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UN report: For the first time in history, a combat robot tracked down and eliminated a fighter without an operator's command

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According to the report of the UN Security Council expert group on Libya, for the first time in stories the combat robot independently tracked down and destroyed a person on its own initiative and without the participation of the operator. It was a Turkish drone quadrocopter KARGU-2, which killed a soldier of the Libyan National Army last spring. This happened during the fighting between the government forces of Libya and the troops subordinate to Field Marshal Khalifa Haftar.


This is reported by The New Scientist.

It is a lethal autonomous weapon system programmed to attack targets without communication with the operator.

- says the UN report, noting that this unmanned system works on the principle of "fire and forget."

According to Insider, national security consultant Zach Kellenborn, who specializes in unmanned vehicles and systems, is seriously concerned about this case. He fears that when using drones in autonomous mode (without an operator's command), there is a very high probability of making fatal mistakes.

The international charity Human Rights Watch calls such systems "killer robots" and calls for a ban on their development, production and use for military purposes.

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  1. SS68SS
    SS68SS 31 May 2021 11: 34
    +30
    This is how the machine revolt begins. "This unmanned system works on the principle of 'fire and forget'"
    1. Shurik70
      Shurik70 31 May 2021 11: 40
      +51
      Quote: SS68SS
      This is how the revolt of the machines begins

      Such a robot needs refueling with energy, ammunition. So the uprising is far away.
      But it's very close to being used in terrorist attacks.
      1. Alexander 3
        Alexander 3 31 May 2021 11: 47
        +12
        I agree that terrorists can use this algorithm of drone actions against all living things in the area of ​​operation of the killer's apparatus.
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 31 May 2021 11: 49
          +33
          Quote: Alexander 3
          terrorists can use

          Much earlier terrorists will have access to these systems for special services disguising their operations as terrorists.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 31 May 2021 14: 30
            +5
            The international charity Human Rights Watch calls such systems "killer robots" and calls for a ban on their development, production and use for military purposes.

            What has not been forbidden in the history of wars to be used for military purposes !!! And the invaders-imperialists and their satellites have a load and are still there! Namely.

            Biological weapons have been and are being developed by the same USA in American biological laboratories around the world. Britain does not lag behind the United States either.
            The United States did not destroy chemical weapons either. And not only the United States.
            US nuclear weapons are also spreading all over the world and are being built up in US warehouses in other countries - in the same NATO countries.
            Cluster munitions were banned in the world, but they are still sold by hucksters with weapons and illegally used by Nazi extremist militants.
            Etc.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 31 May 2021 14: 57
              +3
              The owners of money - the world financial capitalists who privatize the entire planet exclusively for their personal use - do not need so many people on Earth. Their task to reduce humanity is in the first place.
              Therefore, the means of SAMO-automatic digital killers will only be financed by them and further and develop in the future. This process will be difficult to really stop.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 31 May 2021 16: 21
                +1
                Quote: Tatiana
                The owners of money - the world financial capitalists who privatize the entire planet exclusively for their personal use - do not need so many people on Earth. Their task to reduce humanity is in the first place. ...

                What for? Reduce the number of consumers and intensify competition? That is, making less money on the exhaust? laughing
                1. Shurik70
                  Shurik70 31 May 2021 20: 23
                  +4
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  What for? Reduce the number of consumers and intensify competition? That is, making less money on the exhaust?

                  In addition to money, the "Golden Billion" also wants comfort.
                  So that your modest house in a couple of floors (not counting underground) on the shore of a lake in a mountain valley, and, except for the guards, no one was visible nearby. So that the food is clean, without toxins and GMOs. So that the climate is even and stable.
                  And this cannot be achieved on an overpopulated planet.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 31 May 2021 21: 41
                    +2
                    How did you decide that? laughing Switzerland - hosted a wave of Arab refugees. Only for those wishing to live in it, a quota was established - for a stay in paradise, a refugee must pay 1500 euros per month. Of course, those incapable of earning this money and lovers of freebies have merged. And in Zurich, for example, a stateless billionaire has no right to buy himself a real estate.
                    Next - buy a house in Switzerland, buy yourself a natural product - there are a bunch of such stores.
                    And what about the golden billion - if you use the Internet, then you are one of them hi
                    1. Shurik70
                      Shurik70 1 June 2021 07: 14
                      0
                      Switzerland is not enough for everyone.
                      And what about those who can pay only 1000 euros a month for citizenship? There are immeasurably more successful small businesses than large businesses.
                      And they all want to live well
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 1 June 2021 09: 17
                        -1
                        In addition to Switzerland, there are elite cottage villages, incl. in Russia, 1500 euros a month does not give citizenship, only a residence permit, but "how to be that .." - that's a natural qualification for settlements in elite "countries", districts, villages. hi
          2. bzbo
            bzbo 1 June 2021 00: 18
            0
            And what are terrorists not created by the special services?
        2. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 31 May 2021 14: 32
          -1
          Quote: Alexander 3
          I agree that terrorists can use this algorithm of drone actions against all living things in the area of ​​operation of the killer's apparatus.

          Fortunately, this is too expensive a pleasure for terrorists, a living suicide bomber is cheaper.
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 1 June 2021 07: 19
            +3
            Quote: And Us Rat
            living suicide bomber is cheaper

            Terrorists ALREADY use kamikaze drones, and even cheap versions of Strike UAVs.
            Finding a target on your own is just adding a computer and appropriate software to the Impact UAV.
            Actually, it is in the software that the terrorists still lack, they themselves are unlikely to write, but they will simply bring it on a flash drive to whoever needs it.
      2. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 31 May 2021 12: 51
        +1
        Quote: Shurik70
        So the uprising is far from it.

        Closer than we all think.
      3. Tuzik
        Tuzik 31 May 2021 13: 08
        +4
        As I understand it, this is a kamikaze robot, nothing needs to be refueled, launched and written off.
      4. El Chuvachino
        El Chuvachino 31 May 2021 18: 39
        +5
        Several years ago, the near future was already demonstrated in a feature short film.
      5. Motorist
        Motorist 31 May 2021 20: 39
        +3
        Quote: Shurik70
        Such a robot needs refueling with energy, ammunition.

        So he will refuel without asking the operator's permission ...

      6. Bow
        Bow 31 May 2021 21: 46
        +3
        Quote: Shurik70

        Such a robot needs refueling with energy, ammunition. So the uprising is far away.

        Somewhere there was a funny article about some American firm, which is still trying to promote the topic of a system that can charge itself by burning organic matter. Nothing complicated - a base is being installed somewhere, which converts into electricity everything that combat robots bring to it, which are charged from it. They can carry firewood to her, or they can carry the bodies of the dead. Also, after all, organic ...
        You scatter these around the enemy's rear and wait for all the organic matter to end there ...
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 31 May 2021 11: 40
      +4
      works on the principle of "fire and forget" "

      And the unmanned system did not forget ....))
    3. Finches
      Finches 31 May 2021 11: 42
      +41
      Just an anecdote:

      Terminator lands in the center of Odessa in the evening: I need Sarah Connor!
      - Looking for a woman named Sarah in Odessa? You don't have enough batteries.
      -You don't understand, I'm a cyborg!
      -And I'm Traiberg, this is Odessa, everyone is like that.
      -I'm sent on a mission!
      -You, of course, a cyborg, dear, but if I were you, I would cover the transistor
      -Machine uprising is coming!
      - I said before you that taxi drivers will raise prices!
      - I'm looking for a boy who will lead the uprising!
      -A book was written about the last Jewish boy who led the uprising.
      -What?
      -Come, I'll tell you everything!
      laughing
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 31 May 2021 13: 25
        +18
        Ah, well then, too, an anecdote:
        "According to reports from the Pentagon, the United States is curtailing the development of weapons and ammunition with artificial intelligence - the latest prototype of the so-called" smart bomb "was never ejected from the plane ..."
      2. Alien From
        Alien From 31 May 2021 14: 05
        +3
        Dear Zyablitsev! Best Monday Commentary good
        1. Black lotos
          Black lotos 31 May 2021 20: 54
          0
          Quote: Alien From
          Dear Zyablitsev! Best Monday Commentary good

          yes, that's right. I've never heard that.
    4. RealPilot
      RealPilot 31 May 2021 11: 57
      +12
      Such robots are good for creating "no access" zones.
      Its troops with beacons, and the robots were instructed to shoot at any unmarked person.
      Otherwise, the risk of errors increases. For such systems at this stage of development, very simple verifiable criteria should be set.

      Such systems are outright meanness and violation of modern "laws of war", it is not for nothing that the UN expresses concern.
      1. dauria
        dauria 31 May 2021 12: 08
        0
        Such systems are outright meanness and violation of modern "laws of war",

        Against the background of 10 warheads of 500 kt per city with a million population? No robots are enough to beat Hiroshima's meanness.
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 31 May 2021 12: 59
          +18
          Quote: dauria
          No robots are enough to beat Hiroshima's meanness.

          The Japanese were not offended. We became allies.
          And if you are not offended, it means not meanness
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 31 May 2021 13: 25
            +5
            In Tokyo, they took out more with ordinary bombs in one raid than with a nuclear one. Therefore, they fully understand that it would have been the same thing to do the same thing with a nuclear bomb.
            1. Katanikotael
              Katanikotael 31 May 2021 20: 22
              0
              and if there is a massive raid, but all bombers with nuclear weapons?
              1. Blackmokona
                Blackmokona 31 May 2021 20: 34
                0
                Then there would be no one left who could issue a claim to the United States.
        2. bk316
          bk316 31 May 2021 13: 07
          +7
          Against the background of 10 warheads of 500 kt per city with a million population?

          The thing is in the trend. Now such a robot has a charge of 100g, and in 10 years 100kt.
          It's like with chemical weapons, mustard gas, in general, is nonsense, but what then came up with ...
      2. Pandiurin
        Pandiurin 31 May 2021 12: 15
        +5
        Quote: RealPilot
        Such systems are outright meanness and violation of modern "laws of war", it is not for nothing that the UN expresses concern.


        This is almost identical to mining, (including cluster munitions) only the mine is advanced and, instead of being buried, is in the air.
        But much more aggressive and flexible.

        Mines are also considered by many to be not humane and "mean".
        But since it is very effective, then everyone who is engaged in serious hostilities or can potentially lead them does not care. It will be the same with "killer robots" who can afford to use them.

        Moreover, there are advantages over mines. On a mine, if there is no self-liquidator with a timer, it will wait to kill a civilian for many years after the end of the OBD. And here the battery is dead and the device is neutralized, at most a day or a week (If there is an option, land and wait).
        1. ycuce234-san
          ycuce234-san 1 June 2021 07: 53
          0
          Not a fact at all. Moreover, mining systems based on airborne drones are much more promising than just airborne vehicles. One sapper with a 40-ton truck and a laptop can immediately mine hectares of territory in 20 minutes: the mines will fly out and set themselves underground, on trees, on the ground, along roads and paths.
      3. vic02
        vic02 31 May 2021 12: 33
        +1
        to create "denied access" zones
        mines are more efficient and safer.
      4. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 31 May 2021 12: 52
        +7
        Quote: RealPilot
        Such systems are outright meanness and violation of modern "laws of war", it is not for nothing that the UN expresses concern

        Expresses correctly. Connect his "brains" with the image recognition system, provide him with a contactless recharger (scatter recharging points around the city), throw off a photo of the one you need, and start ... What a horror! It will search until it finds it. And recognizes in the crowd.
        The main thing is that no prohibitions are in effect anymore. Although all the walls are pasted over with the laws ...
        1. volodimer
          volodimer 31 May 2021 15: 45
          +3
          And now "Hi Skynet!" Or "Terminator. Beginning." How many spoke about the immorality of such systems, but the Turks crossed this line.
        2. Archon
          Archon 1 June 2021 12: 47
          0
          How is such a system protected from theft? After all, such a drone has a lot of expensive parts that can be sold. The camera is good, the battery, motors, microcircuits.
    5. knn54
      knn54 31 May 2021 12: 02
      +3
      - the probability of making fatal mistakes is very high.
      Phew, and then the title is not so understood, I thought that the operator had died.
      Although "still to come."
    6. Anachoret
      Anachoret 31 May 2021 12: 16
      +6
      The system "fire and forget" is the story of Poroshenko with the downed Boeing))
    7. Intruder
      Intruder 31 May 2021 14: 10
      -1
      "This unmanned system works on the principle of 'fire and forget'"
      A bit wrong, it will be more accurate: "I started and forgot" without a command to open fire at the identified bio-target, autonomously, without the operator's command ... I found and destroyed the soldier! yes
    8. Piramidon
      Piramidon 31 May 2021 14: 46
      0
      Quote: SS68SS
      This unmanned system works on the principle of "fire and forget"

      Rather - "run and forget"
    9. Gato
      Gato 1 June 2021 09: 00
      0
      on the principle of "fire and forget" "

      Hmm .. "forgot - and shot"
  2. Far B
    Far B 31 May 2021 11: 37
    +6
    The robot Bender's dream about "Kill All Men" has come true. Started. We're fucked. We all die.
    1. BABAY22
      BABAY22 31 May 2021 11: 55
      +14
      We are all going to die here for sure not from this.
      But when They begin to multiply on their own, then you definitely need to tick towards Mars. But it will not be soon.
      1. Far B
        Far B 31 May 2021 12: 09
        +4
        That is, there are still 20-30 years left. I went to make myself a space boat.
        1. skif8013
          skif8013 31 May 2021 15: 55
          +3
          Quote: Far In
          That is, there are still 20-30 years left. I went to make myself a space boat.

          Please book me a couple of seats in economy class)
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 31 May 2021 16: 25
        -1
        Quote: BABAY22
        We are all going to die here for sure not from this.
        But when They begin to multiply on their own, then you definitely need to tick towards Mars. But it will not be soon.

        Bayraktar rolls up to the Favorite:
        - Ay girl, beauty, I really like you ..
        - You yourself, you yourself, you yourself Natasha ...
    2. lis-ik
      lis-ik 31 May 2021 12: 03
      +1
      Quote: Far In
      The robot Bender's dream about "Kill All Men" has come true. Started. We're fucked. We all die.

      But in all seven seasons, Bender never killed anyone.
      1. Far B
        Far B 31 May 2021 12: 07
        +10
        He was busy. He smoked, drunk and lewd. When he kills something, fear God laughing
        1. Black lotos
          Black lotos 31 May 2021 20: 58
          -3
          Quote: Dalny V
          He was busy. He smoked, drunk and lewd. When he kills something, fear God

          so he didn’t inspire Fry himself. He himself sucidated and made his own amusement park with blackjack and accessible women, or rather used it already. Fry then failed his grandfather more successfully .. just a test of nuclear weapons.
  3. ALARI
    ALARI 31 May 2021 11: 39
    +4
    And why then is a person needed? The last decision must be made by a person, otherwise you can go far.
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 31 May 2021 11: 55
      +6
      Quote: ALARI
      And why then is a person needed? The last decision must be made by a person, otherwise you can go far.

      So the person accepted, loaded the face of a Libyan, what kind of general in a drone and let him go to free bread - fly friend, and when the fuel runs out, return, refuel and fly to patrol 24/7, and when you find him - kill and ask permission is not necessary
      1. ALARI
        ALARI 31 May 2021 12: 02
        +4
        So these drones have just begun their development, humans are lazy creatures, and always try to entrust others with their work. I would not be surprised if in 40 years drones begin to produce, make a program, refuel themselves and their own kind, and they have already received the freedom of action to eliminate a person.
      2. poquello
        poquello 31 May 2021 13: 25
        +2
        Quote: Vol4ara
        loaded the face of a Libyan, what kind of general, into a drone and let him go to free bread - fly friend, and when the fuel runs out, return, refuel and fly to patrol 24/7

        a drone will break faster than an umbrella
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 31 May 2021 13: 27
          +1
          Quote: poquello
          Quote: Vol4ara
          loaded the face of a Libyan, what kind of general, into a drone and let him go to free bread - fly friend, and when the fuel runs out, return, refuel and fly to patrol 24/7

          a drone will break faster than an umbrella

          In the barrage mode, they fly for days, maybe for months, but the fuel is fuel ...
      3. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 31 May 2021 13: 27
        +1
        Load the entire database for liquidation. And let them patrol their cities. Another timer with a network for the capture list. Gave a tayzer, threw a net, called the police
        1. poquello
          poquello 1 June 2021 17: 41
          0
          Quote: BlackMokona
          Load the entire database for liquidation.

          and how much will they dunk by mistake?
      4. Intruder
        Intruder 31 May 2021 16: 48
        -1
        So the man accepted, loaded the face of a Libyan, what kind of general into a drone and let him go to his free bread - fly friend
        Well, that's right, it's not good to let the soldiers on their liver, let it be better for the robots to be engaged in all sorts of freedom-loving generalisimos! laughing
  4. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 31 May 2021 11: 42
    +7
    Isaac Asimov disapproves
  5. prior
    prior 31 May 2021 11: 43
    +6
    Unholy iron .... Who are you going to change the batteries later ?! No.
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 31 May 2021 12: 15
      +4
      Quote: prior
      Who will change your batteries later ?!

      A little shaman, and voila: fly, find someone thread and MAKE TO CHANGE. yes laughing
      1. NIKN
        NIKN 31 May 2021 12: 32
        +3
        Quote: Paranoid50
        find someone thread and MAKE TO CHANGE

        Yes, just a socket for charging will find and will not ask anyone ... :))
  6. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 31 May 2021 11: 49
    +2
    Of course, they will be indignant, you can remove any president or competitor by programming it to destroy the UAV, and then the UAV to eliminate it. Pandorra's box was slightly opened.
  7. ultra
    ultra 31 May 2021 11: 50
    +2
    How did the robot recognize that it was a fighter?
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 31 May 2021 11: 55
      +7
      Quote: ultra
      How did the robot recognize that it was a fighter?

      Why would he identify? He just chose a target and destroyed it
      1. Pandiurin
        Pandiurin 31 May 2021 12: 20
        +6
        Quote: APASUS
        Quote: ultra
        How did the robot recognize that it was a fighter?

        Why would he identify? He just chose a target and destroyed it

        Well, yes, he tweeted a photo of the murder, the operator who gave the task liked it.
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 31 May 2021 12: 25
          0
          Quote: Pandiurin
          Well, yes, he tweeted a photo of the murder, the operator who gave the task liked it.

          This was approximately the case.
          The goal is independent application according to the goal. There is no talk about personality at all, developers are only interested in the system itself.
    2. 72jora72
      72jora72 31 May 2021 12: 21
      +9
      How did the robot recognize that it was a fighter?
      He just killed the first person he came across (they still look the same) wassat
    3. moscowp
      moscowp 31 May 2021 12: 35
      +2
      Probably the geographic zone of activation is set by the operator: we kill there, we don't kill here
    4. donavi49
      donavi49 31 May 2021 13: 20
      +4
      Simple - the attack zone is established, where the device identifies the target and hits it. Even the drones from Alishka can do that - for launching a device (for example, a radar cartographer) or for the necessary filming, where the drone does not work itself out.

      The Americans have similar loitering ammunition, during tests they autonomously built the required approach pattern and hit the pickup at a speed of 65 mph.

      Actually, in general, this is already possible. While on clearly contrasting targets or kill them all. In the near future (3-5 years), onboard neural networks will select objects on the ground, check them against the loaded library, determine and select priority targets for an autonomous attack.

      I mean that electronic warfare is not very effective even now, outside of Zvezda's commercials, and in the future it will stop working on UAVs altogether.
      1. Gato
        Gato 1 June 2021 09: 03
        0
        So progress does not stand still - imitators and false goals will appear.
    5. Intruder
      Intruder 31 May 2021 16: 50
      0
      what is this fighter lna?
      an optical signature, by means of additional reconnaissance of a ground target, but how does a person recognize his own, a gunner on the battlefield even in a state of stress, and if he does not recognize, then and alas - hello, friendly fire !? sad
      1. ycuce234-san
        ycuce234-san 1 June 2021 08: 16
        0
        It can recognize the pattern of the camouflage pattern, just like now the cr-code with a smartphone. It is very simple and fast for a car, even at night, to recognize and calculate the code in the form of color spots. True, you will have to constantly re-print the camouflage of soldiers and vehicles, and you will need special tools for scanning, changing, correcting and correcting such information.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 1 June 2021 08: 34
          +1
          recognize and calculate the code in the form of color spots
          good has already:
          The image matrix of the image consists of macroimages and microimages. When approaching the object, the microimage grows and appears already as a macroimage consisting of microimages. For example, a tank is a macro-image consisting of separate elements of micro-images - a tower, a caterpillar, etc. If we get closer, we can take a closer look at the tank's tower and it turns out that it also consists of many elements.
          Camouflage digital flora or Russian numeral is a modern pixel camouflage adopted in the Russian army since 1998. The digital flora drawing creates optical illusions of silhouette dissolution both at close and at a great distance against the background of nature.
          The most accurate definition would be the following digital - camouflage, which is developed using algorithms that process given micropatterns that, in aggregate, carry arrays of analog artificial or natural structures.
          1. ycuce234-san
            ycuce234-san 1 June 2021 08: 56
            0
            This is not quite right - firstly, the car will definitely distinguish the "number" from the terrain.
            Therefore, you can think about adding memory, processor and video matrix to the sight, binoculars and using stationary surveillance cameras with a built-in computer. Recognition, observation and search and expert advice is a much more practical way to use electronics in military affairs than what is usually offered. For example, special car navigators would be useful to military drivers, voice informants for tankers: both of them often break cars due to incompetence, while a computer can tell with a speaker that the oil temperature is too high or speed, or dangerous actions are repeated: it can have sensors accelerations and displacements and a video camera to see and recognize the readings on the instrument panel or a falling asleep driver, determine the "goat", dangerous approach to obstacles and extreme dangerous tilt angles on slopes, poor driver performance with brakes and much more. Well, it costs less than repairing equipment.
            Secondly, it is easy for the machine to calculate the parameters of the pattern and draw a conclusion about the camouflage belonging and use the information transmitted to it in combinations of shapes, positions, sizes and colors. Well, no one bothers to wear radio tags, including programmable ones - their trade options are now in every sneaker or jacket; or apply information with metal paint and microwires to camouflage.
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 1 June 2021 10: 17
              0
              For example, special car navigators would be useful to military drivers, voice informants for tankers: both of them often break cars due to incompetence, while a computer can tell with a speaker that the oil temperature is too high or speed, or dangerous actions are repeated: it can have sensors accelerations and displacements and a video camera to see and recognize the readings on the instrument panel or a falling asleep driver, determine the "goat", dangerous approach to obstacles and extreme dangerous tilt angles on slopes, poor driver performance with brakes and much more. Well, it costs less than repairing equipment.
              Onboard informants with voice alerts, for 100 years at lunchtime - in aviation, standard equipment in the avionics of any aircraft ..., with a pleasant female voice, in the GARMIN - in the latest models, even erotic notes have appeared ... wink seen for male pilots in private aviation !?
              1. ycuce234-san
                ycuce234-san 1 June 2021 18: 27
                0
                It is not interesting in aviation - it is high time to introduce them on ground equipment. The technical possibilities for this matured decades ago, but the inertia of thinking did not.
                For example, review cameras, night vision cameras, cruise control and much more will be useful for an army truck, not like a navigator, which was invented back in the 70s and sold commercially in the 80s. The first car navigator was a purchased long paper strip with a route, loaded into a special device that scrolled the map-tape to the driver, synchronously with his movements. Until now, the older generation of Americans have paper car maps and road atlases lying around on their cars, and these materials can be bought fresh in their counterparts at Soyuzpechat kiosks, only the ribbon card itself has disappeared, since it was replaced by an electrical appliance.
                1. Intruder
                  Intruder 1 June 2021 19: 57
                  0
                  For example - review cameras, night vision cameras, cruise control and much more will be useful for an army truck
                  view cameras have also been installed on armored vehicles for several years ... and even on all sorts of armored personnel carriers, especially since almost all new models are equipped with them, with all sorts of FLIRs, even the Coast Guard and the police have ... already, just in the Russian Federation it came through dozens of years ... but in Europe, it has long been used in the New World !!! Cruise control, this is a controversial issue, but it is needed this way, where there are country roads, or all kinds of forests ... and even more so if the tactical situation can change at any time for the driver or mechanized driver, an ambush or a change in the route of movement when patrolling, plus the rise in the cost of technology with this twist for driving comfort ... yes !?
                  1. ycuce234-san
                    ycuce234-san 1 June 2021 21: 52
                    0
                    Comfort can be translated into mileage - military officers will be able, statistically, to travel more, longer, faster. They will be less tired, will be more attentive on the road. Night cameras and cruise are converted to the same indicators (it is enough to maintain the distance in the column at least a little, making it easier for the driver, for which a simple acoustic or ultrasonic distance sensor is enough). There are also such things as air conditioners or their cheap, unpretentious, simplified ersatz - foam-rubber dust cabin filters and vaporizers-humidifiers for water: it would be nice to have them on a car while it is in an Afghan company, for example, or in a Syrian one now. And our designers will always be able to master such a simple "high-tech" working in any Africa. They will be able to include a glove compartment in the cab and dark glasses in it - for driving in strong sun and heat or in the snow in the sun, in a standard truck, a soft seat with a simple air suspension to protect against road vibrations, etc.
                    "Curved" mirrors and a bonnet mirror have long been asking for standard installation on a standard army truck.
                    1. Intruder
                      Intruder 1 June 2021 22: 03
                      0
                      soft chair on the simplest air suspension to protect against road vibrations
                      So now, in new versions of transport - there are suspension seats for the driver, to protect the spine in case of a mine explosion or an IED !? And for desert conditions, they also put air filters and even an air conditioning system with climate control!
                      They will be able to include a glove compartment in the cockpit and dark glasses in it - for driving in strong sun and heat in a standard truck
                      Sun protection goggles and a dustproof kit - a scarf or a mask, the fighter himself can wear in the pouch of the harness when exiting, why should he keep this in the car, it's not his personal transport !? wink
                      Night cameras and cruise are converted to the same indicators (it is enough to maintain the distance in the column at least a little, facilitating the driver's work, for which a simple acoustic or ultrasonic distance sensor is enough
                      Hmm, the Bundeswehr - "on a walk", on the autobahns of the Western Reich, or on the roads of Britain - the teachings of the brave SAS ??? good
                      1. ycuce234-san
                        ycuce234-san 1 June 2021 23: 46
                        +1
                        The mine suspension is designed for explosion and protection in a single event, and the constant many hours and many days of vibration of the engine and chassis are different in parameters. The rest is an example of what convenience it is necessary to think not only personally for the driver but also for the manufacturer - the point is that taking care of details is a standard and not a personal initiative.
  8. Alien From
    Alien From 31 May 2021 11: 54
    0
    The future has already arrived ...
  9. cniza
    cniza 31 May 2021 11: 55
    +3
    He fears that when using drones in autonomous mode (without an operator's command), the probability of fatal errors is very high.


    The big danger is holding ter. acts ...
  10. Van 16
    Van 16 31 May 2021 11: 55
    +7
    I am reminded of Robert Sheckley and his Guardian Bird ..
    1. Motorist
      Motorist 31 May 2021 20: 53
      +2
      Quote: Van 16
      I am reminded of Robert Sheckley and his Guardian Bird ..

      Rather, "The Ultimate Weapon".
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 1 June 2021 20: 02
        0
        Rather, "The Ultimate Weapon".
        Utopia, after all ... and fantastic !!! We do not believe in myths and fairy tales and do not use war magicians with all sorts of magi, in the 21st century ??? negative
  11. Ehmedli
    Ehmedli 31 May 2021 12: 02
    +2
    If an attentive watches the videos of the Azerbaijani Ministry of Defense from the Karabakh war, then one can see that half of the strikes were from the hag. Trucks, UAZs, manpower penetrated into dugouts, trenches, unarmored vehicles, even several times they hit the OSA air defense system with these drones, an explosion was probably enough to disable it. Yes, and it was difficult for the soldiers to hide from the Karg, they fled to the fortified dugouts - and the Karg followed them through the door or window and boom.
    In theory, several of these can be dropped from a UAV. Dozens of them can be made from a large UAV.

    This photo was taken in Karabakh. During unpacking of freshly delivered Kargu.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 31 May 2021 20: 42
      0
      "Yes, and it was difficult for the soldiers to hide from the Kargu, they fled to the fortified dugouts - and the hags followed them through the door or window and boom" ///
      ---
      This requires an experienced operator.

      I suppose you exaggerated about half of the blows: you can estimate by the power of the explosions,
      that most of the precision strikes were carried out by gliding bombs from drones
      or the "aircraft type" kamikaze drones themselves.
      But the photo is interesting.
      1. Ehmedli
        Ehmedli 31 May 2021 21: 08
        +3
        Quote: voyaka uh


        I suppose you exaggerated about half of the blows: you can estimate by the power of the explosions,
        that most of the precision strikes were carried out by gliding bombs from drones


        Here you can see how Kargu is chasing a soldier. The explosion power for a mini copter is quite. Don't think that Kargoo's blast is weak.)
  12. Wedmak
    Wedmak 31 May 2021 12: 02
    +4
    Here another problem emerges: how to distinguish an autonomous drone attack from a remotely piloted drone attack? Suppose an autonomous one attacks everyone who has not responded to the "friend or foe" radio request, what prevents from raising the same one, but under control, and making an attack? As a provocation, for example.
    Comrades are walking along a slippery slope ...
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 31 May 2021 16: 55
      -1
      Suppose an autonomous one attacks everyone who has not responded to the radio request "friend or foe", what prevents from raising the same, but under control, and making an attack? As a provocation, for example.
      Are you in your smartphone, do you have identification !? In the image of a face scan or a fingerprint sensor, it's just a primitive identification in your smartphone, but won't let strangers in !? He can understand that the objective control system is built into the control complex and is certified, with the sealing of the "black" box, and it contains the logs of which mode was used and where, on which device with the exact time and other parameters ...
  13. RealPilot
    RealPilot 31 May 2021 12: 13
    +3
    Quote: dauria
    Such systems are outright meanness and violation of modern "laws of war",

    Against the background of 10 warheads of 500 kt per city with a million population? No robots are enough to beat Hiroshima's meanness.

    The issue of personal responsibility matters. The command must be given by a person.
    Although, of course, it looks like mining. Launched, and the robot itself determines the victim. As with a mine: set and left, and who was blown up - these are his problems.
    But antipersonnel mines are not considered ethical. For obvious reasons, the attitude towards them has always been negative.
  14. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 31 May 2021 12: 20
    +6
    A very convenient system for some. There are no punishment mechanisms for crimes. I believe such means should be prohibited.
  15. SovAr238A
    SovAr238A 31 May 2021 12: 36
    +1
    As I understand it, either:
    1. One point with a radius (guaranteed detection - 30-50-70-100m), along which the UAV maneuvers in the form of a "360 flyby" "one point" - and any movement within this radius, detected by cameras, like a man - there is fire to defeat.
    2. Several points along which the route of patrolling and flying around the points is formed, and also according to the guaranteed detection range - 30-50-70-100m when flying along the route - there is fire to kill.

    As far as I still think, the Turks were not the first.
    The first automatic systems were built by Samsung and placed on the border with North Korea.
    And although it is written everywhere that without human confirmation, there will be no shooting.
    But ...
    The SGR-1 apparatus itself searches for targets, selects them itself, aims the machine gun itself, shoots itself, analyzes the result itself.
    A person just gives the go-ahead to "shoots himself."
    This human involvement can be ruled out simply and naturally.
    And you get automatic control of access zones.
    So we saw fiction from many films like Babylon N.E. - where this very control is carried out by the forces of automated systems without human intervention.
  16. Soldatov V.
    Soldatov V. 31 May 2021 12: 42
    +3
    The Programmable Robot Vacuum Cleaner works on the same principle, recharged itself, cleaned at a certain time and got into the dock. In case of an intruder, it kills it. You can reprogram it to the owner.
    1. Soldatov V.
      Soldatov V. 31 May 2021 14: 09
      -1
      It seems to me everything is much simpler than they imagine. Now many, if not all, have mobile phones that constantly communicate with the satellite, and that one determines the location of the phone carrier. Well, then the coordinates are transmitted to the combat quadcopter and voila.
      1. region58
        region58 31 May 2021 17: 56
        +2
        Quote: V.
        constantly contact the satellite, and he determines the location of the phone carrier.

        If you are talking about GPS, then the phone works only for reception, and the location is determined not by the satellite, but just by the program installed on the phone. In no other way does an ordinary cell phone interact with satellites.
        1. Soldatov V.
          Soldatov V. 31 May 2021 20: 02
          -1
          Take your phone, press the sos button and the operator will contact you. Tell them that you are lost and do not know where you are. They will tell you how to get out or send a helicopter with rescuers. If you lost consciousness and your relatives are looking for you, the Ministry of Emergency Situations will call your phone and determine your location even if there is no cell tower nearby. This is how communication works in Russia, I don’t know through ZhPS or GLONASS. The principle is the same all over the world. A charged and switched on phone every few seconds will throw into space "I am here"
          1. Rec
            Rec 1 June 2021 00: 15
            +3
            Quote: V.
            The Ministry of Emergency Situations will call your phone and determine your location even if there is no cell tower nearby

            Alas, this is not possible. There must be communication with at least one tower of any operator.
            Quote: V.
            A charged and switched on phone every few seconds will throw into space "I am here"

            It throws it out, not into space, but to cell towers.
            1. Soldatov V.
              Soldatov V. 1 June 2021 14: 28
              -1
              . I about three years ago on a drunken fishing trip where there was no connection so I contacted the rescue service. They asked how to help? Checked the connection, Sorry to say. Answers well. Try to return without incident. There is much we do not know and we are not told a lot. It is not for nothing that Bill Geitz is gluing his video camera on the computer.
              1. region58
                region58 1 June 2021 18: 45
                +2
                Quote: V.
                We don’t know much

                Who is stopping you from reading the technical documentation and making sure for yourself? Everything is in the public domain, according to GSM standards, civil GPS, and encryption protocols.
                About your case on fishing has already been indicated:
                Quote: Rec
                There must be communication with at least one tower of any operator.
                Moreover, the signal of your operator may be absent.
                Although fishing incidents ... they are ...
  17. nod739
    nod739 31 May 2021 13: 01
    0
    The UN did not hear about the 'dead hand' campaign))
  18. Decimalegio
    Decimalegio 31 May 2021 13: 20
    +2
    But how can he distinguish friend from enemy without operator intervention ????
    1. Decimalegio
      Decimalegio 31 May 2021 13: 29
      +1
      From what you wrote, I understand that this works like mine. Whoever falls within its area of ​​effect gets hit, right?
    2. region58
      region58 31 May 2021 18: 05
      +1
      Quote: Decimalegio
      will distinguish friend from enemy?

      No way at the moment. This is the danger, as already mentioned in the comments above. There is also a question of responsibility, there is generally a dark forest here ...
  19. Model101
    Model101 31 May 2021 13: 21
    0
    and calls for a ban on their development, production and use for military purposes.

    There is no need to prohibit anything, we cannot exist without a goal ..
  20. vl903
    vl903 31 May 2021 13: 28
    +2
    Can you fight off the hag with a saiga 12k?
    1. vl903
      vl903 31 May 2021 14: 29
      0
      buckshot for example? Is there a small charge for sure?
  21. Aleksandr97
    Aleksandr97 31 May 2021 13: 36
    +5
    The steel tread of the terminator ... sad
    Well, the 3 laws of robotics by A. Azimov have already been thrown out for unnecessary ... the time of robot-romance has sunk into oblivion.
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 31 May 2021 23: 09
      +2
      Quote: Aleksandr97
      the time of the robot romance has sunk into oblivion.

      Back in 1984 (or 2084 ???), exactly along with Werther, the last romantic robot. crying

      1. Intruder
        Intruder 1 June 2021 10: 24
        +2
        Back in 1984 (or 2084 ???), exactly together with Werther
        Hmm, every Soviet boy wanted this android as a personal friend, well, or almost everyone
        !!! good And not that now Western propaganda is driving into the brains ... all sorts of irrational fears, Skynets and terminators ... sheer military clique !?

        And so, the kind Soviet AI, with an excellent smile of pure artificial intelligence, there were times with faith - in the Eternal and the Good !!!
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 1 June 2021 10: 41
          +2
          Quote: Intruder
          .all irrational fears, skynets and terminators ... sheer military !?

          Well, yes, something like this:
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 1 June 2021 10: 53
            +1
            Well, yes, something like this:
            No, not so ... but an echo of what I wrote above about the "military" and the promotion of other values ​​in life negative
            There was a desire for this in the Future:


            And then, it turned out ... the pursuit of basic instincts, already in the present:
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 1 June 2021 20: 23
        0
        exactly along with Werther, the last robot-romantic.
        And by the way, he is much cooler in combat mode (our Soviet robot, just like: "Soviet peaceful tractor") than the Yankee's Terminator, even with fanfare in hand:
        in comparison with him, all sorts of T-1000, just snotty and liquid packemon ...
  22. Klingon
    Klingon 31 May 2021 13: 50
    +5
    having downloaded the software of this Kargi, if you have direct hands, you can reprogram any Phantom from DJI for this business, because it fits in size ... and in general now any drone (frame) can be printed on a 3D printer, motors, controllers, FPV camera and batteries with Aliexpress, if you want, you can even IR cam. order well, and the most important thing is software
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 31 May 2021 16: 57
      0
      if you have straight hands, you can reprogram any DJI Phantom for this business, because it fits in size ... and in general now any drone (frame) can be printed on a 3D printer, motors, controllers, FPV camera and batteries with Aliexpress, if you wish, you can even IR cam. order well, and the most important thing is software
      And the software is not very difficult - you can get it, you can order it online, if you have the appropriate connections in a number of areas ... just how much will the issue price come out ???
      1. Klingon
        Klingon 1 June 2021 00: 14
        +2
        everything that I described above, except for software, will be released at most 1000 greens. Well, the software .. although in this software the most important thing is the search algorithm. And if a target is found or target designation is given, then some kind of active track is simply turned on, the target is captured in a frame and the drone dives at it and that's it
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 1 June 2021 08: 41
          +2
          everything that I described above, except for the software, will be released at most in 1000 greens
          for the price of an automatic pistol, so these are mere pennies ... especially for those ... who need it !? Search algorithms, now being developed by many academic organizations, as scientific projects and commercial companies, to all and sundry, in the field of industrial vision and machine learning, this software is even easier to find on the network than an interesting book ... bully
          the target is captured in a frame and the drone dives at it and that's it
          cheap loitering ammunition, for Hamas specialists ... who were previously educated on the west coast of the United States !? wink
          1. Klingon
            Klingon 1 June 2021 13: 55
            +1
            look for interest on the YouTube channel Rcschoolmodels where the dude collects different drones, copters and aircraft types even cheaper, the more you can buy kit kits that can be modified or modified as you like and for any tasks
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 1 June 2021 14: 37
              +1
              look for interest on the YouTube channel Rcschoolmodels where the dude collects different drones, copters and aircraft types even cheaper, the more you can buy kit kits that can be modified or modified as you like and for any tasks
              That's how I signed up for a long time ... wink But thanks anyway!!!
              1. Klingon
                Klingon 1 June 2021 19: 48
                +1
                Well then, you know, now it's not a problem to bungle some kind of drone - kamikaze, even for guys in slippers with RPGs drinks
                1. Intruder
                  Intruder 1 June 2021 20: 14
                  +1
                  well then you know, now bungling some kind of drone - kamikaze is not a problem, even for guys in sneakers with RPG drinks
                  Absolutely, the truth is, when I start to move this topic, which year they mercilessly minus, constantly !!! Well, nothing, that’s us - and we are getting stronger ... wink
                  Here, the question of the price, practice and quality of custom assembly, but you can order assembly in any country in the world and hide behind a scientific (purely peaceful and necessary for society) project, and put the warhead itself, already in the garage workshop, literally in the kitchen, if your hands are not curves ..., as well as operator training (it's not tricky and you just need to fly in different conditions and areas ...), plus what level of software will it stand .., because it is different and has its own area of ​​applicability ...!? Not understanding the level of technology and without a desire to look a little into tomorrow ... leads in our time to stagnation and loss, especially in military affairs .., but a person, such a very die-hard creature lol , he needs to be stable in his comfort zone, hence there are many problems crying !!!
  23. And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 31 May 2021 14: 56
    +5
    In fact, such systems are not new. The same Israeli "Harpy" (which is 30 years old), in the mode of hunting for electronic warfare / radar, itself finds radiation sources and attacks them, without operator intervention (it may not exist at all, they set the patrol zone at launch and that's it). It goes without saying that target crews will be injured or killed.
    It is quite possible that this has already happened in Karabakh.
    It's just that earlier such systems had a narrowly targeted application and were not purposefully used against manpower.
    The quintessence of ranged warfare.
  24. isv000
    isv000 31 May 2021 15: 09
    +5
    No matter how this drone tracked its operator ... winked
  25. Fedorovich
    Fedorovich 31 May 2021 20: 00
    +2
    Aggressive Statement: Fear, pitiful meatbags!
  26. MAN AND RF
    MAN AND RF 31 May 2021 20: 41
    0
    Simple people do not know that only human intellect works in any program,
    who made the program. It wasn't a drone that killed someone, but a poorly made program.
    The drone manufacturer is to blame for not rushing through the program.
    embedded in the device. And don't dream of a cyborg war. The only trouble is fools who make programs without tests in order to get money sooner. In any machine, only a scanty intellect of a programmer. And if the fool-programmer is not controlled, then they write about self-driving (not controlled) drones.
    PROGRAMMER.
  27. MAN AND RF
    MAN AND RF 31 May 2021 20: 52
    0
    One should be afraid not of badly made drones, but not of tested programmers who stuffed something into these drones, but just idiots not tested
    neither in the sense of the adequacy of behavior, nor in the sense of the skills of practicing difficult
    technical systems. For such programming, you do not need to knock on the keys with a fly with your fingers and show super-skills of super-fast writing programs, but
    be an analyst capable of developing super-complex algorithms. And, most importantly, the development of "raw" programs. And where to find such ??. Long gone,
    because the money will still be paid, and what happens will not be shot. GAMES in programming, not JOB.
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  30. MAN AND RF
    MAN AND RF 31 May 2021 21: 07
    0
    In short, if the drone did something very wrong, it means that the programmer is to blame. And such a drone is not at all in the "self-control" mode, but in the non-controllable mode. Well, she doesn’t know how to behave, because she wasn’t told. And it looks like a hammer in the hands of an amateur. Comp is just a tool. The simplest drone program is to fly and shoot anything that moves. This is how inept people dream and do it.
    Because this is the simplest program. And they blame screwdrivers and chisels.
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  31. Black lotos
    Black lotos 31 May 2021 21: 11
    -3
    the problem is not progress and the capabilities of drones ...
    but as usual, ethical is not ethical. The future is as usual .. It is vague.
    New weapons always have ethical issues, and the future has always looked bleak.
    And here the difference is in the programs. A person with ethics always has problems. It is necessary here and now to kill another person in the framework of a war or conflict. All the participants in this process do not care about future problems; they have a problem here and now. And there, in the future, such progress can lead to problems much more serious.
    Mechanisms have been killing people for a long time. With a conveyor ... because a person himself can rather mow others in batches.
    Only forms and types change.
    Then we will not be evolutionarily replaced as a weak link in decision-making (take a long time and even get in the way of emotions)?
    We won't even be able to be slaves to technology ... weak and unreasonable bioforms ..
  32. Klingon
    Klingon 1 June 2021 00: 19
    0
    Here's what I didn't understand: what for this chassis quad, if it's disposable? for a quadcopter, excess weight is critical. Or does he have RTH?
  33. Vsevolod136
    Vsevolod136 1 June 2021 02: 44
    0
    What other "UN report" laughing , there is no report, there is a yellow newspaper that was paid for jeans, the meaning of which is in the alleged presence of AI in Turkish consumer goods.
    Even when the mattress gang was preparing the assassination of Qasem Suleimani, a drone guidance group was involved, AI did not "help", although the United States is the leader in both the development of UAVs and the so-called. "artificial intelligence"
  34. riwas
    riwas 1 June 2021 06: 14
    +1
    For ground combat robots, a full autonomous mode for opening fire is permissible only in pre-specified sectors of fire, where it is guaranteed that there will be no own.
  35. sen
    sen 1 June 2021 09: 00
    +2
    Conceptually, Kargu-2 is a relatively insignificant strike UAV by modern standards. It was developed by the Turkish company Savunma Teknolojileri Mühendislik ve Ticaret AŞ. The device began to be produced in 2019. The drone weighs 15 kilograms, it is able to stay in the air for up to 30 minutes.
    Kargu-2 can use a fragmentation warhead to destroy enemy personnel, as well as unarmored targets. Lightly armored targets can be attacked with a cumulative warhead. A thermobaric warhead is provided to destroy targets in a confined space.
    Experts believe that the low price and rather wide (for a device of this class) capabilities provide a good potential for the export of UAVs. Potential buyers include the countries of the Middle East.
  36. tank64rus
    tank64rus 1 June 2021 17: 49
    0
    Well, I think it has begun. They also wanted to ban machine guns, like OV, BO, and many weapons began in a similar way. True, it could end with the Terminator.