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The foreign press is discussing the statement that the S-500 air defense system is "a Russian blow to American prestige"

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EurAsian Times author Yunis Dar, starting to reflect on the advantages of the S-500 over the S-400, notes that the Russian S-500 anti-aircraft missile defense system was designed to combat the most modern NATO aircraft, including the F-35 Lighting II and F- 22 Raptors, considered the most advanced fighters in the world.


As the observer notes, the S-500 is an even more powerful weapon compared to its predecessor, the S-400, and is capable of bringing new capabilities to the air defense of Russia that no country in the world currently possesses.

The most important features of the S-500 Dar include the use of modernized 77N6-N and 77N6-N1 interceptors, which can be used to intercept enemy hypersonic missiles. The observer also notes the ability of the S-500 to hit ballistic missiles at a distance of 600 km and hit at least 10 missiles flying at hypersonic speeds.

It is worth highlighting the ability of the system to hit satellites in low-earth orbit, hypersonic unmanned aerial vehicles. This, as noted by the columnist Yunis Dar, represents a very large innovation in the field of air defense.

The S-500 is a Russian blow to American prestige. Our system neutralizes American offensive weapons and outperforms all widely advertised American anti-aircraft and anti-missile systems.

- Pavel Sozinov, the chief engineer of Almaz-Antey, once said.


Personnel from the exercises of the S-400 air defense system

Another very important ability of the S-500, which the foreign observer dwells on, is the ability to work at ultra-high altitudes, including in near space. By the way, Russian President Vladimir Putin spoke about this, describing the new anti-aircraft missile system.

It turns out that Russia, a foreign observer comments on the statement about the S-500 complex as a blow to the prestige of the United States, has become the first country in the world to develop and adopt such an air defense system that is capable of fighting hypersonic missiles. This is a key advance of the same United States, which even hypersonic missiles have not yet had time to adopt. So far, only China and Russia have hypersonic weapons, and the US plans to accelerate the introduction of hypersonic missiles into operation have not yet been implemented due to technical difficulties.

Thus, the S-500 is a much more modern and powerful system than the S-400, and although the capabilities of the latter air defense system should not be underestimated either, the S-500 is still a cut above it. This is probably why there is no talk of exporting the S-500 to other countries so far, although the S-400 is successfully exported, including to such "unreliable" buyers from a political point of view as a NATO member Turkey. But Russia is in no hurry to sell the S-500, and this is understandable: Moscow wants to be the only owner of such an air defense system.
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  1. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 29 May 2021 11: 00
    +13
    As far as I understand, the C500 will not replace the C400 and C350 .... but will be their connector ... and will enhance the missile defense function in the right directions.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 29 May 2021 11: 08
      +2
      S-300/350/400 - medium-long-range air defense systems, analogue of Patriot.
      S-500 - missile defense system, analogue of THAAD.
      Made different systems for different tasks. Naturally unified and compatible.
      Comparing the S-400 and 500 is fundamentally wrong.
      1. isv000
        isv000 29 May 2021 11: 18
        +27
        Well, I wouldn't get excited about an analogue, our systems are much better ... hi
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 29 May 2021 11: 37
          -26%
          Quote: isv000
          Well, I wouldn't get excited about an analogue, our systems are much better ... hi

          And what?
          1. isv000
            isv000 29 May 2021 11: 41
            +13
            Yes, and all the same, speed and onslaught ... bully
            1. Alexey Sommer
              Alexey Sommer 29 May 2021 15: 56
              -22%
              Quote: isv000
              Yes, and all the same, speed and onslaught ... bully

              How funny and naive you are .... Chukchi youth)
              1. isv000
                isv000 29 May 2021 21: 24
                +16
                For many decades, Chukchi youths caused a lot of inconvenience to the imperial soldiers ... hi
                1. Gunther
                  Gunther 30 May 2021 04: 02
                  -4
                  Quote: isv000
                  Chukchi youths have been delivering
                  a lot of inconvenience to the imperial soldiers ...


                  indeed, Chukchi the only people on the territory of Russia, which RI could not break by force of arms.
                  1. krot
                    krot 30 May 2021 10: 03
                    +8
                    S-500 - missile defense system, analogue of THAAD.

                    How do you equalize THAAD and S-500? They also called it an analogue. laughing Rather, these American systems are more suitable for comparison with the Nudol, but not the S-500.
                    And in general, the S-500 now cannot be compared with anything. no one has such a system!
              2. Light
                Light 29 May 2021 22: 39
                +5
                THAAD - target speed up to 3,5-4,8 km / s
                S-500 - target speed up to 7 km / s
            2. Pereira
              Pereira 29 May 2021 20: 26
              -5
              Where can you see all this?
              1. isv000
                isv000 29 May 2021 21: 26
                +6
                The striped commandos wanted to see this when they wanted to capture a group of air defense advisers from the USSR in Vietnam, but something went wrong. The commandos flew by plane. That was not the case. The survivors were captured by Vietnamese guerrillas in the local jungle ... hi
                1. Pereira
                  Pereira 30 May 2021 09: 41
                  -6
                  There was no S-500 in the USSR. And on that story that you are trying to tell for 25 years after publication in the Soldier of Fortune, a lot of people trampled themselves on.
                  1. isv000
                    isv000 30 May 2021 13: 13
                    +1
                    I didn’t say a word for the S-500, but I didn’t try to tell that story, but I told it and, mind you, it doesn’t say that I have anything to do with it ... laughing
          2. sabakina
            sabakina 29 May 2021 11: 49
            +17
            OgnennyiKotik, have you seen THAAD in action? And the S-500? I am stupidly interested in what indicators did you compare them?
            1. isv000
              isv000 29 May 2021 12: 09
              -5
              And I didn't compare ... lol
            2. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 29 May 2021 12: 31
              -6
              Quote: sabakina
              Have you seen THAAD in action? And the S-500?

              There are declared characteristics and statements of officials, and we are guided by them.
              The S-500, apart from testers in the army, has not yet been seen, it will go into production (possibly) in 2025 year. THAAD on alert with 2008 of the year. Between systems 17 years there will be a minimum difference.
              1. lis-ik
                lis-ik 29 May 2021 13: 32
                +2
                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                statements of officials, we are guided by them.

                Well, what about the statements of persons, it is very ambiguous .... After many "truthful" statements and then the opposite actions, they have no faith and nothing!
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 29 May 2021 14: 24
                  -3
                  Well, what remains? We believe with great care until proven otherwise.
              2. isv000
                isv000 29 May 2021 21: 34
                +2
                I won't say about the series, but in an experimental version near Moscow has long been standing ... hi
              3. Vioi
                Vioi 30 May 2021 00: 58
                +3
                C500 at 22 will be on duty.
        2. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 29 May 2021 11: 44
          -5
          Of course better. An order of magnitude. How many real targets did you shoot down, at least the S-400? And so, yes, better. And an order of magnitude. yes
          1. Orange bigg
            Orange bigg 29 May 2021 11: 53
            +15
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            Of course better. An order of magnitude. How many real targets did you shoot down, at least the S-400? And so, yes, better. And an order of magnitude. yes


            Sure. But the Patriot air defense missile system fired off "wonderfully."
            The American Patriot complexes in Saudi Arabia missed dozens of drones and cruise missiles that attacked the facilities of the oil company Saudi Aramco, because they did not meet the declared characteristics, and the effectiveness of their fight against small targets was low. This was stated by a high-ranking source in the Russian Ministry of Defense. Earlier, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo justified Patriot's failure by saying that "sometimes air defense systems around the world show contradictory results." In turn, experts note that the shortcomings of American systems have been known for a long time, but the US allies are still forced to adopt them.

            The US air defense grouping near the borders of Saudi Arabia, as well as the American missile defense systems in service with the kingdom itself, could not prevent attacks on the facilities of the Saudi Aramco oil company due to the low efficiency of the Patriot systems. This was stated by a high-ranking source in the Russian Ministry of Defense.

            Earlier, the head of the US State Department, Mike Pompeo, commented on the work of Saudi missile defense systems equipped with American Patriot complexes, saying that "all air defense systems around the world always work with varying degrees of success."



            According to the department, thanks to the United States, the most powerful air defense system in the region, with a continuous radar field, has been deployed in the kingdom, especially in its northern part, in recent years. The source added that the northern border of Saudi Arabia is now covered by 88 launchers of US Patriot anti-aircraft missile systems. Of these, 36 have the PAC-2 modification, another 52 are the newest PAC-3.



            ... “In addition, right now in the Persian Gulf off the coast of Saudi Arabia there are three more US Navy destroyers equipped with the AEGIS missile defense system and armed with 100 SM-2 missiles. The question arises: how could such a really powerful air defense system miss dozens of drones and cruise missiles? There can be only one reason for this - the Patriot and AEGIS air defense systems advertised by the Americans do not correspond to the declared characteristics, they have low effectiveness in combating small-sized air targets and cruise missiles, ”the source said.

            He added that these systems are simply not ready to repel the enemy's massive use of air attack weapons in a real combat situation.

            System errors of the Patriot air defense system, which were corrected on paper, and not in practice, were noticed during the conflict in the Persian Gulf, military expert Alexei Leonkov explained in an interview with RT.

            “In addition, it later became clear that the range of vision and target detection is directly related to the AWACS complex. If it is not there, then the Patriot is close to the Buk-M2 in terms of its characteristics. The United States, trying to inflate the anti-Iranian campaign out of this story, shot itself in the foot, because in fact it turned out that their complex was absolutely useless, ”Leonkov says.

            In a conversation with RT, a military expert, retired colonel Viktor Litovkin stated that Patriot is an "unfortunate complex" that the Americans continue to advertise and impose on certain countries, as was the case with Turkey.

            https://russian.rt.com/world/article/669905-patriot-saudovskaya-araviya-zaschita
          2. NIKN
            NIKN 29 May 2021 11: 58
            +8
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            How many real targets did you shoot down, at least the S-400?

            The lack of real targets in the C400 zone is good. It is not a good idea to deploy a database to prove which is better.
          3. isv000
            isv000 29 May 2021 12: 16
            +11
            Vietnam - striped howls from our air defense. 1986, Libya, three amerobombers - three S-200 missiles. The bombing of Libya has ended. Yugoslavia: striped stealth landed with C-125. S-400 - weapons do not have to be used, sometimes it is enough to have them - Khmeimim, Tartus. Well, my humble experience, in Sary-Shagan, it is true, but 2 missiles - 2 targets ... hi
            1. isv000
              isv000 29 May 2021 12: 22
              +1
              Legend from Vietnam: striped commandos decided to eliminate a group of Soviet air defense advisers. But something went wrong. They flew by plane. This was not the case. The survivors were gathered in the jungle by Vietnamese partisans ... soldier
            2. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 29 May 2021 12: 36
              -10%
              Uryayayaya!
              But Yugoslavia no longer exists, as well as a unified Libya. They were bombed by coalition planes and isolated cases of shootdowns have nothing to do with it.
              Airplanes, helicopters, UAVs of the USA, Israel, Turkey fly in the airspace of Syria. Regularly bombing our allies and S-300/400 do not bother anyone.
              1. Orange bigg
                Orange bigg 29 May 2021 13: 08
                +4
                But Yugoslavia no longer exists, as well as a unified Libya. They were bombed by coalition planes and isolated cases of shootdowns have nothing to do with it.
                Airplanes, helicopters, UAVs of the USA, Israel, Turkey fly in the airspace of Syria.

                How does this relate to the case?

                . Regularly bombing our allies and no one is bothering the S-300/400.

                The Houthis are not overly stressed by the American Patriots either; they are constantly bombing the American allies of the Saudis with the help of drones and missile defense systems. And the Saudis, after all, are allies of the Americans. And the Americans themselves got it at the al-Assad base in Iraq, so what?
                Recently published new footage of an Iranian missile strike on the American military base Ain Assad in 2020 in retaliation for the murder of Qassem Soleimani. It was the first open attack by another country on a US military facility in a long time.
                Iran, through the Iraqi and Qatari diplomatic channel, notified the United States in advance that it would bomb the base, giving the United States time to remove personnel to bomb shelters, and planes and helicopters to other bases.
                According to official statements, the total number of wounded and shell-shocked people was 115, although these numbers are also questioned, since the Pentagon was caught several times for underestimating losses during strikes on the Ain al-Assad base.
                The Americans note the high accuracy of the Iranian missiles and the fact that if Iran struck without warning, the losses would be enormous. In this case, the United States would have had to react, otherwise they pretended that "nothing terrible happened."

                https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/6594055.html
          4. Ros 56
            Ros 56 29 May 2021 13: 16
            +3
            For your money, any whim, adjust the goals, then we will evaluate what, why and why.
            The targets were knocked down, but those who wanted to get rough head on, somehow were not observed.
          5. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 29 May 2021 18: 25
            +2
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            Of course better. An order of magnitude. How many real targets did you shoot down, at least the S-400? And so, yes, better. And an order of magnitude. yes

            What to shoot down if there was no reason to use it? China in 2018 quite successfully conducted test trials of the S-400. They wrote here -
            https://topwar.ru/151600-smi-kitaj-provel-testovye-strelby-zrs-s-400-triumf.html
        3. older
          older 1 June 2021 16: 20
          0
          Have you seen 500 in business or so .......?
      2. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 29 May 2021 11: 41
        +6
        S-300/350/400 - medium-long-range air defense systems, analogue of Patriot.


        The S-350 is an analogue of the Patriot air defense system. S-300, some modifications of which are already outdated and do not pull on the analogue of the Patriot, while other modifications of the S-300 went a different way of development compared to the Patriot and the comparison is also not entirely correct.

        Most importantly, despite all the comparisons between the S-300 and the Patriot, modern modifications of these systems are hardly appropriate to directly compare with each other. Since the late 1980s, the directions of evolution for these air defense systems have diverged significantly. For the S-300P, the most urgent tasks remained and remains the fight against aircraft, as well as against low-flying targets, mainly cruise missiles. Already at the beginning of the 1990s, the S-300PM complex was created in Russia with a new 48N6 missile, with a doubled hitting range - up to 150 km. In further modifications of this missile - 48N6D and 48N6DM, used in the S-300PM2 and S-400 air defense systems, respectively, it was possible to increase the affected area to 200 and 250 km.

        https://вфгумрф.рф/voennaya-sluzhba/kompleks-s-400.html

        The S-400 is a universal system and, depending on the variation of ammunition missiles, it can be analogous to Patriot or THAAD.

        ... S-500 - missile defense system, analogue of THAAD.

        Yes, an analogue of THAAD, if the S-500 in the air defense version (there is also the S-500 in the missile defense version) has a 40N6E missile in the ammunition load from the S-400 ammunition with a range of 400 km and 185 km in height.

        The main advantage of the "Triumph" in the case of its use as an anti-missile system is its higher range. For the 40N6E rocket, it is up to 400 kilometers, while for the THAAD it is 200 kilometers. Unlike the S-400, which can fire 360 ​​degrees, the THAAD in the deployed position has a firing sector of 90 degrees horizontally and 60 degrees vertically. But at the same time, the "American" has the best vision - the detection range of his AN / TPY-2 radar is 1000 kilometers versus 600 kilometers for the "Triumph".

        https://ria.ru/20171227/1511775255.html
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 29 May 2021 12: 52
          -6
          Doesn't it bother you that Patriot is a family of air defense-missile defense systems? With various features and capabilities. And different options are comparable to different complexes of the "C" family

          Modifications of the complex:

          SAM Patriot PAC-1
          SAM Patriot PAC-2
          SAM Patriot PAC-3
          SAM Patriot PAC-3 MSE
          SAM Patriot PAC-4

          SAM modifications:

          Patriot MIM-104A - for intercepting aerodynamic targets.
          Patriot MIM-104B - with an additional function of passive guidance to jammers or ground radars.
          Patriot MIM-104C - for intercepting ballistic targets.
          Patriot MIM-104D - for intercepting ballistic targets.
          Patriot MIM-104E - for intercepting ballistic targets.
          Patriot MIM-104F (MSE) - for intercepting ballistic targets + increased maneuverability + active seeker with added ka-range.

          Hundreds of Patriot batteries are needed to cover the entire Saudi oil complex. The curvature of the earth has not yet been canceled. And it is the same for both the S-400 and the Patriot.
          1. Orange bigg
            Orange bigg 29 May 2021 13: 02
            +5
            It does not bother, since ballistic targets for Patriot missiles mean operational-tactical ballistic missiles. They do not work on MRBM and ICBM even in theory. Partly on the MRBM they taught THAAD to work, and then with varying degrees of success. The American Patriot falls short of the anti-missile capabilities of the S-400.
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 29 May 2021 13: 13
              -13%
              Quote: OrangeBigg
              The American Patriot falls short of the anti-missile capabilities of the S-400.

              Which universe? In ours, they are absolutely comparable. Patriot, moreover, the system that regularly fights, shot down the same Scuds. With varying degrees of success, of course. The capabilities of the S-400 have not been confirmed anywhere. No combat use.
              You can watch how the S-300 fought in the video:


              Quote: OrangeBigg
              They do not work on MRBM and ICBM even in theory. Partly on the MRBM they taught THAAD to work, and then with varying degrees of success.

              Naturally they cannot work, they are atmospheric interceptors. THAAD is therefore created and has been serving since 2008.

              It is very convenient and pleasant to shout, but the reality differs from pseudo-patriotic articles. In which there is an outright lie and concealment of problems. Which no one decides.
              1. Orange bigg
                Orange bigg 29 May 2021 13: 30
                +5
                You can watch how the S-300 fought in the video:


                Well, of course, the Soviet S-300PS is still that indicator. Russia, in my opinion, has written off all its S-300PS. They're a hundred years old at lunchtime. Outdated morally and physically. You would have cited the S-200 as an example.
                A frame of the video, presumably from a patrolling ammunition from the Azerbaijani side, before the defeat of an undeployed 5P85S launcher from the S-300PS anti-aircraft missile system of the Armenian Armed Forces. Presumably, the area of ​​the settlement of Kakhnut (Armenia) (с) via Caliber

                On the video footage, one can observe the defeat, presumably by patrolling ammunition of the Azerbaijani side, of the non-deployed 5P85S launcher of the Armenian S-300PS air defense system, as well as of two detection radars of the ST-68U / UM type (35D6, 36D6 or 19Zh6), one working and one off. One of these radars, apparently, was attached to the division of the Armenian S-300PS air defense system. The video recordings are characterized by the “cutting off” of the broadcast, typical for other Azerbaijani videos of the use of loitering ammunition (most likely, Israeli IAI Harop), a few moments before the target is hit.

                According to the Azerbaijani publishers of the video, the attack of elements of the Armenian S-300PS battalion (5P85S launcher and one ST-68U / UM type radar) was carried out in Gubadli (on the territory of the "Nagorno-Karabakh Republic" - NKR), however, more accurate geolocation, produced by in particular, by the telegram channel, it indicates that in fact this division was hit in the area of ​​the Kakhnut settlement on the territory of Armenia proper (at the very border with the NKR).

                https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4161634.html

                And the tests of the S-400 in China, Turkey?
                .MOSCOW, October 16 - RIA Novosti. Turkey has successfully tested Russian S-400 air defense systems, a source in the military-technical sphere told RIA Novosti.

                The tests took place in the north of the country, in the Sinop region.

                "Three missiles fired hit three targets," the source said.

                The Russian Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation does not comment on this information.

                Russia began deliveries of the S-400 anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) to Turkey in the summer of 2019, which caused a crisis in relations between Ankara and Washington. The United States demanded that the Turkish side abandon the deal, offering in return to purchase American Patriot complexes. The United States also threatened to delay or even cancel the sale of the latest F-35 fighters to Turkey, as well as impose sanctions. Ankara refused to make concessions and continued negotiations on an additional batch of S-400s.

                https://ria.ru/20201016/ispytaniya-1580167601.html


                .MOSCOW, January 10. / TASS /. China conducted the second successful firing of the S-400 anti-aircraft missile system purchased in Russia at one of its military training grounds and completed its test program. This was announced on Thursday by TASS by a military-diplomatic source.

                "The second test firing of the S-400 took place in December last year at a Chinese training ground. One 48N6E missile launched by the system's firing system hit an aerodynamic target (imitating an aircraft - TASS), flying at a speed of over 600 m / s," the agency's source said ...

                He added that the target was hit at the maximum range - almost 250 km. "This completes the S-400 test program in China, no other firing is currently planned," the source said.

                Earlier it was reported that the first successful tests of the Russian S-400 in China took place in early December 2018. The firing was carried out at a ballistic target (simulates a medium-range ballistic missile) flying at a speed of 3 km / s. The target was also hit by one missile of the system at a distance of 250 km.

                A TASS source noted that, following the results of two tests, the combat effectiveness of the S-400 was highly appreciated by the leadership of the PRC Ministry of Defense. “We have seen with our own eyes that the S-400 system has no analogues in the world in its class of weapons in terms of its capabilities,” the agency's interlocutor quoted one of the representatives of the Chinese military department as saying.

                https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5984635
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 29 May 2021 13: 40
                  -11%
                  And why do I need these copy-paste? Give examples of combat use with the S-300/400. Where are they? Syria is regularly bombed by anyone who wants it. In Karabakh, they showed exactly the full 0. At the exercises, everyone is doing well, but the reality is somewhat different. It is many times more complicated. There, and the curvature of the earth is sharply remembered and that it is not enough to hit the missile in order to shoot down and that the EPR of the means of destruction is very low.
                  The same Turks bought S-400s after refusing to sell them Patriot and SAMP-T systems.
                  1. Orange bigg
                    Orange bigg 29 May 2021 13: 54
                    +5
                    ... Give examples of combat use with the S-300/400.

                    Challenges are not right for you?

                    There, and the curvature of the earth is sharply remembered and that it is not enough to hit the missile in order to shoot down and that the EPR of the means of destruction is very low.

                    It looks like the curvature of the earth was somehow different during the tests? And during the fighting, it turns out that the curvature of the earth changes dramatically.

                    Here are some examples.
                    . Russian complexes S-300 "Favorit" have proven their effectiveness, said in Baku.

                    In the first days of the war, the S-300 air defense system shot down an unknown target over the territory of Karabakh, Azerbaijan said. Perhaps it was one of the Su-25 attack aircraft, although Yerevan categorically denies that its fighters were destroyed.

                    In Baku, despite the fact that Armenia criticizes Russian weapons, they say that Russian air defense systems helped Azerbaijan return the territory of Karabakh under its control.

                    https://shraibikus.com/1104169-568521104169.html
                    1. OgnennyiKotik
                      OgnennyiKotik 29 May 2021 14: 05
                      -10%
                      Quote: OrangeBigg
                      Challenges are not right for you?

                      Again. The tests are carried out under sterile conditions and we are only told about the successful ones (in the case of Russia). In the United States, they talk about unsuccessful tests, but little. If success is trumpeted to the whole world.
                      Real combat conditions are very different from tests and cannot be fully reproduced physically.
                      1. sleeve
                        sleeve 30 May 2021 07: 28
                        0
                        Do not give up! Criticize!
      3. d1975
        d1975 29 May 2021 12: 24
        +4
        What an analogue, this patriot wunderwaffle compared even with 300, the principle of operation is completely different, the blind spots of the sea, the Saudis have already checked hi And who stuck pluses to you? request
      4. El Chuvachino
        El Chuvachino 29 May 2021 17: 15
        +3
        Nothing of the kind, the S-500 is an air defense system with missile defense and anti-missile defense functions. The disposition to work as a missile defense system does not negate the fact that it is capable of covering the entire spectrum of S-400 missions.
      5. Joker62
        Joker62 30 May 2021 12: 48
        +1
        C-500 analogue of THAAD? Do you know well those parameters as the performance characteristics of both systems ???
        TTX named STSTEM in the studio!
        I think you will be wrong.
        And here's why: the S-500 is a completely new system, a new principle of its operation. As for THAAD - but it does not come close, but either Nudol or Vytyaz is suitable, but not like the S-500 Prometheus.
        Learn math and physics in one go.
        Good luck!
      6. Barberry25
        Barberry25 30 May 2021 18: 25
        0
        winked interesting ... is it possible to use a launcher with a missile with a range of 600 km separately ... let's say for work on AWACS aircraft ..
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 29 May 2021 11: 49
      +8
      Zaurbek - so it is, in general, the C500 will not shoot down f-holes 35 and 22, for this there are C400, and C350, so the Yankees think too highly of their stealths. ..
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 29 May 2021 12: 03
        0
        The S-500 will shoot down the F-22 and F-35. The S-500 has two versions, one is the S-500 air defense with missiles from the S-400 and S-350 for intercepting aerodynamic targets (aircraft and CD), the other is the S-500 missile defense system with missiles specially designed from scratch to intercept IRBMs and ICBMs ...
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 29 May 2021 12: 22
          +1
          Did you try to turn on the head? Or are only the links to the opinions of journalists interesting? Then keep the opinion of the Deputy Prime Minister for Defense.
          “The S-500 will not replace the S-300 and S-400 complexes; it has a completely different, complementary role. "Prometheus" is not designed to destroy low-level targets: aircraft, helicopters, cruise and tactical ballistic missiles - for this there is, for example, the S-400, it can neutralize 80 such objects at the same time. The S-500 specializes in targets moving at extreme speeds and altitudes that are inaccessible to other anti-aircraft systems. "

          - quoted in June, Deputy Prime Minister for Defense Yuri Borisov "Rossiyskaya Gazeta". https://vz.ru/question/2019/10/2/1000863.html

          Naturally, it is unified and integrated with the S-300/350/400 and they exchange data. We have a unified air defense-missile defense system in which data is exchanged between all the components and of course the S-300/350/400 can work according to the data of the S-500. But these are different systems with different tasks.
          Looking for links if you can't put it in your head.
          1. Orange bigg
            Orange bigg 29 May 2021 13: 19
            0
            You turn your head on yourself. In addition to aerodynamic and ballistic targets, the S-500 will be able to destroy hypersonic weapons of all modifications. There are 2 modifications of the S-500, one is air defense against aerodynamic targets, and the second is anti-missile defense.
            ... In an interview with Krasnaya Zvezda in the summer of 2020, the commander-in-chief of the Aerospace Forces Sergey Surovikin noted that the S-500 will be able to hit targets in outer space.


            “In terms of its tactical and technical characteristics, the S-500 can be attributed to the first generation of anti-space defense systems, since in the future it will be able to destroy low-orbit satellites and space weapons. The characteristics laid down in the S-500 air defense system make it possible to destroy, in addition to aerodynamic and ballistic targets, hypersonic weapons of all modifications, including in near space. It is safe to say that this system simply does not exist, ”the military leader said.

            The exact tactical and technical characteristics of the S-500 "Prometheus" are not yet known, however, open sources reported that the radius of destruction of the air defense missile system could reach 600 km. At the same time, the system will be able to detect and simultaneously hit up to ten ballistic targets, as well as intercept warheads traveling at hypersonic speed.

            https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/807422-rossiya-s-500-oborona-kosmos
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 29 May 2021 13: 31
              -5
              Do you even understand what you are quoting? Do you read at least? The commander of the Aerospace Forces said exactly the same thing as the Deputy Prime Minister for Defense, which is what I am writing.
              Quote: OgnennyiKotik
              Specialization of the S-500 - targets moving at extreme speeds and heights inaccessible to other anti-aircraft systems

              Quote: OrangeBigg
              The characteristics laid down in the S-500 air defense system make it possible to destroy, in addition to aerodynamic and ballistic targets, hypersonic weapons of all modifications, including in near space.

              Google the meaning of each word. Although it seems to be pointless. Shuffling and copying and pasting articles is much easier than thinking.
              1. Orange bigg
                Orange bigg 29 May 2021 13: 39
                -1
                An excerpt from your quote.
                . "Prometheus" is not designed to destroy low-level targets: aircraft, helicopters, cruise and tactical ballistic missiles - for this there is, for example, the S-400, it can neutralize 80 such objects at the same time.


                An excerpt from my quote.
                ... The characteristics laid down in the S-500 air defense system make it possible to destroy, in addition to aerodynamic and ballistic targets, hypersonic weapons of all modifications, including in near space. It is safe to say that this system simply does not exist, ”the military leader said.

                The first quote you cited says that the S-500 is not intended to destroy aerodynamic targets, and the second quote I cite talks about the possibility of destruction in addition to aerodynamic and ballistic targets (including) and the ability to destroy hypersonic targets.
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 29 May 2021 14: 01
                  -5
                  This is not a May quote, this is a quote from the Deputy Prime Minister for Defense that I just quoted. And where it says that not designed to destroy aerodynamic targets? Do you even know how to read?

                  I will translate for you in your language (although you still won't understand):
                  The S-500 is designed to destroy aerodynamic targets and ballistic (including maneuvering so-called quasi-ballistic) targets flying at high altitudes and extreme speeds (these are hypersonic speeds) that cannot shoot down other air defense-missile defense systems.
                  The ceiling of the S-400 is 30 km, but the atmosphere ends at an altitude of 80-100 km, respectively, targets flying at an altitude of 30-100 km and using aerodynamic devices (aeroballistic missiles, for example) are targets against whom, among other things, the S-500 is intended.

                  Learn materiel, so that at least understand what you write.
                  1. Orange bigg
                    Orange bigg 29 May 2021 14: 05
                    +3
                    This is not a May quote, this is a quote from the Deputy Prime Minister for Defense that I just quoted. And where does it say that it is not intended to destroy aerodynamic targets? Do you even know how to read?


                    I am not me and ... .. the quote is not mine.
                    Please read your post and especially with the quote you gave about the S-500. And do not pretend that something is not there.
                    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                    Did you try to turn on the head? Or are only the links to the opinions of journalists interesting? Then keep the opinion of the Deputy Prime Minister for Defense.
                    “The S-500 will not replace the S-300 and S-400 complexes; it has a completely different, complementary role. "Prometheus" is not designed to destroy low-level targets: aircraft, helicopters, cruise and tactical ballistic missiles - for this there is, for example, the S-400, it can neutralize 80 such objects at the same time. The S-500 specializes in targets moving at extreme speeds and altitudes that are inaccessible to other anti-aircraft systems. "

                    - quoted in June, Deputy Prime Minister for Defense Yuri Borisov "Rossiyskaya Gazeta". https://vz.ru/question/2019/10/2/1000863.html

                    Naturally, it is unified and integrated with the S-300/350/400 and they exchange data. We have a unified air defense-missile defense system in which data is exchanged between all the components and of course the S-300/350/400 can work according to the data of the S-500. But these are different systems with different tasks.
                    Looking for links if you can't put it in your head.


                    Especially for you from this post of yours.
                    . "Prometheus" is not designed to destroy low-level targets: aircraft, helicopters, cruise and tactical ballistic missiles - for this there is, for example, the S-400, it can neutralize 80 such objects at the same time. Specialization of the S-500 - targets moving at extreme speeds and altitudes inaccessible to other anti-aircraft systems "
                    1. OgnennyiKotik
                      OgnennyiKotik 29 May 2021 14: 08
                      -4
                      Do you have a brain? Highlight what contradicts what. Googled the meanings of the terms aerodynamics, aeroballistics, ballistics, performance characteristics of weapons. Can you write or just copy-paste?

                      not designed to engage low-level targets: aircraft, helicopters, cruise and tactical ballistic missiles - for this there is, for example, the S-400,

                      Where is it written here that it is not intended to destroy aerodynamic or balestic targets?

                      P.S. My quote means what I wrote. The quote I have given means that I have protested someone. Do you feel the difference? Or is it not Ferstein in Russian?
                      1. Orange bigg
                        Orange bigg 29 May 2021 14: 16
                        +5
                        The targets you listed (aircraft, helicopters, CD) are aerodynamic targets.
                        For your reference. Aerodynamic (AC) - manned and unmanned targets. These are airplanes, helicopters, ADA - automatic drifting balloons, gliders, UAV - unmanned aerial vehicles, KR - cruise missiles, planning air bombs.

                        It's funny to read such posts.
                        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                        Do you have a brain? Highlight what contradicts what. Googled the meanings of the terms aerodynamics, aeroballistics, ballistics, performance characteristics of weapons. Can you write or just copy-paste?

                        not designed to engage low-level targets: aircraft, helicopters, cruise and tactical ballistic missiles - for this there is, for example, the S-400,

                        Where is it written here that it is not intended to destroy aerodynamic or balestic targets?

                        P.S. My quote means what I wrote. The quote I have given means that I have protested someone. Do you feel the difference? Or is it not Ferstein in Russian?


                        Quoted to write correctly. You see ferstein in Russian.
                      2. OgnennyiKotik
                        OgnennyiKotik 29 May 2021 14: 20
                        -5
                        Quote: OrangeBigg
                        The targets you listed (aircraft, helicopters, CD) are aerodynamic targets.

                        Good girl! Iskander's rocket flying at an altitude of 50 km isn't it aeroballistic? Has it ceased to obey the laws of aerodynamics?
                        But you understand this phrase:
                        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                        defeat low-level targets:

                        Confuses nothing? The S-400 physically cannot shoot down an aerodynamic target flying at altitudes of more than 30 km, do you understand that? There is still 50 km to the end of the atmosphere.
                      3. Orange bigg
                        Orange bigg 29 May 2021 15: 01
                        +1
                        Good girl! Iskander's rocket flying at an altitude of 50 km isn't it aeroballistic? Has it ceased to obey the laws of aerodynamics?

                        What are you arguing if there was nothing said about heights in your quote. It is simply written that it is not intended for work on aerodynamic targets. And what does it have to do with aeroballistic targets about which, too, not a word was said there?
                        Iskander's rocket flying at altitude 50 isn't it aeroballistic?



                        50 meters. No. It is an aerodynamic cruise missile.
                        50 kilometers. Yes. This is already an aeroballistic rocket.



                        Flying completely in the atmosphere will "eat" more rocket speed. Therefore, the atmospheric trajectory will become shorter than the transatmospheric one, with a smaller maximum range. But on the other hand, continuous maneuvering is possible due to the atmosphere, therefore it is very strong. Maneuvering will also reduce speed, but increase delivery reliability. This option also became a working one for Iskander. The altitude of his rocket is usually given as 50 kilometers. Without specifying, the maximum is the height of a very gentle aeroballistic arc or the rocket flies gently at an altitude of 50 kilometers, horizontally gliding, spending the speed reserve with a slight decrease.

                        https://pikabu.ru/story/skazanie_ob_iskandere_ili_kak_rabotaet_takticheskiy_raketnyiy_kompleks_chast_1_8180548
                      4. OgnennyiKotik
                        OgnennyiKotik 29 May 2021 15: 13
                        -3
                        Peekaboo this is your level laughing
                        Quote: OrangeBigg
                        50 meters. No. It is an aerodynamic cruise missile.
                        50 kilometers. Yes. This is already an aeroballistic rocket.

                        The level of understanding goes off scale laughing The aeroballistic rocket has ceased to be aerodynamic, i.e. obey the laws of aerodynamics? laughing
                        This is what our aircraft understands by this:
                        AEROBALLISTIC ROCKET
                        a rocket flying on a ballistic trajectory to a certain height and then flying through the use of aerodynamic devices.

                        https://dictionary.mil.ru/folder/123087/item/130380/


                        That's all. I see no reason to waste time on an empty copy-and-paste, which, without the slightest understanding of what he is copying.
                      5. Orange bigg
                        Orange bigg 29 May 2021 15: 24
                        +4
                        What does the aerodynamic device have to do with it, if the rocket itself flies along a ballistic trajectory even up to a certain height? And for most of the flight, it just behaves like a ballistic one. What kind of game are you carrying? The question was about the fact that you cited a quote where it was said that supposedly the S-500 will not be able to work for aerodynamic targets, that is, helicopters, airplanes, CD. I refuted this with another quote. You began to twist here somehow sideways an aeroballistic rocket, about which there was no talk at all and try to prove something, jumping off the subject of the dispute. What kind of trick? You about Erem, you about Thomas and jump off with an inconvenient for you Topics. What nonsense?

                        You don't even understand the meaning of your quote. A missile flying along a ballistic trajectory is no longer ballistic, according to you.
                        AEROBALLISTIC ROCKET
                        a rocket flying along a BALLISTIC trajectory up to a certain height, and then the flight takes place through the use of aerodynamic devices.

                        https://dictionary.mil.ru/folder/123087/item/130380/
          2. Gunther
            Gunther 30 May 2021 07: 44
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            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            Ceiling S-400 30 km, but the atmosphere ends at an altitude of 80-100 km, respectively, targets flying at an altitude of 30-100 km and using aerodynamic devices (aeroballistic missiles, for example) are targets against whom, among other things, the S-500 is intended.

            Karman's line?)))))))
            Earth's atmosphere continues beyond the line
            Pockets. The outer part of the earth's atmosphere,
            exosphere, extending up to an altitude of 10 thousand km
            in terminology:
            1. "The atmosphere (from the Greek atmos - steam and sphaira - a ball) of the Earth is the gas envelope of our planet, extending up to 1500 km from the Earth's surface(Troposphere, Stratosphere, Mesosphere, Thermosphere, Exosphere). "©
            https://spacegid.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Infografika-atmosfera.jpg
            2.aero ... (from the Greek. Aer - air), a part of a complex word corresponding in meaning to the word 'air' (for example, aerostat, aerodynamics, etc.).

            Therefore, in my opinion, the aerodynamic target moves in the troposphere (0,1-8-20 km from the Earth's surface, depending on latitude) and in the lower (middle) layers of the stratosphere (at an altitude of 18-30-41 km).
            The altitude record was set by the Soviet test pilot Alexander Fedotov on August 21, 1977, he raised the MiG-25M to 37 meters.
            So, in my opinion, no "aerodynamic devices" can currently move above 43 km.
  • lucul
    lucul 30 May 2021 12: 56
    -3
    As far as I understand, the C500 will not replace the C400 and C350 .... but will be their connector ..

    The S-500 is a destroyer of amer's ICBMs and this is an unrealistically strong trump card for us, but not everyone understands this))).
    Indeed, in the event of a nuclear exchange of strikes, there is a very high chance that not a single American ICBM can fall into the territory of Russia, and all thanks to the S-500)))
    But our ICBMs are plowing the Western world with impunity. In fact, we are already winning the 3rd world war))))
  • rocket757
    rocket757 29 May 2021 11: 04
    +1
    The foreign press is discussing the statement that the S-500 air defense system is "a Russian blow to American prestige"
    ... Armed and very dangerous for the aggressor, of course. But worries, problems from this did not diminish!
    Opponent / opponent is looking for different opportunities to get ahead! In any spheres of activity, the functioning of our state ... this must be taken into account and external influences should be neutralized. There is no other way.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 29 May 2021 11: 08
    +1
    And why are they catching up with fear C 500? He can't shoot down asteroids! So not camilfo !!!
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  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 29 May 2021 11: 09
    +1
    ... the ability of the system to engage satellites in low-Earth orbit, hypersonic unmanned aerial vehicles
    Indeed, a blow to American prestige, and what a blow. They are lagging behind in hypersonic weapons, as well as the lagging behind in missile defense and this with an astronomical military budget. Every situation that is offensive to the United States is viewed by them as a direct insult and a threat to national security. This means that again there will be provocations, sanctions and further down the list.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 29 May 2021 11: 49
      0
      All the same, I must say thank you to people in the 50s who realized that we will always lose on airplanes, but in the means to lower them to the ground (for the Americans), it will be cheap and cheerful.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 29 May 2021 12: 30
        0
        Quote: tralflot1832
        All the same, I must say thank you to people in the 50s who realized that we will always lose on airplanes,

        We lost not so much in planes as in the fact that there were dozens of American bases around the USSR already then, and we had nothing like this around the United States. That is why they relied on air defense back in the early fifties, when they began to place air defense regiments around Moscow with stationary positions. In the future, this path turned out to be advantageous, and now we are generally leaders in this type of weapons, which, of course, pleases.
        1. Gunther
          Gunther 30 May 2021 05: 36
          0
          Quote: ccsr
          ...... We lost not so much in the planes as in the fact that the American bases around the USSR already then there were dozens ...


          rather around the countries of the Warsaw Pact (1955) and the countries of the socialist camp (Europe, South-East Asia)
    2. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 29 May 2021 13: 27
      -6
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Indeed, a blow to American prestige, and what a blow. Lagging behind in hypersonic weapons, so also lagging behind in missile defense

      Well, what can you say about ARROW 3 (Israel) and AN / TPY-2 radar - missile defense radar (USA)?
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 29 May 2021 11: 15
    +10
    "... including the F-35 Lighting II and F-22 Raptor, which are considered the most advanced fighters in the world."
    They are considered the most perfect in the world only in mattresses and Israel. Their opinions can be disregarded.
    And there is no blow to American prestige. You can't hit something that isn't there.
  • isv000
    isv000 29 May 2021 11: 16
    +4
    It is better already because we have it. And every spacecraft there will now have to look around more often to see if anyone is flying towards ... lol
  • Antropos
    Antropos 29 May 2021 11: 21
    +1
    500, as a groundwork for the future - a good engine. But, the full potential of 400 has not yet been realized. And, as for me, too universal an air defense system for dealing with ALL types of targets is rather harmful both in the military and in the economic sense. Ask any housewife: how many knives does she have?
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 29 May 2021 11: 25
    +5
    The biggest blow to American prestige is their Patriot. And our S-500 is not intended to strike at their ... soaked prestige, but to strike at objects that threaten us.
  • RealPilot
    RealPilot 29 May 2021 11: 53
    +3
    Quote: Captive
    The biggest blow to American prestige is their Patriot. And our S-500 is not intended to strike at their ... soaked prestige, but to strike at objects that threaten us.

    That's it!
    I read everything and wondered when it would be said. After all, the task of a weapon in the form of maintaining prestige is very secondary, because it is precisely its combat capabilities that determine its need.
    Yes, the S-500 is a wonderful new system, created not to throw dust in the eyes of idle reporters, but to protect the Motherland!
  • Klingon
    Klingon 29 May 2021 12: 25
    +1
    Quote: isv000
    Vietnam - striped howls from our air defense. 1986, Libya, three amerobombers - three S-200 missiles. The bombing of Libya has ended. Yugoslavia: striped stealth landed with C-125. S-400 - weapons do not have to be used, sometimes it is enough to have them - Khmeimim, Tartus. Well, my humble experience, in Sary-Shagan, it is true, but 2 missiles - 2 targets ... hi

    the history of the C-125 Vs F-117 is generally very shameful for the striped wassat drinks
  • Marachuh
    Marachuh 29 May 2021 12: 26
    +2
    Americans have long lost their prestige! They stuff their stuff through blackmail and threats. С400 is already out of reach for them! There is nothing to say about the c500! And where would the "great" America be without Russian engineers, programmers, scientists ... And now I'm not even talking about Sikorsky. Only our several thousand doctors of sciences speak in the USA.
  • Xlor
    Xlor 29 May 2021 12: 26
    +2
    Americans have no prestige. The title is incorrect ...
  • Light
    Light 29 May 2021 12: 32
    +1
    Somehow, the first to successfully test hypersonic missiles and the first to defend against them, everything is logical.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 29 May 2021 13: 26
    0
    And what is there to discuss, and so everything is clear, the Patriot of the striped showed himself in all its glory both in Japan and among the Saudis.
  • Laksamana besar
    Laksamana besar 29 May 2021 14: 07
    0
    Yes, the S-600 is already in development. smile
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  • Alexey Stepanov
    Alexey Stepanov 29 May 2021 19: 50
    -3
    Quote: Ros 56
    And what is there to discuss, and so everything is clear, the Patriot of the striped showed himself in all its glory both in Japan and among the Saudis.

    Well, I don’t know, in 2018 the Jews landed the Syrian Su-22 over the Golan with the Patriot.
    And the Syrians can't try something S-300 in any way, the curvature of the earth interferes with them all the time.
  • Lisa90
    Lisa90 29 May 2021 20: 25
    0
    In [b] [/ b] oVI All EU
  • jetfors_84
    jetfors_84 31 May 2021 10: 06
    0
    Quote: Gunter
    Quote: isv000
    Chukchi youths have been delivering
    a lot of inconvenience to the imperial soldiers ...


    indeed, Chukchi the only people on the territory of Russia, which RI could not break by force of arms.

    Have there been attempts?
  • Tiger
    Tiger 2 June 2021 22: 51
    0
    Quote: Gunter
    Quote: isv000
    Chukchi youths have been delivering
    a lot of inconvenience to the imperial soldiers ...


    indeed, Chukchi the only people on the territory of Russia, which RI could not break by force of arms.

    This is news! ))) Can you name at least one nation that someone broke by force on the current territory of Russia or the former territory of the USSR or Ingushetia ??? Well, except for the Tatar-Mongols, Poles, Turks, French, Germans and other small uninvited "conquerors of the world", of course ...
  • Vdi73
    Vdi73 3 June 2021 20: 19
    0
    Nobody knows how and what the S-500 is capable of, but analysts are already a dime a dozen, both local and foreign. Not many people know about the performance characteristics of the S-400, but about 500 and specialists have not yet been given to know, but everyone is rubbing the skin, it is necessary to discuss what no one knows about. There will be day and there will be food.