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Soviet ship as part of the US Navy rapid reaction force

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Soviet ship as part of the US Navy rapid reaction force

On the world market of civilian freight and military transport, a significant proportion is occupied by Soviet and Russian vehicles. Receive regularly newsrelated to the An-12 or Mi-8 incidents somewhere in the impassable jungle of the Republic of the Congo. The Soviet Union disappeared 20 years ago, but Soviet aircraft continued to fly in large numbers in those parts, showing reliability miracles: the aircraft are being used against all the rules and regulations, without the necessary maintenance for many years. During this time, their parts and assemblies have developed several resources, but Ana and Ila regularly serve the cargo traffic.

18 July 2012, the Pentagon’s website published official information about the purchase of 10 Russian helicopters (http://www.defense.gov/contracts/contract.aspx?contractid=4835 - knowledge of English is not necessary, everything is clear in the first line) . The exact amount of the contract is $ 171,380,636. The delivery of the Mi-17 (export version of the Mi-8) should be completed in the 2016 year. It should be noted that the Russian equipment is not bought at the price of scrap metal: $ 171 million for ten helicopters - for 17 million dollars for each car! Almost as much is the American Black Hawk multipurpose UH-60 - from 20 million dollars per unit. Of course, the operation of Russian helicopters is, on average, cheaper, but it is clear that the Pentagon’s “helicopter adventure” arose not only because of the desire to reduce the cost of purchasing equipment. The Mi-8 family of helicopters impressed the American military with its simplicity and reliability, while the payload of the “fat” Mi-8 was quite expected to be greater than that of the Black Hawk. And during transport missions in Afghanistan, high-tech equipment UH-60 turned out to be largely unnecessary - the helicopter was only required to take on board the cargo and deliver it to the specified point. The use of heavy Chinook helicopters has led to an increase in transportation costs, they are more vulnerable and less adapted for flying in the mountains.

There has long been a project related to the lease of An-124 for the needs of NATO. Since 2002, Volga-Dnepr has been providing international cargo services to Afghanistan using IL-76 and An-124 Ruslan. In 2006, the NATO command concluded a lease agreement for six Ruslans - three Russian (Volga-Dnepr) and three Ukrainian (Antonov Airlines). After the plane crash in Lashkargah in 2006, it became known about the use of An-26 aircraft as part of the units to support special operations of the US Air Force.
The success of the former Soviet technology is logical, and this is confirmed by our following история.

What unusual can be in the ship "Young Corporal Roy Wit"? Only one of the twelve rolkers belonging to the Maritime Transportation Command (Military Sealift Command). Like the rest of the US Navy transport ships, a large elegant roll-on container ship is used to supply American troops around the world. But the main secret of the gas turbine rolls USNS LCPL ROY M. WHEAT is that initially it was “Vladimir Vaslyaev” - the beauty and pride of the Black Sea Shipping Company.

He went to Igarka, to Rio, to Nagasaki ...

In 1979, in Nikolaev, the unique Kapitan Smirnov gas turbine ship, the lead ship of the 1609 Atlantic project, was launched. Over the next year, similar types of “Captain Mezentsev” and “Engineer Yermoshkin” left the stocks. The last in the series of gas turbine avenues of the 1609 avenue was “Vladimir Vaslyaev”, 1987 year.

Four large-capacity rolker (English roll - roll) were intended for the carriage of goods on the wheelbase (cars, trucks, special equipment, etc.), and if desired, could be used as container carriers. The equipment was driven onto the deck under its own power - for this purpose, a wide ramp (folding part of the stern) was provided in the stern. Three horizontal cargo compartments had a capacity of 54313 cube. The cargo was located on the 4's decks and on the second floor. For the movement of cargo inside the vessel, on board Ro-Rokers, there were 14 auto-loaders manufactured by Valmet (Finland) and stationary internal ramps with inclination 7 ° leading from one deck to another.

"Engineer Emroshkin" with a peaceful cargo under the Soviet flag

But the main feature of the gas turbine type "Captain Smirnov" was a high speed, unprecedented before for civilian vessels - at full speed a huge roller with a displacement of 36 thousand tons easily developed 25 nodes. The vessel "Captain Smirnov" worked on the Black Sea - Vietnam line and for 50 days visited 16 ports.

Gas turbine vehicle, as its name implies, is driven not by ordinary low-cost diesel engines, but by powerful gas turbines. The power plant "Captain Smirnova" issued on the shaft 50 thousand liters. with. Such an unexpected choice of the type of power plant for a rokker raises some doubts about the purpose of the vessel. The fact is that the gas turbine, ceteris paribus, is inferior to diesel in terms of efficiency, and the speed of 25-26 units for a commercial vessel is clearly excessive. For comparison: the modern container ship of the highest ice class "Norilsk Nickel" (29 thousand tons, built in 2006 year) is driven by an azipod-type steering column with a capacity of about 18 thousand liters. with.

Indeed, "Captain Smirnov" never went at full speed - the main gas turbine units in the main operation worked in a "cross mode", in which there was a gas turbine engine and a heat recovery boiler on one side and a steam turbine on the other side. This made it possible to somewhat reduce fuel consumption, the rate “decreased” to 19 — 20 knots, and the fuel consumption per mile was 210 kg.

The strange construction of the Rokker means the following: “Captain Smirnov” was created as a warship! Let me clarify my point: the roller had a dual purpose - if necessary, “peaceful Soviet transport” could be quickly converted into a high-speed supply transport. And it could not be otherwise in the USSR, even if the diameter of cigarettes and pasta corresponded to the caliber of ammunition.

High-speed transportation of supply is an excellent tool for warfare on foreign shores. A few days after receiving the order, “Captain Smirnov” would have lowered his aft ramp to the berth in the port of Tartus, and a hundred or two armored personnel carriers with armor heavily covered with paratroopers would slide down from it under the caressing Mediterranean sun. High-speed roller skaters can be successfully used for the delivery of important cargoes - several C-300 divisions may move instead of armored cars to the shore, for example.

USNS LCPL ROY M. WHEAT - Amazingly Elegant Ship

For comparison: large landing ships of the 775 Ave. (Caesar Kunikov) have a displacement of 4000 tons, the maximum travel of 18 knots, cruising range is 6000 miles per 12 knots. (for the "Captain Smirnov" rocking club, 16 000 miles on 20 knots). Of course, it is incorrect to directly compare the ocean gas jet ship with a tank landing ship - they have completely different designs and tasks. But, I hope, readers have understood my point - a high-speed roller could deliver 20 thousand tons of cargo to anywhere in the world.

Another confirmation of my conclusions about the military mission of the ship: the unrealized project of the anti-submarine helicopter carrier of the 10200 Avenue Halzan was created on the basis of the “civilian” rocking ship “Captain Smirnov”!

Was this an effective solution: instead of real military and commercial ships, build dual-use hybrids? As is known, the universal remedy is always inferior to the specialized one, and the standards of military shipbuilding have a bad effect on the characteristics of commercial ships. Nevertheless, the Rocking machines honestly worked in the Baltic and Black Sea Shipping Companies, and even remained profitable thanks to the ingenuity of the ship "rationalizers", such as the "cross mode" of the GEM. Over the 12 years of operation, the crew of "Captain Smirnov" introduced 100 performance proposals, which in itself is alarming. As a result, the ship increasingly acquired the features of an ordinary commercial vessel.

As for the possible issue of re-equipping "Captain Smirnov" -type rollers as an ersatz aircraft carrier (helicopter carrier), this is most likely a fantasy. For basing aviation on the deck will need a radical restructuring of the ship. Where to store jet fuel? Where to accommodate several hundred people (standard crew of a roller - 55 people)? A few months on the upper deck will kill helicopters - aircraft carriers must have a hangar. Mount any removable structures on the flight deck? - It is easier to replace damaged aircraft. Set up a deck hangar? Most likely, the helicopter will not enter in height - you have to cut the whole ship. Plus the cost of one or two lifts. And is it possible that someone will send an absolutely unprotected ship to the zone of possible military operations? It will require the installation of several self-defense systems, the replacement of radar and electronics. As a result, we get a very expensive hybrid with truncated characteristics.

New life


After the collapse of the Soviet Union, all four Rocker went to Ukraine and were privatized. Not knowing how to dispose of honestly acquired property, their owners sold four huge handsome companies to Global Container Lines and Marianna Shipbuilding Ltd. In 2001-2002, three of them ended up in a scrap yard in India. The remaining "Vladimir Vaslyaev" joined the ranks of the US Navy.

The Americans conducted a radical modernization of the ship: the ship's hull was disassembled and extended by inserting an additional section. The full displacement of the rokker increased to 50 thousand tons. The ship power station was replaced - the American equipment is designed for the frequency of the current 60 Hz. The rest of the design of the Roker is not changed - its unique power plant remained the same. Even with the USNS LCPL ROY M. increased in 1,5 fold, WHEAT is now able to develop 20 nodes. With the introduction of more automation, the crew of the Rokker was reduced to 29 people.

Due to its unique characteristics, the former Soviet ship was selected among other 30 ships to the rapid reaction force group - an elite unit of the Shipping Command.
What can be said in conclusion? The admirals of the US Navy have a great taste - among thousands of ships abandoned to the mercy of the Soviet fleet they were able to choose for themselves the most valuable.

Flag of Ukraine Square? No, this is just a quick response symbol. The sailors form completely dispelled all doubts.


Note:
The author has some doubts about the successful unloading of the "Kapitan Smirnov" type of roker in the port of Tartus. For example, the aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov" during a visit to 2012, was unable to moor because of its colossal dimensions and stood in the roadstead.
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  1. Lexx
    Lexx 1 September 2012 09: 17
    +8
    Great ships. And as usual, in its repertoire, it was non-winter — Neither winter, so I nibble.
  2. Strashila
    Strashila 1 September 2012 09: 18
    +1
    After all, we can, there would be a desire and a will to fulfill.
    1. Van
      Van 2 September 2012 22: 57
      +3
      Quote: Strashila

      After all, we can, there would be a desire and a will to fulfill.


      Unfortunately, we don’t have a desire until there is someone to rule us with a steel hand, and there will be no will, until we bow to the western calf. recourse
  3. Gym teacher
    Gym teacher 1 September 2012 09: 26
    -32
    The beautiful name Lance Corporal Roy Whit suits this ship better than V. Vaslyaev
    1. Foamas
      Foamas 1 September 2012 11: 45
      +9
      By the way, this guy died in Vtnam in 1967 (he closed a mine, saved his platoon comrades).
      Conscript from Mississippi, posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor.
    2. Dr. Pilyulkin
      Dr. Pilyulkin 1 September 2012 12: 59
      -9
      Here I am interested: those who Fizruk minus for this post know who V. Vaslyaev is and why the ship is named after him? I also did not know, but I was not too lazy to search on the Internet. If this is the same Vaslyaev, then the information in brief is:
      Vladimir Alexandrovich Vaslyaev (Ukrainian: Volodimir Oleksandrovich Vaslyaev; January 8, 1924, the village of Lozova Pavlovka, Lugansk District of the Donetsk Province [1] - October 4, 1980, Kiev) - party leader of the Ukrainian SSR. A candidate member of the Central Committee of the CPSU (1976-1980), a member of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine (1971-1980), a delegate to the XXII, XXIV and XXV congresses of the CPSU, XXIII, XXIV and XXV congresses of the Communist Party of Ukraine; deputy of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of the ninth convocation, deputy of the Supreme Council of the Ukrainian SSR of the seventh and eighth convocations.
      Continued on Wikipedia.
      Yes, the honored laborer, yes, he fought, but is he worthy of such honor - so that the ship bears his name. I doubt it. Admiral Kuznetsov is certainly worthy, Nakhimov, Peter the Great, Ushakov, Lazarev, Yaroslav the Wise - definitely! They are the glorious sons of the Russian land! It is a good tradition to name ships in honor of Russian cities. Or her heroes, of whom there are a great many (even in our time). There will not be enough ships of sea and air. But in the name of the party worker ... Maybe I don’t understand something?
      I don’t want to offend anyone, but why do we have and had a huge number of ships in the Navy whose names mean nothing: Watchdog, Reasonable, Smart, Friendly, etc. In the USSR there were no heroes or glorious cities in Russia?
      You can minus.
      1. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 1 September 2012 13: 47
        +6
        I gladly fulfilled your request!
        The man worked in Nikolaev, why not name a cargo ship and a street in the city in his honor? Do you know how many streets in the USSR and ships?
      2. Zerstorer
        Zerstorer 2 September 2012 10: 57
        0
        Each fleet has its own established traditions. In accordance with these traditions, ships are given names.

        Here read:
        http://ria.ru/spravka/20100331/216340762.html
        http://flot.com/history/interesting/naming_traditions.htm?sphrase_id=871035
    3. biglow
      biglow 1 September 2012 15: 54
      +3
      Gym teacher,
      I’d move immediately to the homeland of heroes and a home for the strong. In the states you will be among your own, now it’s not difficult and not very expensive. And it’s dangerous for us like you to go out into the street soon, the evil FSB has learned to shoot ip schnicks like you and maybe they’ll start spreading addresses on the network. And our people are not tolerant and will never be tolerant to non-traditional citizens
  4. ward
    ward 1 September 2012 09: 27
    +1
    But I was minuscified for the idea of ​​an aircraft carrier based on a supertanker ... plus article ...
    1. Karish
      Karish 1 September 2012 09: 48
      +4
      Quote: ward
      But I was minuscified for the idea of ​​an aircraft carrier based on a supertanker ... plus article

      You were just minus people who saw what a tanker looks like .... laughing
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 1 September 2012 13: 33
        +6
        I will not put pros and cons to the article, for the topic, thanks to the author, for the "ersatz aircraft carrier", I do not agree. The Yankees acted wisely, they killed two birds with one stone by buying these ships. First of all, really, good vessels, like container ships-rokers. Secondly, we insured ourselves against their conversion into helicopter carriers under the Khalzan project, or something similar, but better. The Americans were also insured when the front company made a tempting order, for which Ukraine released the slipway with the unfinished aircraft carrier Ulyanovsk. Our nuclear aircraft carrier was then cut into metal, and this company immediately disappeared. I will say again that the Yankees will jump out of their pants and wet themselves with boiling water in order to prevent the strengthening of our fleet, all means are good, both lobbying their interests through corrupt officials and the media, and classic sabotage of military construction. Returning to the topic of "ersatz", Oleg Kaptsov does not understand, or does not want to understand, that all alterations are carried out precisely when there is no time for construction, when a situation arises where "something" is better than "nothing." (helicopters) will rust ... Yes, who prevents to make a flight deck-roof. "Mistrals", in fact, are the same converted civilian ships, and before the Second World War, practically all strike aircraft carriers were "ersatz" - converted from battle cruisers and battleships ("Kaga", "Akagi", "Saratoga", "Lensington", "Bearn", "Furies", etc.), later, already in the war, began to remake light cruisers ("Independes") into light aircraft carriers and civilian ships, - into escort and escort aircraft carriers. Now, too, there is no time ... Did not know what to do with "Admiral Ushakov" ("Kirov"), convert it into a light nuclear aircraft carrier (helicopter carrier), everything is cheaper and better than clones a la "Mistral", and, with help, not one "Kuzya" will be waiting for the second coming, until we finally have a supercarrier give birth.
        1. Brother Sarych
          Brother Sarych 1 September 2012 13: 50
          +3
          It also seems to me that making an ersatz-helicopter carrier based on such a vessel is much easier and more necessary than buying dubious French troughs ...
          1. Santa Fe
            2 September 2012 00: 25
            0
            Quote: Brother Sarich
            to make an ersatz-helicopter carrier based on such a vessel much easier and more necessary than purchasing dubious French troughs

            Need more - I agree
            But it will be much more complicated and more expensive.
          2. Zerstorer
            Zerstorer 2 September 2012 11: 03
            0
            ersatz helicopter carrier ??? Or maybe still a normal helicopter carrier and not ersatz substitute with ersatz helicopters? It will ultimately be cheaper and combat effectiveness will be higher. I myself am against the Mistral. I am for normal specialized ships.
        2. Santa Fe
          2 September 2012 01: 49
          +1
          Quote: Per se.
          Firstly, really good ships like container ships

          They would be even better if gas turbines were exchanged for diesel
          Quote: Per se.
          Returning to the topic of "ersatz", Oleg Kaptsov does not understand, or does not want to understand, that all alterations are carried out precisely when there is no time for construction, when a situation arises where "something" is better than "nothing".

          Two key questions: How long will it take to rework? And what will be the result?
          And that would not arise such a situation - you need to pay attention to the fleet
          Quote: Per se.
          and before World War II, practically all strike aircraft carriers were "ersatz" - converted from battle cruisers and battleships ("Kaga", "Akagi", "Saratoga", "Lensington", "Bearn", "Furies", etc. etc.), later, already in the war, began to alter light cruisers ("Independes")

          1. They were remade from warships, inherited a high speed, armor + partially defensive weapons
          2. This did not make them cheap and simple.
          Quote: Per se.
          civilian vessels - to escort and escort carriers

          They were not redone.
          Escort AB originally laid on a slipway as warships.
          From civilian dry cargo ships there were only power plants and contours of the lower part of the hull.
          Quote: Per se.
          Didn't know what to do with "Admiral Ushakov" ("Kirov"), convert it into a light nuclear aircraft carrier (helicopter carrier), everything is cheaper

          laughing
          1. Zerstorer
            Zerstorer 2 September 2012 11: 13
            0
            I agree with you.
            I’ll only correct you a little.
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            Escort ABs were initially laid on a slipway like warships.
            From civilian dry cargo ships there were only power plants and contours of the lower part of the hull.

            They were built by civilian shipyards. Many ships were redone on the slipway, but laid as civilian ships.
            1. Per se.
              Per se. 2 September 2012 12: 52
              0
              I in no way claim to be the ultimate truth, I think, like most who express their opinion. Nevertheless, I will try to explain this opinion. Undoubtedly, the ships originally designed for specific tasks are better than converted from other ships. Let's just be realistic, unfortunately, there is no mighty Soviet Union with its capabilities, and ships have been built for years, especially large ones. We do not have a shipyard in Nikolaev, where all Soviet aircraft-carrying cruisers were built, and we are weakly fighting for Ukraine to have an ally with such a slipway. We already have boats handed over to the fleet - an event, almost like the launch of cosmonauts in the USSR, what to say, about the construction of a nuclear aircraft carrier. Consider that the war has already begun, there is no need to dream, climbing into the ideal and the absolute, we need ships. It is unlikely that aircraft carriers will be sold to us, but you can buy (or order) civilian ships that are suitable for alteration, this saves time, does not take stocks. The Yankees bought the "Captain Smirnov" type rollers from us, and finally, the Chinese demonstrated how, having (buying) one hull, it is possible to finish building an aircraft carrier from our "Varyag". I suspect that we and the Mistrals were forced in order (the States did not interfere), so that instead of normal ships, full-fledged aircraft carriers, we reproduce these "hospital-staff" troughs, overloaded with domestic improvements. You can, of course, be ironic about the alteration of "Kirov", but the experience with the "Pot" would be useful here, already in a good way. Finally, if there is an opportunity, it is necessary to load the shipyards, build a fleet, and one should not interfere with the other, if you think with your head, and worry about Russia.
          2. Civil
            Civil 2 September 2012 15: 35
            0
            ersatz is not ersatz ... why be fashionable when there are none at all, it would be useful to our fleet, brainless Ukrainian businesses sold everything, I don’t think that the Russians are any better, the same greedy, unscrupulous feces
      2. ward
        ward 1 September 2012 14: 25
        +1
        And what does he look like ... if you cut everything that sticks out above the deck ... it will look like an aircraft carrier ...
        1. desava
          desava 2 September 2012 20: 37
          0
          In Soviet times, in my opinion, there was a competent idea - to have ships (potential ships) capable of performing the functions of warships.
          The first echelon should contain powerful, specialized combat ships (including the Mistrals). And during the period of the struggle of the main forces, it is precisely such seemingly civilian ships that should enter service.
  5. Ascetic
    Ascetic 1 September 2012 09: 40
    +17
    It is best to place Club-K there in standard containers and the peaceful ship will turn into a warship. Just like in old Soviet verses about a peaceful tractor
    We inform you of a flagrant fact:
    On the banks of the Amur River, in the midst of native fields,
    Our simple Soviet peace tractor was exposed
    The shelling of six Chinese batteries.

    Hearing the wild cry of the Chinese landing,
    Soviet tractor driver, by the title of starley,
    Answered the fire with one powerful salvo
    And destroyed six Chinese batteries.

    And then, draining the gas and starting the reactor,
    He plowed all of them and quickly brought in the dung.
    Our Soviet peace tractor rose into the sky
    And he flew home to his beloved state farm.

    The next day, in an interview with special editors of their editorial offices
    The Soviet foreman, by the rank of captain,
    He said that in the case of the second such provocation
    Instead of a tractor, we will release a harvester on the field!

    1. Santa Fe
      1 September 2012 10: 01
      +6
      Quote: Ascetic
      place Club-K there in standard containers


      the main thing. so that in "standard containers". laughing
      The idea of ​​multi-colored containers so captured the minds of schoolchildren that it became a real epidemic for fragile minds

      Did any of the students think: why do we need such a ship?




      1. For firing ground targets? But cruise missiles do not solve anything in a local war - tens of thousands of combat missions of aviation are needed there. Firing Club-K missiles from "standard containers" costs $ 1,5 million for each ammunition. For comparison: a combat mission of a tactical bomber costs no more than $ 10 thousand per hour of flight

      2. For shelling surface targets? A number of intractable problems immediately arise: Who will issue target designation at a distance of 300 km? How to ensure the safety of the "combat container ship" itself - it has no armor, no air defense systems, or other self-defense systems. How do you manage this arsenal with 50 people on board?

      Before you put me minus, try to answer at least one question.
      1. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 1 September 2012 13: 57
        +5
        I’ll try to answer - after the vigorous swarm of containers has flown away, the issues of protecting this trough will no longer be particularly relevant, the enemy will not be up to that ...
        And managing is as easy as shelling pears, click on the "start" button ...
        You don’t stick to the stupid idea of ​​"fighting with the least damage to the enemy"? Personally, I believe that you need to fight in order to cause maximum damage to the enemy, up to complete destruction, otherwise, play chess and other quiet games ...
        1. Per se.
          Per se. 1 September 2012 16: 40
          +1
          I will also try to add for SWEET SIXTEEN on my own. The idea of ​​"containers" and, in general, modular armament of the "Pantsir" type is good when you need to quickly increase the size of the navy at the expense of civilian ships. Auxiliary cruisers have been used at all times, now the idea can be re-used. Specifically for Russia, if an element of presence is needed, a civil vessel with sufficient navigation autonomy and the ability to install powerful electronics, modular and container weapons, preferably with the basing of 2-4 helicopters (such as KA-27 or KA-52), is suitable, - we will get an auxiliary cruiser under the St. Andrew's flag, with all the status of a warship. Further, even in the Gulf of Aden, even in patrolling the economic zone or to the shores of Syria for an element of presence. It is possible, and ships "traps" or "ghosts" if you run into disguise with containers.
          1. altman
            altman 1 September 2012 20: 09
            +3
            In this whole story there is one trifle .. frames .. Who will command and launch missiles and helicopters .. Where to get frames, which, as you know, decide everything ..
          2. Santa Fe
            2 September 2012 02: 09
            0
            Quote: Per se.
            Auxiliary cruisers have been used at all times, now the idea can be re-claimed

            What you offer is not an auxiliary cruiser.
            That hell knows that
            Quote: Per se.
            a civilian vessel with sufficient autonomy and the ability to install powerful electronics, modular and container weapons, preferably with 2-4-based helicopters (like KA-27 or KA-52), we get an auxiliary cruiser under the St. Andrew flag

            You will receive a warship with disabilities at the price of a missile cruiser
            Quote: Per se.
            It is possible, and ships "traps" or "ghosts" if you run into disguise with containers.

            Let me tell you a little story about containers with CD. As far as I know, the first such system was called Mark-143 ABL (Armored Box Launcher). The ABN armored container housed the 4 Tomahawk.

            ABLs were mounted in the 80s on 7 Spruance-class destroyers (2 launchers, 8 Tomahawks), 4 Virginia-class nuclear-powered cruisers on the helipad, and Iowa-class battleships (8 launchers, 32 Tomahawks). Basically, it could be installed anywhere, anywhere.
            1. Per se.
              Per se. 2 September 2012 13: 38
              +1
              Any auxiliary cruiser by and large, hell knows what. The Germans made raiders disguised as civilian ships, and one such "hell knows what" sank the Australian cruiser Sydney with his artillery. What price of a missile cruiser are you talking about, SWEET SIXTEEN, if the weapon is of a modular type, I hope, we were not talking about an arsenal ship? If the term "auxiliary cruiser" confuses, let it be - an armed vessel, with naval sailors or a group of naval sailors (or marines), to fight the same pirates armed with small arms on motor boats. In this case, a "civilian ship" is more autonomous, more economical and more comfortable than a military one for patrolling in the Gulf of Aden, and a lower speed can be compensated by a helicopter or a launch boat to intercept pirates.
              1. Santa Fe
                2 September 2012 15: 29
                +1
                Quote: Per se.
                The Germans made raiders disguised as civilian ships, and one such "hell knows what" sank the Australian cruiser Sydney with his artillery

                Auxiliary cruisers were created to disrupt enemy communications. Well-known practice in the early twentieth century.
                With the development of aviation, such a ship lost its main advantage - elusiveness: after an attack, it will not be possible to so easily disappear into the expanses of the ocean. Aircraft will find an auxiliary cruiser in an hour. I'm not talking about a full-fledged AUG - its air wing inspects 100.000 square in an hour. km of space.
                Quote: Per se.
                to fight the same pirates armed with small arms on motor boats. In this case, the "civil ship"

                In the Navy of developed countries there are enough warships)
                At least some sailors will have some practice
                1. Per se.
                  Per se. 2 September 2012 16: 29
                  0
                  With the advent of aviation, satellites and nuclear submarines, the cruiser itself lost its direct purpose, if we talk about defense or attack on communications, especially the latter. I appreciate your humor, unfortunately, "there are enough warships", especially in the ocean zone, clearly not with us. Therefore, "armed ships" (forget about "cruisers") is not superfluous for us now, with them at least some kind of practice for sailors will become much more.
        2. mr.Man
          mr.Man 1 September 2012 18: 01
          +1
          SI containers can be delivered to any civilian ship, even if they walk around the seas and oceans and grandmas earn ...
  6. killganoff
    killganoff 1 September 2012 10: 18
    0
    The great power built magnificent ships, the cruisers were named after the Admirals, and now we are not building a heavier corvette (the displacement corresponds to the Soviet IPC). The coastal fleet is apparently needed by this pseudo-power.
  7. Tirpitz
    Tirpitz 1 September 2012 10: 39
    +2
    Great article. And all the crap is the norm for s. It was possible to rent, or to engage in emergency transportation itself.
  8. laurbalaur
    laurbalaur 1 September 2012 10: 48
    +2
    On the basis of these ships in the late 70s, it was planned to build a series of anti-submarine helicopter carriers project 10200 (code "Halzan")
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 1 September 2012 15: 54
      0
      That's right, but initially the Halzans were planned as amphibious helicopter carriers to reinforce large amphibious assault ships. The desire to make them also anti-submarine - ruined a good idea, since the noise of the "civil" mechanisms did not allow the helicopter carrier to track the boats directly (although this could be done by the escort ships). "Refinement" of the project led to an increase in displacement and, in fact, came to the helicopter carrier in the hull of aircraft-carrying cruisers of Project 1143, and for this, another slipway was required, on which the aircraft-carrying cruisers were built. By the way, when the "Kiev", "Minsk" and "Novorossiysk" were scrapped, they no longer remembered that these most universal helicopter carriers could be made of them.
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 1 September 2012 16: 00
        +2
        So, this was supposed to be a universal helicopter carrier for an improved design.
        1. desava
          desava 2 September 2012 20: 46
          +2
          Sergey, with regret I will have to tell you that in the next five years such projects will not be presented. I read about this conceptual project - interesting and relevant, but not nowadays.
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 3 September 2012 16: 59
            +1
            Nothing, Denis, there will be a holiday on our street.
  9. mar.tira
    mar.tira 1 September 2012 11: 08
    0
    "among the thousands of ships abandoned to the mercy of the Soviet fleet, they were able to choose the most valuable for themselves." - And this is you in vain, my friend! There were bad ones, but basically each ship was given a piece of the soul, shipbuilders, and crews. And there were unique ones. You know that ships with rotary propellers - augers in the middle of the hull were built. Two ships were built as experimental. They went both on water and on shoals indiscriminately. Since their propellers worked on the principle of a meat grinder shaft. The speed was lower than that of turbine and screw. But in terms of thrust they had no equal. As always, they screwed up the project, and abandoned. But they would not be replaceable in special cases.
  10. Foamas
    Foamas 1 September 2012 11: 22
    +6
    The author has some doubts about the successful unloading of the "Captain Smirnov" type ro-ro-boat in the port of Tartus.

    "Captain Smirnov" apparently - yes, and "Lance Corporal Roy Whit" will unload without problems.
    The Americans are not oaks, it was not in vain that they re-equipped, and indeed they have vast experience in conducting similar landing / transport operations. On the L / Cpl. Roy M. Wheat (T-AK-3016) three jib cranes with a lifting capacity of up to 60 tons were installed. Depending on the place of future unloading, additional amphibious equipment (pontoons / self-propelled rafts / pusher boats) is accepted on board, with modernization, 100 places are equipped to accommodate additional. personnel or marines.
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  11. killganoff
    killganoff 1 September 2012 11: 37
    +7
    Amer here, of course, well done, but we all pissed off, and we continue to lose with the same success what was acquired by overwork. We are not building a new one, or rather we are not building a similar one; we are developing the near-future fleet. Admiral names are assigned not to cruisers as they were before, but to small ships, bf! One window dressing is left!
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 1 September 2012 12: 11
      +3
      They were lucky. They did not have Gorbachev in power ...
      1. Petrix
        Petrix 1 September 2012 23: 56
        +1
        Lucky, no luck. This is war. Gorbachev is a Western project, but the amers could not directly, so they went through the top. It turned out to be easier to bribe the country's leadership. This is an informational-economic-genocidal (vodka, etc.) war. And we all think that we ourselves are fools. Since childhood, the media has been laying such thoughts on us (the media is a certain analogy of WMD).
  12. Gym teacher
    Gym teacher 1 September 2012 12: 23
    +1
    Quote: lewerlin53rus
    They were lucky. They did not have Gorbachev in power ...

    But Russia has V. Putin
    Break through together! Win together!
  13. TROG
    TROG 1 September 2012 13: 41
    +2
    It's a shame to read such an article (((
    But on the other hand, it is not known what would become of us.
  14. sasha127
    sasha127 1 September 2012 15: 04
    +1
    I read the article and felt proud for our homeland equipment. We were able and able.
    1. Tirpitz
      Tirpitz 1 September 2012 16: 26
      +1
      They could and could in the USSR. And so for 20 years nothing worthwhile has been created.
      1. Petrix
        Petrix 2 September 2012 00: 00
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        A lot of things have been created. For example, we mass-produce snow and swamp vehicles. laughing
        1. Tirpitz
          Tirpitz 2 September 2012 15: 52
          +1
          Quote: Petrix
          We, for example, produce snow and swamp vehicles

          Well what can I say? Though crying. good
  15. Andriuha077
    Andriuha077 3 September 2012 15: 21
    +2
    Every penny saved by traitors for NATO’s aggressive bloc is a potential bullet in a Russian citizen.
  16. maverick3232
    maverick3232 30 December 2015 09: 45
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    ''As for the possible question of converting the Kapitan Smirnov-type ro-ro-boats into an ersatz aircraft carrier (helicopter carrier), this is most likely a fantasy. The basing of aviation on the deck will require a radical restructuring of the ship. Where to store jet fuel? Where to accommodate several hundred personnel (standard ro-ro crew - 55 people)? A few months on the upper deck will finish off the helicopters - aircraft carriers definitely need a hangar. Mount any removable structures on the flight deck? - it is easier to replace damaged aircraft. To equip an under-deck hangar? Most likely, the helicopter will not fit in height - you will have to cut the entire ship. Plus the cost of one or two lifts. And will anyone send an absolutely unprotected ship into the zone of possible hostilities? It will require the installation of several self-defense systems, replacement of the radar and electronics. As a result, we have a very expensive hybrid with reduced performance. ''
    It was not necessary to convert anything special. All the ships of the USSR MMF were built for a dual purpose. There were reserved electrical circuits and places for installing an air defense system. A series of sculptors like Sculptor Konenkov (RO-30) housed a tank regiment with all the equipment, Magnitogorsk series ( RO-60, Smirnov, too) - a tank division. Even on timber carriers VI 3000 tons must have been a heavy weight of 50 tons.
    As for the crew, the norm is 24-27 people for such a ship. Most of those 50 are ballasts from the personnel and management department. The ship-thief and the line are not bad. That's where they went on cruises.
    Regarding speed, he worked with the forehead, who took Smirnov. So, at full speed, the speed reached 30 knots. In some English-language marine magazine there was an article, they say the Russians again surprised everyone - they created ships with such a speed and with such a fuel consumption (about 100 tons per day)
    Smirnov and Mezentsev first worked in the BMP. According to rumors, they were transferred to the ChMP due to the fact that upon arrival they "sucked" the entire oil depot, and the turbine was running on light fuel.
    So we didn’t have to convert anything. In 2003, he drove American equipment to Kuwait on the m / v NDS Progress (ex. Sculptor Zalkalns). Everything was thought out, it wasn’t necessary to destroy the fleet.
  17. kig
    kig 2 February 2018 01: 10
    0
    The famous site marinetraffic.com reports: in Mau 2017, the ship was in the port of Norfolk, Virginia. Status: active.
  18. Alexmaritime
    Alexmaritime 8 July 2019 00: 22
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    As for the possible question of converting the type of “Captain Smirnov” rollers into an ersatz aircraft carrier (helicopter carrier), this is most likely a fantasy. For the basing of aircraft on the deck will require a radical restructuring of the vessel. Where to store aviation fuel? Where to place a few hundred personnel (standard crew of rokers - 55 people)? A few months of being on the upper deck will kill helicopters - aircraft carriers will definitely need a hangar. To mount any removable structures on the flight deck? - Easier to replace the damaged aircraft. To equip the underdeck hangar? Most likely, the helicopter will not go in height - you have to cut the whole ship. Plus the cost of one or two lifts. And will anyone send an absolutely unprotected ship to a zone of possible hostilities? Installation of several self-defense systems, replacement of radar and electronics will be required. As a result, we have a very expensive hybrid with reduced features.
    Apparently, the author is not up to date, but a hydraulic hatch and a lift from the deck below were provided in the upper deck. those. the below-deck hangar existed (if necessary).
    But there were difficulties with this hatch - it was not tight enough and water constantly flowed to the inner deck. In the end, this hatch was brewed during one of the last dock repairs.
  19. Doroh1970 Doroh
    Doroh1970 Doroh 3 December 2019 22: 08
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    In fact, "Kuznetsov" was originally called "LI Brezhnev" He himself took part in the construction. It was renamed shortly before the completion of the completion works.