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The first cargo ship docked to the base module of the new Chinese orbital station

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China has dispatched the first cargo ship to the new orbital station, which has successfully docked to the base module today. According to the Xinhua news agency with reference to the office of the Chinese manned space program, the spacecraft delivered almost 6 tons of various cargoes into orbit.


The Changzheng 7 launch vehicle was launched from the Wenchang Cosmodrome on Hainan Island on Saturday with the task of placing into orbit the Tianzhou 2 cargo ship carrying cargo for future Chinese astronauts who will work on the Chinese space station. one Tianhe module launched into space in April this year.


The first truck docked at the station carries 1,95 tons of fuel and 4,69 tons of other cargo needed to keep three people at the station for three months. The arrival of Chinese astronauts at the station is scheduled for June this year.

In total, within the framework of the creation of a three-module orbital station, China plans to make 2021 space launches in the period 2022-11. Two of them have already been completed: the base module of the station was launched into space first, and a cargo ship loaded with cargo was sent the second yesterday.

Currently, the base module of the Chinese orbital station is in orbit with parameters 360 by 385 kilometers and an inclination of 41,5 degrees. It works in automatic mode, all systems are functioning normally. It is noted that the module has already tested the performance of a 10-meter robotic arm, which will play a major role in the assembly of the station and the docking of ships.
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  1. tTshka
    tTshka 30 May 2021 12: 21
    +32
    Well done, what else can I say ...
    1. RealPilot
      RealPilot 30 May 2021 13: 19
      0
      This is a new step in China's space program. And they can be commended for that.
      But, I would like to note that it is impossible to jump over the stages of development. And they catch up with the pioneers, going the beaten path.

      The USSR achieved results much earlier, with simpler (and more difficult to use) technologies. Let us recall Salyut (Salyut-1 - 1971), Mir, ISS and the planned new Russian station.

      The Americans, too, have been in space for a long time, while for them orbital stations began with the ISS joint with us. That is, Russia gave them the technology for a long-term stay of man in space in orbit, because this part of manned space exploration in the United States was not developed. But now they can do everything ...

      Modern technologies have stepped forward compared to the 70s, now it is easier for China. Automation, computing and manufacturing capabilities have changed dramatically.

      As far as Russia is concerned, do we need a rush with a strain of strength? In my opinion, despite some very serious problems in our space industry (yes, they are), on the whole, our country is acting rationally.
      We have been in space for a long time, an array of scientific knowledge has already been accumulated, and much can be done on its basis.
      The ISS is now providing a permanent presence in space, and a new station is being prepared.

      Satellites for various purposes are a separate issue, here it would be necessary to forcefully "push"!
      And manned space should develop evolutionarily, especially since there is a solid Russian groundwork.
      1. SERGE ANT
        SERGE ANT 30 May 2021 13: 26
        +17
        The road will be mastered by the walking one. Well done, what else can you say.
      2. Avior
        Avior 30 May 2021 13: 39
        +17
        ... Let's remember .... the planned new Russian station.

        It's not easy to remember what you haven't started doing yet.
        The Americans, too, have been in space for a long time, while for them orbital stations began with the ISS joint with us.

        The Americans actually took out their Skylab station back in 1973.
        1. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo 30 May 2021 13: 54
          .
          Quote: Avior
          The Americans actually took out their Skylab station back in 1973.

          The same phantom of the "Apollo" program as the "landing" on the moon.
          Now it's even ridiculous to seriously discuss its existence.
          1. Avior
            Avior 30 May 2021 14: 44
            +7
            And what is so funny to you?
          2. spacekitty
            spacekitty 30 May 2021 14: 47
            +16
            What is really funny is to seriously discuss stupid conspiracy theories, because this says a lot about the level of intellectual development of the opponent. I'll tell you a secret that there is another conspiracy theory - that Gagarin did not actually fly into space. This theory is probably not to your liking, is it? The level of evidence for this, if I may say so, "theory" is based on approximately the same argumentation as the denial of the reality of the Apollo program. For example, that there is not a single convincing video recording of the flight, there are no photographs of the Earth from space, and the very death of Gagarin for conspiracy theorists is a weighty argument in favor of falsifying the flight. Allegedly, Yuri was eliminated to hide the truth. However, for patriots, the lunar conspiracy theory is a kind of attempt at mental revanchism in view of the gradual departure of Russia to a secondary role in modern cosmonautics, in comparison with the space achievements of the Soviet Union. In this, in principle, there is nothing shameful, everyone achieves peace of mind with their own methods. lol
            1. Glory1974
              Glory1974 31 May 2021 09: 40
              +1
              For example, there is not a single convincing video recording of the flight, there are no photographs of the Earth from space, and the very death of Gagarin for conspiracy theorists is a weighty argument in favor of falsifying the flight. Allegedly, Yuri was eliminated to hide the truth. However, for patriots, the lunar conspiracy theory is a kind of attempt at mental revanchism

              This is argumentation for the tabloids. Serious people consider technical arguments.
          3. Israel
            Israel 30 May 2021 14: 56
            +6
            And why landing on the moon in quotes, while this is the most epic achievement of mankind in space.
            1. Narak-zempo
              Narak-zempo 2 June 2021 09: 15
              0
              Quote: Israel
              And why landing on the moon in quotes, while this is the most epic achievement of mankind in space.

              You seem to be born yesterday, by God.
              How can an adult believe in a lunar scam if the mattresses did not have the appropriate technology, and all the records bear obvious traces of forgery?
              But what can I say, if for 50 years since then they have not been able to fly again.
          4. Grif
            Grif 30 May 2021 21: 05
            +4
            Skylab could not even orientate in orbit. So it stuck out like a float.
            1. Avior
              Avior 30 May 2021 21: 59
              -1
              there is no such thing as breakdowns. repaired.
          5. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 31 May 2021 04: 22
            0
            Quote: Narak-zempo
            The same phantom of the "Apollo" program as the "landing" on the moon.
            Now it's even ridiculous to seriously discuss its existence.
            There were no flights to the moon in the form that the Americans are pushing to us, but the "Skylab" was, however, again, not in the form that the Americans are pushing us. And they launched it strictly to substantiate the ability of Saturn to deliver the Apollo to the Moon, although what can prove the abandonment of an empty can, albeit a high-tech one, into orbit? But people hawala.
        2. slipped
          slipped 30 May 2021 14: 10
          +2
          Quote: Avior
          It's not easy to remember what you haven't started doing yet.


          So I will remind you. The first module of the new ROSS station has already been planned for a scientific and energy module, the new design of which has been tested for four years on various models.



          And the aircraft itself is on the slipway of the plant:



          The launch is scheduled for 2025.
          1. Avior
            Avior 30 May 2021 14: 43
            +13
            And what do you need to remember about the station, the first module of which is only planned in four years, if it does not move to the right for many years, there are precedents ...
            1. slipped
              slipped 30 May 2021 15: 00
              -4
              Quote: Avior
              And what do you need to remember about the station, the first module of which is only planned in four years, if it does not move to the right for many years, there are precedents ...


              The fact that work is now underway on this station and the module itself is at a high stage of production. In the meantime, we have the current ISS RS, which we will begin to expand by 15 cubic meters on July 70, and by another 24 on November 19.

              1. Blackmokona
                Blackmokona 30 May 2021 15: 23
                +19
                Only now the module in the pictures should have been part of the ISS a long time ago, but it was carried so much that it will now be in another station
                1. slipped
                  slipped 30 May 2021 15: 29
                  -8
                  Quote: BlackMokona
                  Only now the module in the pictures should have been part of the ISS a long time ago, but it was carried so much that it will now be in another station


                  The launches to the ISS are carried out sequentially. The NEM was transferred because the MLM module was transferred, which was supposed to be launched before it. Now both MLM-U Nauka and UM Prichal are practically ready for launch and will operate on the ISS for at least five years.

                  And NEM will become the main station of ROSS.
                  1. Cosm22
                    Cosm22 30 May 2021 16: 09
                    +10
                    The "U" index in relation to MLM is simply touching. This prefix means "improved". And scientists and uncles with a clever look can tell tales for a long time about how many changes were made to the original project. But the chest just opens.
                    The fact is that the long-suffering module has been dangling on Earth for a quarter of a century, and Roskosmos paid for both its creation and testing a long time ago. But since there was no end in sight for the repair work at the facility, and new money was still needed, further work had to be carried out under the heading "modernization". That's when the letter "U" appeared in the name of the module. At the same time, no fundamental changes were made. Not to consider the heavily curtailed MLM functionality as such? There were some small changes (how can we do without them after the disastrous epic with tanks?). Which are now being passed off as something outstanding.
                    1. slipped
                      slipped 30 May 2021 16: 24
                      -3
                      Quote: Cosm22
                      That's when the letter "U" appeared in the name of the module.


                      Lied like drinking water? laughing The letter W appeared in connection with the installation of an external platform.
                      1. Cosm22
                        Cosm22 30 May 2021 16: 52
                        +5
                        Milking the dull again. The letter "U" appeared only due to financial circumstances. For the RK has long ago chosen the entire monetary fund intended for work with "Science". Therefore, it took a fig leaf called "modernization". What is meant by this term - the installation of a platform or an extra washer with a nut on any node - is not important.
                        Everything came down only to the money already spent by the RK. And in the impossibility, because of this unfortunate fact, to carry out any subsequent work with the module.
                      2. slipped
                        slipped 30 May 2021 16: 53
                        -3
                        Quote: Cosm22
                        Milking the dull ones once more.


                        Not. It was simply modernized. For new tasks.
                2. Blackmokona
                  Blackmokona 30 May 2021 17: 28
                  +3
                  Yes, yes, but NEM was just ready. wassat
                  1. slipped
                    slipped 30 May 2021 19: 20
                    0
                    Not. Tested at TsNIIMash.
                    1. Blackmokona
                      Blackmokona 30 May 2021 20: 08
                      +3
                      According to the terms of the contract, the NEM-1 module should be built by the end of November 2015. On December 5, 2012, the head of the Roskosmos manned programs department, Alexei Krasnov, told the media that the state corporation expects that NEM-1 will be launched into orbit at the end of 2016 [4].
                    2. slipped
                      slipped 30 May 2021 20: 15
                      0
                      Quote: BlackMokona
                      According to the terms of the contract,


                      Then there was a postponement to 2019, and then to 2024. Sanctions, problems at RSC Energia. Lack of decision to launch MLM. The module cases were made only in 2017. After that, the annual tests began. As of today, the design model has been assembled, design documentation has been released and the product is being assembled. During the production process, the technical documentation in terms of intended use will be redone - there is not so much that needs to be changed for ROSS.
            2. Grits
              Grits 31 May 2021 03: 58
              -1
              Quote: BlackMokona
              Only now the module in the pictures should have been part of the ISS a long time ago, but it was carried so much that it will now be in another station

              Something I even doubt that this module will be at our station. As well as the station itself. After all, even under this article, comments appeared - they say, why do we need our own station? We have already passed the stage, we have studied everything, we know everything and can do everything. Thus, our impotence for creating our own space stations is covered up, and thus the thesis about its uselessness is put into the heads of Russians (using the Overton Window method).
              1. slipped
                slipped 31 May 2021 12: 56
                -2
                Quote: Gritsa
                Thus, our impotence to create our own space stations is covered up.


                Raise your head to the sky - you will see our station, which we have created and continue to develop. laughing
          2. Avior
            Avior 30 May 2021 15: 39
            +7
            I am always confused by news from the future, which is presented as news of what has already happened.
            Especially when it comes to space
            1. slipped
              slipped 30 May 2021 16: 00
              0
              Quote: Avior
              I am always confused by news from the future, which is presented as news of what has already happened.
              Especially when it comes to space


              And the old song. "We were born to make a fairy tale come true" - have you not heard? laughing So we do it.

              Just the day before yesterday we launched another Soyu-2.1b with a cluster of 36 OneWeb satellites and started preparations for the next one.



              And the new module of the ISS station passed all tests and the high state commission accepted the MLM-U "Nauka" module for pre-launch operations.

              This is today's news. laughing About space.
              1. Avior
                Avior 30 May 2021 16: 04
                +14
                I heard the song.
                Only it was about a socialist country, not a capitalist country, as it is now.
                1. slipped
                  slipped 30 May 2021 16: 06
                  -6
                  Quote: Avior
                  I heard the song.
                  Only it was about a socialist country, not a capitalist country, as it is now.


                  What to do - everything in this life is changing. tongue

                  And do you hate from lack of money? Couldn't fit into the "market"? Just a question without a second thought.
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 30 May 2021 16: 26
                    +10
                    Directly without the back?
                    And where did you see the hatred?
                    This is a simple statement of fact - you brought the song from another country that has nothing to do with the current one.
                    Yes, and you do not know the text clearly, otherwise you would not have brought
                    Throwing up his obedient apparatus

                    Or creating an unprecedented flight,

                    We recognize how the air fleet is getting stronger,

                    Our first proletarian fleet in the world!

                  2. slipped
                    slipped 30 May 2021 16: 30
                    +2
                    Quote: Avior
                    Directly without the back?


                    Absolutely. I'm just curious. But if you don’t want to talk, don’t.

                    Quote: Avior
                    And where did you see the hatred?


                    And those. you calmly and for granted the change of our system? Well then. Everything changes.

                    Quote: Avior
                    Yes, and you do not know the text clearly, otherwise you would not have brought


                    I know, because in my childhood I was a pilot of an aero club and I have raid on gliders LAK-14 and Blahnik. Small, but that is what it is.
                  3. Avior
                    Avior 30 May 2021 17: 32
                    +2
                    Oh, so you deliberately wanted to deceive me.
                    Clear.
                    I will not bother you to compose further.
                    hi
                  4. slipped
                    slipped 30 May 2021 19: 53
                    +5
                    Quote: Avior
                    I will not bother you to compose further. hi


                    I only have facts.
            2. Stas157
              Stas157 30 May 2021 21: 04
              +2
              Quote: slipped
              And you hate from lack of money? Couldn't fit into the "market"? Just a question without a second thought.

              This is rather a question for you. It is you who are getting personal and trying to offend the interlocutor whom you do not know at all. Nevertheless, they stuck two labels on him about hatred and lack of money. Obviously, you are not driven by good intentions.
            3. slipped
              slipped 30 May 2021 21: 54
              0
              Quote: Stas157
              It is you who are getting personal and trying to offend the interlocutor,


              Not. Not even in my thoughts. I have no hatred. By the way, I make good money and am not ashamed of it. laughing Capitalist, in terminology.

              Quote: Stas157
              Obviously,


              Not obvious. You have come up with it yourself, you make a conclusion. Everything is as usual. Are you driven by bad intentions? lol
  2. Cosm22
    Cosm22 30 May 2021 15: 44
    +4
    Can't you deign to decipher the phrase "high stage of production"? In percentage terms, can you designate it? High is over 50%? Those. half the work has already been done? Is there a mere trifle left?
    When I look at such rainbow pictures, a certain analogy arises. Similar pictures of one module were also constantly shown to us. For a quarter of a century. With promises that "soon ... very soon ... just a little bit more ...". As a result, the "Science" module is still found on Earth. And the abundance of beautiful pictures somehow did not contribute to its successful start.
    By the way, how's it going with the insurance? Launch of Proton with MLM? After all, the epoch-making event is approaching. We are all looking forward to the launch of the module, which can finally fly, albeit with more than half the functionality cut down. Are there any foreign eccentrics ready to sponsor this adventure? Or will it be necessary to urgently create a domestic firm "Horns and Hooves" with a penny authorized capital? For in case of force majeure all costs will be paid by the Russian taxpayer anyway?
    1. slipped
      slipped 30 May 2021 16: 05
      -9
      Quote: Cosm22
      Can't you deign to decipher the phrase "high stage of production"?


      Why you asking? laughing

      Quote: Cosm22
      In percentage terms, can you designate it? High is over 50%? Those. half of the work has already been done? Is there a mere trifle left?


      Have you seen the launch year? here on it and be guided. laughing

      Quote: Cosm22
      As a result, the "Science" module is still found on Earth. And the abundance of beautiful pictures somehow did not contribute to its successful start.


      July 15 launch. Already announced.

      Quote: Cosm22
      finally, it can fly, albeit with more than a half-cut functionality.


      Lies. The letter "U" in the title means - improved. It even added functionality. And the launch itself will be insured, don't worry about it.
      1. Cosm22
        Cosm22 30 May 2021 16: 43
        +10
        1. How is this why? If an uncle with big stars on his epaulettes breaks the news, may I ask for more details? Or are they not in the training manual?
        2. I saw the launch year. And not only NEM. But also MLM, for example. But I will not be guided by these figures myself and I do not advise others. For at one time he firmly believed that "Science" will fly in 2009. How could I not believe FKA Roskomos? True, Rogozin was not yet there, there was no one to gamble.
        Then he believed that the module would fly in 2012.
        Then in 2014.
        Then, when the epic with tanks began in 2017 and it turned out that we were not able to make new ones, the faith faded somewhat.
        Then, in 2019, he perked up again after learning about a feint with his ears with frigate tanks.
        Then he agreed with the setting of additional filters.
        Now everyone is waiting for the summer start.
        But in 2025, let me go, I cannot and will not. Already taught by experience.
        3. For the letter "U", see my comment above.
        4. Does additional functionality mean a transfer from a reusable to a one-time use of the product? Famously twisted. Is it really written in the training manual?
        5. I am not interested in what, where and when will be. I am asking a specific question: which reputable, competent and independent insurance company has ALREADY expressed a desire to insure the launch of Proton? How much?
        1. slipped
          slipped 30 May 2021 16: 52
          -8
          Quote: Cosm22
          May I inquire about the details?


          Go to the ISS RS Flight Director cosmonaut Soloviev and ask. Maybe he will answer. laughing

          Quote: Cosm22
          Or are they not in the training manual?


          Everything that is in the media is in the media. Read and see.

          Quote: Cosm22
          I saw the launch year. And not only NEM. But also MLM, for example. But I will not be guided by these figures myself and I do not advise others.


          A month and a half left.

          Quote: Cosm22
          For the letter "U" read my comment above.


          Yes, I saw. Lies.

          Quote: Cosm22
          Does additional functionality mean a transfer from a reusable product use case to a one-time use? Famously twisted. Is it really written in the training manual?


          What are you talking about? MLM-U "Science" - reusable? belay Yes, you just drive.

          Quote: Cosm22
          I'm not interested,


          So don't be interested ahead of time.
          1. Stena
            Stena 31 May 2021 11: 38
            0
            Thank slipped!
            Extremely interesting and educational!
            I always read you - like reports from the front line!
            We are very pleased with our successes!
          2. slipped
            slipped 31 May 2021 13: 00
            +1
            Quote: Stena
            We are very pleased with our successes!


            There will be many more interesting ones in this and subsequent years. Plowshares and swords are forged. Everything will be fine.
      2. Narak-zempo
        Narak-zempo 2 June 2021 09: 56
        0
        Quote: Cosm22
        and it turned out that we were not able to make new ones, the faith faded somewhat

        This is a question not to Roscosmos, but to the staff of the Hammer and Sickle plant, which could not make the enterprise profitable and in the end sold the land for construction.
  3. ccsr
    ccsr 30 May 2021 17: 27
    -5
    Quote: Cosm22
    When I look at such rainbow pictures, a certain analogy arises.

    So my analogy can be seen when you cleverly evaded answering the question when the Americans will fly to the moon (I don't even ask about Mars), and at least the approximate duration of their flight.
    I am asking this question again - just do not evade and do verbiage, and at the same time let me know if Musk's promises for 2021 will be fulfilled. I am looking forward to your forecast, although I think that from a specific answer you fade as usual.
    1. Nazar
      Nazar 30 May 2021 22: 29
      +4
      ccsr - And to your question: "When will the Americans fly to the Moon (I don't even ask about Mars), and at least the approximate duration of their flight." - there is a very specific answer: the Americans will fly to the moon and to Mars before Rogozin can do it. And even earlier, the Chinese will be there.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 31 May 2021 11: 04
        -3
        Quote: Nazar
        there is a very specific answer: the Americans will fly both to the moon and to Mars before Rogozin can do it.

        And can you name the date at least roughly when this will happen?
        Quote: Nazar
        And even earlier, the Chinese will be there.

        It is possible, although as they say, wait and see, otherwise not only Rogozin feeds us with promises, and you hardly know personally at what level the Chinese lunar program is now.
    2. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 2 June 2021 09: 57
      +1
      Quote: ccsr
      Well, at the same time, let us know if Musk's promises will be fulfilled for 2021

      This is the correct formulation of the question.
  • shahor
    shahor 31 May 2021 11: 44
    -2
    Quote: slipped
    And the aircraft itself is on the slipway of the plant:

    And this is not the product, on the construction of which more than 1 billion were stolen? Is the trial going? 25 years old, you say? Oh well...
  • Cosm22
    Cosm22 30 May 2021 15: 07
    +16
    Before you post nonsense, study the subject.
    OS "Skylab" was launched by the United States into orbit in May 1973. Station with multiple crew reception and an internal volume of 352,4 m³, i.e. Soviet DOS "Salyut" and other "Diamonds" by this indicator were not suitable for her. And what is the side of the USSR?
    Further. The mention of the ISS is not entirely correct. For the financial costs, the mass of the cargo delivered to the station, the overall and mass volumes and the number of modules in Russia do not allow Russia to claim leadership in this matter. She is just an ordinary participant in an international project. The leader of the ISS project is the USA.
    Further. It is necessary to distinguish between the concepts of the ALREADY WORKING OS of China and only the PLANNED OS of Russia.
    And the last thing. The meaning of the term "evolution" means a process of continuous quantitative changes that turn into qualitative ones. The key word is change. The endless exploitation of the Soviet legacy of Korolev-Glushko without introducing elements of novelty, without moving forward can hardly be called such.
  • vadim dok
    vadim dok 30 May 2021 16: 08
    +4
    Of course, the race is not needed, so the tests of the methane engine for the Russian reusable AMUR-LNG launch vehicle were postponed to November 2025.
    1. slipped
      slipped 30 May 2021 22: 06
      +4
      Quote: vadim dok
      Of course, the race is not needed, so the tests of the methane engine for the Russian reusable AMUR-LNG launch vehicle were postponed to November 2025.


      Everything is great in this message from RIA - from an attempt to suck the grudge out of a finger, to the terminology. laughing Once again I am convinced of this.

      The engine is tested on its demonstrator. And the release of the finishing batch was postponed to the deadline before the HSI and the OSI, because there is no need before.
    2. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 2 June 2021 10: 02
      0
      Quote: vadim dok
      Of course, the race is not needed, so the tests of the methane engine for the Russian reusable AMUR-LNG launch vehicle were postponed to November 2025.

      Methane engines are a dead end.
  • DymOk_v_dYmke
    DymOk_v_dYmke 30 May 2021 17: 22
    +3
    The PRC has a clear plan and the PRC is clearly following it.
    The rest (including Russia) are mostly PR attempts.
    Real problems are also being solved, but as if along the way.
  • Normal
    Normal 30 May 2021 22: 17
    -2
    Quote: RealPilot
    ........ a lot can be done on its basis.

    Or you can do nothing.

    Quote: RealPilot
    We've been in space for a long time

    Come back urgently.
    Otherwise, we have such things here on earth that your optimism is somewhat outdated.
  • NF68
    NF68 30 May 2021 15: 45
    +4
    Quote: tTshka
    Well done, what else can I say ...


    "Backward" China.
  • Aviator_
    Aviator_ 30 May 2021 19: 59
    +2
    That's what the tanks that passed through Tiananmen Square are doing in time!
  • rocket757
    rocket757 30 May 2021 12: 22
    +9
    China does what it wants to do ... so it will.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 30 May 2021 12: 46
      +13
      The Martian rover slid off the platform.


      The ship docked at the station.


      On the 17th, according to the plan, a flight with 3 teikonauts to the station.

      Another interesting thing is that soon a new rocket from a Chinese private trader is flying, at 1,5-2 tons with a low carrying capacity. Demo for June.

      1. Disant
        Disant 30 May 2021 13: 04
        +2
        nozzles from a private trader are somehow painfully straightforward and shiny
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 30 May 2021 20: 02
          0
          nozzles from a private trader are somehow painfully straightforward and shiny

          The outer part of the nozzle has nothing to do with the acceleration of combustion products, that is, to the inner part, and can be anything you like.
  • Alien From
    Alien From 30 May 2021 12: 24
    +10
    We can only say that the Chinese are great.
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  • knn54
    knn54 30 May 2021 12: 50
    +7
    -Lunar mission,
    -Mars sounding program
    - satellite navigation system "Beidou",
    -booster rocket "Changzheng"
    Etc
    The political will of the country's leadership.
    Oligarchs are patriots who pay and do not steal.
    This also applies to Turkey.
    1. dauria
      dauria 30 May 2021 13: 16
      -6
      The political will of the country's leadership.
      Oligarchs are patriots who pay and do not steal.


      Eh, sorry not for long. "Leadership" does not last forever. The patriotic oligarchs will not deny themselves the pleasure of establishing the "necessary" leadership for themselves. And everything will become like everyone else. Yachts, Maybachs and draft animals. And there will be no "theft". There will be "legal" enrichment, like everyone else.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 30 May 2021 14: 07
        0
        The Chinese are not, and apparently the Chinese Communist Party has drawn the right conclusions from our sad fate ..
        1. dauria
          dauria 30 May 2021 14: 17
          -2
          the Chinese Communist Party made the right conclusions

          They didn't do a damn thing. If they did, then there would be strikes and trade unions, which constitute a normal and vital counterbalance to the authorities. Needed above all by the authorities themselves.
      2. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 30 May 2021 15: 25
        0
        In the United States, the oligarchs have been in power for hundreds of years and nothing is the strongest country on the planet.
        1. lisiy prapor
          lisiy prapor 30 May 2021 22: 50
          0
          Quote: BlackMokona
          In the United States, the oligarchs have been in power for hundreds of years and nothing is the strongest country on the planet.

          They have richer oil in their heads, and it's good with the instinct of self-preservation, and yes, they have nowhere to run, except with the Mask, to Mars.
      3. lisiy prapor
        lisiy prapor 30 May 2021 22: 47
        +1
        Quote: dauria
        Eh, sorry not for long. "Leadership" does not last forever. The patriotic oligarchs will not deny themselves the pleasure of establishing the "necessary" leadership for themselves. And everything will become like everyone else. Yachts, Maybachs and draft animals. And there will be no "theft". There will be "legal" enrichment, like everyone else.

        Any person, unfortunately, can judge others by a single model - by himself.
    2. Israel
      Israel 30 May 2021 15: 03
      0
      Oligarchs are patriots who pay and do not steal.


      Come on, here are the keywords to search for Wuhan Hongxin Semiconductor Manufacturing Co.
      Well, there will be more oligarchs in China than there will be in Russia, it is another matter that they, of course, for the most part are not connected with the raw materials business, yes, but here the conditions are different, China, when it decided to start building capitalism, there was no money in China the resource-based economy that Russia had after the collapse of the USSR. And accordingly, businessmen and "oligarchs" appeared in a completely different way.
  • Eldorado
    Eldorado 30 May 2021 12: 54
    +4
    Not astronauts, but taikonauts. Correct.
    1. Antokha
      Antokha 31 May 2021 17: 00
      0
      Exactly (+), otherwise it seems that the Chinese are repeating after the Americans, which in this case is not at all the case. Copying someone else's words speaks of semantic impotence, which modern China does not suffer.
  • slipped
    slipped 30 May 2021 12: 55
    +7
    here is a more detailed video about the truck:



    I flew to the station in 8 hours 6 minutes.

    To date, the record for the speed of cargo delivery belongs to our Progress MS-15, which flew to the ISS in 3 hours 18 minutes, as part of a test for fast delivery to the cosmonaut station.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 30 May 2021 12: 59
    +4
    All that remains is to congratulate the Chinese on their successes. We have nothing to boast about in space, this is not the USSR, when they decided and did. ...
    1. slipped
      slipped 30 May 2021 13: 08
      +2
      Quote: Thrifty
      We have nothing to boast about in space, this is not the USSR, when they decided and did. ...


      What are you speaking about? repeat We do such docking 10 times every year - both upon arrival of ships at the station and during re-docking. For us, this has long been a routine. laughing

      By the way, this Chinese truck has a licensed copy of the still Soviet docking station APAS-89. And by design it itself is actually ours, developed under the Progress M3 KVRB. laughing
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 30 May 2021 14: 00
      0
      Quote: Thrifty
      We have nothing to boast about in space

      Again "everything is gone"? Wipe your eyes.
  • amr
    amr 30 May 2021 13: 22
    +3
    Quote: slipped
    What are you speaking about? We do such docking 10 times every year - both upon arrival of ships at the station and during re-docking. For us, this has long been a routine.


    Yes, we all here on the forum know what the salt is:
    they swing at a speed even higher than the one with which we degrade ...
    our achievement then, 30 years ago, now China will take 5-10 years !!!
    and what is proud of? - cry and sob!
    1. slipped
      slipped 30 May 2021 13: 33
      .
      Quote: amr
      they swing at a speed even higher than the one with which we degrade ...


      What is degrading there? Brain? laughing

      As for us, we are planning to go into outer space in a couple of days, in preparation for the acceptance of a new heavy 20-ton module on the ISS RS, and in a month the next Progress MS TGK is flying with cargo and fuel. Regular full-time work.

      Quote: amr
      our achievement then, 30 years ago, now China will take 5-10 years !!!


      Being the first is much more difficult than copying what has already been passed. But we are not standing still - in 5-10 years we will have new delivery vehicles for serial launches and the new station will be in orbit.

      Quote: amr
      and what is proud of? - cry and sob!


      Boo-ha-ha ... I've been waiting for this lol
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 30 May 2021 14: 12
        +1
        in 5-10 years, we will have new delivery vehicles for serial launches and the new station will be in orbit.

        Yes, yes, yes, everyone will have an average salary of 3000 bucks, and pensions of 50 thousand, and we will produce everything exclusively ourselves, and so on and so on .. The list is endless. Not tired of repeating Putin's rotten tales? For 20 years, it would seem that it would have been possible to gain some sense.
        1. slipped
          slipped 30 May 2021 14: 14
          -5
          Quote: paul3390
          Yes, yes, yes, and everyone will have an average salary of $ 3000


          Have you tried to make money yourself? laughing Or are you waiting to be brought on a silver platter? Some kind of ruin thinking, I swear.
    2. Israel
      Israel 30 May 2021 15: 05
      +1
      Well, starting from a "low base" always looks impressive, especially since China is already following a well-known road. But just like everyone else will run into the limit of a chemical jet engine.
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 30 May 2021 13: 25
    -1
    The Chinese are catching up.
    While on our experience, and soon they will learn, and they themselves will do without us.
    And then you will olyad, and we will have to catch up with them (although, rather, we will just put up with it and we will only sing songs about how we ... how once ...)
    1. slipped
      slipped 30 May 2021 13: 39
      -7
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      The Chinese are catching up.


      By this docking they are at the level of the distant 1986. Mir Station, when the first Progress docked to it.

      Quote: Jacket in stock
      While on our experience, and soon they will learn, and they themselves will do without us.


      Nope. We are planning a joint MNLS program with them.

      Quote: Jacket in stock
      And then you will olyad, and we will have to catch up with them (although, rather, we will just put up with it and we will only sing songs about how we ... how once ...)


      Another sobbing .... Are you being cloned here? laughing
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 30 May 2021 14: 41
        +8
        Quote: slipped
        By this docking they are at the level of the distant 1986.

        Not. Not this way.
        By this connection they showed that the level of 1986 has already been passed.
        And the speed of approach is already in the 21st century.

        lies. For the most part, televisions are produced in Russia, as well as many household appliances,
        no, do not produce.
        Collected from Chinese / Korean, European parts. With minimal local equipment such as plastic body parts, and even then not all. Yes, and those made on imported casting machines and with imported molds from imported plastic (made in Korea / China from our gas and oil)
        and the satellite-building company "ISS named after Reshetnev
        not so long ago reported on the share of imported components in the domestic platform for satellites. Moreover, the satellites themselves, to which this platform is screwed, have an even greater share of imports, you can search.
        And it is we who buy electronics for satellites from the Chinese, and not they from us.
        1. slipped
          slipped 30 May 2021 15: 24
          -2
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          Not. Not this way.
          By this connection they showed that the level of 1986 has already been passed.


          AND? They have not yet reached 1987. laughing This year we have a heavy retrofitting module Kvant arrived at the Mir station.

          Quote: Jacket in stock
          And the speed of approach is already in the 21st century.


          A very strange phrase - "approach speed", it is always standard - a few centimeters per second, even in the 20th, even in the 21st century, otherwise there is an accident. What did they mean by this?

          Quote: Jacket in stock
          no, do not produce.


          Those. the inscription on the nameplate of my Samsung "Made in Russia" is not true for you? laughing

          It does not matter with the help of what equipment it is made and from what components - if it is made in Russia, then it is Russian.

          Quote: Jacket in stock
          not so long ago reported on the share of imported components in the domestic platform for satellites.


          Sure. Import substitution of electronic components cannot be done quickly, and the satellites were previously designed in this way. But now everything is changing - by 2025, they will have new satellites from domestic components almost completely.

          Quote: Jacket in stock
          Moreover, the satellites themselves, to which this platform is screwed, have an even greater share of imports, you can search.


          This is you talking about connected geostationary. So we have long established strong mutually beneficial relations with TAS - we sell our loop antennas and various equipment for the service board to them, they are relay complexes to us. This is called collaboration - have you heard? laughing

          Quote: Jacket in stock
          And it is we who buy electronics for satellites from the Chinese, and not they from us.


          Nope, we don’t buy. laughing We are already producing ours.
          1. Jacket in stock
            Jacket in stock 30 May 2021 15: 42
            +5
            Quote: slipped
            Those. the inscription on the nameplate of my Samsung "Made in Russia" is not true for you?

            It does not matter with the help of what equipment it is made and from what components - if it is made in Russia, then it is Russian.

            Very funny.
            1. shahor
              shahor 31 May 2021 12: 07
              -1
              Quote: Jacket in stock
              Very funny.

              And the nameplate was made somewhere in Russia! Those. the product is Russian!
          2. Avior
            Avior 30 May 2021 15: 42
            +6
            ... Those. the inscription on the nameplate of my Samsung "Made in Russia" is not true for you?

            About the nameplate - it's true. :)))
          3. Jacket in stock
            Jacket in stock 30 May 2021 15: 50
            +2
            Quote: slipped
            They have not yet reached 1987. This year we have a heavy retrofitting module Kvant arrived at the Mir station.

            Duc and we can not repeat it.
            The module "Science" has not been completed for many years.
            The Chinese will launch their module soon, so all the rest will repeat the 1987th.
            But when we can return to this level ...
            1. slipped
              slipped 30 May 2021 16: 14
              -3
              Quote: Jacket in stock
              The module "Science" has not been completed for many years.


              Wrong. The Nauka module was made in 2013 on a rig that is no longer at the enterprise and has been in storage for six years for various reasons, including ambiguity with the ISS itself.

              As soon as it was required, the module was immediately prepared for launch. Now they are retrofitting with equipment. Launch on July 15th.



              Quote: Jacket in stock
              The Chinese will launch their module soon, so all the rest will repeat the 1987th.
              But when we can return to this level ...


              What level? laughing We have had the ISS RS for 21 years in space. laughing
              1. Jacket in stock
                Jacket in stock 30 May 2021 18: 13
                0
                Quote: slipped
                was made in 2013 on a tooling that is no longer at the enterprise and was in storage for six years for various reasons

                They wrote a lot about the reasons, there was ambiguity with the marriage and the way to eliminate it.
                And about the rigging you just confirmed my "whining", that is. we will not be able to repeat it.
                1. slipped
                  slipped 30 May 2021 20: 07
                  +1
                  Quote: Jacket in stock
                  They wrote a lot about the reasons, there was ambiguity with the marriage and the way to eliminate it.


                  As for the "marriage" - it was not, the tanks were created simultaneously at FGB-1 and FGB-2. FGB-1, that is, Zarya, successfully flew away, hung in space for two years and waited for the Zvezda module. But when they converted FGB-2 into an MLM module and found metal shavings in the pipelines. Those. it turns out that "Zarya" flew away with the same shavings and nothing happened to heras there are filters. repeat But, here, once found - it is necessary to clean! And they cleaned up to the point that the shavings got into the tanks, and there the bellows and such tanks, of this shape, are no longer produced. Since that manufacturer no longer exists.
                  There are also questions with the ISS - it was calculated until 2017 and the "partners" were delaying the decision on the extension. In general, when they extended it, the module was removed from storage and now it will start soon.

                  Quote: Jacket in stock
                  And about the rigging you just confirmed my "whining", that is. we will not be able to repeat it.


                  And it is not necessary, since this equipment was in the TsiH for retrofitting modules created on the basis of the FGB TKS and it was not planned to make more such modules. New modules, such as NEM, are being created by RSC Energia, they are built according to a different design - much more modern and with a large cubic capacity.
          4. lisiy prapor
            lisiy prapor 30 May 2021 22: 57
            -4
            Quote: slipped
            AND? They have not yet reached 1987. This year we have a heavy retrofitting module Kvant arrived at the Mir station.

            Not with us - dear Russians, but with the USSR
            1. slipped
              slipped 31 May 2021 02: 52
              +4
              Quote: lisiy prapor
              Not with us - dear Russians, but with the USSR


              Apparently you are neither Russian nor expensive. laughing

              It doesn't matter. In 2000, in the same way, SM "Zvezda" flew to the FGB "Zarya". And we have been using it for 20 years.

              Most likely you slept through it all in suspended animation. Joke.
              1. lisiy prapor
                lisiy prapor 1 June 2021 09: 44
                -1
                then I would write "with you" (as I wanted at first), but to my great regret, deer like ... we will not point our fingers destroyed my great country and voted like rams zealously, first for "alik" soul), and then for his former suitcase-bearer "well, hto, if neon"
        2. zlinn
          zlinn 30 May 2021 15: 26
          +4
          And the speed of approach is already in the 21st century.

          the approach speed depends mainly on the inclination of the orbit relative to the latitude of the cosmodrome, the inclination of the Chinese station is 41 degrees and the latitude of the Jiuquan cosmodrome is 41 degrees, so there is no fundamental problem of docking and 70 minutes after the launch, as the Amnricans did in their time, there is simply no need for this, especially for a cargo ship, the docking speed is generally a purely mathematical indicator that does not say anything about the ship or the carrier at all
  • amr
    amr 30 May 2021 14: 00
    +6
    Quote: slipped
    Another sobbing .... Are you being cloned here?

    Of course they clone, like everyone around us ...

    Wherever you look, everything is Chinese !!!
    TVs, telephones, equipment, tools, if something is even ours, all this is done on Chinese machines, everything from pencils to high-speed trains and space stations already !!!!

    China has never been at the level of 86, maybe with astronautics and in the 86th year of the USSR, but in all other respects, compared to us, he ran away so much before that we will not catch up with him!

    Hurray to quack with brains too!
    1. slipped
      slipped 30 May 2021 14: 22
      0
      Quote: amr
      Of course they clone, like everyone around us ...

      Wherever you look, everything is Chinese !!!
      TVs, telephones, equipment, tools, if something is even ours, all this is done on Chinese machines, everything from pencils to high-speed trains and space stations already !!!!


      Outright lies. For the most part, televisions are produced in Russia, as well as many household appliances, and the same South Korean manufacturers.

      The machines are also made domestically - the Progress RCC, which produces Soyuz-2 missiles in Samara, has received new domestic welding machines, and the ISS im Reshetnev satellite-building company has new domestic equipment for assembling spacecraft.

      Drive dear. lol

      Quote: amr
      China has never been at the level of 86, maybe with astronautics, but in the 86th year of the USSR


      This is a respected conversation about her. laughing Look at the topic of the topic.
  • senima56
    senima56 30 May 2021 14: 31
    +2
    And we were told anecdotes about them that there is nothing in China, but only: "to eat hottsa, very hottsa!" fool
    1. rjpthju
      rjpthju 30 May 2021 14: 56
      -4
      And there was also an anecdote about Petka and Chapaev ... And where did Petka ask: Where are we going to bury them ... It turns out ... Someone to bury ... The Chinese are flourishing, developing. And we ... Leaving us?
  • rjpthju
    rjpthju 30 May 2021 14: 52
    -1
    Learn Chinese. I can’t suggest anything else. The Criminal Code does not allow
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  • isv000
    isv000 30 May 2021 14: 53
    0
    At the stage of construction of the first module of the Russian station, a yard of rubles "sank", surfaced in parts later in Hong Kong and the Emirates ... lol
  • Yuriy71
    Yuriy71 30 May 2021 14: 53
    -4
    ))) And Russia will "give birth" to its station Right up to the 30th year .... By that time, it is not known what will happen! Another star and the failure of the Rosskosmos liquidation manager - Journalist Rogozin! On Trampolines, how does he send anyone else? Shame! He fully fulfilled his task of collapse https://topwar.ru/183519-pervyj-gruzovoj-korabl-pristykovalsja-k-bazovomu-modulju-novoj-kitajskoj-orbitalnoj-stancii.html#! It remains - well, a little more)))
  • alexey2073
    alexey2073 30 May 2021 15: 23
    0
    Well done. Can you please tell me, what has the Russian Federation done over the past 20 years in space, the space industry? Well, except for repainting the rockets. And then only the Chinese can hear, masks, even disco dancers in space are doing something, straightening something somewhere, exploring ..... It's a shame for the state! In fact, there is nothing but loud announcements and- "Tebe kyudi padvezti? Nedoroge!

    What, except for a minus, and there is nothing to parry? It is difficult to answer what the Russian Federation has achieved over the years of its existence, what new has it done in all the years after the collapse of the USSR?
    1. slipped
      slipped 30 May 2021 15: 51
      +1
      Quote: alexey2073
      Well done. Can you please tell me, what has the Russian Federation done over the past 20 years in space, the space industry?


      Of the interesting projects that have worked 200% and are now working are the following:

      2009 year - specialized transport cargo ship-module "Progress M-MIM"



      2011 year astrophysical interferometer with super-long baseline "Spectrum-R", service life - 7,5 years.



      In 2014, flight tests of the Angara missile system began



      2016th year the first flight of the latest modernization of the Soyuz spacecraft - TPK Soyuz MS



      2019-th - Astrophysical X-ray observatory "Spectrum-RG" - operates at the L2 Lagrange point to the present



      The list goes on, but the forum engine will not allow it. laughing
      1. alexey2073
        alexey2073 30 May 2021 15: 53
        -2
        Thanks you! hi
        1. slipped
          slipped 30 May 2021 16: 39
          +5
          Quote: alexey2073
          Thanks you! hi


          Yes pzhlsta. It's just that the contingent here is blind in both eyes in terms of Russian space technologies. laughing

          A couple of years ago they were shouting here - "ay, America stops flying its astronauts on the Unions - Roskosmos FSE". Shchaz have now quieted down on this topic - they are playing another waiting game. laughing In this case, for some reason, Chinese. They do not understand that China still depends on our technologies. And so he gladly agreed to a joint lunar station.
      2. ccsr
        ccsr 30 May 2021 17: 39
        0
        Quote: slipped
        The list goes on, but the forum engine will not allow it.

        Lay out such material more often - it is like a bone in the throat of our mitrofanushkas and all-fledged people, I study it with interest.
        1. slipped
          slipped 30 May 2021 20: 33
          +4
          Quote: ccsr
          Lay out such material more often - it is like a bone in the throat of our mitrofanushkas and all-fledged people, I study it with interest.


          Meanwhile, our private traders from S7 continue to grow the elements of their rocket:



          and this is the bottom of the tank they have grown:

  • Engineer Schukin
    Engineer Schukin 30 May 2021 22: 03
    -4
    Quote: RealPilot
    The Americans, too, have been in space for a long time, while for them the orbital stations began with the joint ISS with us. That is, Russia gave them the technology for a long-term stay of man in space in orbit, because this part of manned space exploration in the United States was not developed.

    Learn materiel and do not write nonsense.
  • Engineer Schukin
    Engineer Schukin 30 May 2021 22: 16
    -4
    Quote: slipped
    Not. Not even in my thoughts. I have no hatred. By the way, I make good money and am not ashamed of it.

    Yeah, Roskosmos has already posted the declarations of its office workers, the guys really settled down well.
    30-40 people get more than the head of NASA.
    Salaries of 1-2-3 million per month.
    I recommend everyone to read
    https://www.roscosmos.ru/417/

    And this is against the background of the fact that in the industry workers / engineers receive ~ 10 times less than their counterparts in the United States.

    Moreover, there are continuous losses, debts and lawsuits from Energia to Khrunichevtsev.

    So you are so funny sitting at a budgetary expense, but swagger.
    1. slipped
      slipped 31 May 2021 02: 59
      +2
      Quote: Engineer Schukin
      So you are so funny sitting at a budgetary expense, but swagger.


      I don’t work for Roscosmos. But the average salary of specialists is more than 100 thousand rubles with various allowances and a social package.
  • Engineer Schukin
    Engineer Schukin 30 May 2021 22: 20
    -2
    Quote: slipped
    Quote: alexey2073
    Thanks you! hi


    Yes pzhlsta. It's just that the contingent here is blind in both eyes in terms of Russian space technologies. laughing

    A couple of years ago they were shouting here - "ay, America stops flying its astronauts on the Unions - Roskosmos FSE". Shchaz have now quieted down on this topic - they are playing another waiting game. laughing In this case, for some reason, Chinese. They do not understand that China still depends on our technologies. And so he gladly agreed to a joint lunar station.

    What are you carrying? Who is it for? laughing
    1. slipped
      slipped 31 May 2021 03: 05
      +3
      Quote: Engineer Schukin
      What are you carrying? Who is it for? laughing


      For everyone who is interested not to listen to the whining of losers about their virtual world. laughing
  • Synoid
    Synoid 31 May 2021 03: 22
    +1
    Quote: Israel
    And why landing on the moon in quotes, while this is the most epic achievement of mankind in space.

    If only for special effects, and even then they made a bunch of blunders.
  • Synoid
    Synoid 31 May 2021 03: 26
    -3
    Congratulations to the Chinese, the third country to build its own space station. It can be considered the second after the Russian Federation, the United States did not have a full-fledged station consisting of several modules - this is how it was attached to the ISS.
    1. slipped
      slipped 31 May 2021 04: 11
      +3
      Quote: Synoid
      the United States did not have a full-fledged station consisting of several modules - so it was on the ISS.


      Wrong. The usefulness of an orbital station is not measured by the number of modules. The United States had the Skylab station and now has the ISS AS - the former nee Freed station. It is the combination of the Fried and Mir-2 stations that represents today's ISS.

      China, on the other hand, put into orbit a base unit similar to our 17K series modules - the Mir DOS BB and the Zvezda SM. Now I sent a truck on board. An event for China? Certainly. An event for Russia or the USA? Not. For both countries, this is a long passed stage.
  • gorenina91
    gorenina91 31 May 2021 06: 49
    -1
    The first cargo ship docked to the base module of the new Chinese orbital station

    - There are not very many joys for Russia ... - What is there to be happy about ... - let the Chinese rejoice for themselves ... - And we need our joys ...
  • Radikal
    Radikal 31 May 2021 19: 15
    +1
    Quote: spacekitty
    What is really funny is to seriously discuss stupid conspiracy theories, because this says a lot about the level of intellectual development of the opponent. I'll tell you a secret that there is another conspiracy theory - that Gagarin did not actually fly into space. This theory is probably not to your liking, is it? The level of evidence for this, if I may say so, "theory" is based on approximately the same argumentation as the denial of the reality of the Apollo program. For example, that there is not a single convincing video recording of the flight, there are no photographs of the Earth from space, and the very death of Gagarin for conspiracy theorists is a weighty argument in favor of falsifying the flight. Allegedly, Yuri was eliminated to hide the truth. However, for patriots, the lunar conspiracy theory is a kind of attempt at mental revanchism in view of the gradual departure of Russia to a secondary role in modern cosmonautics, in comparison with the space achievements of the Soviet Union. In this, in principle, there is nothing shameful, everyone achieves peace of mind with their own methods. lol

    How does what you reported affect the real fact of the achievement of Chinese astronautics? They took everything into account, all the mistakes of the country to which they were equal, and with this in mind, they went ahead. sad
    Have you received goods from Ali Express for a long time, bought various accessories, hardware? Where are they from? In response, "mighty Russia is going to create a hypermuseum of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. I wonder what kind of hyper-victories the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are going to talk about? Everyone has long been aware of the Victory in the Second World War, but there was ... the victory of the Red Army, led by Generalissimo Stalin! Which was privatized, and they are speculating on it! A purely American approach is to squeeze out of the idea of ​​grandmothers in the best possible way! Who are going to portray the museum, in the form of a turtle? The friends have a complete loss of a sense of reality, aesthetics, and common sense ??? sad
  • Radikal
    Radikal 31 May 2021 19: 18
    0
    Quote: slipped
    Quote: Synoid
    the United States did not have a full-fledged station consisting of several modules - so it was on the ISS.


    Wrong. The usefulness of an orbital station is not measured by the number of modules. The United States had the Skylab station and now has the ISS AS - the former nee Freed station. It is the combination of the Fried and Mir-2 stations that represents today's ISS.

    China, on the other hand, put into orbit a base unit similar to our 17K series modules - the Mir DOS BB and the Zvezda SM. Now I sent a truck on board. An event for China? Certainly. An event for Russia or the USA? Not. For both countries, this is a long passed stage.

    And what's next with the stage? sad
  • Radikal
    Radikal 31 May 2021 19: 20
    0
    Quote: ccsr
    Quote: slipped
    The list goes on, but the forum engine will not allow it.

    Lay out such material more often - it is like a bone in the throat of our mitrofanushkas and all-fledged people, I study it with interest.

    Is there anything positive alternative to report? winked hi
    I suppose that there is nothing, except perhaps still Soviet developments, because the management (pah, a filthy word) of the Russian Federation is not capable of anything, except for a well-known criminal act!
    https://finbi.ru/60131-oboronshhik-sovetskoy-shkoly-ocenil-zaslugi-sovremennykh-menedzherov-opk.html