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Preliminary dates for the start of production of a new light MLRS of 80 mm caliber have been announced

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Serial production of the new light 80-mm MLRS is scheduled to begin in 2024. This was announced by the head of the Tekhnodinamika holding Igor Nasenkov.


Answering journalists' questions during the congress of the Union of Mechanical Engineers of Russia, Nasenkov explained that the NPO SPLAV named after A. N. Ganichev is developing a new light MLRS on its own initiative. A demonstration sample will be shown to the military at the Army-2021 forum. If everything suits the military, the development will be completed in 2023, and serial production will start at the end of 2024, after passing state tests.

Earlier, the development of a new light MLRS of 80-mm caliber was reported in "Techmash" To date, the development is at the stage of determining the technical appearance of the complex, the next stage will be the creation of a prototype and its testing.

All further actions depend on the Ministry of Defense. If the military are satisfied with the proposed characteristics, the work will be continued. If not, then changes will be made to the project, and this is additional time. So far, the military has requested a wheeled chassis for the MLRS and determined the range of tasks that the new installation should solve.

According to preliminary data, the new light MLRS will be able to be installed on cars, and use unguided weapons as ammunition. aviation missiles of the S-8 type of 80-mm caliber, taken as a basis. It is possible that in the future, special ammunition of increased range and power will be developed for the new complex.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 2 June 2021 11: 18
    +2
    At least the alleged data led.
    1. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 2 June 2021 11: 20
      +23
      At least the alleged data led.
      At least they told why the RF Armed Forces need an 80-mm MLRS
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 2 June 2021 11: 27
        +8
        Quote: Trapp1st
        At least they told why the RF Armed Forces need an 80-mm MLRS

        It is fashionable, youthful! laughing Drive a maximum of barmaley, well, or push the same barmaley, only good, correct barmaley.
        1. For example
          For example 2 June 2021 12: 26
          +4
          Quote: Trapp1st
          At least they told why the RF Armed Forces need an 80-mm MLRS

          Well, the guys tried, designed, developed ... winked
          You need to take ... laughing

          That was. wassat

          How many different rubbish they do in order to sell to the military.

          And what is important, they are selling!

          Examples of darkness.
        2. Volkof
          Volkof 2 June 2021 12: 58
          -2
          There is a threat that these MLRSs will fly at us in the future ... This is more of a terrorist weapon, it does not fit into a modern war ... Yes, it also stands in the sub-state of the Outskirts on their combat boats ...
        3. Barberry25
          Barberry25 2 June 2021 20: 11
          +2
          Well, in fact, MTR + mining divisions can enter ... and that's all
          1. ProkletyiPirat
            ProkletyiPirat 6 June 2021 20: 00
            0
            yes, it’s not even possible to rivet for the ground forces, it’s just that apparently it came to someone at the top that once in all conflicts from Vietnam to Syria, the military (including the USSR / Russian Federation) put all sorts of NARs on wheels / caterpillars, then apparently there is some kind of sense. Therefore, it is quite logical to implement this in a normal way and work out tactical developments. request
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 6 June 2021 20: 14
              0
              well, in this case, rather with an eye to the Syrian experience, for me, put an automatic guidance system so that without leaving the cockpit, put stops, and banged at the coordinates and will be the most relish ... cheap and angry: thermobars and a checkpoint will demolish any, but shrapnel -cumulative any offensive will be stopped .. and you don't need to jerk the Grads
              1. ProkletyiPirat
                ProkletyiPirat 6 June 2021 20: 31
                0
                No, Syria is just the last of the conflicts, but all this has already been previously implemented in the form of various ersatz.
                1. Barberry25
                  Barberry25 6 June 2021 20: 33
                  0
                  but our military officials usually think very slowly .. that's the current recently decided to check .. and whether collimator sights are needed on assault rifles or not ... when all the others already have collimators and 4x optics and are thinking about equipping with "smart" sights ...
                  1. ProkletyiPirat
                    ProkletyiPirat 6 June 2021 21: 43
                    0
                    I generally doubt that someone there thinks something, in my opinion (based on the open experience of the USSR / RF) in the vast majority of cases our (RF) warriors (those who are responsible for orders) think in the style of "copy-paste" something they saw someone, and they begin to declare wishlist with postscripts better, faster, cheaper and definitely "we need it yesterday", "we will give money when you do it", "we will not sign contracts, and then suddenly" and so on
                    1. Barberry25
                      Barberry25 6 June 2021 21: 52
                      0
                      laughing in-in .. although it is stupid to read the recommendations from the DB zones they are too lazy
                      1. ProkletyiPirat
                        ProkletyiPirat 6 June 2021 22: 38
                        0
                        Well, with the "recommendations from the LDP zones", not everything is fine either, the principle "how to make a wunderwaffe out of shit and sticks so as not to fail a combat mission" also works there, and this experience needs to be analyzed, in the end it all comes down to the option described earlier.
                        Although here all the same it is worth admitting that it is not so much about the "warriors" themselves, "effective managers" and "experts" as about how they are organized and most importantly paid such works are monetized.
      2. Mik13
        Mik13 2 June 2021 11: 51
        +10
        Quote: Trapp1st
        At least they told why the RF Armed Forces need an 80-mm MLRS

        The result of the operation of such an installation is approximately the same as the actions of an 82mm mortar company, but only the result of about 5 minutes of work is shipped from one place in about 20 seconds.

        It is very convenient for unobtrusive influence on the platoon and company strongholds of partners in the political process, especially if the partners know how and practice counter-battery actions and have appropriate radars.
        1. Trapp1st
          Trapp1st 2 June 2021 12: 15
          +5
          Very convenient for unobtrusive influence on platoon and company strongholds of partners in the political process
          And the existing 122mm and others are not convenient?
          1. Mik13
            Mik13 2 June 2021 12: 32
            +3
            Quote: Trapp1st
            And the existing 122mm and others are not convenient?

            Conveniently. And the tactical warhead is so wonderful. But not always there.
            That is why there are artillery weapon systems of various calibers. The same MLRS - as many as 3 calibers available. And everyone has something to do.

            I think that organizationally these installations will be in the battalion's staff - not higher.
            A 122 mm (this is BM-21) - is used as part of a division (18 vehicles) as part of the division's artillery regiment.
            For the battalion commander, these are the means of the senior chief, with which they may or may not help.
            1. Trapp1st
              Trapp1st 2 June 2021 12: 35
              -1
              But not always there.
              What is definitely not there is an 80mm MLRS! The question is, why produce an entity?
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 2 June 2021 14: 27
                0
                Quote: Trapp1st
                What is definitely not there is an 80mm MLRS! The question is, why produce an entity?

                Perhaps this is the "forerunner" of other weapons! Somehow there was a message that "Techmash" is developing a small-caliber "universal" MLRS ... Such a "wunderwaffle" should be equipped with a BIUS, possibly a radar; shoot both NURS and URS ... both at ground targets and at air targets ... The caliber was supposed to be in the range: 50-80 mm ...
              2. Polite Moose
                Polite Moose 2 June 2021 14: 51
                +6
                Quote: Trapp1st
                What is definitely not there is an 80mm MLRS! The question is, why produce an entity?

                Perhaps the developers of this MLRS were pushed to its creation by the S-8 warehouse stocks, or rather, their volumes. For aviation, this type of BP, due to the short range and development of air defense systems, has become somewhat unattractive (although I may be mistaken in this matter). But the good will not be lost. So they were honored to make a "utilizer".
                We can use this device in the protection of aerodromes and bases of the Aerospace Forces. Comb the adjoining "brilliant green".
            2. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 2 June 2021 14: 19
              +5
              Yeli-bals ... well, why think so banal? Indeed, besides the BM-21, there is also a Grad-P with a shortened launch tube ... and a shortened eres (9M22M = 1,9 m) with a range of up to 11 km ... You can take a warhead from 9M22 and slobber a turbojet engine ... thus get an even shorter and lighter eres with a range of up to 8 km ...... 9M22 is for "example" ... you can take other, more modern 122-mm warheads. The main thing is that you can get a more powerful and effective weapon than the 80-mm MLRS! And the "assortment" of 122-mm warheads is varied!
              By the way, on the topic of "homemade weapons" I had to read how the "rebels" in either Syria, Libya or Iraq "produced" homemade eres from 122-mm artillery shells and rocket engines from 107-mm Chinese eres and fired them from suitable "water" pipes!
              1. cat Rusich
                cat Rusich 2 June 2021 19: 26
                +3
                Quote: Nikolaevich I
                Yeli-bals ... well, why think so banal? Indeed, besides the BM-21, there is also a Grad-P with a shortened launch tube ... and a shortened eres (9M22M = 1,9 m) with a range of up to 11 km ... You can take a warhead from 9M22 and slobber a turbojet engine ...!
                And gradually, step by step, we will come to something like this ...
                homemade rszo
                homemade rszo
                homemade rszo
                Let me remind you ...
                The first domestic MLRS BM-13 "Katyusha" had an M-8 projectile with a caliber of 82mm
                bm-13
                bm-13
                We go back in a circle, but after doing deep modernization ...
                soldier
        2. garri-lin
          garri-lin 2 June 2021 12: 31
          +3
          The result of the installation is 60 -80 missiles. If they do like the Brothers. In 30-40 seconds. For a distance of maximum 3 km. Two mortars throw it in a minute. With good calculation. So, in terms of range and density, it is almost parity. The charge for C 8 is about a kilogram, for a mine of 400-450 grams. But the fragmentation effect of the mine will be much better. And the most important minus of the MLRS, it is healthy and from 3 km you can see it. And the mortar on hand can be brought neatly. Give the barmaley and then sell rockets at exorbitant prices? It's possible. To your troops? The crime.
          1. Trapp1st
            Trapp1st 2 June 2021 12: 34
            +2
            But the fragmentation effect of the mine will be much better. And the most important minus of the MLRS, it is healthy and from 3 km you can see it. And you can bring the mortar in your hands neatly.
            Bring, hide well behind small folds, between walls, etc. plus you can throw it almost vertically from the mortar, is it appropriate in general to compare the mortar and the MLRS !?
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 2 June 2021 13: 22
              +4
              Of course not. A mortar at this distance is much more practical.
        3. VO3A
          VO3A 2 June 2021 13: 24
          -2
          and company strongholds of political partners

          They do not have "company strongholds", they ended long ago, they are not in modern war ...
        4. Barberry25
          Barberry25 2 June 2021 20: 12
          +1
          then it is easier to put LSHO-57
      3. 72jora72
        72jora72 2 June 2021 12: 40
        0
        At least they told why the RF Armed Forces need an 80-mm MLRS
        Jihadmobiles do
        1. Trapp1st
          Trapp1st 2 June 2021 12: 44
          +4
          Jihadmobiles do
          A specific weapon that is not very suitable for a war with a technologically advanced enemy.
          1. 72jora72
            72jora72 2 June 2021 12: 47
            0
            A specific weapon that is not very suitable for a war with a technologically advanced enemy.
            If they gash guided missile 80ku, then I think there will be a niche for such an MLRS ...
            1. Trapp1st
              Trapp1st 2 June 2021 12: 54
              +1
              If they gash a guided missile 80ku
              What prevents to finish the controlled 122, did they talk about it 4-5 years ago? And again, if there is 122 why 80?
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 2 June 2021 16: 52
                +1
                And again, if there is 122 why 80?

                Weight, price, landing capability and maneuverability. hi
            2. garri-lin
              garri-lin 2 June 2021 13: 29
              +3
              For a long time there is a set of alterations from C 8 to controlled. There are even several kits from different manufacturers. The question is what will be the output? An analogue of a Bassoon with a HE warhead and a huge launcher? What for?
              1. Barberry25
                Barberry25 2 June 2021 20: 17
                +3
                there is no sense in a controlled one .. the most optimal thing to do .. take the version that was shown on the basis of the UAZ and tighten the work on the external control center .. so that if suddenly it was possible to cool the enemy ardor
                1. garri-lin
                  garri-lin 2 June 2021 23: 13
                  +1
                  Distance!!!! The range is short. The launcher will have to be adjusted closely. Many have made such Papelans. From Daisy to Flute. Relevant only in defense. Wait until they come up, shower and wash off if you can. On the sly.
                  1. Barberry25
                    Barberry25 3 June 2021 09: 25
                    0
                    why not? we have a defense against the BTG, it will be able to work on the distant lines of the ACS and MLRS, but if there is a very close contact? and such machines themselves will be very cheap .. I would not be surprised that the price tag of 10 machines will be less than one ACS .. So you need to watch .. create an experienced company and test it on exercises .. in principle, catching a couple of hundred bunks in 1 minute will be unpleasant for any battalion, even on tanks ..
                    1. garri-lin
                      garri-lin 3 June 2021 10: 08
                      0
                      Where the battalion of tanks will attack, the reconnaissance will be such that you will not hide.
                      1. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 3 June 2021 11: 46
                        0
                        in the course .. but there are still options .. even more so here is the question of a significant increase due to very small funds .. in general, you need to look at the exercises .. in principle, being in the field when such a system zhahnet is not very pleasant, even under armor
                      2. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 3 June 2021 13: 26
                        0
                        It's still a controversial decision. Why produce essences?
                      3. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 3 June 2021 17: 02
                        0
                        Well, because the number of Grads is limited and they need more funds ... why do you need an 82 mm mortar when there is 120 mm? the same thing here ... we need a base for analysis, we need tests ... in fact, the stock of NARs is huge, make a system that will it is not difficult to work at ranges up to 4 km in semi-automatic mode, the main thing is that either by topographic location, or a sight for aiming with a range finder ... you need to look at the test result.
            3. Barberry25
              Barberry25 2 June 2021 20: 15
              0
              uh ... to get an ersatz version of the ATGM?
      4. V.I.P.
        V.I.P. 2 June 2021 13: 15
        +1
        How interesting. We always laugh at everything, throw mud at everything, and then do the same !!! How they laughed at the APU and all sorts of bats with their UAZ with a launcher for the C-8. And now they are molding for the RF Ministry of Defense.
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 3 June 2021 17: 03
          0
          laughing the difference is that the APU experts passed it off as a wunderwaffe, and the project stalled for them ...
      5. venik
        venik 2 June 2021 15: 24
        -3
        Quote: Trapp1st
        At least they told why the RF Armed Forces need an 80-mm MLRS

        =========
        WHY do the RF Armed Forces need 82-mm mortars (the same "Trays") ???
      6. Alex777
        Alex777 2 June 2021 16: 48
        0
        At least they told why the RF Armed Forces need an 80-mm MLRS

        https://missilery.info/news/npk-tehmash-planiruet-sozdat-malokalibernuyu-reaktivnuyu-sistemu-zalpovogo-ognya-s-elementami
        NPK Tekhmash (part of Rostec) plans to create for the Airborne Forces, marines and special forces a small-caliber multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) with robotization elements, capable, in addition to ground targets, to hit helicopters and drones. This was announced to reporters at the ArmHiTec-2018 exhibition by the company's deputy general director Alexander Kochkin.

        "We aim to create a system that will not only combat ground targets, but also combat air targets. Helicopters and unmanned aerial vehicles will be hit in the immediate vicinity - 1,5-2 km, in height - no more than 1 km," - said Kochkin.

        He clarified that the company plans to work with the Ministry of Defense on the terms of reference for a new MLRS in the near future. "I think the Airborne Forces, the Marines, the Special Forces, which operate in isolation from the main forces, will show interest. They need fire support for such systems," the Deputy Director General said.
      7. seos
        seos 3 June 2021 00: 04
        +1
        "Light brigades" will strengthen ...
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 2 June 2021 11: 27
      +2
      At least the alleged data led.
      While they are not there, why bring there !? But for curious citizens, you can take the parameters of the NAR C-8 as a basis!
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 2 June 2021 11: 28
        -1
        This has already been done. Neighbors.
        On MTLB, on LuAZ, on Centaur boats.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 2 June 2021 12: 16
          +2
          Yes, many have already played since the last century, not only neighbors ... but also all sorts of barmaley on their gantrucks and not only .. wink , in Afghanistan and put on Soviet Zilas, right in the back !!!
        2. venik
          venik 2 June 2021 15: 56
          +3
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          This has already been done. Neighbors.
          On MTLB, on LuAZ, on Centaur boats.

          ========
          And not only Ukraine did it! Even China, Croatia, Belarus and even the States were engaged in light MLRS ...
          The Belarusians, in general, have a very interesting design:



          Impressive 80 launchers guides, deployment speed (on the ground) - up to 60 seconds and preparation speed for firing - no more than 30 seconds!
          The firing range is certainly not impressive 1 - 3 km (according to some sources: up to 5 km. But there are no special problems with ammunition: S-8 of various modifications have been riveted a lot!
          Such a system can be very useful not only for local conflicts, but also for the Airborne Forces!
      2. garri-lin
        garri-lin 2 June 2021 13: 25
        0
        And where can the parameters of the NAR C 8 be taken for starting from the ground and with zero speed. ?
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 2 June 2021 13: 31
          +3
          And where can the parameters of the NAR C 8 be taken for starting from the ground and with zero speed. ?
          Well, surprise, on the net, and if you still know how to use a ballistic calculator, then a lot of interesting things can be learned ... wink
          List of sources:
          A.B.Shirokorad. History of aircraft weapons.
          Vladimir Markovsky, Konstantin Perov. The heirs of the "eres".
          Oleg Presnyakov, Mikhail Semivragov. Arrows of the Thunderbolts.
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 2 June 2021 13: 56
            +2
            At Shirokorad, I don't remember data on shooting from the ground with elevation and with zero speed. I don’t know about the rest. The ballistic calculator is a good thing. Not perfect.
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 2 June 2021 14: 40
              +2
              Not perfect.
              And where, have you seen the ideal pieces in real conditions, only if at the test site ...!? wink I have given, sources are one of the many that can be found on the net, if you lose a little of your personal time! yes
              1. garri-lin
                garri-lin 2 June 2021 15: 05
                0
                I'll look at it in the evening. I will refresh my memory.
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              1. garri-lin
                garri-lin 2 June 2021 16: 17
                +1
                Here, too, not everything is so simple. In some sources, the C 8 range starts at 1400 meters. I think this is a direct shot from a hanging / slowly flying turntable. But the initial speed is not only the range and speed of the missile. It's also about precision. Prowling at low speeds has not been canceled. It takes time to set the speed at which the stabilizers begin to work. And all this time the rocket flies like a log.
    3. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 2 June 2021 11: 46
      0
      special ammunition of increased range and power.
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      the data resulted.
    4. BABAY22
      BABAY22 2 June 2021 12: 00
      +14
      As an example,

      The Belarusian combat vehicle MLRS "Flute" has a combat weight of 6970 kg, a crew of two. Deployment time on the ground - no more than 60 seconds. The preparation time for a volley takes up to 30 seconds. The effective firing range is from 1000 to 3000 meters (other sources cite the figure up to 5000 m). Uses the widespread Soviet 80-mm aircraft unguided missiles of the S-8 series, launched from an 80-charge launcher based on the Asilak SHTS (Strong) armored vehicle with a 4x4 wheel arrangement
      1. Peak
        Peak 2 June 2021 12: 14
        +4
        Quote: BABAY22
        Uses the widespread Soviet 80-mm aircraft unguided missiles of the S-8 series, launched from an 80-charge launcher based on the Asilak SHTS (Strong) armored vehicle with a 4x4 wheel arrangement


        This is why our "Buran-GAZ", based on "Sadko", is not a platform for such an MLRS, especially since the Belarusian "Asilak" is also built on the GAZ platform and differs in a number of details, for example, the power of the YaMZ engine - 150 hp versus 200 y " Burana ".

        1. Intruder
          Intruder 2 June 2021 12: 21
          -1
          than our "Buran-GAZ", based on "Sadko", is not a platform for such an MLRS, especially since the Belarusian "Asilak" is also built on the GAZ platform and
          It is very pretentious and pompous, for an army MLRS, this design of a Russian technical genius (for nowhere and in any way a howling machine ... only to carry it to exhibitions in an airplane ...), looks with incomprehension and laughter, a Soviet self-taught designer good :


      2. Garm
        Garm 2 June 2021 12: 48
        +2
        Well, that would buy from the Belarusians, that we need a lot of them? What for themselves to invent this gantrak? If we really need it, then we can purchase a production license, everything will be cheaper and faster.
        1. Grits
          Grits 2 June 2021 14: 02
          +1
          Quote: Garm
          Well, that would buy from the Belarusians, that we need a lot of them? What for themselves to invent this gantrak?

          Why buy? And why invent? Screwing a ready-made installation to the same ready-made Sadko - what is difficult?
    5. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 2 June 2021 14: 49
      0
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      At least the alleged data led.

      Quote: Trapp1st
      At least they told why the RF Armed Forces need an 80-mm MLRS

      At least, in the light of the upcoming integration with Belarus, they remembered:
    6. RealPilot
      RealPilot 2 June 2021 20: 42
      +3
      In fact, blocks with unguided S-8 missiles have been put on technology for a long time and relatively successfully.
      We saw this in Syria and the Middle East, Africa, even in Ukraine.
      When the aviation is no longer there, and ammunition and launchers (NAR / NURS units) are still there ...

      From a stationary vehicle and at short distances, these missiles are acceptable in a combat mission. And they are applied. And there are 20 of them. in one helicopter block B-8V20, for example, and this is already a very powerful salvo!

      If there is demand, then supply appears. And it is better to lead this process. bully
      Factory products are preferable to handicrafts. Yes, there are already foreign analogues, but the missiles are of our own production.

      And, I would like to note that the S-8KOM is being finalized to guided versions with laser guidance by installing the seeker with rudders.
      So the development potential has ...
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 2 June 2021 11: 19
    +5
    According to preliminary data, the new light MLRS will be able to be installed on cars, and use unguided aircraft missiles of the C-8 type of 80-mm caliber, taken as a basis, as ammunition.
    The campaign is no longer new. Somewhere wink this has already been brought to life!
  3. Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 2 June 2021 11: 27
    +5
    Everyone is working on increasing the range of both rocket and cannon artillery. And in our country, as is customary lately, they are trying to throw kaku into the troops under the guise of candy.
  4. Cananecat
    Cananecat 2 June 2021 11: 29
    +1
    And where is her? At the company level, it is not needed, at the battalion level there are 2-3 pieces of equipment, for the solution of operational tasks it is still possible ... but there is no point in bringing them together into separate units.
    In addition, it is necessary to consider this issue in terms of where, when and under what conditions these installations were collective farms. Wherever they appeared, the units were "hungry" for artillery support ...
    1. KCA
      KCA 2 June 2021 11: 42
      0
      Airborne, no?
      1. Cananecat
        Cananecat 2 June 2021 14: 33
        0
        Quote: KCA
        Airborne, no?

        Knapsack ... itit ...
        1. KCA
          KCA 2 June 2021 15: 13
          0
          MLRS 80mm can be installed on the base of the Tiger or BMD, they are parachuted with a knapsack? I didn't know if I was thinking on the BMD platform or the special Tiger parachute system
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 2 June 2021 14: 52
      0
      Quote: Canecat
      at the battalion level 2-3 pieces of equipment, for solving

      Replace the "Cornflowers" of mortar batteries by 80 mm? belay
      1. Cananecat
        Cananecat 2 June 2021 15: 46
        -1
        Do not replace, but supplement.
  5. OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 2 June 2021 11: 59
    +2
    If uncontrolled MLRS then the caliber of 80 mm is weak. The same Chinese MLRS 107 mm will be more effective.

    If done in 80 mm format, the missiles need to be guided. Due to the accuracy, compensate for the low power and range. The Turks have a similar system.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 2 June 2021 13: 36
      -1
      If the uncontrolled MLRS then the caliber of 80 mm is weak
      Colleague hi , depending on what warhead and the level of thrust of the TTRD, it is used there ... And in this type and caliber, if you come up with the mind, then you can make an evil projectile with programmable detonation and into a pickup truck, it is easy to shove such a caliber - up to 65 units in tubular PU and up to 40 km., watering with shrapnel or thermobaric (we even have 5 mm., thermobars were made) trenches and trenches of bad guys in one salvo, and then slippers to the floor and to a new position ... yes
      1. Barberry25
        Barberry25 2 June 2021 20: 25
        0
        a question in the sense ... 1) a control system controlled there will be more expensive than the rocket itself ... then it is easier to take and use the 9P148 Competition ... and you need to understand what to do new is stupid, because the justification for this device is huge stocks of NARs
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 2 June 2021 22: 13
          +1
          a control system controlled there will be more expensive than the rocket itself ..
          Directly and more expensive, an elementary programmable timer in the head, and a contact bus in the barrel of a smooth PU, costs a penny ... now, like: Nano-Power System Timer yes ), here's a cheap programmable detonation system ... laughing
          Then it's easier Competition 9P148
          And how much does it cost ... ??? And then there is a cheap MLRS, so that all sorts of barmaley can be chased ... and just scared, with the aim of "expelling" them from their positions under sniper fire, knocking them out on the ground, cheap and menacing ...
          1. Barberry25
            Barberry25 2 June 2021 22: 16
            0
            and what's the point in a "programmable fuse when the NAR is designed to detonate near the ground ... There are ALREADY contests ..
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 2 June 2021 22: 21
              +1
              and what's the point in the "programmable fuse when the NAR is designed to detonate near the ground.
              And this, when the bad guys sit behind the folds of the terrain and drive hot tea, that's where you need to blow up their turbans and cover them with a shrapnel stream! wink
              Again - 25, as I wrote, the price of the Competition will always be higher .. than a primitive MLRS, on the chassis of a local pickup truck, at all sorts of SSO-schnicks or PMC-schnicks, they arrived with a package, covered by location, with additional exploration from a cheap drone with a thermal imager aboard ... and then, already "sharp-sighted guys", with good optics completed it!
      2. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 2 June 2021 22: 18
        +2
        Quote: Intruder
        depending on what warhead and the level of thrust of the TTRD, it is used there.

        The scattering is too great. Instead of 2-3 missiles, you will need to spend 20-30 without a guaranteed result.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 4 June 2021 03: 32
          0
          Instead of 2-3 missiles, you will need to spend 20-30 without a guaranteed result.
          Okay, let's put a cheap radio fuse, but with a new element base, like: just modernize it a little so that the air blast occurs over the underlying surface !?
  6. APASUS
    APASUS 2 June 2021 12: 01
    +2
    as ammunition to use unguided aircraft missiles of the C-8 type of 80-mm caliber, taken as a basis.

    An interesting idea, but in my opinion not promising. Why didn’t shushpantsy on the basis of NAR become widespread?

    It's very simple. When a rocket is launched from an airplane, it is the initial velocity that gives the centering of the rocket. When launched from the ground, at least some accuracy is completely absent, a waste of missiles.
    1. Peak
      Peak 2 June 2021 12: 30
      +2
      Quote: APASUS
      An interesting idea, but in my opinion not promising. Why didn’t shushpantsy on the basis of NAR become widespread?

      It's very simple. When a rocket is launched from an airplane, it is the initial velocity that gives the centering of the rocket. When launched from the ground, at least some accuracy is completely absent, a waste of missiles.

      That's right, but with some refinement of the launcher, and specifically - lengthening the rails in comparison with the aviation "barrel", the required parameters of range, accuracy and accuracy are quite achievable.
      An analogy with the RS-82 and their legendary "land" version of the M-8 directly suggests itself.
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 2 June 2021 13: 39
      0
      When launched from the ground, at least some accuracy is completely absent, a waste of missiles.
      The alignment can be optimized for the ground, so there are no fundamental restrictions !? in large calibers MLRS, there is nothing .., somehow they start and at 40-60 km., okay !!! Here, either the developers need to be motivated, perhaps with state awards, or a harsh hint from above, to the manufacturer, about: "The Motherland must ..."! good
  7. Wedmak
    Wedmak 2 June 2021 12: 04
    +2
    If the chassis is wheeled, they can put on the Tiger, as well as the ATGM. The question is in the number of guides, so that it is not difficult, to fit into the dimensions (so that it does not retract inside?), Salvo power, work on 1-2-4 missiles, guidance system from the cockpit.
    As I suppose, there is nothing out of the ordinary. Perhaps even the Airborne Forces will give it ... just think about this airborne horror for the enemy ...
    1. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 2 June 2021 19: 51
      +4
      Quote: Wedmak
      Perhaps even the Airborne Forces will give it ... just think about this airborne horror for the enemy ...
      Already made MLRS for the Airborne Forces ...
      bm-21v
      BM-21V on the GAZ-66 chassis.
      There was even an experienced BM-21VD - the same for the Airborne Forces, but the BMD-1 chassis.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 3 June 2021 10: 38
        0
        Oh .. I didn't know about this, but here the system is heavier, still 122mm.
        1. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 3 June 2021 19: 26
          +1
          Quote: Wedmak
          Oh .. I didn't know about this, but here the system is heavier, still 122mm.
          Here RPU-14 was made in 1957, the same for the Airborne Forces
          rpu-14
          Caliber 140mm, there is also just BM-14-17
          bm-14-17
          Range up to 10 km.
          soldier
  8. Nikolay Dyaglev
    Nikolay Dyaglev 2 June 2021 12: 21
    0
    It's high time, in America for a long time they have been producing ground-based MLRS for their aviation RS. Mainly for export, but for the Airborne Forces, I think, it would be useful for us too, because there is almost nothing to develop, the rocket is already there, only the guides should be adapted for ground equipment
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 2 June 2021 13: 38
      +2
      Quote: Nikolay Dyagelev
      in America for a long time they have been producing ground-based MLRS for their aircraft RS.
      I don't think they do it ... There was a case ... In the last century, the Americans developed towed 70-mm MLRS for "someone" ... But this "someone", nevertheless, was not "interested"! In my opinion, there is currently no information that such MLRSs are produced and sent to someone in the USA ... (by the way, at the same time, a 50,8-mm MLRS was developed ... but I don't remember who ... caliber 50,8 , 70mm seems to be not American, but English ...). And so ... finally ... self-made XNUMX-mm MLRS are fighting here and there ...
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 2 June 2021 22: 26
        +2
        by the way, at the same time, a 50,8-mm MLRS was developed ... but I don't remember who ... the 50,8-mm caliber seems to be not American, but English ...
        Well, you can't understand the Britons, they have their own worms in their heads !? wink And so, the minimum is 65 mm., And a package of 20 to 40 pipes, fits into an armored car or a pickup truck with a body awning, with a primitive programmable timer and this cart went through the desert or into the woods to a position, and reconnaissance is already done with a quadric, up to 10 km., in the lung, only the "eye" of the thermal is already truncated! drinks good
  9. alex aircraft
    alex aircraft 2 June 2021 12: 49
    +2
    A typical cut of the budget. We take block b 8, put on the base an armored personnel carrier / BMP / truck-MLRS gotoa. As many do, but in Chechnya the Urals flashed with b 8. but pass it off as a new MLRS-bullshit!
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 2 June 2021 13: 52
      -1
      A typical cut of the budget. We take block b 8, put on the base an armored personnel carrier / BMP / truck-MLRS gotoa. As many do, but in Chechnya the Urals flashed with b 8. but pass it off as a new MLRS-bullshit!
      Warehouses need to be freed from ammunition from the still Soviet legacy, so the Ministry of Defense has combed out, plus to master the budget on the sly - a brilliant idea !!!
  10. zwlad
    zwlad 2 June 2021 14: 29
    0
    Serial production of the new light 80-mm MLRS is scheduled to begin in 2024.

    Why goat button accordion?
  11. uav80
    uav80 2 June 2021 15: 11
    +1
    Back in 2018, OA Zaslon presented the 9-A-5013 "Sel" cassette modular design ...




    1. Nikolay Dyaglev
      Nikolay Dyaglev 2 June 2021 16: 31
      +1
      Cool little thing turned out winked
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 2 June 2021 23: 27
        +1
        See also the Polish Daisy.
        1. Nikolay Dyaglev
          Nikolay Dyaglev 3 June 2021 23: 43
          +1
          Her, Margarita is some kind of shitty, a military self-propelled gun reminds))
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 4 June 2021 07: 13
            -1
            But at the same time, she seems to have pumped brains. The sight is smart.
  12. Izotovp
    Izotovp 2 June 2021 18: 00
    +1
    That is, we repeat after the spirits again? When they put a helicopter launch container with NURS on pickups.
    1. Barberry25
      Barberry25 2 June 2021 20: 30
      +1
      And why not? Experience he and in Africa experience ... will not receive wide distribution ... maximum forces of the MTR will be interested, the mountainous parts ... well, in the most kosher version as a particularly cheap mobile reserve BTG..4-6 launchers based on Patriots for example , 2 trucks with ammunition, 1 technician + 1 control vehicle. Each vehicle contains 2 soldiers ... that's what it turns out that 20 soldiers, and the firepower of 240 NARs per salvo ... as mobile launch systems, especially when automating targeting and referencing very will be kosher
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 4 June 2021 03: 37
        +1
        4-6 launchers based on Patriots, for example, 2 trucks with ammunition, 1 technician + 1 control vehicle. As part of each vehicle there are 2 soldiers ... that's what it turns out that 20 soldiers, and firepower for 240 NARs per volley .. as mobile launch systems , especially when automating targeting and snapping, it will be very kosher
        Two slave complexes, such as: ground-based RTKs on psaltery, plus a control machine with a central control unit and 2 transport-charging vehicles, all in floating versions ... and you can proudly report to the Supreme Commander about the new intellectual version of the MLRS, in the old caliber !!!
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 4 June 2021 14: 52
          0
          laughing Why do you need it floating?) Let the chassis be made first, and then they want to put it there .. now the task is to make it cheap and cheerful.
  13. czes
    czes 2 June 2021 22: 53
    0
    More and more developments in the future.
  14. mlad
    mlad 3 June 2021 07: 42
    +2
    They have been developing the guides to the car for several years, but the barmaley do it in a week, the longer, the more dough will be removed.
  15. CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz 3 June 2021 15: 15
    0
    I don’t see much sense.
    At worst, for the Airborne Forces and the upper parts.
    Or the C8 will be controlled. This gives some meaning.