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Experts drew attention to the deviation of the barrel from the central axis when testing the 155-mm self-propelled guns "Bogdana" in Ukraine

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The Armed Forces of Ukraine demonstrated firing from self-propelled artillery units with a caliber of 155 mm. We are talking about self-propelled guns "Bogdana", on which the command of the Ukrainian troops relies on, declaring "compliance with NATO standards." As you can see, the stake itself is to declare compliance with NATO standards for any reason (and often for no reason).


Test firing with the use of ACS 2S22 "Bogdan" developed by the Kramatorsk enterprise took place at the modernized and renewed training ground of the Armed Forces of Ukraine "Shirokiy Lan" in the Zaporozhye region.

The fire tests, as stated, allow for "verification of the design solutions implemented in the creation of these self-propelled guns."

The footage shows how, during firing tests, a soldier single-handedly brings 155-mm ammunition to the self-propelled guns, which is located at a distance of 25-30 m from the makeshift field arsenal. At the same time, the ammunition itself is not in special boxes, but is laid out on a tarp, which, in turn, was spread on the grass.

After watching the video of the shooting from the "Bogdana", the experts drew attention to the fact that the barrel of the artillery mount is deflected at a certain angle from the central axis.



The angle is small, but when firing large-caliber projectiles, this can affect the recoil and displacement of the entire installation, which in the future can cause problems with the accuracy of hitting the target - after all, live firing will not always be performed under ideal weather conditions and dry ground, on which the multi-ton Bogdana "Is located as in a firing position.

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  1. andrewkor
    andrewkor 1 June 2021 15: 49
    +4
    I am surprised that the barrel has not yet been torn apart, in the tradition of the Sumerian gunsmiths! And the chassis is still alive!
    1. Anachoret
      Anachoret 1 June 2021 15: 54
      +5
      this is in order to beat the "twisted"))) adapt themselves, perhaps, from around the corner))
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 1 June 2021 16: 11
        +57
        Damn, what, in the opinion of the commentators, should ideally be exactly along the axis car stand or what? Should horizontal aiming be achieved by turning the chassis? Why post such nonsense.
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 1 June 2021 16: 23
          +23
          Any nonsense can be attributed to "expert opinions."
          As for the ammunition on the tarpaulin, the "experts" should have noted that this is a normal practice and means that some of the ammunition, laid out from the boxes, is already prepared for firing. You need to wipe the shells from lubrication in advance.
        2. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 1 June 2021 17: 06
          +3
          Quote: alexmach
          Damn, what, in the opinion of the commentators, should he stand exactly along the axis of the car or what? Should horizontal aiming be achieved by turning the chassis?

          In my opinion, something else was meant: all the shots were at a very small angle in relation to the longitudinal axis of the machine. Why didn't they shoot at large angles? and with such a high position of the barrel, will it fall on its side after firing from large angles?
        3. Ascold1901
          Ascold1901 1 June 2021 17: 32
          -2
          Of course, along the axis of the barrel, especially on a wheeled platform. Do you know at least one more self-propelled artillery system where the axes of the platform and the barrel do not coincide?)))
          It was tested and proven back in the 40s.)))
          This does not mean the direction of the shot, but the centering of the shoulder strap relative to the axis of the platform.
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 1 June 2021 17: 42
            +9
            Do you know at least one more self-propelled artillery system where the axes of the platform and the barrel do not coincide?)))
            It was tested and proven back in the 40s.)))

            Hmm ... let me think about it.

            Proven and even "proven" you say? In the 40s?

            And here are the Poles .. are unfamiliar with the fact that there is who and where is proven ...
            1. Ascold1901
              Ascold1901 1 June 2021 17: 47
              +3
              Great.))) This video clearly shows that the longitudinal axis of the platform coincides (!) With the center of the shoulder strap.)))
              So this only confirms that I am right.)))
        4. mark1
          mark1 1 June 2021 17: 34
          +9
          Quote: alexmach
          Should horizontal aiming be achieved by turning the chassis?

          And what has to do with the front sight on the hood ...
        5. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 1 June 2021 17: 38
          +7
          Quote: alexmach
          Should horizontal aiming be achieved by turning the chassis?

          By the way, about the tip. On tests, the gunner turns the gun aiming flywheels manually. Does this car have an alternative to manual aiming? And in general, at least some elements of auxiliary automation (such as a pneumatic rammer) are there on it?
          The car has stops at the back, which it lowers to the ground before firing. But in the video after the shot, the car sags strongly, since the stops only slightly touch the ground. If they are lowered soundly, then the loader will not reach the chamber with his projectile, since the support platform for him is attached to the stops and the same will go down. If they have a different drive, why is the platform at an angle, and the supports do not really rest on the ground?
          In general, solid questions.
          1. Slon1978
            Slon1978 2 June 2021 02: 54
            +3
            I was also somewhat surprised by the loading method. How interesting will the loader feel after 20-30 shots, and even at a high pace? It seems to me that this could end with the fall of the projectile (with the fuse screwed in, among other things) onto the metal loading platform. The loading speed itself will be low. They just ruined Mstu-B ...
        6. dgonni
          dgonni 1 June 2021 17: 39
          +14
          I remembered an anecdote from the times of the USSR.
          The best self-propelled gun crew shoots.
          A shot sounds and the spotter announces.
          The undershoot is 300 meters.
          Commander of the crew smat.
          Mehvod! Three hundred meters ahead
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 1 June 2021 16: 50
        -4
        Quote: Anchorite
        this is in order to beat with "twisted"))) will adapt, perhaps, from around the corner

        Well it's like a soldier Shveikva "Mr. Lieutenant, if you put the cannon on the wheel, will you be able to shoot around the corner?"... 100 years have passed, and finally Ukrainian craftsmen have brought it to life.
        Life without Schweiks is not interesting, clowns are always needed.
    2. Kuroneko
      Kuroneko 1 June 2021 16: 02
      +4
      Quote: andrewkor
      I am surprised that the barrel has not yet been torn apart, in the tradition of the Sumerian gunsmiths! And the chassis is still alive!

      It is alleged that this ACS used Ukrainian-made barrels. According to Yuri Biryukov, the barrel of the howitzer is made of the same alloy as the Ukrainian mortar М120-15 "Molot" (this is the mortar that killed its soldiers more than enemies). According to Defense Express, the barrel was manufactured at the Kramatorsk Heavy Machine Tool Plant.
    3. Finches
      Finches 1 June 2021 16: 37
      -7
      Once upon a time the predecessors of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Wehrmacht, had a "Dora" mega-gun, the Germans also fiddled with it pretty much - therefore, the deflection of the barrel is nonsense! laughing
      1. Kuroneko
        Kuroneko 1 June 2021 17: 41
        +2
        But there was German quality. Dora, while almost useless, was still an engineering masterpiece. And "Bogdana" ...
    4. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 1 June 2021 18: 07
      +3
      Quote: andrewkor
      I am surprised that the barrel has not yet been torn apart, in the tradition of the Sumerian gunsmiths! And the chassis is still alive!

      They shoot with an incomplete charge. As an artilleryman, this is obvious to me. What did they experience there?
    5. Sahalinets
      Sahalinets 2 June 2021 04: 48
      0
      The main thing is that this thing has two automatic loaders, moreover, self-propelled and working on borscht! laughing
  2. Split
    Split 1 June 2021 16: 07
    -1
    Mdaaa ... the trunk fell, so to speak, developers and manufacturers should write out Viagra! In famous videos, the trunks, so to speak, will be stronger and straighter. lol
  3. isv000
    isv000 1 June 2021 16: 08
    -1
    [quot because live fires will not always be performed in ideal weather conditions] [/ quote]

    I will say more - they will generally be a complete nightmare for the Armed Forces ... lol
  4. Evil 55
    Evil 55 1 June 2021 16: 17
    -3
    The system is not horizontally stabilized .. this kind of shooting only leads to an overexpenditure of shells, the possible defeat of its troops due to the wrong choice of the method of shooting and the inability to control the fire.
  5. smaug78
    smaug78 1 June 2021 16: 38
    +18
    What nonsense, another bottom from Topwar ...
    1. Bshkaus
      Bshkaus 1 June 2021 16: 48
      +14
      What nonsense, another bottom from Topwar ...

      When I write in the comments that another nonsense is being written about Ukraine, they give me 1001 minus, and then everyone unanimously went straight for Bogdana. This is definitely not a dream ?!
      1. smaug78
        smaug78 1 June 2021 16: 50
        +4
        Hooray patriots have not yet come running. Wait wink
        1. bk316
          bk316 3 June 2021 13: 29
          0
          Hooray patriots have not yet come running.

          And on the case to say what is there?
          I am the commander of PG 2A36.
          In the training of shells, I rode around. I can say for sure that raising the projectile to the level of the head is still a work, the loader will die in 5 minutes. In addition, it is clear that the coulters are short and simply will not burrow. About the center of the shoulder strap is not visible in the photo, but if it is shifted, the frame will lead. You probably just have no idea what kind of recoil such a gun has.
    2. vital.33
      vital.33 1 June 2021 20: 48
      +5
      Quote: smaug78
      What nonsense, another bottom from Topwar ...

      It's like watching reviews of "Badcomedian", watching about a movie and thinking, "Well, it can't get any worse, this is a complete bottom !!!", but several months pass and a new review about, for example, "Kakha", and you understand .. . is! is! where else ... So here ... The main thing is about Ukraine ..))
  6. Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 1 June 2021 16: 39
    0
    Each ATO officer on the trunk.
  7. Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 1 June 2021 16: 42
    0
    They are probably made of the same cast iron, as the HAMMER .... it would be good.
    1. lis-ik
      lis-ik 1 June 2021 17: 13
      +5
      Quote: Yaro Polk
      They are probably made of the same cast iron, as the HAMMER .... it would be good.

      I will answer you, and at the same time to everyone, the author of the article decided to earn points on the next delirium about Ukraine and how bad everything is there, without understanding the issue. Turn on your brains and think, but does the barrel of an artillery mount or tank always have to be in relation to the longitudinal axis of the carrier?
      1. Ascold1901
        Ascold1901 1 June 2021 17: 38
        +2
        Yes, the axes of the platform and the gun must match, especially for tower systems. This does not mean the direction of the shot, but the centering of the shoulder strap on the platform axis.
        Tested a long time ago.)))
        1. Holgerton
          Holgerton 2 June 2021 09: 57
          -2
          Well, there are just no problems with this, the only thing that can be seen from the photo is that the horizontal aiming angle of the gun is different from the longitudinal axis of the chassis, which, as it were, is not something outstanding, since this is what the guidance drives are for ...
  8. Undecim
    Undecim 1 June 2021 16: 51
    +27
    After watching the video of the shooting from the "Bogdana", the experts drew attention to the fact that the barrel of the artillery mount is deflected at a certain angle from the central axis.

    Admins, do not dishonor the site, remove this nonsense of some "experts".

    took place at the modernized and renewed training ground of the Armed Forces of Ukraine "Shirokiy Lan" in the Zaporozhye region.

    When did Shirlan manage to move from the Nikolaev region to Zaporozhye?
  9. APASUS
    APASUS 1 June 2021 17: 00
    0
    1 The deflection angle is really large there, not only problems with accuracy can arise, problems with skewing of the gun itself rather
    2 The tool compensates for the recoil with the blade. Is it in ideal weather, but in the rain it will collect dirt under it? No additional outriggers visible
    3 Where is the widely advertised automatic loader or are these two soldiers out of habit?
    1. Cananecat
      Cananecat 1 June 2021 17: 13
      -1
      Quote: APASUS
      Where is the widely advertised automatic loader, or are they two soldiers out of habit?

      Well, yes ... there are not enough blacks in Ukraine for loaders, and they also gathered in NATO laughing
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 1 June 2021 21: 02
        -2
        [quote = Canecat] [quote = APASUS]
        Well, yes ... there are not enough blacks in Ukraine for loaders, and they also gathered in NATO laughing[/ Quote]
        Not blacks, but African Americans. Learn Political Correctness!tongue
        And finally, let them correct the gene pool, bring in male-producers, and in twenty years - here it is, diversification! And without it they may not be admitted to NATO.lol
      2. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 1 June 2021 21: 09
        +4
        Quote: Canecat

        Well, yes ... there are not enough blacks in Ukraine for loaders, and they also gathered in NATO laughing
        ukronegry
        Ukraine has everything ...
        wassat
  10. Barberry25
    Barberry25 1 June 2021 17: 04
    +1
    Nonsense about "rejecting the barrel" let's lower it .. but I wonder why they didn't fix the car itself? The stops are not completely released .. they shoot so sensitively and they will have a bent frame ..
    1. mark1
      mark1 1 June 2021 17: 28
      +5
      Quote: Barberry25
      they shoot a bit and they will have a bent frame ..

      Everything is thought out - the frame is turned over and the subsequent shooting is straightened ...
      Well, in general, what an article, such a joke ...
      1. Barberry25
        Barberry25 1 June 2021 17: 50
        +1
        Well, if only that)
    2. Bshkaus
      Bshkaus 1 June 2021 18: 55
      +7
      .. why didn't they fix the car itself? the stops are not completely released .. they shoot so sensitively and their frame will be bent ..

      From my own experience, I’ll tell you how the workers on the set work: they do not understand the subject at all, but at the same time they shoot everything and from all angles out of place, and then they choose “beautiful shots” - this is Level # 1. Then experts join, who begin to judge the product on the basis of distorted photographs - this is Level # 2. Well, the cherry on top is the couch patriots, who, like the operators, do not understand anything and, in addition, even more distort 30% of what they have learned (no more people remember) from the article of the would-be expert - this is Level # 3
      Of course, there are those who judge at all by a computer game, but this is already a "major league"
      1. Barberry25
        Barberry25 1 June 2021 21: 29
        +2
        for those who are in the tank, we are talking about the opener plate, it must lower into the ground until it stops, so that the rear of the machine rises, so that all the recoil goes to it, this is not here .. what is a jamb .. This is how it should be seen the French on Caesar
        1. Bshkaus
          Bshkaus 2 June 2021 07: 16
          -1
          for those who are in the tank-

          So I'm talking about the same: plug in the headset - it's hard to hear in the headset:
          workers on the set: they do not understand the subject at all, but at the same time they shoot everything and from all angles out of place, and then choose "beautiful shots"

          I said "beautiful", not "correct" frame. Do you understand the difference? "Shot", not the shooting itself
          1. Barberry25
            Barberry25 2 June 2021 09: 19
            -1
            laughing What do journalists have to do with it if the calculation consists of reindeer herders who does not do what it should be? Or, what is worse is the mistake of the designers ..
            1. Bshkaus
              Bshkaus 2 June 2021 09: 21
              -1
              what do the journalists have to do with it

              If you don’t understand twice, then I don’t see the point in repeating the third time
              1. Barberry25
                Barberry25 2 June 2021 13: 11
                -1
                laughing yes, I also see that for you apparently kraz, which already shakes after each shot, this is the norm ... I directly see a real artilleryman
  11. MakStVik
    MakStVik 1 June 2021 17: 27
    -6
    They have not only the trunk, but also the psyche is rejected.
  12. Marachuh
    Marachuh 1 June 2021 17: 51
    -1
    Tell me, was the Hammer mortar also by NATO standards? wassat
  13. Dva parovoza
    Dva parovoza 1 June 2021 17: 55
    +13
    What nonsense from "ekperdov" - deviation from the axis ??? Pointing and fine-tuning should be carried out by the carrier by leveling the machine directly along the course of the shot? What is this game ??? Yes, all self-propelled howitzers on a wheeled chassis, without exception, can shoot in any direction with a turntable!
  14. markant1970
    markant1970 1 June 2021 18: 03
    +5
    Smiled, an article from the series "As always, Ukraine is sad."
    1. oprovergatel
      oprovergatel 4 June 2021 16: 40
      0
      Surprise us.

      Amaze us with the story of how wonderful everything is on Kukarin!
      1. markant1970
        markant1970 4 June 2021 20: 42
        -2
        Not everything is as sad as you would like in the Horde Ulus
        1. oprovergatel
          oprovergatel 7 June 2021 15: 18
          0
          What are you doing ?!

          Для сведения дремучих селюков, северные русские княжества НИКОГДА не входили в территориально в состав Золотой орды, а находились от Ордынского государства в вассальной зависимости. В них не располагались постоянно ордынские войска, не проживали сами татары/монголы. Они выплачивали дань Орде, но при этом вели самостоятельную внешнюю и внутреннюю политику. От Орды требовалось утверждение лишь Великого Князя. В остальном жили сами своим укладом.

          А вот вся степная причерноморская часть нынешней кукарины, почти до окрестностей Куива территориально, как раз, входила в состав Улуса Джучи. Там кочевали различные орды и даже уже после распада Ордынского государства, аж до середины XVIII века! И окончательно вышибли их оттуда, опять же, русские войска. Как и из Крыма.

          Киев и большинство городов непосредственно Киевского княжества, были разрушены монголами в 1240 году до основания, большая часть их населения убита, остальные угнаны в рабство. Ярко горевший на юге факел русской культуры угас. Земли эти на несколько веков погрузились во тьму. Только через сотню лет Куив стал вновь заштатным городишкой, где опять селились люди. Восстанавливать своё былое великолепие он начал только после присоединения к Российской Империи.

          Так что не вам хрюкать про улусы!
          1. markant1970
            markant1970 7 June 2021 17: 13
            0
            Так то Северные княжества, каким боком к ним Московия относится,вы же отсчёт государственности от неё ведете.
            Рус. зем­ли ока­за­лись под мон­го­ло-та­тар­ским игом, од­на­ко во­прос о том, счи­тать ли их ча­стью З. О., ос­та­ёт­ся не­про­яс­нён­ным. Рус. кня­зья по­лу­ча­ли яр­лы­ки хан­ские на кня­же­ние, вы­пла­чи­ва­ли ор­дын­ский вы­ход, уча­ст­во­ва­ли в не­ко­то­рых вой­нах ор­дын­ских ха­нов
            Как всегда "лапотники" стыдливо замачивают историю.
            1. oprovergatel
              oprovergatel 9 June 2021 14: 47
              0
              Недалёким, неспособным определять стороны света и ориентироваться по ним, и объяснять что-то бесполезно. Термин "Северные княжества" я употребил для отличения от Южных (Киевского, Черниговского, Переяславского) и Юго-Западных (Галицкого, Волынского, Турово-Пинского). Все остальные русские княжества располагались по отношению к ним севернее.

              Отсчёт государственности мы ведём от Старой Ладоги и Новгорода. Которые уже были городами, когда на месте Кукуева был хазарский кишлак Куяба.
              Именно оттуда пришла княжеская династия Рюриковичей на Юг. Замочила засевших в Куябе своих же отщепенцев Аскольда и Дира и оседлала торговый путь из "варяг в греки". Почти на 300 лет политический центр сформировавшегося в результате этого Древнерусского государства переместился на юг Руси. До Начала возвышения, как раз, северных княжеств с городом Владимиром во главе в середине XII века. Окончательно же своё значение, как главного княжеского стола в русских землях, Киевское княжество утратило после разрушения Киева монголами в 1240 году.

              Структурно русские княжества никогда в состав ЗО не входили. Были вассально-зависимыми данниками. Южные и юго-западные, кстати, тоже.

              Феодальные отношения вассалитета предусматривают, в том числе, и участие в боевых действиях на стороне сюзерена. Но вот ведь, что характерно, Северные княжества в походах монголов против европейских христиан не участвовали. А вот Юго-Западные (Галицкое и Волынское) не раз принимали, таки, участие. А вообще, и русские князья могли запросить помощь от ордынцев (вассальные отношения работают в обе стороны). Ту же литву (название народности, а не государства), лезущую на западные русские земли, не раз совместно курощали русские дружины с поддержкой монгольской конницы.

              И кто всё это "замалчивает"? Это история! Всё это можно прочитать в учебниках и сотнях исторических трудов. В России, в отличии от Кукарины, историю не выдумывают. В России Историческая наука основывается не на бреднях спятивших дурачков, типа Бебика, а на сотнях и тысячах документов, летописей, исторических свидетельств, в том числе иностранных, европейских или ближневосточных, на археологических и прочих свидетельствах.
  15. Ehmedli
    Ehmedli 1 June 2021 18: 07
    0
    Yes, NATO's attitude, or not, this is not the main thing. The main thing is not to miss 6 hours of art training lessons a day! Especially practical shooting.
    There are guys, from the same 152mm D20, they send a shell straight to the enemy's pocket. And there are those who, with a modern installation, with a modern LMS (by adjusting the UAV), smear as much as hundreds of meters, especially in mountainous conditions, this manifests itself strongly ..
    So the main thing is training and skill.
    The command must conduct these 6-hour art training every day, and the soldiers must attend these classes, before lunch and after, and sit clearly until the end of the lesson, then after sweaty training and efforts, you can stun the enemy with D20 and even D30. It is not necessary to have a NATO caliber for this.
  16. Dva parovoza
    Dva parovoza 1 June 2021 18: 10
    +8
    I would like to know about the competence of the author and the "experts" whose knowledge he used, if he himself ... does not know, and in the course of the picture saw that the Earth is flat and immediately came up with a fairy tale about "experts" who whispered to him right in ear ..., or better a reference to these "experts", so that we would not doubt the veracity of the author.
  17. evgen1221
    evgen1221 1 June 2021 18: 52
    +8
    And (the experts) did not pay much attention to the fact that this self-propelled gun has round wheels and that the car is painted in camouflage? -And how will this affect the performance characteristics and combat work? And who did it? And she also has an internal combustion engine type, but what would that mean? A brief description of the expert council of apparently the best minds who wrote this article.
  18. Sergey Ivanov_15
    Sergey Ivanov_15 1 June 2021 20: 18
    -7
    Made in a hurry, in haste !!! In Banderia, they surpassed themselves again !!!! It will be like with the "Hammer" and good !!!!
  19. Bogalex
    Bogalex 1 June 2021 21: 59
    +4
    What kind of nonsense are the so-called "experts" who "drew attention to the fact that the barrel of the artillery mount is deflected at a certain angle from the central axis," and the author who repeats this after them?
    Since when did all the SAO fire only when turning 0-00 from the longitudinal axis of the machine ???
    Are you out of your mind?
  20. Fedor M
    Fedor M 2 June 2021 01: 32
    -4
    In Ukraine there is only a deflection of the trunk
  21. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 2 June 2021 03: 51
    +2
    Experts are hto!? - couch or what? Well, they all know. Why post such crap !? - to expose dill as the last idiots - in vain !!!
  22. monster
    monster 2 June 2021 06: 21
    -4
    Where are so many svidomites on the site ?!
    1. Bshkaus
      Bshkaus 2 June 2021 07: 20
      +2
      Where are so many svidomites on the site ?!

      And what, they were caught by surprise in the 8th year of the war angry
      1. oprovergatel
        oprovergatel 4 June 2021 16: 42
        -1
        Wouldn't you bother to enlighten what kind of war you are talking about?
        1. Bshkaus
          Bshkaus 4 June 2021 17: 00
          -1
          Wouldn't you bother to enlighten what kind of war you are talking about?

          Why are you dear ?: there is no war, the violinist will prove ...
          "... That is because you say what you don’t think and think what you don’t say, that is why you sit in cages ..."
          Kin-dza-dza if that
          1. oprovergatel
            oprovergatel 7 June 2021 15: 21
            -1
            Так кто с кем воюет-то?

            Прекратите уж крупом вилять, да прямо озвучьте!
  23. uav80
    uav80 2 June 2021 08: 30
    -1
    Here, most likely, we are not talking about mixing the barrel, but about mixing the entire tool itself in the direction relative to the longitudinal axis of the car. THOSE. the gun is not positioned along the axis of the car, but is slightly mixed to the left due to the fact that the gunner's place is on the right ...
  24. yanus
    yanus 2 June 2021 08: 59
    +3
    author / iksperdy - scum. Turning the cannon to the side gives the impression that the attachment point of the cannon to the chassis is shifted from this angle of the photo. But it is on the longitudinal axis ...
  25. Korolev Alexander
    Korolev Alexander 2 June 2021 10: 44
    -3
    In vain they attacked the Ukrainians. They don't have sugar anyway.
    It is good that this caramultuk is not charged from the barrel.
    1. Borisych
      Borisych 2 June 2021 13: 07
      0
      To make a barrel for an ACS in Kramatorsk, without a design school and a certain qualification of personnel, is nonsense. There is a catch here, what it is - we will find out very soon, bear with it a little.
  26. Scorpion85
    Scorpion85 2 June 2021 14: 49
    -1
    Bogdana with 155 mm cannon turned out pretty well on the Krazov chassis and compact compared to the Russian diesel locomotive "Malva", which has not even been tested yet! KraZ of the beast is still the same. good
  27. Decimalegio
    Decimalegio 2 June 2021 16: 49
    +2
    We can discuss if this is a quality carrier and we don't know anything, we can discuss if Ukraine can produce it, we can discuss the lack of an autoloader, but discuss the position of the barrel, which seems very normal, it seems useless
    1. Thorvlobnor IV
      Thorvlobnor IV 2 June 2021 17: 25
      +2
      The absence of an automatic loader is both an advantage and a disadvantage at the same time, no matter how paradoxical it sounds.
      It all depends on the tactics of using the ACS, when the pluses become minuses and vice versa.
      Pros of not having an automatic loader:
      1. Reducing the weight and complexity of the structure, there is no mechanism - there is no likelihood of its failure. Cheapness!
      2. Ease of choosing the type of projectile and charge. The automatic loader must be equipped in advance and predict how many and what kind of shells to stuff there.
      3. If the tactics of using the ACS provides for a quick change of position after several shots, then manual loading will win in terms of the speed of firing - people will not have time to get tired of carrying heavy loads.
      1. Decimalegio
        Decimalegio 2 June 2021 17: 45
        0
        Your excellent technical arguments good
  28. vetchinckin.iur
    vetchinckin.iur 2 June 2021 18: 06
    -2
    And so it will do. We shoot accurate sight in that direction.
  29. bistrov.
    bistrov. 3 June 2021 05: 49
    0
    The simplest conveyor with a rammer cannot be adapted?
    1. Thorvlobnor IV
      Thorvlobnor IV 3 June 2021 11: 21
      +1
      And who said that he would not be? A pre-production prototype is undergoing tests, on which the main weapon mechanisms are being worked out. Do not forget that NATO-standard 155mm howitzers have not been produced on the territory of the former Soviet Union so far.
      1. bistrov.
        bistrov. 3 June 2021 17: 27
        0
        Quote: Torvlobnor IV
        Do not forget that NATO-standard 155mm howitzers have not yet been produced in the former Soviet Union.

        I don't think there is a big difference between 155 and 152 mm.
  30. Vladimirsky
    Vladimirsky 3 June 2021 20: 22
    0
    Strange experts (looking at the wrong thing). but even stranger "tests"
    1.loading manually (according to the project - automatic) ...
    2.I was guided manually (according to the project - automatic testing) ...
    3. judging by a small rollback - on a small charge (is this really a test ???) ...
    4. cherry: shot - pulling the rope ...
    This is a show, not a test.