The first samples of the heavy strike robot "Shturm" are being created in Russia

The Uralvagonzavod (UVZ) enterprise located in Russia is creating the first prototypes of a heavy impact Robot "Storm". This robotic complex (RTK) will be used for street fighting in large settlements.

About this news agency RIA News told sources related to the military-industrial complex.

One of the interlocutors said that the complex consists of several combat vehicles created at the base tank T-72BZ, the actions of which will be directed by a mobile command post. The strike robots themselves can be equipped with various types of combat modules. One of them includes a shortened 125 mm smoothbore cannon. Another source explained that a shorter barrel, the length of which is within the vehicle's dimensions, is convenient for close combat in dense urban areas.

He also talked about other types of modules. According to him, the combat vehicle can also be equipped with a block of rocket-propelled flamethrowers "Bumblebee", paired automatic cannons of 30 mm caliber or 220-mm thermobaric NURSs. At the same time, the combat robots themselves will have excellent anti-tank protection.

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[Zaurbek]

Instead of "Shortened" 125mm, it is more practical to use "short" 152mm (As on ISU152. But, probably, they do not want to change AZ.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Zaurbek

Instead of "Shortened" 125mm, it is more practical to use "short" 152mm (As on ISU152. But, probably, they do not want to change AZ.

Is it really a big difference? Moreover, the fortified areas "a la Maginot" are not already being built, much less being stormed by armor.
Here I am tormented by the thought, if the sawn-off shotgun of the three-line was nicknamed "the death of the chairman", then how will the 125 mm sawed-off be cut ?!

[yehat2]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

then how will the 125 mm sawed-off be cut ?!

the end of the spiteful critic

[Zaurbek]

Maginot is not worth it, but the amount of reinforced concrete in modern buildings is not Berlin 1945 ...

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Zaurbek

Maginot is not worth it, but the amount of reinforced concrete in modern buildings is not Berlin 1945 ...

The thicknesses are incomparable, but the strength is quite.

[garri-lin]

The difference is great. And you are wrong about Maginot. Streets poured into meter-high concrete are still encountered in cities today. With burrows, cellars and other delights of fortification. A sledge hammer of 152 mm is sometimes needed for direct fire. Another thing is that 125 mm can be extended to the maximum and equipped with a leading cumulative with a funnel for concrete. At the "pistol" distances will be no less effective.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: garri-lin

Streets poured into meter-high concrete are still encountered in cities today. With burrows, cellars and other delights of fortification.

What is a meter of concrete against "scrap" with a penetration rate of 70 cm of steel? And what are the delights of fortification without embrasures or any other devices of a similar purpose, which 125 mm would not cope with, but with something like a manhole and 152 mm they will not help.
The experience of Syria and Palestine shows that the tank has enough power, it crazy situational awareness is lacking.

Quote: garri-lin

A sledge hammer of 152 mm is sometimes needed for direct fire.

Maybe, only the robot should have AZ in combination with powerful armor, and this is only available for tanks with their 125 mm.

[garri-lin]

Experience just shows that sometimes there are not enough tanks and they pull 152mm for direct fire with their no armor.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: garri-lin

Experience just shows that sometimes there are not enough tanks and they pull 152mm for direct fire with their no armor.

What kind of experience are we talking about ?! Neither in Chechnya, nor in Palestine, no one pulled SPGs into the city, in Syria only out of despair, when the tanks were already running out.

[garri-lin]

In Chechnya, Points were used without much bother. I don’t know about Palestine. But there are other conflicts besides Syria, where 152 mm were fired for direct fire.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: garri-lin

In Chechnya, Points were used without much bother.

The point is an operational-tactical missile system, was it kicked out during the storming of city buildings for firing at point-blank range ?!

Quote: garri-lin

But there are other conflicts besides Syria, where 152 mm were fired for direct fire.

Examples please.

[garri-lin]

The problem houses were simply added to the dot.
There are a lot of examples on YouTube too.

[Zaurbek]

Scrap is useless against buildings. We need a HE shell in a cast iron case

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Zaurbek

Scrap is useless against buildings. We need a HE shell in a cast iron case

Which is in the BC 125 mm.

[Zaurbek]

Yes ... but rifled is better, and 152mm is even better

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Zaurbek

Yes ... but rifled is better, and 152mm is even better

But there is no AZ for them.

[Zaurbek]

So I started with this

[Zaurbek]

Twice ... the shell is heavier

[-Dmitry-]

Instead of "Shortened" 125mm, it is more practical to use "short" 152mm (As on ISU152. But, probably, they do not want to change AZ.

It's very simple - the length of the barrel is not important against infantry. And for an assault robot, work on armored targets is very secondary.

[Cympak]

Not only should the AZ change, it is also necessary to organize the release of new shells and charges for them.

[Sancho_SP]

And why fence a garden if you can screw the control automation to a completely regular tank, BMPT and Buratina?

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Sancho_SP

is it possible to screw the control automatics to a completely regular tank, BMPT and Pinocchio?

No you can not. A complete overhaul of the machine is required.

[Sancho_SP]

What for? The controls already work mainly through amplifiers, the size of the actuator is less than the size of the lever, steering wheel or button. Fits in the cockpit.

As for the brains and sensors, this is a superstructure.

[Smirnov Mikhail]

You can't .. Sponsors and investors will start to suspect something ..

[APASUS]

For me, it is so necessary to develop a data transmission system, invest in software. Technique is enough.

[Doccor18]

Quote: APASUS

For me, it is necessary to develop a data transmission system, invest in software.

It is more difficult, more expensive and time consuming. And to design several new prototypes "ala frame / terminator" - this can be demonstrated to everyone, it will go ...

[APASUS]

Quote: Doccor18

, it will go ...

Will not go. Then they are taken to Syria and silence ....................... how many robotic systems entered service with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation

[OgnennyiKotik]

It looks like a live project. On the basis of serial products, remotely controlled, understandable tasks, without exorbitant innovations.

[lucul]

One of them includes a shortened 125 mm smoothbore cannon.

Quite reasonable - a 125mm land mine is not bad in the city. In general, a well thought-out project.

[A. Privalov]

This robotic complex (RTK) will be used for street battles in large settlements.

It will be very difficult to manage such a device in the conditions of dense urban development and it is practically impossible to cover them. Therefore, if it really comes to street fighting, they are doomed. My opinion is personal. Apparently the customer and the developers have a different opinion from mine.

[lucul]

Therefore, if it really comes to street fighting, they are doomed.

Pffff ...
They can be launched after the infantry, and not in front.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: lucul

They can be launched after the infantry, and not in front.

A cart ahead of a horse? A wise decision.

[lucul]

A cart ahead of a horse? A wise decision.

Pfff.
And there are no other options yet))))

[garri-lin]

The main purpose of such a technique is reconnaissance in force in a dangerous direction. Under minimal cover, it will crawl, causing fire on itself, identifying enemy points and striking the most important ones. Separated from the infantry.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: garri-lin

Separated from the infantry.

The worstwhat can happen to any "tank-like" in the urban environment is separation from the infantry.

[garri-lin]

I agree. But how will the infantry feel going into battle next to unmanned armor? I don't think it's comfortable. The operator will lack the most important motivator: fear for his life. So this technique will not mix the tank in battle, but complement it. In the most dangerous directions.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: garri-lin

I agree. But how will the infantry feel going into battle next to unmanned armor? I don't think it's comfortable. The operator will lack the most important motivator: fear for his life. So this technique will not mix the tank in battle, but complement it. In the most dangerous directions.

This was true in 1915. Then suddenly let the infantry go next to the tanks, the trousers would not have been washed. Today is a different time. Back in 1972, I attended the "Tank infantry run-in" class.
If such a device is used by the troops, the infantrymen will be trained in a special way in combat interaction with robotic equipment.

[garri-lin]

The fact that they will teach is understandable. But what will be the moral concoction of the infantry going into battle next to a soulless piece of iron.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: garri-lin

The fact that they will teach is understandable. But what will be the moral concoction of the infantry going into battle next to a soulless piece of iron.

The main thing is to take care of their physical condition. And everything will be all right with the moral.
During the run-in lessons, I sat in a concrete well 65 cm deep and a tank drove over me, making a U-turn on the spot and driving on. I had to follow him, throw a training blank in the form of a grenade. The first two or three times, it was scary, although I knew for sure that the reinforced concrete structure is one hundred percent reliable. After a couple of days, I didn't care.

[garri-lin]

We lay on the ground without wells. And as luck would have it, the tank was driven by the most no-brainer mechanic driver. True, there was no reversal. The tank just drove by.

[Cympak]

The tactics of battles in the city implies that the tanks follow the assault infantry, supporting them with fire and destroying the firing points identified by the infantrymen. At the same time, the infantry is engaged in cleaning out buildings, identifying places of concentration of the enemy and equipped defense points. Only if necessary, the tank moves forward and covers the retreat / movement of the infantry, makes passages in the barricades.

[OgnennyiKotik]

A question of the distance to the control car. It is logical to make it on the basis of BMO-T in order to work in close proximity to remotely controlled ones. Then the platoon can operate in the city.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

to work in close proximity to remote controlled.

Any approach of the manager to the controlled exponentially increases the vulnerability of the venture, nullifying the results of the expected effect.

[OgnennyiKotik]

In any case, it is a risk reduction. It is at the forefront of an unmanned vehicle. Of course, if the control center is in the immediate vicinity of the controlled tanks, then it is in danger. But these risks are less, especially with regard to anti-tank weapons and launchers based on the tank will give the necessary protection, it can be done even higher than that of the MBT.
There is no other way to do it technically yet, satellite communication has many limitations. Especially in Russia.

[Incvizitor]

Then take a car with good protection on the basis of any armored vehicles based on armata such as boomerang or kurganets, so that the crew is covered and manage just what kind of old stuff.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Incvizitor

armata like boomerang or kurgan,

The T-72 / BMO is superior to all this equipment in terms of booking. Moreover, everything that is written by the military-industrial complex is not capable of mass production. They exist for parades.

[Niko]

Quote: A. Privalov

This robotic complex (RTK) will be used for street battles in large settlements.

It will be very difficult to manage such a device in the conditions of dense urban development and it is practically impossible to cover them. Therefore, if it really comes to street fighting, they are doomed. My opinion is personal. Apparently the customer and the developers have a different opinion from mine.

The customer and the developer think about the money that can be mastered, they do not give more for the robot Fedya

[hagen]

Quote: A. Privalov

It will be very difficult to manage such a device in the conditions of dense urban development and it is practically impossible to cover them.

They did not write about this, but I am sure that the situation in the area of ​​application of the complex can be illuminated with the use of quadrocopters. If there are vehicles with automatic cannons in the complex with vert. aiming degrees up to 75-80, I think, it is possible to hide from the upper hemisphere. I see no reason for pessimism. The whole question will arise in the training and coherence of the management team. My opinion.

[Incvizitor]

In the infantry unit, a couple of such operators with tanks and let them use them for their support at their discretion.

[sergo1914]

... based on the T-72BZ tank

What kind of tank ?!
Walkers only!

[Niko]

You would have to really invest money in walkers (at least in a model), and then I collected scrap metal, made cartoons, and for 2-3 years you can eat well and buy summer cottages on the Cote d'Azur

[sergo1914]

Quote: Niko

You would have to really invest money in walkers (at least in a model), and then I collected scrap metal, made cartoons, and for 2-3 years you can eat well and buy summer cottages on the Cote d'Azur

Well, that's the same. Everything is described. The tower from "Tunguska" ... True, it is manned, but you can make a machine gun. In the second part it is described (Chinese walkers)

[Ros 56]

This robotic complex (RTK) will be used for street battles in large settlements.

Please voice the list of these cities.

[sergo1914]

Quote: Ros 56

This robotic complex (RTK) will be used for street battles in large settlements.

Please voice the list of these cities.

Washington, New York, Los Angeles, Boston, Chicago, San Francisco ...

[Ros 56]

Then I FOR all limbs.

[Boris55]

Quote: Ros 56

Please voice the list of these cities.

They are all in Syria. Tested and refined in practice.

[rocket757]

The first samples of the heavy strike robot "Shturm" are being created in Russia

... Also an option. The issue of effective management, serious armament and security of the escorting units ...
In short, you need to see it, try it !!!

[Klingon]

I do not agree with the name "robot" and "robotic complex" in my understanding, a robot is a fully autonomous apparatus possessing, for example, machine vision and various other sensors (lidars, ultrasound and laser scanners, etc.), at least able to navigate in an unfamiliar situation and make decisions on how to act, but here we see just another radio-controlled combat unit. Is my Mavik a robot? definitely not, although it has optical sensors and has an RTH function

[Incvizitor]

Isn't it cheaper to simply convert a few old t 72s under control from this point without seriously sawing the tower?

[Smirnov Mikhail]

Too cheap, people need to make money, not save ..

[Nikolaevich I]

Gospidya! What is it? Again wishful thinking? After all, this "project" "Storm" has been known ("created") since 2015! And sho? Have the first prototypes already been created? First tests carried out? Ali is not there? I can not hear!

When creating such a robotic complex (RTK), it is useful to have a universal combat platform, the functionality of which would change as the combat modules are replaced! Of all that you can imagine, the Armata platform is the best! Moreover, a lot has already been prepared there for remote control of weapons! However, the choice was settled on the "outdated" T-72! And this is despite the fact that on the T-72 for remote control everything must be done from scratch! (True, for several years now it has been infa that Russia is trying to make some kind of unmanned T-72 ... perhaps this infa was associated with the Shturm project ...) It seems that all this "absurdity" is explained by the "simple" the reasons ...: the "terrible" high cost of "Armata" and the fate of "Armata" has not yet been fully clarified! And the T-72 in the country is a fig and you can experiment relatively inexpensively! As a certain "hero" of the famous film said: "You need to train better on cats!" ... And then the experience gained on the T-72 can be applied on other platforms ... because "you can't drink the experience"!

[Aleksandr97]

Fully autonomous combat robots are not justified at the moment - an excessively dangerous gamble. It is one thing for a Tesla car that flew into a ditch or did not see a cyclist, a completely different combat systems in the "on their own mind" mode. Again, it is better to observe the Three Laws of Robotics A. Azimov than to embody the terminator in reality.

[Smirnov Mikhail]

Robot (Czech. Robot, from robota - "forced labor") - an automatic device designed to carry out various types of mechanical operations, which operates according to a predetermined program.

A robot usually receives information about the state of the surrounding space by means of sensors (technical analogs of the senses of living organisms). The robot can independently carry out production and other operations, partially or completely replacing human labor.

Does "Assault" fit the definition of a robot? Not. There is no pre-laid down algorithm, no sensors (sense organs), and he is not on friendly terms with production. Here a person fits the definition of a robot much more.

[Konnick]

Dead-end path of development of armored vehicles. All weapons are outside of armor protection, and urban combat is close range, how long will the weapons and optics withstand shelling from simple automatic weapons. All this must be hidden under armor and minimized optics, but there are still no such dimensions of sensor devices, look at the birdhouse at the top, like a Yandex mobile that shoots panoramas for maps. And it would be better to make a scout robot, sometimes information is more important than shooting. Now UralVagonZavod already has a debt of 100 billion rubles. And they are trying to sell all these toys in the hope of getting orders, but more or less experienced and competent personnel scatter due to low salaries.

The number of employees of the company at the end of 2020 decreased by 326 employees and amounted to 29 people, recorded in the document. Despite this, the arithmetic average salary in 748 compared to 2020 in JSCs still decreased - by 2019%.

Read more at RBC:
https://www.rbc.ru/business/28/05/2021/60ae5dc99a7947ef4d363f14

And why should a robot have such dimensions, especially in a city and a weight like a real tank. It will stand up somewhere and cover everything with its dimensions. Just to bungle something.

[Gunther]

for military operations in the city, in my opinion, a slightly modified Spot robot from Boston Dynamics (now the Japanese SoftBank) is best suited - add a second manipulator for firing in Macedonian and a bazooka (grenade launcher, optional TDA) in the stern - for guiding a restless fire when retreating.
the robot will be able to fire from around the corner with impunity - by exposing a manipulator equipped with a thermal imager from a PC, climb a vertical wall and much more ...

[Gunther]

Quote: Intruder

What are you, but we are all from Adam and Eve, which means ...!?

which means you need to carefully read the verse
Chapter 27 of the book of Genesis - the 1th day of Creation.
so INTO from the dust (dirt) - this is the 8th day of Creation)))))))

[Klingon]

Quote: Smirnov Mikhail

These are not yet full-fledged robots. There are no sensors (senses). The dog does not "see" or "understand" ..

By the way, BD's dog sees and knows how to build a route of movement and also draws up its own maps for optimal movement

[riwas]

It is clear that tanks in the city are vulnerable and the robot avoids casualties. But a completely autonomous tank is still not worth doing. AI works for a short time, and telecontrol is unreliable. One person, but protected to the maximum. The Israeli Carmel has a crew of two.
We also need a 57-mm cannon for firing at windows, incl. on the upper floors and a coaxial 12,7 mm (mechanical twin) machine gun in the upper controlled module. On the sides of the tower there are heavy NURs for demolishing buildings. Well, and a powerful jamming system, including a laser paired with a 12,7 mm machine gun.

[Synoid]

On the one hand, it is correct that there is nothing to lose in these urban developments.
On the other hand, if we hypothetically take Europe, there is nothing to do in cities at all, equal to 0.