"Nagant" - a revolver, a rifle and ... a car!

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Classics of the genre: "Comrade Sukhov" with a revolver in his hand ... Shot from "White Sun of the Desert"

"With Lenin in the head
and with a revolver in hand. "
("Good" V. Mayakovsky)

Weapon and firms. This material was promised for a long time, but somehow hands did not reach it. And not because there was little information. Just the most acute question arose not of searching for it, but of selection. Because well, this weapon and this company turned out to be very popular, and in all respects. However, it is better to read late than never read. In any case, the beginning will be traditional: but it was so that two brothers - Emile (1830-1902) and Leon (1833-1900) Nagant, in 1859 founded a company in the Belgian city of Liege: Fabrique d'Armes Emile et Léon Nagant, Quai de l'Ourthe ("Emil and Leon Naganov's Armory Factory, Urta Embankment").

A meeting with the Remington brothers in 1867 allowed them to obtain a license to manufacture 5000 Remington rifles intended for the Vatican's papal guard. Improving the locking system, they created the rifles known as the Remington-Nagant, the bolt of which opened and closed a little differently than in the classic Remington.



"Nagant" - a revolver, a rifle and ... a car!
Stamp with keys on the barrel of the "Remington-Nagant" rifle


Rifle "Remington-Nagant". Length 114 cm, barrel length 71 cm. Caliber .44


The control lever of the "Reminton-Nagant" rifle, combined with the trigger guard


Diagram of the bolt device of the "Remington-Nagant" rifle from patent No. 63999 dated January 30, 1884. It clearly shows the action of the trigger, as well as the folding shutter controlled by the trigger guard-lever

The brothers then contributed to the development of the Dutch Mle 1873 revolver, which was produced by Hembrug's Arsenal and the Beaumont firm in Maastricht. Then, in 1876, a rifle of 11 mm caliber of the Eustachios Mylonas system was produced for Greece, and in 1877 a double-barreled pistol of 9,4 mm was created (a cartridge produced by the Belgian company Bachmann, known as 9,4 Nagant or 9,4 Belgian) with a Remington bolt ... The Belgian gendarmerie used them until 1901, and it turned out to be the first Belgian regulatory weapon chambered for metal.


The bolt of the Milonas rifle, controlled by a lever under the receiver


Double-barreled pistol for the Belgian gendarmerie with a Remington bolt


The same pistol with a stock

Finally, it came to revolvers. In 1878, Nagans created a revolver model, available in both single and double action versions, which spawned a stream of revolvers adopted by various European countries:

in Belgium - revolver models of 1878, 1883 and 1878/86. caliber 9,4 mm;
in Norway - model 1883, double-acting;
in Sweden - model 1887, 7,5 mm;
the 1893 model of 7,5 mm caliber went into service with the armies of Norway, Serbia and Sweden;
caliber .44 (11 mm) - in Brazil and Argentina.


Nagant 1878 Royal Arsenal, Leeds

And, finally, the model of 1895 ("without gas loss", as the creators themselves called it) caliber 7,62 was adopted in Russia.


"Nagant" 1895 "Russian model"

In 1887, the Nagans worked on a 7,65 and 8 mm rifle, which turned out to be too complex.


Here is this rifle, which they offered to the military of several countries. As you can see, it was made on the basis of the Mannlicher rifle and with his magazine, but differed in the original bolt with a rear-mounted reloading handle. In this, the Nagan brothers were ahead of all other weapon designers!


The bolt and reloading handle of the rifle of Emil and Leon Naganov. Interestingly, she was initially charged from below, for which the lid of her store was folded forward! Weight 3,895 kg (4,325 with bayonet). Cartridge: 8 mm welted. Length without bayonet: 1,220 m. Barrel: length 68,5 cm - 6 grooves from right to left

This was followed by the famous rivalry with Captain Mosin in Russia, the result of which was the "nameless" rifle of 1891, adopted by the Russian imperial army instead of the Berdan rifle.

In 1896, the brothers divided their enterprise. Emile Nagant, suffering from blindness, left the company, and Leon immediately created "Fabrique d'Armes Leon Nagant" and, together with his two sons Charles (1863) and Maurice (1866), went on a car tour in 1899. After Leon's death in 1900, the company was renamed Fabrique d'Armes et d'Automobiles Nagant Fres.


"Nagant" 1878 nickel plated


"Nagant" 1878 disassembled and cartridges to it

Well, what was the "revolver" of 1878 and what is its popularity? This is a self-cocking revolver, designed for the Belgian army and produced by the Naganov firm in Liege, and then there, but already at the state enterprise "Arms Manufactory" on the rue Saint-Leonard.

All the main parts of the revolver were made of Bessemer steel. English cast steel was used for all springs, screws, rods, hammer, trigger and safety pivots. German hardened steel was also used. The degree of interchangeability of parts is high. The barrel is octahedral, except for its rear. The drum of the 1878 model has six chambers. Charges through the right side door ("Abadi's Door"), which folds vertically along the trigger guard.


"Abadi's Door". Revolver "Nagant" firm "Husqvarna" М1887 caliber .22


This is how it works ...

Russian revolver model 1895 had the official name "Revolver three-line (7,62 mm) model 1895" and was produced by the Tula Arms Plant since 1900. It differed from all others by the presence of a drum for seven rounds, which was pushed onto the barrel, which excluded the breakthrough of gases in the area of ​​contact between the barrel and the drum. There were single and double action revolvers (officer model).


Revolver M1884 gendarmerie of Luxembourg. Right view


Revolver M1884 gendarmerie of Luxembourg. Left view


Disassembled revolver M1884 of the Luxembourg gendarmerie

Nagant delivered 20 revolvers to Russia before production began in Tula in 000, many of which survived until the end of World War II.

History with the adoption of this revolver into service, it is even more confusing than the story of the rifle. There was a competition, all the conditions of which seemed to be specially tailored to the performance characteristics of the Naganov revolver. And it would be strange if he did not win in these conditions!


"Nagant" of the Luxembourg gendarmerie, equipped with ... a bayonet!

By 1895, the Russian military began to express dissatisfaction with the Smith and Wesson revolvers. Yes, they hunted bison and bears with them, they withstood 10 shots without problems and reloaded quickly, but ... they were too "heavy to wear." The belt with the holster slid to its side, but for some reason they did not think of the shoulder belts. As a result, it was decided that the revolver is rarely used, and therefore it makes no sense to carry 000 kg of alloy steel on its side. That we need a lighter and more convenient revolver, capable of solving the case with seven shots, against six from the enemy!


Shortened "Nagant", released in the USSR in 1925


And this is his marking ...


And disassembled ...

It was then that the "revolver" just came in handy. Besides, he was psychologically not so ... "frightening", since he did not give a powerful flash of flame behind the drum, right behind the trigger guard. The blunt-nosed bullet had a good stopping effect, and the fact that the revolver was charged for a long time and with difficulty, now for some reason no one bothered. Although, in essence, this turned the new revolver into a disposable weapon. But ... it turned out that everything came together on this revolver: weight, price, ease of maintenance, accuracy and destructive power, and on top of that, the accumulated experience of using such a weapon, which, in fact, turned from a combat weapon into a status one.


"Nagant" М1895, made in the USSR in 1938


"Nagant" М1895, made in the USSR in 1941


"Nagant" М1895, made in the USSR in 1945

The production of the "Russian" revolver, which dates back to 1898, was started in Belgium at the Leon Nagant Armory. Civil production of the new revolver began even before the registration of the Russian order.

The Russian contract weapon produced in Liege was double acting, but the manual supplied with each revolver explained which parts needed to be replaced in order to convert a double action to a single action! In the same 1898, the revolver was patented.

The revolver was successfully sold in the civilian market. But in 1910 it was improved. Now the revolver received a drum that swings out to the right, also for seven rounds. The Russian imperial army did not acquire this improved model.


"Nagant" М1910


"Nagant" М1910. It seems to be "Abadi's door". But not the door. Drum holder


"Nagant" М1910 with the unfolded drum


Such a "revolver" was also produced - a hammerless, or rather, had a hidden trigger. Self-cocking only


Serbian and Soviet "nagans" 1938


Swedish M1887 revolver of 7,5 mm caliber and a holster for it ...

The most amazing thing is that then the company began to produce cars. And not our own, but under the license of the French company Roche-Schneider. Nagant cars were produced from 1900 to 1928. Then in 1931 the company was bought by the Imperia firm. This was the end of the history of the company that created the revolver, but the story of the revolvers themselves was by no means over ...


Car manufactured by the company "Nagan" in 1909, Type "D" 14/16-l \ s. Lowman Museum, Netherlands

PS The author and the site administration would like to express their gratitude to Alain Daubresse for the opportunity to use his photographs.

To be continued ...
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  1. +10
    14 June 2021 05: 41
    Thanks, very interesting.
    I never heard that Nagan was also collecting cars (albeit under a license).
    1. +14
      14 June 2021 05: 58
      I join, it was also a revelation. I got used to the fact that Nagan first of all
      You are an honest, simple revolver
      You got used to the soldier's mat.
      Can I compare you, my lion,
      With a capricious machine gun!
      You are in a worn holster,
      I am in an old soldier's greatcoat ...
    2. +2
      16 June 2021 11: 36
      Yes, the historical sketches performed by Vyacheslav Olegovich are good! This is the case when a competent selection of information allows you to look at things in a new way, or even to cover whole layers of history with a glance. Plus so many new details and little-known facts ...

      We are waiting for the sequels, I am personally interested in reading.
  2. +45
    14 June 2021 05: 48
    Nagant how much of this word has come together for the Russian heart !!!
    The grandfather who "worked" in the NKVD troops from 1938 to 1953, and with the PPD, and not with the PPSh. He who saw both "merikantsev" (Tomigan), and "nglichan" (apparently the Walls), and "talyashek" (according to his description, the Breda machine gun), and all the other fascists (why the Czechs are fascists, but the Germans are not, I don’t know) called all the revolvers " revolvers "!
    In 97, my uncle, the "new Russian" brought the German K-98 carbine. More to brag than to hunt. Grandfather tore him off like a schoolboy, for a dirty weapon. The nephew, not upset, was a host to drink vodka to other relatives. Grandfather took a new waffle towel, laid it on the table and began to clean the carabiner. Nozzle grumbled "about the club-handed nephew" for about an hour. Then he beckoned me and said learn. Blindfolded and blindly disassembled and assembled a carbine, which is by no means an AK and PPSh in terms of the complexity of incomplete assembly and disassembly.
    To this day, I regret that I didn’t get a lot out of it. Speaking of flash shooting, I first heard from him. “Bam-bam at one target, then“ bam-bam ”at another. These one-handed stands of yours are good for sports, war she loves the land. So you have to learn to fight by crawling, not by running!
    I beg your pardon guys - it rolled over.
    All the good days!
    1. +17
      14 June 2021 06: 24
      You wrote very interesting, Vladislav. Thank you! Little things like, but all life consists of such little things. I also very much regret that I was young and stupid when I met my stepfather and learned a lot from him, but ... in general, everything is in fragments. Here is the saber of a German general from whom he accepted surrender. What, where ... Here are the award-winning paintings signed by Rokossovsky for the search for the Dresden Gallery. And where did he look for her and how? And so all around ... Edvard Beneš was eating heavily peppery guevich in the saloon carriage. And who this Benesh, I did not even ask ... And so in everything. You, Vladislav, remember, write ... This is useful and necessary!
      1. -6
        14 June 2021 06: 49
        Didn't he show you Walter Paulus?
        1. +11
          14 June 2021 07: 32
          No, I didn't. He did not fight on the Stalingrad front. Was in St. Petersburg during the blockade. He told me how they fried and ate a cat together with a friend. Minus is not mine!
          1. +8
            14 June 2021 15: 41
            Hi, Vyacheslav. hi
            Just in case, I posted a photo of the brothers, otherwise everyone knows Comrade Sukhov by sight. wink
        2. 0
          18 June 2021 20: 46
          Usually in these stories, Goering's guns are demonstrated. Together with Stradivarius drums.
      2. +3
        14 June 2021 07: 41
        You, Vladislav, remember, write ...
        So I say the same thing! And Vlad is rejecting everything: "Reports, documentation ..."
        Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    2. +8
      14 June 2021 06: 45
      And my grandfather, an officer in reserve, had a Nagant. Judging by the stories of the deceased already uncle.
      And when the uncle as a kid grew up and began to show an unhealthy interest in weapons, the grandfather, who had gone through the Finnish and the whole Second World War, threw the pistol into an abandoned well without regret ... Moreover, the laws became tougher.
      Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich. Pleased in the morning.
      1. +11
        14 June 2021 06: 53
        Yes, Nazarius, there is a lot of things in the wells and a lot of things where they are buried. My grandfather buried the Maxim machine gun with ammunition, and carefully packed it somewhere on the estate. The house was demolished, a store was built on the site ... the machine gun was not found! The stepfather had a whole collection including parabellum and stan. I made a storehouse of bricks, put everything there and ... cemented it. And where is it?
        1. +4
          14 June 2021 07: 10
          "The machine gun was not found" ...
          I had a case in my working practice:
          In stagnant times, on the territory of one plant (I will not specifically name the name), for the sake of fictitious fulfillment of the plan, TWO wagons of non-ferrous alloy billets were secretly buried with an excavator with an excavator. Night and deep. So that if the prosecutor's office with mine detectors could not find something quickly.
          Thirty years have passed. Zero. Poverty. And let's remember where is this "treasure"?
          The old men were called to poke their hand where to dig. But the plant was rebuilt and expanded several times.
          One witness pokes in one place, another nearby, the third even further, at the angle of the new workshop ...
          In general, they never found it.))
        2. +4
          14 June 2021 09: 12
          Hermitage bike.
          In the middle of the 70s of the last century, the equipment of the traction substations of the Hermitage was changed. We did everything, signed the acceptance certificates and left. But the old equipment was not taken out. Among him is a DC transformer, such a hefty fool! Piotrovsky (senior, of course), seeing this on the territory under his jurisdiction, grabbed his heart: "God forbid Romanov will inadvertently drop in!" He summoned the head of the AHCh: "Eliminate! Immediately! This very second!" Well, that smart guy was, he called several workers with shovels, and he buried a transformer in the inner garden of the Hermitage. So this crap lies in the pre-Petrine cultural layer, to the delight of the archaeologists of the future!
          1. +11
            14 June 2021 10: 16
            Bike)) DC transformers do not exist)
            1. +11
              14 June 2021 15: 35
              "Do not teach physics at school, and then the world around you will be full of secrets and wonders!"
              1. +2
                14 June 2021 15: 49
                I have never hidden that I am a "captive techie". Does it matter what they buried there?
                1. +5
                  14 June 2021 15: 51
                  Come on, never mind. Buried and buried. Nice bike.
                  1. +4
                    14 June 2021 15: 54
                    The funny thing is that they actually buried it. The son of this very chief of the AHC told me this story.
          2. +5
            14 June 2021 22: 03
            On the territory of the N-metallurgical plant "according to old-timers," a mining dump truck a la BelAZ was buried.
            During the construction of housing, "extra" boxes with sockets and switches were buried in kolovany.
            First they buried, and then ... the USSR collapsed.
            Especially many lamps were thrown out from the Armenian SSR !!!
            30 minutes of work and they just burned out.
        3. +11
          14 June 2021 16: 14
          One day two officers from the Office came to our department and brought two sabers, one "Georgievskaya", the other "Annenskaya", in very good condition. They were found by workers during the reconstruction of an old house near the Central Telegraph. Brought as a gift to the museum. Well, our head. department, Ilya Abramzon, thanked them for the gift and suddenly asked: "And there was nothing else with the sabers?" The senior of the officers squinted at Ilya and asked: "Why did you decide that something else should have been?" Ilya replies: "So when the officers hid their weapons from the Bolsheviks, they usually had a firearm along with the cold one." The officer says: "Exactly, there were two pistols, we identified only one as Browning." Then I got in and said: "So drag it here, we will determine the second one for you." The man smiled and said: "We have already handed them over to our museum, let them themselves now have a headache." It's a pity, it would be nice if they handed everything over to us, in full.
          Such is the little story.
      2. +5
        14 June 2021 08: 19
        In my childhood, there was a case when an old building, abandoned long ago, in post-revolutionary times was the rule of a collective farm, then some collective farm brigade was destroyed, and what happened to it during the revolution, even the old people did not remember. In the chimney in the attic, behind a brick, was a loaded revolver with either a burnt or a sooty handle. later they tried to soak it in kerosene, but the cartridges rusted so that they could not pull it out of the drum, they threw it out of harm's way.
        And his wife's grandfather brought an SS dagger after the war - in any case, the family tradition says that it was an SS dagger. At some point, one of the relatives had problems, they were afraid that they might come to the wife's family with a search, the grandfather went out with him in the evening and hid him somewhere. After the death of his grandfather, they searched for some time, but did not find it.
        1. +4
          14 June 2021 15: 56
          When in the early 70s in Orenburg they began to build a new microdistrict on the site of Vorstadt (a Cossack settlement with its own self-government (from 1743 to 1917), was located behind the esplanade of earthen fortifications of the Orenburg fortress), a well-oiled revolver was also found there during the demolition of a dilapidated old house ... How do I know - it was just opposite my school 25, on the street. Turkestan.
      3. +5
        14 June 2021 11: 51
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        And my grandfather, an officer in reserve, had a Nagant.

        And I have it. Lies in the closet of the bedroom in a drawer under the key. Cleaned, oiled, but not charged. The cartridges are in another box in the basement.
        1. +6
          14 June 2021 14: 55
          nagans I.V. Stalin


          1. +4
            14 June 2021 14: 57
            nagant V.I. Chapaeva
            1. +4
              14 June 2021 17: 47
              Hello Dima hi , it is somehow doubtful that this is a revolver of Vasil Ivanovich. Did he give it to the museum ahead of time before his death? Perhaps it was made as a gift to Chapaev, but whether it was handed over or not is a question. It is practically not wiped off at all, and on the handle and "the fly did not sit".
              1. +2
                15 June 2021 01: 19
                What is worse than a Buddha's tooth?
                1. +3
                  15 June 2021 04: 11
                  Without teeth at all, a pipe.

                  Good morning, Sergey! smile
                  1. +1
                    15 June 2021 07: 16
                    Good morning, Constantine!

                    “And he said that you wouldn’t bother” (c).
                    1. +1
                      15 June 2021 07: 21
                      "And I say., The moon, I say
                      And the stars are like bowls.
                      She answered me - then the lamp is light
                      And they curl around the midges. "(C)
                      1. +1
                        15 June 2021 07: 56
                        Bogatikov sang beautifully.

                        "I went out to the Donetsk steppe
                        Young guy "(c).
                      2. +1
                        15 June 2021 08: 14
                        "Field, Russian field ..." (c)
                      3. +1
                        15 June 2021 19: 21
                        "You believe in the road" (c).
                      4. +1
                        15 June 2021 21: 59
                        "A road without beginning and end" (c)
                      5. +1
                        15 June 2021 23: 02
                        “Go my friend,
                        Always or
                        On the road of good "(c).
                      6. +1
                        15 June 2021 23: 06
                        "Hit the road Jack and don't you come back no more" (c)
                      7. +1
                        16 June 2021 02: 15
                        "This is never repeated" (c).
                      8. +1
                        16 June 2021 02: 17
                        Exactly. "You can't go into the same water twice," although if you pour it into a basin ... But it's boring.
                      9. 0
                        16 June 2021 05: 41
                        It is in the well that the water is being renewed. Not in the basin.
                      10. +1
                        16 June 2021 05: 48
                        About that and speech, in a basin, in the same water, you can enter an infinite number of times, but this, as I wrote, is boring. request
                      11. +4
                        16 June 2021 06: 19
                        When water stops flowing, it ceases to be alive.
                        I drank a cup of tea - and Ayda.

                        And with a basin - I washed my hair. And water on the grass.
                        And everything will happen again.

                        By the way, the grandson was born four days ago.
                      12. +2
                        16 June 2021 06: 32
                        Congratulations, Sergey! Heartily. good drinks
                        Peace to the incoming and happiness to him. smile
                        But mine are in no hurry.
                      13. +1
                        16 June 2021 06: 35
                        Thank you, Konstantin!
                      14. +2
                        16 June 2021 07: 36
                        It is a pity that we cannot "wash" the heels, this is such an event! fellow
                      15. +1
                        16 June 2021 20: 26
                        Who knows.
                        Let us remember as a reason to note.
                      16. +1
                        16 June 2021 23: 35
                        Of course, remember, there are not so many good reasons in the world.
                      17. Fat
                        +1
                        18 June 2021 21: 37
                        Wonderful business, Grandpa. A little cynical ...
                        But our grandchildren are obliged to avenge our children for Our crumpled honeymoon
                        laughing Yes wassat
                      18. +2
                        19 June 2021 05: 50
                        We ourselves arrange holidays.
                        And weekdays will come by themselves.

                        Thank you very much, Andrey Borisovich!
                      19. Fat
                        +1
                        19 June 2021 06: 20
                        Thank you for what? Well, a little supported as a grandfather's grandfather.
                        Thank you that thanks to you a new person has appeared. You can only help, but the main concern is no longer with you.
                        Forgive me for you, Sergei, but this is so ...
                        On the rights of "burnt" drinks
                      20. +2
                        19 June 2021 06: 26
                        And a kind word is pleasant to the cat.

                        It is a holiday to visit your grandson.
                        And everyday life in all forms - on the parents.

                        We, grandfathers, understand something in this life.

                        I'll go and work.
      4. +2
        14 June 2021 23: 45
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        And my grandfather, an officer in reserve, had a Nagant. Judging by the stories of the deceased already uncle.
        And when the uncle as a kid grew up and began to show an unhealthy interest in weapons, the grandfather, who had gone through the Finnish and the whole Second World War, threw the pistol into an abandoned well without regret ... Moreover, the laws became tougher.
        Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich. Pleased in the morning.

        Sorry to wedge myself into your topic, but still on the topic. My grandfather was a district police officer after the war, so he confiscated and handed over weapons. But in 1957 he died in a car accident (he was just driving in a truck in the back), and so Father buried 15 rifle-carbines, 3 PPSh, 2 Suomi, and drowned one Maxim! We dug it all out in 1978! Everything is rotten! But! At least three bolts could fire! And all from Mosinka! And before the machine gun, even knowing the place, there was no time to dive! even with a load.
  3. +4
    14 June 2021 06: 29
    A good revolver, reliable as a cobblestone, cheap to manufacture, and easy to use. It is a pity that he was retired, he could well serve in the army and in the police now. In the United States, many cops still use revolvers as service weapons, and the Yankees are quite good at weapons.
    1. +12
      14 June 2021 06: 36
      It was used in the paramilitary guard for a very long time. At least back in the mid-90s, he was in Kazakhstan for sure, a good friend worked there and often saw him with a service revolver.
      1. +2
        14 June 2021 09: 39
        Let's remember the film "Old Men-Robbers" ...
        1. +1
          15 June 2021 19: 58
          Hats off Olegovich hi the article, photos and comments are gorgeous.
          1. +2
            15 June 2021 20: 09
            Quote: Alien From
            article, photo

            I tried. There will be 2 sequel articles.
      2. +2
        14 June 2021 21: 47
        In the 90s, geologists and surveyors in Siberia had nagans
    2. +16
      14 June 2021 07: 30
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      A good revolver, reliable as a cobblestone, cheap to manufacture, and easy to use. It is a pity that he was retired, he could well serve in the army and in the police now.

      I met in the police until the XNUMXs. In the rear documents, the safety strap "lash" still passes as for a "revolver".
      The last time I saw service revolvers was in 2010-2011 at the Bank and at the Post Office. One is exactly 1915 with monograms, the rest with stars. If memory does not fail 1925.
      To be honest, shooting a revolver does not "comme il faut" kicks like a horse, self-cocking is also not a holiday. You pull-pull the trigger, the front sight and rear sight drives the target, but there is no shot. Then, on your last gasp, with pain in your finger, you hold out, bam, as if a hoof flew into your hand, from somewhere from the Zenith point you bring the barrel to the target, level the front sight and rear sight and pull the trigger again, and the index finger already hurts. Six shots in a row and tongue on the shoulder. Although the pre-war revolvers are very accurate toys. With the hammer cocked, the trigger travel is soft, but heavier than that of the PM and TT.
      Well, somewhere like that.
      1. +6
        14 June 2021 07: 56
        I wonder which quality is better: the Tsar's Nagan or the Soviet pre-war. It seems that the wartime naganas were of worse quality: they did not carefully grind the external parts, they did not bluing, and the cheeks were not very good birch.
        1. +10
          14 June 2021 08: 49
          Quote: Kot_Kuzya
          I wonder which quality is better: the Tsar's Nagan or the Soviet pre-war. It seems that the wartime naganas were of worse quality: they did not carefully grind the external parts, they did not bluing, and the cheeks were not very good birch.

          For some reason, it is considered good Nagans of the tsarist time with self-cocking. My experience proves the opposite, most of all I liked the 37-year-old revolver. About the years of the Second World War, everything is correct. Surkus, without polishing and with poor bluing, but considering what their children and women did in wartime, they cause sincere respect.
          1. +3
            14 June 2021 11: 55
            Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
            Everything is correct about the years of the Second World War Surkus, no polishing and poor bluing

            My Izhevsk plant, 1944 The quality of the norms, the native bluing has not yet come down.
            Quote: Kot_Kuzya
            the cheeks were not very good birch.

            Bakelite.
      2. +6
        14 June 2021 08: 21
        it is difficult for those who did not shoot a revolver self-cocking why the accuracy of shooting there is relative
        1. +2
          14 June 2021 23: 48
          It's a matter of habit. I fired both self-cocking and cocked. And I got it fine. It's like with any weapon - if you become familiar with it - everything is fine. And if once a year, then you miss it point-blank.
      3. +6
        14 June 2021 08: 45
        Shot from a revolver 38th year of graduation in the school. Self-cocking, I agree, not that ... For that, with a manual cocking of the trigger, it is not a problem to hit the target at 50 meters. Affected by the length of the barrel and the smaller caliber, the stopping effect of the bullet is compensated by its shape. In this PM, he is not a rival. One accurate shot leads to more losses than a "burst" from the PM. I was presented with an "emasculated" Nagant of 1937 for my anniversary.
      4. 0
        16 June 2021 13: 45
        Interestingly, kicks because it was conceived or stale gunpowder? or because it was originally made under the smoky one?
        1. +1
          16 June 2021 18: 19
          Quote: vl903
          Interestingly, kicks because it was conceived or stale gunpowder? or because it was originally made under the smoky one?

          I do not know!
          The first times I used a revolver in the late 80s. I think by that time cartridges for revolvers were no longer produced. The feeling that he had already kicked.
          From the PM, it was possible to shoot ammunition a quarter of a century ago. I did not notice differences in sensations.
          1. +1
            25 June 2021 19: 22
            I think by that time cartridges for revolvers were no longer produced.
            - produced, because it was in service, and in the warehouses of these revolvers, there will probably be enough for the entire police staff ...
    3. +1
      22 June 2021 20: 32
      As far as I know, VOKHR still uses. In any case, a couple of years ago I personally saw an employee at the entrance of the plant.
  4. +8
    14 June 2021 06: 31
    Extremely! Ok, detailed, interesting.

    "Comrade Sukhov was walking in the desert,
    So that the people rule in it, and not the khan,
    And with him - not melons,
    He had a kettle ... and a revolver.
    The kettle is to drink water,
    We all do not live long without water,
    And the revolver is a good thing
    To take away or save life.
    Sukhov lived without paper letters,
    Having bequeathed to us all tipsy:
    "The kettle and the revolver are the two most important
    The most needed things on earth! "(C)
    1. +4
      14 June 2021 06: 39
      Did you write that yourself?
      1. +6
        14 June 2021 06: 42
        Oh. Are you talking about poetry? Of course not. This is Mikhail Guskov. His poems are not particularly, but this one seemed cool and in the subject hi
        1. +5
          14 June 2021 21: 49
          In Soviet times, the word "revolver" became a synonym for the very concept of a revolver. Remember the yard song of the 70s "Three Cowboys":
          "Three faithful friends, three knives, three revolvers ..."
          Although, in fact, the workers of the American steppe cattle breeding still preferred larger-caliber "Colts" and "Smith-Wessons" from a domestic manufacturer to European weapons. smile
          1. +1
            15 June 2021 04: 15
            "Three cowboys"

            You can't forget such a song))
    2. +1
      14 June 2021 06: 51
      Poems of some competent farmer?
    3. +1
      14 June 2021 10: 25
      Akurat is now starting on NTV.
    4. +6
      14 June 2021 15: 11
      He was an excellent horseman and a scout,
      And well-aimed "Voroshilov shooter" (c)
  5. +2
    14 June 2021 06: 53
    I watched a film about a revolver on the Oruzhiye TV channel, it turns out that it is a very powerful contraption, it punched several boards from 25 meters, I just don’t remember the thickness, but it impressed me.
    1. +4
      14 June 2021 07: 13
      Usually the inch is used, it is easier to assess the penetration.
      1. +2
        14 June 2021 07: 25
        Yes, there seemed to be 25mm pine boards.
    2. +1
      14 June 2021 23: 31
      Quote: Alexey 1970
      I watched a film about a revolver on the Oruzhiye TV channel, it turns out that it is a very powerful contraption, it punched several boards from 25 meters, I just don’t remember the thickness, but it impressed me.

      Combat strength
      From 35 steps (25 m) on a package of dry pine boards, 2,54 cm thick, located at a distance of 8 cm from one another, punching is observed: 3 boards - 100% bullets, 4 boards - 70%, 5 boards - 25%. One board pushes up to 200 steps (140 m)
  6. +6
    14 June 2021 07: 23
    A meeting with the Remington brothers in 1867 allowed them to obtain a license to manufacture 5000 Remington rifles intended for the Vatican's papal guard.

    The history of The Remington Rolling Block Pontificio rifle in itself deserves an article.
    It was not intended for the papal guard of the Vatican, but for the army of the Papal Region, a theocratic state in Central Italy that existed until 1870. In 1867, the armed forces of the Papal States numbered about 15. It was them that Pius IX decided to rearm from muzzle-loading muskets to a modern rifle.
    The order was carried out by two firms - British Westely Richards and Belgian Emile & Leon Nagant. All rifles had a unique mark - the keys of St. Peter under the papal tiara.

    In 1870, Italy was united, the Papal States and its armed forces ceased to exist, and the rifles went to the Italian army. Now it is a collectible rarity.
    1. +5
      14 June 2021 07: 29
      I had an article about her, and with original photographs. Here at VO. But for a long time!
    2. +7
      14 June 2021 07: 30
      And this is how the Zuavi Pontifici (papal Zouaves) looked like. However, in the picture, the muzzle-loading .71 cal. Model 1842 French Rifle
      1. +4
        14 June 2021 07: 55
        Improving the locking system, they created the rifles known as the Remington-Nagant, the bolt of which opened and closed a little differently than in the classic Remington.


        Shotgun 16 gauge Rolling Block Nagant / Remington.
  7. +7
    14 June 2021 07: 31
    Well, if we talk about the history of "revolvers", then we can recall both the "border" revolver and the "engineering" revolver!


    But competing rifles ... At the top is the Nagant rifle ... At the bottom is the Mosin rifle ...
  8. Fat
    +4
    14 June 2021 08: 05
    hi Thanks to Vyacheslav Olegovich for the article. Waited a long time ... but waited Yes
    The arrow mark on Soviet revolvers indicates its Izhevsk origin. I have a signal revolver on the frame of 1919, Izhevsk, alteration of the VPMZ.
    1. +4
      14 June 2021 16: 26
      Quote: Thick
      Waited a long time ... but waited

      There will be 2 more sequels ...
      1. +2
        14 June 2021 22: 41
        Dad can - a revolver made of cardboard
        1. Fat
          +2
          15 June 2021 00: 10
          Paper will endure everything (c) smile
          1. +1
            15 June 2021 07: 01
            And they also say that our youth is bad. He only knows what to look at a cell phone. I, for example, simply would not have made such a revolver. I didn't have enough patience.
            1. Fat
              +1
              15 June 2021 08: 15
              Vyacheslav Olegovich. hi IMHO the author of the video is not a very experienced "paper" modeler.
              1. Patterns in raster form. If there was a vector version of graphics, tedious work with a breadboard knife could be avoided and
              USM details would fit better (when printing a raster in A4, the printer inevitably leaves margins, so the image is smaller than the original)
              2. If the author emphasized that a caliper should be at hand, then why insists on office paper (0.8 g / m) and not use a denser grade?
              But in general, you are right - the work is worthy. Yes
              1. +1
                15 June 2021 08: 25
                Here you are, Andrei Borisovich ... smart! But I don't even know such words. Otherwise, he worked with paper ... And now there is a CNC machine, you load a photo into a computer, it translates it into graphics, you set the dimensions and the machine cuts everything out of polystyrene of the required thickness. You've probably seen my machines here on VO? You can't tell the difference from the real ones ... But if it's not done out of friendship, then it's expensive. A small set of parts ... 3,5 thousand.
                1. Fat
                  +1
                  15 June 2021 08: 39
                  Come on, Vyacheslav Olegovich. A plotter for paper will be cheaper once every 10 ... laughing tongue
  9. +8
    14 June 2021 08: 09
    and the fact that the revolver was loading for a long time and difficult, now for some reason no one bothered.

    You need to save cartridges! You can't get enough of them with fast-rechargeable revolvers! As far as I remember, a passion for poorly loaded revolvers suddenly woke up among the generals of many countries, not only in Russia. Like - the officer has a broadsword, why does he need a quick-reloading revolver? Although the same Churchill recalled - due to a hand injury, he could not use a sword and took a Mauser S96 for defense. Which saved his life. If he had a broadsword, the Arabs under Omdurman would have finished him off.
  10. +12
    14 June 2021 08: 44
    And, finally, the model of 1895 ("without gas loss", as the creators themselves called it) caliber 7,62 was adopted in Russia.
    Informative article. It's a pity Vyacheslav missed one important detail, with "no gas loss". Pressing the drum against the barrel allowed not only to increase power and accuracy, but also to use a revolver with a silencer (for other revolvers this is an almost useless undertaking).
    In the USSR, one of the first serial Soviet silencers was named "BraMit" (in honor of the inventors, the Mitin brothers). The first model, designed for installation on a revolver of the Nagant system, was developed in 1929.
    1. +6
      14 June 2021 09: 43
      Nice addition! Thank you! I knew, but ... I forgot when I wrote ... That's how it happens.
    2. +6
      14 June 2021 15: 34
      Sergey, a small addition to your post. hi
  11. +4
    14 June 2021 10: 05
    To be honest, I did not know that the Nagan enterprise produced cars.

    Leon Nagant, in 1896, at his factory in Liege, built a car with a 2-cylinder engine designed by Raoul de Meuse. But it did not go into mass production. Nagant made several more samples. In 1899 he started the licensed production of machines with a boxer engine company "Gobron-Brillie" (Gobron-Brillie). In 1900 the enterprise was renamed "Nagan Brothers' Weapons and Cars Factory".

    Then, due to the obsolescence of the Gobron models, Nagant began licensed production of the La Locomotrice model by the French company Rochet-Schneider. In 1904-1905, 200 of them were made. At the end of the agreement, Nagan decided to build his own car. The order for its development was received by the German engineer Ernst Valentin. In 1906, the first models "35 / 40CV" appeared with a 4-cylinder engine with a working volume of 6872 cm3 and a chain drive of the driving wheels, and then the lighter "20 / 30CV" with a motor of 4589 cm3. In 1908, the production of the "14 / 16CV" model with a 3-speed gearbox and a cardan gear in the transmission was mastered. From the same year, Nagant cars were assembled under license in France and Germany, where they were sold under the name Hexe (Nehe). In 1911, all "Nagans" began to be equipped with a cardan transmission, and a year later the economical model "10 / 12CV" appeared. In 1913, the program included 6 machines: "Type 8000 10 / 12CV" (1816 cm3), "Type 7000-I 14 / 16CV" (3954 cm3), "Type 7000-I 18 / 24CV" (3308 cm3), " Type 9000 20 / 28CV "(3817 cm3)," Type 6000-I 24 / 30CV "(4589 cm3) and" Type 6000-I 30 / 40CV "(5297 cm3). In 1914, another novelty appeared - the model "20 / 25CV" with a monoblock engine of 4563 cm3. This engine had a racing variant in 4433 cm3 with two overhead camshafts.
    16V DOHC 1914

    During the First World War, the company did not produce cars. The production of cars was resumed in 1920, only the "2000" model with a 3-liter engine with side valves was assembled. In 1921, "Nagant-2000" was modernized, and its engine is equipped with an overhead valve timing mechanism and removable cylinder heads. It remained in production until 1922:

    In 1921 new models "10CV" and "15CV" were presented with 2,0 and 2,2 liter engines. Later "11CV" replaced "10CV". In 1923, only "15CV" remained in production, bearing the designation "Nagan-10OOS":

    This model raced at the Grand Prix Spa in 1925 in the class of cars with an engine displacement up to 3 liters. In 1925 "Nagant" presented at the show in Brussels the model "20CV" with a 6-cylinder engine of 2931 cm3, a year later a similar machine of a smaller size with an engine capacity of 1983 cm3 appeared. The extreme development of "Nagant" and became a 1,5-liter engine with a supercharger and a liter capacity of up to 42 hp / l, presented in 1927 at the Paris Motor Show. It was developed by engineers Hanocq and Dewandre. This engine was never put into production. Soon, in 1928, the company was taken over by Imperia and then resold to FN:
    "FN Herstal (French Fabrique Nationale d'Herstal, name variations: Fabrique Nationale, FN, "National Factory in Erstal") is a Belgian arms company, part of the Herstal Group"- the arms corporation of that time ...
    Apparently, the production of a / m was not included in their plans.
  12. +4
    14 June 2021 11: 44
    The reloading system was made as it is at the request of the customer. The S&W .44 Russian, which was in service with the army (but not the navy) and the police, had a breaking frame and automatic extraction. This is convenient when there are a lot of cartridges, and in Russia there has always been a shortage. When not a full drum was shot and there was a lull, it was a normal desire to reload, but S&W threw out all 6 cases / cartridges. Gape to catch - look. And if under fire? And from a horse? Then the cavalry was the main maneuverable force and no one had a thought to cancel it. Therefore, they demanded a piece-by-piece extraction and reloading. Although Leon Nagan offered a flip-up drum and automatic simultaneous extraction as an option, he was asked not to show off if he wanted to get an order.
    And with obturation the same story. The customer supplied rigid dimensions and weights, and at the same time prescribed the caliber and grooves the same as those of the 1891 model rifle. And the customer also demanded that the bullet stop the horse at a gallop from 50 meters. Leon Nagan gracefully got out of the situation, having received, due to obturation, an increase in muzzle energy by a quarter, if not a third. No horse test data, but 5 inch pine planks punched; apparently this was considered sufficient for the horse.
    As for the rigging of the competition - what kind of rigging, if all the competitors' proposals somehow did not fit into the requirements? For example, the Mosin rifle co-author proposed a monstrous 6-barrel pepperbox (I don't know how to translate it into Russian).
    1. +2
      14 June 2021 15: 42
      pepperbox

      Pepper shaker. A hint of holes from which ground pepper is pouring.
  13. 0
    14 June 2021 12: 47
    There were also Polish revolvers - structurally close to the Russian ones, but nuances are possible, since production was established by reverse engineering. They were released from 1931 to 1936.
    1. +6
      14 June 2021 13: 18
      production was established by reverse engineering.

      There was no reverse engineering. Both the modified revolver (the barrel was shortened to 114 mm) and the production line were bought in Belgium in 1929.
      1. +2
        14 June 2021 13: 33
        Anything is possible, I have met such a version. Although the Poles write that they agreed with the Belgians later, after they could not establish a serial production themselves.
  14. +3
    14 June 2021 13: 05
    The Russian revolver has one nuance - like any weapon of that era, it is sensitive to the fit of details. Until the 30s, this was still done at the plant, during the war - you yourself understand. And in the repair arsenals this was not done in principle. Therefore, for example, the original Tsarist revolver (or early Soviet) and the last arsenal repair are two big differences. I had a chance to touch several siganalny and models - two of them were formally royal - only one of them did not get the crooked handles of the repairmen, the difference in descent is huge.
  15. +1
    14 June 2021 20: 43
    All the main parts of the revolver were made of Bessemer steel. English cast steel was used for all springs, screws, rods, hammer, trigger and safety pivots. German hardened steel was also used.

    This phrase puzzled me. Does this mean that the springs of the Nagant were cast! ?? Or something I didn’t understand ..
    1. +3
      14 June 2021 21: 23
      Springs are not cast, but cast steel can be used to make them.
    2. +5
      14 June 2021 21: 27
      This is the cost of translation by a layman.
      At that time, cast steel was called steel that passed through a liquid state during the production process and was poured into molds (for producing ingots) or casting molds (for producing castings).
      That is, Bessemer steel is also cast, but has increased fragility (due to the relatively high content of phosphorus and nitrogen absorbed from the air during blowing). Therefore, for critical units, cast steel was also used, but of a higher quality, obtained by crucible melting.
      In England, the technology for the production of crucible steel was developed by the watchmaker Hutsman. It was considered the best for watch springs.
      1. +3
        14 June 2021 21: 41
        Quote: Undecim
        That is, the Bessemer steel is also cast,

        As far as I remember, "Bessemer steel" was called English. Crucible steel at the end of the 19th century is too much .. Especially in mass production. At that time, open-hearth furnaces were already in full use. By the way, a European invention. The phrase about "German hardened steel" here also introduces some kind of confusion. You might think the English was not tempered ..

        In general, you are probably right, there is some kind of confusion with the translation.
        1. +4
          14 June 2021 21: 51
          Crucible steel at the end of the 19th century is too much ..

          Crucible steel was produced in large volumes until the twenties of the last century. It was used for the production of cutting tools.
        2. +3
          14 June 2021 21: 59
          The phrase about "German hardened steel" here also introduces some kind of confusion.

          In English, the term hardened steel is often used to refer to heat treated medium or high carbon steel.
          1. +1
            14 June 2021 22: 02
            Quote: Undecim
            In English, the term hardened steel is often used to refer to heat treated medium or high carbon steel.

            Any steel is heat treated, even Steel 3 is tempered. It is not clear why the word "Germanic" was screwed in.
            1. +2
              14 June 2021 22: 12
              It is not clear why the word "Germanic" was screwed in.

              In order to figure it out, you need to look at the original. Maybe it meant Krupp steel.
              even Steel 3 is tempered

              Steel 3 is not a medium or high carbon steel. What is the point of tempering it? It will give practically nothing. And the vacation is spent after hardening.
              1. +1
                14 June 2021 22: 18
                Quote: Undecim
                Steel 3 is not a medium or high carbon steel. What is the point of tempering it? It will give practically nothing. And the vacation is spent after hardening.

                Vacation is also carried out after mechanical processing at times, for example, after broaching to remove surface hardening.
                1. 0
                  14 June 2021 22: 28
                  You are confusing vacation and annealing.
                  1. +2
                    14 June 2021 22: 43
                    Then it would be more correct to say normalization, for low-carbon steels it is usually used, the difference in holding time and cooling intensity. But all three methods - annealing, normalizing and tempering are types of heat treatment.

                    In general, "German hardened steel" in the source for a catchphrase someone screwed in.
                    1. +2
                      14 June 2021 22: 46
                      I think the correct translation would be "in carbon steel". If you can find the original, I will clarify.
                      1. +1
                        15 June 2021 10: 28
                        Probably yes. But I have tried to translate as accurately as possible. Searching again is very long and tedious. Check out Alan Debresse's website ...
  16. 0
    15 June 2021 05: 00
    The most amazing thing is that then the company began to produce cars. And not our own, but under the license of the French company Roche-Schneider. Nagant cars were produced from 1900 to 1928. Then in 1931 the company was bought by the Imperia firm. This was the end of the history of the company that created the revolver, but the story of the revolvers themselves was by no means over ...
    And most importantly, it's cool that the car is braided .... The author has a question - did he ever, from something, a firearm, a weapon of war, bullet? lol
    1. +3
      15 June 2021 10: 26
      The diploma of an instructor in bullet shooting from the university, and then they taught it well. But what is the connection? For you, it is important and important only how it is written, and not who, somewhere, once "bullet".
  17. -3
    18 June 2021 01: 44
    Quote: kalibr
    The diploma of an instructor in bullet shooting from the university, and then they taught it well. But what is the connection? For you, it is important and important only how it is written, and not who, somewhere, once "bullet".

    Diploma? An instructor? Oh well... . And to throw off a photo is weak - after all, there is something to be proud of? Or not? bully
  18. -1
    20 June 2021 16: 06
    Quote: Radikal
    Quote: kalibr
    The diploma of an instructor in bullet shooting from the university, and then they taught it well. But what is the connection? For you, it is important and important only how it is written, and not who, somewhere, once "bullet".

    Diploma? An instructor? Oh well... . And to throw off a photo is weak - after all, there is something to be proud of? Or not? bully

    Judging by the minus, the diploma was apparently lost. In the annals .... wassat
  19. 0
    27 June 2021 03: 05
    Quote: kalibr
    The diploma of an instructor in bullet shooting from the university, and then they taught it well. But what is the connection? For you, it is important and important only how it is written, and not who, somewhere, once "bullet".

    Lapis, I can't wait, or rather - we can't wait for a photo of a marksman's diploma, a sniper. Why are we ashamed? A-ha, probably I wanted to fuck him (diploma), but something didn't work out .... Hello, Trubetskoy - Motherland is waiting for an answer. lol
  20. 0
    21 October 2021 15: 44
    An interesting article, but here's how they managed to push a so-so revolver into the Russian Army, really, in those days, kickbacks were rolling ..

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