Chinese "analogue" ZRPK "Pantsir-S": presented a new self-propelled anti-aircraft complex

China Central Television (CCTV) recently demonstrated a new type of self-propelled 35mm anti-aircraft system, located on an eight-wheeled chassis and equipped with a cannon and two surface-to-air missiles. The combat "stuffing" of the system makes it similar to the Pantsir-S air defense missile system, which allows us to consider it as a kind of China's response to a Russian product. Chinese analysts noted that this is an excellent choice for providing field anti-aircraft cover for troops.

The new product is equipped with advanced radar and fire control systems and can act as an autonomous combat unit, which makes it a high-class product among other anti-aircraft guns.

- noted on the CCTV channel, without disclosing the designation of the new air defense system.

As stated, it is highly mobile and can accompany mechanized troops for their air defense, which allows it to provide effective protection for the combined arms brigade, including from the impact drones.

At the same time, the Chinese "analogue" of the Russian "Pantsir-S" uses a single-barreled cannon, which has the same combat power as its double-barreled predecessors, since the new gun is equipped with a completely new automatic loader, which significantly increases its rate of fire.

Rotary [drum] loading mechanism, which also improves accuracy and reliability weapons, was difficult to develop due to high requirements for construction and material

- explained the source of CCTV, noting that the Chinese defense industry has successfully solved all the problems that arose during its creation.

According to military expert Wei Dongsu, in comparison with self-propelled anti-aircraft guns using tracked vehicles, wheeled vehicles have higher mobility and range, are more difficult to detect and have a better chance of attacking from the air. According to him, the new product is capable of working on ground targets.

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[SaLaR]

Chinese however ....... Holeso .....

[Real Pilot]

Is this an analogue of "Shell"? He only has 2 missiles and one cannon!
Plus the chassis on the armored personnel carrier looks like
there is no place for the equipment that is on the "Pantsir".
The power of the machines is different (in terms of radar power).

Plus, "Pantsir" is an object air defense, it is not for escorting troops on the march. And here the air defense is military, intended for defense in completely different conditions.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: RealPilot

Is this an analogue of "Shell"?

Well, we cut it down a bit. Don't find fault. Chinese means excellent

[poquello]

Quote: RealPilot

Is this an analogue of "Shell"?

good question, second question - who called it the analogue of the shell?

[mojohed2012]

An analogue of Armor, with 2 analogs of a needle 1?
Well, they took an armored personnel carrier, welded on a new turret, fitted 2 MANPADS with a needle or an arrow - and an analogue? And what about a cannon or a large-caliber machine gun? The armor has more powerful weapons and will be on a larger scale.

[Victor Tsenin]

Uncle Liao, apparently an analogue of Igor Prokopenko

[Guru]

Plus, "Pantsir" is an object air defense, it is not for escorting troops on the march.

And why did you get the idea that the Shell would not be able to accompany on the march? He can fire on the move.

[mvg]

And escho to take off with a short run and act as an AWACS. It is on wheels that barely stands, but why should you shoot

[lucul]

Is this an analogue of "Shell"? He only has 2 missiles and one cannon!

Here it is much more interesting what he has with the means of detection - is there an OLS or a radar?

[D16]

OLS or radar station is there

There is an observation station, but no shooting station. There is an OLS. That is, it is not even under-armor, but overexertion. Although the artillery unit is weaker.

[lucul]

There is an observation station, but no shooting station. There is an OLS. That is, it is not even under-armor, but overexertion. laughing Although the artillery unit is weaker.

Vooot, there are still adequate ones for VO)))

[carstorm 11]

Rather Tunguska. But definitely not a shell.

[garri-lin]

Hurry up to the modernized Shilka.

[Kuroneko]

Quote: RealPilot

Is this an analogue of "Shell"? He only has 2 missiles and one cannon!
Plus the chassis on the armored personnel carrier looks like
there is no place for the equipment that is on the "Pantsir".

Well, in fact, it should have been called a conditional analogue of "Tunguska". Wheeled. But it's just that everyone is now hearing only "Shell", that's all they compare with it. Just instead of a brain, some have a cerebellum. Only about "Shell" and remember.

[Ryaruav]

I think the chassis is better than Kamaz

[paul3390]

Two rockets ?? Something will not be enough according to modern layouts ..

[Vadim237]

He kind of has a recharge right on the car.

[donavi49]

4 rockets, just why hang extra for tests.

[tlauicol]

Did you copy and paste Oerlikon or something of your own?

[donavi49]

Back in the 80s, they bought a license for a CDA and are releasing it by modernizing it, processing it with a file. They have already done a lot of types. It was probably also converted into a separate type.

The original KDA is in service by the way too.

[Kuroneko]

The "Tunguska" initially also had only 4 missiles, but then it was doubled.

[garri-lin]

And what kind of rockets do not you know? Like larger MANPADS?

[donavi49]

The missile unit is claimed to be identical to their army Yitian air defense system.

Consequently, the TY-90 missiles are the main short-range caliber of the fleet (from a corvette to an aircraft carrier), the main V-B rocket for helicopters, well, the ground forces also use it on different chassis. In fact, this is a 20 kg MD missile (6-8 km) - a la heavy universal MANPADS, with a good seeker and 3 kg warhead (they took Mistral there as a reference overlap in terms of efficiency and parameters).

[garri-lin]

Thank you for the clarification. It turns out not an analogue of the Shell in any way.

[donavi49]

Well, they have studies a la Carapace without a cannon part. 12 blind missiles on radio command guidance. Also export and carry about 3-4 years in this form at exhibitions.

[garri-lin]

I wonder why such missiles were not combined with the weapon. A cheap solution for the near field.

[Kuroneko]

And why have we developed a purely cannon-based derivation-air defense?

And there is a purely rocket Pine / Birder.

Because hybrids are always quite complicated and expensive. At the same Tunguska - and she was the first air defense missile system - it was not for nothing that two radars had to be installed.

[Victor Tsenin]

> harder to detect and more likely to be attacked from the air.

Is it more difficult acoustically mean?
And in what incomprehensible way the wheels increase the chances of an attack from the air for me a complete mystery)

[Nikolaevich I]

Gospidya! How easy it is for us to put “labels” on everything that “moves”!

[Real Pilot]

Quote: Guru

Plus, "Pantsir" is an object air defense, it is not for escorting troops on the march.

And why did you get the idea that the Shell would not be able to accompany on the march? He can fire on the move.

Good afternoon.
All the same, "Pantsir" was created to protect objects, as a short-range air defense system. Cover nuclear power plants, the same S-300-400-500 ... And much more.

It can technically shoot on the move (with restrictions), but usually stands on retractable stops. The cabins are almost unarmored ... It has its own place in the air defense system.

We have "TOP", "Buk" and so on. They are just for those purposes.

[spirit]

Yes, it is rather a budget Chinese analogue of a product from the USA, shorad.
Only here, in addition to the cannon and MANPADS, a couple of Hellfire are installed. And the chassis is stronger, the Chinese supposedly put their anti-aircraft gun on the Soviet 80 armored personnel carrier

[Klingon]

over there, the Vietnamese Shilka modernized there 4 missiles in a container primed, a new MSA and a radar, it turned out abruptly. By the way, there was an article on VO,
here is the vidos from the link:
https://youtu.be/OGm6Tk2p0g8

[donavi49]

This is not an analogue of a shell, but an export variation of the SV air defense for mobile wheel joints. SWS2 has been called for 2 years already as it fiddles around exhibitions.

In general, they have a wagon and a cart of all sorts of models. For example, even the army has such cars. Multi-barreled naval cut off + missiles.

Or here is the homeless version of the MZA on a truck controlled through stabilized optics and KDA guns in the Chinese version.

Well, the fierce drug addiction helicopter landing (well, aircraft too) universal amphibious fire support vehicle for landing with a multi-barrel.

[betta]

With such a speed of development and construction, how is their quality?

[Ryaruav]

you can see it as a sediment from the speed of the Russian military-industrial complex

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: donavi49

In general, they have a wagon and a cart of all sorts of models

Duc, I heard that in the USSR there was an idea to modernize the "Shilka" with the "help" of a 6-barreled 30-mm naval "machine gun" ... but something did not go well! Moreover, I heard about the 30-mm caliber! Although there was also a 6-barreled 23-mm aviation "machine gun"!
PS But actually the Chinese ... they are still entertainers! Well, for example ... I once came across a Chinese "copy" of the Finnish Nokia ... Outwardly it looked like a well-known Finnish model and the marking was appropriate ... But a Chinese mobile phone was designed for 2 SIM cards instead of one, and a built-in television receiver when the "finn" did not have it! And like "extended" Chinese devices, I have met a lot! Even among the Soviet weapons "one-piece" by the Chinese, there were "extensions-additions"!

[Pavel57]

Rather, it should be compared with Tunguska.

[dgonni]

there is only one little BUT! The cannon is a copy of Erlikon and Reinmetal and has programmable projectiles! That immediately brings this very system far ahead in comparison with the Armor!

[APASUS]

China now steals more competently, they don't copy stupidly to rivets now. They just put them on their chassis, make their own electronics and, as it were, nothing to do with that. And they could copy any model, even this one for example.

[AML]

Quote: RealPilot

Plus, "Pantsir" is an object air defense, it is not for escorting troops on the march.

CM seems to be able to shoot out on the march.

[AML]

Quote: RealPilot

All the same, "Pantsir" was created to protect objects, as a short-range air defense system. Cover nuclear power plants, the same S-300-400-500 ... And much more.

It can technically shoot on the move (with restrictions), but usually stands on retractable stops. The cabins are almost unarmored ... It has its own place in the air defense system.

Yes, it was created. And he was taught to shoot and accompany him on the move later. There were probably reasons. Hardly for the sake of boredom.

[AML]

Quote: dgonni

there is only one little BUT! The cannon is a copy of Erlikon and Reinmetal and has programmable projectiles! That immediately brings this very system far ahead in comparison with the Armor!

Um, why would he need programmable projectiles at his rate of fire? Don't you get tired of programming?

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[Radical]

Chinese "analogue" ZRPK "Pantsir-S": presented a new self-propelled anti-aircraft complex

Judging by the photo, the chassis is normal, with good centering, unlike KAMAZ.

[Zaurbek]

Shell and Mustang have and BAZ was spotted

[Ryaruav]

and why mainly KAMAZ?

[Zaurbek]

Price ... and, or shoot on the move .., or from the spot. Depends on TK

[Zaurbek]

Rather, Tunguzki ..... military chassis ...

[Radical]

Quote: Zaurbek

Shell and Mustang have and BAZ was spotted

The BAZ is cumbersome, in terms of mobility for the air defense system - I don't know, let the professionals say.

[stepka_razin]

The new "stuffing" of the system makes it similar to the "Pantsir-S" air defense missile system, which allows us to consider it as a kind of response from the PRC

What makes it akin, the author is a miracle or you have any air defense installation with a cannon, an analogue of a shell

[alexey alexeyev_2]

Gospidya !! What he is ugly then .. And even narrow-eyed then.

[riwas]

The rotary [drum] loading mechanism, which also improves the accuracy and reliability of the weapon, was difficult to develop due to the high requirements for design and material

Probably talking about a revolving cannon. Their barrel quickly overheats and wears out. Therefore, preference is given to multi-barrel systems.