"The new aircraft gives them reason to be proud": German press about the Ukrainian An-178-100R

When, at the end of 2020, the Ukrainian government ordered three An-178 versions of the 100R from Antonov, the project of a new aircraft got off the ground. Until that moment, the only customer of the An-178 was Peru, which also purchased three aircraft for its Air Force. Five months later, the fuselage of the first vehicle being built for the needs of the Ukrainian army is ready.

The new plane gives them a reason to be proud

- noted in the Flug Revue about the Ukrainian military transport An-178-100R, intended for the country's air force.

Assembly of the first building began at Antonov in March this year. It is planned that by the end of the year it will receive engines of the D-436-148FM type, developed by the Ukrainian enterprises Motor Sich and Ivchenko Progress.

The fulfillment of this contract is a matter of honor for our company. Therefore, our employees will do their best to fulfill their obligations with high quality and on time.

- said the general director of "Antonov" Sergei Bychkov.

The German press calls the modernized modification of the An-178-100R "a universal, economical and durable version" of the aircraft, which took off for the first time in 2015. It was developed specifically for the needs of the Ukrainian Air Force and is considered the successor to the outdated An-12 and An-26 turboprop models.

At the same time, the An-178-100R boasts durability, powerful characteristics and low operating costs.

- explained in the German edition.

The maximum payload of the new aircraft is 18 tons, the flight range is 4200 km, and the cruising speed is 825 km / h. The spacious cargo compartment has a volume of 167 cubic meters, allowing to accommodate more than 90 soldiers or 86 paratroopers in equipment (or up to 48 stretchers for the wounded). It also provides for the air discharge of cargo and equipment weighing up to 7,5 tons.

Comments

[Alsur]

The German press writes that this plane is a reason for the pride of Ukrainians. Where is the praise of the German press here?

[Shurik70]

Five months on the fuselage ...
Something long.
They're not building a naval battleship

[Reviews]

Quote: Shurik70

Five months on the fuselage ...
Something long.

Normal for an experimental board. You never know what they recounted / altered there.

[Shurik70]

An airplane is not only a fuselage
It's too early for Ukrainians to boast
By the way, Peru suspended the order for 3 aircraft back in 2020 (in September, it seems) - https://ria.ru/20200925/an-178-1577778880.html

[Reviews]

Quote: Shurik70

An airplane is not only a fuselage

I know, actually. Even a glider is not an airplane. I just wrote that 5 months from the conclusion of the contract to the first fuselage of the new modification is not so much. A month of hype, a month of confusion, a month of calculations, a couple of months of unhurried riveting by the same teams of reduced personnel of different airframe units ...

[Vladimir Mashkov]

How subtly the Germans scoff at the velikoukras!

[Shurik70]

Quote: Avis

5 months from the conclusion of the contract to the first fuselage of the new modification is not so much

In November 2020, they ALREADY manufactured 2 aircraft
So this is far from the first plane.
https://www.aex.ru/news/2020/11/12/219062/

[Looking for]

You saw them.???

[Puppeteer 111]

On Thursday, the Russian media, citing "journalist" Ricardo Zedano, reported on the alleged suspension of the execution of the contract for the purchase and sale of the An-178 aircraft by the Peruvian Ministry of Internal Affairs.
...
It should be noted that the entry was published by Russian digital media. Earlier, the Russian media presented Ricardo Zedano as a TeleSUR journalist, whose office is located in Venezuela, and his opinion as an analytical note of a popular publication. But Ricardo Zedano does not work for TeleSUR and in the "I am a reporter" section he published only two articles in which he expresses his subjective opinion as a blogger. And the last article was generally published as a smart opinion on the little-visited site of the Federation of Peruvian Periodicals.
...
In fact, Ricardo Zedano works in the media holding MIA "Russia Today" and lives in Moscow, as he reports on his personal pages in Blogger, Vkontakte, Twitter and Facebook. His publications are regularly presented as the opinion of the Latin American press, and in fact are purely Russian propaganda.

[Alexander Trifonov]

Well, who cares? The main thing is that Peru refused to supply))).

[Puppeteer 111]

The main thing is that Peru did not refuse))

[VO3A]

All these are fairy tales for children !!! Died, so dead !! This article is a provocation, no more!
Watch, read and enjoy, without schadenfreude, the expert opinion on the patient's death:

https://hvylya.net/analytics/economics/aviastroenie-ukrainy-dajte-deneg-mozhet-byt-postroim-samolet.html

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: VO3A

All these are fairy tales for children !!! Died, so died

Well, why are you like this: like this not democratically, with links - they believe what they want ... well, they definitely want women If we see a serial flying one, I will be sincerely surprised, especially if they dare to voice its cost

[Shkworen]

the link does not open :(

[Looking for]

lie. agitation and propaganda in Ukraine has reached unprecedented proportions. Everywhere is window dressing. and nationalist chatter.

[Eug]

On the first An-178 there were problems with centering - like 1300 kg. ballast was loaded just behind the cockpit. So they probably recounted and reworked. Another thing is interesting - how did you get rid of the Russian components in a fairly short time? There were a lot of them ... About the D-436 engine, Boguslaev said that it (the engine) is also more than 70% Russian ... The intentions are certainly serious - the Kiev aircraft plant bought the equipment for the production of the titanium center section of the An-1x8 aircraft from Kharkov.

[Reviews]

Quote: Eug

How did you get rid of the Russian components in a fairly short time? There were a lot of them ...

In a glider? From duralumin and a handful of composites? :) Well, we got rid of it somehow, it's not difficult.

[AC130 Gunship]

D-436 is a Ukrainian engine. Due to its absence, the production of the Be200 was stopped for several years in due time. And Angara stopped operating An148 due to the fact that it was impossible to carry out planned maintenance.

[Eug]

There was an interview with Boguslaev about the fact that in Russia they put SaMs on the Jets, in which he said that in fact, according to the materials and components of the D-436, more than 70% Russian. And it is produced in Ukraine in Zaporozhye, no one disputes this. The certificate of origin, of course, is also Ukrainian.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Shurik70

Five months on the fuselage ... Something long.

Quote: Avis

Normal for an experimental board. You never know what they recounted / altered there.

Probably looking for a tail to fit this body. Judging by the result, something was picked up.

[AC130 Gunship]

It's good that they picked it up. But the Ilyushenians were not able to switch to the fuselage under the standard size of the container for the Il112, because stuck there a cargo ramp of the 70s of development from IL76

[Smirnov Sergey]

What did they count? Do they make other fuselages for Peru? They just have one slipway for all and there are few workers left.

[venik]

Quote: Shurik70

Five months on the fuselage ...
Something long.
They're not building a naval battleship

=======
Lord! But after all it was the same time, when the plant "Antonov" in Kiev, riveted transport workers, like "hot cakes", a few dozen a year! We didn't have time to fly around!

[credo]

Quote: ALSur

The German press writes that this plane is a reason for the pride of Ukrainians. Where is the praise of the German press here?

Well, where? In the text of the article itself.
Imagine that now in the nationalist-oriented Ukrainian press it starts - "Germany has praised us, but Russia has not, so we are moving in the right direction."
And everything is in the same spirit.

The Fritzes are determined to prevent the unification of Ukraine with Russia and will do everything for this purpose, including praising the idians for ditching their high-tech industry inherited from the USSR.

[sevryuk]

Not Ukraine with Russia, the BUSSR and the BRSFSR.

[Real Pilot]

Eh, but the moment will come when this plant will return to us ...
Inevitably.
Let it be better alive and with projects than sold out for housing complexes and shopping centers.

Even a few aircraft for the Armed Forces of Ukraine will not make the difference, and the finally ditched plant is a loss for Russia as well. And the enemies will be happy!

Similarly, with the "Motor-Sich", and with the "Ivchenko-Progress", and with the Kharkov tank them. Morozov ...
In general, Antonov will also build aircraft for the common Great Country!
I would like to believe in it ...

[orionvitt]

Quote: RealPilot

Eh, but the moment will come when this plant will return to us ...

If something comes back with Ukraine, then only ruins.

[AC130 Gunship]

Are you seriously? I personally know many Ukrainians living both in the east and in the west of the country. Well, in Kiev, of course. Age - from ~ 40-45 to ~ 55. Everyone is very patriotic. We will not say anything about youth at all

[Looking for]

it is they "patriotic" while toilets go to wash around the cordon. and eat up the remains of European trenches.

[Alien From]

At this rate, the zrada will grow old and die ...

[credo]

Quote: Alien From

At this rate, the zrada will grow old and die ...

This is the case when the main process is not the result.

[Jacket in stock]

The maximum payload of the new aircraft is 18 tons, the flight range is 4200 km, and the cruising speed is 825 km / h. The spacious cargo compartment has a volume of 167 cubic meters, allowing to accommodate more than 90 soldiers or 86 paratroopers in equipment (or up to 48 stretchers for the wounded). It also provides for the air discharge of cargo and equipment weighing up to 7,5 tons.

So it seems like a good plane.
Our Air Force would also be useful. In fact, it was made with Russian money at one time, when our Defense Ministry preferred to develop exactly "Antonov", putting Il and Tu on starvation rations.
Now we have no planes either, and they have no one to sell theirs to.
I wonder where they got the money for 3 ordered new aircraft?

[avg]

Quote: Jacket in stock

I wonder where they got the money for 3 ordered new aircraft?

There is no money, the plane is made on credit money, there is a threat of bankruptcy. But for PR for Ze, it will be rolled back and forth more than once.

[knn54]

I agree with my colleague (jacket in stock) 100%.
For 2 ... 3 years before the Maidan, due to the ambitions of the parties (mainly the Il or Tu lobbyists, I don't remember), Ukraine and the Russian Federation fled.
And there was also a joint project for a passenger plane.

[House 25 Sq. 380]

Lobbyists silt and that ??? Antonov lobbyists all the way from 1992 to 2014 drove over the ears of the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Industry and the government apparatus

[Konnick]

Lobbyists silt and that ??? Antonov lobbyists all the way from 1992 to 2014 drove over the ears of the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Industry and the government apparatus

I photographed this poster at CIAM. "This is a good example of integration with Ukrainian colleagues" Putin V.V.

[House 25 Sq. 380]

Exactly .... And there is still enough audacity to complain about the "silt" and "tu" lobbyists! Russian manufacturers !!!

[The leader of the Redskins]

If you believe the Ukrainian media (this news has been covered for three days already), then it seems that some bank gives money under state guarantees. Well, the profit from "Antonov" this year is also present. I don’t remember the numbers.

[K150]

Believe the Ukrainian media ?! Wrong with the church?

[Avior]

What kind of media do you believe?
I just would like to understand where they are like ...

[Timon2155]

Wait and see. It’s a bit early for optimism: they began to do a lot, completed a single piece of equipment. And always the beginning is the same: bravura speeches, press, pump and so on, at the exit - zilch.

[SERGE ANT]

Until that moment, the only customer for the An-178 was Peru, which also purchased three aircraft for its Air Force.

A third of which consisted of parts made in Russia. The representatives of the South American country refused the services of the Ukrainians, revealing the deception, and are now looking closely at the Russian Il-112. This aircraft is an analogue of the An-178, but its acquisition is not associated with such serious problems.It is also interesting whether the design error was eliminated or not, due to the incorrect alignment of the liner, the An-178 can perform any long flights only with ballast. weighing 1,32 tons in the form of 15 steel plates, laid behind the cockpit. It was with such a load that the An-178 traveled to the air shows in Le Bourget and Dubai. Immediately after landing, the ballast was quickly unloaded and hid. Is there any reason for pride now, I would like to know ..

[Andylw]

Quote: SERGE ant

Representatives of the South American country refused the services of Ukrainians, revealing the deception, and now they are looking closely at the Russian Il-112

it's a lie
no one broke the contract with Peru and the plane is under construction

[SERGE ANT]

MOSCOW, November 12 - RIA Novosti. Ukraine wanted to sell an An-65 stealth plane to Peru for $ 178 million, according to the website of the Federation of Journalists of Peru. The resource notes that Russia can offer an alternative.
Earlier, a source in the field of military-technical cooperation told RIA Novosti that Peru suspended the contract signed in 2019 for the purchase of Ukrainian An-178 aircraft to replace the outdated An-32 for the national police, since the customer estimates its implementation as unlikely. According to the source, the Ukrainian side deliberately misinformed the Peruvians a year ago, promising that there would be no problems with Russian elements, in fact, the plane is only 40% ready, since there are no Russian components for it, the Ukrainians could not find a replacement for them.

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https://ria.ru/20201112/aviatsiya-1584210567.html

Centering issues are also a lie, right? Then refute it, if you please.

[Andylw]

Well, how long can you drive this nonsense?
the next day after this fake, the Peruvians denied the break of the contract after the demonstration of the assembly of the aircraft
https://spetstechnoexport.com/en/news/168?fbclid=IwAR0Pelpxdi7rFiIpzywu8nfWTrGqq7DHUeNT0L_b5YHnh2s5h8BOs2EWVXk
and here is more about fake
https://naukatehnika.com/sudba-kontrakta-na-postavku-an-178-dlya-peru.html
"The Peruvian authorities, for their part, have assured that the contract for the supply of An-178 is valid and there is no reason to cancel it."

[sevryuk]

"The Peruvian authorities, from their side, assured that the contract for the supply of AN-178 is valid and there is no reason to cancel it" - where is the proof of the statements of the Peruvian side. DB ...

[Andylw]

so find a proof from the Peruvians about breaking the contract. DB!
and the plane is under construction for Peru

[hwostatij]

so find a proof from the Peruvians about breaking the contract. DB!
and the plane is under construction for Peru

Excuse me:

I would like to say more, because there has been a lot of writing about this in the media. About 1.5 years ago, the leaders of Ukroboronprom signed a contract with Peru for one An-178 aircraft and made a lot of PR about this. They signed a contract with Peru for $ 65 million, they classified it so that no one knew what was written there. But then an acquaintance told me that there is 26% (and this is almost 16 million dollars) of the rollback, so, naturally, our plane won the competition of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Peru. But then, when they figured out in Peru that the plane was not mass-produced, it was unclear how to certify it, and so on. According to the information that I saw in the media today, they suspended this contract there, and the head who signed it was removed from office. Since Antonov did not receive a single penny of money under this contract, they stopped its production.

https://hvylya.net/interview/226947-pochemu-vtoraya-mriya-an-225-nikogda-ne-vzletit-anatoliy-vovnyanko-o-sostoyanii-aviastroeniya-ukrainy

[Andylw]

ahah ...

According to the information that I saw in the media today

proof of the level "my grandmother told me yesterday at the entrance" ...))
Where is the official statement of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Peru on the termination of the contract for the An-178?
the official links of spetstechnoexport, which is the contractor, I have given above
Peruvians confirm that the contract is valid
An aircraft is under construction for Peru, news from this year on the construction of this aircraft is easily googled

[hwostatij]

Where is the official statement of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Peru on the termination of the contract for the An-178?

Do you want them to publicly repent of corruption chtoli? To be honest, I hardly imagine such an opportunity.

[Andylw]

You want them to publicly repent of corruption chtoli

why not?
the minister who signed the contract with the Ukrainians was removed with a scandal
just because of corruption
so if the contract were to be terminated, everyone in Peru would trample on this topic ..
would not have missed an opportunity to kick the former minister

[Avior]

... But then an acquaintance told me that there is a 26% (and this is almost $ 16 million) rollback

This is how the OBS is called now :))))

[hwostatij]

Well, I admit it, the source is unverifiable. On the other hand, Comrade Vovnyanko is quite famous in narrow circles - maybe he didn't lie at all. In any case, it is unlikely that such things can be confirmed or refuted by a reliable link.

[Avior]

I strongly doubt that the subtleties about the size of the rollback, if any, are communicated to anyone by the interested parties. Moreover, such a rollback.
Not and d and about you they are.
But to be honest, it looks a lot like gossip.

[hwostatij]

Well, the order of the rollback can be quite figured out. For example, we recently changed 2 transformers at the substation. Each costs an average of 90 million rubles at the plant. The securities were transferred to the balance sheet for 140. It is not difficult to calculate the size of the rollback in the pocket of the management)))

[Avior]

The pricing of an aircraft contract is very different from the purchase of commercially available transformers.
In addition, the quote was not about figured out, but supposedly someone told him that it was 16 million.

[House 25 Sq. 380]

What is the dispute about? You can show a photo from the workshop built for the Peru side - and that's it ...
Let me remind you that on the Gatt diagram we are at "06/01/2021"

[farm2009]

Where is the Il-112 analogue of the An-178? In fantasies? These are generally planes of different classes. And it's better to keep quiet about the Il-112, with a high degree of probability, it will never be able to fulfill the laid down performance characteristics. It is a pity that we seem to have lost honest and responsible managers who could come out and say that the project is a failure and an urgent need to start a new project, and not continue to waste time and money.

[Constanty]

Where is the Il-112 analogue of the An-178?

Both are considered replacements for the An-12 and An-26.

[farm2009]

Yeah =) Il 112 with a carrying capacity of 5 tons was supposed to replace the An 12 with a carrying capacity of 20 tons. Apparently, the replacement will be in a ratio of 4 to 1.

[Constanty]

This is a question for those who decided so. With such a disproportion, even the 3-ton overload of the Il-112 airframe practically does not change.

[URAL72]

Kostya, what are you talking about? To replace the An-12, another Il, -214 is being developed.

[Slavors Gart]

Not 214, but IL-276

[parusnik]

One thing is interesting, is it completely Ukrainian, from the bolt onwards?

[The leader of the Redskins]

If you believe the Ukrainian media, then there are no Russian accessories. And nobody canceled cooperation with other firms / countries.

[K150]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

If you believe the Ukrainian media, then there are no Russian accessories. And nobody canceled cooperation with other firms / countries.

Lord, will you ever stop writing this nonsense? You believe in the Ukrainian media, you do not believe in torchlight processions, you believe in the Ukrainian army. You're a shitty provocateur.

[The leader of the Redskins]

You confused something - it was not with me that they grazed the pigs to poke them ...

[Reviews]

An-178-100R

Actually, on the plane there is an inscription "Antonov-178-100P", not "Antonov-178-100R".

[morpogr]

Support in all its glory, and then the Ukrainians will cite this article with delight and pretense as a recognition of the independent aircraft industry. And the plane will remain without wings and engines as a monument to ukraine's ambitions.

[rocket757]

Who cares what they have and how ... let them figure it out themselves.
We have our own worries above the roof and in aviation too.

[mark1]

You can, of course, be skeptical, giggle, but ... where is our Il-276, at least in the form of a fuselage? How many is there, -15-20 years of continuous development? The An-70 is the same - as far as I know, 50% of the intellectual property should be Russian, I don't remember, but it seems like a fuselage (which might be perfect for a 276), a tail unit and something else that should have been produced in the Russian Federation, like ours so easily could refuse? An-140, production was localized, well, they would call the LTS-140, drill a couple of extra holes, rearrange something with something and for how many years they would have been producing it as their own product and torturing the Il-112 (if it was needed)

[House 25 Sq. 380]

And where to get the engines for the "Russian" An-70?

[Constanty]

And what does the An-178 look like in comparison with the Il-112? - I'm not even talking about avionics or the need to replace imported elements, as well as about the carrying capacity and weight of the airframe.

However, Antonov appears to be a better engineered aircraft. Another thing is that due to the fall of Ukraine, only theoretically

[mark1]

Quote: Constanty

However, Antonov appears to be a better engineered aircraft.

It's just that Antonov was very pragmatic about the design. Soviet An-74 - basic, on its basis An148, An-158, An-178.

[Constanty]

This shows once again how much has been achieved during the Soviet era and that much is still being learned from this zodiac !.

[Looking for]

"Cheburashka" was and remains the best of all of the above.

[K150]

Well, yes, the ballast of 1 ton, which the 178th must carry in the fuselage so that it does not fall apart, is apparently better designed ...

[markant1970]

I read that the Antonovites, especially for the Peruvians, conducted an online video demonstration of the fuselage after the news from RIA Novosti
about the alleged impossibility of fulfilling the contract. The contract is in force, the fuselage rolled out in April

[Ros 56]

With Bandera in power, there will be no plane. There are no miracles.

[Shiden]

Quote: Ros 56

With Bandera in power, there will be no plane. There are no miracles.

You know, I also did not believe that under the current government in Ukraine "Alder" "Neptune" "Bogdana" would appear, although many here also commented that this was all fantasy.

[Looking for]

and tell. khokhlofil. that the above products exist in the number of 35.7 products? or are they already divisions. batteries. regiments?

[House 25 Sq. 380]

And rightly so: this is fantasy ..

[provergatel]

And "Vilha" and "Whisper" are there somewhere, besides fantasies ukrosmi, besides the prototype of nedosau (by the way, how much is there directly ukorinsky?) Is there anything else?

Have you already learned how to make artillery barrels on Ukorin?

[Scorpion85]

In the meantime, An-148 continues to "crush concrete" at the Irkutsk airport.

In Russia, it was recognized that it was impossible to operate the An-148 without Ukraine. Only one of the five An-148 aircraft of the Angara airline can be operated, while the other four “crush the concrete” at the Irkutsk airport due to the lack of AI-450-MS conditioned auxiliary power units (APU) produced by the Ukrainian company Motor-Sich , CEO of the company Sergey Salmatov told the portal Propeller.News.

The head explained the impossibility of full-fledged operation of the aircraft by the "collapse of the former Soviet aviation industry", in particular, by the modern relations between Russia and Ukraine. “After all, in fact, the An-148 is a joint product of the two countries,” Salmatov admitted. “All talks about the serial production of An-148 for commercial airlines have gradually faded away. As a result, in 2018, the Voronezh aircraft plant produced the last aircraft for the Russian Ministry of Defense. Since then, the production of the An-148 in Russia has been mothballed, ”the CEO admitted.

Salmatov recalled that the developer of the aircraft and its first manufacturer was the Ukrainian state enterprise (SE) Antonov, on the basis of the design documentation of which the Voronezh Joint-Stock Aircraft Manufacturing Company (VASO) began to produce the An-148.

According to him, currently Angara has ten D-436-148 propulsion engines for AN-148, five of which were suspended from operation due to technical inconsistencies by Motor Sich's decision. Of the 12 AI-450-MS APUs available to the airline, ten were suspended due to technical inconsistencies. “As a result, only a couple of serviceable AI-450MS engines are in operation, which are installed on the RA-61711 and RA-61714 machines. As you can see, now we can actually operate only one An-148 out of five, ”Salmatov said.

The head added that the Russian company Borisfen, associated with Motor Sich, has not yet completed the repair of the engines sent to him, and modular repair of engines for the An-148 is ineffective under the conditions of the latter.

[House 25 Sq. 380]

Yes, Antonovskoe gamno has to be disposed of for a long time ...

[Vasyan1971]

The new plane gives them a reason to be proud

Well, if there is no reason, let them at least be comforted by the reason ...

[ximkim]

The Ukrainian Air Force will not have three planes, because: they want the plane for evil to everyone, the payload tonnage is not indicated, and it will not fly to Washington.
Horror with wings

[Castro Ruiz]

This is just the fuselage and not the plane.

[Ehmedli]

This plane was once thrown to us (Azerbaijan) by the Ukrainians.
We trust them, transfer money, and they take it and throw it ..

[Ros 56]

You are not the first, you are not the last, maybe the example of China will comfort you?

[Evil 55]

"An-178 version 100R" .. "100R" means "100 percent disassembled"?

[Smirnov Sergey]

An airplane, maybe. would not be bad, only 3 or even 6 aircraft will not save the aircraft industry in Ukraine. They profiled the Indian market, quarreled with China and Russia. Whom to sell to? in Europe their products are not needed, in Asia and Africa there is no money for them.

[1536]

German propaganda is disgusting!

[Dmitry Rodrigis]

In general, Peru abandoned these aircraft and with the contract for the Armed Forces, not everything is going smoothly - the contract is under threat of disruption and Antonov risks losing large areas in the center of Kiev,

[fuffi]

Quote: Dmitry Rodrigis

In general, Peru abandoned these aircraft and with the contract for the Armed Forces, not everything is going smoothly - the contract is under threat of disruption and Antonov risks losing large areas in the center of Kiev,

just the wheel of ganny did not turn a full turn)))) but this is inevitable, so that the adherents of democracy do not write))))

[xomaNN]

I am more interested: in the Russian Federation, about the same class of IL-112/114 "is brought to mind."

Who will fly faster in the series: Ukrainian. An-178-100R or Russian. Il-112/114?

[Zufei]

Quote: xomaNN

I am more interested: in the Russian Federation, about the same class of IL-112/114 "is brought to mind."

Who will fly faster in the series: Ukrainian. An-178-100R or Russian. Il-112/114?

KamAZ and Gazelle are also of the same class?

[xomaNN]

I mean the difficulty of resuming the technological process of assembling / completing the aircraft as such after the collapse of the aviation industries in each of the countries. ... And not the identity of the TTX.

[8K63]

Dunoon ... The renewed tanks cannot be riveted, the contracts have failed .. The updated mortar explodes the ammunition in its own barrel, while "covering" its own staff, the improved machine gun refuses to fire during the demonstration ..
And then right off the bat produced? But this is not a tank, let alone a mortar with a machine gun ... From the shown piece of the fuselage to the creation of a full-fledged aircraft, well, a very long road. Given the current quality of engineering and design personnel, the collapse of production capacities, extremely low funding and constant "cutting" of allocated funds, the road to creating a full-fledged "summer" will be eternal ... There are a lot of examples ..

[House 25 Sq. 380]

The tests of the first side of the An-178 were not carried out in full ... If you try to solve the problem of alignment of the aircraft, the new modernized side must complete the test program from scratch ...
Before the breakup of relations, Antonov's tests took place in Russia; there are simply no conditions, equipment and competencies in Ukraine ... And then we often turned a blind eye to many things, used abbreviated programs and so on ("brothers" zhezh, damn it) ...
Building serial aircraft without testing is either PR zeliboba (he is stupid, he thinks that you can deceive many people for a long time, they will not fly anyway), or an ideological "super task": to release the first (and last) serial aircraft in seven years since Maidan. ..
Both have nothing to do with aviation and aircraft construction ...