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Historical analysis of the ballads of A.K. Tolstoy

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Historical analysis of the ballads of A.K. Tolstoy
M. Ivanov. Illustration for the ballad of A. K. Tolstoy "Borivoi"


Historical AK Tolstoy's ballads are written in a lively and vivid language, easy and enjoyable to read. But they are underestimated by most readers who do not take seriously the information contained in these poems and tend to view them only as funny literary tales. However, even among ballads with a fantastic plot and fictional characters, there are works that contain hints and references to real events. As an example, we can cite the ballads "Serpent Tugarin", "Stream-Bogatyr", "Someone's Grief".

And there are ballads that have a real historical basis. The sources for them were the stories of Russian chronicles, "The Lay of Igor's Campaign", as well as the works of contemporary Russian and foreign historians. It is to them that the main attention will be paid in these articles.


L. Falin. Illustration for the ballad "Roman Galitsky". This ballad tells about the visit of the papal ambassadors who offered Roman the crown of Russia

A.K. Tolstoy was simply in love with the history of pre-Mongol Russia, he wrote in 1869:

"When I think about the beauty of our history before the damned Mongols, ... I feel like throwing myself on the ground and rolling in despair of what we have done with the talents given to us by God!"

And, as always in such cases, sometimes he gets a little carried away and turns out to be biased.

The X – XI centuries are indeed a very interesting period in the history of our country. The young Russian state was rapidly gaining strength and increasing in size. The division of the churches into Catholic and Orthodox occurred only in 1054, and for many decades after it, people in the East and West considered themselves co-religionists. Familiar names are found in Western European and Byzantine sources of that time, and some Russian princes are the heroes of the Scandinavian sagas. According to A. K. Tolstoy, this period of our history contrasts sharply even with the beginning of the reign of the Romanovs. Everything foreign was then treated with suspicion and the Russian tsars washed their hands after talking with foreign ambassadors.


N. Dmitriev-Orenburgsky. The ritual of washing hands after receiving foreign embassies by the Moscow tsars

In the ballad Alien Grief, A. K. Tolstoy names three events that, in his opinion, drastically changed the natural course of the history of our country: the division of Russian lands between his sons by Yaroslav the Wise, the Mongol invasion and the despotic rule of Ivan the Terrible.

So let's talk in more detail about some of Alexei Tolstoy's ballads.

Ballad "Serpent Tugarin"


This ballad tells about the prophetic song of the Tatar singer, which he sang at the feast at Prince Vladimir:

“They will embrace your Kiev and flame and smoke,
And your grandchildren will be my grandchildren
Hold the gilded stirrup! "

It is interesting that in this ballad, as in Russian epics, the image of Vladimir is synthetic. In Prince Vladimir-Krasno Solnyshko, as you know, the images of Vladimir Svyatoslavich and his great-grandson Vladimir Monomakh merged.

In the passage quoted above, it is said about the grandchildren of the prince, who will have to submit to the Tatars. And this is a clear reference to Vladimir Monomakh - the last strong Grand Duke of the united Russian state. But in the finale of this ballad, Vladimir recalls the Varangians - "dashing grandfathers." And this is no longer Monomakh, but Vladimir Svyatoslavich, who in the "Lay of Igor's Host" and in the Scandinavian sagas is called "Old". This epithet, by the way, is always used in relation to the founder of the dynasty.

Recently, this Vladimir again often began to be called the Saint. Attentive readers have probably noticed A. Tolstoy's mistake. The fact is that Rurik was the great-grandfather of Vladimir Svyatoslavich. And the Mongols were met not by the grandchildren, but by the great-grandchildren of Vladimir Monomakh. It seems that the author made this mistake deliberately - in order to preserve the poetic meter. Agree, the words grandchildren and grandfathers are much more suitable for poetry than great-grandchildren and great-grandfathers.

Let's go back to A. Tolstoy's ballad.

“The singer continues:
“And the time will come,
Our Khan will cede to the Christians,
And the Russian people will rise again,
And one of you will gather the earth,
But he himself will become a khan over her! "

Here we see the opposition of pre-Mongol ("Kievan") Rus and Novgorod Rus to "Moscow" (the unfortunate names "Kievan" and "Moscow" Rus appeared only in the works of historians of the XNUMXth century). The idealized prince Vladimir is compared to Ivan the Terrible.

And at the end of the ballad, A. Tolstoy, through the lips of his hero, utters a wonderful phrase that should have been printed as an epigraph on every history textbook.

Responding to Tugarin's gloomy prophecy, Vladimir says:

“It happens, - said the light-sun-prince, -
Bondage will make you go through the mud -
Pigs can only swim in it! "


Prince Vladimir, still from the film "Ilya Muromets", 1956

Ballad "Stream-Bogatyr"


In this ballad, A.K. Tolstoy shows Ivan IV through the eyes of a Kiev hero who has slept for half a thousand years:

“The king is riding on a horse in a zipun of brocade,
And the executioners are walking around with axes, -
His mercy is going to amuse,
There is someone to cut or hang.
And in anger the Stream grabbed the sword:
"What kind of khan is willful in Russia?"
But suddenly he hears the words:
“Then the earthly god is riding,
Our father will deign to execute us! "

Note that any historian familiar with the deeds of European monarchs - contemporaries of Ivan IV, inevitable doubts about the outstanding "horror" and incredible "menacing" of this tsar.

After all, his contemporaries were Henry VIII of England, under whom about 72 thousand people were killed (as well as "the sheep ate people"), and the great English Queen Elizabeth, who executed up to 89 thousand subjects. At the same time, King Charles IX ruled in France. Under him, only during the "St. Bartholomew's Night" (which actually took place throughout France and lasted two weeks) more people were killed than were executed during the entire reign of Ivan IV. The Spanish king Philip II and the Duke of Alba were noted for 18 thousand killed in the Netherlands alone. And in Sweden at that time, the mad and bloody King Eric XIV was in power. But A. Tolstoy was guided by the works of Karamzin, who was extremely biased towards Ivan IV and played a big role in demonizing his image.


Ivan IV, miniature from the Kazan Chronicle

"Vasily Shibanov"


In this ballad A. Tolstoy once again turns to the image of Ivan IV.

Here we see a variation of the Nekrasov story of "an exemplary serf, Yakov the faithful." Prince Andrei Kurbsky, a traitor raised by the 1564th century liberals to the rank of "fighter against totalitarianism", the forerunner of General Vlasov, fled from his army to the Lithuanians in Volmar in the spring of XNUMX. Both he and his descendants actively fought against their homeland, killing not Ivan IV or close relatives of the tsar, but ordinary Russian people.

Kurbsky was accompanied in his flight by 12 people, including the hero of the ballad:

“The prince was handsome. The exhausted horse fell.
How to be foggy in the middle of the night?
But keeping the Shibans' slavish loyalty,
He gives his horse to the governor:
"Ride, prince, to the enemy's camp,
Perhaps I will not lag behind on foot. "

And how did the traitor thank the man who probably saved his life?

Kurbsky sends Shivanov to Ivan IV with an insulting letter, knowing full well that he is sending him to his death. Shivanov's unquestioning loyalty surprises even the tsar:

"Messenger, you are not a slave, but a comrade and friend,
And there are many, to know, the faithful of the Kurbsky servants,
What gave you away for nothing!
Go with Malyuta to the dungeon! "


Ivan Vasilyevich the Terrible listens to Kurbsky's letter delivered by Vasily Shibanov. Illustration of the magazine "Niva"

The ballad ends with a monologue by Shivanov, who "praises his master" and asks God to forgive both the Tsar and Kurbsky:

“Hear me, God, in my dying hour,
Forgive my lord!
My tongue grows dumb, and my gaze faded,
But my word is all one:
For the terrible, God, king, I pray,
For our holy, great Russia ... "

As they say, A. Tolstoy began "for health", and ended with some unbearably cloying loyal oil.

In some of the ballads A. Tolstoy tells about the history of the Western Slavs.

Ballad "Borvoy" (Pomor legend)


"To the cause of the church with a zealous heart,
Dad sends the word to Roskild
And a trip to the bodricans
The cross preaches. "

This is one of the episodes of the so-called Vendian Crusade of 1147 (committed as part of the Second Crusade). Pope Eugene III and Bernard of Clairvaux blessed the war against the Slavs along with the expedition to Palestine. The armies of the Saxon, Danish and Polish knights moved to the lands of the Polabian Slavs - encouraged and lutich. They were joined by detachments of German bishops and Moravian princes.

One of the crusader armies acted against the Lutichi and Pomorians. The fact that the prince of the lutichi Ratibor, his entourage and some of his subjects had already managed to adopt Christianity, did not bother anyone. The leaders of this part of the crusaders were the Margrave of Brandenburg Albrecht Medved and the Archbishop of Magdeburg Konrad I.

Another army was to crush the forces of the tribal alliance of cheer. Its leaders were the Duke of Saxony Heinrich Leo, Duke Konrad of Burgundy and Archbishop Adalbert of Bremen. The Danes were in a hurry to join this army, led by Sven III, the ruler of Zealand, and Knut V, who owned Jutland - second cousins ​​and irreconcilable rivals.

It's time to return to A. Tolstoy's ballad:

“Bishop Eric was the first to rise,
With him are the monks, having lifted their armor,
Going to the shore.
Dale Sven came, son of Niels,
In his winged shishak;
Together with him he took up arms
Viking Knut, shining with gold.
Both are of a royal family,
Both vied for the throne,
But for a glorious march
Anger is interrupted between them.
And, like a flock of seaside birds,
Many armored people
And rumbling and shining,
I joined them from everywhere. "

The bishop of Ruskild was actually called Asker. And the ruler of Jutland, Knut, is still difficult to call a Viking.


M. Ivanov. Illustration for the ballad "Boriva"

Resistance to the crusaders was led by the encouraging prince Niclot, who struck a preemptive blow to the harbor of Lubeck, destroying many ships there.


Prince Niklot, statue at Schwerin Castle

After that, Niclot retreated to the Dobin fortress, where the crusaders besieged him. At this time, the Danes also approached.

A.K. Tolstoy - on the arrival of Sven, Knut and Asker:

“And all three are in joy,
A formidable squad with them,
All are sailing in a mighty formation
To the towers of the city of Volyn ".

(to the besieged city of Dobin by the crusaders).

And the warlike Slavs of the island of Ruyan (Rügen), who defeated the Danish fleet in a naval battle, came to the rescue to encourage them:

"From the blows of heavy steel
Gilded Wings
Sven's helmet has already fallen;
Impaled in a fierce argument
Knut's strong chain mail,
And he throws himself into the sea
From an overturned plow.
And Bishop Eric, in battle
Sense of death above myself,
Jumped over in a fever
From your boat to someone else's. "



M. Ivanov. Illustration for the ballad "Boriva"

The commander of Sven's squadron, the Röskild bishop Asker (A. Tolstoy stubbornly calls him Eric) at the very beginning of the battle left his warship and took refuge on a merchant ship. Saxon Grammaticus states that the bishop

"With the spectacle of a shameful flight, he confused those whom he should have roused by his example to courage in battle."

Another mistake of Tolstoy is the participation of Knut's ships in this battle.

In fact, only the Zeelands fought with the Ruyans: Knut did not send his ships to the aid of his rival brother. One way or another, the Ruyans then captured many ships. After that, the Danes left Dobin.

"Heinrich Leo, walking boldly
To Volyn for the fun of the war,
Hearing about this case,
I went back to Brunzovik. "

In fact, it was 18-year-old Heinrich Leo who led the siege of Dobin.

The crusaders could not take this fortress. They left him, having secured the promise of Niklot to baptize his people. The actions of another army, which failed to capture Demmin and Stettin, were also unsuccessful.

In the finale of Tolstoy's ballad, the leader of the Ruyan Boriva (apparently, Boril-voy) promises to take revenge on the crusaders:

"To you in the middle of the sea or in the middle of the land
I'll make my way
And beforehand your souls
I doom Chernobog. "

In 1152, Slavic squads attacked Denmark and destroyed it.

Chronicler Helmold of Bosau testifies:

“This long campaign was resolved with little benefit. For immediately afterwards (the Slavs) began to act worse than before: they neither recognized baptism, nor refrained from robbing the Danes. "

In the following articles, we will conduct a historical analysis of the text of some ballads by A.K. Tolstoy, which tells about real events that took place on the territory of the Russian principalities.
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  1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 4 June 2021 04: 47
    +10
    Thanks for the "basting". It will be necessary to read the works of A.K. Tolstoy at his leisure.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 4 June 2021 05: 25
      +15
      Hello, Vlad. hi
      I certainly haven't read these ballads, somehow I didn't have to. request
      I read the article with interest, the guys lived merrily at that time: "cross yourself, get out of your soul, or we will cut everyone out!"
      And for the first time I heard about lyutichi, Pomoryan and encouraged thanks to Valery. Who lives on their lands now?
      In general, thanks! smile
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 4 June 2021 05: 33
        +11
        For me "Borivoy" differs from other ballads of A. K. Tolstoy.

        And it feels like “Rugevit” was composed as a counterbalance to this. I wonder in what order.
      2. SERGE ANT
        SERGE ANT 4 June 2021 05: 44
        +15
        Thanks to the author for an interesting article on an unfamiliar topic.
        Quote: Sea Cat
        Who lives on their lands now?

        Yes, mostly Germans and few Poles.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 4 June 2021 05: 45
          +11
          Thank you, I imagined something like this, but it's better to know more precisely. yes
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          2. Korsar4
            Korsar4 4 June 2021 05: 53
            +8
            Lyutichi, basically, did not accept Christianity. And they have not survived. Were assimilated.
          3. Richard
            Richard 4 June 2021 07: 00
            +11

            ... Suddenly, rising above the stern,
            Sven, the son of Niels, says to them:
            “I surrendered: over that rock
            As if the forest was stirring! "
            The bishop got up hastily,
            With a look of surprise:
            “What a miracle it seems to me:
            The horses are laughing on the blue sea! "
            But the bishop is in confusion
            The pale monk answers:
            “It’s not a neigh, then a hum
            Borivoi bagpipes! "
            And suddenly, where are they playing
            Bursts of white surf
            They run out from behind the cape
            Breakwaters of Borivoj!
            Painted sails
            The sea is blue covered
            Flown down the banner
            From the goddess Svyatovit
            Oars splash, armor shines,
            Steel axes are ringing
            And like mad horses
            Battle bagpipes whine! .... (c)
            ...
            The first time I heard these poems "Borivoi" on a term under the southern sky from a Khorog sergeant who was reading something by the fire ...
            Then, many years later, I reread Tolstoy at home and absolutely no emotions.
  2. Korsar4
    Korsar4 4 June 2021 05: 31
    +10
    Thanks for the topic. All these lines, and many others, have been cut in since childhood.
    1. depressant
      depressant 4 June 2021 07: 30
      +10
      And when Tugarin, turning into a serpent (downright biblical image of the Tempter), rushed into the water and swam, Prince Vladimir, sweeping aside the heavy prophecies of Tugarin, so that they would not get stuck in the minds of people and make a toast to inspire those present at the feast:

      Give me my great spell,
      That enchantment obtained in section
      Looted with the khozar khan in battle, -
      For Russian custom I drink to the bottom
      For the ancient Russian veche!

      For free, for honest Slavic people,
      I drink Novagrad for the bell
      And even if he falls to dust,
      Let his ringing in the heart of descendants live -
      Oh, ok, oh, okay ladushki, okay!

      I drink for the Vikings, for the dashing grandfathers,
      Who raised the Russian power
      Who is our Kiev famous for, who the Greek has subsided,
      For the blue sea that theirs,
      Rustling, brought from sunset!
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 4 June 2021 08: 24
        +7
        Poems are filled with bell ringing. You can still hear it, just listen: from Polotsk to Suzdal, from the Sretensky Monastery to Optina Hermitage.
        1. depressant
          depressant 4 June 2021 09: 03
          +7
          Amazing business, Sergei! Before, I constantly heard the ringing of the bells of our little church. "Bamm ... Bamm ... Bamm ...", - rushed through the village. But now Easter has passed, but I never heard the cherished "Bamm ...". They did not ring for matins or for vespers. Or maybe they called. Only the noise of the track became so strong that it drowned out the sound of the bells.
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 4 June 2021 09: 56
            +7
            Everything will return.
            "He who has ears - hears" (c).
            1. depressant
              depressant 4 June 2021 10: 23
              +8
              I remember that on Easter, the whole village, or rather, the women and children of it, wearing headscarves, went to church with flowers and baskets with painted eggs and Easter cakes - to bless. Near the church there were long tables covered with white tablecloths, everything was loaded onto them. Men also came - it was customary. There was a holiday, bustle, laughter, strangers got to know each other, the unity of the settlement was created, a kind of like-mindedness through mutual treating with consecrated products. In 2018, as it cut off, there was poverty, and with it a lull, in 2019, in general, darkness, complete silence not only on church, but also on secular holidays, unity disintegrated. It would be necessary to consolidate the process, someone decided, and an epidemic broke out ...
              During the quiet years, I heard a lonely bell ringing. And now, apparently, due to the epidemiological situation, it is not supposed to call the flock to a common prayer. What remains is the singing of the motor engines, and the ringing in the ears is from many other things, and it is not a bell. Only poets fancies.
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 4 June 2021 16: 47
                +2
                The bell ringing is still heard.
                And the circles often get narrower.
                1. depressant
                  depressant 4 June 2021 17: 09
                  +3
                  Which circles are they? Before your eyes or outlook? ((( lol )))
                  1. depressant
                    depressant 4 June 2021 18: 02
                    +3
                    And there are also circles under the eyes and on the water. The circle of knowledge is not a person's outlook. Is that, in the application of the concept to humanity. And if you compare yourself with people from ancient Russian legends - with those about whom Alexei Tolstoy writes, it is unlikely that the horizons of a modern person will be wider. He will be just different. It is amazing that a person from the 13th century will quickly learn our language and take root among us, while we in that century are doubtful.
                    1. Phil77
                      Phil77 4 June 2021 18: 30
                      +3
                      Lyudmila Yakovlevna, good evening!
                      * and we in that century are doubtful. *
                      Why would such a conclusion? I think just the opposite, you know. But at the same time, one must take into account the character, knowledge, skills of this particular * time traveler. * But as for the chela from conditionally 1242, there are big doubts that he is vulgar * the roof will not go *. laughing
                      1. depressant
                        depressant 4 June 2021 18: 48
                        +4
                        Seryozha, hello!)))
                        Well, tell me, does the roof of the Kyrgyz, who came to us from some mountain village, go? Does it go with him because his mentality, if not absolutely opposite to ours, then to a very large extent? Does he have a roof on the need to drain the water in the toilet and take care of the toilet bowl and stove in the kitchen (the owners groan!)? Yes, not at all! He simply ignores the need for these actions and, having learned a few common words, quite takes root in our reality, considering it alien to himself, but nevertheless accessible to him for life due to the very great tolerance of local Russians ...
                        Now imagine a modern Russian person who found himself in some settlement of the early Russian Middle Ages. Ignorance of the language and style of generally accepted behavior for different sectors of society can immediately cost him his life. If a bear or a wolf does not have time to gnaw him before that wassat ))))
                      2. Phil77
                        Phil77 4 June 2021 18: 55
                        +3
                        Stop stop, stop! Do we also mean geographic referencing? Well, the Kirghiz, so the Kirghiz. Well or poorly, but they received at least some education and feel quite well in the present time. But ... people out of 13 or a little later time ?! Yes, he will bounce off any object with a yell * Chur me, the demons walled up !!!!! *. Of course, like Ivan Vasilyevich, after a while he will also master slang, like- * Cops are sewing business *. laughing
                      3. depressant
                        depressant 4 June 2021 19: 07
                        +3
                        Seryozha, a high-mountain Kyrgyz, I brought up only as an example of a person of a mentality alien to us (let them not be offended!) For the lack of a Russian person from the 13th century, with whom such a Kyrgyz has almost parity. I'm talking about our tolerance, which was already in the time of Alexei Tolstoy and has reached its climax, including the legislative one, in our days.
                        But I doubt very much that the ancestors were so tolerant and, most importantly, patient, surrounded by enemies from all sides. So it’s better not to get in at that time. We have gone very far from him. The poet Tolstoy's ideas about that distant time as beautiful and sublime are strongly romanticized.
                      4. Phil77
                        Phil77 4 June 2021 19: 12
                        +3
                        All the more, the time machine is somehow, purely by chance, not observed at hand. Although ... it's a damn pity! I would, with my adventurous character, oh, and turn around! Regardless of my age.
                      5. depressant
                        depressant 4 June 2021 19: 42
                        +5
                        What are your years! )))
                        I believe that any well-trained special forces soldier would have "turned around" at that time. Send me there, and I will bend.
                        Imagine that we are different even in relation to people of the 18th - 19th centuries. Why was there such an explosion of scientific discoveries at that time that laid the foundations of modern science and technology? Not only because the accumulated knowledge made it possible to make a qualitative leap. Also because their daily routine was completely different from ours. In the pre-industrial era, the so-called segmented sleep was practiced: they went to bed early, woke up at 12 at night, talked to each other, fell asleep again and slept as much as possible. As a result, people got enough sleep! They had a rested brain, their memory did not suffer. Among peasant children, there was a very high percentage with an absolute memory. Have you met people with an absolute memory? Me not.
                        And now the industrial era and the corresponding daily routine. We absolutely do not get enough sleep, and therefore we are by no means smarter than people of the 18th century.
                      6. Phil77
                        Phil77 4 June 2021 19: 48
                        +3
                        * we are by no means smarter than people of the 18th century *.
                        Why, my dear, you have contracted pessimism. In vain, life is beautiful and amazing.

                        I’ll leave the esteemed congregation for a while. bully
                      7. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 4 June 2021 20: 29
                        +4
                        What does “absolute memory” mean? How is Homer?
                      8. depressant
                        depressant 4 June 2021 20: 44
                        +4
                        Did he have an absolute memory?
                        Such memory means that by reading the page and once again glancing over the text, you will remember it for life. I had such a memory in my youth. Pages of mathematics textbooks are still in front of my eyes. And then in the 90s, failures began. Now I remember only the meaning of what I have read and the conclusions drawn.
                      9. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 5 June 2021 05: 23
                        +2
                        I do not know. But, since he did not use his eyesight, he explained it long enough.
                        The Vorkosigan Saga features a character with an eidetic memory chip.
            2. cat Rusich
              cat Rusich 5 June 2021 20: 35
              +1
              Quote: Phil77
              .But ... a person from 13 or a little later?! Yes, he will bounce off any object with a scream * Chur me, the demons walled up !!!!! * .. laughing
              Have you watched at least one season of the "Battle of Psychics" - how many in our time - witches, shamans, magicians, sorcerers and other sorcerers.
              There was no such density of "evil spirits" per square meter of settlements in the 13th century.
              By the way, "sorcerers and demons" were enough for 21 seasons of "Battle of Psychics"
              the fight of extrasensories
              am
            3. cat Rusich
              cat Rusich 5 June 2021 20: 39
              +1
              the fight of extrasensories
              Here's another "portion of magic" wassat
            4. depressant
              depressant 5 June 2021 20: 54
              +2
              Dear colleague Kotik-Rusich, even then, in those distant times, when I was still watching TV, the sight of these characters, manipulators of consciousness, instantly and forever averted. I've had enough of them in my life. The only advantage of television over real ones is that they are erased from my being at the touch of a button.
            5. Phil77
              Phil77 6 June 2021 07: 06
              +1
              A similar story, you know. I had enough for ten minutes of watching. But ... I was very touched by their serious appearance and costumes! No, it is clear that TV, it is clear that you need to look * more sorcerous *, but ... it was funny. Therefore and looked only ten minutes, could no longer, got worn out!
              Good morning Lyudmila Yakovlevna! hi
            6. depressant
              depressant 6 June 2021 07: 54
              +2
              Hello Seryozha! )))
              This is all true. But some people still have a naive idea that since the CT shows it, it makes sense to watch it - they will not show outright stupidity. And so that people do not leave the state of faith in Central Television, the stream of stupidity is periodically diluted with completely objective news and analytics similar to the truth. But only similar, for imperceptibly for weak minds the threads needed by someone are woven into it, pulling them like reins in the right direction, they pull and force the population to turn.
            7. Phil77
              Phil77 6 June 2021 08: 01
              +2
              Absolutely! * One hundred percent *! * Stopood *! Mega-rights! movies / watching.But !!!
            8. depressant
              depressant 6 June 2021 08: 07
              +2
              Seryozha, because of advertising - including - I don't watch TV. I watch all films on my phone.
            9. Phil77
              Phil77 6 June 2021 08: 36
              +1
              Advertising is a good thing. laughing You can go for a smoke, go to the refrigerator once again laughing, feed the cat, water the flowers, and just click the remote control. bully

              So I watch TV sometimes, I conduct social monitoring of TV life.
            10. depressant
              depressant 6 June 2021 10: 24
              +2
              Yes, I also had such a lifestyle: advertising - you jump out of place to put the kettle on, wash, wipe the floors in the kitchen ... And then a gadget with a large screen fell into my hands, and my household activities turned into a terrible bewilderment: "How? !? Is this what I have to do all at once? But I'm tired of pointing my finger at the keyboard and straining my brains while reading a huge amount of interesting things! " Adaptation to a new lifestyle is slow, intermittent. wassat )))
              But I feel like a freer person)))
            11. Phil77
              Phil77 6 June 2021 10: 34
              +1
              Regarding advertising. Unfortunately, I noticed one unflattering thing for its creators. Instead of progressing, the commercials just simply slide into the abyss! Sometimes you grab your head, damn it, why did * the creator * smoke ????! If he / she / threw this on air ???? Remember the commercials of the bank * Imperial *, but what's far to go? The same Lyonya Golubkov ?!
              And today? Probably still degradation. And as Sasha / e100 / correctly wrote in one of his comments, there is no leap forward.
            12. depressant
              depressant 6 June 2021 10: 56
              +2
              I cannot comment on the new advertisement, but the one that I saw before, otherwise you cannot call it anti-human. Well, imagine, a box of Korkunov chocolates is advertised.
              A luxurious, well-groomed diva in a luxurious evening dress, all, naturally, in jewelry, majestically descends the stairs with gilded railings into the luxurious hall. A gray-haired well-groomed gentleman in a perfectly tailored tailcoat with a box of chocolates in his hands majestically approaches her, and then the diva, depicting unearthly pleasure, pretendingly eats candy ...
              Listen, this is the first channel! I understand the idea: if you want it, try, this is capitalism, everything is in your hands ... So, this is a stupid idea! The conditions of this "pseudo-capitalism are such that

              try, don't try -
              get drunk with caramel,
              chocolate - everything is past the mouth,
              that yummy is not for you!

              In short, advertisers who have studied abroad do not know the realities of their own country. Traders and manufacturers know them. Chocolate "Alenka" has long been produced in Turkey (the brand is sold!), They say, because of the palm tree to impossibility, but cheap: 50 rubles a bar.
            13. Phil77
              Phil77 6 June 2021 14: 27
              +1
              And again not so. Not quite so. Regarding * Alyonka * I will write to you in a personal message now! bully
              * Alyonka * is made on * Rot-Front * - a real, not a chocolate!? Tile. wink
        2. Phil77
          Phil77 6 June 2021 10: 39
          +1
          It seems to me that we have become hostages of the position * do not like it, don’t look *. And this applies to many aspects of life, everyday life, politics. Here is the root of all the failures of the current * civilization *. It is easier to pass by. That turns out very, very bad for ourselves.
        3. depressant
          depressant 6 June 2021 10: 59
          +2
          There is a rapid division into those who govern and those who are governed. The concept of a class society is gradually becoming a thing of the past.
  3. Phil77
    Phil77 6 June 2021 07: 01
    +1
    No, I didn’t look. I probably have some kind of inner rejection for these types. Magicians, sorceresses, sorcerers ... Well, I’ll call them simply charlatans! And yes, a person from the past in the present time would have been oh so hard. Of course, I would have mastered it over time. Over time.
    Good morning to you! hi
  4. depressant
    depressant 6 June 2021 08: 01
    +1
    You know, I have come across mystical phenomena many times in my life. But they concerned only me, were short, had not only long-lasting consequences for me, but at the same time they could not lie down in the outline of predictions made by any fortune-tellers. Prediction is like a dream, a nap, or a hallucination. It is either there or it is not, it is a secret foreboding of man. The fortuneteller cannot predict a premonition!
  5. Phil77
    Phil77 6 June 2021 08: 04
    +1
    This sometimes happened to me. What can I say here? In the * formula of love * the doctor / Bronevoy / expressed his point of view, and he is right!
  6. Phil77
    Phil77 4 June 2021 18: 58
    +4
    Lyudmila Yakovlevna, my dear!
    Wonderful, funny, wonderful movie * Aliens * to help us in this matter! laughing
  7. Catfish
    Catfish 4 June 2021 19: 20
    +5
    As an opposite example, a scene from the film "New Adventures of the Yankees at the Court of King Arthur."

    Duel with ALL Knights of the Round Table. request
  8. depressant
    depressant 4 June 2021 19: 24
    +4
    Seryozha, thanks for reminding)))
    I watched this film with Jean Reno several times - you never get tired of it!
  9. Phil77
    Phil77 4 June 2021 19: 33
    +4
    I'm just laughing !!!

    And then yesterday they accused Europe of unwillingness to wash! laughing laughing laughing
  10. depressant
    depressant 4 June 2021 19: 55
    +4
    I remember that the actors had their teeth blackened on purpose - general caries! We think that in Bosch's paintings, um, how can you get around the robot censor! --- in general, very ugly people, created by the artist's imagination, and on them the usual normal townspeople of that time wassat
  11. Phil77
    Phil77 4 June 2021 21: 09
    +2
    Bosch is a gloomy man, and a gloomy artist, and his paintings are gloomy.

    It follows that the heroes of his paintings ... are also gloomy. The plot is gloomy. bully
  12. depressant
    depressant 4 June 2021 21: 31
    +2
    Yes, you have chosen a "decent" picture. I meant a church triptych where Christ is executed, there are such faces!
  13. Phil77
    Phil77 5 June 2021 09: 33
    +1
    I agree. It's hard to find cute people with him. Impossible? But he's an artist and ... then the famous phrase about * look *. wink Well, he was not lucky with the environment, some faces constantly flashed around. wassat
  14. depressant
    depressant 5 June 2021 12: 43
    +1
    Seryozha, is this how I used to perceive "faces" in Bosch's paintings? As an artistic exaggeration working for the artist's task. And that was wrong. Because it depicts the urban rabble, eating either poorly, or generally with garbage, or even completely hungry. Poor people, infected with the widest range of traits, knows what sores, who do not have access to professional doctors, but only to quarterly quack doctors. And therefore the idea that these people are initially vicious in their mass is a mistake! The life of these people has left a mask of devilish depravity on their faces.
    And therefore, to crucify Christ, Bosch did not drive out into the street representatives of the entirely rich, well-fed and hypocritical estates. To show that he was crucified by human vice, it was enough to release the poor into the square, for whom execution is just a spectacle, entertainment.
  15. Phil77
    Phil77 5 June 2021 12: 59
    +1
    I'll just listen to your opinion, but the faces are nightmarish.
  16. Korsar4
    Korsar4 4 June 2021 20: 30
    +3
    It's a good start. And then I somehow felt sad. But the Walker is strong.
  17. depressant
    depressant 4 June 2021 20: 46
    +3
    Lyric poets like you, Sergei, are supposed to be sad and tormented by the unattainable)))
  18. Phil77
    Phil77 4 June 2021 21: 01
    +2
    Why is it necessary to be sad and tormented? What kind of life will it be in eternal sadness and torment? belay
  19. depressant
    depressant 5 June 2021 07: 27
    +1
    So it was customary to think always! wassat )))
    Anything else was perceived as a manifestation of a cheerful idiot! )))
    At least, everyone thinks that the poet-lyric poet subtly and painfully suffers from the insolubility of the shades of feelings and problems that are incomprehensible to a wide range of readers, and the poet's tribune - from those understandable to everyone)))
  20. Phil77
    Phil77 5 June 2021 07: 33
    +2
    * It is customary to think *? This is not for me, I like to think in spite of.belay
    The best option is to give the floor to the poet himself. * Your word, Comrade Mauser! *.
    Join Sergey, to our morning dive!
    Good morning Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
  21. depressant
    depressant 5 June 2021 08: 42
    +2
    Seryozha, good morning! )))
    Here you are seething with energy, but I do not boil in the morning - the magnetic storm on June 2 was too powerful. Sleep like fainting. I suppose I'll revive a little later. And Sergei has already boiled politically on the subject of Vyacheslav Olegovich about Egyptian stones and, apparently, is thinking now how to boil further.
  22. Phil77
    Phil77 5 June 2021 09: 21
    +1
    Not at all. The mood is rather contemplative, calm, and even a little lyrical. The weather is excellent, I drank coffee, a little housework, but this is a little later. And most importantly! An interesting book! Another. * Pandemic *, Ridll. Let's just say, in the spirit of the times ... the current ones. wink
  23. depressant
    depressant 5 June 2021 14: 00
    +1
    On the topic of "pandemic" I watched a huge amount of Hollywood, as well as Korean and even French. Some of the films are based on books. And if in earlier films, especially in American ones, the viewer somehow was led to the idea that not everything is so bad, that the state is on the side of citizens, that there is justice and sometimes even triumphs - in general, not everything is lost, then in films of the last years preceding the covid, the viewer is told bluntly and rudely that everything is gone.
    What does this mean? Taking into account the fact that we are not at all controlled by consciousness, but by the subconscious, the inevitability of population reduction is laid in it. So that it does not come as a surprise to us and we do not particularly flutter when we see that one day the streets and apartments will somehow especially clearly begin to empty.
    However, empty cities, empty villages, ruined settlements are already everywhere.
    Is it urbanization?
  24. Korsar4
    Korsar4 5 June 2021 10: 14
    +1
    Has it boiled?
    This is the work of a teapot. And today is the season of tea with milk.
  25. depressant
    depressant 5 June 2021 10: 28
    +1
    You, Sergei, are not a kettle in the current sense of the word, hee-hee ... You are a thoughtful wagon titanium wassat )))
  26. Korsar4
    Korsar4 5 June 2021 19: 20
    +2
    It's good that the carriage. I always liked it.
  27. depressant
    depressant 5 June 2021 19: 34
    +2
    Well then! Non-titanium titans - there is such a murky history of mating behavior and life twists and turns that a cozy titanium carriage and the clatter of wheels is a celebration of a clean and bright life)))
  28. Korsar4
    Korsar4 5 June 2021 10: 13
    +2
    I do not know. Probably not familiar with poets.
    And to be upset over trifles suggests that there is free time.
    Here it is important to understand whether you are relaxing or lounging.
    I spurred myself - and to work.
    We have already said that someone is behind any miracle.
  29. depressant
    depressant 5 June 2021 10: 34
    +1
    Agree! There is not someone behind my miracle today, but something. To carry out her own resuscitation, she washed the junk and began to hang it on the loggias. The sun! The sun hit my eyes so that it almost fell out of the third floor - it's good that it didn't hit the kidneys. Railings, however.
  30. Korsar4
    Korsar4 5 June 2021 05: 24
    +2
    Can I smile better? Or something will be lost.
  31. depressant
    depressant 5 June 2021 10: 45
    +1
    Your smiles are not visible, Sergei. And it's not about smilies. Which, for example, I scatter widely. And if you remove them, then my fierce sadness will be visible. But why strain society? He is already facing serious trials, but one should not run ahead of them, exciting the respectable audience with the locality of his own bitterness. A drop of ink in the jar and the water is already colored. I will not paint the water with my own blood and bile. I'd better do this on occasion by the results of the prescriptions of the world analytical groups, in the effectiveness of which Alexander today expressed doubt in Shpakovsky. And I join Vyacheslav Olegovich and you. Somewhere in a recent forum, I already said that the mass of quiet people who do not take part in political showdowns objectively contribute to the survival of the human population.
  32. Phil77
    Phil77 5 June 2021 12: 31
    +2
    Alas and ah! And then this * mass of quiet people * is surprised and upset, but why do we live so badly?. * Not taking part in political showdowns. * Or maybe, for a start, go to the polls and vote against the * party in power * that arranged for us fabulous life? This is for a start.
  33. Phil77
    Phil77 5 June 2021 13: 03
    +1
    I’ll add: You love the Strugatskys, don’t you? And what did Rumata say to the blacksmith? Not word for word, of course, but the meaning is preserved.
    * -Do you hope to sit back? These are such quiet and meek, and they cut first of all. *.
  34. depressant
    depressant 5 June 2021 14: 32
    +2
    Rumata was a naive commune, offering the hard worker to raise a riot in the absence of at least some ideology with a tinge of justice to everyone. In the same place, in the book, it is shown by the example of some, I don’t remember what was called, the people's leader, to which jumping over the stages of social development leads, and even with the complete destruction of scientific thought ...
    Seryozha, in our time, the quiet and meek can only be slaughtered by marauders. And only in case of war. When at least some wealthy population rushes to the NATO borders in panic, and it, the population, rushes - do not hesitate, and the apartments of the rushed will be robbed, and on the way to the NATO borders, many of the fugitives will be robbed, if not all in a row. or in another way - and then, when the loot goes, by the way, very quickly to the owners of grocery warehouses and there will be absolutely nothing for the bandits to eat, as well as the quiet, which means the poor, then the quiet, which means the poor, will begin to eat until it is too much emaciated wassat ))))))
    Yes, I’m grimly kidding. And yet, as long as there is no war, the quiet have no chance of becoming a gastronomic product.
  35. Phil77
    Phil77 5 June 2021 14: 40
    +2
    I will call this comment-pessimistically unhealthy. Gloomy. Deprived of vitality. Color-black.
    As a result, not mine.
  36. Phil77
    Phil77 5 June 2021 14: 43
    +1
    And Rumata was a man of action, not a naive commune, like Baron Pampa, which is why he was attractive.
  37. depressant
    depressant 5 June 2021 16: 10
    +2
    Seryozha, yes I did not doubt your answer! You are the bright, warm sun of the VO site!
    good drinks wassat ))))
  38. Phil77
    Phil77 5 June 2021 18: 26
    +2
    Oh, Lyudmila Yakovlevna! Looks like we have changed places? And who subjected me to serious criticism for praising your comments, eh ???
    wink
  39. depressant
    depressant 5 June 2021 19: 12
    +2
    Inversion, my friend, inversion of the situation, my mind likes to look at everything this way and that, and even turn it over. But a reversal of the situation does not mean a rejection of assessment. It's just that with the voice acting it turns out like on my phone: you can hear it quietly, just move the mark on the scale - a roar is heard. At your request, I screw the roar wassat )))
  40. depressant
    depressant 5 June 2021 14: 08
    +2
    Seryozha, if elections are fictitious in the "epicenter of democracy and rule of law," which the United States is considered to be, then I think we should finally stop indulging ourselves with illusions.
  41. Phil77
    Phil77 5 June 2021 14: 22
    +2
    You are not right.
  42. depressant
    depressant 5 June 2021 14: 53
    +1
    Seryozha ... If you only knew how I envy you! But didn’t your faith in the possibility of an ordinary voter get hurt by the elections in the "epicenter of democracy"? While she, this faith, was shattered at the very "epicenter"! Where do you think the pogrom of the monuments of the "fathers" of this very democracy? From a sudden insight! Or rather, not suddenly, the eyes opened gradually. Well now opened wide. So what? The puppeteers grinned: "Smash! Break the valuables!" In the absence of the USSR, a considerable amount has been accumulated to bring the electorate to its knees throughout the world. The thought worked hard to deceive you, Seryozha. And in the opposite direction, how to raise the human spirit did not work at all. Elections? Will be chosen! Whoever is needed will be chosen, even under the guise of the EP, even the updated Socialist-Revolutionaries.
    But I, as a diligent citizen, will go to vote. For the communists. Just for the name. Realizing that this is all pointless.
  43. Phil77
    Phil77 5 June 2021 15: 19
    +1
    What to envy? Just as Pavel Luspekaev used to say through the lips of his hero: * It is better, of course, to suffer ... *.
    And the American example is not convincing, they had harder difficulties than these * riots *, and nothing-live.
  44. Korsar4
    Korsar4 5 June 2021 19: 22
    +1
    I wonder what needs to be done so that they can be seen?
    Selfie? Not a fan.
  45. Phil77
    Phil77 4 June 2021 20: 57
    +2
    Hi Sergey! Why? Why is it sad? The film is extremely funny, both the first and the second. Here is the third, yes, it did not work out. In my opinion.
  46. Korsar4
    Korsar4 5 June 2021 05: 28
    +2
    Hello Seryozha! I do not know. Simply, it became somewhat similar, as Celentano explained that you have to laugh when you slip on a banana peel.

    I liked the first film very much. Even included reviewing after a while. But in the middle, something went wrong.
  47. Phil77
    Phil77 5 June 2021 05: 33
    +2
    Good morning! Well, it happens. I have a number of reasons for the love of this film. French cinema. Jean Reno. The plot. Filmed with high quality. I love to laugh. laughing
  48. Korsar4
    Korsar4 5 June 2021 05: 46
    +2
    Good morning!
    I know very little of foreign films and actors. But Jean Reno remembered.
    Probably in conversation when he tried to tell.

    And the episode when children want to sit under the table is quite suitable in family life.
  49. Catfish
    Catfish 4 June 2021 19: 15
    +4
    Luda love I served with them in the army, and it's not a matter of nationality, there were plenty of dense Neanderthals among the Russians, this is just one of those who rush with a pitchfork onto a locomotive and blow on a light bulb to extinguish it. wassat
    And as for the modern Russian man in the Middle Ages, it depends on what kind of person, and his own "bare" hands will be enough for another to break the necks of several aborigines at once, and even if there is a machine gun at hand ...
    So I agree with Sergei.
  50. depressant
    depressant 4 June 2021 19: 48
    +5
    And I do not insist on my opinion)))
    I am only presenting one of the lines of a wide range of opinions applied to myself. And about the special forces, it also occurred to me. Well, the then heroes did not know the basics of modern hand-to-hand combat. This is when some skinny-looking person can at once put a wardrobe-like and his horse into the bargain wassat )))
  51. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 5 June 2021 20: 22
    0
    Quote: depressant
    He simply ignores the need for these actions and, having learned a few common words, quite takes root in our reality, considering it alien to himself, but nevertheless accessible to him for life due to the very great tolerance of local Russians ...
    wassat ))))
    And you try to express "your opinion" on the Internet - different from the opinion of site visitors ...
    How long will your "avatar" live - imagine that each "minus" is a "thrown stone" sad

    Quote: depressant

    Well, tell me, does the roof of the Kyrgyz, who came to us from some mountain village, go? Does he have a roof on the need to drain the water in the toilet and take care of the toilet bowl and stove in the kitchen (the owners groan!)? Yes, not at all! He simply ignores the need for the specified actions. wassat ))))
    And how do they live in the "mountain village" ...
    how they cope ...
    how food is prepared ...
    The question is how do Arabs (yesterday's Bedouins) live in the UAE? - not newcomers to seasonal work, but "indigenous Bedouins" living in Dubai or Abu Dhabi, is it really the same as in the "desert village"?
    You can recall Singapore and local rules of conduct, which are imposed not by the "local population", but by the state -
    Penalty for thrown cigarette butt or gum = S $ 500
    Is it really for you and me (Russians, Muscovites, etc., etc.) to look for an urn in order to throw out a cigarette butt on the street ...
    There is an urn in the smoking-room and everything is fine, but the question is about the street.

    Quote: depressant
    If a bear or a wolf does not have time to gnaw him before that wassat ))))
    attack of stray dogs in ulan-ud
    News 2021 wassat
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 4 June 2021 20: 26
    +3
    The circles that the bird of prey makes.
    1. depressant
      depressant 4 June 2021 21: 41
      +1
      The predators circled over the house,
      And my back is in the corners,
      No breath, only my heart was beating
      It's a fig in your pocket - here you are!
  • cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 5 June 2021 10: 06
    +1
    Quote: Korsar4
    Everything will return.
    "He who has ears - hears" (c).
    Russian America to Native Harbor yes
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 5 June 2021 10: 15
      +1
      We'll see.
      Let's listen to Candida - dig up something.
  • Phil77
    Phil77 4 June 2021 18: 36
    +5
    Easter is a church holiday, not everyone celebrates it. But I sadly watched on May 9 / when the fireworks started / and in NG the empty central street of my district. Earlier these days people always gathered and cheerfully, drunkenly and at ease celebrated. The last few years -silence, diluted with a few firecrackers. stop Sad and sad.
    1. depressant
      depressant 4 June 2021 19: 13
      +4
      The same is with us)))
      The epidemic has consolidated the situation. Outside the window in the evenings one can hear only the carefree laughter of grown-up youngsters, jokes. About 10 years ago, the grandmothers would have jumped up and would have yelled, they say, they interfere with sleep. And now everyone is quietly rejoicing that we still have this very young and let him! Was it like that in the 13th century? We are different.
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 4 June 2021 19: 15
        +4
        But regarding the * epidemic *. Estonia and Israel canceled the mask regime, from June 1. And another thing. Yesterday, during the break of the hockey match, the program * Vremya * showed Mishustin's visit to the opened children's hospital. And he and his servants were ... without masks! Petrograd economic forum. The same picture, who is wearing a mask, who is not, who has it on his chin. Well, how do you like this * pandemic *, huh? Truly- * Kin-dza-dza *. Prophet-Danelia! bully
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 4 June 2021 19: 16
      +4
      Sad and sad.


      Hello Seryoga! Precisely noticed. drinks
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 4 June 2021 19: 22
        +4
        Hello my friend!
        It’s hard not to notice and compare with the RECENT past. Only a few years have passed and how the people and their mood have changed.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 4 June 2021 19: 26
          +4
          Each sat in his cell and locked himself with a hundred bolts. This is politics - it is easier for a divided people to soar their brains.
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 4 June 2021 19: 29
            +3
            Yes, yes, exactly! Plus the constant lies from all the irons.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 4 June 2021 19: 23
    +5
    There are no sails on today's frigates,
    Only the roar of turbines under the radar grids.
    And I have not seen children's dreams for a long time,
    And I don't waste my time on dreams.

    I apologize for the clumsy calm, I'm not a poet, but the thought is probably clear?
    1. depressant
      depressant 4 June 2021 20: 13
      +2
      How understandable, Kostya!
      But my question is: is it possible to attack such a "roar of turbines under the radar grids" as in "Pirates of the XX century"?
      Here, notice how in M. Ivanov's illustration to the ballad "Boriva" a warrior inadvertently opened himself, brandishing a battle ax. Everyone opened up there!
      What is the combat training of the "roar of the turbines" sailors? Will they be able to resist the "creeping tiger and the hidden dragon"? )))
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 4 June 2021 20: 28
        +3
        Will they be able to resist the "creeping tiger ...?)))

        It depends on what kind of fangs the tiger has, what is the preparation of the crew and the quality of the ship itself.
        Remember the Falklands, how many ships with "roaring turbines" were sent to the bottom by the "banana" Argentines? True, they did not brandish axes either. smile
        But as in "Pirates of the XX century" it will not come out, a warship - it is a warship - will shoot these pirates like rabbits, and now there are no fools to jump "with a bare heel on a saber." laughing
        1. depressant
          depressant 4 June 2021 21: 28
          +1
          Kostya, comforting!)))
          And then I look at the plows - the mutual boarding in the conditions of instability of both boats is a little scary. In "Vikings" I do not remember that the boats turned over when Bolo fought - a good, powerful scene, but in Ivanov's drawing the boats are smaller, a crowd of people on one side will turn this over. To prevent this from happening, apparently, they knew how to direct the plow.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 4 June 2021 21: 47
            +1
            Luda, cinema - it is also cinema in Africa. request
  • parusnik
    parusnik 4 June 2021 05: 59
    +7
    It must be borne in mind that these are still works of art and are written, as they say, based on motives. A.S. Pushkin, for example, turned Salieri into a murderer and mediocrity, although this was far from the case.
    1. novel66
      novel66 4 June 2021 08: 34
      +6
      but what lines ..
      You walked to me with this
      And I could stop at the inn
      And listen to the blind fiddler! - God!
      You, Mozart, are unworthy of yourself.
  • tlauicol
    tlauicol 4 June 2021 06: 23
    +11


    pictures from childhood) Collection "Kurgan" by Tolstoy.
    even in Pushkin's "Boriva and His Sons", Maikov "Emshan" is easy to read by children
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 4 June 2021 07: 59
      +5
      sorry, "Budrys and His Sons" by Pushkin
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 4 June 2021 08: 26
        +4
        It's still different. Although it is also a ballad. And the music of the verse fits well.
    2. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 4 June 2021 12: 09
      +4
      pictures from childhood) Collection "Kurgan" by Tolstoy.

      We had one too .. thanks! drinks
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 4 June 2021 12: 20
        +5
        Quote: Pan Kohanku
        pictures from childhood) Collection "Kurgan" by Tolstoy.

        We had one too .. thanks! drinks

        A good book, but its cover was liquid, I remember. Also "The Trojan War and Its Heroes", etc. - quickly torn and worn out, and the pictures remained in the memory
        1. depressant
          depressant 4 June 2021 14: 26
          +5
          And I had a huge light blue, with gold embossed "Kalevala". And once she knew these lines by heart:

          One wish came to me
          I have one thought
          Be ready to sing
          And rather start a word
          To sing the song of my ancestors to me
          Our kind of tunes.
          Words are already melting on the lips,
          Are spreading with speeches
          They strive for the tongue,
          Open my teeth.
          My golden friend and brother,
          Dear childhood friend!
          We will sing with you together
          You and I will speak a word.
          Finally we saw
          On both sides have now converged!
          We are rarely together
          We rarely go to each other
          In this poor space,
          In the edge of the north, miserable.
          So give me your hands
          Put our fingers together
          We will sing glorious songs,
          Starting with the very best;
          Let friends hear the singing
          Let them heartily
          Between the growing youth
          In the growing people ...

          Pay attention to the last eight verses. Does Schiller's Ode to Joy echo with him? )))
          And she studied the heroic epics of Ancient Russia from the tales of A.S. Pushkin.
          Everything was ... It was, but I forgot the beginning of "Kalevala". I only remembered Ilmarinen.
  • Van 16
    Van 16 4 June 2021 06: 47
    +9
    An unexpected and very interesting article!
    1. Richard
      Richard 4 June 2021 09: 06
      +7
      I agree with you, Ivan, very interesting, but why unexpected? Valery had a whole literary and historical cycle.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 4 June 2021 09: 15
        +7
        Two. One according to hudlit, the second according to epics.
        Dmitry! hi
      2. Van 16
        Van 16 4 June 2021 12: 03
        +5
        There has been nothing like that for a long time. However, you have already been answered above hi
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 4 June 2021 07: 02
    +8
    Six months have passed since the publication of the previous material of the literary-historical cycle.
    Thank you, Valery!
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 4 June 2021 07: 15
    +6
    Even at school, in one sitting, I swallowed a "junk" four-volume (in my opinion) A. K. Tolstoy. Very much. "In the bell, peacefully hanging, from the raid of a heavy bomb ...". Didn't google it on purpose. For memory. I could be wrong.

    "As the saying goes, A. Tolstoy began" for health, "and ended with some unbearably cloying loyal oil."

    The author, well, that's why? Now everything is different. There is no loyal oil either in the press or on TV channels, or in the speeches of our beloved and wise politicians and leaders.
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 4 June 2021 08: 28
      +6
      I agree. Transparent verses in Tolstoy: even in love lyrics, even in historical ballads. Because they are passed through themselves.

      And as O. Mityaev sang relatively recently:
      "And it never happens otherwise."
    2. Richard
      Richard 4 June 2021 08: 45
      +6
      Very much. "In the bell, peacefully hanging, from the raid of a heavy bomb ...". Didn't google it on purpose. For memory. I could be wrong.

      In the bell, peacefully dozing, from a raid heavy bomb
      She rushed. With a crash around her, fragments flew from her,
      He gave a start - and to the people mighty copper sounds
      In the distance flowed, indignant, buzzing and calling for battle.

      Even at school, in one sitting, I swallowed a "junk" four-volume (in my opinion) A. K. Tolstoy

      I got a four-volume book from my parents, but not a “junk” one. Mother, EMNIP, followed it in the bookstore every day to check in the queue. In the 70s, this was the norm.
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 4 June 2021 09: 23
        +3
        Quote: Richard
        Very much. "In the bell, peacefully hanging, from the raid of a heavy bomb ...". Didn't google it on purpose. For memory. I could be wrong.

        In the bell, peacefully dozing, from a raid heavy bomb
        She rushed. With a crash around her, fragments flew from her,
        He gave a start - and to the people mighty copper sounds
        In the distance flowed, indignant, buzzing and calling for battle.

        Even at school, in one sitting, I swallowed a "junk" four-volume (in my opinion) A. K. Tolstoy

        I got a four-volume book from my parents, but not a “junk” one. Mother, EMNIP, followed it in the bookstore every day to check in the queue. In the 70s, this was the norm.


        A similar four-volume edition. But we, it seems, got it for waste paper. The very end of the 70s - the beginning of the 80s. I was twelve years old then.
        1. Richard
          Richard 4 June 2021 09: 33
          +4
          Apparently in different places of the Union it was different. In our outback, "junk" books appeared only in the second half of the 80s.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 4 June 2021 14: 25
            +3
            In the capitals of the republics somewhere also))
  • Undecim
    Undecim 4 June 2021 07: 41
    +7
    "Vasily Shivanov"

    The work is called "Vasily Shibanov".
    Historical analysis of the ballads of A.K. Tolstoy

    The idea, of course, is great. True, given the fact that it is at the junction of history and literary criticism, it is difficult to implement, which the author's first article showed.
    Nevertheless, it makes sense to start a historical analysis of the literary works of any author with an analysis of his worldview, since without this it is impossible to understand either why the author turned to history in general, or why he presented historical events in his works in this way and not otherwise. The author paid no attention to this issue at all.
    It is difficult to give an answer to the above question in a commentary format, therefore I will simply quote the textbook of literary studies with the definition of the literary direction, the representative of which was A.K. Tolstoy

    And one more quote.
    "The creative heritage of the writer can in no way be considered outside the relationship with the special nature of his worldview," in the era of disorder and turmoil - the end of the 40s - 60s - he stubbornly did not occupy any definite position that allowed - and allows - to rank him among this or that current ... ".
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 4 June 2021 08: 29
      +5
      "Two camps are not a fighter,
      But only a random guest ”(c).
      1. Richard
        Richard 4 June 2021 08: 56
        +4
        Sergey, good morning
        Marina Tsvetaeva, in my opinion, simply gorgeous continued these poems by A.K. Tolstoy
        “Not a fighter of two staves: the plaintiff-hostage judge.
        Two - an anti-killer! The spirit is an anti-killer. " (from).
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 4 June 2021 09: 55
          +5
          Good morning, Dmitriy
          It is no coincidence that I perceive A.K.Tolstoy as the forerunner of the Silver Age.
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 4 June 2021 08: 01
    +4
    It remains to walk along V. Pikul.
    1. novel66
      novel66 4 June 2021 08: 35
      +5
      there is where to roam lol
    2. Richard
      Richard 4 June 2021 09: 09
      +9
      It remains to walk along V. Pikul.

      Yes, on the historical prose of Shpakovsky, it would also not be bad to "walk" with comments smile
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 4 June 2021 12: 37
        +7
        Do meritorious Richard, I would be very grateful. But what is the best place to start? With "People and Weapons", or "Three from Ensk" book 1,2 ... Just returned from the archive, read "Pravda" for 1950. There is a review (sorry I did not write down the newspaper issue) of Kataev's novel "For the Power of the Soviets", a sequel to "The sail is turning white ...". At this level ...
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 4 June 2021 13: 31
          +4
          There is a review (sorry I didn't write down the newspaper issue) of Kataev's novel "For the Power of Soviets", a sequel to "The sail is turning white ...".

          Are you getting ready for the next bucket of slops on your head, Vyacheslav Olegovich? wink But the discussion will be just like that ... You don't have to write the number down, the "patriots" will not check it anyway. hi so ... just eat "that one" with a spoon. fellow Basically, I've been watching this picture for four and a half years.drinks
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 4 June 2021 14: 46
            +8
            1) The enemy of the communists, Shpakovsky, who was hiding behind a party card for disguise, cowardly throws the blame on the communists for the collapse of the USSR, the best national state of the Russian people ...
            2) Over a glass of tea we discussed, I remember, with people who graduated from various universities and who have been on business trips more than once, the peculiarities of the arrangement of sanitary and hygienic units in the penitentiary institutions of the Komi Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic ... So, after lengthy discussions and dozens of packs of Krasnodar Tea with Stavropol Halva, the theme for the Halitation of one candidate for academic work was "whose behavior of the prisoners who have taken the path of correction resembles the articles of Shpakovsky."
            3) And under the Soviet Union they gave me a free ticket to Lazarevskaya - I refused. To the sanatorium with "Sandpaper" toilet paper, which the staff consisted of honest Soviet people did not always manage to snatch away, replacing it with last year's newspaper "Khleborob Kuban"! And Shpakovsky, who freely traveled to Bulgaria during the Soviet Union, glorifies the current Russia, where you can go for free to the semi-star hotel "Mkrtchyan and Sivan"!
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 4 June 2021 15: 03
              +5
              The enemy of the communists, Shpakovsky, who was hiding behind a party card for disguise, cowardly throws the blame on the communists for the collapse of the USSR, the best national state of the Russian people ...

              You just wrote the outline of the seminar. belay Simple and clear, for every point. good In general, here is a list of questions VO Shpakovsky can start teaching. bully
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 4 June 2021 15: 07
                +5
                These are the June theses of Krasnodar yes
                1. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 4 June 2021 15: 15
                  +5
                  These are the June theses of Krasnodar

                  Plenum on the topic: "How can we equip Russia and VO Shpakovsky personally?" laughing You have identified the questions ... wink I just didn’t give the correct answers. stop Which tutorial to watch? drinks
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 4 June 2021 16: 04
                    +3
                    There is only one correct answer:
                    Shpakovsky is to blame for everything, who during the Soviet Union never disdained to drink Bulgarian fortified wine behind the back of the proletariat! negative
                    It:
                    a) led to the collapse of the Union and the Russians, instead of one Soviet bathing day a week, are forced to wash every day, due to the standard of appearance, which is alien to the super-ethnos of Hyperborea, imposed by the West with the connivance of the enemies of the Communists
                    b) Shpakovsky's behavior resembles the way of thinking of a prison librarian from a pre-trial detention center at the Faculty of Early German Literature at the University. Goethe (Frankfurt am Main)
                    c) Because of people like Shpakovsky, you have to invest in your own development and search for a job in order to relax in Sochi and the surrounding area.
                    Conclusion:
                    Shpakovsky deprived my grandchildren of a guaranteed trip on the trade union line to the Arkhipo-Osipovka sanatorium am
                    1. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 4 June 2021 16: 44
                      +5
                      Shpakovsky deprived my grandchildren of a guaranteed trip on the trade union line to the Arkhipo-Osipovka sanatorium

                      From the totality of his actions, it becomes strange that he hasn’t put any of us in our pants yet ... wassat
                      Vyacheslav Olegovich, dear moderators - do not be offended by our friendly jokes! It's just that a certain category of site visitors has a tendency, you know-what - do not feed bread and lard, but let the poop run in Shpakovsky! laughing with respect to all drinks
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 4 June 2021 17: 21
                        +1
                        Here I am about the same thing - unscrews a beautiful fairy tale about a beautiful life under Soviet socialism in a single country
                      2. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 5 June 2021 13: 46
                        +2
                        unscrews a beautiful fairy tale about a beautiful life under Soviet socialism in a single country

                        You see .. it's time to mention the word "mentality". Whatever system - one hell, feudalism will turn out. We need centuries and a normal upbringing ... I don’t want to talk about multinationality at all. what
                      3. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 5 June 2021 15: 55
                        +1
                        What's wrong with her - multinationality? laughing
                      4. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 6 June 2021 20: 03
                        +2
                        What's wrong with her - multinationality?

                        Sorry, I didn't put it that way. If you take me personally and you personally, then nothing bad! drinks I will say the following ... There are a number of regions with different cultures in Russia. Plus a huge number of migrants who are also culturally different.
                        As if, let's understand ... there are certain differences in mentality. And this does not contribute to the rapid construction of mutual understanding between cultures that already live on the same land... This means that we will build a calm society that suits everyone for a longer time.
                        There should be a set of measures, primarily legislative and executive ones. For some reason, they don't write about Nosovibirsk on the site ...
                        But the topic is dangerous. I suggest not to discuss. drinks
                      5. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 6 June 2021 22: 55
                        +1
                        And, now I understood, I was slowing down, sorry drinks
  • ee2100
    ee2100 4 June 2021 19: 30
    +5
    Nikolai, good evening!
    "I've been watching this picture for 4 years" and why not ask the question "why?"
    The site vilifies Mr. Samsonov, but there is no open negative towards him. And all the other authors of the site are all "handshake".
    When Shpakovsky writes about his forgeries, there are no questions for him about weapons. It could be better, but also so good, thanks for bringing up the topic.
    But when he tries to teach, explain how an extremely complex subject should be studied history, and in general how hard it was for him (a communist, candidate of historical sciences) to live under decaying socialism and now they do not appreciate him. You can't get into the archive, bribes (sweets) must be given, etc.
    And here a good and in fact a good part of the community of this sub-site is rightly indignant - we do not believe it! Lies! Changeling!
    Do not feel sorry for this character, not worthy.
    He wants a scandal, a tub of slops on his head. He wants to get it.
    The first one does not conflict with him. They wrote that they didn't like it and that's it!
    It is his style to demean a person.
    He's like a vampire - feeds on negativity.
    I don't know what it was like before, but now there is bile with feces.
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 5 June 2021 12: 59
      +2
      The site vilifies Mr. Samsonov, but there is no open negative towards him. And all the other authors of the site are all "handshake".

      Because Samsonov is no longer mentioned at all. For tired. Either he writes sur or rewrites chapters from textbooks. request
      The first one does not conflict with him. They wrote that they didn't like it and that's it!

      He writes provocations, and does not participate in the discussion. Many people believe that the samsons are several people. Makes clicks! That's why he is not shaking hands. And I remember an article with 1000 comments - that, they say, there was no Mongol! But is it being printed? Unfortunately, they are printing! Then we enjoy Zadornovschina and haplogroups ... No.
      When Shpakovsky writes about his forgeries, there are no questions for him about weapons. It could be better, but also so good, thanks for bringing up the topic.

      Alexander, here you have to look a little "in depth". wink I will not say that I agree with all the texts of Vyacheslav Olegovich ... The point is different. Our company has been developing since 2016. And it gathered under the articles of Shpakovsky. Because it provides easy cognitive material. We gradually grew as corresponding members. The last ones to "join" are you and the Bolt Cutter. That is, our Vyacheslav Olegovich is for us not even so much an author, but the creator of a "sandbox for communication", where we all run - to chat among ourselves. Moreover, Shpakovsky himself participates in the discussion, for which he is a plus. hi
      Therefore, even if I disagree, I can skip the flaws of the articles or behavior.
      The company is important! drinks Where no one quarrels ... How we differ from most of the forum VO. And we created this company ourselves! But the site is provided by Shpakovsky, Ryzhov, and sometimes by Yuferev. Previously, Sherzad was printed.
      Something like that! drinks
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 5 June 2021 13: 12
        +1
        Ay, beautifully pissed-said! Wah!
        But seriously, * the meeting place cannot be changed *! hi Glad to communicate! bully
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 5 June 2021 13: 24
          +1
          But seriously, * the meeting place cannot be changed *!

          Oh, you prodigal son! Returned! drinks
          Glad to communicate!

          - I adore PeZhe ...
          - And I’m even more of him!
          ("Kin-Dza-Dza") good Sergey, what would we do without you!
          Ay, beautifully pissed-said! Wah!

          This is just a short course on the rules of our Kumpanstvo. I think everyone will agree. yes
          You can love, not love Shpakovsky. You can poke his nose and Ryzhov into inconsistencies. But let's do it culturally, comrades! stop
          For ... if not so .. where are we going to gather? request Under Samsonov or haraluzhny? Do you need it? drinks There is a unique combination on the site - nice articles and our company. good Moreover, we have experience of communicating with the stray inhabitants of the "opinions" section ... what Did anyone like it? lol
          So let's take care of it! This is much more expensive than swearing! By the way, this is what we are different ... drinks And for this many people do not like us! Like, snobs! It's hard to be smart and conflict-free ... bully
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 5 June 2021 13: 34
            +1
            Actually, I’m still from * unwashed Europe * in the company of Alex / Boltorez / I’m present, and last night with Sergei / Corsair /, with Konstantin / Morkot /, with dear Lyudmila Yakovlevna, I deigned to talk. So no, I’m in the presence. topics, different discussions, that's not met. laughing
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 5 June 2021 13: 50
              +1
              Yes, I’m actually still from * unwashed Europe * in the company of Alex / Boltorez / I’m present, and last night with Sergei / Corsair /, with Konstantin / Morkot /, I deigned to talk to the dear Lyudmila Yakovlevna.

              No kidding - the syllable of Poroshin, the teacher of Tsarevich Paul, 1764. But! good
              So no, I’m in the presence. Different topics, different discussions, so we didn’t meet.

              Here look. wink We are all different. Education, place of residence, habits and cockroaches. Even nationalities and confessions are sometimes different. request But are we together? Together. This is expensive! good That they found each other on a whim! drinks
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 5 June 2021 14: 31
                +1

                I just like the old style of communication. It has its own charm, although some elements of slang attract. But the last phrase is surprisingly similar to the words of Sergei * Corsair *! bully Jumped straight out of my head, huh?
              2. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 6 June 2021 19: 49
                +1
                But the last phrase is surprisingly similar to the words of Sergei * Corsair *! bully I jumped out of my head, huh?

                Sergei is laconic, but .. you know, such a feeling - "a true intellectual"! In a good sense of the word!
                You understand how many years I have met in our company - many are always amazed. That is, deep knowledge and the same experience are hidden behind the humor of everyone.
                I just like the old style of communication.

                I can send you Poroshin's diary tomorrow. Surprisingly similar to your inventions! drinks
              3. Phil77
                Phil77 6 June 2021 20: 36
                +1
                It would be nice. Fb2? I like it, I really like that manner of conversation of our ancestors. I love the appeal to a young lady. Sometimes I use it, but they blush cutely. Class! But the address, sir, I can't stomach.
              4. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 6 June 2021 20: 42
                +2
                Sometimes I use it, and they blush cutely. Class! But the appeal, sir, I can't stomach it.

                Notice, Comrade! drinks
              5. Phil77
                Phil77 6 June 2021 20: 53
                +1
                What? Sounds! drinks
  • ee2100
    ee2100 5 June 2021 14: 00
    +2
    Hey! I'll come and discuss. I'm going to take the PCR test on Monday and move on Tuesday.
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 5 June 2021 14: 10
      +1
      I'll come and discuss. I'm going to take the PCR test on Monday and move on Tuesday.

      Think small, small, monsignor. stop Let's have a drink too! yes Penza gin ... drinks Or whatever! good
      1. ee2100
        ee2100 5 June 2021 15: 18
        +2
        Note, I didn’t suggest it!
  • Richard
    Richard 4 June 2021 14: 45
    +5
    If you please, Richard, I will be very grateful. But what is the best place to start? With "People and Weapons", or "Three from Ensk" book 1,2 ... Just returned from the archive, read "Pravda" for 1950. There is a review (sorry I didn't write down the newspaper issue) of Kataev's novel "For the Power of Soviets", a sequel to "The sail is turning white ...". At this level

    It will not work at this level. There is no basic knowledge on this topic, so I want to know the opinion of readers.
    I have only one book by Shpakovsky at home. I reread it regularly and with great pleasure. A very strong and specific thing. You can't come up with this on purpose - there everyone, even the smallest everyday nuance, involuntarily betrays a direct participant in the events. The book is very useful and relevant. I would have known her earlier during the service - by order, I would have forced all my officers to read it.
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 4 June 2021 15: 31
      +5
      I have only one book by Shpakovsky at home.

      By the way, I even found his second book on the internet, free of charge - "For those who love to tinker".
      Colleagues, has anyone visited the site of the reenactors - http://reenactor.ru/?
      Highly recommend some sections, accidentally found. Come in, press "forum", go down, until you run into the "archive". There is a lot of literature! Moreover, there are articles from all kinds of scientific conferences and other things. And this is exactly what - normal sources, and not "one grandmother said." Recommend! Knowledge is power, my friends! drinks
      1. Richard
        Richard 4 June 2021 15: 49
        +4
        I have only one book by Shpakovsky at home.

        But this is not Vyacheslav Olegovich Shpakovsky,
        this is Apollon Ignatovich Shpakovsky "Notes of an old Plastun. Cossacks on the Labinsk Line".
        The book was written more than a hundred years ago - it was first published in the magazines "Russian Invalid", 1874, No. 213. and "Illustrated Week", 1874, No. 41, but with its nuances it is still useful and relevant for border guards, intelligence officers, pathfinders, hunters (cross out unnecessary)

        The author is a Plastun non-commissioned officer, then an officer - for 17 years he served in the Caucasian troops and participated in all the most important events of the Caucasian war, until a severe wound put him out of action and forced him to leave military service. For his military exploits A.I.Shpakovsky was awarded the soldier's insignia of the military order of St. George 3rd and 4th century, officer orders of St. Anna 3 and 4 degrees and St. Stanislav 2,3 and 4 st. He was wounded twice with melee weapons and once with a rifle bullet. Apollon Ignatovich Shpakovsky died on August 23, 1874 from the consequences of his injury.
        1. Richard
          Richard 4 June 2021 16: 14
          +2
          By the way, I even found his second book on the internet, free of charge - "For those who love to tinker".

          Nikolay, I'll send you two more books by Vyacheslav Olegovich in fb2
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 4 June 2021 16: 50
            +5
            Nikolay, I'll send you two more books by Vyacheslav Olegovich in fb2

            Sent allaverds - three books in PDF. Available in the internet in the public domain. drinks
            1. depressant
              depressant 4 June 2021 22: 10
              +3
              By the way, Nikolai, it would be nice for Vyacheslav Olegovich to announce in advance which of his books we will discuss. Otherwise, it makes no sense to go to the forum. Do not get off with general phrases.
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 5 June 2021 13: 28
                +4
                By the way, Nikolai, it would be nice for Vyacheslav Olegovich to announce in advance which of his books we will discuss.

                It is necessary to announce to him in advance what epithets the community of "patriots" will shower with ... fellow To take an antiseptic and a foam for washing - wipe the speckled traces of poop from the face. laughing love
                1. depressant
                  depressant 5 June 2021 22: 42
                  +2
                  Yes, he seems to be familiar. Or am I underestimating the delicate, vulnerable soul of the artist of the historical word? And his pillow is wet from tears wassat )))

                  Sorry, Nikolay, for not having noticed your comment earlier. Apparently flipped through the bell hi )))
                2. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 6 June 2021 20: 04
                  +3
                  Yes, he seems to be familiar. Or am I underestimating the delicate, vulnerable soul of the artist of the historical word? And his pillow is wet from tears

                  I've known him for five years. I think he himself knows what kind of reaction will follow from some of the participants in the VO forum. drinks
                3. depressant
                  depressant 6 June 2021 20: 39
                  +3
                  You joker, Nikolai!)))
                  Of course, a person gets used to everything, but negativity is not a matter of habit. Placed in the grave of the subconscious, it undermines the health of its owner, slowly but persistently pulling him into the real one. Hmmm ...
                  Of course, none of us will live as long as Sif lived, but I think it's not worth rushing to lie down on the bottom of the pit. wassat )))
  • depressant
    depressant 4 June 2021 08: 35
    +6
    It is easy for a writer to put prophecies in the mouth of the fictional Tugarin, when a historical period has passed, the terrible events of which, predicted by Tugarin, have already taken place. Why did Tolstoy touch the time that preceded the prophecies? Probably, like any person, the best time in life is youth. The young Russian state is a memory of us, the best.
    The trees are still the same, but we are wandering in three pines.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 4 June 2021 09: 19
      +5
      The trees are still the same, but we are wandering in three pines.
      "Yes, not everyone has a grasp of progress.
      And in three pines sometimes they do not see forests.
      The aggressor rattles ammunition,
      But TASS is authorized to declare: "(C)
      1. depressant
        depressant 4 June 2021 09: 49
        +5
        The growls of TASS ceased,
        He is knocked down by the flow of news
        And tormented by the fact without embellishment
        Dense people from the fact.
      2. Richard
        Richard 4 June 2021 17: 46
        +2
        And in three pines sometimes they do not see forests.

        "Comes the invader hums.
        And urges the conductor
        He is full of life, well fed, not wounded
        Walks in the forest and cannot know
        That from this life he was deposed
        And put it on the altar
        simple man Ivan Susanin "(c)
        A. Fet
    2. Undecim
      Undecim 4 June 2021 10: 08
      +5
      Why did Tolstoy touch the time that preceded the prophecies? Probably, like any person, the best time in life is youth. The young Russian state is a memory of us, the best.
      The trees are still the same, but we are wandering in three pines.

      You are right, Lyudmila Yakovlevna. Tolstoy looked in history for confirmation of his "ideas of Slavism" and in search of these idealized pre-Mongol Russia and bowed to her, believing that the principles of morality were brought to Russia during her baptism and, therefore, they should have developed and manifested themselves more freely in X-XII centuries.
      Expressing himself "high calmness", in pre-Mongol Russia he was looking for the ideal of the Russian national character.
      But the era of "old-fashioned Moscow" in Tolstoy evoked completely opposite feelings.
      To summarize, Tolstoy believed that the external greatness of the Moscow state was bought at the price of the internal humiliation of the people.
      This is, let's say, a conceptual assessment of the course of Russian history. In accordance with it, he created his works, moreover, not only ballads, but also dramatic works, and the novel "Prince of Silver".
      1. depressant
        depressant 4 June 2021 10: 27
        +6
        the external greatness of the Moscow state was bought at the price of the internal humiliation of the people.

        And it became a stable tradition, only at times interrupted by the interest of the state wassat ))))
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 4 June 2021 10: 39
          +6
          It is no coincidence that his "History of the Russian State from Gostomysl to Timashev" was published already fifteen years after it was written "for censorship reasons." What is symbolic, this work was constantly "renewed", first by Adikayevsky "to Alexander II", then by Chernyavsky "to dear Ilyich", and by Nesterenk until ..., to the present day.
          1. depressant
            depressant 4 June 2021 14: 06
            +3
            The censors thoughtfully read, spending decades of state funds on their own thoughtfulness, and figured out what to remove, so that under them, the censors, the chairs would not sway. To further thoughtfully grasp something. For when the foundations shudder, any armchairs lose their stability in the sea of ​​life.
          2. Astra wild2
            Astra wild2 4 June 2021 14: 25
            +4
            Viktor Nikolaevich, forgive me, but we are idiots and do not understand your irony: how can you supplement a poem written in the 19th century?
            1. Undecim
              Undecim 4 June 2021 15: 04
              +2
              This is not irony. Just read "History of the Russian State from Gostomysl to Timashev". I have indicated the authors. You will understand everything.
              1. Astra wild2
                Astra wild2 4 June 2021 17: 22
                +2
                In this case: Adikaevsky and Chernyavsky or Nesterenko used the name A Tolstoy, and used their own text. Is this permissible?
                1. Undecim
                  Undecim 4 June 2021 17: 42
                  +4
                  Vera, have you read these works?
                  1. Astra wild2
                    Astra wild2 4 June 2021 17: 55
                    +3
                    I learned about them from you. On the Internet, will they be or only Lit Res?
    3. Van 16
      Van 16 4 June 2021 12: 15
      +5
      "The trees are still the same, but we are wandering in three pines"

      Old trees grew, higher and higher towards the light, They pulled branches through fences and prohibitions, In bewilderment they nodded their heads: - And what about you, good people, what about you? (C) Zoya Yashchenko
      1. depressant
        depressant 4 June 2021 13: 57
        +4
        Questions like "Oh, good people! What's the matter with you?" ask a lot of everything. And the answers are tight. And when someone suddenly cries out: "But I know! And I know!" - everyone turns to him. And he: "On the golden porch sat a king, a prince, a king, a prince, a shoemaker, a tailor - choose who you will be ..." And people turn away in disappointment. For it is a social interpretation of a day long gone. The words "I suggest the next new thing ...." still won't sound.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 4 June 2021 09: 15
    +3
    Read "Sometimes Merry May", you can understand.
    lol
    hi
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 4 June 2021 12: 08
    +5
    As they say, A. Tolstoy began "for health", and ended with some unbearably cloying loyal oil.

    "Exposing Russian disorder" Nekrasov wrote a laudatory poem about the suppression of the Polish uprising to Muravyov-Vilensky (who was not one of those Muravyovs who are being hanged, but one that they themselves are hanged). After which he was completely struck out by the "domestic intelligentsia" (ugh!) From their ranks ... negative
    1. Astra wild2
      Astra wild2 4 June 2021 14: 28
      +2
      When I was in school this poem was not "remembered"
      R.
      S
      It was not customary to remember, "not convenient moments of history and biography
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 4 June 2021 14: 56
        +2
        When I was in school this poem was not "remembered"

        Interestingly, it has not survived, Vera! But the mineral fountain in Staraya Russa, opened under Muravyov's time, has survived - it is called that. The largest in Europe!
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 4 June 2021 14: 15
    +3
    Good day. Valery, they found you purely by chance: they were expecting more about the lost cities, and here is a new cycle.
    "the Slavs began to act worse than before", naturally, the Slavs did not know the Christian commandment: hit on one cheek, turn the other.
  • Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 4 June 2021 15: 33
    +11
    Dumas once said that history is just a nail on which he hangs his paintings. It seems that Tolstoy could say exactly the same thing about himself. And to reproach him for unhistoricity somehow personally, my hand does not rise. He is an author, creator of his own world, an artist, not a photographer.
    And yes, it is quite obvious that in his historical ballads one can feel the fascination with the era, people, events. He did not try to discern the historical realities of that time, "dive under the iceberg", he just admired its top. Beautiful, strong, courageous people, firmly looking into the eyes of the enemy, who can make mistakes and suffer defeat, but cannot coward, retreat, cunning and dodge. In any case, Tolstoy's world seems to me just like that - young, cruel, like all children, and beautiful ...
    Ek turned me around ...
    So by the way, a curious fact. The boy Alyosha from the fairy tale "The Black Hen or the Underground People" is Alexei Konstantinovich Tolstoy. The tale was written by his uncle for him and about him. smile
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 4 June 2021 15: 58
      +8
      So by the way, a curious fact. The boy Alyosha from the fairy tale "The Black Hen or the Underground People" is Alexei Konstantinovich Tolstoy. The tale was written by his uncle for him and about him.

      Mikhail, if you had not said that, I would not have known! Thank you! drinks
      Uncle's real surname was Perovsky. He turns out to be a relative of the future assassin of the emperor. Now I glanced at his biography - I lived an interesting life!
      1. Richard
        Richard 5 June 2021 00: 12
        +3
        Mikhail, if you had not said that, I would not have known! Thank you!

        A similar situation Thank you, Misha good
    2. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 4 June 2021 16: 50
      +6
      Tolstoy's world seems to be just that - young, cruel, like all children, and beautiful ...
      "And Herzen all the time, then he gets lousy, then he steals something" (C)
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 4 June 2021 17: 11
        +5
        "And Herzen all the time, then he gets lousy, then he steals something" (C)

        Will come across ... Herzen openly stole his wife from his friend Ogarev ... what These are they - "the honor and conscience of the nation", writing libels from abroad! negative
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 4 June 2021 19: 14
          +4
          Herzen openly stole his wife from his friend Ogarev ...
          "Women love scum" (C)
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 5 June 2021 12: 44
            +4
            Herzen openly stole his wife from his friend Ogarev ...
            "Women love scum" (C)

            You see, Ogarev divorced for the sake of this depraved person and paid a lot of money. And then he became a cuckold. Or a swinger. In general, "concepts for perverts" have not been invented now. hi But at the same time - "the beauty and pride of the revolution" ... Ugh! Do you remember Shpakovsky wrote WHAT was found during the search at Yagoda?
      2. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 4 June 2021 19: 18
        +5
        Kharms has a very specific sense of humor ... I have never shrugged ... I think it was written not for us, but for those who are "in the subject", a kind of "inside".
        Maybe we should try?
        Once Caliber came to Undecimus and asked:
        - Tell me, dear, whose cat is more beautiful - mine or Pane Kohanku?
        Undecimus did not want to quarrel with anyone and said:
        - There is no discussion about taste and color.
        And what he thought so no one knew.

        Do I pull on Kharms? laughing
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 4 June 2021 19: 30
          +5
          No, don't pull. For I, the epic saga about "Captain Mikhailov", started earlier!
          Well, and it seems to me, it turns out better than Kharms. However, like Kharms, everything is "for internal use."
          1. depressant
            depressant 4 June 2021 22: 03
            +3
            After evaluating the color of the cats on the item "for color", Caliber and Undecim were forced to go to the item "taste" and invited a Chinese chef.
          2. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 5 June 2021 13: 05
            +2
            For I, the epic saga about "Captain Mikhailov", started earlier!
            Well, and it seems to me, it turns out better than Kharms. However, like Kharms, everything is "for internal use."

            Have you written a lot? Would you like to read it? lol
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 5 June 2021 13: 34
              +2
              Oh, someone will agree ...
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 5 June 2021 13: 42
                +1
                Oh, someone will agree ...

                Will you write the background to the sex life of a famous captain? belay Here you are an entertainer, even VikNik did not raise his hand and other limbs to this! fellow
                ... By the way, I'll tell you about yesterday's incident ... wink At the meeting! drinks
  • vladcub
    vladcub 4 June 2021 17: 13
    +2
    "The Bishop of Reskeld was actually called Askar" I had a good friend of the Adyg in my youth and his name was Askar. And more recently he met an old man from Dagestanis, Magomad Askerovich. He would be surprised that in 1147 there was a bishop named Askar.
    Perhaps A. K. Tolstoy also knew some mountaineer after Askar, and for this he "baptized" that bishop into Eric?
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 4 June 2021 18: 01
      +5
      And the bishop would have been even more surprised to learn that he had been renamed.
      In fact, his name was Asser Rig Skjalmsen Hvide. It's just that the author, as usual, got carried away and did not check the information.
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 4 June 2021 18: 48
        +5
        Vic. Nick, he was hoping you would fix it. If without jokes, but seriously: an adequate author will also react adequately
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 4 June 2021 18: 53
          +4
          The author is really good, but addicted.
          And who is without flaws?
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 4 June 2021 19: 10
            +5
            And who is without flaws?
            Well, judging by your popularity ...
            1. depressant
              depressant 4 June 2021 20: 35
              +2
              And finally, I propose to highlight the main thing - the way I understand it, but not the way others can understand it.
              Why from the whole cycle of Tolstoy's ballads is "Boriva" the most important for me?
              Because the author emphasizes that each of the opposing sides had its own heavenly protector, and in those days this was tantamount to ideology.
              Here are the losers grieving:

              And in Roskilde Cathedral
              The monks are gathering
              They exclaim: "Woe, woe!"
              And prayer services are served in fear.
              And a bishop with clerical strength,
              Kneeling in church
              He prays: “God, have mercy on us!
              Protect from Borivoj! "

              But the winners thank the source of their spiritual strength:

              And from vigorous to Retra,
              From Osna to Dubovik,
              Winds carry the message everywhere
              About that great victory.
              The cheerful Volyn is full of noise,
              Around Perun's shrine
              Round dance go with a stake
              Pomeranian maidens string.

              What has changed since then?
              I'm talking about us.
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 4 June 2021 20: 55
                +2
                In this sense, it matters to me how I will be met "there" by the essence of those to whom I owe my life on this planet.
                1. depressant
                  depressant 4 June 2021 21: 58
                  +3
                  But does life seem to be on loan? In the form of a loan? Like, you will outlive yours, spend the given, report back where you invested.
                  Here I am being ironic, but in fact I think the same. And, you know, it's time to hurry. Much undone.
              2. vladcub
                vladcub 4 June 2021 20: 57
                +1
                I have not read this "Borivoi". Or rather, he has a bm I remember: "a birch was wounded by a sharp ax"
                I don't remember anything else. I need to see these works sometime
  • Andy
    Andy 5 June 2021 12: 03
    +2
    Thanks to the author for clarifying the ballads. I always wondered who Borivoy was
    1. IGOR GORDEEV
      IGOR GORDEEV 5 June 2021 17: 36
      0

      And the warlike Slavs of the island of Ruyan (Rügen), who defeated the Danish fleet in a naval battle, came to the rescue to encourage them:

      Where can I read more about this? I recently learned about the cheers and lyutichs. I am inclined to the version that Rurik is from the Slavs of these tribes.
  • zenion
    zenion 5 June 2021 17: 53
    0
    And I prefer his verse: Listen, guys, what your grandfather will tell you, our country is rich, there is just no order ...
  • Fat
    Fat 8 June 2021 08: 42
    0
    Valery, thank you for the sumptuous article. Michal Ivanov is one of the most interesting (for me personally) illustrators, I am glad that his works are for you.