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German press: Poland's purchase of Turkish Bayraktar TB-2 attack UAVs significantly increases the combat capability of the Polish army

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The Polish and German press are reacting to information on the acquisition of the Turkish Bayraktar TB-2 reconnaissance drones for the needs of the Polish armed forces. Earlier in Poland, it was noted that the decision to purchase UAVs was made based on the successful combat use of these drones during the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh.


Assessing the Polish purchase of Turkish drones, the German newspaper Die Welt writes that the appearance of the Bayraktar attack "significantly increases the combat capability of the Polish army." From the material of the German magazine with reference to the security expert of the European Council on Foreign Relations Ulrike Franke:

Warsaw is ahead of Berlin in this regard, entering an exclusive club.

According to the correspondent of the aforementioned publication in Warsaw, Philip Fritz, Poland has become the second EU country after France, which has acquired shock drones.

Philip Fritz:

This enhances Warsaw's prestige in European security policy. This became possible also because Poland follows the obligations in the NATO format and allocates 2% of GDP for the army. The Polish government seeks to bring this level to 2,5% of GDP.

These statements indirectly indicate that there are forces in Germany that are promoting primarily American interests in increasing the FRG's military budget. Germany is still a country that spends less than 2% of GDP on the military component - the amount that is spelled out in the charter of the North Atlantic bloc.

The German journalist writes that the Polish authorities continue to make efforts to ensure that Germany and France treat Poland as an equal partner in the European Union.



From the article:

The agreement with Turkey goes beyond the EU. First of all, this is a signal for Russia. But Germany does not even have the infrastructure for the maintenance and operation of attack UAVs.

In the Polish media, picking up the statements of German reporters, they write about the development of the unmanned component of the country's army and "signals to Russia."
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 31 May 2021 06: 59
    +8
    Recently, something is being overrated too (good, and in my opinion) weapon - "bayraktar".
    Yes, the weapon is good, but at the moment this UAV has a recognized success - only commercial. You can't argue with that.
    1. knn54
      knn54 31 May 2021 07: 16
      +8
      If the Turkish UAVs SIGNIFICANTLY strengthened the Polish Army, then one can only guess about the current state of the Polish Air Force.
      1. PetrovMisha2060
        PetrovMisha2060 31 May 2021 07: 56
        +1
        The condition is known, except for 48 f-16, the rest of the old instant and su of the early export modifications do not pose a danger.
        1. Mitroha
          Mitroha 31 May 2021 08: 03
          +2
          This enhances Warsaw's prestige in European security policy.

          Uh-huh, buying Turkish drones increases prestige Poland .... With what fright, you ask?
    2. Hagen
      Hagen 31 May 2021 07: 26
      +5
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Yes, the weapon is good, but at the moment this UAV has a recognized success - only commercial.

      This Bayraktar, as an attack UAV, is good against an enemy that does not have a developed air defense system. That is, against us, and we in Europe are the only probable enemy for NATO, it can only be used as a frontier reconnaissance agent in peacetime. As a shock one, it can only be used in cases where NATO missions are performed against the countries of the military. "third" world ", for example, in Africa. And this means - for the sake of the goals of the United States and at the expense of itself. So it is time for Germany to quietly put a plus, for cost savings. "from direct participation in overseas NATO missions, in which the United States solves its own selfish goals. Perhaps this is why Merkel appointed the gynecologist as Minister of Defense ?! laughing
      1. Rasul Aliyev
        Rasul Aliyev 31 May 2021 08: 28
        0
        in Karabakh, the Armenians had a large number of air defense systems wasp, circle, cube, c-75, c-125 and these UAVs coped well with them, although the An-2 unmanned aerial vehicles were used at first, even the s-300 were destroyed in YouTube there is
        1. LifeIsGood
          LifeIsGood 31 May 2021 09: 17
          +1
          s-300 there is far from unambiguous ... it has long been proven kakraz on that famous video (strike on the radar) and you can see the S-300 radar (which was hit) is completely different. Another video where they beat in the field do not understand that at all, Well, there was also a video where a blow is inflicted on a PU that is not in combat ...
          Do not take the OSA air defense system into account at all - this log with wings flies banally higher than this air defense system can get (by the way, by the way, it was mostly bombed).
          The rest in Karabakh could be counted on the fingers ... and not the fact that I was "found" at all.
          The general air defense system ... there is nothing to say because it was not in principle. We can see the result ourselves.
          And not all the Bayraktars could endure the air defense, no one canceled the DRG with the MLRS.
          1. Patigorsk2020
            Patigorsk2020 31 May 2021 11: 53
            -1
            Quote: LifeIsGood
            The rest in Karabakh could be counted on one hand ...

            Look at the videos that I posted here and it is unlikely that by the amount of destroyed equipment (we are talking about air defense), we can say that they had air defense in the number of fingers. Also in the videos you can see that many air defense systems were in working order.
        2. Hagen
          Hagen 31 May 2021 09: 25
          +1
          Quote: Rasul Aliyev
          in Karabakh, the Armenians had a large number of air defense systems wasp, circle, cube, c-75, c-125

          I want to point out to you that Russia is not Armenia at all. There is no need to list what is in Armenia. We have all this at a completely different level of both quantity and quality. And in terms of mat. Part, and in terms of personnel.
          1. dauria
            dauria 31 May 2021 10: 16
            0
            I want to note that Russia is not Armenia at all


            And Armenia did not come to the war either. Thanks to Pashinyan, I was not stupid. Azerbaijan actually "evicted the Gypsies" who built up their territory without permission. What kind of air defense is there? And in a real war, the question will arise about winning air supremacy, at least in the front sector. And how is this construction from the times of the Second World War useful there? You don't even need a cannon - fly nearby and blow engines on it. Even looking after a herd of cows is so expensive.
            1. Patigorsk2020
              Patigorsk2020 31 May 2021 11: 50
              -1
              Quote: dauria
              Yes, and Armenia did not come to the war.

              You're lying !!! How did it not fight? You are misleading people. They say in Karabakh a certain army of Karabakh fought against Azerbaijan. These are the same Armenians with Armenian passports and with Armenian citizenship. Otherwise, there would not be thousands of graves in Yerevan. The Armenian army participated with all the weapons that were available. From DEATHS to Iskander. They just showed them what happens when there is no Russian soldier nearby !!!! They are not warriors.
        3. dima314
          dima314 1 June 2021 17: 00
          0
          How to make An-2 unmanned and why? He has everything with pedals and cables controlled and there is no autopilot as I know. And why is it needed if there are all sorts of educational targets and false targets. I strongly doubt that the people of Karabakh have combat-ready S-75s, and it’s not a complex for a long time, this is a technique from the times of the war in Vietnam. The S-125 will be fresher, but if the Belarusians did not modernize it, then it is also a corpse. They are all tube, and the S-75 also has a liquid rocket, and for a long time there are no spare parts for them, well, you can only ask Iran. And who knows how to use this museum property? I don’t know about Wasp and KUB, but everything is also dense, and if something fired, it was in spite of, and not because it should, and I’m not talking about where it was firing.)
      2. donavi49
        donavi49 31 May 2021 08: 52
        +1
        Widespread misconception. They say we will put the S-400 and no one will fly.

        First, there will be. The same Azerbaijanis showed how it is possible to soften the air defense with the help of An-2, which revealed positions by themselves, and then covered them with UAVs and MLRSs. If you put NATO / RF, then the air defense will be softened by American UAVs, targets and breakers paired with wild weasels (and their European counterparts), who massively throw all that shines with PRR. By type, it is better to throw 70% of missiles into traps than to miss a couple of radars.

        Secondly, there will not always be any reason or justification for crushing the UAV right now. Again, if we take NATO / Russia, then the UAVs will fly 20-30 units in the sector, not counting the drones from the alishka, and in the safe zone there will be another 20-30 aircraft with PRR / bombs / URVV.

        The point is not that UAVs will win a big war. But they will be very useful in different statuses, in this big war.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 31 May 2021 09: 38
          +1
          Quote: donavi49
          They say we will put the S-400 and no one will fly.

          I also made references to the S-400. Firstly, Poland, even with its crazy political leadership, will never start a war with Russia. For some reason I am sure of this. For there will be a response, and such that they will not even remember about their UAVs. Therefore, in principle, it will not reach the S-400. Poles are not Azerbaijanis, and we are not Armenia. I think that even if something "out of the ordinary" happens, ground combat operations will be so saturated with the work of electronic warfare and air defense systems that this apparatus will have nothing to do there. And many, not only ours, expressed their opinion that Bayraktar is not a difficult target for a serious air defense, but for the Poles it is almost 5 million greens for each instance. And over time, when the promised "nails" will be put on the shells, and the "air defense derivation" will take place in combat units with programmable ammunition, there will be no room for the bayraktar on the battlefield, even theoretically.
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 31 May 2021 10: 54
            0
            So far, appeals to REB / P have not shown themselves in the case. There are broken jammers, but UAVs do not suffer from them very much. Plus, again, it's a losing battle in perspective. Already now, the same kamikaze are operating on auto-escort. That is, the final section is on autopilot, and even if there is a failure of guidance, it will fly. The Americans hit a 65 mph pickup in full automatic mode. This is what it is now. In 5 years, UAVs will be able to operate autonomously, using their own signature libraries, their own preinstalled neural networks for a set of different images, identifying camouflaged equipment, etc.

            Obviously, in the near future, the operator for the UAV will only be a control and approving function, which can be neglected in a serious war. Dumping a couple of blown up school buses on the bloody regime of the defenders.

            In such a situation, EW / P, even in theory, will not be able to counteract. For the UAV is able to operate autonomously on a flight mission (yes, it can no longer be corrected with dense interference) and to unload ammunition according to the preset priorities / library of potential targets (yes, it is less effective to select and set priorities than on the operator's control, but still effective).


            As for Poland, I wrote above, they will gladly (well, or the leadership) burn in the fire of a nuclear flame, the main thing is to annoy the "Muscovites". Or Fort Trump, missile defense, preliminary consent to the deployment of medium-range missiles in Europe (this is so far the only country in Europe that has expressed its readiness to accept American MRBM / KR after the end of the treaty), do they not convince you?
        2. LifeIsGood
          LifeIsGood 31 May 2021 09: 38
          0
          Well, well ... you would "cut the sturgeon" .... Do not forget that the UAV is not some kind of independent substance that itself is controlled, refueled, carries out maintenance and is stored somewhere in a "subspace pocket" ...
          In fact, a UAV is the same aircraft only costs less and the pilot (operator) does not die.
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 31 May 2021 10: 42
            0
            It depends on what kind of UAV. Well, there are significantly fewer operations even with a heavy jet UAV than with the F-16. Plus one pilot at the checkpoint (and if we are talking about SATCOM UAV, then in general, somewhere in Florida, safely and without travel allowances) is able to control several UAVs in the sky at once. Varying flight missions and taking on manual approval / control only for a short time at the right time.

            Again, flocks of any UAV targets in general will be controlled insofar as, for their task is to accumulate more missiles and light up positions.
    3. Patigorsk2020
      Patigorsk2020 31 May 2021 09: 14
      0
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      this UAV has a recognized success - only commercial.

      Armenians will not agree with you.
      1. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 31 May 2021 10: 21
        +2
        The Armenians should have invested in air defense over these years, and not crawled out.
        1. Patigorsk2020
          Patigorsk2020 31 May 2021 11: 42
          +1
          Quote: Incvizitor
          The Armenians should have invested in air defense over these years, and not crawled out.


          What makes you think that they did not have air defense? Below are videos where you can see the destruction of various types of air defense. They had different air defenses and a lot was destroyed thanks to Turkish and Israeli weapons. It should also be emphasized that some of their air defenses were detected by maize. The answer is obvious. Not they, not their training, not their technique, did not cope with the war of the 21st century. And they were also ruined by this empty faith in their invincibility. Pride!





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          2. Patigorsk2020
            Patigorsk2020 31 May 2021 11: 43
            0
            Extension

          3. Incvizitor
            Incvizitor 31 May 2021 17: 38
            0
            I did not write that there were no old items and that there were only a few pieces of modern radars, I doubt that there was any training, if there were normal modern layered air defense and proper training would have been like in Syria for a couple of days and they all shot down and merged the city in a couple of days, which is also speaks of filthy preparation and perhaps a reluctance to fight properly.
  2. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 31 May 2021 07: 01
    +3
    This increases the prestige of Warsaw in the security policy in Europe.

    Yeah, in which case Warsaw will be protected from Iskander by prestige.
    It's funny, of course, to read the conclusions of various zhurnalyug ... they write all sorts of nonsense, they don't even think about the meaning of what they write in the articles.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 31 May 2021 07: 05
      +8
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      do not even think about the meaning of what they write in the articles.

      That's for sure, they are carrying such a blizzard: Warsaw is ahead of Berlin in this regard, entering an exclusive club.

      I always thought that the exclusive club includes those who DO, not buy. Something in the world is now all upside down.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 31 May 2021 08: 48
      +1
      Poland as a whole is happy to be the first to be burnt in a nuclear blaze. The main thing is that they were the first to strike at the "Muscovites, the damned oppressors of Poland since the 17th century". Therefore, the Iskander threat will not work. On the contrary, they are doing everything to make them come in more - missile defense, Fort Trump, preparation for the possible deployment of American SD missiles in Europe (it was Poland that has already expressed its readiness).
  3. KCA
    KCA 31 May 2021 07: 03
    +3
    Poland's purchase of the Bayraktar TB-2 Turkish drone UAV significantly increases the combat capability of the Polish army in the eyes of the Polish army
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 31 May 2021 07: 11
      +2
      Quote: KCA
      Purchase of Turkish Bayraktar TB-2 drone UAVs to Poland significantly increases the combat capability of the Polish army in the eyes of the Polish army

      It is in vain that the Poles think that Germany and France will perceive Poland as an equal partner. This is how the Poles think with the Ukrainians to hide behind, so the "strong Europe" will do with the Poles. And to bite off the neighbors of the territory - so you yourself will have to give what they were attached after the Second World War.
    2. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 31 May 2021 08: 35
      -2
      significantly increases the fighting efficiency of the Polish army in the eyes of the Polish army
      ... yes, everything is simple ... the Turks sold for expensively useless rattles that they made in school air circles, and with this money they bought S-400 from us ... so nothing but business
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 31 May 2021 08: 44
        +2
        But Yuri Borisov disagrees with you, and demands from Kronshtat and other enterprises to wrap snot on the fist, and from the departments to ensure the speediest passage of components across the border so that the UAVs flow in a stream and the plan for 2021 is fulfilled, or better, exceeded. At the same time, it threatens that if the plan is overwhelmed, then already in 22, they will receive a lawsuit.

        It's about Altius, Orion.


        There should also be progress (obviously state) in the long-suffering Corsair, where the Italians blocked the engines and other related systems and had to redo 30% of what was shown at the 2018 parade.
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 31 May 2021 08: 54
          0
          At the same time, it threatens that if the plan is overwhelmed, then already in 22, they will receive a lawsuit.
          .... Yuri Ivanach coped well with the main task .. namely, the development and supply of hypersonic weapons. and everything else is pretty serious ... for this he has the right to play in the sandbox ... especially with our huge territory it is necessary
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 31 May 2021 07: 07
    +3
    You rejoice early, gentlemen Poles. Any bet on superweapons in a war with Russia is not sustainable ... But only creates false illusions ...
  5. Marachuh
    Marachuh 31 May 2021 07: 12
    +5
    Signal for Russia .... eh ... It sounds something like this: "The Indians came up with a new titev for bows, this is a signal to the Americans with their firearms and cannons."
    1. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 31 May 2021 08: 29
      0
      It sounds something like this: "the Indians came up with a new titev for bows
      ....... this is too technologically advanced ... soon they came up with a new paint for the feathers on the head
  6. Prisoner
    Prisoner 31 May 2021 07: 16
    +4
    what What should be the combat readiness that the purchase of a UAV would "significantly increase ..."? Significantly, Karl!
  7. kochegar62
    kochegar62 31 May 2021 08: 36
    0
    This is HSP (Poland's cunning plan). Its essence is 1. to ensure UAV superiority over Ukraine in the upcoming battle for Lvov 2. Yes, and Lithuania is nearby, they can also squeeze out something "primordially Polish". Ukraine's air defense is perhaps stronger than the Karabakh defense, but, most likely, will be quite tough for the Polish Air Force (of course, taking into account the future purchases of the F-35 and Bayraktar). laughing
  8. Tagan
    Tagan 31 May 2021 08: 46
    0
    "The Polish government is striving to bring this level to 2,5% of GDP."
    What good fellows! Only at whose expense is the banquet?

    "The Polish authorities continue to make efforts to ensure that Germany and France treat Poland as an equal partner in the European Union."
    Here it is ... Do not give money - we will love you with Bayraktars. So, what?)))
    Breadwinner = freeloader? What is it like?
  9. LifeIsGood
    LifeIsGood 31 May 2021 09: 44
    0
    A regular paid article, the whole point of which is:
    This became possible also because Poland follows NATO commitments and allocates 2% of GDP to the army... The Polish government is striving to bring this bar to the level of 2,5% of GDP.
  10. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 31 May 2021 10: 17
    +1
    The Polish army as Ukrainian sovereignty, a reason for national pride for someone and ridicule for everyone else.
  11. isv000
    isv000 31 May 2021 15: 12
    +1
    Poland's purchase of the Bayraktar TB-2 Turkish attack UAV significantly increases ... the thickness of the Turkish wallet. A glass fool ... an object not for long ... laughing
  12. Synoid
    Synoid 31 May 2021 16: 28
    +1
    Strange, the owners, on the contrary, write off the analogs (Predator) - such as it is not effective against the Russian Federation.
    And the vassals buy and it would be fine with them, otherwise the parties.
  13. Synoid
    Synoid 31 May 2021 16: 33
    0
    Quote: Patigorsk2020
    Quote: Incvizitor
    The Armenians should have invested in air defense over these years, and not crawled out.


    What makes you think that they did not have air defense? Below are videos where you can see the destruction of various types of air defense. They had different air defenses and a lot was destroyed thanks to Turkish and Israeli weapons. It should also be emphasized that some of their air defenses were detected by maize. The answer is obvious. Not they, not their training, not their technique, did not cope with the war of the 21st century. And they were also ruined by this empty faith in their invincibility. Pride!





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    You are right about pride, and the rest is from the evil one.
    The state of the air defense and their characteristics at the NK were hopelessly outdated.
    Missile launches were carried out outside the range of the complexes, or from the blind zone.
    And the blows were delivered by different carriers and means of destruction.
  14. Synoid
    Synoid 31 May 2021 16: 40
    0
    Quote: donavi49
    But Yuri Borisov disagrees with you, and demands from Kronshtat and other enterprises to wrap snot on the fist, and from the departments to ensure the speediest passage of components across the border so that the UAVs flow in a stream and the plan for 2021 is fulfilled, or better, exceeded. At the same time, it threatens that if the plan is overwhelmed, then already in 22, they will receive a lawsuit.

    It's about Altius, Orion.


    There should also be progress (obviously state) in the long-suffering Corsair, where the Italians blocked the engines and other related systems and had to redo 30% of what was shown at the 2018 parade.


    Drones, like all weapons, have their own niche.
    For example, driving the natives on shahidmobiles and destroying their camps is the very thing.
    Well, or closer to the body, it is quite suitable in order to zero out the army of the Tribalties.
  15. dima314
    dima314 31 May 2021 18: 39
    0
    the topic, of course, is hype and actively participates in the discussion). If the topic is in demand, then it should be cut). I do not know who, maybe the special ringleaders of the discussion, but they constantly mention how the Azerbaijani army overwhelmed Armenian air defense systems and other military equipment with the help of Bayraktar. It's funny to read, considering that not Armenian, but Karabakh, and if I understand correctly, then the equipment was not in combat condition and there were no trained crews. When they showed the trophy of the ground forces, then all were dense Soviet samples that were in storage, which for a long time were not combat-ready and there were no trained fighters there. So semi-partisan formations and a complete mess in everything. But Azerbaijan and armed itself to the fullest, also with Israeli drones and air defense systems, and the personnel trained and invited the Turks to help. The army and the partisans who were not equal in all respects came together briefly, and the army also had Turkish drones that can carry 4 lightweight ATGMs ... What is the bazaar about?))). But the victory was recorded on Bayraktary ... A good publicity stunt, but not a decisive type of weapons, so for sure)
    1. Patigorsk2020
      Patigorsk2020 1 June 2021 11: 12
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      Quote: dima314
      that not Armenian but Karabakh, and if I understand correctly

      You don't get it right. There is no such thing as Karabakh. There are only Armenian ones.

      Quote: dima314
      then there the equipment was not in combat condition

      again, do not tell the truth. in the rollers there is how they were destroyed in working order.

      Quote: dima314
      the Turks invited to help

      Do you have any facts? Is training the squad a help?

      Quote: dima314
      But the victory was recorded on Bayraktary ...

      also not true. The significance of Bayraktar is not small but not victorious.
      1. dima314
        dima314 1 June 2021 16: 53
        0
        wow how dashing). I kind of served in air defense and I know what combat equipment is, and what is worth it and even turns on a little, sometimes. I can also imagine how to train calculations and how to organize the work of an air defense system. Everything that I saw in the commercials looked like the capture or destruction of the equipment in storage. I also did not see the positions of equipped and residential ones. And certainly not all Armenian armed forces participated in this event. except for semi-partisan militias, only the rudiments of the Karabakh army were present. That the Turkish advisers were with the Azerbaijanis, and maybe the operators, that is how the media broadcast. And that they weren't there? Is there evidence that they weren't there and the F-16s weren't based? Bayraktar is a miracle weapon for the war against the Papuans and partisans. In real life, they will immediately detect a control signal and fire missiles at the location of the guidance station or arrange an air raid. After that, the plastic non-attack aircraft themselves fall. In this war, it was possible to fly even by planes, or even UAVs, because there was no real opposition from Karabakh.
      2. dima314
        dima314 1 June 2021 17: 14
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        Bayraktar's role was not there, because the enemy did not appear. All the achievements that are attributed to the Turkish miracle are nothing more than advertising for the promotion of goods. Much more dangerous is a swarm of kamikaze drones, which are very difficult to detect and shoot down due to their massiveness. Nobody is developing a bayraktarny theme now, and the Americans are a clear example of this. Such non-states as Ukraine and Poland, which still do not have the opportunity to acquire and operate military aircraft, acquire these toys imitating the reconstruction of the armed forces of their non-states. So these airplanes are intended for the Papuans and partisans without air defense and who are unable to retaliate against the enemy.