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"Mi-8MSB pilots scold": users about the increase in the supply of modernized helicopters to the Armed Forces of Ukraine

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Since 2014, after the start of the armed conflict on the territory of Ukraine, Motor Sich has gradually increased the supply of modernized helicopters in the interests of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.


So, as reported by the publication "Left Bank", if at the end of 2018 it was reported about the supply of army aviation 23 Mi-8MSB vehicles during the civil war, today it is already known about 37 Mi-8MSB and Mi-8MSB-V units, which were transferred to the military department.

That is, the APU was transferred to five modernized Mi-8s annually.

- indicated in the publication Defense Express on the volume of supplies for the needs of the Ukrainian army, explaining that the demand for improved helicopters is also observed from foreign customers: in recent years, more than a hundred modernized machines have been transferred to them.

In addition, Motor Sich received a large order for new metal blades for Mi-24 attack helicopters. This year, we are talking about the transfer of 10 sets of these products to the army aviation, of which three have already been delivered. In total, as noted in Defense Express, the Armed Forces needs at least fifty sets of blades to equip the Mi-24.

At the same time, by the end of 2021, it is planned to complete tests of composite rotor blades for multipurpose Mi-8, the need for which is also felt in the Ukrainian army.

Contracts for this type of blades have been signed with three countries. With three highly developed states operating these helicopters. Moreover, we are moving to the next type of helicopter

- said the President of Motor Sich JSC Vyacheslav Boguslaev, summing up the results of the enterprise.

However, users talk about the shortcomings of the improved Mi-8MSB and about the accusations against them from the pilots:

And what about the reliability of these modernized helicopters in the ZSU? There even seems to be an order not to fire from them, only from early modifications.

The pilots scold the Mi-8MSB. The quality is lame greatly.

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  1. Dimka75
    Dimka75 28 May 2021 14: 15
    +20
    However, users talk about the shortcomings of the improved Mi-8MSB and about the accusations against them from the pilots:

    users of what?
    Helicopter, toilet, Facebook, just anonymus, of which there are many?
    What kind of authority do they have?
    1. Anachoret
      Anachoret 28 May 2021 14: 32
      -2
      Quote: Dimka75
      users of what?

      users of the paper of the publication "Left Bank"))
      news like, of course, we hand over helicopters to you in batches after repair, do not try to fly on them and, moreover, shoot)
      1. Avior
        Avior 28 May 2021 14: 43
        +7
        News of the type OBS.
    2. RealPilot
      RealPilot 28 May 2021 14: 46
      +6
      It is impossible to make a modification of cars on the verge of depletion of the resource that meets all the current requirements and wishes of the flight crew.

      However, the Motor-Sich plant undertook the modernization, which essentially means remotorization. Taking into account the fact that there were no complaints about the turboshaft engines of this manufacturer, and it was they who were installed on these helicopters (if the old TV2-117, they will be replaced with the new TV3-117 in the current modification). They still fly.

      But, of course, they cannot be compared with the fresh Mi-8MTV-5 or Mi-8AMTSh!
      1. dauria
        dauria 28 May 2021 23: 42
        +4
        (if the old TV2-117, then they will be replaced with the new TV3-117 in the current modification)

        Something just hurts you. And what about the transmission, and transfer the tail rotor to the other side? And where to stick Aishka? It's too radical to make MT out of T. Easier Teshki otkapitalit, let them fly further.
        And even with the collapse of the USSR, there was a decent new park there, MTESEC. Perhaps it was better only in the GSVG.
    3. Thrifty
      Thrifty 28 May 2021 14: 58
      +3
      A good helicopter has fallen into fig hands, unfortunately! Even these 37 cars can do a lot of nasty things if they are sent to Donbass.
    4. Dym71
      Dym71 28 May 2021 15: 10
      -7
      Quote: Dimka75
      users of what?
      Helicopter, toilet, Facebook, just anonymus, of which there are many?
      What kind of authority do they have?

      After reading the news, the mood completely soured crying

      - Dear editors of the Military Review, please replace the video for the news with a pitiful song about a dying dog, "Puppy is dead" bully
      1. Anachoret
        Anachoret 28 May 2021 15: 17
        +1
        Quote: Dym71

        - Dear editors of the Military Review, please replace the video for the news with a pitiful song about a dying dog, "The puppy is dead"

        What "puppy" did you mean about? )) "Austro-Hungarian plagiarism" of the Chubinsky name or the original "the puppy died in our Poland, do we live ye"?)))
        1. Dym71
          Dym71 28 May 2021 15: 23
          0
          Quote: Anchorite
          What "puppy" did you mean about?

          The puppy died in Ukraine, near the village in the wild.
          The puppy was a young bull, ale the share laughed.
          Zvsim won, like dew on the sun,
          Zakopam mi її, from your side.

          We will lay the carcass with the body in our city,
          All of them are of the Cossack family.
          crying
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 28 May 2021 15: 47
          +4
          Quote: Anchorite
          original "the puppy died our Polish docks we live ye"?

          The Polish one has not yet zginenla,
          We zhiems sneakers.
          Tso us obtsa prshemoc borrowed,
          Chablaine are dressed
          .

          But already gave a darling.
          1. isv000
            isv000 28 May 2021 16: 07
            +4
            "... Ukraine has not died yet ..." but they are working on it ...
          2. The comment was deleted.
  2. Dmitriy444
    Dmitriy444 28 May 2021 14: 22
    +9
    Again highly developed countries, a strange expression. I see Boguslaev is trying for Bandera, he is modernizing the old Mi-8T. Well, then propaganda started, you can't shoot, the quality is lame. Shapkozakidatelstvo does not lead to good.
    1. Avior
      Avior 28 May 2021 14: 30
      +7
      The propaganda came from some users, it is not clear why
      1. Dmitriy444
        Dmitriy444 28 May 2021 18: 45
        0
        Are you an Mi-8 specialist? I'm a user.
        1. Avior
          Avior 28 May 2021 19: 23
          +1
          Are you a Mi-8MSB user?
          Write the details, it will be interesting to read. On occasion, I will convey what users think of their products ...
          1. Dmitriy444
            Dmitriy444 28 May 2021 22: 06
            0
            I am a Mi-8 user, you can insert any letters after, within 28 years. Can you tell us something new?
            1. Avior
              Avior 28 May 2021 22: 11
              0
              that is, you are not aware of any complaints about the quality of the Mi-8MSB on the topic of the article?
              ok, thanks.
              1. Dmitriy444
                Dmitriy444 28 May 2021 22: 15
                0
                Where is it from, enlighten me.
  3. Ros 56
    Ros 56 28 May 2021 14: 34
    0
    Let the last eights break and .... good. They will not receive new ones, and the capital will have nothing to do.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 28 May 2021 15: 53
      +9
      Quote: Ros 56
      Let the last eights break and .... good. They will not receive new ones, and the capital will have nothing to do.

      Well, they have their own engines and blades. And everything else is being repaired at the level of a garage cooperative
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 28 May 2021 19: 03
        -4
        And flies around those garages. lol
      2. Reviews
        Reviews 28 May 2021 19: 44
        +3
        Quote: Piramidon
        everything else is being renovated at the garage cooperative level

        This is not a sickly "garage" ... Which can master the repair of the main gearbox ...
      3. Eug
        Eug 29 May 2021 11: 30
        0
        The MC also makes an analogue of dampers 1919t, they have a name - a lot of numbers. I don't know the design details.
  4. Murmur 55
    Murmur 55 28 May 2021 14: 37
    +1
    Come on, worry, soon the United States will give Ukraine 100500 F-35s and the same amount of Appaches, and there is no need to even mention the Abrams and other "small things".
  5. markant1970
    markant1970 28 May 2021 14: 45
    +10
    The paragraph on the shortcomings, without specifying the source, confuses me.
    By the way, in the fall, one of the commentators crucified that Ukraine would not be able to master the production of blades, because these are high-tech products and will not be able to, because they simply cannot laughing
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 28 May 2021 15: 16
      +7
      The blades are already being produced, albeit in small quantities. The equipment for production was purchased in the USA and Europe, the workers underwent training there.
  6. APASUS
    APASUS 28 May 2021 14: 56
    0
    Contracts for this type of blades have been signed with three countries. With three highly developed states operating these helicopters. Moreover, we are moving to the next type of helicopter

    What are these three highly developed countries that are so at risk?
    1. Holgerton
      Holgerton 28 May 2021 15: 42
      +2
      Most likely Poland, Turkey, Afghanistan.
      But it is possible that the United States, Arabs or countries from Central Asia.
      They have nothing to risk, since they already serve their helicopters directly or indirectly through Motor Sich.
      1. Eug
        Eug 29 May 2021 11: 33
        0
        There is nothing to risk using blades that are not certified and approved by the helicopter manufacturer for use?
        1. Holgerton
          Holgerton 29 May 2021 15: 11
          +2
          Well, that is, of the great variety of parts on these helicopters, which are "not certified by the helicopter manufacturer" and have been on these helicopters for more than a dozen years, do you care about the blades?
          Let's just say that they take a voluntary, but very unlikely risk, which is the lowest among those probable for their helicopters, since practice has shown that Motor Sich can carry out repairs and upgrades of the Mi-8, albeit not as high-quality as Mil, but in any case, this is a preferable option for some operators if it is impossible to purchase original spare parts.
          Well, by the way, yes, given that they (MS) produce motors and gearboxes, then they must have an exhaustive set of documentation for their purposes for the typical modes of the blades and therefore more trust in them, in the end they copy an existing product, and not put fundamentally new blades on the Mi-8.
          In addition to what has already been said, before the events of 2014, Motor Sich worked on organizing the production of Mi-8 helicopters, not without Mil's help, of course, but nevertheless they collected a lot of developments and documentation on this topic.
          In the end, the blades for the Mi-8/24 are not the most high-tech product and their purchase from Motor Sich, for the above-listed customers, is more credible than buying used or counterfeit blades with an unknown resource.
          1. Eug
            Eug 30 May 2021 07: 19
            0
            MS has the documentation of the Konotop Aircraft Repair Plant for REPAIR Mi-8. Perhaps to replace some of the equipment and other parts. Why do they need a set of documentation for typical blade modes? For their needs (for gearboxes), their parameters are revolutions, moments, stroke, etc. ON THE OUTPUT PARTS OF THE REDUCER. The blades have nothing to do with it. As for counterfeit - earlier the blades were produced only in Ulan-Ude, I don't know for sure about the Chinese, I think that if they do, then with documents from the Mil Design Bureau. For ANY aviation unit, even not as critical as the LNV, if you have doubts and desire, you can determine the time and place of "origin". And - pay attention - about the organization that issued the certificates - not a word anywhere ... In your opinion, is it just like that? And more recently, the purchase by the State Aviation Company of Ukraine of an extreme version of the airplane flight on the Mi-8 with a bunch of letters for the presidential helicopter was spotlighted. Why Zelensky Mi8 - SMEs with their airplane flight control didn’t do it? And the question is the difference in approaches ...
  7. Puppeteer 111
    Puppeteer 111 28 May 2021 15: 43
    +4
    Well, the commentator who writes about the prohibition to shoot on his Facebook page in the section about himself writes: "actor, dancer, vocalist." Karoch, generalist.)))
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 28 May 2021 15: 55
      +2
      Quote: Puppeteer 111
      Well, the commentator who writes about the prohibition to shoot on his Facebook page in the section about himself writes: "actor, dancer, etc.

      Apparently, he separated what prevented him from dancing. laughing
  8. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 28 May 2021 16: 25
    -4
    Tankers scold their tanks, pilots their helicopters, artillerymen of their cannons (mortars) are simply afraid))) Banderaffen live merrily)))
  9. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 28 May 2021 19: 54
    0
    And you say, drink tea / drink tea ..
  10. ficus2003
    ficus2003 28 May 2021 20: 39
    +4
    Quote: Dimka75
    users of what?
    Helicopter, toilet, Facebook, just anonymus, of which there are many?
    What kind of authority do they have?

    This site loves to drive such garbage. I always go nuts from such "articles", but apparently the people hawala.
    1. Vovk
      Vovk 29 May 2021 09: 44
      +1
      Noname author means another "thoughtful" note made to order - and this is the case when technical comments on a note are more informative than the note itself. Thanks to the technical commentators.
  11. RealPilot
    RealPilot 29 May 2021 02: 09
    +4
    Quote: dauria
    (if the old TV2-117, then they will be replaced with the new TV3-117 in the current modification)

    Something just hurts you. And what about the transmission, and transfer the tail rotor to the other side? And where to stick Aishka? It's too radical to make MT out of T. Easier Teshki otkapitalit, let them fly further.
    And even with the collapse of the USSR, there was a decent new park there, MTESEC. Perhaps it was better only in the GSVG.

    Dear colleague, good evening!
    Nice to see a knowledgeable person. hi

    I would like to note that I wrote about replacing TV2-117 with TV3-117 because the old engine is no longer produced. They simply do not exist, and we have to adapt the one produced to the existing helicopter ... All the modernization boiled down to remotorization, my forecast turned out to be correct, as I found confirmation of this on the network after your comment (thanks for it!).
    You are absolutely right about the Ai-9V, but you didn’t put it. The tail rotor was not carried, as can be seen from the illustration to the article. The transmission was not touched, but the engine power was reduced ...

    Probably, the VR-8a transmission and main gearbox underwent overhaul, because changing engines without even checking and "refreshing" shafts and gearboxes (and there are 3 of them) is just nonsense and stupidity.

    Actually, a story about the "great work done" of the plant found on the Internet:

    Motor Sich JSC was no exception, that with the beginning of the long-term war in Donbass, it was striving to supply the army of the Maidan junta with helicopters - Mi-8 saws, a couple of dozen pieces under the name Mi-8MSB-V.

    They were made from Mi-8T, Mi-9, Mi-8PP, Mi-8PS by replacing the TV2-117 gas turbine engine with its own modification TV3-117. Moreover, the air start system for the engines was not installed, limiting itself to an electric start of its own design.

    In principle, there were no significant changes in the design of the helicopter - the new engines are more compact and lighter, the new electronic equipment also has smaller mass and dimensions, so that it was necessary to solve the problems of centering the machine. The gearboxes and transmission were left unchanged, but because of them it was necessary to forcibly limit the power of the engines.
  12. RealPilot
    RealPilot 29 May 2021 02: 40
    +3
    Quote: RealPilot
    Quote: dauria
    (if the old TV2-117, then they will be replaced with the new TV3-117 in the current modification)

    Something just hurts you. And what about the transmission, and transfer the tail rotor to the other side? And where to stick Aishka? It's too radical to make MT out of T. Easier Teshki otkapitalit, let them fly further.
    And even with the collapse of the USSR, there was a decent new park there, MTESEC. Perhaps it was better only in the GSVG.

    Dear colleague, good evening!
    Nice to see a knowledgeable person. hi

    I would like to note that I wrote about replacing TV2-117 with TV3-117 because the old engine is no longer produced. They simply do not exist, and we have to adapt the one produced to the existing helicopter ... All the modernization boiled down to remotorization, my forecast turned out to be correct, as I found confirmation of this on the network after your comment (thanks for it!).
    You are absolutely right about the Ai-9V, but you didn’t put it. The tail rotor was not carried, as can be seen from the illustration to the article. The transmission was not touched, but the engine power was reduced ...

    Probably, the VR-8a transmission and main gearbox underwent overhaul, because changing engines without even checking and "refreshing" shafts and gearboxes (and there are 3 of them) is just nonsense and stupidity.

    Actually, a story about the "great work done" of the plant found on the Internet:

    Motor Sich JSC was no exception, that with the beginning of the long-term war in Donbass, it was striving to supply the army of the Maidan junta with helicopters - Mi-8 saws, a couple of dozen pieces under the name Mi-8MSB-V.

    They were made from Mi-8T, Mi-9, Mi-8PP, Mi-8PS by replacing the TV2-117 gas turbine engine with its own modification TV3-117. Moreover, the air start system for the engines was not installed, limiting itself to an electric start of its own design.

    In principle, there were no significant changes in the design of the helicopter - the new engines are more compact and lighter, the new electronic equipment also has smaller mass and dimensions, so that it was necessary to solve the problems of centering the machine. The gearboxes and transmission were left unchanged, but because of them it was necessary to forcibly limit the power of the engines.

    And I would also like to add that they installed a "glass cockpit" (screens of the aerobatic complex) and GOES (gyro-stabilized optical-electronic station / system).
    1. Dmitriy444
      Dmitriy444 29 May 2021 08: 47
      +4
      The commander has the monitor of course ... I hope he at least folds up when not needed? They put TV3-117VMA-SBM1V on them, start electric, put generators on these engines, AI-9V is not needed. The flight and navigation equipment was changed. Since the transmission is the same, the power was reduced to 1700. But, the blockage of power according to the schedule was shifted due to TV3, so the helicopter became more high-altitude. In the absence of renewal of the park, the decision is good.
  13. Prisoner
    Prisoner 30 May 2021 10: 59
    0
    "The pilots scold the Mi-8MSB. The quality is lame." (from) winked If the quality is badly lame, then they will scold and stop.