exam affect the student's knowledge for 10 years? the fact that the Unified State Exam, that he will not pass the classical exam from the word at all .. About "train for tests", and how does training for tests with the study of CMMs differ from "memorize tickets"? Not to mention the fact that the teacher himself is very influential on the exam?
  • 1536
    1536 7 June 2021 13: 01
    +2
    I have a question: the guys from the article are one chess player, a whole group of physicists, a young mathematician (and how many of their unknown young talents who have shown themselves in the exact sciences, in engineering work and research, in scientific research, now live and work in our country, hundreds of thousands, if not a million), so they didn't take the exam, they studied entirely in special schools, closed elite lyceums, etc. educational organizations? If so, then our country is in trouble ...
    And the second question arising from the first: is the current level and the education system just a reflection of the processes that have taken place and are taking place in society over the past three decades, when everyday, strenuous, hard, painstaking work and the use of their knowledge were not considered, and still not seen by many young people as a means of achieving well-being or an intended goal? Then this is a double trouble.
  • Alex66
    Alex66 7 June 2021 13: 10
    0
    The problem is that now the bourgeoisie command education, including literate citizens who are able to think independently and do not need to draw conclusions. They need a submissive herd that fulfills the orders of the elite without question. But there is a downside, a country with such a people is not viable, no one to solve scientific problems, to build rockets, planes, ships.
  • spectr
    spectr 7 June 2021 13: 20
    0
    Generally speaking, the authorities already feel that they lack competent (and loyal) specialists at all levels. The collapse of Roskosoms is a good example. But they can't change the situation. I do not really believe that they do not want to, as this leads to the loss of power. In the same space, the United States is investing a lot of money in development and declaring that space is another combat environment, and Rogozin is turning Roscosmos into a trading campaign. And it is even clear how it will end, tk. they will begin to develop the direction that gives money.
    1. Barberry25
      Barberry25 7 June 2021 13: 29
      0
      And in the Republic of Kazakhstan, there is a "collapse"? Otherwise it turns out that 10 years ago, when 1-2 missiles a year dropped specialists enough, and now not enough, but the missiles do not fall for some reason ..
      1. spectr
        spectr 7 June 2021 18: 22
        -2
        The senior staff either does not know or does not want to be aware of. Rockets do not fall because restored the control system that was in the USSR. And this is not yet a sign of revival. Several years ago I was at a plant that repairs and adjusts certain equipment for our aircraft. When the question arose about a small revision, the problem immediately emerged. The main developers have retired and everything that can be done with the technology is within the framework of the available documentation. At any attempt to "step left or right," everyone shook their heads.
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 7 June 2021 18: 31
          0
          wink and also the cowards in the army are not very ... the elastic bands are weak ...
  • Eug
    Eug 7 June 2021 13: 20
    0
    Everything is quite simple - by the depth and quality, consistency and interconnectedness, accessibility of education, one can judge the honesty and decency of the authorities. Drawing conclusions ...
    1. Barberry25
      Barberry25 7 June 2021 13: 28
      0
      winked this is when, when entering a university in the USSR, they often looked at "who are the parents"?
  • Serhi
    Serhi 7 June 2021 13: 25
    0
    2021 - 1991 = 30 years since the collapse of the USSR, the author also cannot teach children, he does not know mathematics.
    For the rest, you need to take care of your children yourself, and do not hope that they will be given moral and ethical concepts, love for the motherland and for the people who live in this country at school or at the university. Many good youth organizations have been created recently, take the youth army, or vanguard children's scientific and patriotic centers. Now there are more than 150 cadet corps, schools, colleges, where they provide an excellent education and instill love for the homeland. Therefore, once again, the parents of those children who want their child to grow up as a worthy citizen of their country, they know in which direction to move and how to raise a child. Others will vegetate and complain about Putin, Gref, the Unified State Exam, school education and more. Who are the clever people talking about the need for a school, how in the USSR they simply do not understand anything, what they say. It's the 21st century, everything is computerized, the school curriculum has become more complicated in 30 years. Degradation occurs due to the fact that parents at 4 years old give their child a tablet, a smartphone and they do not care that his brain activity is reduced by 2 times and he is not able to filter the information that comes from social networks and other places until a certain age. There are many problems in education, but no less problems come from parents of the 90s generation.
    It is very sad that this site is becoming a political dump, and not a place where people discuss weapons and military equipment.
  • Barberry25
    Barberry25 7 June 2021 13: 27
    +3
    lol what kind of nonsense have I just read? to pass the exam is to remove schoolchildren from the hinterland from Moscow universities, but first take exams in the outback, then go to the capital and take exams there, well, it very much contributes to the entrant's admission)
  • DrRey
    DrRey 7 June 2021 13: 54
    +2
    Only one thing is interesting, dear Mr. Skomorokhov, before writing his opus, have you read anything other than newspapers with flashy headlines? Has he visited the site fipi.ru, has he downloaded at least one demo version on any subject and tried to put at least one tick? If I tried, I would not be able to do it, because there have been several such questions for years. Did he ask the students of Moscow universities who are not Muscovites "for" or "against" the USE, and did he ask the parents of these students who are not Muscovites? Apparently not, but this does not prevent him from re-singing the old song about the main thing. It's not about the exam. Last summer my son passed and entered the budget and with his points he chose from 4 possible options - he chose technical physics. In their group, half of them are not local, and there are also from both capitals, although our city was called the wilderness by Griboyedov. I entered in 1995 and specially changed schools after the 9th grade in order to take the graduation combined with the entrance one and have another try, just in case. And for two years the university teachers trained us. Therefore, the preparation process has not changed, people have changed. The majority of parents now are children of the 90s, who do not need anything and their children do not need. But at the same time, if you look globally on the planet, it is everywhere. The main mass does not need anything, and the task now is not to lose those who need it - Olympiad winners, athletes, young scientists, young entrepreneurs, volunteers, etc. Here they will determine where we will move, and the bulk will go where they say.
  • andybuts
    andybuts 7 June 2021 15: 30
    +1
    And where does Ukraine, what is its connection with the exam? Why as in Ukraine, and not as in the conditional Bantustan?
    In our country, everything bad comes only "from Ukraine"? Did the color revolutions in Ukraine come from an analogue of the exam? Is the Unified State Exam introduced on the model of Ukraine?
    on the exam, I can recommend a video on YouTube from a sane blogger - a former teacher:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro0cAlot7CA
  • Sergey Nikiforov
    Sergey Nikiforov 7 June 2021 16: 26
    +2
    Roman, today they are taking the exam in mathematics Tomorrow, or even today, the assignments will be on the Internet I recommend that you take the assignment and see if you find test assignments there.And for completeness of happiness, solve the 19th assignment, because it gives way to 93-95 points in the aggregate And then you can start thinking about Baumanka, MIPT, HSE Most of all, it pisses me off that the Unified State Exam begins to talk about from those who have not seen a single task in their eyes Why do I say so categorically I have a beloved wife, a math teacher, and an honored teacher in mathematics And I can express her opinion to you. The level of preparation in mathematics has not become lower, it has become more difficult. 19 points, for many universities it is. But this is where BUT begins. Do you know what my wife is doing today? We are remaking the curriculum for grades 75 and 77 in algebra and geometry And do you know why? Please read carefully According to the new requirements, each studied topic should have an EDUCATIONAL effect Explain For example Topic Complex uraniums Deployed Written: the number of hours, basic provisions and ATTENTION, what EDUCATIONAL effect the student's study of this topic will cause and options are given Education of tolerance, a sense of collectivism, etc. You can imagine it? I haven’t come across such nonsense even in the army bureaucracy. I gave just one example. And how much in a year? And from the high stands they swear by their mother that to reduce all this avalanche of papers. Next Do you know how much the teacher's rate is in 10 hours? How much is the teacher's workload defined? About 11 thousand Will you live? Therefore, they take teachers at two rates. Are we going to talk about the quality of education? So the stupefaction of the masses does not come from the teacher And the last example was written by the 18th graders of the GIA By the way, if you want to become a janitor, then after the 13th go to the vocational school, the quality of education there is enough for the janitor So, my wife with a group of teachers checked the work of these pupils Out of 9 works that she got 9 (one hundred and sixty) a solid deuce So think, where is the stupefaction? From the school or from the authorities? I don’t want to deploy further. It seems like people are not stupid. All
  • ZAV69
    ZAV69 7 June 2021 16: 49
    +1
    Everything is correct. They trust all bloggers and not official sources. Moreover, fierce delirium is often taken on faith. Who wanted to educate a competent consumer there? And so it happens. I personally think that the abolition of the exam, unfortunately, will not help us. A student of an elite gymnasium will have an advantage over a student of a rural school. Those who have money and tutors are trained to solve typical problems as well as fill out the USE forms. In general, the whole system needs to be changed
  • AB
    AB 7 June 2021 17: 00
    -2
    I will make a reservation right away - I have always been against the nonsense called the exam. Yes, the USE is already 20 years old, so what? Now teachers who passed the exam are teaching schoolchildren. They are also treated from this category. Officials, managers and others up to 40 years old, all of them are the generation of the Unified State Exam. How can the Russian school of education be returned when Pedagogical universities are not in demand? Only by harsh measures. Raising salaries for teachers and teachers is not all. It is necessary to raise the prestige of the TEACHER profession. Protect the Teacher as much as possible from the arbitrariness of parents and students. Bring ideology back to school. Schools may be different, but teaching aids and textbooks should be the same, without any exceptions. And many, many more are needed. By the time I think about 30-40 years like this ...
  • Moskovit
    Moskovit 7 June 2021 18: 41
    +1
    A very important issue has been raised. But. There is no need to idialize Soviet education. Could a guy from the hinterland go to MGIMO? Do not make me laugh. At Moscow State University? Well, maybe for mathematics or somewhere else where a small competition. Medical? I beg of you. I remember, as the winner of the Olympiad in biology, I went to Novosibirsk honey on an excursion. We were told honestly - guys, it will be very difficult, but for you - almost impossible, go to other universities).
    As a teacher's father, I will say that 80% of learning problems come from family and society, not from school. It will not be possible to build a good education on a rotten foundation.
  • Valeriy Makashov
    Valeriy Makashov 7 June 2021 18: 50
    +2
    It's just ridiculous to read it! The pathos and address of the appeal are not clear. Whose ears is this text for? The 1941-45 war ended in 1991-3 with the complete disappearance of the Soviet state. And not legally, but "virtually", in the altered consciousness of the inhabitants. Which has been smoothly preparing for this for 40 years. (1993-1953 = 40) Directly realized story with Moses. Legally, the USSR is alive. But the end is near. The flock of sheep has decided to choose its own path? Well, well, did you ask the shepherd and his dog for permission? In 1991 they voted to preserve the USSR. AND? The rams were simply told: Hand over the passports of the USSR! .. They went and passed. So what are you moaning, it is not so, then it is not so. Consider a haircut as a massage, and wait for your fate when the Boss gets hungry. The brazier is already on fire.
  • zwlad
    zwlad 7 June 2021 19: 04
    +3
    ravings of the gray mare napmsan.
    I know three children, ordinary parents, who entered the Meskovsk universities. To Glazunovka, Moscow Aviation Institute and Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology. Two of them studied, if anything, in Saransk. One in the suburbs.
  • makmak
    makmak 7 June 2021 20: 12
    +2
    I am for the exam. My older children passed honestly, they entered where they wanted on the budget and without bribes and cronyism. And they continue to learn. Stop whining. Those who want to do it.
  • bk316
    bk316 7 June 2021 20: 29
    +2
    Do you know what is the main problem in education and what else is there in the Russian Federation?
    Not in the fifth column and not in corruption and not even in the Jews belay
    The main trouble with us is that everyone, the second at least, considers himself a megaspecialist in everything (in education, for example), while not understanding anything at all about this.
    That's the same with education, you don't understand anything about it. And a couple of three people who are well versed in all this (I will call them the blessing I know them personally - Yasin, Kantarovich) decided to ruin education and did it with your help, and now they continue to do so.
    Yes, they told you fairy tales about the exam, like that it (I was not mistaken in the middle kind) will defeat corruption. I wrote 20 years ago that I would not win, but move to another much more evil place. But now you are being told an even more harmful and stupid tale that it is worth canceling the exam and it will get better, and then everything will be fine. WON'T GET, WILL ONLY BECOME WORSE. I can prove it with mathematical precision. The same tale is about the revival of the Soviet school, it is impossible, it is impossible to have a socialist education system in a capitalist country. A lot of people from Gref to Roman tell a variety of fairy tales.

    What to do?
    Either admit that public education is dead forever and keep whining, gaining plus signs, or do a very simple thing, shut up and wait for the professionals to figure out how to get out of this shit. Believe me, these pros are there and they want to save what can be saved, but the deputies, officials, grefs, nightingales, and most importantly, you do not let them work with your pasting labels, stupidity and just scream am am am
    1. Normal
      Normal 7 June 2021 20: 42
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      Quote: bk316
      Believe me, these pros are there and they want to save what they can ....................................... ........ but ....... you don't let them work

      We also don't let other pros turn around corruption.
      And we don't let the third pros start production.
      And we prevent the fourth pros from stopping the withdrawal of capital abroad.
      As the fifth pros, we prevent us from pursuing an adequate foreign policy.
      The sixth pros put a spoke in the wheel when they have the fairest and cleanest elections.
      Seventh pros, we spoil the statistics of mortality and fertility.
      Eighth pros ...
      Ninth ...
      We don't let any of the most professional pros work ...
      These are the bad WE.
      1. bk316
        bk316 7 June 2021 20: 51
        +1
        These are the bad WE.

        Namely, YOU have not yet reached the point of telling how to operate on the surgeon, but have already reached the point of declaring the harmfulness of vaccines.
        You talk about Russian computer technology, taking the computer as a magical device seriously.
        Well, yes, and in diplomacy, of course, you are specialists. laughing
        Tell me personally how is yours РіСЂРѕРјРєРѕРµ opinion can help a surgeon, programmer, investigator, design engineer in his work?
        1. Normal
          Normal 7 June 2021 21: 06
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          Of course we are.
          You got a filthy people. But you are all in white and your name is D'Artagnan.

          By the way about surgeons.
          I met different people, but some of them had to be told how to operate and not only talk, but also to knock on the snout so that it would be understood how to treat people.
          1. bk316
            bk316 7 June 2021 21: 36
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            You got a filthy people

            Not the people, but "obedience".
            I met different people, but some of them needed to be told how to operate

            All clear. I hope they spoke under anesthesia? laughing An immodest question, who are you in your specialty?

            By the way, can you advise me on how best to solve a couple of performance problems?
            Send the code? laughing Well, if you advise the surgeon to the programmer, you can definitely ...

            By the way, the crown does not press?
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              Normal 8 June 2021 05: 57
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              Quote: bk316
              By the way, the crown does not press?

              Not. Thank you, all is well. Didn't you bake a halo on the top of your head?

              Quote: bk316
              By the way, can you advise me on how best to solve a couple of performance problems?

              With the performance of what?

              Quote: bk316
              you can definitely be a programmer ...

              Oh, the arrogance of education. Programming is an incomprehensible secret, accessible only to a select few, and I am not worthy.

              Quote: bk316
              I hope they spoke under anesthesia?

              Well, of course. After all, any surgical intervention takes place under general anesthesia. And the whole treatment process too.

              Quote: bk316
              Who are you by profession?

              Janitor. Does it change anything? Does this change anything in the attitude of arrogant educated people to the dark public?

              Quote: bk316
              Not the people, but "obedience".

              Do not stop, continue the chain. People - publicity - gray mass - rabble -.
              1. bk316
                bk316 8 June 2021 09: 53
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                Janitor. Does it change anything?

                Sure. The janitor advising the surgeon how to carry out the operation is a story from ward 6.
                Usually people expressing your point of view are just balabolians, judging everything and not knowing and not able to do anything, who came from the midst of a small "creative" intelligentsia. But this is definitely not your case. laughing

                Further communication is not interesting.
        2. Normal
          Normal 8 June 2021 06: 18
          -3
          Quote: bk316
          Tell me personally how your strong opinion can help a surgeon, programmer, investigator, design engineer in his work?


          Cast aside the arrogance of education and the illusion of the infallibility of professional specialization.
          It is necessary to judge (Outrageously true? How so - to judge professionals, not being such in their field of activity? Look what you wanted!) By the development of the process and the results of activities, and not by the degree of professionalism of the figures.
  • OLEGSDT
    OLEGSDT 7 June 2021 21: 07
    +3
    I cannot agree with the author. I teach at the university and I can say that nepotism on admission is reduced to a minimum. And he himself entered the university in 2008, took the Unified State Exam, got on the budget by the number of points. Before the introduction of the Unified State Exam, the situation was completely different, I will say more, even now in the magistracy, in the absence of the Unified State Exam, there is much less objectivity upon admission. And how do you evaluate students if they respond equally well? Both with honors? Personal sympathy or dislike comes into play. But the fate of a person is being decided, and in such cases the less the system depends on the inspector, the better. Nobody wants to be left out of the budget, being simply less beautiful, less sociable, smiling, of a different nationality, unconventionally dressed, etc. We have much more serious problems in the universities themselves, namely low salaries, lack of practicing specialists, inadequacy (more precisely, only formal compliance) of our work programs with the Bologna competence system. For example, in our faculty there are only 5-10% girls and their average score is higher than that of the guys, because there are few of them and they are treated more leniently. Where is objectivity here?
  • Shadow041
    Shadow041 7 June 2021 21: 18
    +1
    Russia will go through a lot of things and whom it will survive, but this whole company of Judushka Gorbachev and Alkanaft Yeltsin will spoil us with its fascist reforms, from the now (unsinkable) Chubais, Gaidarchiks and drunken walking women like Ksyushadi ...
  • Margarita
    Margarita 7 June 2021 22: 31
    +3
    I agree with Milokhin and Gref, but not with the Unified State Exam. I was in the first "wave" on which they put on an experiment and introduced a compulsory examination in Russian a couple of months before graduation. And from the side of the person who passed this exam, I can say that this is not just "ticking the boxes in the required fields." You really need to know grammar, punctuation, phonetics and write a decent essay. And my father, a Ph.D. candidate in mathematics, is now retired preparing for the mathematics exam. According to him, in order to pass this exam successfully, you really need to know very well the school curriculum in mathematics.
  • Klingon
    Klingon 7 June 2021 22: 52
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    Quote: Ezoterik
    But what about common sense and everyday experience? The son of a hard worker will never be able to enter MGIMO, even if he is the second Disraeli. This is simply impossible in practice, although theoretically the chances are equal.

    Yeah, the same as winning 50 million euros in Lotto - there is a chance but 1: 150 million. wassat
  • seacap
    seacap 7 June 2021 23: 42
    -2
    Today we live in an occupied country, there can be no doubt about that. What the enemies of our Fatherland could not achieve on the battlefields was treacherously done under the guise of democratic reforms, which for fifteen years have been continuously bombing Russia. Destruction and casualties - as in war, abandoned fields and territories left in a hurry - as in retreat, poverty and homelessness, banditry and arbitrariness - as in the case of foreigners.

    What is occupation? This is a device of alien order in the territory occupied by the enemy. Does the current situation in Russia meet this condition? And how! Alien ways of managing and managing, exporting national wealth, indigenous people in the position of third-class people, alien culture and alien education, alien songs and customs, alien laws and holidays, alien voices in the media, alien love and alien architecture of cities and towns - all almost alien, and if something is allowed, then in the meager norms of the occupation regime.

    Someone else's present ... and what? Someone else's future? But someone else's future is already finally victorious, from an occupation one to a settled and master's of its own. This is the prospect before us if our resistance remains as sluggish and fragmented. And what - let us celebrate the Victory won by our fathers and grandfathers, pay tribute to them - and bow our heads again ?!
    Speech by Valentin Rasputin, IX World Russian People's Council. Moscow, March 9, 2005
    There is nothing to add that was not possible in 41, but in 91, with our own hands and at our own expense, through betrayal and treason, on the foundation of lies and crime.
    1. stylet
      stylet 9 June 2021 11: 00
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      Why did you allow it, eh !!!
      1. seacap
        seacap 9 June 2021 12: 24
        0
        He did what he could, the 91st spent in Burdenko with 2 bullets in his chest and a shell shock, when he returned to service there was already another army and another country, which in the 90s did not care about me. By plugging all the "holes" of interethnic conflicts with our airborne battalions, washing us with blood and knocking out the best, this alien state, put all the military forces of the SA in the position of despicable outcasts, keeping them on the brink of survival in the literal sense of the word, without paying a beggarly salary for months , forcing the people to despise their army and spit on shoulder straps. This is so for you for a general idea, otherwise it seems to have already been forgotten, but rather not yet caught. So, Elena, it's not for you to tell me what and how my comrades and I allowed and did. And for the future, before you say something, as it seems to you smart and snide, it is good at least to imagine who you are addressing and whether he wants to communicate with you, otherwise it looks ugly and childishly frivolous in the spirit of the smart teenagers, but here after all, more often serious people communicate.
        By the way, I understand and apologize in advance that maybe Russian is not your native language and you do not understand the meaning of Russian words and sentences composed of them. But in this field, people discuss the article and express their opinion and impression, clarify, etc., but not each other and their comments, for this there are other sites and forums, tb. I had a quote in my comment that seemed appropriate to me, not my words. Learn to listen to people, acquire normal communication skills and then everything will be fine with you, good luck.
        Yes, Elena, further discussion not on the merits of the material, I think it makes no sense, this is where we can finish.
        1. stylet
          stylet 9 June 2021 13: 49
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          With all due respect to your service to the state, my family and I also experienced difficult 90s, but you live in the past, now Russia is already different, it has a great future, Russia is not an occupied country! Yes, it is difficult for us, they are trying to strangle us, but they will not succeed! Be healthy!
  • Paldiski
    Paldiski 7 June 2021 23: 45
    +2
    I am 86th year of birth, one can say almost the last generation that received education according to the Soviet system, now the eldest daughter has finished 3rd grade. From their textbooks, workbooks and the method of presenting educational materials, I, frankly, have my hair on end! -this is a continuous test, at the exit of children in the head of a vacuum fool I try, of course, to fill it with my own knowledge. Looking at this generation of GE, it becomes uncomfortable, these are already, for the most part, zombified vegetables sad