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This terrible "baba-exam". The egalitarianism is alive and will live

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This terrible "baba-exam". The egalitarianism is alive and will live

The attack on the "redoubt"



It would seem that the Unified State Exam at the very time to rest on its laurels is a decent age. But where is there! In mid-May, the school information space literally exploded. As from a cornucopia, messages and statements about the imminent elimination of the USE system, which had become hateful to many, fell.

But if earlier the parents of schoolchildren and politicians of not the highest level tried to break through the equalization system, now very weighty persons fired with armor-piercing shells. And the attack was led by the vice-speaker of the State Duma of the Russian Federation, Pyotr Tolstoy. He called the Unified State Examination "a copy of Western standards" and "violence against children and the very idea of ​​education."

In his opinion,

"The Unified State Exam is an ineffective knowledge assessment system that forces children to spend several years memorizing the correct answers and learning how to fill out forms."

Sergei Mironov, leader of the Fair Russia faction, also supported his colleague in the State Duma.

He said that by next summer the USE nightmare will no longer be in our lives.

“Parents know from their own experience and the experience of their children what the Unified State Exam is. They cannot be fooled by the propaganda that officials are promoting at the expense of taxpayers, ”

- stressed the politician.

Profiled deputies also criticized. Thus, Maxim Zaitsev, deputy chairman of the State Duma Committee on Education and Science, believes that the Unified State Examination has not justified itself as a system - students prepare for it from the first grade, instead of acquiring knowledge. Zaitsev expressed confidence that the examination of graduates should take place in the traditional format, although it will take a long time to return to it.

One could assume that these are all statements related to the nuances of the political season. But in one thing, we can be firmly sure that the statements of politicians are the pinnacle of the protest mood that reigns in society.

A survey by the SuperJob website showed that 68% of Russians want the USE to be canceled, while among 11-graders this share is 83%. Fathers and mothers have repeatedly written petitions for the abolition of "equalization". Some even manage to teach children from Soviet textbooks, which have already become rarities. Particularly ideological even founded their own schools, believing that knowledge is more important than the results of faceless tests.

Tsitskarija, Andrey Balkonsky and first-cards


The main complaint about the Unified State Exam is fooling children. Schools are designed to train students to take tests-exams, and the task of filling with knowledge and expanding the horizons of the younger generation has faded into the background, or even to the background.

Schoolchildren devote very little time to general development, they do not understand stories and literature, and their vocabulary is frankly poor. The Internet has become the main "library" for them, from which they take out fakes, inventions and superstitions, which are then broadcast as true statements.

The same Internet is replete with memes and caustic statements about the state exam. Teachers, tutors and parents give colorful examples of the USE-disease. How will you like the book "Woe: About the Fog!" "," The attempt was unsuccessful "," face crowned with hair ", etc.

One of the teachers writes that children do not know many words, which, logically, should already be in the asset. Thus, high school students (ages 14–16) did not know the meaning of the word “dependent”. The interpretations of this concept offered by them turned out to be very different: "warrior", "disobedient", "a man who was dependent", "who gets up early."

Practically no one understands the word "supine", things are no better with the words "redhead", "crimson", "turquoise", "crushed". If you go through the personalities, then the children simply do not know many famous figures. As a result, they turned Mandelstam into Mimmelshtoy, Tsiskaridze into Tsytskaridzh, Agniya Barto into Burto, and they considered Babel a woman, because he looks like a "baba".


Photo: Ministry of Education and Science

All this could be attributed to individual shortcomings of the modern educational process. Some will say: that you attacked children, adults are not better, ask them: who is Biryusa, few will answer.

However, criticism of the USE system touched on the basis of innovation with 20 years of experience. After all, the main reason for the emergence of the test approach, as the Minister of Education of the Russian Federation Vladimir Filippov (in 1998-2004) formulated, is avoiding corruption when entering universities: bribes make it impossible for talented children to enter universities.

And here, please, just the USE-assessment, which equalizes everyone. Talented youth from the provinces will take advantage of the social lift and enter the capital's universities.

But it turned out that inequality has not gone anywhere, it has simply moved from universities to schools, changing its appearance. It is surprising that the children of diplomats continue to study at MGIMO, while at the HSE there is a concentration of young men and women of "successful" parents. Beneficiaries, targeted recruitment and additional tests, which theater, art and music universities use with might and main, have not gone anywhere.

As a result, the latter are filled with offspring from theatrical and film families.

Why so?

But because the last two years at school are not studies, but training for passing the USE tests. If parents have funds for this kind of training (preferably early), then children have a significantly higher chance of getting into an elite university.

Another challenge is keeping track of student portfolios of athletic, artistic and scientific achievements. Moscow schoolchildren are obviously more likely to acquire a significant "portfolio" than their peers from the provinces.

It's only the beginning


In general, the slogan "Down with the exam!" already posted in full breadth.

But will the sphere of education return to the traditional format: essays and answers on tickets to teachers?

Unlikely. Education officials persist in saying that there is no alternative to the Unified State Exam in our country.

Moreover, the bureaucrats are supported by a significant part of the experts. They note that before the introduction of the Unified State Exam, the formation of the student body was largely the lot of the community that revolved around universities. Universities earned money from their courses, and teachers from tutoring.

It has developed its own economy, which was just destroyed by the USE innovation. And, perhaps, experts point out, the message of a return to the old "traditionalism" comes from the camp of the offended.

In other words, returning the old system means returning to high corruption risks and significantly reducing educational mobility within the regions. In addition, officials note, the USE has significantly transformed over the past time.

These are not simple tests for a long time, where you need to choose one answer option and it can be easily guessed. You won't be able to hit the sky with your finger. Try to pass the trial exam yourself. It turns out that you need to analyze a lot, find arguments - that is, work with your brains and have real knowledge.

Further more. Rosobrnadzor says that in ten years we will see a completely different algorithm for assessing students. All achievements of schoolchildren, participation in olympiads, circles, diplomas, letters will be recorded in their "digital biographies". And applicants will enter universities with the help of personal portfolios, where the USE will be only one of the components.

“The Unified State Exam will take on a new form in the next decade. By 2030, we will see a completely different procedure, this is associated with digitalization, ”

- said earlier the head of Rosobrnadzor Anzor Muzaev. According to him, we are on the verge of the fact that it will soon become possible to objectively assess not only the knowledge of a particular school subject, but also other achievements: creativity, creative, sports and other abilities of the child.

At the same time, Murzaev stressed that it would not be possible to completely abandon the USE, since the possibilities of extracurricular activity of schoolchildren in megacities and villages, small towns are seriously different. Therefore, the testing mechanism, like a social lift, will still remain.

In the meantime, get ready: in 2022, officials promise to introduce the Unified State Exam for all categories of graduates - both for those who enroll in universities and for those who have chosen to stay in 11 grades for now.
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  1. Grandfather
    Grandfather 6 June 2021 03: 47
    +9
    At the same time, Murzaev stressed that it would not be possible to completely abandon the USE, since the possibilities of extracurricular activity of schoolchildren in megacities and villages, small towns are seriously different. Therefore, the testing mechanism, like a social lift, will still remain.

    In the meantime, get ready: in 2022, officials promise to introduce the Unified State Exam for all categories of graduates - both for those who enroll in universities and for those who have chosen to stay in 11 grades for now.
    that is, 30 years ago, it worked, but now, you just need a "biomass", with units of the "chosen", dumb, but rich ... but dumb, most importantly, loyal. "the House is gone" ... (C).
    1. SERGE ANT
      SERGE ANT 6 June 2021 03: 58
      +27
      This is not only becoming noticeable by education. Remember - sports clubs were free and accessible to all segments of the population - as a result, there are a lot of achievements in the international arena, and now only children of wealthy parents can go in for sports, and successes have disappeared somewhere. it is difficult to recruit teams only from a narrow circle of rich children - the choice of candidates has not become as great as it used to be.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 6 June 2021 04: 35
        +16
        Quote: SERGE ant
        This is not only becoming noticeable by education. Remember - sports clubs were free and accessible to all segments of the population - as a result, there are a lot of achievements in the international arena, and now only children of wealthy parents can go in for sports, and successes have disappeared somewhere. it is difficult to recruit teams only from a narrow circle of rich children - the choice of candidates has not become as great as it used to be.

        what are you speaking about ...? EGEs are already in power, what the fuck is "sport"? the district and regional "deputies" have already penetrated these "new excesses", you already live according to their laws, when the toilets, trash cans, bus stops and a new window at the school "open with reloading of the tape .. this is ... this is ..." from his knees ... "," breakthrough "... just look at the composition of our deputies ... tin ... who chose them? I doubt it.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 6 June 2021 05: 56
          +5
          We open the map. We drive in the sport of the Blagos playground. We see the picture

          Well, there are at least not two of them, right?)
          1. Grandfather
            Grandfather 6 June 2021 06: 06
            +1
            Quote: carstorm 11
            We open the map. We drive in the sport of the Blagos playground. We see the picture

            Well, there are at least not two of them, right?)

            but fewer pubs .. right? do you know how many "free"? ... drive in on "google" ... "fitness rooms" are not affordable for ordinary people.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 6 June 2021 06: 07
              +1
              Maybe more. But when these people who care for all the good versus all the bad lie for the sake of their convictions, is it normal for you?)
              1. Grandfather
                Grandfather 6 June 2021 06: 11
                +3
                Quote: carstorm 11
                Maybe more. But when these people who care for all the good versus all the bad lie for the sake of their convictions, is it normal for you?)

                to lie is always abnormal.
                1. Hagen
                  Hagen 6 June 2021 08: 18
                  +4
                  Quote: Dead Day
                  to lie is always abnormal.

                  Even worse - to discuss a topic that you are not "kicked in the teeth." Have you been to school for a long time? Whose children have you deigned to call "new incarnations", your own? You probably consider yourself an "old practice", because oranges will not be born from aspen wassat ? How do you compare the number of pubs to the USE system? The municipal authorities, which are within walking distance of the residents of the city, are engaged in beer gardens and sports grounds. You ask, who elected this power? And guess three times .... I'll help you. Everybody chose. And those who came and put a "daw" without going into details, and those who "scored" and did not come at all. What you showcase in your posts is called the "outsider gaze". You are looking for the guilty around you. And you yourself are not responsible for anything? I think that if, as you say, "the house is gone," it means that we are talking about it .... in general, we have lost ... No one else. And we did not bring our child to the free section of the child (and there are a lot of such sections, no need to lie that they are gone) And in Soviet times, the parents bought hockey equipment for the child, and paid for the music school ... at one time Rokossovsky and Kutuzov, it is, among others, our fault in his gaps in knowledge. It was the parents who let the control over their children's studies go by themselves. The Unified State Exam is just a form of attestation of knowledge gained over 11 years. Have you forgotten how the whole 10th grade exam tickets were decided instead of new material? And statistics show that in the capital's universities there are much more nonresident students just after the introduction of the Unified State Exam. So, if you feel the urge to spit at your children, take out a mirror ...
                  1. NDR-791
                    NDR-791 6 June 2021 09: 43
                    +7
                    Quote: Hagen
                    I will help you. Everybody chose. And those who came and put a "daw" without going into details, and those who "scored" and did not come at all.

                    Let me disagree with this statement. This of course happens, but not everywhere. Our governor is appointed by the president, the mayor is chosen by the legislative assembly, but he is elected, as it were, by the people, but ... according to party lists. That is, they voted for party X, and only the party itself knows who will sit in the chair. And where are the people here? And what have the voices of the population to do with it?
                    1. Civil
                      Civil 6 June 2021 18: 59
                      +4
                      By 2030, we will see a completely different procedure, this is associated with digitalization "

                      Yes Yes! I remember:
                      1. "By the year 2000, all families in the apartment"!
                      2. "Double the GDP"!
                      well, all sorts of strategies 2020.))))))))))))))
                      And what are the "national projects"))))
                  2. mmaxx
                    mmaxx 6 June 2021 15: 13
                    +2
                    I would put 100 plus points. The whiners are bad.
                  3. Lyuba1965_01
                    Lyuba1965_01 6 June 2021 22: 50
                    +6
                    I studied during the Soviet Socialist Republic, graduated from the university and I can say one thing: you are absolutely wrong.
                    There were quotas for locals, for non-residents, for children from villages and villages, for those who served in the army, for students from the union republics, so it was impossible to recruit only locals or children of the bigwigs.
                    The guys from the village studied with me on the course, there was one couple in general from some half-station (his father worked as a trackman, lived in a house along the railway / road).
                    And try not to recruit students for these quotas, then the members of the selection committee had to prove for a long time in higher authorities that, for example, among those who served, there were not enough knowledgeable guys to fill this quota.
                    They passed exams twice: graduation at school and upon admission to the university, which was a kind of double test of knowledge, so even if the teacher could pull a mark on a subject for a student, then upon admission and upon passing this subject, his ignorance was immediately visible.
                    I went in for sports. The circles were free, sports equipment - yes, they bought some, but they always gave out the uniform, there was equipment in the circle itself. They went to competitions free of charge, fed free of charge, drove them, so that their parents would spend something on these trips - this has never happened.
                    Mom was a music teacher at a music school. If I'm not mistaken, the payment is about 6 rubles. It was obligatory to visit the choir, which often went to concerts in other cities. There was this choir in Bulgaria (Sofia) - our city was sister city of Sofia, so the trip was absolutely free for all members of the choir.
                    In our city, the Piner Palace, there was an innational friendship club, often the guys went to other cities, received guests from other cities (and the union republics as well). All these trips were free.
                    To work with a child - and when, if the parents plow in several jobs, and many are not able to check in all subjects.
                    1. Journalist
                      Journalist 8 June 2021 13: 59
                      -2
                      Now answer a simple question: to how many universities could you simultaneously submit documents and pass exams if they were located in different cities and were held at the same time? As a rule, children who failed their entrance exams to some university did not have a chance to enter another educational institution in the same year, except perhaps in some kind of sharaga on a leftover principle. And the sports sections still remain, SDYUSSHOR, for example, music schools have become completely free.
                      The Unified State Exam is a good alternative to the old ossified examination system. I will even say more: this is a healthy head on which people in their ignorance are throwing everything with the patient. Our sore head is not at all the USE, but total bureaucracy in the secondary education system, which so fettered the educational process and hung like a heavy yoke on the teachers' necks that they NEVER LEARN CHILDREN behind reports, programs, explanatory, presentations and courses. I have a pedagogical education, my wife is a mathematics teacher, her sister is an English teacher, and my aunt is an elementary school teacher - and at ABSOLUTELY ALL LEVELS, bureaucracy that you never dreamed of. So it's not about the exam. It is necessary to free teachers from work that is bad for the whole head and let them deal with their direct responsibilities - to teach, and there will be no problems with the exam.
                      1. Skarpzd
                        Skarpzd 12 June 2021 03: 18
                        0
                        hmm .... I have a super task for this summer. convince his wife to leave school. completely leave. feed. as a last resort, let him do tutoring. if it really can't be without work.
                      2. Journalist
                        Journalist 16 June 2021 11: 50
                        0
                        And I understand you perfectly. School teachers are now very uncomfortable. Today, this is the lowest link in the education chain, about which everyone wipes their feet, from students and their parents to journalists who rinse the poor fellows at every more or less resonant incident. And no one cares that the teachers of their personal lives do not see behind all these classroom manuals, night DZ checks, reports and electives. This is a systemic problem, and it needs to be addressed systematically. Just taking and canceling the exam is a populist measure for narrow-minded people. It won't get any better, but it will get worse.
          2. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 6 June 2021 06: 43
            -15%
            Fitness rooms? Oh, what does it have to do with it? ) Yes, even if you take them, I don’t remember them in the days of the Union. And a bunch of little ones. 3000 a month is that much money to keep fit? Losing weight is more expensive, believe me
            1. mmaxx
              mmaxx 6 June 2021 06: 50
              +5
              Somewhere 3 thousand is normal. Somewhere a lot. Everywhere is different. The annual subscription is expensive. But the clubs are not empty at all. And there are even retirees.
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 6 June 2021 06: 53
                -4
                I noticed. True, 80 percent at the expense of employers go. The same Russian Railways compensates its employees for such expenses. Our subscriptions are redeemed for all staff annually. For private companies, this is generally the norm. Although, against the backdrop of the pandemic, everything changed for a while.
                1. Aag
                  Aag 6 June 2021 23: 26
                  +3
                  Quote: carstorm 11
                  I noticed. True, 80 percent at the expense of employers go. The same Russian Railways compensates its employees for such expenses. Our subscriptions are redeemed for all staff annually. For private companies, this is generally the norm. Although, against the backdrop of the pandemic, everything changed for a while.

                  Do you really think that you are so valuable that you get paid? That, behold?
                  80% (I think, a little more) do not go anywhere at all, and do not take their children.
                  If we proceed from the thesis "Time is money", then the majority of those who work hard do not have either one or the other. But then, both the first and the second ...
                  And do not say - "you yourself are to blame!"
                  The state has thrown off a number of key obligations! Openly, latently ... In a similar way, having loaded citizens on "all fronts" ...
                  The people, perhaps, would understand ... More than once in the history of our state it happened ... But when some, which year, tighten their belts, and others ... It also happens to boast of this on Federal channels (at the expense of "taxpayers") ...
                  Tell me about the demand, professional suitability, flexibility, ability to integrate into the system ...
                  And, if we speak for capitalism (and is this somewhere indicated somewhere in our Country?): Like, - "The market regulates everything," then what about "administrative resources"? ... "Spins", "bankruptcy "successful regional enterprises?
                  Honestly, I may not mind. If, in a similar way, there would be a nationalization of profitable, strategic industries ... And this does not happen! Fall off to criminals, oh, excuse me, to reliable people ...
                  Will you argue? Request links? Dismiss, if you do not see this, then you do not want to. Accordingly, to convince you, it is wasted work.
                  No, not an all-fanged man, not a boat-shaker ... but a lump in his throat stands: "How long !!!"
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 7 June 2021 01: 53
                    -2
                    I do not think. I know that)))) if you don’t know, what am I to blame?) If you go anywhere and don’t take your children, then this is your own business. I only in my city gave an example of 147 free.
                    1. Aag
                      Aag 7 June 2021 18: 41
                      +1
                      Quote: carstorm 11
                      I do not think. I know that)))) if you don’t know, what am I to blame?) If you go anywhere and don’t take your children, then this is your own business. I only in my city gave an example of 147 free.

                      "... I don’t think. I know that)))) if you don’t know, what am I to blame?) .."
                      Is it about the "knowledge" of your value?
                      Well, okay, let it be a joke ... If self-irony, I always appreciate it. If the truth is absolutely convinced of this, then this is at least a symptom. Although I dare not deny your value, genius, irreplaceability in any from areas, - not familiar ... Only experience suggests, - often it is far from so ...
                      "... If you don't go anywhere and don't take your children, then it's your own business ..."
                      Let's omit the grammar ...
                      The problem is not that I don’t drive, I don’t walk (we have time to do something, we pull out financially ..). The trouble is that the majority can no longer do this!
                      "... this is your own business .." - In general, it has become a classic of our time! ... Housing, health, safety, employment ... You can dig up a lot ... Just pay! Maybe the state represented by officials, at least be puzzled by the issue of ensuring the solvency of citizens? At least the part who is already barely making ends meet And it's no fault of my own! I'm not talking about outspoken lumpen ... And often, officials, - and you sometimes "see through" - "it's your own fault!" ... Without hesitation (or pretending), and sometimes, it seems, not understanding at whose expense they live.
                      Another example, -simplification of the entry of migrants! On the side of the national idea, your people, -only personal incomes would not fall!
                    2. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 7 June 2021 21: 20
                      -4
                      You probably rarely communicate with me, so you pay attention to grammar. I'm lazy and just don't check for errors. Although I often do them) as for everything else, I will repeat, only in my city I brought 147 free sections and circles. You have sprinkled a bunch of incomprehensible text.
          3. Stas157
            Stas157 6 June 2021 07: 26
            +13
            Quote: carstorm 11
            3000 per month it's such a lot of money to keep fit?

            And if there are several sections (my child has three)?
            And if there are several children?
            And to count on yourself and how much of this "little" in the aggregate will come out?

            Well, subtract this "little money" from the most common Russian salary (22 thousand rubles). You Dmitry studied at school on the Unified State Exam or something, I don’t understand!))
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 6 June 2021 07: 27
              -5
              I have three) well, so) that they would understand. But what does fitness have to do with it?))) Fitness) Have you at least read what the conversation is about or go straight into battle?) By God, keep yourself in check eh?
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 6 June 2021 07: 35
                +4
                Quote: carstorm 11
                I have three) well, so) that they would understand.

                Did you understand what? Does this make children's sports less accessible (paid)?
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 6 June 2021 07: 37
                  -4
                  Fitness clubs are not children's sections) calm down.
                  1. Stas157
                    Stas157 6 June 2021 10: 10
                    +3
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    Fitness clubs these are not children's sections)

                    And where did I say this? Dmitry, are you in yourself?))

                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    calm down.

                    I can only calm down)) And that's not a fact! You are very prolific with empty comments.
                  2. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 6 June 2021 11: 22
                    -2
                    I just answer. Fitness. You got in with indignation that children are dear. At this time, the conversation was about something else.
          4. Liam
            Liam 6 June 2021 07: 32
            -2
            Quote: Stas157

            And if there are several sections (my child has three)?

            And how many times a week does the child go to these 3 sections?
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 6 June 2021 07: 47
              +4
              Quote: Liam
              Quote: Stas157

              And if there are several sections (my child has three)?

              And how many times a week does the child go to these 3 sections?

              Twice a week each. Total 6 times. One section (circle) is playing the button accordion - 1 hour. Swimming - 45 minutes. They fit together perfectly in one day. I didn't understand what surprised you. Do you think this is impossible?
              1. Liam
                Liam 6 June 2021 07: 56
                -6
                Not that impossible .. a little surprised.
                What time does the child finish school?
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 6 June 2021 10: 13
                  +3
                  Quote: Liam
                  What time does the child finish school?

                  Differently. Depending on the year of study and the day of the week. This year I studied in the second shift. So in the morning I went to the button accordion, and in the evening at 19-00, right after school, to boxing or swimming.
                2. Hagen
                  Hagen 6 June 2021 10: 45
                  +1
                  Quote: Stas157
                  So in the morning I went to the button accordion, and in the evening at 19-00, right after school, to boxing or swimming.

                  Suppose that the button accordion has never been free, if it is not a circle, but a music school. Boxing is almost always free in the Youth Sports School. Swimming, if a sports school, is also free. But judging by the abundance of directions, you do not set the task of serious achievements in any of them, although the child is most likely 10 years old or more. Those. all these activities are fun, t.s. to take time?
                3. Stas157
                  Stas157 6 June 2021 12: 40
                  +2
                  Quote: Hagen
                  But judging by the abundance of directions, you do not set the task of serious achievements in any of them.

                  I don’t bet. Let the child decide for himself what he needs. I will only support.

                  Quote: Hagen
                  Those. all these activities are fun, t.s. to take time?

                  This is an opportunity for a child to decide, to find himself, what he really needs. In any case, the acquired skills will not be superfluous.
                4. Hagen
                  Hagen 6 June 2021 13: 08
                  +3
                  Quote: Stas157
                  I don’t bet. Let the child decide for himself what he needs. I will only support.

                  In vain. The child lacks critical thinking due to age. That is why the strategy should be determined by the one who already has this thinking. In general, it is better to have deep skills and understanding in one direction than to jump to the top in dozens. This does not mean at all that you need to break the child over the knee, but it is useful to convince him that it is always more useful to focus efforts than to spray them. I was convinced of this from my own experience, and received a "thank you" from my son much later than his institute. But in any case, I do not want to teach you something, the choice is always yours.
                5. Stas157
                  Stas157 6 June 2021 19: 09
                  +1
                  Quote: Hagen
                  This does not mean at all that it is necessary to break the child through the knee, but it is useful to convince him

                  Where is the line? Beliefs as rules do not work. And then the accusations begin in excessive pressure.
                6. Hagen
                  Hagen 6 June 2021 19: 27
                  0
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Where is the line?

                  No one will answer such a question to you, except for your parental instinct and love for your child. I am only sure that letting this matter go by itself is harmful for the child. His desires are not stable, and addictions can change depending on success and the necessary amount of perseverance and perseverance. You understand that "patience and work will grind everything." In a child, if there is no success, this is a reason to change the occupation, as a rule. My son was engaged in the section, in the youth sports school, several times tried to quit against the background of failures in competitions. I had to talk a lot with him, explain, reduce the load, even manipulate somewhere. We reached the CMS in sports and left, for a heavy load at school (graduation class, additional classes, etc.). But they achieved the main thing - the son realized that he was responsible for his success. And of course, the physical qualities that allowed him to have and defend his opinion in his micro-society (I think this is very important for a teenager, so as not to become a villain under the influence of others). And now he himself transfers my attitude to his son, but on a more advanced level. But this is my experience, you may have a completely different story. Maybe a musical virtuoso will really wake up in him? You just have to get carried away with your children, or something .... And the sooner, the more productive it is. hi
            2. Avior
              Avior 6 June 2021 23: 50
              -1
              You can tell this to my wife, who spent a lot of years at a music school.
              The most useless wasted time.
            3. ccsr
              ccsr 7 June 2021 11: 23
              0
              Quote: Avior
              You can tell this to my wife, who spent a lot of years at a music school.
              The most useless wasted time.

              In this I disagree with you, although I myself have no musical talent, but I always respect any non-professional performer, even he is more respectful for not wasting his skills. By the way, did she tell you that it was a useless time, or did you decide for yourself?
            4. Avior
              Avior 7 June 2021 11: 35
              -1
              She said. After receiving her diploma, she approached the instrument only to wipe the dust - with the exception of one time, at matchmaking, according to the then tradition. I studied simply because it was so.
            5. ccsr
              ccsr 7 June 2021 12: 21
              0
              Quote: Avior
              She said.

              And mine still regrets that she could not graduate from music school for an objective reason and did not become a music worker in kindergarten - even at retirement age she recalls this with regret.
            6. Avior
              Avior 7 June 2021 12: 26
              -1
              mine is like a bad dream, especially solfeggio.
              smile
              Personally, at one time it was enough for one year, for the second I just skipped until my father was interested in how it was success and stopped at a music school.
              I received, of course, along with the prediction that the prison awaits me and the loader is my destiny. The university somehow dropped out of the parents' circle of ideas about the future profession :)
            7. Skarpzd
              Skarpzd 12 June 2021 03: 33
              0
              yeah ... P. Dragomilov was able to write a book that brought even boys to tears)))
        2. Lyuba1965_01
          Lyuba1965_01 7 June 2021 13: 28
          +1
          She may not even wipe the dust at all, but simply throw it away.
          But musical education gives the main thing - the ability to understand music, this is an acquaintance with the most famous composers of the world, and after a musician, a person will never confuse Handel with Pendel.
          Music lessons improve fine motor skills, develop memory, give at least general ideas about musical genres, develop musical taste.
          You may not be a musician, but knowledge of music is very important for general culture.
        3. Avior
          Avior 7 June 2021 13: 37
          -1
          we sold it long ago
          fine motor skills? this is a separate horror. They beat the hands with a wooden ruler in class so that they could reach the keys.
          acquaintance with the most famous composers of the world, and a person after a musical will never confuse Handel with a pendel.

          for this she graduated from the university.
          You don't have to be a musician

          but to spend either five or seven on it, I don’t remember the years of my childhood.
          What the common culture has to do with this is unclear ...
        4. Lyuba1965_01
          Lyuba1965_01 7 June 2021 22: 28
          0
          Hit on the hands with a ruler? What nonsense! In your opinion, the music teacher specially carried a ruler with him to work, because the ruler is not needed at all in the classroom.
          The time spent will pay off a hundredfold, and let it be better to do music than hang out in the hallways or in bars.
          Classes in a music school teach self-control and self-discipline.
          Musicians are more likely than other people to have different brain regions involved at the same time.
          Students of musicians have better developed auditory, visual, tactile perception abilities.
          These activities teach children to absorb information better.
          Yes, there is a lot of benefit from practicing music, you can't simplify everything.
        5. Avior
          Avior 12 June 2021 09: 11
          -2
          In your opinion, the music teacher specially carried a ruler with him to work, because the ruler is not needed at all in the classroom.

          perhaps she was there all the time. This is not in my opinion, but from the memories of my wife.
          already after the previous post, I mentioned to my wife about the music school - she has a dislike for her, and after three decades it has not gone away. She studied because her parents ordered her, went to music almost simultaneously with school, recalls how wasted time and energy.
          and let it be better to be engaged in music than hanging around in porches or in bars.

          she really regrets that she did not use this time for any sports section
  • Doctor
    Doctor 6 June 2021 08: 00
    +2
    Twice a week each. Total 6 times. One section is playing the button accordion - 1 hour. Swimming - 45 minutes. They fit together perfectly in one day. I do not understand what surprised you. Do you think this is impossible?

    Maybe. But wrong.
    According to science, you need to swim 3 times a week. Minimum. Then the result will grow.
    The same song with boxing.
    At the same time, he should crawl out of training, and rest the next day.

    You can also say that your school is free.
    No offense. drinks
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 6 June 2021 19: 01
      0
      Quote: Arzt
      According to science, you need to swim 3 times a week. Minimum. Then the result will grow.
      The same song with boxing.

      In their sports complex, the main thing is only to carry money. And there at least (the grass does not grow) train once a week! Which is what my son often does.

      They ask a lot of lessons and you need to manage to combine the sections with the school itself (and this is now 6-7 hours). I talked with the teachers, because the sections are not welcomed there at all - the main thing is the school.
    2. Aag
      Aag 7 June 2021 00: 03
      +1
      Quote: Arzt
      Twice a week each. Total 6 times. One section is playing the button accordion - 1 hour. Swimming - 45 minutes. They fit together perfectly in one day. I do not understand what surprised you. Do you think this is impossible?

      Maybe. But wrong.
      According to science, you need to swim 3 times a week. Minimum. Then the result will grow.
      The same song with boxing.
      At the same time, he should crawl out of training, and rest the next day.

      You can also say that your school is free.
      No offense. drinks

      Wrote in response to another comment - up to eight workouts per week (swimming, CCM level,).
      Yes, - I fell asleep in the bus while standing, tightly pressed by fellow citizens ... Maybe an exaggeration ...
      But! To your children, it's better than what we can afford ... hi
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 6 June 2021 11: 23
    0
    Senior tennis. Average gymnastics. Small ones are still taking out the brain at home) about 4 times. What about?
    1. Liam
      Liam 6 June 2021 11: 28
      -1
      My question was addressed to your interlocutor. It seemed that the child's schedule is too busy, taking into account also school, time for homework, play and just relax.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 6 June 2021 11: 29
        -1
        Accepted. I apologize)
  • Stas157
    Stas157 6 June 2021 07: 11
    +6
    Quote: carstorm 11
    Well, there are at least not two of them, right?)

    Are there free ones? My baby goes everywhere canvas (boxing, swimming). Free only plays the accordion (button accordion).

    I wanted to go to hockey, but there was only one ammunition for 100 thousand rubles. need to! They told him:
    - No, sonny, you better play the accordion.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 6 June 2021 07: 18
      -7
      Need to. This is hockey. Everything is expensive there. If you do not want to make him disabled in childhood. Just do not say that everything was given in the Union. The injury was wild. They didn't do anything good for hockey then.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 6 June 2021 07: 31
        +8
        Quote: carstorm 11
        Just do not say that everything was given in the Union.

        In the USSR, all hockey uniforms were free. Not new, of course. But absolutely any child could go to this section at will and it was not stressful for the parents.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 6 June 2021 07: 32
          -1
          Well, tell me a Soviet brand of hockey ammunition?)))) I went to the SKA DYUSSH Khabarovsk at the age of 6. Don't tell me what you gave me okay? And lo and behold, why did the teams of masters play in the western defense without exception? Play video. Anyone. Super Series or something.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 6 June 2021 07: 40
            +3
            Quote: carstorm 11
            I went to the SKA Youth Sports School Khabarovsk at the age of 6.

            Well? Paid for something ?? The maximum has come with my skates! I also went to hockey. I know.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 6 June 2021 07: 44
              -1
              What kind of skates? Brand)))
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 6 June 2021 10: 15
                +2
                I had the coolest skates in my childhood - yellow Botas.

              2. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 6 June 2021 11: 25
                -3
                Botas is a Soviet brand)
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 6 June 2021 07: 44
      +1
      Quote: carstorm 11
      This is hockey... Everything is expensive there.

      You can use this stamp about any sport if you wish))
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 6 June 2021 07: 45
        -3
        Come on?) Chess?)
    3. Aag
      Aag 7 June 2021 00: 15
      +1
      Quote: carstorm 11
      Need to. This is hockey. Everything is expensive there. If you do not want to make him disabled in childhood. Just do not say that everything was given in the Union. The injury was wild. They didn't do anything good for hockey then.

      Excuse me, - I am happy to beat you minuses, but, pluses (for argumentation, - honestly ...), I put it without regret.
      What years are you talking about hockey ?!
      With the Union, - everything is free! (Maybe somewhere, something, - according to Christmas trees ...)
      Ski (!) Was free (skis, boots ...).
      I don’t remember a single one injured in those years ... Of the current ones, there are ...
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 7 June 2021 01: 51
        -3
        And I remember many. I repeat, all the mxters played in a foreign language. All over the world. We were given the shape of a corgbka and choose by size. Do you know what happens when the skate is out of place?
        1. Aag
          Aag 7 June 2021 18: 01
          +1
          Quote: carstorm 11
          And I remember many. I repeat, all the mxters played in a foreign language. All over the world. We were given the shape of a corgbka and choose by size. Do you know what happens when the skate is out of place?

          Agree, do not be stubborn, there were more children, children and boys (girls) involved, both in percentage and in numerical comparison, because it was more accessible!
          I will not argue - domestic equipment, like many other things, lost in quality and convenience to foreign (both capitalist and socialist countries). Skis, clubs, were obtained by hook or by crook ... Skates, I agree, - the sky and the earth !
          But, check out the scale! Distribute (free) in sections, clubs, in frantic quantities; sell at affordable prices to everyone!
          It’s scary to imagine if, at current prices, I was now billed for 22LR which I made from Margolin in the section, from TOZ-8, -12 before the competition ...
          Maybe that's why there was less foolishness in the minds of young people? The state spent less on the FSIN, the Ministry of Internal Affairs? ...
  • for
    for 6 June 2021 09: 20
    +3
    Quote: carstorm 11
    Well, there are at least not two of them, right?)

    Just two (workout playgrounds) the rest are football fields and courts.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 6 June 2021 11: 25
      -4
      Isn't this a sport?
      1. for
        for 6 June 2021 11: 47
        +2
        Quote: carstorm 11
        Isn't this a sport?

        And there is a difference, physical education is a sport and a sports ground is a sports palace (stadium) Physical exercise is health, and a big sport is sickness in old age.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 6 June 2021 12: 31
          -3
          There was a statement about sports grounds. I replied that this is, to put it mildly, a lie. What are the complaints against me?
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 6 June 2021 05: 12
    -6
    There are still many of them. My city for example.
    https://www.dvhab.ru/sections/free
    And that is not all. It's just that people are not looking for them, thinking that they are not there now.
    1. sgapich
      sgapich 6 June 2021 05: 45
      +4
      Quote: carstorm 11
      There are still many of them. My city for example.
      https://www.dvhab.ru/sections/free
      And that is not all. It's just that people are not looking for them, thinking that they are not there now.

      Add.
      https://kartasporta.ru/
      There are many settings, by city, paid / free, etc.

      For those who are really interested, and / or who want to test their knowledge, you can go to the Yandex.Tutor service, there are last year's exam tasks. And this is no longer "guessing", at least in physics and mathematics.
    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 6 June 2021 06: 12
      -1
      and I can't even show free halls in my city ... - there are none. but, KB, AND "PIVANOV" - across the block. - throughout the city.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 6 June 2021 06: 43
        -2
        I go into them too. They sell delicious lemonade there)))
      2. Doctor
        Doctor 6 June 2021 08: 32
        +2

        +1
        and I can't even show free halls in my city ... - there are none. but, KB, AND "PIVANOV" - across the block. - throughout the city.

        Do they pour free of charge there? laughing
    3. Civil
      Civil 6 June 2021 19: 03
      -2
      Quote: carstorm 11
      There are still many of them. My city for example.
      https://www.dvhab.ru/sections/free
      And that is not all. It's just that people don't look for them, thinking that they

      Did you move to St. Petersburg from there?))) Did your parents stay there or improvisation?
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 6 June 2021 20: 43
        -1
        You confused me with someone.
  • Doctor
    Doctor 6 June 2021 08: 25
    0
    This is not only becoming noticeable by education. Remember - sports clubs were free and accessible to all segments of the population - as a result, there are a lot of achievements in the international arena, and now only children of wealthy parents can go in for sports, and successes have disappeared somewhere. it is difficult to recruit teams only from a narrow circle of rich children - the choice of candidates has not become as great as it used to be.

    Well, what are the successes of the USSR in the international arena in football and tennis?
    And why does the USA with paid sections fight everyone at the Olympiads? wink
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 6 June 2021 09: 07
      +5
      Quote: Arzt
      And why the USA with paid sections

      Maybe because salaries are high in the USA?

      Nevertheless, the USSR and the GDR, which always took first and second places at the Olympics, respectively, fought the United States constantly. This is what free sections are and the advantages of socialism over capitalism.
      1. your1970
        your1970 6 June 2021 16: 25
        -1
        Quote: Arzt
        Well, what are the successes of the USSR in the international arena in football and tennis?
        Quote: Stas157
        Nevertheless, the USSR and the GDR, which always took first and second places at the Olympics, respectively, fought the United States constantly.

        -football and tennis ?? !!!
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 6 June 2021 18: 10
          +2
          Quote: your1970
          -football and tennis ?? !!!

          In US football is like a cow on the ice, and tennis has never been popular with us.
        2. Stas157
          Stas157 6 June 2021 18: 47
          +2
          Quote: your1970
          football and tennis ?? !!

          Football and tennis are just separate kinds of sports. I'm talking about sports and the Olympics in the whole, where the USSR was not equal in the amount of gold.
      2. Lyuba1965_01
        Lyuba1965_01 6 June 2021 23: 03
        +3
        Here the USSR's advantage was in the mass character of sports. With a huge number of, say, hockey players, it was easy to find really talented guys.
        Now, due to the paid sections, due to the high cost of equipment, due to the fact that parents pay almost always and everywhere travel to competitions, the choice of children is not so great.
        About equipment. Why is it now believed that a 10-year-old kid who plays hockey needs the most expensive branded equipment, so the parents pull it with their last bit of strength or they simply take the child out of the section so that he does not feel like a rogue there.
        Or the boy, if his parents cannot buy it, leaves himself so that they would not laugh at him, but before that he will drink a lot of blood to his parents so that they buy it.
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 6 June 2021 17: 17
      +2
      Quote: Arzt
      And why does the USA with paid sections fight everyone at the Olympiads?

      So their doctors officially prescribe doping for an athlete, but we are prohibited from doing this, even in medical cases, because then they reveal their presence in the analyzes. American WADA rules, not their paid sections. I think everyone knows why ski asthmatics from Norway take the podiums - E. Valbe talked about this in detail in her interviews.
      1. Alexey Z
        Alexey Z 6 June 2021 17: 48
        -1
        Because officially, and not hiding from everyone
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 6 June 2021 17: 59
          +3
          Quote: Alexey Z
          Because officially, and not hiding from everyone

          So in our country, mildronate was officially prescribed as a medicine to some athletes, and for this reason it was “suddenly” included in the list of prohibited ones, and our athletes suffered, even Sharapova had to apologize.
          So there is no need to say that we were hiding something - it was WADA that changed the "rules of the game", and only in relation to our athletes.
        2. Lyuba1965_01
          Lyuba1965_01 6 June 2021 23: 05
          0
          I can imagine how Vyalbe submits to WADA a list of athletes to whom a doctor has officially prescribed some drugs that are considered doping. And do you think WADA will allow Russian athletes to take them? I think not, because these are not Americans or Scandinavians.
  • Barberry25
    Barberry25 6 June 2021 12: 22
    0
    laughing and also moonshine and dry law .. or "sport, you are life" .. but for some reason they continued to drink
  • Kostya Lavinyukov
    Kostya Lavinyukov 7 June 2021 15: 03
    0
    You are confusing something. I myself went to the sections for quite a long time (2010-2015) and everything was free.
  • Doctor
    Doctor 6 June 2021 08: 59
    +3
    that is, 30 years ago, it worked, but now, you just need a "biomass", with units of the "chosen", dumb, but rich ... but dumb, most importantly, loyal. "the House is gone" ... (C).

    I don’t remember how it worked there 30 years ago, but the current “biomass” fights everyone at international Olympiads - just go!

    2018 (they went to school in 2001 already under Putin).

    Mathematics - a team of 6 participants.
    Russian national team: Krymsky, Gerasimenko, Abdrakhmanov, Luchinin, Petrov, Ryabov.
    5 gold, 1 silver.

    Chemistry - 4 participants: Bardonov, Kobelev, Konoplev, Matveev.
    2 gold, 2 silver

    Physics - 5 participants: Bobkov, Kuznetsov, Tsapaev, Shishkin, Yakovlev.
    4 gold, 1 silver.

    Biology - 4 participants: Pustovid, Garayev, Afonin, Yarutich.
    3 gold, 1 silver.

    Informatics - 4 participants: Rakhmatullin, Romanov, Lifar, Anoprenko.
    2 gold, 2 silver.

    Geography, however, "failed" little - 1 gold, 1 silver, 2 bronzes.
    Bogdanova, Bogolyubsky, Kospanov, Selyugin.

    In such are they, the victims of the exam. laughing
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 6 June 2021 09: 18
      +6
      Do you understand. There will be no medalists like that to heal, build houses, teach children, and so on. They are stupidly not enough. Although ... In principle, it may be enough, if all this is not available to the population in the mass. Fuck Putin's middle class for twenty years of getting up from his knees has grown stronger living on 17 thousand. All those who are weak in body and spirit moved their skates. So all this is unnecessary now.
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 6 June 2021 09: 23
        0
        Do you understand. There will be no medalists like that to heal, build houses, teach children, and so on. They are stupidly not enough. Although ... In principle, it may be enough, if all this is not available to the population in the mass. Fuck Putin's middle class for twenty years of getting up from his knees has grown stronger living on 17 thousand. All those who are weak in body and spirit moved their skates. So all this is unnecessary now.

        The fact is that the USE GENERATION HAS NOT YET COME TO POWER.

        Now the COOLING STUFF of the 90s, because everything is so. wink

        Wait and see.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 6 June 2021 09: 31
          +5
          Quote: Arzt
          Now the COOLING STUFF of the 90s, because everything is so.

          Oh how. I did not know that Putin and Mishustin with some Nabiullina scumbags from the 90s. This is stronger than Faust, but perhaps the Iliad with the Ramayans.
          1. Doctor
            Doctor 6 June 2021 09: 36
            -2
            Oh how. I did not know that Putin and Mishustin with some Nabiullina scumbags from the 90s. This is stronger than Faust, but perhaps the Iliad with the Ramayans.

            These are fighters against scumbags. Another Soviet school.
            When everyone is cleaned up, and the USE generation comes, then we'll live! laughing
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 6 June 2021 09: 38
              +1
              Again the legends and myths of fabulous Russia. Alas, you won't sell this elephant to me.
              1. Doctor
                Doctor 6 June 2021 09: 43
                0
                Again the legends and myths of fabulous Russia. Alas, you won't sell this elephant to me.

                The USE was introduced in 2001 and then in an experiment. He went to the masses in 2006.
                Most of the current leaders still graduated from the Soviet school and the harsh school of the 90s. Lost generation of scumbags. wink

                What's wrong?
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 6 June 2021 09: 49
                  +2
                  Many things. And this is the brilliant idea of ​​Putin as a scumbag. And attempts to present some Olympiad successes as educational successes among the masses. And this is not so, to put it mildly.
                  1. Doctor
                    Doctor 6 June 2021 09: 56
                    0
                    Many things. And this is the brilliant idea of ​​Putin as a scumbag. And attempts to present some Olympiad successes as educational successes among the masses. And this is not so, to put it mildly.

                    This brilliant idea was expressed by you.
                    I meant those who went to school in the 90s.
                    Like our Minister of Culture. wink
                    1. IS-80_RVGK2
                      IS-80_RVGK2 6 June 2021 11: 01
                      +1
                      Quote: Arzt
                      I meant those who went to school in the 90s.
                      Like our Minister of Culture.

                      BUT! Got your idea. This is because we have such ministers of culture that they did not have the USE. There is something in this, yes. Postman Pechkin approves.
                    2. Doctor
                      Doctor 6 June 2021 11: 22
                      +3
                      BUT! Got your idea. This is because we have such ministers of culture that they did not have the USE. There is something in this, yes. Postman Pechkin approves.

                      Yes sir. She entered the journalism department of Moscow State University, and then at GITIS only because of her talent and perseverance.
                      Her dad (the rector of Shchepka at that time) is completely out of business here. wink
                      And now, with the introduction of the Unified State Exam, Masha Pupkina from the village of Gadyukino can also get there.
                      Here is such an egalitarianism ... laughing
                    3. IS-80_RVGK2
                      IS-80_RVGK2 6 June 2021 11: 38
                      0
                      Quote: Arzt
                      And now, with the introduction of the Unified State Exam, Masha Pupkina from the village of Gadyukino can also get there.
                      Here is such an egalitarianism ...

                      In theory, everything is fine. And practically the bulk of the Mash Pupkins will never see anything except the dear Gadyukino.
                    4. Doctor
                      Doctor 6 June 2021 11: 57
                      +3
                      In theory, everything is fine. And practically the bulk of the Mash Pupkins will never see anything except the dear Gadyukino.

                      Partly agree.
                      For elite Moscow and St. Petersburg universities, you must choose 280 points or higher on 3 exams. There is no way without paid tutors. And this is 300 rubles a year.

                      But it is not all that bad.
                      Ordinary medical institute - target recruitment - 220 points. These are three exams of 75 each. It is quite possible to prepare yourself in a year.
                    5. ccsr
                      ccsr 6 June 2021 17: 37
                      +2
                      Quote: Arzt
                      For elite Moscow and St. Petersburg universities, you must choose 280 points or higher on 3 exams. There is no way without paid tutors. And this is 300 rubles a year.

                      I don’t know which universities in Moscow you consider elite, but for example in "Baumanku" even the most prestigious faculty of educational institutions in some specialties two years ago was less, but still somewhere around 260 and higher. For other faculties, even lower scores were passing - I know this well, because my son entered and is studying on a budget. And one more nuance - those with lower scores can apply for the preferential category and "target groups" - they are legally assigned places in budgetary universities (up to 10% of those accepted). ...
                      Quote: Arzt
                      Ordinary medical institute - target recruitment - 220 points. These are three exams of 75 each. It is quite possible to prepare yourself in a year.

                      I don’t know about medicine, but here’s what you need to prepare for additional classes, and they are paid, for admission to serious universities of non-"creative" specialties, such as Physics and Technology, I know for sure - I went through this myself when my son was studying at 9-11 classes.
                      In general, I do not like the USE system, but as one author correctly noted, this exam allows children from non-capital regions to enter prestigious universities in Russia.
                      So before canceling the Unified State Exam, and things are heading for this, we still need to understand what we will replace it with - that is the main question. Otherwise, we will simply be overwhelmed by a wave of bribes, if we again return to how it was in the USSR. But then the teaching staff was much more decent, in the current ones they often come across on bribes.
                    6. Lyuba1965_01
                      Lyuba1965_01 6 June 2021 23: 09
                      0
                      Yes, there are some bribes! Do you really think that in the days of the SSRSR everyone acted for bribes?
                      Complete nonsense!
                      They were smart, well, not very smart, it's true.
                      Not very smart ones acted at the expense of the parents' wallet, who took the child of tutors, preferably teachers of the university where they wanted to go to school.
                      So now there are tutors in bulk, almost every school student has several tutors in different subjects, so tutoring has moved from universities to schools, that's all.
                    7. your1970
                      your1970 6 June 2021 23: 22
                      -1
                      Quote: Lyuba1965_01
                      Complete nonsense!
                      They were smartwell, not very smart,it's true.
                      -of course it's true!!
                      Quote: Lyuba1965_01
                      Do you really think that in the days of the SSRSR everyone acted for bribes?
                      -all? no !!! 60 percent of the total mass did so - first there were quota-medalists, army men, orphans, and then thieves came - children "tovaraved / warehouse manager / dentist / gynecologist / meat row of the market / headquarters", then those - who stupidly paid the tutor-teacher from the admissions office, but then ordinary normal children came along - there were practically no places for them ...

                      Naturally, if it was a pedagogical university (or something else that was not as popular) - there were no thieves or paid ones.
                    8. Lyuba1965_01
                      Lyuba1965_01 6 June 2021 23: 29
                      +1
                      I studied at the university, philology, journalism department.
                      Passed by itself, parents are ordinary people.
                      And there were most of them on our course.
                      However, the same as at the history department, at the philological department.
                      A kopeck piece from a collective farm studied with me on the course — my mother was a milkmaid, my father — if I’m not mistaken, worked as a mechanic.
                      There were guys from other villages, there were also from nearby small towns, and, moreover, they did not enter according to quotas.
                      Yes, there were thieves, but there were very few of them.
                      So now the thieves have not gone anywhere.
                    9. your1970
                      your1970 7 June 2021 12: 19
                      0
                      Quote: Lyuba1965_01
                      I studied at the university, philology, journalism department.
                      Passed by itself, parents are ordinary people.
                      And there were most of them on our course.
                      However, the same as at the history department, at the philological department.

                      You are the difference between trade institute and your philology and history faculties - in the days of the USSR, you know ?????? !!!!!!!!!
                      Naturally, everyone entered the Faculty of History - there was 1,0001 competition for a place ... Nobody needed it for nothing ...

                      But, for example, in the Engelsky cooperative - my colleague (1988) on a conscription basis, having a "Red Star" and "For Courage" for Afghanistan - he could not immediately enroll. Although at that time it was enough for him to just bring the documents. He butted almost until September, with the involvement of the prosecutor's office. I won but barely ... Traders and cronies ...
                    10. Lyuba1965_01
                      Lyuba1965_01 7 June 2021 13: 44
                      0
                      Oh, how wrong you are.
                      Much more graduates were enrolled in the humanities than in the exact sciences.
                      And the competition for humanitarian studies was much higher than for the exact faculties (with the exception, perhaps, of such universities as Baumak, MAI, etc.
                      The East Faculty has always been valued because it provided specialists with a wide profile, and with humanitarian studies it was always easier to make a party career than, for example, with the exact sciences.
                      And we had a good competition in journalism in general - as far as I remember, there were more than 40 people per place with only 30 places (even though the exams for the philological faculty and for the journalism department at the philological faculty were almost the same, but we had a prerequisite - we had to provide along with documents at least 3 printed works in publications not lower than the regional one).
                      Where few people went - it was the Faculty of Philosophy.
                      And the philological faculty has always been appreciated - from there there was a road to journalism, to teachers in Russian at school or at a university, an opportunity for a scientific career, translators of literary texts (if knowledge of a foreign language was of high quality), to publishing, in the media, etc.
                      Well, the philological faculty was a good start in order to work in party bodies.
                    11. your1970
                      your1970 7 June 2021 13: 52
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                      Quote: Lyuba1965_01
                      Oh, how wrong you are.
                      Much more graduates were enrolled in the humanities than in the exact sciences.

                      I'm not mistaken - I know for sure ...
                      It's just that your philological faculty in Moscow was ...
                      In all other cities, it was as I wrote ... I did not come up with an example - this was the reality ...
                      "If you study badly, you will go to the pedagogue" (C) folk, 1970s
                    12. Lyuba1965_01
                      Lyuba1965_01 8 June 2021 19: 02
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                      An ordinary city, of which there were many in the USSR - Rostov-on-Don.
                      From our course, some went to Tsentr.TV, some to journalism, and there are those who are engaged in science.
                    13. your1970
                      your1970 9 June 2021 11: 46
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                      Quote: Lyuba1965_01
                      Rostov-on-Don.
                      - an ordinary city ??? Rostov-dad ??? One of the richest (in terms of the population's dough) cities in the USSR?
                      He was in the top three in the country, in terms of the number of cooperative housing !!! When people do not have money, they live in a hostel and not build cooperatives ...
                    14. Lyuba1965_01
                      Lyuba1965_01 12 June 2021 09: 50
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                      We had both poor and rich - as in any city, not only in the USSR, but also in any country.
                      There were also barracks, hostels, so it's not worth enrolling everyone as a millionaire.
                      Yes, and there were children of hard workers - we had a Rostselmash plant, where a lot of people worked, a brick factory; there was also a pharmaceutical company where medicines were made, salaries were also average there; a furniture plant, many collective and state farms, and a lot of things.
                      Rostov is a large railway junction, so there was a lot of work on the railway, not only as machinists, but also as ordinary railroad workers, repairmen.
                      And about the cooperatives - yes, they were built, yes, they bought housing there, because Rostselmash had good salaries. But you had to earn! Moreover, standing at the machine, and not sitting in the office. And the work there was mostly highly qualified, they worked hard and hard, so the salaries were well deserved for the workers.
                      And so, for example, you say that it was difficult for nonresidents to enter universities.
                      A good friend of mine from Baku entered the Omsk Medical Institute, successfully graduated from it. The girl was from a simple family, she entered it herself.
                      She entered there, and not in Baku, for family reasons (she lived with her stepmother, and therefore she was ready to leave even to the devil in the middle of nowhere).
      2. ccsr
        ccsr 7 June 2021 11: 16
        0
        Quote: Lyuba1965_01
        Yes, there are some bribes! Do you really think that in the days of the SSRSR everyone acted for bribes?
        Complete nonsense!

        I did not state this, but the fact that it was difficult for applicants from the provinces to get into some universities is a fact.
        Quote: Lyuba1965_01
        So now there are tutors in bulk, almost every school student has several tutors in different subjects, so tutoring has moved from universities to schools, that's all.

        I went through all this and I know perfectly well how things are. But this is rather a question not even for the USE itself, but for the general problems of education in the country, when the tendency "pay money - get an education" will lead us to the collapse of the country's intellectual potential, because many capable children simply will not be able to get a decent education. And this will lead to stagnation in science over time.
  • bzbo
    bzbo 6 June 2021 23: 45
    -1
    Now, if the Unified State Exam is canceled, 300 will be spent on bribes. And you don't need to study;)))
  • Lyuba1965_01
    Lyuba1965_01 8 June 2021 19: 20
    0
    And now there are no bribes!
    Sometimes the guys from the Caucasus have the best marks in the Russian language.
    And, speaking about bribes, we must remember that it was in the USSR that science developed in contrast to today.
    Yes, and almost all that military development is the modernization of those made in the USSR.
    And you say that everyone learned for bribes.
    No, not all, in the worst case, 10 percent, the rest - themselves, with their own mind and work.
    Well, now ... my husband's boss is looking for those who studied back in the USSR for serious and responsible work, the USE examiner does not want to - a little bit of time was "burned" by them, however, like his acquaintances, the same owners of companies in different industries.
    And he worries that he will have to close the company when everyone who received education in the USSR will not be able to work.
    And this company is international, with an international certificate, it works in the CIS countries and Europe. Now they are preparing documents to go to Asia. The salaries are good, there is a prospect, but finding workers is a problem, because managers are not needed there, this is not a trading company, and connected with the railway, it is the techies that are needed.
    In general, almost no one wants to hire those who graduated from paid departments, they prefer to hire those who studied on a budget.
    And for a snack: if I'm not mistaken, in 2015-2016. at some business forum in St. Petersburg, big businessmen themselves said that education is now below the floor and that its quality needs to be improved, and the sooner the better, because there is no one to work.
  • Babay Atasovich
    Babay Atasovich 6 June 2021 17: 49
    +1
    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
    There is something in this, yes. Postman Pechkin approves.

    No need to talk about the sick, it's good that we didn't get to Winnie the Pooh, hi Disney oversight of ownership - at least something useful from them! Have you seen how Prostokvashino was mutilated? And why? That's right - a salesman became the head of Soyuzmultfilm, recruited a team of these victims, they became managers and "spin up" the studio! For me, it used to be called dispossession. Experienced professionals were told that those old and do not understand the reality of the viewer today - you have nothing to pay for. Young - You don't know how to do anything and you have nothing to pay for. They took on the directors, again, a young victim who had as much as 3 !!! short films (I remember one called "Toilet"). PPC ambitions, advertising for cutting, and at the exit ... In general, it is so almost everywhere.
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 7 June 2021 08: 01
    +2
    When I saw this new Prostokvashino, the first thing that came to mind was the canonical Stalinist memorial - “Shoot!” But of course it was hard to expect that there would be something normal there. In our - that era of developed capitalism. As always, the miracle did not happen. The same smeshariki are also disfigured by commercialization.
  • Babay Atasovich
    Babay Atasovich 7 June 2021 10: 44
    0
    That is why there is a conveyor for creating serials and full meters - speed, sacrifice of quality and flow. And, of course, the "people gobble up" after such an advertisement.
  • your1970
    your1970 6 June 2021 16: 27
    -2
    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
    Many things. And this is the brilliant idea of ​​Putin as a scumbag. And attempts to present some Olympiad successes as educational successes among the masses. And this is not so, to put it mildly.

    "This is not a ram, this is a gift!
    And the ram is studying at the institute !! "© national
    do not remember such a SOVIET anecdote ???
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 6 June 2021 16: 34
      0
      And why this dull liberal commentary?
    2. your1970
      your1970 6 June 2021 17: 07
      -2
      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
      And why this dull liberal commentary?
      is a sad statement of fact in Soviet education ...
      Remember the anecdote?
      1983, my sister could not pass chemistry at the institute, my father took the back leg of beef ..
      - and lo and behold !!! sister immediately got 5 ...
      And here it is interesting - for the front legs of the beef they put 4 ...
      So she practically left a cow in her diploma ...
    3. your1970
      your1970 6 June 2021 20: 41
      -4
      someone passed away - apparently warm feelings for beef ...
    4. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 7 June 2021 07: 50
      -1
      I'll probably upset you, but the practice of buying grades and diplomas has not gone away. Under capitalism, everything is bought and sold. This is only for boobies patriotism, conscience, selflessness and other ephemeral things. For the capitalist, English clubs, yachts, citizenship of three countries and other houses in Miami.
    5. your1970
      your1970 7 June 2021 12: 36
      -1
      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
      I'll probably upset you, but the practice of buying grades and diplomas has not gone away.

      And where can she go ??? This was the case in the USSR, and it is so now ... Naturally, given the fact that now even a cleaning lady must be with a tower, this is increasing ...
    6. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 7 June 2021 12: 55
      -1
      Quote: your1970
      Naturally, given the fact that now even a cleaning lady must be with a tower, this is increasing ...

      Nifiga like that. These are your inventions and nothing more. You might think that migrant workers at construction sites are all candidates of science. And there are already fewer people going to universities, see the joyful statistics.
    7. your1970
      your1970 7 June 2021 13: 27
      0
      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
      These are your inventions and nothing more.

      The nephew works in KiB as a salesman with the function loader - require higher economic education. No? Go look for work further ...
      A relative in Moscow works as a cleaning manager in a company - a cleaner as before repeat , in private houses. Require legal rig ... They pay really well ...
      I learned in my old age, where to go ...
      I didn't take it from the ceiling -
      "now even a cleaning lady should be with a tower",
    8. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 7 June 2021 14: 00
      -1
      This is some kind of nonsense and quirks of individual employers. There is no need to make a system out of this.
  • Barberry25
    Barberry25 6 June 2021 12: 25
    +3
    wink Well, no matter how the USE does not affect the mental abilities of children .. the child either studies or not .. The USE is in our 11th grade, if that.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 June 2021 17: 09
      -1
      And the test part in the exam was going to be canceled.
      1. Barberry25
        Barberry25 6 June 2021 18: 43
        -1
        and in vain, by the way, the verification of the students of the basic elements is carried out precisely with the help of testing
    2. Lyuba1965_01
      Lyuba1965_01 6 June 2021 23: 17
      +2
      The Unified State Exam has a very strong effect, and it does not give a complete assessment of knowledge.
      In Soviet times, whether at school or when entering a university, the worst thing for a graduate was not the questions on the ticket, but additional questions.
      It was they who gave the real picture of knowledge.
      I'll tell you a secret: at school I was bad at chemistry.
      Somehow, for a laugh, I decided to take tests in chemistry for graduates.
      The result not only surprised me, but stunned me!
      I could not answer only 1 question, everything else is correct !!!
      I think that my chemistry teacher would have had a heart attack from such an attitude to her subject, because I went there with C grade students.
      And it took more than 40 years after school.
      And the fact is that the answer options themselves were a kind of hint, so, having minimal knowledge and using the logic and the elimination method, it was not so difficult to go through them.
      1. Barberry25
        Barberry25 7 June 2021 10: 58
        +1
        laughing Simply put, there is no difference between the tests for sections and tickets .. and here and there is memorization in fact .. Moreover, in the exam there is a third section, where you need to give a detailed answer to a question .. which will not be checked by local teachers.
        1. Lyuba1965_01
          Lyuba1965_01 7 June 2021 17: 52
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          Not certainly in that way.
          When answering the tickets, the examiners always asked additional questions that the student simply could not predict, and therefore it was from them that they found out the completeness of knowledge.
          Also in schools at the final exams there were always representatives of the district or teachers from other schools, not only the teachers of these schools.
          If you think that this was not the case, then you clearly did not study during the Soviet era, otherwise you would have known such details.
          There were schools in which there were strong teachers in some subjects (our school was famous in universities, where there was chemistry, because our chemist was the strongest teacher and her students, having 3, always in other schools quietly received 4, or even 5 ) and therefore in our school there were representatives of universities, where chemistry was a major subject.
          In addition, we had a strong mathematician, so university professors looked at their future applicants in advance.
          Universities that wanted strong students always tracked the winners of all Olympiads, from regional to regional, so if some school had winners of these Olympiads, then representatives of universities in
          These items were also there.
          1. Barberry25
            Barberry25 7 June 2021 18: 27
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            oh yes ... so all the teachers went to schools to select them for universities ... maybe then it is worth remembering about the "national sets"? It turns out in fact if the student is smart, but learns from not the most popular teacher, then he can forget principle about good places because .. "the snout did not come out" ... not to mention the fact that in the exam, too, there are no "questions on the list", so no, thanks, not interesting
            1. Lyuba1965_01
              Lyuba1965_01 12 June 2021 09: 54
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              No, not at all. Everyone who had knowledge did. Otherwise, children from collective and state farms would never have been able to enter a university.
              And attention to gifted students was and is.
              I think that you will not deny this fact.
              1. Barberry25
                Barberry25 12 June 2021 11: 50
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                laughing oh yes .. and that's why they always asked ... "and dad and mom, who are you?"
    3. Lyuba1965_01
      Lyuba1965_01 8 June 2021 19: 36
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      The point is not that one learns, but that nowadays they no longer teach many things that were taught before.
      Yes, the items have remained the same and new ones have been added.
      But they do not teach just logical thinking, they do not teach to go from the particular to the general and vice versa.
      Now we need elementary cramming, not the ability to think, now they just shove knowledge into students, like into a briefcase of paper.
      But, understand, this is not education, education is not only knowledge, it is also the ability to speak, to defend one's point of view with facts and logic.
      Not being able to think logically, not being able to find common ground and see the difference, it is impossible to become a truly knowledgeable person.
      The jagged quickly flies out of the head, but if you came to some conclusion with the help of logic, then it will be remembered forever.
      By itself, primary, that is, school education is unified, and this is normal, but at the same time, people used to learn to think, compare, compare facts.
      The curriculum in physics, chemistry and mathematics was chosen in such a way that in time knowledge of these subjects correlated with what is passed in each of these subjects, and therefore one subject seemed to supplement the other, and thus the material on each of these subjects was easier to assimilate. ...
      I remember that we were given a problem in mathematics and the teacher asked: how many ways to solve it, which one is shorter, etc.
      And that is precisely why they leave universities stuffed with information, but not prepared for scientific work, unable to make a drawing on their own, to calculate something.
      They know that this is so, otherwise - like this, and then - nothing, neither to the right nor to the left.
      They do not know how, relying on their knowledge, to move forward at least in their profession at their workplace.
      1. Barberry25
        Barberry25 8 June 2021 19: 38
        0
        tongue after MMM and the rest of the pyramids, it's better not to say "logic" ..
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 6 June 2021 10: 44
    +1
    Quote: Arzt
    that is, 30 years ago, it worked, but now, you just need a "biomass", with units of the "chosen", dumb, but rich ... but dumb, most importantly, loyal. "the House is gone" ... (C).

    I don’t remember how it worked there 30 years ago, but the current “biomass” fights everyone at international Olympiads - just go!

    2018 (they went to school in 2001 already under Putin).

    Mathematics - a team of 6 participants.
    Russian national team: Krymsky, Gerasimenko, Abdrakhmanov, Luchinin, Petrov, Ryabov.
    5 gold, 1 silver.

    Chemistry - 4 participants: Bardonov, Kobelev, Konoplev, Matveev.
    2 gold, 2 silver

    Physics - 5 participants: Bobkov, Kuznetsov, Tsapaev, Shishkin, Yakovlev.
    4 gold, 1 silver.

    Biology - 4 participants: Pustovid, Garayev, Afonin, Yarutich.
    3 gold, 1 silver.

    Informatics - 4 participants: Rakhmatullin, Romanov, Lifar, Anoprenko.
    2 gold, 2 silver.

    Geography, however, "failed" little - 1 gold, 1 silver, 2 bronzes.
    Bogdanova, Bogolyubsky, Kospanov, Selyugin.

    In such are they, the victims of the exam. laughing

    Smart and gifted children have always been in our country.
    However, to be honest, where are these guys and girls from? From provincial towns, regional centers, villages ..?
    I won't believe it. 99,99% of them are students of prestigious gymnasiums / lyceums in megalopolises. And for each of them there is a "support group" of tutors.

    Even a regional Olympiad in mathematics is unrealistic to win the child without substantial help.
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 6 June 2021 12: 13
      +1
      Smart and gifted children have always been in our country.
      However, to be honest, where are these guys and girls from? From provincial towns, regional centers, villages ..?
      I won't believe it. 99,99% of them are students of prestigious gymnasiums / lyceums in megalopolises. And for each of them there is a "support group" of tutors.

      Even a regional Olympiad in mathematics is unrealistic to win the child without substantial help.

      It's not about geniuses. It is important that now everyone is on an equal footing.

      And not as it was in my time. I jerked to a construction university, the alignment is approximately: 200 applications for 800 places. It seems real, 4 people per place.
      We talked with knowledgeable people, it turns out that about 160 are already enrolled.
      Total, really 20 per place. And there are some 30 pieces of medalists.

      The exam is a great thing. love
      1. Lyuba1965_01
        Lyuba1965_01 7 June 2021 17: 56
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        Perhaps you are right that even the medalists did not have enough space.
        However, the number of places has always been associated with the demands of the economy, unlike today, when university graduates do not know where to study after work.
        Superfluous specialists were not released so that everyone could have a job in their specialty.
        Now they graduate so many managers, lawyers, economists, etc. that so much work cannot be found for them in the country, so they leave to work in other countries, or, if they have not found a job there, they sit at the checkout counters of supermarkets, although at state funds were spent on their education, or the students paid for their own tuition.
        That is why diplomas are not quoted now, especially among those who graduated from paid departments.
    2. mmaxx
      mmaxx 6 June 2021 15: 18
      +2
      You must have talent to win a regional Olympiad in mathematics. There are children who have it. And then just a strong teacher.
      Without this mentality, no one will make an Olympiad winner.
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 6 June 2021 16: 27
        +2
        Quote: mmaxx
        To win a regional Olympiad in mathematics, one must have talent ...
        And then just a strong teacher

        Not so much talent, but interest and great desire. And a good teacher is almost 70% of success, or a good tutor ...
        But there are few good ones, and what they are, for the most part, went to the same gymnasiums, private lyceums, where they pay decently, and the children study with desire.
        1. mmaxx
          mmaxx 6 June 2021 16: 53
          +1
          Well, personally I was taught by the same teachers, whom some children won ALL Olympiads. And they tried to prepare me and attended all the Olympiads in mathematics / physics. Places occupied in the fifth or sixth ten. Moreover, he solved standard problems easily, but in general he did not solve the Olympiad problems.
      2. Lyuba1965_01
        Lyuba1965_01 6 June 2021 23: 19
        0
        You do not mention that these children are specially prepared for such Olympiads, because this is a kind of prestige for the school.
        So they are not just capable students and a good teacher.
        And the best are selected for international Olympiads and they are prepared not for a day or two, but for several months according to special programs.
        1. mmaxx
          mmaxx 7 June 2021 01: 48
          0
          You read my comment so as not to argue. I ALSO WAS SPECIALLY PREPARED. Because he studied well and freely. But there was not much sense. But other places were occupied. They just had different brains.
          To understand this, find a collection of problems for an olympiad in mathematics or physics for a non-graduated class.
      3. Barberry25
        Barberry25 7 June 2021 10: 59
        0
        laughing they screwed me up the regional Olympiad in physics ... here's the second place for you, you've written too much about the solution ...
        1. mmaxx
          mmaxx 7 June 2021 16: 02
          0
          And this happened. And then, in blessed times, they cut off the upstarts and those who crossed the road to someone.
          Inspectors of other schools drowned strangers, pulled their own. This was constantly talked about. One could justly win or be absolutely superior to everyone, or in another city. Where all the strangers were.
          1. Barberry25
            Barberry25 7 June 2021 16: 11
            -1
            wink therefore, in the exam, the plus is that the test is carried out too far to influence personal connections and opinions ... In fact, I already wrote, you only need to correct the third section so that students explain the decision and introduce testing elements, precisely in terms of delivery throughout the years, so that, relatively speaking, not 2 years to teach how to fill out forms, but to fill them out or similar to them in different classes on slices of knowledge, so that students get used to them
            1. Lyuba1965_01
              Lyuba1965_01 8 June 2021 19: 41
              0
              Assessment of knowledge by mechanisms and by a living person is a big difference.
              The mechanism is programmed only for specifics, neither right nor left, standard, in one word.
              You cannot trust a machine to test knowledge; you need to leave machines to machines, and people to people.
              1. Barberry25
                Barberry25 8 June 2021 19: 50
                0
                lol, when you decide to argue the USE, then first study the topic, and then start the dispute ... you just signed your ignorance of the question ... that's always so touching
                1. Lyuba1965_01
                  Lyuba1965_01 12 June 2021 09: 56
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                  Apparently, you are a very sentimental person, because a lot of things touch you.
                  Yes, I know that living people also check something, but the test tasks are checked by the mechanism!
                  1. Barberry25
                    Barberry25 12 June 2021 11: 51
                    0
                    laughing but you said that the mechanism checks ALL the tasks .. did it really take you 3 days to check the information and find out how the exam is passed .. well, you need it .. another week and you will figure it out)
    3. ycuce234-san
      ycuce234-san 6 June 2021 15: 55
      0
      I won't believe it. 99,99% of them are students of prestigious gymnasiums / lyceums in megalopolises. And for each of them there is a "support group" of tutors.


      Then this suggests that there is a hidden shortage of educational places for vocational education: there are still more or less enough schools for everyone, and at the level of vocational education, suddenly fierce competition begins, and such that professional athletes wipe off their sweat. Then it would be more logical to simplify the creation of vocational education institutions, and business unions representing the needs of the economy and having expertise in terms of assessing the quality of education can deal with quotas, targeted, moreover, places and directions. Then the competition will move to the level of vocational education institutions and will be expressed in the struggle for a quota and reputation in the eyes of business.
    4. your1970
      your1970 7 June 2021 13: 45
      0
      Quote: Doccor18
      Even a regional Olympiad in mathematics is unrealistic to win the child without substantial help.

      I won several times, but I have not mastered the regional one, the level is high for him
      1. Barberry25
        Barberry25 7 June 2021 16: 12
        0
        laughing at one time, they regularly raked out toilet literature at such competitions ..
        1. your1970
          your1970 7 June 2021 16: 16
          -1
          I don't know about you - mine won honestly, and the tasks were very serious
          1. Barberry25
            Barberry25 7 June 2021 16: 20
            0
            winked so i'm not about yours, i'm about at all ..
          2. Lyuba1965_01
            Lyuba1965_01 8 June 2021 19: 42
            0
            Having knowledge and being able to dispose of it is a big difference.
            And it is precisely to dispose of knowledge that modern education does not teach.
  • would
    would 6 June 2021 22: 30
    +1
    The very moment when particulars are elevated to the absolute, and specially trained students (if not all, then almost all of them study far from ordinary schools) are equated with a typical graduate of a typical city. With the same success, one can say that under Tsar Batiushka everyone lived well because the nobles lived well.
  • Egoza
    Egoza 6 June 2021 09: 23
    +5
    Quote: Dead Day
    since the opportunities for extracurricular activity of schoolchildren in megacities and villages, small towns are seriously different

    So can these opportunities be given to small towns and villages? In the form of FREE circles and sections! Or just for this there is no money.
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 6 June 2021 10: 50
      -1
      Quote: Egoza
      So can these opportunities be given to small towns and villages? In the form of FREE circles and sections! Or just for this there is no money.

      Yes, it's not even about free circles and sections. In reality, even the "free" ones are absolutely not like that, because a lot of things have to be paid. Starting from equipment and ending with travel to competitions. But such items of expenditure are simply unbearable for a large percentage of families.
  • Barberry25
    Barberry25 6 June 2021 12: 21
    +1
    "worked" in style, you must first pass the exams at school, then go to the university, and if you do not get there, then either run to where they will take or poke around in your nose for a whole year and wait for the next year? years failed to introduce the system of examinations-tests into the education system, because it is necessary to teach to take tests earlier on an additional basis as a test of knowledge, so that when they come in grade 10-11, students understand how to take tests
    1. Lyuba1965_01
      Lyuba1965_01 6 June 2021 23: 23
      0
      You do not take into account the most important disadvantage of the exam.
      Previously, the graduates wanted to go to this or that university, to this or that faculty.
      Now I didn’t go to this one - = I went to that one, so there’s not much difference, and sometimes these are just similar specialties, but the work on them is different.
      I did not get to the chemistry department at the university, I went to the pedagogical department to the chemistry department.
      It seems that chemistry is everywhere, but the place of work is completely wounded.
      So it will be a person, so as not to lose a year, to study to be a teacher, having neither a vocation nor a desire for this, but the longed-for crust will be in his pocket!
      1. Barberry25
        Barberry25 7 June 2021 11: 02
        0
        1) nothing changes from the wishlist, with the difference that with the exam you pass the exam ONCE, and with the regular exam TWICE, and if you did not have time, then either a whole year in flight, or you go where they take it ... so the exam is a good thing in terms of opportunities, my second cousin went to study in Moscow from the hinterland ... So your example is just FOR the Unified State Exam, because you can submit documents for the required specialty to different universities in advance 2) Refusing the Unified State Exam now is to break the education system again instead of edit the third section correctly.
        1. Lyuba1965_01
          Lyuba1965_01 8 June 2021 19: 47
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          Didn't children from the provinces study in Moscow before?
          Apply to different universities?
          But, then, it turns out that in one good university this number of points is not a passing one, but in another, less quality one, they pass.
          So, your sister entered a lower-quality university, that's all, because she didn't have enough points for a good one. \ And yes, they studied better before, because they knew that they could take a year
          But now - not in one, so in another, not in another, so in a third, somewhere it will still fall.
          And so low-quality specialists appear.
  • SERGE ANT
    SERGE ANT 6 June 2021 03: 49
    +7
    the last two years at school are not studies, but training for passing the USE tests.
    Yes, already earlier, parents have to send their children to tutors to be "trained", and even in graduation classes this is already becoming a given.
    It is surprising that the children of diplomats continue to study at MGIMO, while at the HSE there is a concentration of young men and women of "successful" parents.
    To whom it is surprising, the son of a general will be a general. It's just that if under the Union there was a chance (albeit small) to enter elite educational institutions, then under capitalism a clear hierarchy has long been formed, social elevators are broken and it is almost impossible for a child from a simple family to break through to the top even if you are seven spans in the forehead - busy, sir.
    1. mmaxx
      mmaxx 6 June 2021 06: 52
      +4
      And my daughter entered the place where Putin studied. According to the exam. Otherwise, the chances would have been 0. At least a hundred hand over.
      1. Babay Atasovich
        Babay Atasovich 6 June 2021 18: 50
        0
        Quote: mmaxx
        And my daughter entered the place where Putin studied. According to the exam. Otherwise, the chances would have been 0. At least a hundred hand over.

        And I know a dozen ambassadors from different countries, I spent the night FOR FREE in a presidential suite in an eastern hotel, drank with grandfather Mohamed in his closet, even starred in a movie and I know my aunt Natalka from Alaska .... But Putin and the Unified State Exam have nothing to do with it! laughing wassat laughing
      2. Lyuba1965_01
        Lyuba1965_01 6 June 2021 23: 25
        0
        but you are reasoning.
        Putin was from a simple family, however, he entered the place where your daughter entered only thanks to the Unified State Exam and where she would never have passed without the Unified State Exam.
        Where is the logic?
        1. mmaxx
          mmaxx 7 June 2021 02: 47
          +1
          To understand: we live like this about 5,5 thousand km from St. Petersburg. In a city where the standard of living is very different. Therefore, we cannot afford a lottery with exams. The exam allows you to simply enter a good university WITHOUT HAVING A LOT OF MONEY.
    2. Doctor
      Doctor 6 June 2021 07: 38
      -3
      To whom it is surprising, the son of a general will be a general. It's just that if under the Union there was a chance (albeit small) to enter elite educational institutions, then under capitalism a clear hierarchy has long been formed, social elevators are broken and it is almost impossible for a child from a simple family to break through to the top even if you are seven spans in the forehead - busy, sir.

      The theory of the elites says that about 10% of the ruling class is renewed in any society.
      In the Union, a mere mortal could not climb upstairs either.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 6 June 2021 09: 16
        +4
        Quote: Arzt
        In the Union, a mere mortal could not climb upstairs either.

        Take any leader of the USSR! Are they not from simple families or what? Korolev, Ustinov ... Yes, take at least anti-heroes such as Gorbachev and Yeltsin ... All of the golim villages came out!

        I well remember many in the USSR and did not aspire to become a boss! They said, but why should I be so responsible that they will pay me more for it or something! People lived well at the grassroots level, in contrast to the current sad Russian realities.
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 6 June 2021 09: 29
          -2
          Take any leader of the USSR! Are they not from simple families or what? Korolev, Ustinov ... Yes, take at least anti-heroes such as Gorbachev and Yeltsin ... All of the golim villages came out!

          I well remember many in the USSR and did not aspire to become a boss! They said, but why should I be so responsible that they will pay me more for it or something! People lived well at the grassroots level, in contrast to the current sad Russian realities.

          So the current ones are the same.
          Vladimir Vladimirovich is from a simple Soviet family, Chubais's dad is an officer, tanker, he stormed Berlin, Abramovich grew up in an orphanage. wink

          Capitalism gives everyone a chance! laughing
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 6 June 2021 10: 03
            +1
            Quote: Arzt
            So are the current same.
            Vladimir Vladimirovich is from a simple Soviet family, Chubais's dad is an officer, tanker, he stormed Berlin, Abramovich grew up in an orphanage. wink

            Absolutely not soe. At the time of the collapse of the USSR and the emergence of capitalism, all these odious personalities were in power. They had simple families in the Soviet distant past.

            Quote: Arzt
            Capitalism gives a chance to anyone!

            And what about feudalism, a caste and godfather state, in which we unfortunately live?
            1. Doctor
              Doctor 6 June 2021 10: 37
              -4
              And what about feudalism, a caste and godfather state, in which we unfortunately live?

              It was always and everywhere. Regardless of the tuning.
              But there are always opportunities, too, because the world is changing.

              Yes, it's good to start with a strong back, but it's also relaxing.
              Do you think Kolya Lukashenko will be able to retain power if he gets it from the Pope?

              1. Stas157
                Stas157 6 June 2021 12: 28
                +1
                Quote: Arzt
                It was always and everywhere. Regardless of the systemI am.

                For those who like to generalize, everything is the same everywhere. And yachts, and planes, and palaces of oligarchs, wild social inequality ... everything is the same everywhere! Whether it be capitalism or socialism, it doesn't matter! Do you distinguish between black and white?))
                1. Doctor
                  Doctor 6 June 2021 12: 41
                  -2
                  For those who like to generalize, everything is the same everywhere. And yachts, and planes, and palaces of oligarchs, wild social inequality ... everything is the same everywhere! Whether it be capitalism or socialism, it doesn't matter! Do you distinguish between black and white?))

                  What does capitalism have to do with it? Parents drag their children, this is normal in any system.

                  As my acquaintance, a special officer, said: “The parent who does not feed the child until retirement is bad!”. laughing
          2. sniperino
            sniperino 7 June 2021 07: 23
            -1
            Quote: Arzt
            Abramovich generally grew up in an orphanage.
            Capitalism gives everyone a chance!
            If one word is removed, then a good chant for a political meeting will turn out:
            Abramovich grew up in an orphanage,
            Capitalism gives everyone a chance!
            And in the Communist Parties, stagnation in goal-setting is observed: everything is invited to the bright past. If you go left for a long time, you will find yourself on the right.
    3. your1970
      your1970 6 June 2021 16: 30
      -1
      Quote: SERGE ant
      .Just if under the Soviet Union there was a chance (albeit small) to enter elite educational institutions,
      -in MGIMO? well, well ....
  • Redsun
    Redsun 6 June 2021 04: 46
    +10
    I love the topic of education in VO. Especially for the fact that in the comments there are mostly people who graduated from universities with the union yet. I am finishing this year, so the memories of the exam are quite fresh. You can argue as long as you like that schoolchildren from Moscow and St. Petersburg (myself from here) have more advantages, but with me in the same group almost half are visitors from small towns. Transport university, engineering specialty. About coaching on the exam. And where does the actual format of the exam have to do with it? In any format, they will prepare for it in advance, because its results can affect the whole future fate. Again, the task of the school is not only to give certain knowledge, it is also to teach to learn, to lay down some values, to teach to find information on their own. And yes, the example with Mandelstam and Tsiskaridze is strange. We didn't have the first one in the program, but about the second ... Is it about a modern dancer or something? And why is he so wonderful that every student is obliged to know how his surname is spelled? But the majority of modern schoolchildren are able to explain to their parents about the same cryptocurrency, using competent terms in speech and writing. This is much more relevant and useful than the skill of writing the names of half-forgotten poets.
    1. Babay Atasovich
      Babay Atasovich 6 June 2021 06: 20
      +10
      Upon admission to the flying school, the competition was huge - 15 people per seat, nerves at the limit, the final entrance. Passed an exam in geometry. The proof of the theorem completely knocked out of my head, but I did it because brought it out on the basis of others! We were taught at school not to cram, but to understand and understand the issue! I never thought that knowledge of biology, chemistry, the same botany would be useful in life - in one period they simply saved life.
      In general, I think that in Soviet education, the priority was given to the broadest outlook for life.
      1. mmaxx
        mmaxx 6 June 2021 15: 19
        +1
        When I passed about health and professional selection, another conversation begins. And without this there is no way.
        1. Babay Atasovich
          Babay Atasovich 6 June 2021 17: 20
          0
          Of course, with slanting eyes and a pumped-up thumb, you can't get there. fellow
      2. your1970
        your1970 6 June 2021 16: 33
        -3
        Quote: Babay Atasovich
        Upon admission to the flying school, the competition was huge - 15 people per seat, nerves at the limit, the final entrance. Passed an exam in geometry. The proof of the theorem completely knocked out of my head, but I did it because brought it out on the basis of others! We were taught at school not to cram, but to understand and understand the issue! I never thought that knowledge of biology, chemistry, the same botany would be useful in life - in one period they simply saved life.
        In general, I think that in Soviet education, the priority was given to the broadest outlook for life.

        and then graduates in the USSR came to production and the bosses said, "Now forget everything that you were taught at the institute! You will never need this!"
        1. mmaxx
          mmaxx 6 June 2021 17: 26
          0
          These words circulated like anecdotes and tales. But in relation to life and production, I have never heard, from anyone.
          1. your1970
            your1970 6 June 2021 18: 44
            -2
            Quote: mmaxx
            These words circulated like anecdotes and tales. But in relation to life and production, I have never heard, from anyone.
            -I personally said this to me almost literally my boss in 1992
        2. Babay Atasovich
          Babay Atasovich 6 June 2021 17: 28
          0
          Nooo, there were still differences in the lecturers: some were cramps and Komsomol-party activists, while others were "all F in standard spreads." So the practitioners who were flying in and were no longer powerful in health - they omitted a lot or, on the contrary, supplemented them. And upon arrival, almost all the commanders also graduated from the school and the first question was "who was the squadron commander, chest of drawers, kaz?" Well, if something didn't suit, then it sounded "hear syudy!" drinks
        3. sniperino
          sniperino 7 June 2021 07: 35
          0
          Quote: your1970
          forget everything that you were taught at the institute
          This is A. Raikin.
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 6 June 2021 17: 16
        +2
        "In general, I think that in Soviet education, the priority was given to the broadest horizons for life." Well, then, in the early 90s, the horizons of the Soviet population with the best education and life experience "expanded" so much that millions at the TV charged the water and absorbed Kashpirovsky like dry sponges.
        1. Babay Atasovich
          Babay Atasovich 6 June 2021 17: 31
          -2
          These are people accustomed to the truth from television and belief in government. Who knew that the secret police would put their idiot at the head of state! wassat
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 7 June 2021 07: 40
            0
            Quote: Babay Atasovich
            These are people accustomed to the truth from television and belief in government.
            This phrase alone multiplies the merits of the Soviet school by 0: an education that does not give a person critical thinking cannot be considered a worthy role model.
            1. Babay Atasovich
              Babay Atasovich 7 June 2021 10: 41
              0
              In this expression, the key "truth" and "used to". wink
              1. sniperino
                sniperino 7 June 2021 11: 36
                0
                Quote: Babay Atasovich
                In this expression, the key "truth" and "used to". wink
                Truth is an approximation to truth, therefore it should be sought between opposing opinions. There was no discussion on Soviet television, and the habit of believing grew in the place of critical thinking. Hence, a multi-million audience of astrological forecasts appeared, about the same volume of "charged water" in the late 80s and who believed in Yeltsin and a new life in the early 90s.
        2. Lyuba1965_01
          Lyuba1965_01 7 June 2021 13: 20
          0
          Nothing depends on education here.
          In moments of severe turmoil for the country and the people, people are looking for any outlet they can believe in.
          During the Second World War, even the most stubborn atheists began to believe. Moreover, after the war, atheism returned again
    2. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 6 June 2021 06: 36
      +1
      redsun, if you think that knowledge about cryptocurrency is more important than knowledge of the history of your country, Russian (Soviet) and foreign literature, geography, mathematics, the ability to count in your head and write competently, then I just feel sorry for you. Take away your iPhone, deprive you of access to the Internet and you will be like a blind kitten poking into all obstacles. I don’t know which of you will be an engineer (hopefully a good one), but in the army you just need to serve. Maybe then you will understand that the ability to poke into the phone and information about cryptocurrency is not the main thing in life.
      1. Redsun
        Redsun 6 June 2021 13: 32
        +5
        Understand a simple truth. If a person is not interested in something, then it does not matter how in-depth the school curriculum was. He will forget her anyway, as I forgot biology and chemistry. But I know the history and geography as much wider than the program. Interested in due time and still does not let go. At the same time, I cannot say that the teachers in the first case did not try. It is debatable about counting in the mind, more depends on the person. My friend mentally multiplies three-digit numbers faster than I do two-digit numbers on a calculator, although they taught the same way. And they teach to write competently even now. At least, if somewhere I see an illiterate comment on social networks, then it was usually written by no schoolboy. And the last thing. I don’t have an iPhone, why such stereotyping? It's not just people in their thirties who spend their money adequately
        1. Antonio_Mariarti
          Antonio_Mariarti 8 June 2021 15: 50
          -1
          Quote: redsun
          Understand a simple truth. If a person is not interested in something, then it does not matter how in-depth the school curriculum was. He will forget her anyway, as I forgot biology and chemistry. But I know the history and geography as much wider than the program. Interested in due time and still does not let go. At the same time, I cannot say that the teachers in the first case did not try. It is debatable about counting in the mind, more depends on the person. My friend mentally multiplies three-digit numbers faster than I do two-digit numbers on a calculator, although they taught the same way. And they teach to write competently even now. At least, if somewhere I see an illiterate comment on social networks, then it was usually written by no schoolboy. And the last thing. I don’t have an iPhone, why such stereotyping? It's not just people in their thirties who spend their money adequately

          I agree with you, sometimes you go to Odnoklassnik and start reading the posts of people over 30 and 40 and you wonder how they write. Even VK used to have Memasics with this.
        2. Lyuba1965_01
          Lyuba1965_01 8 June 2021 19: 58
          0
          Now learning to write correctly ???
          Are you kidding me like that?
          I communicate a lot with people and I can say one thing for sure: literacy is now not just in the field, but with a negative meaning.
          A guy studied with me at school, he was a solid C in Russian.
          But he writes much more literate than modern youth, who not only passed the exam in Russian, but also study in humanitarian universities.
          I myself read various articles on the internet, communicate with those who are studying in peda as a teacher of the Russian language and I am getting scared for our language.
          Spelling "tsya" and "tsya" - the impression is that now they are not taught this at all.
          Negative particles "not" and "nor" now just do almost no one knows, they do not know when to use which one.
          And "zhi" and "shi" are generally something transcendental for them.
          How phrases are being built now - Pushkin and Lermontov are turning over in their grave.
          About stress - a separate song, or rather, an epitaph for the death of stress.
          So say what you want, just don't talk about the literacy of today's youth, please ...
      2. Obliterator
        Obliterator 6 June 2021 14: 00
        +2
        Quote: rotmistr60
        edsun, if you think that knowledge about cryptocurrency is more important than knowledge of the history of your country, Russian (Soviet) and foreign literature, geography, mathematics, the ability to count in your head and write competently, then I just feel sorry for you.

        And he didn’t talk about it. You yourself invented it and yourself were offended. The techie is not a philologist,
        and does not have to know all the poets.
    3. mmaxx
      mmaxx 6 June 2021 07: 03
      +2
      Everything is correct. And that nagging got sick.
      There are problems in education. When were they not?
      Maybe with owls. the authorities did not pull the C grade? Yes, 2/3 did not know anything and did not want to know. At the same time, everyone else was disturbed.
      Now normal parents, who care about the future of their children, attach them to lyceums and gymnasiums. They are free. But you cannot enter without knowledge. This makes it possible to cut off all C grade from those who want or can. Is it good or not? In general, maybe not. And from my selfish point - good.
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 6 June 2021 08: 14
        0
        Many people here did not work either at school or at a university, but they write as if their experience is off the charts. I took exams for applicants in the USSR, taught students "victims of the exam" at the university from 91 to 2017. What can I say. Before the USE, the groups of urban and rural schoolchildren were 20 and 80%. After - 50-60. Moreover, the difference is quickly erased. Already by the second year. And ... it is GOOD it raises the general level of education and improves social and genetic mobility. And Tsiskaridze? And who I don’t know ... I haven’t read Mandelstamm, and is alive and well. And I haven't read a lot of things and I don't know a lot and nothing. But my books are read in both Russian and English from the British Seas to Singapore and are approved. And you do not like the USE for your own child - in his college, after the 9th grade. They don't take the exam there. And learning is much easier than at 10-11. The parents themselves do not have brains, but they blame the school!
        1. mmaxx
          mmaxx 6 June 2021 15: 11
          +1
          It is best to give the critic a collection of the profile USE on some subject. Let him decide. Then it will become clear that in order to pass the USE you need well, you need not study for a year, but prepare. In order to enter where you need to. I don't see anything wrong with that. It fosters purposefulness.
          The same story in the Unified State Exam significantly exceeds the volume of history in the USSR.
          And the general level is low, so this is generally for life and for the education system. Most young people do not need anything. That's all. This unit did not need anything in the USSR either. I myself met people who could hardly write. They didn’t read at all.
          And whoever needs it - passed it without any lottery with entrance exams and you can apply to several universities. I would like this ... in due time.
        2. Lyuba1965_01
          Lyuba1965_01 8 June 2021 20: 01
          0
          Do you consider a good knowledge of English an achievement?
          And what is the knowledge of your native language, you have not thought?
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 9 June 2021 06: 06
            0
            Do you think not?
    4. Barberry25
      Barberry25 6 June 2021 12: 29
      0
      good I don’t know how this year, but even when we passed, and we were "probes", then in the same mathematics we had three sections-tests, write the answers and write down the solutions in full, i.e. even then there was no "poke answers" .. those who, during a regular exam, would have written crap in the same way and on the first part would just poke around and leave. My classmate did just that, and after 15 minutes he was already eating a compote with a sandwich in the canteen.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 6 June 2021 06: 04
    +2
    Passed the exam, entered the university. And then, who will succeed. In education there is a very large inequality. Some study for a lot of money. And in their classes there is continuous comfort. A small number of students, and teachers, calm and balanced. These students have already been determined the path. In other schools, the opposite is true. These students are dimly aware of their future.
  • Babay Atasovich
    Babay Atasovich 6 June 2021 06: 07
    +3
    I met a venerable professor - a Turk, known far beyond the borders of Turkey. He admitted that he sincerely hated the USSR and everything connected with it. Until new students began to come to their "VUZ" from the fragments of this! He was dumbfounded by their education !!! He had never met such smart students in all his practice. I asked students to bring textbooks from grades 1 to 10, until the end of my life I studied Russian. Towards the end of his life, he complained that the level of CIS students fell sharply, and after that it even leveled off with the general level. The Unified State Exam is a weapon against the formation of the country!
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 6 June 2021 09: 33
      +3
      Quote: Babay Atasovich
      I met a venerable professor - a Turk, known far beyond the borders of Turkey.

      Quote: Babay Atasovich
      He was dumbfounded by their education !!! He had never met such smart students in all his practice.

      Once the founder of the Sony company, Masaru Ibuka, devoted a lot of time to education in Japan. Having studied the achievements of our educators-innovators, he said: "We will buy up all your methods and then no one will overtake Japan." His dream did not come true, but we would have to take his opinion into account.
      1. Babay Atasovich
        Babay Atasovich 6 June 2021 09: 46
        +2
        One Japanese millionaire was lucky - he was a subscriber of UT, Do It Yourself and the rest. When magazines in the 90s were in question of bankruptcy, he out of gratitude helped laughing
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 6 June 2021 06: 10
    +4
    The fact that the level of education (the amount of knowledge in various subjects) of the average student has decreased several times is visible and audible. If, for example, we take a Soviet C grade student and a modern A student without an iPhone, then I think that a Soviet C grade student will plug the modern student in history, geography, literature, in his mind he will make the simplest calculations while the modern student is looking for an iPhone ... In our time (Soviet) live communication with the teacher and classmates, the book gave much more benefit in the assimilation and consolidation of educational material.
    1. mmaxx
      mmaxx 6 June 2021 07: 04
      0
      Not. Will not shut up.
      1. Babay Atasovich
        Babay Atasovich 6 June 2021 07: 25
        +1
        Considering that young teachers demand to describe 15 !!! The exploits of Hercules, I think the Losers will shut up! laughing
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 6 June 2021 07: 43
          0
          Considering that young teachers demand to describe 15 !!! The exploits of Hercules, I think the Losers will shut up! laughing

          Will not shut up. The student can now go to the homeland of Hercules and clarify. wink
          1. Babay Atasovich
            Babay Atasovich 6 June 2021 18: 37
            0
            And during these competitions, the crowned Scribe suddenly appeared and confused all the cards on a trip to Greece !!! laughing
        2. Barberry25
          Barberry25 6 June 2021 12: 33
          -1
          here the reason is not in the exam, but in the fact that the profession of a teacher is unpopular, therefore they go there to study either by vocation "mom / dad are teachers and I will be a teacher", and then, such units, now there are recruiting those who could not get on other faculties or who are being expelled ... that's why the level of teachers is so low..the material support of teachers should be taken out of the regions and given completely under federal control.
        3. mmaxx
          mmaxx 6 June 2021 15: 05
          -2
          And nobody needs this Hercules. He was not taught in the Soviet school. And nothing. Good, you know. You don't know - figs with him.
    2. Doctor
      Doctor 6 June 2021 07: 04
      +4
      The fact that the level of education (the amount of knowledge in various subjects) of the average student has decreased several times is visible and audible. If, for example, we take a Soviet C grade student and a modern A student without an iPhone, then I think that a Soviet C grade student will plug the modern student in history, geography, literature, in his mind he will make the simplest calculations while the modern student is looking for an iPhone ... In our time (Soviet) live communication with the teacher and classmates, the book gave much more benefit in the assimilation and consolidation of educational material.

      The iPhone is a tool. The same as a calculator or abacus. The Internet speeds up access to information by an order of magnitude, earlier you would have spent time going to libraries and looking for books.

      As for the C grade, I agree, some have soared very high. laughing

      But this was also the case during the Soviet era.
      1. Babay Atasovich
        Babay Atasovich 6 June 2021 07: 12
        +4
        In the absence of which, intelligence drops to the level of a cockroach? wassat
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 6 June 2021 07: 17
          +2
          In the absence of which, intelligence drops to the level of a cockroach? wassat

          It's just a phone. In the USSR, in the absence of a telephone, did intelligence fall below the level of a cockroach?
          You cannot take it for the exam. Just as in the Soviet Union, it was impossible to go out and call during the exam.
          And the fact that access to information has accelerated significantly is good.
          1. Babay Atasovich
            Babay Atasovich 6 June 2021 09: 51
            +2
            Will you live long without him? I've bought myself a simple cell phone for making calls. became dull. Lived a year - fine! You need to transfer information or talk to the client - there is a laptop. And I can know the weather without my cell phone. wink
            1. Doctor
              Doctor 6 June 2021 10: 10
              +1

              0
              Will you live long without him? I've bought myself a simple cell phone for making calls. became dull. Lived a year - fine! You need to transfer information or talk to the client - there is a laptop. And I can know the weather without my cell phone. wink

              A smartphone is a high-speed access to up-to-date information that is always with you. Previously, such opportunities could only be dreamed of.
              If you want to limit - do not enter the Internet.
              Why find out the weather from TV or look for a laptop for communication?
              I do not understand. request
              1. Babay Atasovich
                Babay Atasovich 6 June 2021 11: 36
                0
                Quote: Arzt
                A smartphone is a high-speed access to up-to-date information that is always with you. Previously, such opportunities could only be dreamed of.

                But in fact - eating up time on all sorts of messengers. What about my online rewriting, which is about nothing in essence? Once a month, a letter to the email - alive and well, everything is fine! And all the information is "urgent" - at a certain time, even for stock traders. wink laughing But the grandmothers of any generation who have got used to it, now they go to the benches only when there is no light or the tariff has not been paid! yes
                1. Doctor
                  Doctor 6 June 2021 12: 17
                  +4
                  But in fact - eating up time on all sorts of messengers. What about my online rewriting, which is about nothing in essence? Once a month, a letter to the email - alive and well, everything is fine! And all the information is "urgent" - at a certain time, even for stock traders. wink laughing But accustomed grandmothers of any generation, now they go to the benches only when there is no light or the tariff is not paid! yes

                  It's a matter of self-discipline. In the library, you can also read Kant, or you can look at information about AIDS. laughing
              2. dauria
                dauria 6 June 2021 11: 55
                +1
                A smartphone is a high-speed access to up-to-date information that is always with you.


                Hmm. The other side of the coin is not just an "external drive", it is also an external database search program. Not in the neurons of the brain at a lower level than thinking with words. And located outside, in the car.
                A man sits down to play with the world chess champion, having a connection with a computer. It remains to make the computer pocketable, the connection is invisible to the enemy - and here's a new champion for you. And then even to exclude even thinking in words - a picture with the position of the board immediately in the computer. And voila - the monkey defeats Kasparov.
                And do not say that in life the tasks are more difficult than chess. It doesn't matter, the algorithm is the same. I solved the biological computer in my head, the electronic one will begin to solve it.
                1. Doctor
                  Doctor 6 June 2021 12: 22
                  0
                  Hmm. The other side of the coin is not just an "external drive", it is also an external database search program. Not in the neurons of the brain at a lower level than thinking with words. And located outside, in the car.
                  A man sits down to play with the world chess champion, having a connection with a computer. It remains to make the computer pocketable, the connection is invisible to the enemy - and here's a new champion for you. And then even to exclude even thinking in words - a picture with the position of the board immediately in the computer. And voila - the monkey defeats Kasparov.
                  And do not say that in life the tasks are more difficult than chess. It doesn't matter, the algorithm is the same. I solved the biological computer in my head, the electronic one will begin to solve it.

                  This is primarily time saving.
                  Previously, you had to go to the library to read, to the cinema to watch a movie, to the savings bank to withdraw money and a whole bunch of other things.
                  And now you have the whole world in your pocket. fellow
                  1. dauria
                    dauria 6 June 2021 12: 51
                    +1
                    And now you have the whole world in your pocket.

                    What kind of world? My cat also has the whole world in his pocket. He does not need to go to the library, withdraw money from the savings bank ... They think for him and decide his "Wishlist" laughing I’m not saying that this is bad - I’m saying that it is there and that you’re not going anywhere. Evolution of the electronic brain with heredity, variability and natural selection. Where whole professions have become unnecessary. Where the need to be able to write already disappears! But soon, and "be able to read" will become unnecessary.
                    Great, of course. But how do you think that our descendants will meow under the careful supervision of electronics ... wassat
                    1. Babay Atasovich
                      Babay Atasovich 6 June 2021 15: 30
                      +2
                      Quote: dauria
                      My cat also has the whole world in his pocket.

                      good Credit!
                      I can only add that these cuties go through their "exam-selection" before going out into the World: either purring the commission's hand, or with a deeply bottomless pitiful look, or jumping merrily after a sunbeam, or licking their fur with pleasure. Those who have failed can only wait for the rain and hope for a heartbreaking squeak! ... but later for the owner there is only one thing left - to look for documents for the apartment and poke a cat with his face in them to prove who is the OWNER in the house !!! wassat
                      1. dauria
                        dauria 6 June 2021 16: 48
                        +1
                        these cuties go through their "exam-selection" before going out to the world

                        Hmm ... Far from the topic, but you gave me an interesting idea ... The right to offspring remains only with the "losers of the feline exam selection". Either sterilization, or walk up from a street cat and hide the kittens from the grandmother in the attic until they grow up laughing
                        And it turns out that the selection is on the side of the losers - their descendants will take places in apartments, and in canteens and shops ... Directly civilized Europe and the Arabs. Even the second generation, entrenched in Europe (Moscow, a large city), stops giving birth (1-2 children are not counted, the "non-extinction" coefficient is at least 2,2 per woman). And deliberately. And it is replaced by replenishment from Africa, or villages. True, the villages have already ended ... wink
                        The future belongs to the "Unified State Exam" losers !!!
                      2. Babay Atasovich
                        Babay Atasovich 6 June 2021 17: 59
                        0
                        good
                        You do not accidentally have a relationship with aviation or animation (not mass entertainers am ), is it painfully good and quick to navigate in a new situation ?! wink
                      3. dauria
                        dauria 6 June 2021 18: 45
                        +2
                        You don't accidentally have a relationship with aviation

                        Mass media entertainer ... at your service. soldier
                      4. Babay Atasovich
                        Babay Atasovich 6 June 2021 19: 39
                        +1
                        Naaashi people! good True, the chicken is not a bird, the helicopter pilot pours himself a full one, and half for the flyer! laughing
                      5. your1970
                        your1970 11 June 2021 22: 35
                        0
                        Shale Mine for an hour? repeat
                      6. dauria
                        dauria 11 June 2021 22: 43
                        0
                        not Shale Mine

                        Not .. this photo is generally from Kunduz, the men accidentally clicked, returned from vacation.
  • Lyuba1965_01
    Lyuba1965_01 8 June 2021 20: 04
    0
    The Internet speeds up access to information - yes, you are right.
    But you do not understand something else: while the student was looking for information in dozens of books and textbooks, he read and memorized many other things along the way, related or related to what he was looking for.
  • your1970
    your1970 6 June 2021 16: 40
    +1
    Quote: rotmistr60
    ... If, for example, you take a Soviet C grade student and a modern A student without an iPhone, then I think that a Soviet C grade student will plug the modern

    oh yeah !! The old one is very example-but vital repeat
    “And so I sat down more tightly. Vera Fyodorovna slowly and carefully put on her glasses and stared at my opus:
    - Secondly. You wrote that, here, here, page sixteen: "The cow that my father bought, when it returned from the front, died"? Did you write that?
    “Yes,” I said, and chuckled, for in my youth I was laughing. And suddenly I clearly imagined that my cow was defending Moscow and reached Berlin, and returning from the front, the poor fellow, died. "©
    1979, Viktor Konetsky, "Yesterday's worries"

    my classmates gave out similar pearls in the 70s easily and naturally
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 6 June 2021 06: 20
    +2
    Quote: redsun
    And yes, the example with Mandelstam and Tsiskaridze is strange. We didn't have the first one in the program, but about the second

    You wrote the "+" correctly. But Mandelstam and even a dancer-showman are included in the history program for grades 10-11.
  • mmaxx
    mmaxx 6 June 2021 06: 31
    +4
    I, too, at school did not know who Mandelstam and Babel were. If they are not in the program and not in the books, you won’t recognize them.
    And the lottery in exams is much worse than the exam. I know from myself. And I know how exam papers were written for children of "good" people and medalists. This is when there was no exam.
    It would be better if they canceled all these ratings and so on. Schools do not understand why. Another would be to cancel the workbooks. This is where the children are engaged in guessing.
    1. Babay Atasovich
      Babay Atasovich 6 June 2021 07: 06
      +3
      Be modest! Now the first three classes at the level of the elementary school of the USSR are enough - to learn to write-read-count, and the rest is necessary in Wikipedia. Delov something! 3 years of study, with a year in the profile and forward into the bright blogging realities to make a free loot! fellow wassat laughing
    2. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 6 June 2021 13: 32
      +2
      Mandelstam, actually it is OH, not she
      1. mmaxx
        mmaxx 6 June 2021 16: 55
        0
        Thank you. I'll climb in and read it though. And then I will be lost, not knowing. At the same time I will find out what kind of Babel she is. I remember the anecdote about Budyonny about Babel.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 6 June 2021 06: 50
    +5
    Breaking, not building. They broke Soviet education, it turned out not very good. If they break the exam, it will not be better either. Because there is no single approach to education. There are many contradictions. There are also our own interests. We do not have a common point of view on many issues. And polemics are ruled out. Each guru considers his point of view, not subject to criticism.
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 6 June 2021 07: 27
      0
      Breaking, not building. They broke Soviet education, it turned out not very good. If they break the exam, it will not be better either. Because there is no single approach to education. There are many contradictions. There are also our own interests. We do not have a common point of view on many issues. And polemics are ruled out. Each guru considers his point of view, not subject to criticism.

      What they broke there! As they tortured "Mumu", they torture. laughing
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 6 June 2021 06: 57
    +4
    The article is of high quality, the author - "+" for the review. Only the last paragraph is written incorrectly.
    The USE was taken by ALL 11th grade graduates. This order was changed when the "crown" appeared. In 2022, the previous OGE / USE regime will simply be restored.

    Criticism of the exam is incorrect by 90%. It makes no sense for people to prove the obvious. Without the Unified State Exam, ordinary people will have near-zero chances of enrolling in sane specialties. There will not be enough money (1-5 million for training) or connections. The disadvantages of the exam can only be attributed to: the sophistication of the forms, the small number of options for assignments leaves a loophole for swindlers.
    Advantages of the Unified State Exam - instead of final and entrance examinations, only the Unified State Exam is passed, it is possible to submit documents to several universities, you can apply for 4 years, answer 30 small questions instead of 3 - more easily and objectively for the student.

    But for this, thanks to the author from the teacher!
    [quote More - more. Rosobrnadzor says that in ten years we will see a completely different algorithm for assessing students. All achievements of schoolchildren, participation in olympiads, circles, diplomas, letters will be recorded in their "digital biographies". And applicants will enter universities with the help of personal portfolios, where the exam will be only one of the components.] [/ Quote]

    Here is the "separator" of "digital biographies" - it will be a terrible evil! This will be the continuation of the line for creating education for the elite! And now I see it in education every day. The fate of the "portfolio" will be decided by the behind-the-scenes puppeteers "above." All information about life and "achievements" will be entered into electronic journals from the coming academic year. Who needs this "unnatural" selection? The main educational "censor" Anzor Muzaev is in charge of this issue. About "vasyuki" digitalization sang yesterday at the PEMF head of the Ministry of Education Mr. Kravtsov (by profession - a specialist in information technology). Kravtsov is the ideologue of absurd VLOOKUP. His idea is to control general education through a series of virtual tests. This will be the end of common sense at school. There is not enough of it left.
  • Boris55
    Boris55 6 June 2021 07: 44
    -7
    Therefore, the testing mechanism, like a social lift, will still remain.

    When the USE was introduced, they said that this will enable people from the "hinterland" to enter Moscow universities. Today these universities and their branches are a dime a dozen. Anyone can enroll in free or paid education, i.e. what they talked about when introducing the USE is no longer meaningful today.

    When the USE was introduced, they said that this is to fight corruption, bribery. Today this is within the framework of the law "on paid education." By and large, parents do not care who they pay, and in many cases it is cheaper for a tutor, members of the admission committee or a teacher, i.e. what was said when introducing the USE did not make sense from the beginning.

    The harm from the exam is much more than the benefit. For the last couple of years, the school has not been teaching, but coaching for the correct answers. The monkeys in the circus are irradiated with this in a shorter time ...

    What to do? In universities, upon admission of applicants, do not take into account the results of the exam. Conduct their own entrance exams and enroll candidates only based on their results. Then, in schools, students will not be trained for correct answers, but prepared for admission to universities. Then the exam will lose all its meaning and wither away by itself.

    Output. The Bologna education system for Aboriginal people (in the worst sense of the word) should be banned. We are not in a circus and we are not monkeys.
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 6 June 2021 08: 13
      0
      What to do? In universities, upon admission of applicants, do not take into account the results of the exam. Conduct their own entrance exams and enroll candidates only based on their results. Then, in schools, students will not be trained for correct answers, but prepared for admission to universities. Then the exam will lose all its meaning and wither away by itself.

      In military schools it is.
      Therefore, a regiment with a group of selected applicants appears there, before passing the physio, and they surrender individually. wink

      So, you can safely multiply any official competition in VU by 2.laughing

      And if you try to undergo psychological testing at the FSB Academy…. bully
      1. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 6 June 2021 13: 31
        0
        So at the time she was exactly the same ...
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 6 June 2021 15: 02
          0
          So at the time she was exactly the same

          Sure. Dropout filter. And he stayed.
          But it is not so with the exam. Here are my 300 points, enroll!
          1. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 6 June 2021 16: 58
            0
            And the other has 300, BUT he turns out to be the winner of the Olympiads there, a medalist and someone else, and a plus point ... children are wound up so that they think everything, or the exam or life is over ... if dad's mothers are on valerian, what can we say about children
            1. Doctor
              Doctor 6 June 2021 17: 07
              0
              And the other has 300, BUT he turns out to be the winner of the Olympiads there, a medalist and someone else, and a plus point ... children are wound up so that they think everything, or the exam or life is over ... if dad's mothers are on valerian, what can we say about children

              For any exam on valerian.
              In Japan, in general, one attempt is made to enter a university - after school.
              I didn’t enter - that's it, let's goodbye. wassat
      2. bzbo
        bzbo 6 June 2021 23: 30
        0
        Promotion of university corruption
    2. kalibr
      kalibr 6 June 2021 08: 21
      +9
      Quote: Boris55
      Conduct their own entrance exams and enroll candidates only based on their results.

      University teachers should not be allowed to take exams at all. This is what I, as a teacher of the Higher School, speak with 32 experience.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 6 June 2021 08: 25
        -1
        Quote: kalibr
        University teachers should not be allowed to take exams at all. This is what I, as a teacher of the Higher School, speak with 32 experience.

        Did you take bribes? laughing

        And if the teachers are stimulated that if at least one of his students becomes a Nobel laureate, then he has a star of the hero of labor on his chest, then how?
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 6 June 2021 08: 27
          +4
          I didn’t take bribes, it’s a very dangerous business. But I've seen enough of subjectivism. And you won't be able to stimulate teachers. The career is short. Wait until your student becomes an academician at 75, you will die three times.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 6 June 2021 08: 30
            +2
            I took this to the extreme, but you can think of something like this. As an example: how many graduates work in their specialty - this and +% to the salary.
            1. kalibr
              kalibr 6 June 2021 08: 39
              +7
              In Soviet times, ALL graduates of a teacher training college had to go to the village. Especially target people from the village. It was the LAW. And this is how it was respected. Village girls married city girls, fictitiously. If only not to go ... city people married engineers - "sent to the place of work of her husband." Gave birth to children - "left in the city to take care of the child." "has a wife with a child up to 1,5 years old." They brought information: "he cannot speak for more than two hours" - he was left in the city for health reasons. I had two groups of 50 people. Only a few have gone to the village! If you realize what you propose, there will be a lot of fictitious jobs with a cut% to the salary, that's all. Firms will appear for different specialties!
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 6 June 2021 08: 52
                +1
                Quote: kalibr
                If you realize what you offer, there will be a lot of fictitious jobs with a cut% to salary

                In our digital world, when Mishustin knows where, who, what and how much he received and where he spent. When spaceships ply the endless expanses of the world's oceans, every sane individual cannot ignore the tendencies of paradoxical illusions. laughing

                There would be a desire, but there are ways to find how to do something and how not to do anything.

                ps
                If the stimulated teachers recruited their own applicants, the indicators would be much better. Incentives can be discussed, but there is something about it.
                1. kalibr
                  kalibr 6 June 2021 12: 03
                  0
                  Quote: Boris55
                  If the stimulated teachers recruited their own applicants, the indicators would be much better. Incentives can be discussed, but there is something about it.

                  Then it would be like this: there would be no end to the students from me. But there were other teachers besides me. With a degree. And they should have been fired, right? But one would not have dragged everyone. So the "fool" needs to be kept in the wings. But pay less ... And she will not agree. And how to be? Pay me less and pay her extra? I disagree ... And who will work in the end?
              2. Iskazi
                Iskazi 6 June 2021 17: 03
                0
                There is a solution, a target agreement, non-performance - financial sanctions
                1. kalibr
                  kalibr 6 June 2021 18: 12
                  +1
                  Dmitriy! This was all in the USSR. Not sanctions - criminal prosecution was threatened with non-execution. The diploma was not issued. So what? ... All this was on ... ru. Found loopholes. Married, had children - what are the sanctions? . Married - "love is evil ...". Children under 1,5 years old: "stupid business is not tricky" ...
                  1. Iskazi
                    Iskazi 9 June 2021 01: 18
                    +1
                    Yes, I know ... they swam. They did not dare to use Western approaches, Student loans are a strong thing ..., jokes with the bank are bad. Yes, and after Comrade Stalin completely lost the shores ..., sadly
    3. kalibr
      kalibr 6 June 2021 12: 10
      0
      Quote: Boris55
      we are not monkeys.

      Who deceived you so?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 6 June 2021 17: 22
        0
        Man is a kind of monkey - evolution is evolution.
    4. your1970
      your1970 6 June 2021 16: 51
      +1
      Quote: Boris55
      Today these universities and their branches are a dime a dozen.
      -specify the address branch of MGIMO?at least one?

      Quote: Boris55
      Anyone can enroll in free or paid education, i.e.
      -those who scored more points - go to study FreeFor example, 3 points were not enough for me ...

      Quote: Boris55
      By and large, parents do not care who they pay, and in many cases it is cheaper for a tutor, members of the admission committee or a teacher, i.e. what was said when introducing the USE did not make sense from the beginning.
      - they did not pay a penny to anyone ..... Of the son's classmates, 6 people were tutoring, the rest handed it over themselves. Most of them are in institutes ...

      Quote: Boris55
      Conduct their own entrance exams and enroll candidates only based on their results.
      -Chubais will cry from envy - to the teaching staff, because ...
      If this, God forbid, happens, I will get my diploma, I will give the apartment as a bribe for the position of a teacher in ANYONE university and in a year I will buy a new hut and a Porsche (Mercedes will have time to get bored repeat )
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 6 June 2021 19: 07
        0
        tell me the address of the MGIMO branch? at least one?

        https://odin.mgimo.ru/
    5. mmaxx
      mmaxx 6 June 2021 17: 02
      0
      The harm from the exam is much more than the benefit. For the last couple of years, the school has not been teaching, but coaching for the correct answers. The monkeys in the circus are irradiated with this in a shorter time ...
      Take a collection of the exam on any PROFILE subject and try to train. Considering that this is all changing every year. It's easier to learn Soviet tickets. You will train for a three. 90 points - nothing. You need to know. More precisely, even - to love the object. And those who are three, and before nothing but three was not needed. There is no point in taking care of the C grade. They had been dragged out in the exams for the top three before. Just to get rid of them.
    6. Lyuba1965_01
      Lyuba1965_01 8 June 2021 21: 18
      0
      Agree with you.
      I think that the USE can be left, but for admission to a university, an applicant must have a certain number of points in order to be able to simply submit documents there.
      And it goes without saying to take an exam upon admission to a university.
      That is, to leave the USE, as is customary in sports, as a qualifying exam, which makes it possible to simply try to pass the exam when entering a university.
  • tatra
    tatra 6 June 2021 09: 19
    -2
    And who is involved in the education of children and youth in post-Soviet Russia? And those who, even during their perestroika, proved that no better education and upbringing can change their low intelligence, monstrous ignorance, the mentality of cattle and plebeians with inadequately high self-esteem. What can I teach children and young people who have in the lexicon "Scoop, scoops, Rashka, guardians", who seriously claims that one country can feed the whole world?
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 6 June 2021 12: 05
      +2
      Quote: tatra
      What can I teach children and youth those who have in the vocabulary "Scoop, scoops, Rashka, henchmen

      The fact that "a scoop is a scoop"! And Raska is Raska ". And why is it bad? Many" children "even like it. Understand, Tatra, it doesn't matter what to teach children. From the word ALL. The level at which they teach is important. There is a low, there is a high. scoops ", from" high ", those who steer them. That's all.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 June 2021 17: 26
      0
      "The mentality of cattle and plebeians with inadequately high self-esteem" - In Russia, such features of society were always the same in the USSR - and alas, this problem will not leave Russia for a very long time.
  • certero
    certero 6 June 2021 10: 12
    +3
    How I would like when I was in school that there was a single exam. Where your grade does not depend on the mood of the teacher.
    The poor vocabulary of modern schoolchildren has absolutely nothing to do with the Unified State Exam.
    1. Lyuba1965_01
      Lyuba1965_01 8 June 2021 21: 19
      -1
      Exactly what is connected - children do not need a nerve to pass the exam, they just need to fill in the boxes, so speaking becomes a thing of the past, there are only mat and interjections between English words.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 6 June 2021 10: 33
    0
    Today is the birthday of Alexander Sergeevich Pushkin. I remembered this for a reason. If you put everything on the Ministry of Education, nothing good will come of it. The Ministry of Culture should be involved here. It should help schoolchildren in humanitarian knowledge. If you now ask how many films were shot based on works of art Pushkin, then a knowledgeable person will not answer. Everybody knows what the Ministry of Culture offers to the viewer now. But how can Zuleikha and her like heroes help? Yes, nothing. Except anger, nothing.
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 6 June 2021 10: 57
    +1
    What are you different about free sports sections. Yes, in any city there are stadiums and more than one, with outdoor exercise equipment. If there are not several thousand per child per month, then maybe it was not worth having children then? Calculate how much you spend on beer, vodka and snacks per month. And do not whistle that everyone is teetotal. In the USSR, yes, there was free inventory. But if you, for example, went in for skiing, then for the competition you had to buy a "fisher" yourself, for example, because you would not have gone far on Soviet skis. And so in everything.
    1. mmaxx
      mmaxx 6 June 2021 17: 03
      0
      This phisher still had to be obtained from nowhere ...
  • iouris
    iouris 6 June 2021 11: 14
    +3
    And they look so modern! They know how to use "Tik-tok" ...
    - Your education?
    - 25 years of commanding studies ... Ah-ah-ah, write: "illiterate"!
  • kamakama
    kamakama 6 June 2021 12: 44
    +2
    How many adults with a high-quality Soviet education will distinguish Bebel from Babel and spell the composer Musorgsky's surname correctly? BUT?
    And since I am obliged to know who Tsiskaridze is (he is still alive, and it is somehow not accepted to discuss the living in history lessons), do those people who demand this from schoolchildren know how to solve quadratic equations with parameters? What is the discriminant, how many planets are there in the solar system and how many oceans? I have a daughter in 2nd grade and the answers to these questions are different from those that I went through in my school.
  • Living7111972
    Living7111972 6 June 2021 13: 18
    +5
    I am for the Unified State Exam, I used to be against everyone, too, well, I did not know. BUT in the process of preparing his son for delivery in 2017. I sat with him, helped as much as I could, and I'll tell you, it's not easy.
    He passed physics, mathematics and Russian (he studied in a cadet with a PLP, a physics and mathematics profile), but he was going to enter honey, so chemistry and biology in addition.
    We prepared hard, but from the first time he did not get into the VMedA, he studied at the medical university for a year and from the second time, after retaking the exam in chemistry and biology, having improved his scores by ten, he entered. I can tell who wants to pass.
  • Vova174
    Vova174 6 June 2021 17: 12
    +2
    The cancellation of the USE by Tolstoy and his comrades is either a populist move, or lobbying for the interests of a handful of people from the faculty who have lost the trough. It will not work to play the "guessing game" on the Unified State Exam, at least in physics, chemistry, biology, mathematics (I don’t know about others). In fact, the Unified State Exam made it possible for students from the regions to enter central universities, which again annoys the leaders. for nonresidents should be settled somewhere, and they are somehow more motivated to learn. By the way, many mathematics teachers note that the assignments for the Unified State Exam, say, in Moscow are somewhat different from the assignments in the regions. In the regions, the tasks were more difficult. As for the "stupidity" of students - every year the teachers say that students are getting dumber every year. My brother graduated from the institute with honors, came to work and heard that "they don't teach anything at the institutes now." 1985, however. Well, about the fact that children do not know the meaning of some obsolete words can be argued for a long time. But even 50 - 60-year-olds do not know many modern terms. especially in the part of electronics. Well, there is no blockage near the city houses now. Yes, and "canopy" already very few people speak, and wagons do not ride on the roads. It's not about the exam, but about the general development. And here it already depends not so much on the school. how much from parents.
    1. Lyuba1965_01
      Lyuba1965_01 8 June 2021 21: 23
      0
      In your opinion, in the days of the USSR, children from Gluinka did not study in universities ???
      We studied, even as we studied.
      It's just that the exam is good because it only needs a good memory.
      Whoever has it will pass the exam.
      This is mechanical learning, but not meaningful in any way, whatever the tasks may be.
      1. Vova174
        Vova174 9 June 2021 10: 19
        0
        You can pass any exam if your memory is good. And any training includes the "mechanical" development of skills, whether it is solving mathematical problems or processing a workpiece. You simply repeat after journalists who have long had no idea what they are talking about and listen to "experts" who have not worked in education for a long time (or have not even worked, the latter include officials from all sorts of *** IT). Yes, there is a problem with teachers in schools, there are a lot of children who cannot get high scores. And this is bad, but the exam has nothing to do with it. Yes, children from the provinces entered the capital's universities, but it was many times more difficult. In addition, the Unified State Exam saved applicants from many problems. For example, during the entrance exams you have to live somewhere, to eat something. Yes, and no less nerves in exams.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 6 June 2021 18: 05
    +1
    Not in the EG problem. The problem is in the training system. Now teachers "familiarize" and all children learn at home or with tutors ....
  • Doliva63
    Doliva63 6 June 2021 18: 24
    -2
    The abolition of the Unified State Exam under the current government in the Russian Federation is impossible, as is the abolition of privatization, for example.
  • Aag
    Aag 6 June 2021 21: 39
    +1
    I apologize to the respected VO community, - did not finish reading all the comments under the article, - for the purity of judgment ...
    IMHO: cancellation of the Unified State Exam, - now, - a step, mostly populist. Judge for yourself, -20 years have passed, -that is, those who passed this notorious Unified State Exam in the forefront. Have long been "bringing up" children in kindergartens, "teach" in high school, and in universities (closer to the subject, -in higher education institutions) ...
    Without details, examples (I have them), do you think (or the initiators of the cancellation of the exam think) that it is worth canceling these tests and everything will be fine, ?! To all of us ... a fragrant vegetable from the garden, in all a cheerful physiognomy! These same people, in accordance with their level of education, worldview will "judge" the graduates.
    I will not develop the topic, - I think, basically, - again the sadness ...))
  • bzbo
    bzbo 6 June 2021 23: 26
    0
    Such an article can be written by a person who does not get more than 30 points in physics, chemistry, mathematics, computer science and the Russian language. Pathetic humanist history lover from non-historians and literature from non-literators
  • Aag
    Aag 6 June 2021 23: 41
    0
    Quote: Stas157
    Quote: Liam
    Quote: Stas157

    And if there are several sections (my child has three)?

    And how many times a week does the child go to these 3 sections?

    Twice a week each. Total 6 times. One section (circle) is playing the button accordion - 1 hour. Swimming - 45 minutes. They fit together perfectly in one day. I didn't understand what surprised you. Do you think this is impossible?

    Stas157, maybe not so much for you as for your opponents: there were five workouts per week (1,5 hours), then, -45 (partially, -two per day, -first before school, -XNUMX minutes).
    And everything is FREE!
    hi
  • would
    would 7 June 2021 10: 54
    0
    Alas and ah, but the author does not know how to look into the depths of the problem and, as it often happens, in a populist way, he blames the Unified State Exam. They say we will cancel the exam and everything will change. The author does not understand that the educational crisis in the country is systemic and the USE is only one part of this crisis, and at the moment it is not the worst one. It cannot be denied that the USE also has positive aspects. As well as it cannot be denied that quite quickly after the introduction of the Unified State Exam, which was said about "For many guys from the provinces, this is the only chance to enter Moscow State University!" the same Moscow State University again introduced entrance exams in all directions. And we perfectly understand why this happened.

    Now, if you cancel the exam, then will they begin to teach better in schools? In universities? Will higher education stop being an ordinary piece of paper that does not guarantee the availability of knowledge? The problem is that it is not. Pupils know the program poorly not at all because they have been studying well for 11 years, but before they graduate from the USE and this makes everything bad. It is necessary to reform the entire system, starting at least from elementary school, and the reform should be general, and not "we reform one thing, leave the other." We need a system of education!
  • Kushka
    Kushka 7 June 2021 15: 49
    +1
    Quote: Zaurbek
    Not in the EG problem. The problem is in the training system. Now teachers "familiarize" and all children learn at home or with tutors ....

    An elderly school principal introduced a new history teacher to the class
    and left. Later, going into the teacher's room, he found her crying.
    -What happened, honey?
    -I wanted to know what material in the class had already been learned and asked who
    took the Bastille, and no one could answer me ...
    - Ugh, honey, you scared me, I thought something serious.
    Come on, this is nonsense, well, someone took it - they will return this bastille to you.
  • Kushka
    Kushka 7 June 2021 16: 01
    0
    Quote: your1970
    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
    .

    The nephew works in KiB as a salesman with the function loader - require higher economic education. No? Go look for work further ...
    ",

    The MASTER stands chest-deep in the sewer in this very (well, you understand),
    and at the top is the Trainee.
    -Let the key for 27 (crouched to the chin)
    -Come on 32 (sat down again)
    -Yes, do not twist your head, but look and LEARN!
    Otherwise, you will be giving the keys all your life!
  • Zoer
    Zoer 10 June 2021 09: 34
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    I have a question for the author of the text. And then he at least tried to memorize the correct answers and "fill in" the necessary columns in the form of the modern exam? Is it okay that in Russian they are now writing an essay - admission to the exam, and then on the exam itself there is a part with the essay? Nothing that in mathematics, except for the test part, there is a serious part with problems and equations? The same is true for all other subjects.
    Do you say no outlook? And what, in a physics and mathematics school, you need to give more history or social studies? Add Orthodox culture?
    Author, pour it out already !. The Unified State Exam has long been different from what it was at the beginning.