"Meteor missile guarantees victory for Eurofighter": Bundeswehr on modern air combat

Equipping German fighters with a long-range missile allowed them to move to a new level of combat effectiveness.

After adapting the Meteor guided missile to the Eurofighter fighter, which has become a multinational masterpiece [developed since 2002 by Germany, France, Italy, Spain and Britain], the country's Air Force opened a new milestone in its development

- indicated in the materials of the German armed forces.

It is emphasized that Meteor is a truly innovative solution from a technical point of view. While conventional missiles use only a rocket booster as their engine, the Meteor only needs it to reach supersonic speed. The direct-flow power plant, featuring high reliability, significantly increases the flight range [up to 200 km], which is "critically important for modern air combat."

The current battles in the air have little to do with the motion picture [...] it is unrealistic that two fighters will chase each other, performing sharp maneuvers at a distance of several hundred meters. Rather, we are talking about long-range combat

- believe in the Bundeswehr.

Therefore, it is important to be able to launch the rocket as early as possible, after which it will independently fly to its target. This principle, also known as fire and forget, ensures that the carrier aircraft is out of range.

You try to identify possible enemy aircraft at an early stage in order to surpass both their defense systems and the capabilities of their weapons

- note on the Bundeswehr's website, pointing out that "the Meteor missile guarantees the victory of the Eurofighter, turning it into an air superiority fighter."

Comments

[Xlor]

There is one question - will the classic air battles, which were in the Second World War, be in future wars?

[URAL72]

There will be. Not everyone has modern aircraft and missiles. In Yugoslavia, Ethiopia, the Indo-Pakistani conflict were. Sometimes you need to shoot down an intruder on Cessna, with drugs, for example, or a UAV. Stealth technology also reduces the combat distance. The meteor is good. We also need V-V ramjet missiles. Hopefully working on it. These technologies are not a secret for us.

[knn54]

The Japanese also participate in the program.
The speed is over 3M, compact, with AFAR. "Will fit" into the internal compartments of the F-35A.
In Russia, they are testing a similar rocket-product RVV-BD, but the dimensions (like) are bigger.

[yehat2]

Quote: knn54

In Russia, they are testing a similar rocket-product RVV-BD, but the dimensions (like) are bigger.

and Soviet missiles will remain in the warehouses of real parts.
look, the new generation of rockets is used mostly by pieces, the rest are old.
Formally, there are new missiles, but they are not used. That in fact is the absence.
Well, they will invent a new mega-rocket, they will release 10 pieces and that's all, and the rest - 10-12 pieces under the belly of the R60M melee missiles, which are 40 years old.

[Aag]

Quote: URAL72

There will be. Not everyone has modern aircraft and missiles. In Yugoslavia, Ethiopia, the Indo-Pakistani conflict were. Sometimes you need to shoot down an intruder on Cessna, with drugs, for example, or a UAV. Stealth technology also reduces the combat distance. The meteor is good. We also need V-V ramjet missiles. Hopefully working on it. These technologies are not a secret for us.

I think the question from Xlor was not about that ... Let me paraphrase, it's also interesting (since it's not special). Are the adversaries ready for this (?) (But, I think, extremely unlikely, if only as an exception, - due to the chaos from the scale of the confrontation ...) And so, well, at least, I would like to believe that they will not start raging without having a clear superiority (there are, of course, rabid politicians from a number of countries ...).
I would like to know your opinion.

[Mooh]

It would be nice to read the article before commenting;) It says that the Bundeswehr thinks not. But the Russian Aerospace Forces has a slightly different opinion on this matter.
Let me remind you that they already tried to bury the BVB in the 60s, they did not even put cannons on new fighters, but something went wrong, they had to return it.

[Cananecat]

Quote: MooH

It says that the Bundeswehr thinks not. But the Russian Aerospace Forces has a slightly different opinion on this matter.

As I understand it, "these stupid and illiterate Russians", in which case they will again break the template for brilliant Europeans by the lack of logic in their actions ...

[mvg]

in which case they will tear the template again

Tore a lot? Are there examples outside of alternate reality?

[Cananecat]

Quote: mvg

Tore a lot?

Learn the materiel ...

[Charik]

War not by the rules - the "hobbyhorse" of the Russian soldier

[Guru]

There is one question - will the classic air battles, which were in the Second World War, be in future wars?

The answer is simple ! Yes. There will be many precedents. For example, do you know that Hitler's tanks were destroyed with the help of cannons participating in the defeat of Napoleon?

And the article says; "Therefore, it is important to be able to launch the missile as early as possible, after which it will independently fly to its target."

But whether it will achieve the goal and destroy it is a question. And if it doesn’t destroy and there are no more missiles, and the evil ENEMY is approaching, then why should the pilot of the Eurofighter fighter TRACK?

[Thrifty]

Guru, weren't the guns of Tsar Salomon sinking the German aircraft carriers? Or, I got it wrong again , these were torpedoes from the Charlemagne period

[Guru]

Thrifty

Guru, weren't the guns of Tsar Salomon sinking the German aircraft carriers? lol Or, I again confused something belay, these were the torpedoes of the Charlemagne period recourse laughing

I understood your humor :) and when I found out I also laughed, but this is a historical fact. 152 millimeters is 152 millimeters and the Czech PZ-38 flew into 4 parts from being hit. This is the story of my people - I am Russian. And here you remembered Solomon Well i'm not your doctor
And it was also near Moscow in 1941, the cannons were from the museum.

[Thrifty]

Guru, do not believe me, I am Russian too! I do not need doctors, otherwise I will get a stroke again, but I read about the fact you indicated for a long time, but unfortunately I forgot

[Guru]

Guru, believe me, I am Russian too! Hi

The apologies were accepted, apparently I did not express myself quite correctly, but I just wanted to emphasize that no one canceled the close maneuvering fight (Dog's quarrel).

[Kuroneko]

There will definitely be no dog dump. If a western fighter is exposed to close combat with ours, he is a corpse. Only we took the path of super-maneuverability. And bourgeois pilots have long been afraid of close combat. In fact, they are not really taught him. So, the storming of the Papuans.

[aleks700]

Maybe the times of the Russian Turkish? 1877

[Guru]

Maybe the times of the Russian Turkish? 1877

Yes, you are right, I made a slip. But that doesn't change the fact, does it?

[aleks700]

Doesn't change. The main thing is efficiency. Used effectively? Yes, I think so.

[mvg]

This is the story of my people -I am Russian

It would be better not to laugh, but to make friends with the head ... there is definitely more sense. Well, they would separate the media nonsense from the real. It's just like smacking bricks on a tank .. PZ-38, although a light tank, is almost the best in its class. And there is armor steel.

[Jacket in stock]

Hitler's tanks were destroyed with the help of cannons participating in the defeat of Napoleon?

Which ones?

Quote: Guru

from the museum

Quote: Guru

it was near Moscow in 1941

Yeah.
I heard a ring, but you don’t know where he is.
The cannons from the museum did shoot at German tanks in 1941.
Only to the war with Napoleon, they are not in any way, because they were made 100 years later.
These were guns from the First World War.
You need to be more careful, and you also call yourself a guru.
Not solid.

[Guru]

I heard a ring, but you don’t know where he is.

You just heard the ringing, but did not understand where he is. I don’t want to discuss your children's passage, I’ll only ask leading questions.
1) What is Satya about?
2) In what context did I use the mention of the cannons from the museum.
Of course, I overdid it about Napoleon, but otherwise.
You can watch the video if you are too lazy to read.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps3JA5Y-L_U&t=7s
So you say Cannons of the First World War ??? So who hears the ringing and doesn't know where it is?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Thrifty

Salomon

Mona fat? Not Mona? Well, lana.

[TermNachTer]

And how many of those "Eurofighters" are in the ranks? Recently it was infa that the Germans do not have a gut, with a technical condition.

[NF68]

Quote: TermNachTER

And how many of those "Eurofighters" are in the ranks? Recently it was infa that the Germans do not have a gut, with a technical condition.

There is such a thing. And not only with aviation.

[nks]

Quote: Guru

For example, do you know that Hitler's tanks were destroyed with the help of cannons participating in the defeat of Napoleon?

These were the cannons of the late 19th and early 20th centuries. To the era of Napoleon (even 3) have nothing to do

[Prisoner]

Required. Unless a Fritz or another NATO falcon in flight has diarrhea after being intercepted by a vaunted rocket.

[NF68]

Quote: Xlor

There is one question - will the classic air battles, which were in the Second World War, be in future wars?

If such missiles are being developed in many countries, then such missiles are also needed.

[Herman 4223]

Approach is necessary for reliable target recognition. You need to make sure that the plane is definitely an enemy, that the rocket will go to the plane, and not the bait towed by the plane, you need to make sure that the locator sees the plane, and not some kind of electronic warfare. There are many reasons for rapprochement.

[Charik]

Come on, but friend or foe does not work, according to yours it is imperative to fly up and consider the stars in order to attack.

[Herman 4223]

Do not be lazy and search the Internet for an article by an American colonel on this topic. He describes the problems of long-range air combat well there, beyond visual visibility.
The unreliability of the identification system is one of the reasons why 90% of all downed aircraft were destroyed at close range. When red stars are visible

[Gunther]

Quote: Bundeswehr

Current battles in the air have little
in common with a movie [...] is unrealistic,
that two fighters will be
chase each other by doing
sharp maneuvers at a distance
several hundred meters. Rather speech
it's about ranged combat

in terms of insanity, the German experts were ahead of the Chinese:
“... In their opinion, the EF2000 with a probability of 82% will emerge victorious from the fight with the Russian Su-35, and its combat effectiveness is equal to five MiG-29 aircraft. Also, the developers believe that the "Eurofighter" in terms of turn rate (M <1 and M> 1) surpasses the Su-35, F-16C, MiG-29 and the French fighter "Rafale" .... "
as Mountain Shooter rightly said, the "meteor" will shine on the radar like a Christmas tree.
In addition to the traditional maneuverability of our fighters, there is a system of active and passive protection - in a real battle of the "big war" long-range air-to-air missiles may turn out to be unreliable, the operation of electronic warfare, the destruction of ACS systems will force the pilot to determine the target visually, and a more nimble fighter will have an advantage.

[isv000]

There is a Pokryshkin for every winner ...

[Mountain shooter]

The head will lock onto the target at a distance of 200 km? Or will the missile be thrown into the target area, and it will look for it itself? The emitter in the seeker of such power that it will capture an unobtrusive target for 200 km will shine on the radar like a Christmas tree.

[Thrifty]

Mountain shooter - don't worry, the target will be static so that the rocket spends a minimum of time to hit it

[Aag]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

The head will lock onto the target at a distance of 200 km? Or will the missile be thrown into the target area, and it will look for it itself? The emitter in the seeker of such power that it will capture an unobtrusive target for 200 km will shine on the radar like a Christmas tree.

Let's wait for what the specialists say. A long sword is not yet a skillful hand, a keen eye (simplified) ...

[Andylw]

controlled meteor.
detect a target and aim - the task of the fighter's radar

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: AndyLW

controlled meteor.
detect a target and aim - the task of the fighter's radar

Excellent! This means that the host-fighter will "shine". And he will immediately receive in return.

[Andylw]

if it is under the wing of the rvv-bd, then yes
and if only p-77, then oh ...

[garri-lin]

Plus a hot engine. There is something to visit with a simple anti-missile missile. A whole range of options.

[mvg]

The head will capture the target at a distance of 200 km

For the sake of variety, try not to draw nonsense for at least a couple of days, what if you like it? Well, not that difficult ...

[nks]

The target is locked on the trajectory along the preliminary control center with the possibility of adjustments.
The control center is not necessarily from the carrier aircraft and, by the way, the meteor has a bidirectional data channel - it can give information about targets back and forth.

[lucul]

"Meteor missile guarantees victory for Eurofighter": Bundeswehr on modern air combat

The R-37M rocket looks at them with bewilderment)))

[Zaurbek]

China has a ramjet rocket .... it is a medium V-V rocket ... and it can be carried by both the Grippen and the F-16. And the R-37M is a specialized heavy missile. Only recently it was integrated into the Su35S. On the Su30SM it is not ... on the MiG35S too.

[lucul]

China has a ramjet rocket

The question is in the launch range, and not which engine is worth)))

It is not on Su30SM

Su-30 SM will undergo modernization, they will be supplied with engines and avionics from the Su-35S, and will be adapted to the R-37M rocket.

[Zaurbek]

The question is in the media ..... EF analogue of the MiG29 (MiG-35S) ......

[lucul]

The question is in the media ..... EF analogue of the MiG29 (MiG-35S) ......

Are you okay ? Maybe the sun is shining too brightly, or the phases of the moon are not the same there? ))))
An article about the launch range of the Meteor rocket, which will provide their aircraft with guaranteed air superiority))))

[Zaurbek]

Meteor is a medium-range missile in weight .... Look in the mirror.

[lucul]

Meteor is a medium-range missile in weight .... Look in the mirror.

In general, I do not care what weight it is - it is stated that it is guaranteed to provide superiority, but it is not)))

[Zaurbek]

I don't care, or don't care ... or all of your fighters shoot at 200 km ... or just the MiG31.

[Andylw]

The R-37M rocket

is this a healthy fool in 600 kg, 4,5 meters long?

[lucul]

is this a healthy fool in 600 kg, 4,5 meters long?

So you have to pay for the launch range, don't you? ))))

[Andylw]

So you have to pay for the launch range, don't you? ))))

well, a meteor is 3 times lighter and shorter by almost a meter
and their range is close - 200 km

[lucul]

well, a meteor is 3 times lighter and shorter by almost a meter
and their range is close - 200 km

Yeah, 400 km against 200 km)))) Comparable range, yeah))))

[Andylw]

400km vs 200km

learn materiel
maximum range of p-37M - 200 km
it's a shame not to know

[lucul]

learn materiel
maximum range of p-37M - 200 km
it's a shame not to know

In the export version, yes, but for its troops 400 km. So learn the mathematical part according to our reference books, and not according to Western ones))))

[Andylw]

Export version yes

by again
R-37m is not exported
ashamed

[lucul]

by again
R-37m is not exported
ashamed

In addition to the P-37M, there is also just the P-37, with a similar range, but you probably haven't read about this in your western manuals)))))

[Andylw]

"there is also just R-37"
oh yes, is this the one that was made under Brezhnev?
okay ...
worthy rival
except for MiG-31 no one can lift this fool

[lucul]

oh yes, is this the one that was made under Brezhnev?
okay ...
worthy rival
except for MiG-31 no one can lift this fool

So we will write down - incompetent.
Su-35S calmly pulls it, soon the modernization of the Su-30SM for it)))

[Andylw]

Su-35S calmly pulls it

this is RVV-BD with a range of 200 km

Let's write it down - incompetent

ashamed

[lucul]

ashamed

I see you don't happen))))
The Su-35S was adapted primarily for the R-37, because the R-37M is a completely new rocket))))

[Andylw]

The Su-35S was adapted primarily for the P-37

in your dreams - maybe
but in reality - su35s carries r-37m

R-37M is a completely new rocket

of course new, r-37m, range 200 km

[sivuch]

https://missilery.info/missile/r37
Long range missile P-37 (RVV-BD)
In the same 1989, began testing missiles with a guidance system (2 launches). In April 1994, an air target was successfully struck at a record range of 304 km. Rocket tests continued until 1997.
Maximum launch range in PPS for some types of targets, km 200 (300 for K37M)
I will definitely pass it on to the authors of the site.

[Andylw]

I will definitely pass it on to the authors of the site

don't work
just go to the website of the Tactical Missile Armament Corporation - the manufacturer of the R-37m missile, and read its characteristics (range - up to 200 km)
everything is in Russian there, do not be afraid
it's not hard
https://www.ktrv.ru/production/voennaya_produktsiya/rakety_klassa_-vozdukh-vozdukh/raketa_rvv-bd.html

[sivuch]

Of course not difficult. As it turns out, reading carefully is much more difficult for some.
For example, the table says about the RVV-BD missile, which is not the same thing with the R-37M.
By the way, Karpenko writes about the 370 km range for the 37M. And the successful launch at 304 km even during the reign of Tsar Pea says a lot.

[Andylw]

I gave you a link to the data on the r-37m rocket (RVV-BD) from the official website of the developer and manufacturer of the rocket!
and this is the data of the R-37M, which is now serially produced and is in service
if you were in the subject, you would know that the mass and length of the rocket indicated on my link correspond exactly to the r-37m
R-37 is almost 100 kg heavier and longer

[sivuch]

You are not in the subject. Otherwise, they would have known that RVV-BD is an export designation. Those. rockets going for export (or supposed for export). Their performance characteristics almost always differ for the worse from their own.
And you don't remember the tests in 1994 - why?

[Andylw]

RVV-DB have NEVER been exported
and here it is:

RVV-BD is an export designation

nonsense

[sivuch]

And without rudeness?
The rocket could be offered for export.

[Andylw]

and could not
it is not exported

[Zaurbek]

Carrier EF-2000 or Rafal ..... or MiG-35S

[bk0010]

Quote: AndyLW

well, a meteor is 3 times lighter and shorter by almost a meter

What about the price?

[Zaurbek]

In terms of prices, the Russian Federation is rapidly catching up with the West ...... Russian does not mean cheap anymore.

[Gunther]

Quote: Author

“Meteor rocket guarantees Eurofighter victory,
turning it into an air superiority fighter. "

“-... caught, caught him, shouted Hans, grabbing his hands and feet like a tick in the paw of a bear
-well caught, said the bear, gently lifting Hans by the scruff of his neck
-further what? ..... "

[Thrifty]

In fact, time will tell, but against an obviously weak enemy it is good to use long-range weapons in order to minimize your losses in equipment and eliminate losses in manpower.

[Pandiurin]

Quote: Thrifty

In fact, time will tell, but against an obviously weak enemy it is good to use long-range weapons in order to minimize your losses in equipment and eliminate losses in manpower.

It makes sense to use long-range missiles against the weak, because although he really has a cheap outdated aircraft, there is a chance of losing his expensive one.

But it makes even more sense against a strong opponent. Because he also has expensive equipment, but the result of the battle is no longer predictable. In addition, a strong enemy will be able to use long-range missiles.

In total, we get that it makes sense to use long-range missiles always against any enemy, especially against a strong one.

What then are short-range missiles for, they can be used as antimissiles.

Why, then, long-range missiles if they are shot down by anti-missiles while approaching the target. It's all about probability.
So it is necessary to extinguish targets with a large number of missiles.

The conclusion is that it is necessary to fly in a large crowd so that the total number of missiles is much greater than that of the enemy and to use heavy UAV fighters as carriers of air-to-air missiles. those. not only quality is important, but also quantity, and superiority in quantity gives a qualitative advantage.

[Herman 4223]

The first time I hear that a meteor at 200 km can be thrown, before the number was written in half less. But the rocket appears to be good.

[Xlor]

The answer is simple ! Yes There will be many precedents

In the last war - Karabakh - aviation, as far as I know, was not used. Can you give an example of the serious use of aviation since the end of the Vietnam War?

[lucul]

Can you give an example of the serious use of aviation since the end of the Vietnam War?

Were there serious wars between equal opponents? )))

[Xlor]

The Karabakh war, of course, does not reach the WWII, but aviation was not used in it

[lucul]

The Karabakh war, of course, does not reach the WWII, but aviation was not used in it

Do you equate a border conflict with a full-scale war? Nu-nu)))

[Xlor]

And it doesn't matter at all what kind of war it was. When there is a fight, then you don't really think about how to hit, with a fist or an iron crowbar - all means are good! However, neither the one nor the other side, aviation was not used. Why?

[lucul]

However, neither the one nor the other side did not use aviation. Why?

Because this is a border conflict, and these countries are microscopic in size - there is already a problem to take off, you immediately run into the border of another state, but you also need to gain height ..

[Pandiurin]

Quote: Xlor

The Karabakh war, of course, does not reach the WWII, but aviation was not used in it

Karabakh had no aviation.
There were no large-scale hostilities between Armenia and Azerbaijan.
Azerbaijan fought against Karabakh.

[alexmach]

but aviation was not used in it

It was also used as a matter of fact.

[sivuch]

Still, quite limited. Azerbaijanis write about 500 BV

[alexmach]

This is not counting drones, as I understand it?
But yes, there really were no air battles. Probably in view of the multiple advantages of Azerbaijan.

[sivuch]

without them, of course. This is when they admitted the loss of the Su-25 (it suddenly turned out that sometimes it is necessary to throw ingots with a weighty warhead)

[Marachuh]

I remember the Americans already foresaw the wars of the future and abandoned the cannon armament of aircraft. And now the question is: how many "meteors" can Eurofather take? And how many, say, will it take short-range missiles? And what will happen when the "meteor" ends, and the enemy still has missiles?

[lucul]

I remember the Americans already foresaw the wars of the future

Exactly, and for this they developed the SDI program))))

[alexmach]

I remember the Americans already foresaw the wars of the future and abandoned cannon armament

Or maybe they were on the whole right and were just in a hurry? Did you just do it without reaching the required technological level?

[Luminman]

Quote: Marachuh

I remember the Americans already foresaw the wars of the future and abandoned the cannon armament of aircraft

Not only the Americans refused cannon armament. This fad was like that. Then changed their minds

[Xlor]

Quote: NF68

Quote: Xlor

There is one question - will the classic air battles, which were in the Second World War, be in future wars?

If such missiles are being developed in many countries, then such missiles are also needed.

I remember that battleships were also developed in all countries ...
Fortifications such as the Maginot Line were also under construction. Also in almost all countries ...

[Luminman]

You can also remember about chemical weapons, which remained in warehouses throughout the war, although great importance was attached to it in a future war!

[Reserve buildbat]

Okay. The range of 200 km is an indicator. Can you clarify the speed and overload? And if at 200 km the speed of this "meteor" is about 0, and the available overload is 0,00000 ..... g, then there is about the same sense in it.

[garri-lin]

200 km is the range with the engine running. If some publications do not lie. It turns out Meteor will be able to maneuver without losing speed.

[voyaka uh]

The missile is wonderful, but you must first see the enemy in order to realize its increased range.
And the Typhoon pilots complained at the joint NATO exercises that they already "see the F-35 in infrared optics, and the radar screen is empty."
So you can't win air supremacy.

[bk0010]

Quote: voyaka uh

And the Typhoon pilots complained at the joint NATO exercises that they already "see the F-35 in infrared optics, and the radar screen is empty."

And what's the problem? The MiG-29, for example, has the main optical system.

[voyaka uh]

The problem is distance. Optical sights have several times less
range than radars.
And in a narrow aiming angle.
This was the weakness of the MiG-29, by the way. They are for close combat only.
Su-27s were detected and shot down by MiG-29s before they were noticed in
Ethiopian-Eritrean War.

[nks]

The problem in this case, Aleksey, is that you constantly (however, there are most of them here), talk about things in which you do not understand anything and even worse. In your example, the OLS had a greater range than the radar. The detection range depends on both the characteristics of the sensor and the target. Modern OLS operate at a range of BVR 100 + km, and the F-35 have a very noticeable optical signature. The OLS has problems (solvable) with determining (measuring) the range to the target, but not with the viewing angles. On the contrary - IR-GOS URVV have larger viewing angles than RL-GOS
By the way, do not give a link, where did the Typhoon pilots say that?

[nks]

Quote: bk0010

The MiG-29, for example, has the main optical system.

It is not.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: voyaka uh

Typhoon pilots complained at the joint NATO exercises that they already "see the F-35 in infrared optics, and the radar screen is blank."

Firstly, the radars on Eurofighters are being changed.
Secondly, our Su30 / 35 and MiG29 are far from being "penguins". They and old radars were well seen.

[Wolf]

I’m not a pilot, but a libertine, but it seems to me that the discussion is so little childish?
On one side, they talk about the long-range Meteor explosive missile, and then they direct the turning speed of M1 and M2.
SIMPLE LOGIC IF THEIR ADVANTAGE OF A RANGE ROCKET WHAT IS THE TURN SPEED FOR? WHAT THEY WILL IN THE M1 TURN WILL LAUNCH A FAR ROCKET?

IDEALS CARRIER OF MIG 31, SU57 (SU35S) AND F22 RANGE ROCKETS, NO TYPHOON, RAPHAL, F16, F35.
SUPPLYING A RANGE ROCKET ON A TYPHOON IS LIKE TO SUPPLY A BREAST ON A CHICKEN IF GOING TO A BATTLE WITH AN EQUAL OPPONENT.
If they consider that the turning speed of the M1 is their advantage, then they consider a dog fight, and in a dog fight they eat a few examples from practice, even with the Indians and in the USA, the result of the dogs in the fight was about 10: 0, and they eat examples with FRENCH, they are scary by planes and approximately the same score, honored pilot Rusie and now be active.
One of the pilots genetically the best were and remain OURS - Prusi, Luzhchki Serbs, Polaki, Rus (Belarus and Ukrainians are here too), Hungary, even part of Bulgars and part of Rumuns.
But in fact, the battle will be close to retko, AT THE MIDDLE RANGE THERE WILL BE A HEAD OF BATTLE, at a long distance an explosive missile against a super-maneuverable SU 35S or SU 30 has LITTLE CHANCES for success for various reasons
At the same time, it will be important for OCHIM how many missiles are there, and in WHAT COMBINATIONS CAN THE AIRCRAFT CARRY?
Here F35 is clearly lost!
The post is clearly a PROPAGANDA FOR CHILDREN DOES NOT HAVE TRUE FROM REALITY!

[Wolf]

On this world, everything moves, nothing stands still, and so is the air battle from WWII, WWII, and today. PMV - dog "cocker spaniel", WWII dog "Pete Bulovski", today almost hectares will not have passed time, long-range battle 4 world war.

[Vlad Pervovich]

but what about the "KS-172"? myth?
Well, yes, the size is decent, but the range ... 400 !!!

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Vlad Pervovich

but what about the "KS-172"? myth?

No, not a myth.
But not reality either.
Not so long ago, here at VO we discussed this.
KS-172 was made by an air defense company, and this is a different department. Therefore, the "pilots" chose the P-37, worse, but from the right people.

[Castro Ruiz]

Meteor is a very good PRVD rocket with excellent parameters.

[sivuch]

Of course, Meteor, or rather, its engine, has a serious advantage - a much longer operating time. But there are also questions - how the direct flow will work at high angles of attack

[Zaurbek]

In the case of a ramjet, the traditional taxiway works for a while and then turns off, then - Inertia .... A ramjet gives thrust all the time and at the end sections such missiles are faster. (Therefore, GP missiles are a difficult target for missile defense)

[sivuch]

That's why they came up with 2 and even 3 regime DRM. And, perhaps, this is a better solution than direct flow.
Four K-37Ms are suspended in two pairs one after another under the MiG-31BM fuselage. At launch, the rocket is first thrown down from the aircraft with the help of the AKU-410-1 catapult installation, and then the dual-mode solid-fuel engine is launched.

[Zaurbek]

The direct flow takes oxygen from the air ... and therefore, weighs less and has a smaller radius

[saffron]

All planes with crosses and pilots found their place along the way and these will find their place in the ground.

[Synoid]

Shield and sword. Aircraft protection does not stand still either.
Firstly, on these 200 kilometers, it is still necessary to detect the target, which, with the well-coordinated work of the jammers, will not be a trivial task.
Secondly, the very noise immunity of the missile homing head.

[Jacket in stock]

It's funny to read the discussion here.
Kindergarten at the matinee.
For some reason, "theirs" Meteor must not fly, miss it, will be shot down on approach by our interceptor missiles (are there any such missiles?).
But our missiles will definitely fly, they will definitely hit, and immediately after the "their" plane has time to turn on its radar and before it has time to release its missiles, they will teleport in no other way.
Thank you comrades, they made me laugh.

[sivuch]

And if missiles from both sides miss, then it will come ... no, not a fox, but a BVB in its classic form.

[sivuch]

Or maybe you will write who exactly wrote such nonsense? I haven't found anything like that. That there are electronic warfare containers in the world (in particular, against the GOS) and towed traps is a sacred truth. But that only enemy missiles will be smeared - I have not found such a thing.
There are no interceptors yet (although the Americans at one time strongly promoted CUDA). By the way, just in this case, Meteor will be in a losing position - it has a much higher RCS.

[Pavel57]

Meteor modern rocket. Some pluses besides the altitude due to the ramjet engine.

[sivuch]

Dv, modern, and a lot of pluses. But how its engine will work at high angles of attack is another question. Just do not have to answer that once they have adopted it, then it is normal.

[Tektor]

This is a real moment of lagging behind our VKS. After all, for 3-4 years there have been talks about the need to finance the domestic RVV with the RVV-AE-PD ramjet engine.

but everything went off into a whistle. But the peculiarity of this rocket is that the longer it traveled and burned fuel, the more maneuverable, faster and angrier it becomes, in contrast to rockets with other engines. That is, at long distances it becomes more murderous, more effective.
According to known data, the RVV-AE-PD rocket has a body with a length of 3700 mm and wings with air intakes. The mass of the rocket is greater than that of the R-77 missiles in service and is 225 kg. The missile speed is Mach 5, the range is up to 180 km.

[sivuch]

I'm not sure if direct flow is a panacea, perhaps a dual-mode engine (as on the R-37M) is the best solution.
The performance characteristics of the R-37M are not disclosed, it is only known that its design is made according to a normal aerodynamic configuration with a low aspect ratio wing. The rocket weighs more than 500 kilograms, the high-explosive fragmentation warhead weighs 60 kilograms. On the final leg of the flight, the rocket is accelerated to a hypersonic speed of Mach 6.
Source: http://nevskii-bastion.ru/rvv-bd/ VTS "NEVSKY BASTION" AVKarpenko

[sivuch]

https://missilery.info/missile/meteor
Meteor long-range aircraft missile
The use of a ramjet engine provides an increase in the average trajectory flight speed of the rocket and the firing range. According to advertising materials, the maximum range of the rocket reaches 150 km.
Maximum firing range, km >100
Maximum flight speed, M 4.5
By the way, MBDA is modestly silent about the maximum range, while other sources vaguely write about 100 plus.

[Pavel57]

Quote: Tektor

But the peculiarity of this rocket is that the longer it traveled and burned fuel, the more maneuverable, faster and angrier it becomes, in contrast to rockets with other engines.

It's like, especially about meaner.

[Ilya_Nsk]

Americans (the editor excludes another word for some reason) also wanted to win with missiles in Vietnam, then the guns in containers had to be hung up .. interference, for example? Yes, be it at least with a photon engine .. She is the goal How "sees"? On the radio? in the IR range? Combined? Oh, this dream about the wunderwaffe