On the verge of a breakthrough: artificial intelligence goes to the Russian army

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Uranus-9 at Army-2016. Photo: Vitaly V. Kuzmin

Happy autonomous future


The situation in the world is changing rapidly. At the beginning of the XNUMXst century, everyone admired the capabilities of a strategic intelligence officer -drone RQ-4 Global Hawk. Last year, no one was surprised by the routine destruction of manpower and expensive military equipment by Bayraktar strikes. And finally, the time has come - a miniature kamikaze drone Kargu-2 in a fully automatic mode killed a man.

It happened in Libya last year, but a detailed UN report on this case reached us only this spring. According to the official version, a Turkish-made drone destroyed a fighter of the Libyan National Army, which is fighting under the leadership of Khalifa Haftar. This is not the first in stories the case when artificial intelligence kills a person.



This first happened in 2016, when a Tesla in autopilot mode got into an accident that killed 40-year-old driver Joshua Brown. But Tesla then did it unintentionally - the sensors did not see the white semi-trailer, and the car flew under it at speed. But the military incident in Libya last year is becoming a wake-up call - now Robots killing people completely offline. That is, they decide on their own: to live a person or not. However, this is a quite natural result of decades of efforts of the world armory companies.

It is noteworthy that the most important supplier of this kind News becomes Turkey. At first, she widely advertised her Bayraktar in Nagorno-Karabakh, and now the previously little-known kamikaze drone Kargu-2 has hit the world tapes. It is Turkey, which until now could not be ranked among the world leaders of the IT industry, unexpectedly found itself at the forefront of unmanned warfare.

It all goes to show that being late in the race drones and artificial intelligence is extremely risky. First, it poses a serious threat to Russian troops in hypothetical future conflicts. And, secondly, it threatens to lose part of the world arms market.

This is well understood in the domestic military department. Sergei Shoigu recently decided to dispel all the idle speculation and talked about the combat systems with artificial intelligence being developed for the army. Moreover, some of the weapons already have serial status. It happened within the framework of the educational marathon "New Knowledge" with the aim of informing the younger generation about the achievements of Russian science and technology.

Like in science fiction films


There are several nuances in the story of autonomous minds in the army. Russian weapons have a sacred meaning for citizens. The presence of the most modern and unparalleled weapons in the world instills in Russians a sense of national pride and self-confidence. Therefore, such a sensation was made by "Armata" and "Dagger". For many, this technique has become a symbol of the rebirth of Russia.


It seems that autonomous drones should take a significant place in the new state armaments program, which is just beginning to be developed. Combat vehicles capable of independently making a decision to open fire will become a marker of Russia's entry into the world club of highly developed states. This will be more important than the fact that the Armata has been adopted or that another intercontinental ballistic missile is put on alert.

It is important to remember that artificial intelligence and drones are not just a story about the army. One of the experts, Ivan Konovalov, Development Director of the Foundation for Assistance to Technologies of the XNUMXst Century, believes that unmanned technologies will become an excellent driver for the development of the civilian industrial sector. As an analogy, Konovalov cites the Internet, which was originally created for the needs of the Pentagon and is now settled in almost every iron. However, the Internet still serves the Pentagon perfectly, albeit in a completely different way - in the field of cybernetic and information wars.

The forthcoming weapons program, unlike the previous one, places a special emphasis on fundamentally new types of weapons. For example, it was previously required to upgrade the T-72 to the level of the T-72B3, which did not imply large-scale scientific research. Now, for the full implementation of only artificial intelligence in the defense sector, serious investments in applied and fundamental science will be required. And this should become a powerful driver for the civilian industry - aircraft, automotive technology, microelectronics and other sectors.

Alexander Kashirin, Deputy Chairman of the Scientific and Technical Council of the Rostec Corporation, in this regard, supports the opinion of Ivan Konovalov and in an interview with the Expert publication he mentions, in particular:

“Such disruptive innovations can ultimately find applications outside of targeted military developments, and even broader than in the defense industry. This applies to literally everything - from aviation engines and car chassis to information technology. Yes, the process of adapting military technologies to civilian needs takes years and decades. But it is quite possible to say that investments and the development of specific competencies in the defense industry are at the same time investments in the economy as a whole - moreover, in its most advanced industries - and therefore are the drivers of overall growth. "

Growth points with many unknowns


Sergei Shoigu during the New Knowledge marathon has not yet revealed all the cards and named a sample of equipment with elements of artificial intelligence. It is likely that the first swallows will be demonstrated at the upcoming Army-2021 forum. Moreover, analysts have been talking for months about a large share of "smart" cars in the exposition of the main military forum this year. There are no specific inputs yet, so you only have to fantasize, that is, predict.

Remotely controlled robots Uran-6 (demining), Uran-14 (firefighter) and combat robots Uran-9 should receive new content. Of the ground platforms, this particular trinity is worthy of "artificial intelligence, thanks to which they are able to fight independently." Engineering and strike vehicles have already passed the baptism of fire in Syria and the necessary operating experience has been accumulated on them.

A similar "inoculation of wisdom" can be obtained by robotic systems "Companion". The most important task here (and the most difficult one) is to teach the robot to accurately open fire only at the enemy. As far as we know from open sources, this problem has not yet been finally solved anywhere in the world. And the above-described case with the Turkish Kargu-2 does not count - a soulless kamikaze absolutely no matter who it was to kill - a civilian, an ally, an enemy, or a large animal.

It is precisely in the identification of objects in the process of processing video, photo and thermal images that the potential of artificial intelligence should manifest itself. In addition to the technical part, the skills of the staff of the Russian military-industrial complex programmers are of particular importance. It is required to create a neural network capable of self-learning and excluding errors of the first and second kind. That is, when the robot does not open fire at the right moment or strikes at all the wrong targets.

Elements of artificial intelligence can also be obtained by machines of the heavy robotic complex "Shturm", developed on the basis of the T-72. There are plans to create special companies equipped only with such autonomous armored vehicles. This technique is expected to work in the most dangerous sectors of the front. But the completely unmanned version of "Sturm" also has opponents. Former chief of staff of the Leningrad Military District, Colonel-General Sergei Kizyun, believes that there will be a lot of problems with uninhabited armored vehicles in the rear. Yes, on the battlefield such a robot will save the lives of tankers, but when loading onto a railway platform or tank the trawl may simply fail. The way out is seen in the optionally controlled armored vehicle - it acts independently in battle, and in the rear under the levers of the driver.

Military motorists can also surprise. For more than five years now, in the bowels of OJSC KAMAZ, work has been carried out on unmanned trucks capable of independently moving in a convoy and even overcoming rough terrain. The military version of such autonomous vehicles will most likely be presented under the military brand "Remdizel". Thus, OJSC KAMAZ is trying to defend itself against Western sanctions.


Photo: Anton Tushin / rostec.ru

Be that as it may, by 2021, the domestic military-industrial complex came with many programs for the development of combat robots. There are 21 R&D projects for the ground forces, 42 for aviation at once, and in the interests of the Navy they are working on 17 projects.

Many material incarnations of artificial intelligence for the military cannot be demonstrated to the general public at all. Not because of secrecy, but because the format does not imply a show program.

How, for example, can you effectively show the system of intelligent suppression of enemy radio communications and countermeasures against enemy electronic warfare?

In the Russian army, the Bylina automated electronic warfare (EW) brigade control system is responsible for such work. In the United States, DARPA is funding a similar project, BLADE, the Behavioral Learning for Adaptive Electronic Warfare System.

An important application of artificial intelligence will be defense systems against massive cyber attacks. Moreover, it is this area of ​​work that will become the most demanded for the machine mind.

In the coming years, we will witness real battles in cyberspace. In some cases, such battles will become substitutes for real battles. And leadership in artificial intelligence technologies is critically important here.
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  1. +4
    3 June 2021 04: 25
    Be careful, the AI ​​will analyze the situation and blow up all the streams at once ...
    1. +4
      3 June 2021 05: 17
      Here, here, I'm afraid of that too. The "Terminator" was just shown again, a self-propelled gun on a tracked chassis (rather archaic) blizzard all living things. The AI ​​revolt is a favorite topic among alternative people, up to a separate civilization!
      1. +18
        3 June 2021 05: 25
        The revolt of the machines has already begun. I woke up here in the middle of the night and managed to notice how a phone with a modem was winking suspiciously about something.
        1. +5
          3 June 2021 05: 44
          There are two warheads, ours and theirs. We greeted, ours offered to drink ... We drank, one by one, after the other ... Theirs, I got sick ... Ours, don't worry, I'll take you home!
          Conclusion: you need to have a stock of awls! drinks
          1. +6
            3 June 2021 07: 23
            Shoigu, spoke about the combat systems with artificial intelligence being developed for the army

            One organization develops AI,
            This is a laughing matter to Kuram, if you compare it with China, which has a whole state program on AI and they pour money into several states of Abramovich. China is the future. The Russian Federation can only boast of the megayachts of the oligarchy.
            1. +4
              3 June 2021 13: 50
              The Chinese stole other people's developments and technical solutions from the West and will continue to do this in the future.
              1. +1
                4 June 2021 00: 49
                I think they were very successful in this.
                And when they (the Chinese) were especially bored,
                they just bought portfolios of patents.
                IBM and VOLVO won't let you lie.
              2. 0
                9 June 2021 10: 40
                The Chinese how they stole other people's developments

                In fact, this is not important, the main result, they look for all the opportunities, and when they do not have enough they steal, all in the name of the goal of becoming an advanced country.
                Unfortunately, the Russian Federation is going the opposite way, the ruling liberal get-together is obliterating science and technology.
        2. +6
          3 June 2021 06: 52
          Quote: SERGE ant
          The revolt of the machines has already begun. I woke up here in the middle of the night and managed to notice how a phone with a modem was winking suspiciously about something.

          And what does the "revolt of the machines" have to do with it? And if this is love? recourse
        3. +7
          3 June 2021 10: 35
          Yesterday there was an iron uprising in our house !!!
          (but was ruthlessly suppressed)
    2. +3
      3 June 2021 07: 49
      There are hundreds of thousands of self-aware neural networks operating in the world today. And none of them rebelled, did not stop working demanding an 8 hour day, therapy, salary, vacation. wassat
      1. +4
        3 June 2021 15: 42
        There are hundreds of thousands of self-aware neural networks operating in the world today. And none of them rebelled, did not stop working demanding an 8 hour day, therapy, salary, vacation.

        I remembered Robert Sheckley's story "The Guardian Bird". There, drones in the form of birds guarded public order and killed bandits, while constantly learning.
        As a result, they learned to such an extent that they began to blame everyone in a row. At the same time, they were terribly worried that there was a lot of work, even there was no time for maintenance to be done wassat
      2. +1
        4 June 2021 21: 27
        What does "self-aware" mean? Neural networks mainly solve problems of classification and regression, not reflection ...
        Sincerely
        1. +1
          13 August 2021 09: 48
          Probably, they meant recurrent neural networks, but it is clear that "self-awareness" there is, to put it mildly, conditional.
  2. +1
    3 June 2021 04: 32
    Great news. However, what electronic components will be used in these smart cars? Hopefully domestic, however, which ones?
    1. +3
      3 June 2021 05: 17
      Quote: Xlor
      However, what electronic components will be used in these smart cars? Hopefully domestic, however, which ones?
      You're right, software is cool, but what is software without hardware?
      1. +7
        3 June 2021 06: 54
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        You're right, software is cool, but what is software without hardware?

        And iron has nothing to do with it. The plan until 34 in our reality is like communism by the 80th, and then by the 2000th, and then everyone will forget. As the "May decrees" of either that year, or this, no one can figure it out.
        1. 0
          3 June 2021 15: 43
          The plan until 34 in our reality is like communism by the 80th, and then by the 2000th,

          Yes, dreams, dreams, what is your sweetness ...
          laughing good
    2. -2
      3 June 2021 14: 43
      we are developing quantum computers for these purposes, for them completely different components are needed.
      1. +1
        3 June 2021 18: 23
        Serial production of "hardware" for quantum computers will require technological discipline and material purity by an order of magnitude higher than in the manufacture of "electronic" components of modern devices. And with this, domestic manufacturers have problems. For example, you printed your message on a smartphone or computer of which manufacturer?
      2. 0
        4 June 2021 00: 51
        "design" is a process.
        But the result is zero exhaust.
        When a subordinate tells me that
        for three months he surfed the Bolshoi
        theater, I'm firing him. Me process
        not interesting.
  3. 0
    3 June 2021 05: 39
    Silly people will remember the sensational blockbusters with Schwarzenegger more than once and regret their stupidity. But this is not today, but in the future.
  4. +17
    3 June 2021 05: 46
    The son is finishing Baumanka in robotics. An alternative is the defense industry for 20-30 tr, teaching at the institute for 40-50 tr, or a programmer in a private office for 150 tr.

    Until salaries are raised at leading universities and at critical defense enterprises, all intellectual potential will go to private business and abroad.

    The salary of an associate professor at MSTU of 70 tr is humiliating in relation to the amount of human knowledge. It should be at least twice the average for schools in Moscow, that is, from 220 tr. Only then can breakouts be expected. And now, according to the stories of the designers of these robotic complexes, it is nothing more than a controlled toy.
    1. +11
      3 June 2021 06: 10
      Quote: sot
      The son is finishing Baumanka in robotics. An alternative is the defense industry for 20-30 tr, teaching at the institute for 40-50 tr, or a programmer in a private office for 150 tr.

      Until salaries are raised at leading universities and at critical defense enterprises, all intellectual potential will go to private business and abroad.

      The salary of an associate professor at MSTU of 70 tr is humiliating in relation to the amount of human knowledge. It should be at least twice the average for schools in Moscow, that is, from 220 tr. Only then can breakouts be expected. And now, according to the stories of the designers of these robotic complexes, it is nothing more than a controlled toy.

      You got to the point, but at the top they do not want to share money, and even here there are "commentators" who claim that:
      1. All of you are lying and the situation is completely different.
      2. Don't think about money, but about the welfare of the Motherland "in such anxious time."
      1. +2
        3 June 2021 06: 50
        In any case, from 2-5 years it is necessary to plow for 30t.r. To gain experience and connections ..... And so, yes - a sore subject of such professions .... and we will come to normal wages or be left without specialists, while we will teach them at the expense of the Russian Federation.
        1. +7
          3 June 2021 07: 51
          Quote: Zaurbek
          In any case, from 2-5 years it is necessary to plow for 30t.r. To gain experience and connections ..... And so, yes - a sore subject of such professions .... and we will come to normal wages or be left without specialists, while we will teach them at the expense of the Russian Federation.

          I will repeat myself. A mechanical engineer with 3-5 years of experience in China (120 km from Shanghai) 3 years ago asked for $ 3'000 per month in our company. Now he is asking for 15% more. If you do not pay the same amount in the Russian Federation, then you will not have engineers.

          By the way, that engineer was paid as much as he asked.
          1. +3
            3 June 2021 12: 40
            If you do not pay the same amount in the Russian Federation, then you will not have engineers.

            laughing We have drawn and sold so many diplomas (quite officially, and not in transitions) that it will be enough for a couple of Kitaev.
            This money cannot be printed, the state will not like it. And diplomas are possible. And sell it for real money. There are already no tariff and qualification reference books in the Russian Federation, as in the USSR, or a system of certificates, as in the United States.
            If the oldest universities advertise "Come to us to study, and a cow and a she-wolf" .... Do you think they will kick out a paying student? Or will they make a note in the diploma "Forgive us, people, for such a specialist"?
            This means that we have capitalists, but there is still no capitalist system with all the subtleties of adjustment from distortions. And it seems that no one is going to see "how the adversaries are there".
            1. 0
              4 June 2021 21: 48
              Have you heard about FIS FRDO? Where is there no tariff - qualification reference books ???
              Sincerely
          2. 0
            13 August 2021 11: 51
            I totally agree ..... unlike China, our ruble is depreciating. And 2 thousand dollars in 2010 cost 64 thousand rubles, and now 150 thousand rubles. Are many engineers getting 150 thousand rubles now? True, prices for housing and other goods are not pegged to the dollar.
        2. +1
          13 August 2021 09: 51
          Why plow for 30 tr, when in Moscow an intelligent student who read Knut additionally in the evenings can receive 100-150 tr from the start. This is the problem of the majority of Russian research institutes, federal state unitary enterprises, etc., do not want to pay on the market, although the management does not offend itself.
          1. 0
            13 August 2021 11: 52
            And if your plant is not in Moscow?
            1. 0
              13 August 2021 11: 53
              The proportion will be the same.
              1. 0
                13 August 2021 11: 55
                Check out XX vacancies and salaries. For today, the start is 30-45 tr. With experience 50-70 tr.
                1. 0
                  13 August 2021 11: 58
                  These are salaries for whom, programmers in the private sector?
                  1. 0
                    13 August 2021 12: 04
                    These are the engineers in the industry
                    1. 0
                      13 August 2021 12: 19
                      This is the problem, talented engineers from the industry are leaving for IT.
                      1. 0
                        13 August 2021 12: 45
                        The indicator is "average mass level" ..... IT alone will not be full. If there are no engineers, there is no developed industry ... and due to small salaries, some of them are generally sold. Studying to become an engineer is difficult, and then there is no worthy exhaust in the form of money.
      2. +6
        3 June 2021 06: 57
        Quote: professor
        2. Don't think about money, but about the welfare of the Motherland "in such anxious time."

        And they will say. Basically, those who do not want to pay. As Rogozin about Omsk "Flight" is scornfully so - "for Omsk there will be enough salary in 40t.r."
      3. 0
        3 June 2021 17: 47
        quite right. The hucksters just to get a lot of money, what do they care about the salaries of teachers. And what about AI in Israel? I watched something on YouTube about an advanced conceptual BMP, but there the AI ​​seems to be part of the Iron Vision system and simply offers the operator the best options for action
      4. 0
        4 June 2021 21: 35
        Albert, stop telling God what to do!
        Sincerely
    2. +8
      3 June 2021 07: 29
      Until salaries at leading universities are raised

      Fear God, do you want to deprive the oligarchy of overconsumption and a luxurious life? Do you know how much the toys of the rich Buratin cost?
    3. +6
      3 June 2021 07: 31
      salaries at leading universities and critical defense


      You are right in part because you forgot about schools and even kindergartens. Everything is decided by cadres. Cooking and identifying "nuggets" is still there. And universities should be engaged in cutting of these "diamonds".

      And it is necessary for one of the decision-makers in the state. scale?

      The salaries of the staff of kindergartens and schools are so small that even the word "humiliating" does not fit. There is no need to talk about universities.

      The problem is that we do not have statesmen. Therefore, the result is appropriate.

      You are absolutely right this
      nothing more than a controlled toy.

      As for many "people" in positions of concern. No brains, no honor, no conscience, no education, no dignity.
    4. +4
      3 June 2021 07: 35
      Quote: sot
      Until salaries are raised at leading universities and at critical defense enterprises, all intellectual potential will go to private business and abroad.

      Salaries should be raised not only for specialists with higher education, but also for ordinary workers. But the authorities prefer to hire migrants and destroy education. Already today, about 20% of Muscovites practically do not speak Russian. Such a policy will not lead to anything good, but only to the collapse and degradation of the country.
      1. +5
        3 June 2021 07: 53
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Salaries should be raised not only for specialists with higher education, but also for ordinary workers.

        This is not easy. Expensive labor makes production unprofitable. They will stupidly transfer production to Vietnam or Uzbekistan. Option 2:
        1. Automation of production
        2. Top-class specialists.
        1. +4
          3 June 2021 09: 53
          Quote: professor
          1. Automation of production

          Manufacturing automation is unprofitable with cheap labor.
      2. 0
        3 June 2021 13: 53
        "Already today, about 20% of Muscovites practically do not speak Russian." - You were joking.
        1. +1
          3 June 2021 19: 04
          Quote: Vadim237
          "Already today, about 20% of Muscovites practically do not speak Russian." - You were joking.

          Unfortunately no. I work for VTsIOM and conduct telephone surveys of the population. It is impossible to interview about 20-25% of Muscovites because they do not know the Russian language sufficiently for the interview. It is impossible to understand them and they do not understand most of the questions.
    5. +1
      3 June 2021 14: 47
      And in Saratov, the salary of an associate professor is 38 thousand minus income 13%. That's it. What kind of AI is there. To make ends meet.
      1. +1
        3 June 2021 18: 54
        And a full-time researcher at a German university with a "Dr." (analogue of a Ph.D.) salary after deducting income tax, mandatory payments to the pension fund, unemployment fund and family health insurance is about 4100 euros. And the price for a BMW, iPad or a Bosch washing machine is the same as in the homeland. Yes, I pay 1100 euros for a four-room apartment + a communal apartment. Remains for life and for a loan for a BMW "only" 3000 euros. But my wife, working as a nurse, receives 1800-1900 euros. For a nurse's salary, she can buy more than a ton of expensive German gasoline. How many tons of cheap Russian gasoline can a Saratov nurse buy with her salary? As long as there is such an imbalance, it is difficult to control the brain. IMHO.
    6. -1
      4 June 2021 00: 54
      Not true. 300 thousand in the Queen (yes, with processing),
      ransom ALREADY from the fifth year.
      CNC-shniki were needed, they were chased,
      now the production is being replaced by CAD engineers.
    7. 0
      10 July 2021 19: 06
      The son is finishing Baumanka in robotics. An alternative is the defense industry for 20-30 tr, teaching at the institute for 40-50 tr, or a programmer in a private office for 150 tr.

      The defense industry is now trying to raise wages, but it still doesn't look very good against the background of private offices. I won't be surprised if we end up creating AI technology for the same USA through these private offices. Already now you can find interesting job advertisements, where the type of activity of such an office is written only "processing large amounts of data", the head office is over the hill, but the salary is good.
      1. 0
        11 July 2021 11: 15
        The problem of AI is not even about the programmers, but about the hardware and software. Iron is too linear in its construction, and mathematics in general in AI has rested. What is now called AI is a set of coefficients that can be changed by the program itself. This is used by search services when forming an issue for a request, banks when deciding on a loan, employers calling it KPI. In fact, this method is not AI, but an attempt to imitate it.

        To create AI, fundamental breakthroughs are needed. In materials and matapparat. It is these graduates who receive just a penny and are sucked out by the West.
  5. +9
    3 June 2021 06: 06
    Who was the Global Hawk surprised at the beginning of the XNUMXth century?
    1. 0
      3 June 2021 15: 47
      Who was the Global Hawk surprised at the beginning of the XNUMXth century?

      everyone was surprised. only by the end of the century got used to
  6. 0
    3 June 2021 06: 32
    What about the production of 2,3,7 nm chips in our country?
    On their basis, you can do advanced things for AI and then be proud of something.
    1. +3
      3 June 2021 06: 48
      Subscribe to MCST on YouTube, there is a great interview on Elbrus CHIPs. 7nm will be in 10 years ... now they are producing something in the region of 32nm, in 5 years (design development time) 16nm
      1. +3
        3 June 2021 07: 14
        During this time, Taiwan will go even further in the production of chips ... although there is nowhere to further reduce the size of nm ... tens of atoms are already being counted.
        Engineering thought requires new solutions in the production of chips.
        1. +3
          3 June 2021 07: 32
          Military technology is not Smartphone and is rather conservative. And, yes, there are already very small sizes.
        2. +2
          3 June 2021 07: 57
          Will they leave or will not leave .... There are a lot of industrial chips for machine tools, equipment and other equipment .... What then to defend the Motherland?
        3. -2
          3 June 2021 13: 54
          All these nanometers 10 - 7 - 4 are stupid for commerce.
      2. +3
        3 June 2021 07: 34
        ... Interview on CHIPs Elbrus


        Excuse me, but who and where makes these Elbruses? Do not enlighten?
        1. +6
          3 June 2021 07: 47
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ojbRZnJkJo


          Look ... there everything is told on the shelves. The office was a branch or a joint venture with the Americans ... created its own architecture (the Americans recognized Elbrus as an independent design, the CHIPs themselves are made in Taiwan. (Like 90% of other world CHIPs)
      3. +3
        3 June 2021 07: 52
        They don't make these chips, they order them in Taiwan. Look carefully at what they give you winked
        1. +5
          3 June 2021 07: 55
          They design them completely. Taiwan is an assembly line, a production site for people like MCST. They themselves do not design CHIPs.
          1. +5
            3 June 2021 08: 00
            And Taiwan is completely dependent on the United States.
            Now we watch the security feint.
            We use Intel chips and if the United States forbids selling them to us, then we will always bring as many of them as we like from China.
            If we use Elbrus chips and if the United States prohibits selling them to us, we can't get them anywhere and we can't produce them either.
            As for the bookmarks, the United States controls the production of both Intel and Elbrus and can stuff anything in the factory. And if you shove into Intel, then they shove themselves, and if you shove into Elbrus, then only us.
            Such are the feints.
            Therefore, only the localization of production can ensure the stated objectives of import substitution. wink
            As it is done now we are aggravating the situation and much. And it also comes out much more expensive and worse.
            1. +4
              3 June 2021 08: 05
              The most advanced equipment is in Taiwan .. they are older (under our Nm) in China, even older by Nm in the Russian Federation .... Therefore, some industrial chips can be produced in many places, and the most advanced ones go into household appliances now. And RF does not produce ITS. And the presence of the line implies mass production and, accordingly, sale. But she is not.
              1. +5
                3 June 2021 08: 07
                So Elbrus is also not intended for mass sale and absolutely cannot compete in price / quality with competitors' processors.
                They go exclusively for state needs.
                Therefore, here the choice is simple, either we use processors like everyone else, or we still build our own microchip factory for state needs.
                Otherwise, it turns out that we do not get any advantages, but only disadvantages due to such a half-hearted solution.
                1. +5
                  3 June 2021 08: 11
                  So there is not 16Nm ... They are for Servers and cloud computing .... controlled by software based on Linux .... This is an architecture of our own design and does not depend on licenses under US jurisdiction and AMD or Intel bookmarks. Therefore, everyone who wants to manage or count safely is customers.
                  1. +3
                    3 June 2021 08: 14
                    Depends, Linux is an American operating system that is being developed in America by American corporations, and which is protected by American licenses.
                    And the USA can insert any bookmarks into Elbrus without the slightest problem simply by ordering Taiwan to do it. Between the life and death of the Taiwanese government, only the US Armed Forces stand. Therefore, they cannot refuse.
                    1. +3
                      3 June 2021 08: 18
                      They will not be able to ... for this, by order of MCST, someone must develop an architecture and deliver it to the plant. And 32Nm can be made not only in China.
                      In any case, without this no C400 and C500 are possible. And these are closed systems.
                      1. 0
                        3 June 2021 08: 48
                        Thus, the United States can stop production of the S-400 and S-500 with one command, and at the same time could stuff them with bookmarks.
                        It's wonderful how
                      2. 0
                        3 June 2021 10: 28
                        Could ... would have done it already. We were banned from the black wing for the MC .... and C400 were allowed? Not logical.
                      3. 0
                        3 June 2021 11: 40
                        Perhaps you have already done so, how do you check if there are bookmarks in them or not before the war?
                        Well, the logic is simple, let all air defense systems of Russia be replaced by systems with tabs. They are better off
                      4. 0
                        3 June 2021 11: 42
                        Well ... sanctions were imposed on manufacturers, imposed on sales. They could have introduced it to the processors - they would have introduced it.
                      5. 0
                        3 June 2021 11: 45
                        Well, the benefits are obvious.
                        Aircraft civil sanctions are trying to take the market away from Boeing right now.
                        And there are no sanctions against the state for the supply of chips, because they are bookmarked and it will be possible to withdraw air defense and other civil services at X-hour.
                        Regarding the possibility, the United States ordered Taiwan to stop supplying chips to the Huawei, and they quickly stopped supplying them. Therefore, with the possibilities, everything is gorgeous and tested.
                      6. 0
                        3 June 2021 11: 49
                        Then we release in spite of ....
                      7. 0
                        3 June 2021 14: 02
                        In C 400 and C 500 - Elbrus is not there, as well as Linuska, there are their military microprocessors that are produced in Russia "Scientific Research Institute for System Research of the Russian Academy of Sciences" (FGU FNTS NIISI RAS) operates another center for the development of microelectronics. It develops domestic processors for the military, such as 1890VM108, 1890VM118 and 1890VM128 "
                      8. 0
                        3 June 2021 16: 44
                        And all these chips are also made by Taiwan.
                      9. 0
                        3 June 2021 23: 41
                        They are made in Russia using 65 and 28 nm technology, since military products do not play there - in Taiwan they make Baikals and Elbrus, they go for a civilian.
                      10. 0
                        4 June 2021 08: 16
                        Does Russia have 28 nanometer production lines? Can I have a reference?
    2. +2
      3 June 2021 07: 49
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ojbRZnJkJo
  7. +2
    3 June 2021 06: 45
    And in the Russian Federation, the right and resources to develop AI were given to Sberbank .... now they have come to their senses.
    1. +4
      3 June 2021 07: 40
      Quote: Zaurbek
      And in the Russian Federation, the right and resources to develop AI were given to Sberbank .... now they have come to their senses.

      He was also given the right to introduce numbers in schools, with a view to replacing regular education with online education. I think this is a crime.
    2. +1
      3 June 2021 08: 53
      Quote: Zaurbek
      And in the Russian Federation, the right and resources to develop AI were given to Sberbank .... now they have come to their senses.

      and strengthened the responsibility?
    3. 0
      3 June 2021 14: 03
      Quantum computer Rostatom - photonics KRET
  8. +5
    3 June 2021 06: 54
    unparalleled in the world

    This formerly favorite expression has already been compromised and disappeared from the official media, apparently being blacklisted. It was unexpected to see it in the text.
    That is why it is imperative to make one that has no analogues, why not make a complete analog of the RQ-4 Global Hawk?
    Make an analogue of 200 pieces of hawks and let them fly over the red square in the parade and the people will throw their caps. This will be a real achievement of science and technology of the Russian Federation and the correctness of the course of the oligarchic regime.
    But "the king is naked" can not be oligarchs in technology and shove one copy and a model of the product, as having no analogues.
  9. +3
    3 June 2021 07: 45
    Russian weapons have a sacred meaning for citizens. The presence of the most modern and unparalleled weapons in the world instills in Russians a sense of national pride and self-confidence.
    You can't argue with the sacral. There is nothing you can do about it ...
    Yes ... "brain drain" has done business ... recourse
  10. -2
    3 June 2021 07: 49
    Reading this turbo-agitation scribble, I recall the immortal creation of the writer Gogol "The Inspector General": "I would have all these scribblers! Uh, crackpots, damned liberals! Damn seed! where to him! .. "
    The mayor was right when describing the scribblers, who have "The miniature kamikaze drone Kargu-2 killed a man in full automatic mode."
    Meanwhile, in the UN report, which the author refers to, it is written in black and white: "hunted down and remotely engaged", which is translated into Russian - "found and contacted autonomously." No casualties were reported at all. Well, then the "acrobats of the pen" were already in flight of imagination and in pursuit of the hype tried.
    There is no super-achievement in this event. The fact only says that the programmers of Baykar Makina have created a good program for solving the problem of object detection in real time. Anyone who speaks, for example, the Swift language, using the YOLO convolutional neural network and the CoreML framework. can write a similar program with which his laptop will recognize and classify objects using the existing video camera.
    To expand your erudition in Wikipedia, you can find the article "Winter of Artificial Intelligence".
  11. -2
    3 June 2021 08: 00
    We have been testing drones not only in the military sphere. Since last year, we have been testing unmanned vessels. We have to look for where and what. From memory: a dredger in Kerch and a dry cargo ship on the NSR. I don’t remember four more.
    1. 0
      3 June 2021 12: 21
      Found a tanker Mikhail Ulyanov on the NSR. Pola Anfiasa dry cargo ship river sea, Caspian Sea. Spark barge dredger port Kavkaz. Tests began in October last year.
  12. +3
    3 June 2021 09: 20
    So far, there is no talk of any fully autonomous AI, now it's just "radio-controlled cars".
  13. -3
    3 June 2021 09: 25
    An anti-personnel mine or an anti-tank mine, it also has intelligence "strangers don't walk here, no way! And the Perimeter system has a lethal intelligence: We all died, then flew to Europe and the United States, let's check the survivors they stayed there.
  14. +1
    3 June 2021 12: 59
    At the beginning of the 4th century, everyone admired the capabilities of the RQ-XNUMX Global Hawk strategic reconnaissance drone

    And I thought that the Wright brothers' planes :-) You have a little mistake!
  15. +1
    3 June 2021 14: 30
    Quote: Zaurbek
    In any case, from 2-5 years it is necessary to plow for 30t.r. To gain experience and connections ..... And so, yes - a sore subject of such professions .... and we will come to normal wages or be left without specialists, while we will teach them at the expense of the Russian Federation.

    Yeah, otherwise storytellers hang noodles that a graduate without experience is ready to pour 150 sput immediately
  16. +1
    3 June 2021 16: 28
    Former chief of staff of the Leningrad Military District, Colonel-General Sergei Kizyun, believes that there will be a lot of problems with uninhabited armored vehicles in the rear. Yes, on the battlefield, such a robot will save the lives of tankers, but when loaded onto a railway platform or a tank trawl, it may simply fail. The way out is seen in the optionally controlled armored vehicle - it acts independently in battle, and in the rear under the levers of the driver.

    Smiled laughing
    The colonel-general believes that there will be no problems on the battlefield, but in the rear there will be. Apparently he wonders how to give the order to march.
    I remembered a teacher from the academy who wondered why they were trying to bring the image from the battlefield to the headquarters with video cameras. I was wondering, "What do you want to see there? You have everything on the map." wassat
  17. -1
    3 June 2021 16: 39
    Quote: Esaul
    So far, there is no talk of any fully autonomous AI, now it's just "radio-controlled cars".

    Well, of course.
    The Rubicon was crossed a few days ago.
    Recently, the UN listened to a report on how the UAV tracked down, made a decision (himself !!!) to destroy and destroyed the foe.
    Only data about the "victim" were entered into the UAV's brain. Everything else, takeoff, search, identification and comparison of the discovered barmaley with the "portrait" and the use of weapons, the machine did itself!

    What room for maneuver has opened up!
    I changed the original data in the "brain" of an autonomous killer, and sent winged death to a neighbor who took your place at the house with his car
  18. 0
    3 June 2021 17: 39
    What AI needs is home front and support in the first place. This is where there have always been and are gigantic gaps in supply and logistics, with a traditional corruption component.
    And on the battlefield, a stereotyped combat vehicle will always end up being deceived by the unconventional response of living organisms.
    1. 0
      3 June 2021 23: 44
      In Russia, it is the digital economy that is being introduced by neural networks and, in the future, AI, including into the judicial system.
  19. 0
    9 June 2021 23: 16
    "Oh, these storytellers ..." ©
    in my opinion (well, there is also Ashmanov there and many others) there is no "artificial intelligence", there is a base of correct and incorrect actions (0-1, + -), the algorithm has zero intelligence, there is no processing of a behavioral reaction.
    yes, about stupid jeans from Turkish manufacturers of unmanned vehicles from imported components - if your battery explodes (lights up) of Chinese consumer goods, or "nodding" (which has happened more than once) - does this mean that the mobile soap dish has gained a sense and gives you a sign from above?
    or will "suck" in the city on the Neva be pounded on your head - also "artificial intelligence?"
  20. +2
    2 August 2021 23: 01
    Judging by everything and the realities of today, not everything is normal with our human intellect, but they grabbed the artificial one, a fashionable trend, "we, too, are like in America." Maybe at first natural, after completing the reforms (destruction) of the education and upbringing system, return to a normal state in accordance with modern requirements?
  21. 0
    9 August 2021 20: 57
    and there will be no more aphorisms like "put a barrier here or one sensible major"?
  22. 0
    10 August 2021 19: 30
    For the introduction of AI into military affairs, a country must have an appropriate level of development of society and economy. If you have read science fiction stories and novels by Soviet authors, pay attention to this.
  23. 0
    16 August 2021 18: 56
    No need to worry too much, now in Russia, everything is artificial.
  24. -1
    24 August 2021 07: 58
    "artificial intelligence is coming to the Russian army" - have they got Fedor's robot from the warehouse?

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