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An unnecessary inheritance. Section of the Black Sea Fleet

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By 1997, when the partition agreement entered into force fleet, on the Black Sea there were two missile cruisers and one - artillery, 3 BODs, 4 diesel submarines, 9 frigates (SKR), 4 small missile ships, of which one is the newest Bora, 15 small anti-submarine ships, 11 mine-sweeping ships, 17 landing ships, 13 missile boats and many more different things. This, of course, is just a shadow of what was only six years ago, but, in principle, it is more than enough to destroy all other combined Black Sea navies or to stop the breakthrough of NATO fleets through the Bosphorus. What can I say, in 2021 the Russian Black Sea Fleet has not yet reached such power, and after the decommissioning of the cruiser "Moscow" will not reach.


Preserve then the general, within the framework of the CIS, the fleet and the general use of the Crimea - and история would have gone differently. But they did not save it, and they rushed to divide the fleet. The carve-up went on for several years and was crowned with an agreement of May 28, 1997. They shared not only ships, but also objects, and coastal equipment, and even houses of culture with sanatoriums.

And the share of Ukraine turned out to be more than significant.

objects


In the first place in the agreement - the command posts of the fleet, Ukraine received 8 of them, one - the Crimean naval base, seven - ship formations. Why so much? The question is philosophical, Russia gave it up.

Further communication objects - 17 pieces, including the communication center of the Crimean naval base. In principle, the transferred means could provide communication and control of the middle European fleet.

To this must be added 17 radio engineering service facilities, 23 logistics service warehouses, 13 medical service facilities, including three hospitals and the 560th group of naval special medical aid, 12 weapons depots, 3 shipyards, etc., etc., including nine coastal bases, two polygon and eight airfields.

In a word, the rear of the Naval Forces was not deprived - it would be enough for some Italy, no less.

Maybe offended by something else?

No, you didn't. In addition to this list, there was also a separate list for the city of Sevastopol, where the Naval Forces of Ukraine received many objects: from the command post of the fleet to a children's health camp.

All this huge number of objects was designed for the Black Sea Fleet of the USSR, and Ukraine was interested mainly as a future source of scrap metal and land that could be profitably sold.

Why did the Russian Federation not fight for its facilities?

It is absolutely incomprehensible, and cannot be explained by logic.

Ships


Naval Forces received:

1. Project 641 diesel submarine built in 1970.

2. Two frigates of project 1135 and one - 1135M, built in 1976, 1977 and 1979, respectively. The one-type "Ladny" of 1980 is still in service.

3. BDK project 1171 "Azarov" built in 1971, BDK project 775 "Olshansky" built in 1985.

4. Four IPCs of the 1124 family, two in the seventies, two in the eighties.

5. Four minesweepers (two - sea, two - base).

6. One medium and three small landing craft.

With large ones it is clear.

And Ukraine got the little things: 7 missile boats, 4 artillery boats, one mine-sweeping boat, a command ship and two reconnaissance ships. In addition, a lot of everything that could be sold / completed at will also hung on the stocks in Kiev and Nikolaev. So, Kiev got the aircraft carrier "Varyag" and missile cruiser "Lobov" project 1164 in an unfinished state. AUG, if with three frigates in formation and one in construction. And another 8 transports, three barges and so on - a total of 28 supply vessels, 62 vessels and boats of the auxiliary fleet, 22 rescue vessels and boats, 21 survey vessels and a boat.

A total of 137 ships, vessels and boats. Plus - half of the proceeds from the sale of 263 units before the conclusion of the contract.

Ukraine, by the way, did not share the money for the unfinished construction.

Technique


87 APC, 144 tank T-64, 115 152 mm guns, 21 thousand small arms weapons and planes. There is a special topic with them - Kiev received 20 TU-22m3, 12 Tu-22R / U / PP, 11 Be-12, 11 - TU-16, 23 - Su-17, 59 helicopters.

I list it and I myself am amazed - this is only the fleet and only the Ukrainian share, capable of taking any European country through one gate if desired.

And, it seems, all this should have been enough for 30 years for sure: ships have a service life of up to 50 years, aircraft have 30-40 years, ground equipment is similar, but ...

Pogrom



Photo by wikipedia.org

All three frigates, after being handed over to Ukraine, were put on lockdown. And in 2000, the first two went under the knife, in 2004 - the third. Even the oldest of them could serve at least until 2011, with normal operation - until 2016.

Instead, the frigate "Getman Sagaidachny" was completed in 1993: the problem is that it was built as a frontier, that is, with limited armament. Then came the turn of the IPC or, in a newfangled way, corvettes: three of six were written off. They also dealt with the missile boats - only one remained in the ranks.

The only submarine was welded to the pier, creating an integral submarine force of the Naval Forces of Ukraine for it, and was repaired only under the "bandit" Yanukovych as a training one.

They took pity on the landing ships: out of three survived, two, but halved the floating rear.

Of course, they destroyed the sea Aviation and most of the transferred ground objects.

Actually, 2014 just put an end to the history of the unborn fleet, simply because Kiev initially did not really need it, except as a source of finance.

The question is - why did you share it?

In the sense: why does Kiev need a fleet if it is deliberately flawed, and why does Moscow need to give up old ships if it needs them?

And here only one thing comes to mind - on the wave of the cutting of the fleet, Kiev simply demanded its share, which in the end became the source of material and financial well-being of Ukrainian admirals for 17 long years. And such issues as the security of the borders, in those glorious years, no one particularly worried.

The agreement from which the figures were taken was canceled. It happened in 2014, along with the civil war in Ukraine and the transition of Crimea to the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation.

But Russia is rebuilding the fleet from scratch, along the way rebuilding the coastal infrastructure, because even what the Ukrainian Navy has gone through is outdated by 30 years. And you also have to recreate coastal aviation and painfully figure out how much money went into the preparation of the transfer of the KChF to Novorossiysk, and most importantly - why.

It will take a long time to pay. Pay for decisions made in the wake of the sale of the country, when one of the best fleets in Europe became an unnecessary inheritance, and the new democracies suddenly had no enemies.
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  1. Grandfather
    Grandfather 6 June 2021 03: 27
    -3
    author ... I still do not understand, you are for "white" or for "red" ...? something is shaking you around the deck ... stop already and decide whether or not for a pretty penny, do you scribble articles? even a person who knows superficially about the problems of the fleets of both countries can see without glasses how much fakes, misunderstandings and lies in your words. in short ... aftarnepis! wassat
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        1. Peak
          Peak 6 June 2021 09: 01
          -8
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Come on...
          And then what about:

          Or are these flags and more heels "not like that"?


          Apparently the truth is being written about you as a firm and convinced lobbyist of Ukraine, in such an ugly state as it is now ...

          So stubbornly firm that you do not see that the cross dividing the banner on the Nazi and Ukrainian flags are identical, and on others - different.

          VORON538 (artem) June 4, 2021 08:44
          +4

          Yes but you so often justify what is happening in Ukraine that there are doubts that you have nothing to do with this country.


          And besides, the flag of the Indian Navy is a legacy of colonial history, as well as the flags of many other countries, the influence of Britain on which was felt.

          They, formerly colonially dependent, drew motives for the flag from what was.
          And Ukraine, from what did it draw that its Navy flag is so similar to that of Hitler's Kriegsmarine?
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          2. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 6 June 2021 09: 34
            +12
            I'll tell you more. Such topics have already been discussed at VO. Long. Three or four years ago.
            They are no longer in vogue. Everything is proven and retold before you and the crow and other couch patriots. Moreover, many normal people are tired of the topic of Ukraine. But it is obligatory. Pay attention to how many hours the article is on the site and only 30 comments. And only those who want to "hyip" quickly "peck" on the topic. Not intelligence, not originality, not humor, but topic... Yes, only the topic is already worn out ...
            1. Peak
              Peak 6 June 2021 09: 37
              +4
              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              only those who want to "hyip" quickly "peck" on the topic. Not with the mind, not with originality, not with humor, but with the theme.

              Okay, I’m not out of my mind, but you, too, for some reason are here ...
              1. The leader of the Redskins
                The leader of the Redskins 6 June 2021 09: 44
                +2
                And I have a rare day off today. When my wife and children are at the dacha, and I have not yet decided what to watch from the video. So I went to all the topics on the VO. Although the sea is not mine. Well, I came across a stupid comparison of flags. This, indeed, has already happened before, and the sailors "wise men" even then showed what are in the world. So I didn't discover anything new either.
                So, do you recognize Tongo as evil Nazis or what?
                1. Peak
                  Peak 6 June 2021 09: 46
                  +6
                  Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                  So, do you recognize Tongo as evil Nazis or what?

                  If Nazi marches are organized in Tongo like in Ukraine, then I probably admit it.
                  Let it be yours. I will not spoil your day off yes
                  1. Vladimir Mashkov
                    Vladimir Mashkov 6 June 2021 13: 11
                    +8
                    I'm on the topic, not about flags.
                    "Why did the Russian Federation not fight for its facilities?

                    It is absolutely incomprehensible, and cannot be explained by logic. "


                    Why can't it be explained? I suppose anyone thinking and living at that time man all it is absolutely clear why: because then Russia was ruled by Yeltsin, Gaidar, Chubais and other comprador-destroyer collaborators.
                2. Reviews
                  Reviews 6 June 2021 19: 04
                  +1
                  Tonga ... yeah ...
                  The current Constitution of the country was bestowed by King George Tupou I

                  No, I understand that "any accords are accidental" ...
                  According to the IMF, GDP per capita:
                  123 India
                  124 Cape Verde
                  125 Tonga
                  126 Belize
                  127 Libya

                  Well, "good comparison", yes ... :)
        2. Machito
          Machito 6 June 2021 18: 05
          -1
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Come on...
          And then what about:


          Or are these flags and more heels "not like that"?

          Who cares? Fascists, they are also fascists in Africa.
      2. Fotoceva62
        Fotoceva62 6 June 2021 10: 31
        +5
        A friend's neighbor was a man who created the layout of the flag of the Ukrainian Navy. The basis was taken flvg Kaisermarine ... (Sevastopol)
        Minus signers _ burns out?
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 6 June 2021 10: 49
          +1
          And my brother-in-law had a neighbor, so he considered people like you trusting and not quite distant.
          Will we believe them or will it also "burn"?
          Above, I have laid out samples of flags of the Navy of other states, which are also very similar to the one presented by you. Also a neighbor from Sevastopol painted?
          1. Fotoceva62
            Fotoceva62 6 June 2021 17: 38
            +3
            Chief of the Redskins (Nazarius)
            Today, 10: 49
            NEW
            The respected sketch looked like this, as an eyewitness you know better ... How it was and how our crew ukrovoyaks agitated to raise their rag and how they were furious when the St. Andrew's flag was raised I saw myself. I will not prove anything, there is no need, all this is "the legend of deep antiquity."
        2. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 6 June 2021 10: 57
          0
          After your comment, I searched for the "history of the flag of the Ukrainian Navy" and found a whole article on Wikipedia! And you know what? There is not a word about the Kaiser's roots, although it would be easy to kick. But there is also a history of Cossack flotillas and there was also a blue cross there.
      3. Avior
        Avior 6 June 2021 13: 06
        +2
        Excuse me, but in what similarity did you see?
        Two stripes crosswise?
        You will find such "similarities" in the world of a carriage: ((((
    2. knn54
      knn54 6 June 2021 07: 57
      +3
      EBN- "Take as much sovereignty as you can swallow."
      Here under the "sovereignty" and took.
      And then, according to the "tradition" -Yak not z'yim, then take it ...
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 8 June 2021 09: 52
        -1
        This he said to the internal autonomies of the RF.
    3. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 6 June 2021 11: 59
      +1
      The fact that the main Banderoflot, as well as Banderovaffen, would go for sale or for scrap was perfectly clear back in 1996. Why did they give, alas, you will already ask, Borya died.
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 6 June 2021 16: 37
        +4
        Quote: TermNachTER
        The fact that the main Banderoflot, as well as Banderovaffen, would go for sale or for scrap was perfectly clear back in 1996. Why did they give, alas, you will already ask, Borya died.

        Yes, it is understandable why they gave it away, for the lease of the bases of the KChF, it was assumed that there would never be a war between Ukraine and the Russian Federation, and Bulgaria and Romania would not enter NATu in the next 1 years ...
        And the example of the evacuation of the Poti naval base showed that the Armed Forces of Ukraine would not give the RF too much ...
        Russia evacuates Poti
        Back in August 1992, the 1st rank captain of the reserve Gabunia, appointed by the Georgian side as the senior naval commander of the Poti garrison, openly declared to the assistant head of the Training Center for work with personnel, the captain of the 1st rank Apishev, that Georgia was at war with Russia. Attempts to seize the fleet's property by the Georgian authorities continued, so in early October 1992 it was announced that the evacuation of the Poti base would begin at the end of the month, which was to end on December 31.

        https://history.wikireading.ru/47837
        I advise you to read the article ...
        Regarding the section of the KChF. The situation in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea was tense, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine were, of course, much stronger than the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the South ...
        From Wiki:
        At the same time, the undefined status of the fleet continued to be a source of friction between the two states. The relations between the servicemen of the Ukrainian and Russian fleets, as the sources note, remained very tense, sometimes reaching a physical confrontation between them. The situation that developed in 1993-1994 on the peninsula was on the verge of an armed conflict between Russia and Ukraine.
        The tension was gradually reduced by the signing of bilateral agreements between Russia and Ukraine, on the basis of which the Black Sea Fleet of the USSR was divided with the creation of the Black Sea Fleet of Russia and the Ukrainian Navy with separate basing on the territory of Ukraine.
        On April 15, 1994, in Moscow, the presidents of Russia and Ukraine Boris Yeltsin and Leonid Kravchuk signed an Agreement on a phased settlement of the Black Sea Fleet problem, according to which the Ukrainian Navy and the Russian Black Sea Fleet are based separately.

        In general, it is necessary to write about the division of the entire CA located in the former republics, but this is the volume of the dissertation ...
        The CCFL section was also painful, incl. with casualties among the military ...
        In Azerbaijan, as in the entire Transcaucasia, the situation was not easy, armed provocations were being carried out against the military. So on the morning of April 28 in Baku, a group of 10 people attacked the checkpoint of the sea border guards, one of the sailors was killed and two were wounded, a pistol disappeared.
        At the talks held in Baku, the Azerbaijani military delegation demanded for itself 100 percent of the ships and property. But the head of the delegation from the Ministry of Defense of the republic, Gaziev, made a mistake, allowing himself, in his impatience, to speak impolitely about the President of Russia. This was what Zinin took advantage of by demonstratively leading our delegation out of the negotiations. Oddly enough, the demarche worked. The then President of Azerbaijan was forced to intervene in the negotiation process. And all Zinin's conditions were accepted the very next day: Russia - 75 percent of the ships and property of the former Union flotilla, Azerbaijan - 25 percent.

        http://alerozin.narod.ru/CaspianNavy92.htm

        P.S. The section of the KKFl and the evacuation of the naval base from the Poti KChF took place long before the division of the KCF between Ukraine and the Russian Federation, so the Military-Political Leadership of the Russian Federation had something to think about ...
        The RF Armed Forces managed to accumulate muscle and create a combat-ready Army on the SA fragments by 2014, the Armed Forces of Ukraine began to try to do this relatively recently ...
        If it were not for the thieving of the Ukrainian government and the disregard for its Armed Forces, the Russian Federation was able to bloodlessly regain Crimea itself ...
    4. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 6 June 2021 19: 50
      +3
      Quote: Dead Day
      grumble? even a person who knows superficially about the problems of the fleets of both countries can see without glasses how much fakes, misunderstandings and lies in your words.

      You are kindly requested to debunk at least one fake, refute at least one lie admitted in the article. Just for example.
      1. Avior
        Avior 7 June 2021 03: 40
        -5
        For example, as a result of the partition, Ukraine received 20 percent of the fleet, Russia - 80 percent. Most of the ships received by Ukraine were of old construction, obviously with an expired service life.
        Is this subtlety noted in the article?
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 7 June 2021 08: 49
          +1
          Quote: Avior
          For example, as a result of the partition, Ukraine received 20 percent of the fleet, Russia - 80 percent. Most of the ships received by Ukraine were of old construction, obviously with an expired service life.
          Is this subtlety noted in the article?

          Congratulations to you.
          1 + 80 = 20, and how much% did Georgia get? In your opinion 100%, but it is not.
          2. You have used an indefinite form of quantity - "majority". How much is this? 51% or 99%?
          Following you, I can state that Ukraine has received the MOST land-based facilities of the fleet with the possibility of their very long-term operation.
          1. Avior
            Avior 7 June 2021 09: 25
            -4
            Congratulations to you.

            In 1995, the issue of the division of the fleet was resolved: an agreement was concluded on the separate basing of the Russian Black Sea Fleet of Russia and the Naval Forces of Ukraine. Sevastopol was assigned the status of the main base of the Russian fleet. Russia received 81,7%, Ukraine - 18,3% of ships and vessels.

            Congratulations to you nahamimshi.
            More details can be found here, including by year of issue.
            https://online.lexpro.ru/document/302744
            I can say that Ukraine has received the MOST land-based objects of the fleet with the possibility of their very long-term operation.

            you can, no one argues with that. Obviously, given the fact that the fleet was reduced by several times, most of the former facilities were planned to be transferred for civilian use or leased to the Russian Black Sea Fleet.
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 7 June 2021 14: 47
          0
          Quote: Avior
          Most of the ships received by Ukraine were of old construction, obviously with an expired service life.

          And this is a common problem of the KChF since Soviet times. Newly built ships went to ocean fleets. And the fleets of the inland seas received equipment on a leftover basis. The exception is 1164, but this is more of a status ship, the "parquet cruiser". smile
          So all the participants got the junk - the Russian Black Sea Fleet received, for example, the last pr. 61 ("Sharp-eyed"), which has been in service since 1969.
          By the way, the Black Sea Fleet inherited after 2014, the MPK of the Naval Forces of Ukraine, turned out to be newer than the MPK of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation.
          1. Avior
            Avior 7 June 2021 15: 25
            -1
            I don't mind, you can find both old and new ships from both sides on the list.
            But due to the fact that the list of Ukrainians is much smaller, there are more old ones in percentage terms.
            As far as I understand, many immediately assumed it was scrapped, on both sides.
            and as for the IPC, Ukraine received 3 of them
            MPK-52, 1971
            MPK-43, 1974
            MPK-116, 1985
            new, younger than 1980, relatively new, only 1
            Russia
            1988 "MPK-217"
            1986 "MPK-199"
            1989 "MPK-207"
            1983 "MPK-118"
            1982 "MPK-134"
            1990 "MPK-220"
            1987 "MPK-215"
            1982 "MPK-93"
            1980 "MPK-49"
            1980 "MPK-104"
            plus 2 older ones.
            So compare.


            .
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 7 June 2021 15: 45
              +1
              Quote: Avior
              and as for the IPC, Ukraine received 3 of them

              Yes, you are right - "Lutsk" with "Ternopil" were laid down for the Soviet Navy, but they did not manage to raise its flag and were completed already in independent Ukraine for the Ukrainian Navy.
              1. Avior
                Avior 7 June 2021 16: 01
                0
                I looked strictly according to the section list
    5. 89268170588
      89268170588 11 June 2021 11: 25
      +1
      Why do you need this. "for the whites, for the red", most likely the author is for the International. If you are not superficially aware of the problems of the VNA and Russian fleets, please enlighten us orphans. Refute at least one "fake". It looks like it’s easier to burn with a verb, “hitting the squares” is easier. I don’t want to aggravate, but how boorishly Ukrainians behaved in Odessa when the fleet was divided, they even cuffed them to batteries.
  2. Asad
    Asad 6 June 2021 04: 39
    +1
    I wonder why the bandit Yanukovych is in parentheses? A coward, a thief, and a bandit whose place is in prison. It is also possible in Rostov.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 6 June 2021 06: 04
      -1
      Quote: ASAD
      I wonder why the bandit Yanukovych is in parentheses? A coward, a thief, and a bandit whose place is in prison. It is also possible in Rostov.

      patamushta author from Ukraine ... wassat
      1. Peak
        Peak 6 June 2021 07: 52
        -7
        Quote: Dead Day
        patamushta author from Ukraine ...


        Yes ... scattered Ivanovs on the "ball" ...
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 7 June 2021 14: 50
          +2
          Quote: PiK

          Yes ... I scattered the Ivanovs around the "ball" ...

          Well, if Ivanov took [the oath] ... Konovalenko, come on!
          © 72 meters
    2. Darkness
      Darkness 6 June 2021 07: 56
      -1
      Ahah ahah !!!!!
    3. Shishkov
      Shishkov 6 June 2021 08: 19
      +1
      Probably, I mean the current label that is being hung on Yanukovych within the framework of Ukrainian political discourse. The quotation marks are ironic in the sense that even the bandit benefited Ukraine more than the independent democrats. Although, of course, by and large these are all different varieties of one known substance ...
      1. Peak
        Peak 6 June 2021 09: 27
        0
        Quote: Shishkov
        Probably, I mean the current label that is being hung on Yanukovych within the framework of Ukrainian political discourse.


        Okay - Yanukovych, bandit yes ... And who are the judges?

        Than the current government of Ukraine, which came to it, including under the slogan - "Get the gang!"is different from him?

        Naturally, the weakness and cowardice of Yanukovosch made a coup d'etat in Ukraine possible, but he did not start the war ...
        1. Asad
          Asad 6 June 2021 09: 59
          0
          He did not stop her; Ukraine would have survived the elimination of a couple of thousand Bandera supporters.
          1. Peak
            Peak 6 June 2021 10: 01
            -1
            Quote: ASAD
            He did not stop her; Ukraine would have survived the elimination of a couple of thousand Bandera supporters.

            In another thread of the forum, exactly the same definition of Putin's indecision is given by V.V. Zhirinovsky yes calling it an error.
        2. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 6 June 2021 12: 03
          +4
          If Yanukovych was the president, and not a district cormorant, and used force, in full compliance with the current legislation, then there would be no civil war. Yes, they would have knocked a hundred on maydaun - another Banderast, they do not feel sorry for them, they went there to earn money. However, now only direct losses in Donbass are already several thousand and it is not known when this will stop.
          1. Sergey Kulikov_3
            Sergey Kulikov_3 6 June 2021 15: 13
            0
            Who would give him the use of force, you are not aware, apparently, that even then the Stars and Stripes flag was flying over the SBU? Yushchenko prepared everything under the guidance of sponsors.
            1. TermNachTer
              TermNachTer 6 June 2021 16: 22
              +1
              And who forbade Lukashenka to use force? Moreover, the cops who were standing on the Maidan, at that time, were already brutalized with lawlessness. They only had to give the command "Fas".
  3. antivirus
    antivirus 6 June 2021 04: 57
    +5
    Why did the Russian Federation not fight for its facilities?

    It is absolutely incomprehensible, and cannot be explained by logic.

    -see portraits of statesmen-Gaidar, Shakhrai VSCh and EBN.
    money was needed here and now - and take the entire Black Sea Fleet and pay for it with gas and so on - for 10-20 years in advance - this is a hole in the budget in a specific 95-97 or 2005,2010.
    yachts first. well, and the fleet --- then, "when you forget me .."
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 6 June 2021 05: 38
      +11
      Quote: antivirus
      Why did the Russian Federation not fight for its facilities?

      Because for such a collapse and division of property it was necessary to judge, and he was built (for budget money) a center where they teach "how bad everything was, and how everything became good" (and support for budget money - our money, withdrawn in the form of taxes). Moreover, they support the Yeltsin family for budget money (why were they afraid? How did these people glorify the Fatherland?)
      It is sometimes helpful to look back in order to understand who was who and who became who. Look, you will find many familiar faces (not yet well-fed and well-groomed, still crumpled and shabby):

      Then there was no one to fight in the Russian Federation. The methods of struggle were different. Some tore off pieces with blood and pain, while others made ends meet and tried to keep the "remnants of their own" in this maelstrom of events.
    2. Serg koma
      Serg koma 6 June 2021 08: 05
      +16
      Quote: antivirus
      statesmen - Gaidar, Shakhrai VSCh and EBN.

      The author sees only "a speck in someone else's eye ..."
      1993 - sold TAVKR "Kiev" for $ 1,6 million
      1994 - sold TAVKR "Minsk" for $ 4,583 million and "Novorossiysk" for $ 4,314 million
      If you list all the flying, ground, underwater and surface assets of the USSR Navy that Russia inherited and plundered for the enrichment of those close to the "feeding trough" - there will be a strong desire to dig out and scatter into dust, so that there is no memory left, and someone to hang by the legs on frontal place am
    3. Fotoceva62
      Fotoceva62 6 June 2021 10: 39
      +3
      Shakhrai in Ukrainian is a CHILE. As it is said in the Soviet film "what a disgusting mug." This is about EBN and family ...
  4. aleks neym_2
    aleks neym_2 6 June 2021 05: 01
    -2
    Question: why does a goat need a button accordion? Inflatable pelvis from striped ones are much more reliable, and even plus decommissioned coastal boats for big money without weapons - you need to be able to do sawing like that.
  5. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 6 June 2021 05: 28
    +6
    An unnecessary inheritance. Section of the Black Sea Fleet

    This section was needed by a certain circle of people. It was not enough to divide the fleet, it was necessary to make sure that these divided parts became in confrontation. As, after all, Gena Janissary did the right thing:

    But this is a completely different movie.
    1. north 2
      north 2 6 June 2021 07: 35
      +4
      Quote: ROSS 42
      An unnecessary inheritance. Section of the Black Sea Fleet

      This section was needed by a certain circle of people. It was not enough to divide the fleet, it was necessary to make sure that these divided parts became in confrontation. As, after all, Gena Janissary did the right thing:

      But this is a completely different movie.

      As Gena Janissary did in Sevastopol, so should have been done by the heads of dispatching railways and train drivers with brigades of railway workers at stations in the Baltic States. Civil aviation dispatchers and aircraft pilots in the Baltics. Port captains and ship captains of the Fishing and Merchant Fleets in the Baltic States. Tractor drivers and drivers of collective farms and enterprises in the Baltics. And all this equipment that Russia built for them during Soviet power and provided them for free, all these locomotives with tanks and wagons, all civil aircraft, all fish ships. fleet and commercial fleet, all ZILs, GAZs, KAMAZs and DONS and ROSSELMASH had to be overtaken to Russia. It was a crime to leave the enemy. All this was produced, from the tractor to the locomotives, not in the factories of the Baltics and not from the natural resources of the Baltics and not by the workers of the Baltics. With what fright or with what pleasure it was necessary to leave all this to the enemy.
      So the image of Gena Janissary is a collective image not only of the images of the crew members who followed him. This is a collective image more of a hint of what not only the military, but also civilians, who did not leave ships, trains, planes and cars to the enemy, should have been.
      And in Gena Yanichar, I also see the image of Admiral Kasatonov, who actually then saved and preserved the Black Sea Fleet with ships and crews and Sevastopol for Russia ...
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 6 June 2021 07: 36
        0
        Quote: north 2
        And in Gena Yanichar, I also see the image of Admiral Kasatonov, who actually then saved and preserved the Black Sea Fleet with ships and crews and Sevastopol for Russia ...

        I like the way you think. good
      2. Serg koma
        Serg koma 6 June 2021 17: 36
        -3
        Quote: north 2
        all ZILs, GAZs, KAMAZs and DONS and ROSSELMASH had to be overtaken to Russia.




        Overtake, transport, forward (etc., etc.) to Latvia laughing
        1. ZAV69
          ZAV69 10 June 2021 20: 28
          0
          Riga PBX Istok would gladly give it away, but thank God it was written off 10 years ago and handed over to the scrap
      3. paul3390
        paul3390 6 June 2021 18: 26
        +1
        so should have done

        Who then understood what was happening and what to do ... If the new leadership of the Russian Federation itself openly laid a bolt on all the interests of the country ...

        And that I was such a stump in my 25? Today's brains - I would then rip the throats of shitty people with my teeth for Soviet power .. Ugh ..
      4. Shadow041
        Shadow041 7 June 2021 11: 52
        +4
        I remember how several pilots in those days flew to the Russian Federation directly on combat aircraft, so there were men and officers who retained their honor. Admiral Kasatonov is a separate topic. The fact that today the Russian Federation generally has a Black Sea Fleet is not a small merit. Streets and ships need to be named after him in the Russian Federation, he deserves it.
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 8 June 2021 16: 32
          +1
          Yes, it was like that - with the banner of the unit, half of the Su-24 squadron flew from Sumeria to Russia. But the Sumerians did not even disband this part (there is no banner). Another thing is that then in Russia they were not very much expected either.
          1. Shadow041
            Shadow041 8 June 2021 21: 18
            +2
            Well, there is a song on this topic. - Russia does not favor us with either glory or a ruble, but we are its last soldiers, which means we must hold out until we die, aty-bats, aty-bats ... The Chubais understandably did not appreciate their impulse, but journalists and the people then called them heroes and what they deserve ... They take the oath once and they swore it not to the Sumerian separatists.
    2. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 6 June 2021 12: 24
      +8
      Quote: ROSS 42
      But this is a completely different movie.

      This is not a movie. It was true ... My friend on the ship was one of the first to raise the St. Andrew's flag. The ship was standing on the wall (at the pier). the crew was cut off the water supply, el. energy, steam, food deliveries ... They sat on the ship without going ashore ... The Ukrainians threatened them with the selection of apartments, summer cottages, the deprivation of their wives' jobs ... But ordinary sailors did not give up! And EBNy and kravchuk swallowed bloody pieces of our homeland. without gagging or grimacing !!!
  6. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 6 June 2021 05: 38
    +5
    Ukraine without Russian statehood will never develop, without Russian statehood and the territory of which it was written off as a gift, it would be like Romania or Hungary, Ukroin needs to be destroyed economically and by internal contradictions and take away its territories with the Russian population.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 6 June 2021 07: 41
      +2
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Ukraine needs to be destroyed economically and by internal contradictions and take back its territories with the Russian population.

      yes good Not devoid of common sense. An economically weak country can be surprisingly accommodating (by the way, I don’t understand where did Yanukovych’s debt go?). Ah, "Boa constrictor" and a kind word are better than just a kind word. wink
      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 6 June 2021 08: 50
        0
        Greetings colleague! I forgot to say that the Nazis, the most zealous to hang, and the rest to hard labor smile
        1. val43
          val43 7 June 2021 11: 21
          -6
          Greetings colleague! I forgot to say that the Nazis, the most zealous to hang, and the rest to hard labor
          The navel will not untie?
        2. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 8 June 2021 16: 34
          0
          No, hard labor is not for them, you have to work there. Better immediately for fertilizers.
      2. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 14 June 2021 20: 07
        0
        Quote: ROSS 42
        An economically weak country can be surprisingly accommodating

        You lose sight of the fact that the European Union and the United States support them. And to print a couple of hundred million dollars for the states is not a problem. Did you hear the Marshall Plan?
    2. antivirus
      antivirus 6 June 2021 10: 18
      0
      except - to take with the Russian population - it is even more important to give Galicia to the Poles for refining into true European
  7. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 6 June 2021 06: 01
    -1
    This is 404. They grab a freebie without even knowing what to do with it. Freebie-fas. That's the whole point of Ukrainian statehood.
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 6 June 2021 07: 51
      0
      Quote: carstorm 11
      They grab a freebie without even knowing what to do with it.

      In-in.
      Kiev received 20 TU-22m3, 12 Tu-22R / U / PP (...), 11 - TU-16

      ... and also Tu-160 and Tu-95. Why would they want planes with such a radius and with such a combat load? Even Great Britain and France do not have such, it is expensive to maintain even for them. But, "what I don't eat, I will take a bite."
  8. Turist1996
    Turist1996 6 June 2021 07: 00
    +9
    I disagree about Novorossiysk: firstly, at that time the situation with Crimea was clearly not even planned, and secondly, why is it bad to have another basing point for the fleet ?!
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 6 June 2021 07: 44
      +2
      Quote: Turist1996
      secondly, why is it bad to have one more basing point for the fleet ?!

      And better - "Nikolaev Shipyards" and a developed structure of "parking" diesel-electric submarines and other ships, as well as the equipment of repair bases in a relatively warm region.
      1. Turist1996
        Turist1996 7 June 2021 15: 03
        +1
        Well, that would be luxurious at all! good
  9. Eug
    Eug 6 June 2021 07: 07
    +1
    Two prototypes were also transferred to Ukraine (I do not know to what extent they correspond to the serial ones, the aerodynamic similarity is most likely 2%) of the Su-100K, which were later sold to the Chinese.
    Well, and also - got a lot, because they took into account the "share" of Ukraine in other fleets. If I remember correctly, the talk in the press was about 16% of the entire fleet of the USSR. And all these% Ukraine received from the Black Sea Fleet.
    1. Avior
      Avior 7 June 2021 03: 34
      -1
      remember wrong
      Ukraine received 20% of the Black Sea Fleet, Russia - 80%. Other fleets were not taken into account.
  10. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 6 June 2021 07: 43
    +4
    Why did the Russian Federation not fight for its facilities?
    RF for people did not fight what about objects
  11. prior
    prior 6 June 2021 07: 57
    +4
    I remember how, after the transfer of a part of the Black Sea Fleet to Ukraine, a familiar foreman of the former Ukrainian collective farm made a remark: "Why the heck Ukraine, these ships, for one hour of running, the BOD burns more fuel than the region needs for sowing and harvesting ..."
    The comparison amazed me. As they say, the greed of the fryer (Ukraine) ruined. The expenses for the military equipment inherited from the USSR exceeded reasonable amounts.
    The foreman thought about the sowing campaign, in Kiev they thought about the war.
    How obvious is now the result of the then Ukrainian stupidity, no fleet, not a penny ... request
    1. S. Smirnov
      S. Smirnov 6 June 2021 08: 15
      +21
      Quote: prior
      The foreman thought about the sowing campaign, in Kiev they thought about the war

      No, in Kiev they thought about money. Yesterday's enemies have become partners for them
  12. Non-fighter
    Non-fighter 6 June 2021 09: 37
    +3
    And here only one thing comes to mind - in the wake of the cutting of the fleet, Kiev simply demanded its share, which in the end became the source of material and financial well-being of Ukrainian admirals for 17 long years. And such issues as the security of the borders, in those glorious years, no one particularly worried.

    Actually, the entire article fits into this paragraph.
    Ukraine: grab more, "I bite whatever I eat."
    Russia: and for what purpose are we going to support all this? Remind about the state of the budget and the state as a whole at that time ?? If we left ourselves to be approached not from a military but from an accounting point of view, then the section is normal: we gave away what we cannot contain. For if you have finances for 1,5 ships, then it is better to leave one than to stretch it into two. Yes, as a military force of the Russian Black Sea Fleet almost ceased to exist, but at least something remained, we managed to retain personnel.
    And again, I don't know what we managed to take on the "other board" at the expense of the Black Sea Fleet sacrifice.
    I do not know in what environment the decision was made. what requirements and conditions were set, what kind of maneuver space did the Russian Federation have at that moment, and what tasks they wanted to solve. All this must be taken into account. In short, before evaluating the section of the fleet, one must read the archives and memoirs of those who are involved in this.
  13. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 6 June 2021 09: 38
    0
    History has put everything in its place .. The objectivity is as follows: Ukraine is not a maritime power. Ukraine is an agricultural reservation. All that could be sold was sold. All that could be traded was traded. Including shared history and memory. For us, a lesson - how to live is impossible. We draw conclusions and try not to make mistakes. And then, we'll see ...
  14. Misha_an26
    Misha_an26 6 June 2021 13: 00
    +1
    I remember the division of 195 OTAP in Kustanai (An-12,24.26, XNUMX), support parts and, accordingly, land, buildings, a residential town, etc. The result, everything was lost. As regards aircraft equipment, Kazakhstani comrades sold all of theirs to Africa. either written off Nothing is new under the moon. Our regiment was reduced to a squadron and kicked out of Kazakhstan. (The guys from Baikonur were more agile).
  15. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 6 June 2021 15: 46
    0
    There is only one conclusion - you need to drink less! And think about the country, and not about how to fill your immense wallets.
    Struggle with a hangover gave land in passing, and then some pieces of iron that need to be serviced and servants to support. What can we say now about the time of idiotic temporary workers - a new one must be built and, first of all, one's own country, which many "businessmen" were selling left and right on the cheap !.
  16. Looking for
    Looking for 6 June 2021 16: 27
    -3
    the author. and why at the head of the article this flag of the state-traitor. state-renegata. Or for lobbying the outskirts pay well ???
    1. Black lotos
      Black lotos 6 June 2021 19: 39
      -3
      Quote: Seeker
      traitor state flag

      a flag cannot be a "traitor" like a country.
      It is not prohibited by law.

      Moscow.
  17. Warhead-xnumx
    Warhead-xnumx 6 June 2021 18: 32
    +2
    It was in those years that I served in Sevastopol on the "Kerch" shipbuilding complex. I remember very well this troubled time, when the nezalezhnye tried to get their hands on everything that somehow kept afloat. And together with the crews. And ours actively helped them in this.
  18. Warhead-xnumx
    Warhead-xnumx 6 June 2021 18: 42
    +1
    They did not receive food for six months. The solarium was sold ashore, and in the magazines it was written off for the planned start of the engines. Canned food, stew, potatoes, pasta - they never reached the ship. Everything was overloaded immediately on the bank to the left. The sailors sat on the same cabbage. Sauerkraut, stewed cabbage, boiled cabbage, fried cabbage. For breakfast, lunch and dinner. I ate cabbage for the rest of my life. It was a bad time, everything was falling apart, every second officer / midshipman was forced to steal in order to somehow feed his family.
  19. xomaNN
    xomaNN 6 June 2021 23: 04
    +1
    how much money went into the preparation of the transfer of the KChF to Novorossiysk, and most importantly - why.

    Given that vector of Ukraine's development from 2004 to 2017, the Black Sea Fleet could be "squeezed" out of Sevastopol. And where then, to the Caspian Sea and the Baltic Fleet, would the ships have to be ferried?
  20. Shadow041
    Shadow041 7 June 2021 11: 45
    +1
    The base in Novorossiysk, if Moscow is smart enough to maintain it in a tolerable condition, will not disappear, because it is always better to have several bases, and not one ... As for the fleet, then Yeltsin and the company needed power in those years, about other things he I thought little, or did not think at all ... The very preservation of the Black Sea Fleet in the Russian Federation is not a small merit of the then command of the Black Sea Fleet.
  21. Serhi
    Serhi 7 June 2021 13: 55
    0
    Who gives this author to write, well, a dunce of pure water. That fleet and the current one cannot be compared a priori, since the combat power capabilities of the current MRCs are the same as those of frigates and BODs of that time.
  22. ZigaZaga
    ZigaZaga 7 June 2021 19: 11
    +1
    And with what fright the RRC Moscow was written off, when, it is possible an official source, and not articles from "jaundice" ???
  23. Roman_2
    Roman_2 8 June 2021 10: 40
    +2
    Cruiser Moskva decommissioned!?

    On April 30, 2021, the Nakhimov Order of Guards missile cruiser Moskva of the Black Sea Fleet fired for the first time in modern history in the Black Sea with the main missile system of the Basalt ship with a Vulcan missile. The shooting was carried out at a naval target shield imitating a simulated enemy ship. The missile successfully hit a target at a maritime training ground at a distance of 30 km. The cruiser "Moskva" went to sea the day before. During the exercise, naval sailors, together with the crews of aircraft and helicopters of the naval aviation and air defense of the fleet, worked out air defense actions. According to the commander of the Black Sea Fleet, Vice-Admiral Igor Osipov, the materiel of the cruiser "Moskva" is in service, the personnel are healthy. "The flagship is being deployed to the permanent readiness forces, ready to carry out the assigned tasks," the commander said. [25].
  24. Free Island
    Free Island 9 June 2021 06: 42
    +1
    The result of the carve-up, today, is that Russia has a Navy in the Black Sea, and Sumeria has a naval raft
  25. zenion
    zenion 9 June 2021 17: 36
    +1
    Yeltsin acted on the principle - a woman with a cart, it is easier for horses. The fleet is a delicate matter, you need to look after it, only painting will take how much money that can be stolen. It was on this principle that the factories, factories and everything that required the master's eye was raked up. As Marked and Yeltsin squealed, when the plant has not a director, but an owner, then everything will be okay, and even more. America will gasp at the prosperity of Russia. And Russia has released a bud, but there is no prosperity and is not expected. It did not go into flower or fruit.
  26. serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 10 June 2021 12: 02
    0
    Hre-e-e-ny !!! Achinea is easier to carry than a log.
  27. Valery Kolesov
    Valery Kolesov 15 June 2021 16: 20
    +1
    And in the 90s, Yeltsin distributed everything to everyone. Sovereignty, property, land.
  28. Protos
    Protos 15 June 2021 23: 01
    0
    Another all-prop lol
    Greetings from the resurgent unsinkable aircraft carrier "Crimea" - the southern outpost of Russia soldier