Experts drew attention to the deviation of the barrel from the central axis when testing the 155-mm self-propelled guns "Bogdana" in Ukraine

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The Armed Forces of Ukraine demonstrated firing from self-propelled artillery units with a caliber of 155 mm. We are talking about self-propelled guns "Bogdana", on which the command of the Ukrainian troops relies on, declaring "compliance with NATO standards." As you can see, the stake itself is to declare compliance with NATO standards for any reason (and often for no reason).

Test firing with the use of ACS 2S22 "Bogdan" developed by the Kramatorsk enterprise took place at the modernized and renewed training ground of the Armed Forces of Ukraine "Shirokiy Lan" in the Zaporozhye region.



The fire tests, as stated, allow for "verification of the design solutions implemented in the creation of these self-propelled guns."

The footage shows how, during firing tests, a soldier single-handedly brings 155-mm ammunition to the self-propelled guns, which is located at a distance of 25-30 m from the makeshift field arsenal. At the same time, the ammunition itself is not in special boxes, but is laid out on a tarp, which, in turn, was spread on the grass.

After watching the video of the shooting from the "Bogdana", the experts drew attention to the fact that the barrel of the artillery mount is deflected at a certain angle from the central axis.



The angle is small, but when firing large-caliber projectiles, this can affect the recoil and displacement of the entire installation, which in the future can cause problems with the accuracy of hitting the target - after all, live firing will not always be performed under ideal weather conditions and dry ground, on which the multi-ton Bogdana "Is located as in a firing position.

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    1. +4
      1 June 2021 15: 49
      I am surprised that the barrel has not yet been torn apart, in the tradition of the Sumerian gunsmiths! And the chassis is still alive!
      1. +5
        1 June 2021 15: 54
        this is in order to beat the "twisted"))) adapt themselves, perhaps, from around the corner))
        1. +57
          1 June 2021 16: 11
          Damn, what, in the opinion of the commentators, should ideally be exactly along the axis car stand or what? Should horizontal aiming be achieved by turning the chassis? Why post such nonsense.
          1. +23
            1 June 2021 16: 23
            Any nonsense can be attributed to "expert opinions."
            As for the ammunition on the tarpaulin, the "experts" should have noted that this is a normal practice and means that some of the ammunition, laid out from the boxes, is already prepared for firing. You need to wipe the shells from lubrication in advance.
          2. +3
            1 June 2021 17: 06
            Quote: alexmach
            Damn, what, in the opinion of the commentators, should he stand exactly along the axis of the car or what? Should horizontal aiming be achieved by turning the chassis?

            In my opinion, something else was meant: all the shots were at a very small angle in relation to the longitudinal axis of the machine. Why didn't they shoot at large angles? and with such a high position of the barrel, will it fall on its side after firing from large angles?
          3. -2
            1 June 2021 17: 32
            Of course, along the axis of the barrel, especially on a wheeled platform. Do you know at least one more self-propelled artillery system where the axes of the platform and the barrel do not coincide?)))
            It was tested and proven back in the 40s.)))
            This does not mean the direction of the shot, but the centering of the shoulder strap relative to the axis of the platform.
            1. +9
              1 June 2021 17: 42
              Do you know at least one more self-propelled artillery system where the axes of the platform and the barrel do not coincide?)))
              It was tested and proven back in the 40s.)))

              Hmm ... let me think about it.

              Proven and even "proven" you say? In the 40s?

              And here are the Poles .. are unfamiliar with the fact that there is who and where is proven ...
              1. +3
                1 June 2021 17: 47
                Great.))) This video clearly shows that the longitudinal axis of the platform coincides (!) With the center of the shoulder strap.)))
                So this only confirms that I am right.)))
          4. +9
            1 June 2021 17: 34
            Quote: alexmach
            Should horizontal aiming be achieved by turning the chassis?

            And what has to do with the front sight on the hood ...
          5. +7
            1 June 2021 17: 38
            Quote: alexmach
            Should horizontal aiming be achieved by turning the chassis?

            By the way, about the tip. On tests, the gunner turns the gun aiming flywheels manually. Does this car have an alternative to manual aiming? And in general, at least some elements of auxiliary automation (such as a pneumatic rammer) are there on it?
            The car has stops at the back, which it lowers to the ground before firing. But in the video after the shot, the car sags strongly, since the stops only slightly touch the ground. If they are lowered soundly, then the loader will not reach the chamber with his projectile, since the support platform for him is attached to the stops and the same will go down. If they have a different drive, why is the platform at an angle, and the supports do not really rest on the ground?
            In general, solid questions.
            1. +3
              2 June 2021 02: 54
              I was also somewhat surprised by the loading method. How interesting will the loader feel after 20-30 shots, and even at a high pace? It seems to me that this could end with the fall of the projectile (with the fuse screwed in, among other things) onto the metal loading platform. The loading speed itself will be low. They just ruined Mstu-B ...
          6. +14
            1 June 2021 17: 39
            I remembered an anecdote from the times of the USSR.
            The best self-propelled gun crew shoots.
            A shot sounds and the spotter announces.
            The undershoot is 300 meters.
            Commander of the crew smat.
            Mehvod! Three hundred meters ahead
        2. -4
          1 June 2021 16: 50
          Quote: Anchorite
          this is in order to beat with "twisted"))) will adapt, perhaps, from around the corner

          Well it's like a soldier Shveikva "Mr. Lieutenant, if you put the cannon on the wheel, will you be able to shoot around the corner?"... 100 years have passed, and finally Ukrainian craftsmen have brought it to life.
          Life without Schweiks is not interesting, clowns are always needed.
      2. +4
        1 June 2021 16: 02
        Quote: andrewkor
        I am surprised that the barrel has not yet been torn apart, in the tradition of the Sumerian gunsmiths! And the chassis is still alive!

        It is alleged that this ACS used Ukrainian-made barrels. According to Yuri Biryukov, the barrel of the howitzer is made of the same alloy as the Ukrainian mortar М120-15 "Molot" (this is the mortar that killed its soldiers more than enemies). According to Defense Express, the barrel was manufactured at the Kramatorsk Heavy Machine Tool Plant.
      3. -7
        1 June 2021 16: 37
        Once upon a time the predecessors of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Wehrmacht, had a "Dora" mega-gun, the Germans also fiddled with it pretty much - therefore, the deflection of the barrel is nonsense! laughing
        1. +2
          1 June 2021 17: 41
          But there was German quality. Dora, while almost useless, was still an engineering masterpiece. And "Bogdana" ...
      4. +3
        1 June 2021 18: 07
        Quote: andrewkor
        I am surprised that the barrel has not yet been torn apart, in the tradition of the Sumerian gunsmiths! And the chassis is still alive!

        They shoot with an incomplete charge. As an artilleryman, this is obvious to me. What did they experience there?
      5. 0
        2 June 2021 04: 48
        The main thing is that this thing has two automatic loaders, moreover, self-propelled and working on borscht! laughing
    2. -1
      1 June 2021 16: 07
      Mdaaa ... the trunk fell, so to speak, developers and manufacturers should write out Viagra! In famous videos, the trunks, so to speak, will be stronger and straighter. lol
    3. -1
      1 June 2021 16: 08
      [quot because live fires will not always be performed in ideal weather conditions] [/ quote]

      I will say more - they will generally be a complete nightmare for the Armed Forces ... lol
    4. -3
      1 June 2021 16: 17
      The system is not horizontally stabilized .. this kind of shooting only leads to an overexpenditure of shells, the possible defeat of its troops due to the wrong choice of the method of shooting and the inability to control the fire.
    5. +18
      1 June 2021 16: 38
      What nonsense, another bottom from Topwar ...
      1. +14
        1 June 2021 16: 48
        What nonsense, another bottom from Topwar ...

        When I write in the comments that another nonsense is being written about Ukraine, they give me 1001 minus, and then everyone unanimously went straight for Bogdana. This is definitely not a dream ?!
        1. +4
          1 June 2021 16: 50
          Hooray patriots have not yet come running. Wait wink
          1. 0
            3 June 2021 13: 29
            Hooray patriots have not yet come running.

            And on the case to say what is there?
            I am the commander of PG 2A36.
            In the training of shells, I rode around. I can say for sure that raising the projectile to the level of the head is still a work, the loader will die in 5 minutes. In addition, it is clear that the coulters are short and simply will not burrow. About the center of the shoulder strap is not visible in the photo, but if it is shifted, the frame will lead. You probably just have no idea what kind of recoil such a gun has.
      2. +5
        1 June 2021 20: 48
        Quote: smaug78
        What nonsense, another bottom from Topwar ...

        It's like watching reviews of "Badcomedian", watching about a movie and thinking, "Well, it can't get any worse, this is a complete bottom !!!", but several months pass and a new review about, for example, "Kakha", and you understand .. . is! is! where else ... So here ... The main thing is about Ukraine ..))
    6. 0
      1 June 2021 16: 39
      Each ATO officer on the trunk.
    7. 0
      1 June 2021 16: 42
      They are probably made of the same cast iron, as the HAMMER .... it would be good.
      1. +5
        1 June 2021 17: 13
        Quote: Yaro Polk
        They are probably made of the same cast iron, as the HAMMER .... it would be good.

        I will answer you, and at the same time to everyone, the author of the article decided to earn points on the next delirium about Ukraine and how bad everything is there, without understanding the issue. Turn on your brains and think, but does the barrel of an artillery mount or tank always have to be in relation to the longitudinal axis of the carrier?
        1. +2
          1 June 2021 17: 38
          Yes, the axes of the platform and the gun must match, especially for tower systems. This does not mean the direction of the shot, but the centering of the shoulder strap on the platform axis.
          Tested a long time ago.)))
          1. -2
            2 June 2021 09: 57
            Well, there are just no problems with this, the only thing that can be seen from the photo is that the horizontal aiming angle of the gun is different from the longitudinal axis of the chassis, which, as it were, is not something outstanding, since this is what the guidance drives are for ...
    8. +27
      1 June 2021 16: 51
      After watching the video of the shooting from the "Bogdana", the experts drew attention to the fact that the barrel of the artillery mount is deflected at a certain angle from the central axis.

      Admins, do not dishonor the site, remove this nonsense of some "experts".

      took place at the modernized and renewed training ground of the Armed Forces of Ukraine "Shirokiy Lan" in the Zaporozhye region.

      When did Shirlan manage to move from the Nikolaev region to Zaporozhye?
    9. 0
      1 June 2021 17: 00
      1 The deflection angle is really large there, not only problems with accuracy can arise, problems with skewing of the gun itself rather
      2 The tool compensates for the recoil with the blade. Is it in ideal weather, but in the rain it will collect dirt under it? No additional outriggers visible
      3 Where is the widely advertised automatic loader or are these two soldiers out of habit?
      1. -1
        1 June 2021 17: 13
        Quote: APASUS
        Where is the widely advertised automatic loader, or are they two soldiers out of habit?

        Well, yes ... there are not enough blacks in Ukraine for loaders, and they also gathered in NATO laughing
        1. -2
          1 June 2021 21: 02
          [quote = Canecat] [quote = APASUS]
          Well, yes ... there are not enough blacks in Ukraine for loaders, and they also gathered in NATO laughing[/ Quote]
          Not blacks, but African Americans. Learn Political Correctness!tongue
          And finally, let them correct the gene pool, bring in male-producers, and in twenty years - here it is, diversification! And without it they may not be admitted to NATO.lol
        2. +4
          1 June 2021 21: 09
          Quote: Canecat

          Well, yes ... there are not enough blacks in Ukraine for loaders, and they also gathered in NATO laughing
          ukronegry
          Ukraine has everything ...
          wassat
    10. +1
      1 June 2021 17: 04
      Nonsense about "rejecting the barrel" let's lower it .. but I wonder why they didn't fix the car itself? The stops are not completely released .. they shoot so sensitively and they will have a bent frame ..
      1. +5
        1 June 2021 17: 28
        Quote: Barberry25
        they shoot a bit and they will have a bent frame ..

        Everything is thought out - the frame is turned over and the subsequent shooting is straightened ...
        Well, in general, what an article, such a joke ...
        1. +1
          1 June 2021 17: 50
          Well, if only that)
      2. +7
        1 June 2021 18: 55
        .. why didn't they fix the car itself? the stops are not completely released .. they shoot so sensitively and their frame will be bent ..

        From my own experience, I’ll tell you how the workers on the set work: they do not understand the subject at all, but at the same time they shoot everything and from all angles out of place, and then they choose “beautiful shots” - this is Level # 1. Then experts join, who begin to judge the product on the basis of distorted photographs - this is Level # 2. Well, the cherry on top is the couch patriots, who, like the operators, do not understand anything and, in addition, even more distort 30% of what they have learned (no more people remember) from the article of the would-be expert - this is Level # 3
        Of course, there are those who judge at all by a computer game, but this is already a "major league"
        1. +2
          1 June 2021 21: 29
          for those who are in the tank, we are talking about the opener plate, it must lower into the ground until it stops, so that the rear of the machine rises, so that all the recoil goes to it, this is not here .. what is a jamb .. This is how it should be seen the French on Caesar
          1. -1
            2 June 2021 07: 16
            for those who are in the tank-

            So I'm talking about the same: plug in the headset - it's hard to hear in the headset:
            workers on the set: they do not understand the subject at all, but at the same time they shoot everything and from all angles out of place, and then choose "beautiful shots"

            I said "beautiful", not "correct" frame. Do you understand the difference? "Shot", not the shooting itself
            1. -1
              2 June 2021 09: 19
              laughing What do journalists have to do with it if the calculation consists of reindeer herders who does not do what it should be? Or, what is worse is the mistake of the designers ..
              1. -1
                2 June 2021 09: 21
                what do the journalists have to do with it

                If you don’t understand twice, then I don’t see the point in repeating the third time
                1. -1
                  2 June 2021 13: 11
                  laughing yes, I also see that for you apparently kraz, which already shakes after each shot, this is the norm ... I directly see a real artilleryman
    11. -6
      1 June 2021 17: 27
      They have not only the trunk, but also the psyche is rejected.
    12. -1
      1 June 2021 17: 51
      Tell me, was the Hammer mortar also by NATO standards? wassat
    13. +13
      1 June 2021 17: 55
      What nonsense from "ekperdov" - deviation from the axis ??? Pointing and fine-tuning should be carried out by the carrier by leveling the machine directly along the course of the shot? What is this game ??? Yes, all self-propelled howitzers on a wheeled chassis, without exception, can shoot in any direction with a turntable!
    14. +5
      1 June 2021 18: 03
      Smiled, an article from the series "As always, Ukraine is sad."
      1. 0
        4 June 2021 16: 40
        Surprise us.

        Amaze us with the story of how wonderful everything is on Kukarin!
        1. -2
          4 June 2021 20: 42
          Not everything is as sad as you would like in the Horde Ulus
          1. 0
            7 June 2021 15: 18
            What are you doing ?!

            For the information of the dense Selyuk, the northern Russian principalities NEVER were territorially part of the Golden Horde, but were in vassal dependence from the Horde state. They did not permanently house the Horde troops, the Tatars / Mongols themselves did not live. They paid tribute to the Horde, but at the same time pursued an independent foreign and domestic policy. The Horde was required to approve only the Grand Duke. Otherwise, they lived by their own way.

            But the entire steppe Black Sea part of the present kukarina, almost to the vicinity of Kuiv, geographically, was part of the Ulus Jochi. Various hordes roamed there, and even after the collapse of the Horde state, right up to the middle of the XNUMXth century! And finally, they were driven out of there, again, by the Russian troops. As well as from the Crimea.

            Kiev and most of the cities of the Kiev principality itself were destroyed by the Mongols in 1240 to the ground, most of their population was killed, the rest were driven into slavery. The torch of Russian culture, which burned brightly in the south, went out. These lands plunged into darkness for several centuries. Only a hundred years later, Kuiv became again a provincial town, where people again settled. It began to restore its former splendor only after joining the Russian Empire.

            So don't grunt about uluses!
            1. -1
              7 June 2021 17: 13
              So the Northern principalities, what side Muscovy refers to them, you are counting statehood from it.
              Rus. the lands were under the Mongol-Tatar yoke, but the question of whether they should be considered part of the Z.O. remains unclear. Rus. princes received khans 'labels for reign, paid the Horde exit, participated in some of the Horde khans' wars
              As always, "bast shoes" shyly soak history.
              1. 0
                9 June 2021 14: 47
                Narrow, unable to determine the cardinal points and navigate them, and explaining something is useless. I used the term "Northern principalities" to distinguish them from the Southern (Kiev, Chernigov, Pereyaslavsky) and South-Western (Galitsky, Volynsky, Turovo-Pinsky). All other Russian principalities were located in relation to them to the north.

                We are counting statehood from Staraya Ladoga and Novgorod. Which were already cities when the Khazar kishlak Kuyaba was on the site of Kukuev.
                It was from there that the princely dynasty of Rurikovich came to the South. Soaked her own renegades, Askold and Dir, who had settled in Kuyab, and saddled the trade route from the "Varangians to the Greeks." For almost 300 years, the political center of the resulting Old Russian state moved to the south of Russia. Before the beginning of the rise, just, of the northern principalities with the city of Vladimir at the head in the middle of the XII century. Finally, the Kiev principality lost its significance as the main princely table in the Russian lands after the destruction of Kiev by the Mongols in 1240.

                Structurally, Russian principalities have never been part of the ZO. They were vassal-dependent tributaries. South and south-west, by the way, too.

                Feudal relations of vassalage include, among other things, participation in hostilities on the side of the suzerain. But after all, what is characteristic, the Northern principalities did not participate in the campaigns of the Mongols against European Christians. But the Southwest (Galitskoye and Volynskoye) took part more than once. In general, the Russian princes could also request help from the Horde (vassal relations work in both directions). The same Lithuania (the name of a nation, not a state), climbing into the western Russian lands, was more than once jointly mauled by Russian squads with the support of Mongol cavalry.

                And who is "hushing up" all this? This is history! All this can be read in textbooks and hundreds of historical works. In Russia, unlike Kukarina, history is not made up. In Russia, historical science is based not on the ravings of crazy fools like Bebik, but on hundreds and thousands of documents, chronicles, historical evidence, including foreign, European or Middle Eastern, on archaeological and other evidence.
    15. 0
      1 June 2021 18: 07
      Yes, NATO's attitude, or not, this is not the main thing. The main thing is not to miss 6 hours of art training lessons a day! Especially practical shooting.
      There are guys, from the same 152mm D20, they send a shell straight to the enemy's pocket. And there are those who, with a modern installation, with a modern LMS (by adjusting the UAV), smear as much as hundreds of meters, especially in mountainous conditions, this manifests itself strongly ..
      So the main thing is training and skill.
      The command must conduct these 6-hour art training every day, and the soldiers must attend these classes, before lunch and after, and sit clearly until the end of the lesson, then after sweaty training and efforts, you can stun the enemy with D20 and even D30. It is not necessary to have a NATO caliber for this.
    16. +8
      1 June 2021 18: 10
      I would like to know about the competence of the author and the "experts" whose knowledge he used, if he himself ... does not know, and in the course of the picture saw that the Earth is flat and immediately came up with a fairy tale about "experts" who whispered to him right in ear ..., or better a reference to these "experts", so that we would not doubt the veracity of the author.
    17. +8
      1 June 2021 18: 52
      And (the experts) did not pay much attention to the fact that this self-propelled gun has round wheels and that the car is painted in camouflage? -And how will this affect the performance characteristics and combat work? And who did it? And she also has an internal combustion engine type, but what would that mean? A brief description of the expert council of apparently the best minds who wrote this article.
    18. -7
      1 June 2021 20: 18
      Made in a hurry, in haste !!! In Banderia, they surpassed themselves again !!!! It will be like with the "Hammer" and good !!!!
    19. +4
      1 June 2021 21: 59
      What kind of nonsense are the so-called "experts" who "drew attention to the fact that the barrel of the artillery mount is deflected at a certain angle from the central axis," and the author who repeats this after them?
      Since when did all the SAO fire only when turning 0-00 from the longitudinal axis of the machine ???
      Are you out of your mind?
    20. -4
      2 June 2021 01: 32
      In Ukraine there is only a deflection of the trunk
    21. +2
      2 June 2021 03: 51
      Experts are hto!? - couch or what? Well, they all know. Why post such crap !? - to expose dill as the last idiots - in vain !!!
    22. -4
      2 June 2021 06: 21
      Where are so many svidomites on the site ?!
      1. +2
        2 June 2021 07: 20
        Where are so many svidomites on the site ?!

        And what, they were caught by surprise in the 8th year of the war angry
        1. -1
          4 June 2021 16: 42
          Wouldn't you bother to enlighten what kind of war you are talking about?
          1. -1
            4 June 2021 17: 00
            Wouldn't you bother to enlighten what kind of war you are talking about?

            Why are you dear ?: there is no war, the violinist will prove ...
            "... That is because you say what you don’t think and think what you don’t say, that is why you sit in cages ..."
            Kin-dza-dza if that
            1. -1
              7 June 2021 15: 21
              So who is fighting with whom?

              Stop wagging your croup, and just voice it!
    23. -1
      2 June 2021 08: 30
      Here, most likely, we are not talking about mixing the barrel, but about mixing the entire tool itself in the direction relative to the longitudinal axis of the car. THOSE. the gun is not positioned along the axis of the car, but is slightly mixed to the left due to the fact that the gunner's place is on the right ...
    24. +3
      2 June 2021 08: 59
      author / iksperdy - scum. Turning the cannon to the side gives the impression that the attachment point of the cannon to the chassis is shifted from this angle of the photo. But it is on the longitudinal axis ...
    25. -3
      2 June 2021 10: 44
      In vain they attacked the Ukrainians. They don't have sugar anyway.
      It is good that this caramultuk is not charged from the barrel.
      1. 0
        2 June 2021 13: 07
        To make a barrel for an ACS in Kramatorsk, without a design school and a certain qualification of personnel, is nonsense. There is a catch here, what it is - we will find out very soon, bear with it a little.
    26. -3
      2 June 2021 14: 49
      Bogdana with 155 mm cannon turned out pretty well on the Krazov chassis and compact compared to the Russian diesel locomotive "Malva", which has not even been tested yet! KraZ of the beast is still the same. good
    27. +2
      2 June 2021 16: 49
      We can discuss if this is a quality carrier and we don't know anything, we can discuss if Ukraine can produce it, we can discuss the lack of an autoloader, but discuss the position of the barrel, which seems very normal, it seems useless
      1. +2
        2 June 2021 17: 25
        The absence of an automatic loader is both an advantage and a disadvantage at the same time, no matter how paradoxical it sounds.
        It all depends on the tactics of using the ACS, when the pluses become minuses and vice versa.
        Pros of not having an automatic loader:
        1. Reducing the weight and complexity of the structure, there is no mechanism - there is no likelihood of its failure. Cheapness!
        2. Ease of choosing the type of projectile and charge. The automatic loader must be equipped in advance and predict how many and what kind of shells to stuff there.
        3. If the tactics of using the ACS provides for a quick change of position after several shots, then manual loading will win in terms of the speed of firing - people will not have time to get tired of carrying heavy loads.
        1. 0
          2 June 2021 17: 45
          Your excellent technical arguments good
    28. -2
      2 June 2021 18: 06
      And so it will do. We shoot accurate sight in that direction.
    29. 0
      3 June 2021 05: 49
      The simplest conveyor with a rammer cannot be adapted?
      1. +1
        3 June 2021 11: 21
        And who said that he would not be? A pre-production prototype is undergoing tests, on which the main weapon mechanisms are being worked out. Do not forget that NATO-standard 155mm howitzers have not been produced on the territory of the former Soviet Union so far.
        1. 0
          3 June 2021 17: 27
          Quote: Torvlobnor IV
          Do not forget that NATO-standard 155mm howitzers have not yet been produced in the former Soviet Union.

          I don't think there is a big difference between 155 and 152 mm.
    30. 0
      3 June 2021 20: 22
      Strange experts (looking at the wrong thing). but even stranger "tests"
      1.loading manually (according to the project - automatic) ...
      2.I was guided manually (according to the project - automatic testing) ...
      3. judging by a small rollback - on a small charge (is this really a test ???) ...
      4. cherry: shot - pulling the rope ...
      This is a show, not a test.

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