Fullerene coating created: China announced a solution to the problem with engines of 5th generation fighters

China said it had solved an engine problem that had hampered the development of its 5th generation fighter program. The problem was that when a certain temperature was reached aviation the engines lost a significant portion of their thrust. This problem was typical for the WS-15 aircraft engines, which are planned to equip the new generation J-20 fighters. Today, most of these fighters use Russian-made engines.

Chinese state media report that a new turbine coating material has been developed to "fill the technology gap." From publications in the Chinese media:

This material will ultimately help increase the thrust of the engines when reaching the operating temperature regime.

It was noted that a specially membrane coating is being created in turbines that can withstand temperatures up to 1800 degrees Celsius.
Chinese press:

The technology was developed by specialists from Hebei province. The material can withstand temperatures up to 1,8 thousand degrees Celsius, protect against corrosion and provide higher traction. China is breaking its dependence on aircraft engine technology.

At the same time, in China, it was previously constantly said that they intend to overcome dependence on Russian engines and technologies for their creation. For this purpose, Chinese companies invested in Ukrainian Motor Sich in the hope of obtaining documentation of technological processes.

The Hong Kong edition of SCMP indicates that China was forced to buy Russian engines for years, and the WS-10 and WS-15 remained unfinished.

The new coating is based on fullerenes, and its warranty operation in engines will be about 2 thousand hours.

Chinese press:

Among other things, fullerene membranes will allow doubling the efficiency of aircraft engines when operating aircraft in low humidity conditions, including in airspace over deserts.

Comments

[Vovk]

In between, "a new turbine coating material has been developed that" makes it possible to fill the technology gap. " and bringing new aircraft engines into series is a big abyss.

[Orange bigg]

This material will ultimately help increase the thrust of the engines when reaching the operating temperature regime.

It was noted that a specially membrane coating is being created in turbines that can withstand temperatures up to 1800 degrees Celsius.
Chinese press:

The technology was developed by specialists from Hebei province. The material can withstand temperatures up to 1,8 thousand degrees Celsius, protect against corrosion and provide higher traction. China is breaking its dependence on aircraft engine technology.

I wonder who the Chinese comrades have communicated the technology to? Maybe Biden helped?

[military_cat]

Or maybe they did?

[sabakina]

Quote: military_cat

Or maybe they did?

Yeah, aliens drew a couple of formulas in the rice fields.

[Victor Tsenin]

Why do you have such a low opinion of one of the leading technological powers, is there chauvinism here?

[sabakina]

Quote: Victor Tsenin

Why do you have such a low opinion of one of the leading technological powers, is there chauvinism here?

I don't know what chauvinism is. I am Russian.

[Victor Tsenin]

I am also Russian, but the concept of chauvinism and derogatory attitude does not fit with the PRC, with all due respect.

[sabakina]

Viktor Tsenin, with all due respect, they found material to cover the turbine, but they cannot figure out what to do with the blades. The Chinese wall is certainly a great thing, but why do the loopholes look to China?

[Victor Tsenin]

I think they will understand in the foreseeable future, and, I suppose, without prompts in the rice fields)

[Vol4ara]

Quote: sabakina

Viktor Tsenin, with all due respect, they found material to cover the turbine, but they cannot figure out what to do with the blades. The Chinese wall is certainly a great thing, but why do the loopholes look to China?

I was personally in Badaling before the pandemic, visited the wall, heard about this myth and therefore specially checked where they were looking. Hi Fomenko, fiery pass on, they are watching from China

[sabakina]

Quote: Vol4ara

Quote: sabakina

Viktor Tsenin, with all due respect, they found material to cover the turbine, but they cannot figure out what to do with the blades. The Chinese wall is certainly a great thing, but why do the loopholes look to China?

I was personally in Badaling before the pandemic, visited the wall, heard about this myth and therefore specially checked where they were looking. Hi Fomenko, fiery pass on, they are watching from China

Well, if you, like Copperfield, also passed through the Chinese Wall, then ardent greetings from me!

[Vol4ara]

Quote: sabakina

Quote: Vol4ara

Quote: sabakina

Viktor Tsenin, with all due respect, they found material to cover the turbine, but they cannot figure out what to do with the blades. The Chinese wall is certainly a great thing, but why do the loopholes look to China?

I was personally in Badaling before the pandemic, visited the wall, heard about this myth and therefore specially checked where they were looking. Hi Fomenko, fiery pass on, they are watching from China

Well, if you, like Copperfield, also passed through the Chinese Wall, then ardent greetings from me!

Unlike Fomenko, he did not pass, but he can, he is the famous Peace door ball :)

[FrankyStein]

Because you are ignorant. The loopholes in the Chinese Wall are located either on the north side or on both.

[Popandos]

Was on the wall in the Beijing area (in our Beijing), loopholes in both directions.

[TermNachTer]

So yes)))) the problem of temperature at the inlet to the turbine has existed for as long as there has been a turbojet engine. Everyone who develops and manufactures such engines is struggling to solve this problem - mattress covers, the French, the British, the Japanese, the Russians. Are the Chinese the smartest? I am tormented by vague doubts))))

[Popandos]

The problem is not in the temperature at the turbine inlet (the higher it is, the greater the efficiency of the installation can be obtained), but in the material that can withstand these temperatures.

[TermNachTer]

I said the same thing, only in different words. The temperature of the gases at the turbine inlet must not be increased, because the turbine blades will not withstand, although there are already heat-resistant alloys with a high nickel content.

[EMMM]

I am sure that in the next 2-3 years the Chinese will be able to make an engine similar to the "117", and, possibly, the "product 30" - look how technological production in China is growing thanks to the American sanctions. I believe that only continued cooperation in the field of engine building will help us keep up with them in the foreseeable future.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: EMMM

continued cooperation in the field of engine building will help us keep up with them in the foreseeable future.

Do you think they will share technology?

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Victor Tsenin

Why do you have such a low opinion of one of the leading technological powers, is there chauvinism here?

John Bolton has repeatedly accused China of stealing secrets of the F-35. Google. Industrial espionage from China is put on stream.

According to leaks published by the German newspaper Spiegel, 50 terabytes of secret F-35 fighter schemes have been stolen from the United States. /epochtimes.ru/

Fifty terabytes of classified data is like $ 50 million in gold, which lies in the safe vault of the bank. If someone wanted to take it out, the only way is to enter through the front door.

Perhaps Chinese spies were deliberately allowed to steal such a colossal amount of information. Thanks to this deception, the Chinese Communist Party began to invest hundreds of billions in a stealth fighter that is already outdated. There is also the possibility that the stolen schematics had some changes that would nullify all efforts to create a Chinese counterpart to the F-35.

https://www.epochtimes.ru/kitayu-pozvolili-ukrast-shemy-f-35-98967725/

[Victor Tsenin]

Can I clarify, in which developed country industrial espionage is not put on stream?

[den3080]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Quote: Victor Tsenin

Why do you have such a low opinion of one of the leading technological powers, is there chauvinism here?

John Bolton has repeatedly accused China of stealing secrets of the F-35. Google. Industrial espionage from China is put on stream.

According to leaks published by the German newspaper Spiegel, 50 terabytes of secret F-35 fighter schemes have been stolen from the United States. /epochtimes.ru/

Fifty terabytes of classified data is like $ 50 million in gold, which lies in the safe vault of the bank. If someone wanted to take it out, the only way is to enter through the front door.

Perhaps Chinese spies were deliberately allowed to steal such a colossal amount of information. Thanks to this deception, the Chinese Communist Party began to invest hundreds of billions in a stealth fighter that is already outdated. There is also the possibility that the stolen schematics had some changes that would nullify all efforts to create a Chinese counterpart to the F-35.

https://www.epochtimes.ru/kitayu-pozvolili-ukrast-shemy-f-35-98967725/

John Chatterbox blames everyone for everything. He and the Americans were kicked out of state structures several times for excessive fantasies, intrigue and constant distortion ...

[UPS]

Trust Baldun ...?

[Alex777]

is there chauvinism here?

In the United States, in IT companies 20 years ago, I was faced with a persistent opinion that the architectures of complex systems are genetically better than whites (Russians in the first place) develop.
And the Indians and Chinese - they write the code quickly and accurately.
Therefore, in multinational collectives where this point of view took place, responsibilities were distributed in a certain way.
And this is not racism, but rather the most efficient resource management.
But now either BLM will ruin the States, or they will ruin BLM.
I don't see any other option.

[Victor Tsenin]

It’s more likely not genetics, but a way of thinking and creativity on the one hand, but diligence and diligence on the other.

[Alex777]

You may have noticed - I have given this point of view, but I am not commenting on it.
IMHO, it's still in the education system.
The German system (Tsarist, then Soviet) is very creative.
And the exam must be in the furnace. IMHO, again.

[Victor Tsenin]

Yes, I paid attention. And on the degenerative USE, I fully agree.

[silver169]

What kind of chauvinism is there. Ordinary envy.)))))))
China is one of the leading technological powers, Russia is one of the leading countries ... of the third world.

[hydrox]

If this "leading" SAMA had its own scientific schools and SAMA was engaged in the development of technologies and processes, and did not steal them, then yes, she would deserve respect, and if there is no basis for respect, then excuse me ...

[silver169]

All this is a matter of time. They will have their own scientific schools and technologies, which you and will soon buy from them. Remember the state of the Chinese industry 30 years ago. A gigantic work has been done by the industrious people, and the result is obvious - now it is the second economy in the world. I also want to remind you that Soviet Russia in the 20s and 30s often acquired Western technologies in a not entirely legal way. Theft of technology, industrial espionage is quite common in our time, and not only Chinese comrades are guilty of this.

[hydrox]

Hard work and scientific schools is a comparison of building an adobe shack with building an airplane engine.

[Vadim237]

They will also have their own scientific schools and technologies, which you will soon buy from them - We will not, since we have our own developments as materials and solutions, and China, as it was engaged in copy-paste and hybridization of our and Western technologies and developments, will continue to do this. because it is much cheaper and easier than creating it yourself from scratch.

[Remo]

For a country to become a great power, to be able to pursue an independent policy, to defend its interests in the world, it must:
1. Produce your own "iPhone", which will be bought all over the world;
2. Produce your car, which will be bought all over the world;
3. Have a strong currency for which other countries are ready to buy goods;
4. Have a strong and modern army and navy;
5. Have a highly developed defense industry;
6. Possess technology
In my opinion, China has not yet achieved success only on the 6th point. But the last 20 years have shown that he learns and changes very quickly.

[VO3A]

Is the only problem in coverage? How many critical technologies do the Chinese have that hinder the process according to their conviction? Not less than 5 !!! How are you doing with the others? We don't need military songs !
Storytellers, these advertisers ...

[Fedor M]

Only these technologies were "brought" to them

[Rostov Papa]

Comrade sabakina from your kammenty whinnied in a voice. Already a cat and a dog frightened. Exactly..

[sabakina]

Yuri Alexandrovich, I don't have a dog. But there are two cats. The thing is, I wrote a post, they read it and went to bed. And I believe them. They are still the same editors for me ... Cat scratches hurt for a long time.

[Artyom Karagodin]

More or less knowledgeable Sinologists say that the Chinese themselves do not know how to invent and develop. The mentality is different. But they have a lot of foreign specialists working at their companies, including ours, who provided them with a breakthrough in 4G and so on.

True, Xi Jinping intends to work on this issue.

[military_cat]

Quote: Artyom Karagodin

More or less knowledgeable Sinologists say that the Chinese themselves do not know how to invent and develop. The mentality is different.

Tell these people that they are called "fascists". You can write on paper for added irony, paper is one of the four great ancient Chinese inventions. It could be done through a quantum inter-satellite communication, but the Chinese are still only testing it.

[Artyom Karagodin]

It's not about fascism. And not that the Chinese are an incapable people. They are strong to others. And as for paper, compass, gunpowder and so on. - when it happened, remind me? Or do you think that the Chinese 2000 years ago and they in the XNUMXst century are one and the same people, who have not changed at all?

[Maikcg]

Please remind me why gunpowder appeared in Europe around the 14th century, and in the 15th only the lazy or beggar had no guns, and about the Chinese they write about the 7th century, but guns in Southeast Asia became widespread in the 13th-14th century, 700 years fireworks were played ...

[carstorm 11]

You just do not blurt out such things in front of real Sinologists. They will die of laughter.

[Artyom Karagodin]

Believe it or not, these are the real Sinologists and they said. And they didn't even laugh. The surname Vavilov, for example, does not mean anything to you? You are probably well familiar with the names of the researchers of the Celestial Empire?

[carstorm 11]

Exactly. The Chinese say this about the country that, in fact, directed the world. Compass, paper, gunpowder, book printing)))

[Artyom Karagodin]

Chinese scholars say this about China of the Qin era and post-Qin, that is, the current one. And the inventions made are a distant past. Since then, the Chinese have changed a lot.

By the way, typography did not come to Europe from China. There are serious doubts about gunpowder. It is a fact who came to etmou in the Celestial Empire, but China did not send anyone. They have always treated non-Chinese like barbarians, not eager to share knowledge.

[carstorm 11]

The Qin Empire is 200+ years BC. the same gunpowder appeared much later. All sorts of plows there, seeders and other things that moved life. I do not believe that Sinologists can even think of this, and not just say aloud, excuse me. Only stoned bloggers if only.

[Artyom Karagodin]

I was wrong, not the Qin, but the Qing era. Although the changes in mentality began earlier. It's just that under the Manchus they finally took shape.

All Chinese inventions are at least 1500 years old. And then what?

And as for the "stoned" bloggers, there is no need to apologize or
"not to believe", you need to know at least one domestic specialist in China. And not only his surname, but also his research.

For example, I refer to Vavilov. Delyagin says the same thing. Read (or watch) them. Or are they also stoned bloggers?

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Artyom Karagodin

Delyagin says the same

Is Delyagin also a Sinologist? Truly, the Russian land is rich in talents.

[Artyom Karagodin]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

Is Delyagin also a Sinologist?

First of all, of course, he is a specialist in economics. But he also understands Chinese realities well.

I would like to note that you were silent regarding other theses.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Artyom Karagodin

I would like to note that you were silent regarding other theses.

I am still impressed by the news about Delyagin the Sinologist. I did not get away from the culture shock, so to speak. How will I move on to study the rest of your theses.

[Herman 4223]

Science has long proven that people of different nationalities and races have the same intelligence.

[Artyom Karagodin]

It's not that someone is dumber and someone is smarter. Each nation has its own strengths and weaknesses. The Chinese are very disciplined, hard-working, and if they can, they hone their skills literally to perfection. In this regard, we, for example, have a lot to learn. But it is precisely this discipline that does not allow them to go beyond the designated framework. Out-of-the-box thinking in Podbenesnaya was not welcomed for many centuries.

And this is the problem that Xi wants to solve. Whether it will succeed or not is another question. Something is already working out, but here we are talking about breaking the mentality as a whole. And this is a daunting task.

[Herman 4223]

People who are engaged in science, they are always out of bounds. Regardless of the nationality, race or culture. Because they study what no one knows and then where no one has been.

[Artyom Karagodin]

Ideally it is.

[Prax1]

And what + - do the Russians have?

[paul3390]

the Chinese themselves do not know how to invent and develop.

Uh-huh .. That’s why almost half of America’s laboratories are staffed by the Chinese .. And if you look at the photos of American teams - winners in mathematics, physics, etc., it’s as if they were filming in Beijing ..

[TermNachTer]

And who do the Chinese work in amerovskie laboratories? just don’t tell me they’ve got classified information. I don't think mattress toppers are smart, but not complete either.

[DED_peer_DED]

More or less knowledgeable Sinologists say that the Chinese themselves do not know how to invent and develop. The mentality is different.

Quote: Artyom Karagodin

True, Xi Jinping intends to work on this issue.

Xi Jinping's laurels as a scientist - genetics is haunted by genetics?
Or did he decide to baptize all the Chinese?
One out of two.

[Artyom Karagodin]

I'm talking about the ability to think outside the box. Xi wants the Chinese to learn this.

For a joke - test)). I agree, the idea is not clear.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Artyom Karagodin

I'm talking about the ability to think outside the box. Xi wants the Chinese to learn this.
.

Somewhere in the distance I heard - "Perestroika ... Glasnost ..."
"Thinking not in a standard way" may lead you into the thicket of "democracy".
I remember the phrase "New political thinking".
I want to say - "think outside the box" - maybe domestic politics will be affected ... someone wants "competition for the CP of the PRC."
Xi - already behaved "outside the box" - canceled the limitation on the length of tenure as head of the PRC - there was a limitation of 10 years - now as long as the General Secretary of the CP of the PRC wants. (of course, after the next re-election)

[Revolver]

Quote: military_cat

Or maybe they did?

Or maybe just a declaration? They loudly declared that the Wuhan Institute of Virology has nothing to do with the Wuhan virus, aka COVID-19, and the crappy press supported them in this, and now, here you go, the crappy people recognized what Trump was talking about a year ago.

[Was mammoth]

China has already become a global factory, investing in high-tech and labor-intensive research. Creates its own scientific schools. As before the USSR. From those catching up, he will become a world scientific leader.

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: There was a mammoth

From those catching up, he will become a world scientific leader.

If everyone else continues to "entertain" coronabess, quarantines and lockdowns ...
Then, yes. The Chinese will have a chance.
They have no pop-eyed ones.

[Was mammoth]

Quote: DED_peer_DED

The Chinese will have a chance.

Chance is like the cards will fall. China relies on science and manufacturing.

Quote: DED_peer_DED

If everyone else continues to "entertain" coronabess, quarantines and lockdowns ...

The Chinese vaccine is being bought. They can produce the vaccine in the right quantities. They had a problem - where to test it. At home, the crown was multiplied by almost zero. This also speaks of the science and capabilities of China.

[abrakadabre]

Between "a new material has been developed to cover turbines ... and to bring new aircraft engines into series, there is a big chasm.

Nobody argues. The question is different: that sooner or later the amount of effort put into solving a problem turns into quality. The Chinese are growing, they are growing strongly. Consistently. First of all, fundamental science. And with the technological implementation, they have already filled up.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Vovk

technological gap "." and bringing new aircraft engines into series - a big abyss

Strange information. Fullerenes are C60 carbon. In the presence of oxygen at high temperatures (well below the declared 1800) it turns into CO2. The best ceramic coatings "keep" 1200 C. At the moment. It turns out that China immediately "broke away" from its competitors for ... forever. It's too ... good. Reminds me of a propaganda trick.

[AlexeyEg]

By the way, yes, I also thought about ... and about CO2 ... Or Fullerenes have a strong chemical bond, and not so actively interacts with oxygen. It is not clear .. I have not read anywhere about how well Fullerenes burn.

[alexey2073]

Do not worry, they will overcome this chasm easily and quickly. The Chinese are good at solving problems. It doesn't matter in what way, but for the good of their country, they will achieve the impossible, unlike a country where everything has no analogues. (And why not? Yes, because nobody needs figs!)

[Ov Gogolev]

China is introducing new developments very quickly.

[Uncle lee]

Chinese media reports that a new material has been developed for the coating of turbines

Well ... And China bypasses us ...

[figwam]

Quote from Uncle Lee

Well .... And China bypasses us.

I haven't even caught up yet ...

[Victor Tsenin]

It depends on what, you know)

[Uncle lee]

Quote: figvam

did not catch up ...

In many ways, he surpassed ... you save your hats for the winter ...
PS Behind them you need a constant look.

[Uncle lee]

Quote: figvam

I haven't even caught up yet ...

The first cargo ship docked to the base module of the new Chinese orbital station

[Disant]

Vladimir, we launched long-term orbital stations 50 years ago, the Chinese have just started.
all data that can be collected from these orbits has been obtained. the military component went to the satellites.
we are working on the ISS.
the main tasks of the new national station ROSS, the creation of which has already begun, will be completely different.
the Chinese still have to cut and saw, but of course, they will eventually catch up with

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Disant

over time they will catch up

It's a shame that they will overtake! And I, about the merits of the Union in space exploration - I remember and am proud ... I mean that we have now slowed down!

[dauria]

Well ... And China bypasses us ...

Yes, we’re okay, it’s clear with us - we were swelling. But what about the Americans? China is already bypassing them. All hope for the Chinese "Glasnost, perestroika". But before that, another generation - about 20 years.

[Essex62]

So they already have capitalism today. What is the point of bringing down the CCP if it does not interfere with the hucksters' lives?

[dauria]

What is the point of bringing down the CCP if it does not interfere with the hucksters' lives?

The hucksters will not bring down the CCP, this is their party. The Chinese have another "Achilles' heel" - there is no opposition to the hucksters from the hard workers. There are no strikes, no trade unions. While everything is fine, their bike is turned away from the left side of the road, the handlebars are turned to the right. But soon they will cross the middle of the road and roll to the right cliff. And there will be no one to turn the steering wheel to the left again.

[Essex62]

We moved out already. There is no, in fact, any communist party, no more signboard, and there are no trade unions. Chinese specifics. Some hard workers, bulging zenki, tearing the navel in three jobs at the same time. Worse, perhaps, than in the Russian Federation. We somehow survive. There, the authorities and public opinion will not allow at least a little relaxation. Die, but plow the plot.
I talked a few years ago with a Chinese, and spoke pretty Russian. "With us, in comparison with your life, hell, I think to stay." He left all the same.
By the age of 70, he will probably have a rest.

[Doliva63]

Quote: dauria

Well ... And China bypasses us ...

Yes, we’re okay, it’s clear with us - we were swelling. But what about the Americans? China is already bypassing them. All hope for the Chinese "Glasnost, perestroika". But before that, another generation - about 20 years.

No, one day the Chinese will cover up their NEP, then they will jerk off, I'm sure. And they have already gone through "perestroika", so it will cost. Sooner or later, the planet will be undermined. I also hope to get a party card of the RCP (K) -Russian Communist Party of China

[Maikcg]

And Russian quilted jackets without turbine coatings are collected, where the temperatures are near 1900 .. Can you imagine what will happen if Russian quilted jackets coat their turbines with this nanomaterial?

[hydrox]

The material has been known for a long time, but no one has yet presented the technology for obtaining, applying, and even stability ... unless later.

[OgnennyiKotik]

The creation of a Chinese analogue of the AL-41 is inevitable. First by parameters, then by resource. Keeping 2-3 sets of engines on the plane is not a problem for them. Better yet, we do not.

[Asad]

I am not an expert in this topic, but I do not feel any joy from this news. A “hegemon” has grown near Russia’s side to replace the United States, which will prevent us from growing technologically.

[sabakina]

Quote: ASAD

I am not an expert in this topic, but I do not feel any joy from this news. A “hegemon” has grown near Russia’s side to replace the United States, which will prevent us from growing technologically.

Fuck us. It's time to give up.

[Victor Tsenin]

How to understand, does not? Everything is in our hands actually.

[abrakadabre]

A “hegemon” has grown near Russia’s side to replace the United States, which will prevent us from growing technologically.

Taking into account the fact that de jure they are building communism there (de facto it is clear that they have capitalism there too), and we are diving deeper into capitalism, sooner or later China will have questions for us. Already of a principled, ideological sense. As well as to all other capital countries. It won't be soon. And we will be asked later than the rest. But this will inevitably happen.

[Essex62]

China will not export socialism. Leaders like Mao will not be allowed to come to power there. The guys settled down perfectly, exploiting the idea. It resembles our zyuga, only on a very large scale.

[Magog_]

It is very reminiscent of the current attitude of the PRC authorities to the Russian Federation, how the leadership of the USSR in the thirties treated Hitler's Germany: Modern Russia is an analogue of an "icebreaker" in a capitalist environment in relation to the "communist Chinese island" ...

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Magog_

"communist Chinese island" ...

What kind of nafig he is, communist, with private ownership of the means of production and billionaire capitalists?

[Magog_]

China's ambitions for world domination won't you deny? The ruling party is the CCP, and in whose hands the "means of production" is the tenth question. In Soviet Russia, there was also a period of NEP, but no one canceled the tasks of the "world revolution" ...

[Revolver]

Quote: abrakadabre

sooner or later China will have questions for us. Already of a principled, ideological sense

Already appeared long ago. Siberia is ours... And sooner or later they will make a presentation.

[Victor Tsenin]

"Shows" make you weak, so you have to be strong. Somewhere there were such fabrications, and it is clear as daylight that in geopolitics the strong always seeks to rob the weak, however, as in life.

[Vadim237]

Finish posting this internet bullshit already.

[gridasov]

Human development allows him to seek a solution to the issue in only one direction. In this case, it is much easier to change the process itself and the algorithms in the engine operation.

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: gridasov

Human development allows him to seek a solution to the issue in only one direction. In this case, it is much easier to change the process itself and the algorithms in the engine operation.

For such searches, they usually give such a hit on the head that the desire to "look for a third way" further disappears completely.
Sometimes it disappears along with the head.

[magdama]

I'm glad for China. He is now instead of the USSR, only without traitors Gorbachev and drunkard Yeltsin. And because there is ideology and the Chinese Communist Party. And at the same time there is capitalism. Although, if it were not for the catastrophe of the USSR, there would be no modern China. They learn from the mistakes of their older comrades. I'm glad for China.

[Victor Tsenin]

Well, here's an interesting point, they were fermenting at 89 and they made the right choice. Rather, if it were not for the USSR, then there would be no modern China, the necessary economy, technologies and many other things we taught them. And on our mistakes, they really became convinced of the correct choice of development.

[magdama]

Tiananmen? Am I wrong, or did the "restructuring of all Russia" come to China at about that time? But the wise Chinese comrades recognized the "sent Cossack" ...

[Victor Tsenin]

Yes, those same events. They recognized, took action and removed the rot without any pity.

[Essex62]

There is no communist party in the PRC. Communists do not recognize private property, the possibility of personal enrichment and the exploitation of man by man.

[magdama]

I agree. But the CCP is formally communist. We are talking about socialism. In China, they found their way to a brighter future. In 10 years, it will be the first on the planet in all respects. As for the exploitation ... It was also under the USSR, you can believe me. Everything you wrote about is dogma from Marx and Lenin.

[Essex62]

No, no and NO.
These are not dogmas, this is the base. What distinguishes social and social relations. And not any semitones, concessions under socialism, the huckster-money-grubber are not permissible. Personal material enrichment is a crime against the foundations of a society of equals and is punished immediately and inevitably. Having retreated from this, we lost the Country, having received a gangster-fraudulent education. The Chinese have created a slave-owning state in general, where it is considered bad form to work in fewer than two places, from dawn to dusk, even at night.
There was no exploitation in the USSR. I sent any chief in the forest if he tried to force me, violating the Labor Code. The state was on the side of the working man, and the party leaders were put in the role of arbiters. Delicious rations and a minimal set of privileges were enforced. With their help, it was possible to drive a bureaucrat of a non-minor rank into a stall if he violated the principle of the dictatorship of the proletariat. I used it personally. Well, the period before the coup was no longer socialism. Immediately, the working man felt a change in attitude towards his freedoms, and vice versa, the huckster tribe raised its head.

[magdama]

Very easy to understand. A real communist.

[Vadim237]

And not any semitones, concessions under socialism, the huckster-money-grubber are not permissible. And without private production and the same huckster there will not be a wide range of products and there will be a technical backwardness of the whole society, which the USSR demonstrated as an example - toilet paper began to be produced in 1969, for comparison in the west, ATM machines began to be produced in 1967 and otherwise the same individual ideas and proposals in a planned distribution economy built on top of it are considered, you can come up with anything on an individual basis, but it is almost impossible to introduce this into public life, which is why all our iPhones never came out of the garages of scientific research institutes and design bureaus.

[Victor Tsenin]

The device is described very clearly and objectively in the book Party. The secret world of the communist rulers of China. A very interesting piece, I recommend it.

[magdama]

Thank you. Do not specify who is the author of the book and where to find it?

[Victor Tsenin]

You're welcome. I bought here
https://www.ozon.ru/product/partiya-taynyy-mir-kommunisticheskih-vlastiteley-kitaya-5777987/

[magdama]

Author - Roman Denisov?

[magdama]

I'm sorry, I didn't see your answer about OZON. Thank you.

[From Tomsk]

HONG KONG / XIANGAN /, September 5, 2018. / TASS /. China will be able to start serial production of the fifth generation J-20 fighters thanks to the development of a new, improved version of the WS-15 aircraft engines, which will be launched into mass production from the end of this year. This was reported on Wednesday by the South China Morning Post.

A-ha-ha)))

[Rageee]

really happened?)) I remember similar news was two years ago, and China, as it bought Russian engines, continued to buy them ..

[Vadim237]

Nothing happened, this is all that is described in the article so far at the level of a proposal and most likely in practice it will turn out to be a failure.

[faterdom]

If they do it, we'll see. Sooner or later they will, they already have everything for this, and personnel, and science, and money, and political will. This is just one area, albeit critically important.
But they will soon do everything together in space, and here neither the United States nor we will have anything to cover, if we sleep peacefully for another five years.

[Siegfried]

Perhaps Ukraine did not sell Sich and sold them production technologies, or rather gave them for relatively small sums in the pockets of the participants.

[DED_peer_DED]

Simply, when selling the lightest (paper and software) have already been transported to China. And the walls remained "in Ukraine", deep ...

[rocket757]

Fullerene coating created: China announced a solution to the problem with engines of 5th generation fighters

... He who seeks persistently will always find.

[tralflot1832]

The ears of specialists, with the SICH motor, do not stick out in this Chinese breakthrough? Greens with muhamor flew again !!!

[Warhead-xnumx]

Certa paint can hold up to 1200 degrees. Sold in any major hardware store. I painted her fireplace. Great paint. We need to tell the Chinese about it. A little podshamanat and you can run in a series. And no expensive fullerenes are needed.

[Vadim237]

This paint holds only once for the second third such heating, it will begin to swell and then fall off - and even more so in the jet stream of the engine.

[Marachuh]

Inspired .... The beginning of the Iron Age: "we invented metal! We will soon start building airplanes, steamships, tanks and spaceships!"

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote from rudolf

China has been the absolute world leader in terms of the number of new inventions for several years now.

The number of our accumulated and unused inventions will overlap the number of "new Chinese inventions" for many decades to come.
But our bugs stuck. They do not need inventions, but even the opposite.

[Vadim237]

China has been the absolute world leader in the number of new inventions for several years now. And from this number of inventions, breakthrough units.
To giggle now at its scientific, industrial and technological potential, this is only to show their not the best human qualities - All their described potential rests on foreign equipment, technological solutions of foreign materials in terms of development and production, as well as hybridization and copying of the same Western products - purely their own on their equipment from scratch, the Chinese get bullshit quality.

[Wolf]

China HAS 1.500.000.000 POPULATIONand that's all. They crossed the threshold of backwardness and poverty long ago! Is it strange that they have not done such a cut before?
Country when Turkey talks about independent production of an engine for helicopters or when Israel makes an "iron dome" and KAZ zpr. , but it is LEGAL in China!

[yehat2]

Quote: Wolf

China HAS 1.500.000.000 POPULATION

does not have. study the statistics. one and a half billion according to official statistics, to the methods of which there are many questions.
And according to the estimate of consumption, first of all, food, no one can count more than 800 million.
Other estimates are even tougher - about 650 million.
In any case, it is obvious in many actual manifestations that there are simply no such declared huge reserves of the population. Why is difficult to say. First, about 40 million Chinese have left the country. Secondly, the period of prosperity of China after ww2 was rather short, during which the population cannot triple. And after the war, the population was at the level of 430-450 million.
Of course, 800 million is also a lot, but still almost half as much.

[Basarev]

Now Russian engines and aircraft are of no use to anyone. It remains only to exchange for palm oil in order to get at least something from foreign countries.

[IL-18]

Development news, not implementation news. Maybe they, for example, started a duck in order to bring down the prices for Russian engines. We need to look in perspective.

[Vadim237]

We sell weapons worth tens of billions of dollars, including fighters - and nobody needs you our engines - Logic.

[Gunther]

in China stated on solving the problem with engines of 5th generation fighters

China claims a lot, including its "antiquity"))))
In the harsh reality, "antiquity" is confirmed by "ancient manuscripts" written down from even more ancient ones in the 17-18th century AD, and the Chinese historians themselves unanimously, on a blue eye, claim that all the manuscripts in China were destroyed in 215. BC. by order of the emperor shi huang di .....
Where, then, did the firewoods come from the source of the nanny?))))

Well, but China has a real technology to "solve the problem with engines of 5th generation fighters", we will see on the purchase of Russian aircraft engines.
or lack of procurement.

[yehat2]

Quote: Gunter

all manuscripts in China were destroyed in 215. BC. by order of the emperor shi huang di

there were several periods in China when cultural traces were actively destroyed
and were destroyed with Chinese diligence - like sparrows under Mao.
the same three kingdoms - as a result, they massacred and killed 90% of the population. The same thing happened with documents and cultural artifacts. Archaeologists excavate thousands of armor, blades and other military belongings, but there are very few carriers of other information.
There is a lot of speculation about Chinese culture, but cross-reports from neighbors say that China is no less than 2.5 thousand years old. The remains of ancient Chinese ships were found even in Africa.
Another problem in Chinese history is that there are a lot of myths that lend themselves only to interpretation, but it is impossible to directly understand what it was.

[Gunther]

Quote: magdama

Author - Roman Denisov?

The consignment. The Secret World of China's Communist Rulers - Richard McGregor
available on Librusek (free library prohibited by the ILV)

[Burtas]

I doubt something, until someone cuts something off, nothing will come of it ...

[agond]

As you know, fullerene consists of carbon and in an oxygen environment at the declared temperature of 1800C it should burn, if it does not burn, then there is no oxygen or carbon

[yehat2]

Quote: agond

1800C it should burn

not necessary. Carbon molecular rings and crystals are renowned for their strength
graphite, diamond, etc. They have a melting point of over 3k degrees.
probably, the Chinese managed to find some kind of reaction for the formation of a refractory film.

[Rostislav]

Sooner or later, they would have solved the problem anyway.

[amr]

Quote: Vovk

In between, "a new turbine coating material has been developed that" makes it possible to fill the technology gap. " and bringing new aircraft engines into series is a big abyss.

In cases with our strange and maybe some other Yab supported you, but with China I'm not at all sure!

[Synoid]

Quote: Nagan

Quote: abrakadabre

sooner or later China will have questions for us. Already of a principled, ideological sense

Already appeared long ago. Siberia is ours... And sooner or later they will make a presentation.

Come on.
Taiwan first.
Then maybe Guam)))

[Popandos]

A ramjet engine is a ramjet engine, and everything inside this "pipe" only interferes and reduces the efficiency, therefore all combinational options do not go further than R&D.
The article is written about materials for blades for tpd, there are no problems with materials for pvd.

[Vadim237]

Ramjet + turbojet engine is already doing on the same SR72

[Dzafdet]

They stole it from someone again. Let's see what happens in the end ...

[Ax Matt]

Fullerene coating is a very promising direction. Fullerites today are the hardest and most wear-resistant alloys, several times harder than diamond.

[Vadim237]

In a jet engine, first of all, high heat resistance is needed.

[Ax Matt]

In the course (DVVAIU) ... This is meant as well.

[yehat2]

Quote: Vovk

- a big abyss.

how many such abysses China has crossed over the past 15 years!

[Vladimir Vlasov]

2 thousand hours is a good result