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The first samples of the heavy strike robot "Shturm" are being created in Russia

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At the Uralvagonzavod (UVZ) enterprise located in Russia, the first prototypes of the Shturm heavy percussion robot are being created. This robotic complex (RTK) will be used for street fighting in large settlements.


About this news agency RIA News told sources related to the military-industrial complex.

One of the interlocutors said that the complex consists of several combat vehicles created at the base tank T-72BZ, the actions of which will be directed by a mobile command post. The strike robots themselves can be equipped with various types of combat modules. One of them includes a shortened 125 mm smoothbore cannon. Another source explained that a shorter barrel, the length of which is within the vehicle's dimensions, is convenient for close combat in dense urban areas.

He also talked about other types of modules. According to him, the combat vehicle can also be equipped with a block of rocket-propelled flamethrowers "Bumblebee", paired automatic cannons of 30 mm caliber or 220-mm thermobaric NURSs. At the same time, the combat robots themselves will have excellent anti-tank protection.

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  1. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 28 May 2021 09: 19
    +2
    Instead of "Shortened" 125mm, it is more practical to use "short" 152mm (As on ISU152. But, probably, they do not want to change AZ.
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 28 May 2021 09: 45
      +10
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Instead of "Shortened" 125mm, it is more practical to use "short" 152mm (As on ISU152. But, probably, they do not want to change AZ.
      Is it really a big difference? Moreover, the fortified areas "a la Maginot" are not already being built, much less being stormed by armor.
      Here I am tormented by the thought, if the sawn-off shotgun of the three-line was nicknamed "the death of the chairman", then how will the 125 mm sawed-off be cut ?! laughing
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 28 May 2021 09: 47
        +2
        if the sawn-off shotgun of the three-line was nicknamed "the death of the chairman," how will the 125 mm sawed-off be cut ?! laughing
        "death of an oligarch" !!! lol
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 28 May 2021 09: 48
          +3
          Quote: Intruder
          "death of an oligarch" !!!

          Well, yes, the scale is more abrupt. laughing
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 28 May 2021 09: 53
            +1
            Well, yes, the scale is more abrupt. laughing
            and the walls are thicker than in the presidential courtyard / house, and there are security guards, always available ... yes
        2. lucul
          lucul 28 May 2021 11: 03
          +3
          "death of an oligarch" !!!

          Are you an anti-Semite? We have oligarchs all of the same nationality)))
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 28 May 2021 11: 06
            0
            Are you an anti-Semite? We have oligarchs all of the same nationality)))
            What are you, but we are all from Adam and Eve, which means ...!? hi
            1. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 28 May 2021 16: 02
              +4
              Quote: Intruder
              however, we are all from Adam and Eve, which means ...!?

              We are not alone. yes Ouspensky wrote "Cheburashka" in 1966. It is known that Cheburashka was found in a box with oranges, and until 1967, only Israel supplied oranges to the USSR ...
              And with this, too, you have to somehow live. wassat
              1. Intruder
                Intruder 28 May 2021 18: 00
                +1
                And with this, you also have to somehow live
                Well, yes, and with all the variety of species in wildlife, on this planet ... drinks
          2. Alex_Rarog
            Alex_Rarog 30 May 2021 19: 50
            0
            Yes) Abramovich ... Rabinovich ... and the rest ... yyyyy
        3. lis-ik
          lis-ik 28 May 2021 12: 01
          +4
          Quote: Intruder
          if the sawn-off shotgun of the three-line was nicknamed "the death of the chairman," how will the 125 mm sawed-off be cut ?! laughing
          "death of an oligarch" !!! lol

          Unfortunately, we will not wait, they are included in the "Red Book" of the Russian Federation and are protected by law.
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 28 May 2021 13: 02
            +3
            Unfortunately, we will not wait, they are included in the "Red Book" of the Russian Federation and are protected by law.
            Exactly !!! I watch how the minuses are thrown by the defenders ... tongue , Corrected you now!
            1. lis-ik
              lis-ik 28 May 2021 13: 10
              +1
              Quote: Intruder
              Unfortunately, we will not wait, they are included in the "Red Book" of the Russian Federation and are protected by law.
              Exactly !!! I watch how the minuses are thrown by the defenders ... tongue , Corrected you now!

              These are the same ones who rejoice that the Russian Federation is getting more and more into the raw material needle, that the Russian GDP has already overtaken Romania, and we are in the middle peasants of Africa, according to them, we are growing and expanding, but it is not clear what.
              1. Intruder
                Intruder 28 May 2021 13: 12
                +2
                according to them, it is growing and expanding in our country, but it is not clear what.
                It is clear, self-esteem spurred on by propaganda, or like the Russian classics: "..but strange love .." ???, well, it will pass, in years * tsat, and then ... eternal: "who is to blame and what to do !?" !
                1. CYM
                  CYM 28 May 2021 14: 19
                  0
                  Quote: Intruder
                  Well, it will pass, in years * tsat, and then ... the eternal: "who is to blame and what to do !?"!

                  And also crocodile tears for "Russia which we (they) lost." crying
                  1. Intruder
                    Intruder 28 May 2021 18: 09
                    +1
                    And also crocodile tears for "Russia which we (they) lost"
                    But we acquired a new country of the Future, only a question,



                    what is this future !?
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 28 May 2021 17: 48
                +1
                Data in the studio where Russian exports of raw materials are growing in relation to non-raw materials.
      2. yehat2
        yehat2 28 May 2021 09: 53
        +3
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        then how will the 125 mm sawed-off be cut ?!

        the end of the spiteful critic
      3. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 28 May 2021 10: 28
        0
        Maginot is not worth it, but the amount of reinforced concrete in modern buildings is not Berlin 1945 ...
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 28 May 2021 10: 40
          +1
          Quote: Zaurbek
          Maginot is not worth it, but the amount of reinforced concrete in modern buildings is not Berlin 1945 ...

          The thicknesses are incomparable, but the strength is quite.
      4. garri-lin
        garri-lin 28 May 2021 10: 53
        +3
        The difference is great. And you are wrong about Maginot. Streets poured into meter-high concrete are still encountered in cities today. With burrows, cellars and other delights of fortification. A sledge hammer of 152 mm is sometimes needed for direct fire. Another thing is that 125 mm can be extended to the maximum and equipped with a leading cumulative with a funnel for concrete. At the "pistol" distances will be no less effective.
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 28 May 2021 11: 04
          +1
          Quote: garri-lin
          Streets poured into meter-high concrete are still encountered in cities today. With burrows, cellars and other delights of fortification.
          What is a meter of concrete against "scrap" with a penetration rate of 70 cm of steel? And what are the delights of fortification without embrasures or any other devices of a similar purpose, which 125 mm would not cope with, but with something like a manhole and 152 mm they will not help.
          The experience of Syria and Palestine shows that the tank has enough power, it crazy situational awareness is lacking.
          Quote: garri-lin
          A sledge hammer of 152 mm is sometimes needed for direct fire.
          Maybe, only the robot should have AZ in combination with powerful armor, and this is only available for tanks with their 125 mm.
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 28 May 2021 11: 26
            +1
            Experience just shows that sometimes there are not enough tanks and they pull 152mm for direct fire with their no armor.
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 28 May 2021 11: 39
              +1
              Quote: garri-lin
              Experience just shows that sometimes there are not enough tanks and they pull 152mm for direct fire with their no armor.

              What kind of experience are we talking about ?! Neither in Chechnya, nor in Palestine, no one pulled SPGs into the city, in Syria only out of despair, when the tanks were already running out.
              1. garri-lin
                garri-lin 28 May 2021 11: 48
                +1
                In Chechnya, Points were used without much bother. I don’t know about Palestine. But there are other conflicts besides Syria, where 152 mm were fired for direct fire.
                1. Vladimir_2U
                  Vladimir_2U 28 May 2021 11: 54
                  0
                  Quote: garri-lin
                  In Chechnya, Points were used without much bother.
                  The point is an operational-tactical missile system, was it kicked out during the storming of city buildings for firing at point-blank range ?!

                  Quote: garri-lin
                  But there are other conflicts besides Syria, where 152 mm were fired for direct fire.
                  Examples please.
                  1. garri-lin
                    garri-lin 28 May 2021 12: 03
                    +1
                    The problem houses were simply added to the dot.
                    There are a lot of examples on YouTube too.
                  2. Intruder
                    Intruder 28 May 2021 13: 29
                    +1
                    The point is an operational-tactical missile system, was it kicked out during the storming of city buildings for firing at point-blank range ?!
                    And kirdyk: to the bad guys and boys, in those districts of the city, plus then the collateral damage to pay and send humanitarian aid ...
                2. Intruder
                  Intruder 28 May 2021 13: 33
                  +1
                  But there are other conflicts besides Syria, where 152 mm were fired for direct fire.
                  And that, so many ... quite, similar ones coped in the jungles of Vietnam:

                  She, the aiming drive should be updated, the optics should be equipped with a modern one with a thermal imager, a new MSA, with remote detonation of ammunition, also ... and armor to hang, at least one or two layers of remote sensing, and forward the high-rise buildings and cut the park zones ... wink
                  1. garri-lin
                    garri-lin 28 May 2021 13: 37
                    +1
                    The high-rise building will melt until it is demolished. And so in the troops will soon be Derivation. Almost the same as what you described.
                    1. Intruder
                      Intruder 28 May 2021 14: 02
                      0
                      The high-rise building will melt until the trunks are demolished.
                      this is already a matter of materials science and SOPROMAT (a), since its production, technologies have gone a little ahead .., new alloys and concepts have appeared, so it may not melt a typical high-rise building after the demolition!
                      "Derivation" 2C38, maybe we are talking about different complexes now !? One name, something reminds:
                      in military affairs - the deviation of the flight path of a bullet or artillery projectile (this only applies to rifled weapons or special ammunition for smooth-bore weapons) under the influence of rotation given by the rifling of the barrel, inclined nozzles or inclined stabilizers of the ammunition itself, that is, due to the gyroscopic effect and the Magnus effect. The phenomenon of derivation during the movement of elongated projectiles was first described in the works of the Russian military engineer General N.V. Maievsky.
                      1. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 28 May 2021 15: 49
                        +1
                        It is about the 57 mm automatic cannon with bells and whistles I'm talking about. And nothing about air defense.
                      2. Intruder
                        Intruder 28 May 2021 17: 59
                        0
                        It is about the 57 mm automatic cannon with bells and whistles I'm talking about
                        Well, if so, then it obviously won't melt .. wink And you can put a spark like Soviet engineers and there are no fundamental restrictions here !?
                      3. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 28 May 2021 18: 08
                        +1
                        The queue is long. So that, as you put it, high-rise buildings will need to be demolished a lot of shells. There are two main questions. Will it fit so much into the BC and will the barrels withstand such a line. A good suitcase is sometimes preferable.
                      4. Intruder
                        Intruder 28 May 2021 18: 51
                        0
                        The queue is long.
                        leveled, with a double-barreled system and the intensity of the total fire there too ...
                        Will the BC fit so much and will the barrels withstand such a line?
                        restriction of a short queue, for each barrel, all the same, after all, there is a spark, you can play with a duration for each barrel !?
                        A good suitcase is sometimes preferable.
                        For an urban setting to smash a quarter? Then, just hit the MLRS with a gun and you don't need to drive the equipment to the quarters, plus invent new versions in 125 mm. caliber, so immediately equal in area !!!
                      5. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 28 May 2021 20: 02
                        0
                        Expensive in terms of area. And then it is difficult to figure out. The ammo is not dimensionless and in 57 mm caliber there may not be enough ammunition to demolish a high-rise building, as you put it.
                      6. Intruder
                        Intruder 28 May 2021 21: 23
                        0
                        Expensive in terms of area. And then it is difficult to figure out.
                        It was sarcasm! And you don't need to demolish the whole house ... lol , but it is quite convenient to suppress the detected firing points on floors or roofs with a smaller caliber than to throw large ones (destruction of the nearest structural elements is more guaranteed yes ) and BK, there is clearly more than in the 125 mm caliber.!? winked
                      7. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 28 May 2021 21: 54
                        +1
                        Sometimes extremely effective measures are required. Not a surgeon's scalpel, but a guillotin.
                      8. Intruder
                        Intruder 28 May 2021 21: 57
                        0
                        Not a surgeon's scalpel, but a guillotine.
                        I do not argue, sometimes the OTP-hammer, also with a nuclear forge ... wink
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 28 May 2021 15: 12
    0
    Scrap is useless against buildings. We need a HE shell in a cast iron case
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 28 May 2021 15: 22
      -1
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Scrap is useless against buildings. We need a HE shell in a cast iron case

      Which is in the BC 125 mm.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 28 May 2021 16: 07
        +1
        Yes ... but rifled is better, and 152mm is even better
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 28 May 2021 18: 56
          0
          Quote: Zaurbek
          Yes ... but rifled is better, and 152mm is even better

          But there is no AZ for them.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 28 May 2021 20: 42
            0
            So I started with this
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 28 May 2021 20: 43
    0
    Twice ... the shell is heavier
  • -Dmitry-
    -Dmitry- 28 May 2021 17: 20
    0
    Instead of "Shortened" 125mm, it is more practical to use "short" 152mm (As on ISU152. But, probably, they do not want to change AZ.

    It's very simple - the length of the barrel is not important against infantry. And for an assault robot, work on armored targets is very secondary.
  • Cympak
    Cympak 28 May 2021 18: 00
    0
    Not only should the AZ change, it is also necessary to organize the release of new shells and charges for them.
  • Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 28 May 2021 09: 21
    +1
    And why fence a garden if you can screw the control automation to a completely regular tank, BMPT and Buratina?
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 28 May 2021 09: 26
      -5
      Quote: Sancho_SP
      is it possible to screw the control automatics to a completely regular tank, BMPT and Pinocchio?

      No you can not. A complete overhaul of the machine is required.
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 28 May 2021 12: 11
        0
        What for? The controls already work mainly through amplifiers, the size of the actuator is less than the size of the lever, steering wheel or button. Fits in the cockpit.

        As for the brains and sensors, this is a superstructure.
    2. Smirnov Mikhail
      Smirnov Mikhail 28 May 2021 14: 24
      0
      You can't .. Sponsors and investors will start to suspect something ..
  • APASUS
    APASUS 28 May 2021 09: 26
    +1
    For me, it is so necessary to develop a data transmission system, invest in software. Technique is enough.
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 28 May 2021 09: 57
      -1
      Quote: APASUS
      For me, it is necessary to develop a data transmission system, invest in software.

      It is more difficult, more expensive and time consuming. And to design several new prototypes "ala frame / terminator" - this can be demonstrated to everyone, it will go ...
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 28 May 2021 11: 01
        0
        Quote: Doccor18
        , it will go ...

        Will not go. Then they are taken to Syria and silence ....................... how many robotic systems entered service with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation
  • OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 28 May 2021 09: 28
    -2
    It looks like a live project. On the basis of serial products, remotely controlled, understandable tasks, without exorbitant innovations.
  • lucul
    lucul 28 May 2021 09: 31
    +4
    One of them includes a shortened 125 mm smoothbore cannon.

    Quite reasonable - a 125mm land mine is not bad in the city. In general, a well thought-out project.
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 28 May 2021 09: 31
    -4
    This robotic complex (RTK) will be used for street battles in large settlements.

    It will be very difficult to manage such a device in the conditions of dense urban development and it is practically impossible to cover them. Therefore, if it really comes to street fighting, they are doomed. My opinion is personal. Apparently the customer and the developers have a different opinion from mine.hi
    1. lucul
      lucul 28 May 2021 09: 36
      -6
      Therefore, if it really comes to street fighting, they are doomed.

      Pffff ...
      They can be launched after the infantry, and not in front.
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 28 May 2021 09: 37
        +1
        Quote: lucul
        They can be launched after the infantry, and not in front.

        A cart ahead of a horse? A wise decision.
        1. lucul
          lucul 28 May 2021 10: 42
          -2
          A cart ahead of a horse? A wise decision.

          Pfff.
          And there are no other options yet))))
        2. garri-lin
          garri-lin 28 May 2021 11: 02
          +1
          The main purpose of such a technique is reconnaissance in force in a dangerous direction. Under minimal cover, it will crawl, causing fire on itself, identifying enemy points and striking the most important ones. Separated from the infantry.
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 28 May 2021 11: 15
            -1
            Quote: garri-lin
            Separated from the infantry.

            The worstwhat can happen to any "tank-like" in the urban environment is separation from the infantry.
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 28 May 2021 11: 30
              +1
              I agree. But how will the infantry feel going into battle next to unmanned armor? I don't think it's comfortable. The operator will lack the most important motivator: fear for his life. So this technique will not mix the tank in battle, but complement it. In the most dangerous directions.
              1. A. Privalov
                A. Privalov 28 May 2021 12: 20
                -1
                Quote: garri-lin
                I agree. But how will the infantry feel going into battle next to unmanned armor? I don't think it's comfortable. The operator will lack the most important motivator: fear for his life. So this technique will not mix the tank in battle, but complement it. In the most dangerous directions.

                This was true in 1915. Then suddenly let the infantry go next to the tanks, the trousers would not have been washed. Today is a different time. Back in 1972, I attended the "Tank infantry run-in" class.
                If such a device is used by the troops, the infantrymen will be trained in a special way in combat interaction with robotic equipment.
                1. garri-lin
                  garri-lin 28 May 2021 12: 25
                  0
                  The fact that they will teach is understandable. But what will be the moral concoction of the infantry going into battle next to a soulless piece of iron.
                  1. A. Privalov
                    A. Privalov 28 May 2021 12: 32
                    0
                    Quote: garri-lin
                    The fact that they will teach is understandable. But what will be the moral concoction of the infantry going into battle next to a soulless piece of iron.

                    The main thing is to take care of their physical condition. And everything will be all right with the moral.
                    During the run-in lessons, I sat in a concrete well 65 cm deep and a tank drove over me, making a U-turn on the spot and driving on. I had to follow him, throw a training blank in the form of a grenade. The first two or three times, it was scary, although I knew for sure that the reinforced concrete structure is one hundred percent reliable. After a couple of days, I didn't care.
                    1. garri-lin
                      garri-lin 28 May 2021 13: 34
                      +1
                      We lay on the ground without wells. And as luck would have it, the tank was driven by the most no-brainer mechanic driver. True, there was no reversal. The tank just drove by.
        3. Cympak
          Cympak 28 May 2021 18: 06
          0
          The tactics of battles in the city implies that the tanks follow the assault infantry, supporting them with fire and destroying the firing points identified by the infantrymen. At the same time, the infantry is engaged in cleaning out buildings, identifying places of concentration of the enemy and equipped defense points. Only if necessary, the tank moves forward and covers the retreat / movement of the infantry, makes passages in the barricades.
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 28 May 2021 09: 39
      0
      A question of the distance to the control car. It is logical to make it on the basis of BMO-T in order to work in close proximity to remotely controlled ones. Then the platoon can operate in the city.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 28 May 2021 09: 50
        -3
        to work in close proximity to remotely controlled
        and use the satellite to drive telemetry, or some very brave or clever mercenary will come out and "bang" on the control car, and everyone sailed right in the middle of the street in the urban area, where from every window and basement, a "surprise" can arrive !?
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 28 May 2021 10: 04
          -4
          Quote: Intruder
          and use the satellite to drive telemetry

          Hang a satellite over the city? Original, sir! wassat
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 28 May 2021 10: 08
            -2
            Hang a satellite over the city? Original-with
            Yeah, that's exactly how everyone and everyone is hung over cities ...!? wink Now I have over my head 8 pieces of GPS (s) -weigh and dozens of Starlinka, also Iridium (s) all sorts of other mass of orbital objects !!! lol
            1. A. Privalov
              A. Privalov 28 May 2021 10: 11
              -2
              Quote: Intruder
              Hang a satellite over the city? Original-with
              Yeah, that's exactly how everyone and everyone is hung over cities ...!? wink Now I have over my head 8 pieces of GPS (s) -weigh and dozens of Starlinka, also Iridium (s) all sorts of other mass of orbital objects !!! lol

              And how, let me ask you, is it possible to drive telemetry through them in favor of one of the belligerents?
              1. Intruder
                Intruder 28 May 2021 10: 31
                -2
                And how, let me ask you, is it possible to drive telemetry through them in favor of one of the belligerents?
                Duc, there are different satellite segments, I just wrote about what you indicated, as:
                Hang a satellite over the city?
                yes
                and so, for a long time, there is:
                Communication is organized in the EHF band with the help of the Milstar system in operation, as well as sets of equipment installed as an additional payload on spacecraft of the FLTSAT and UFO types of the narrowband communication system and on polar augmentation satellites. To replace the Milstar system, which has been operating for about 20 years, replaced by military satellite communication systems of the new generation AEHF, the beginning of operational use in 2015.
                On board the satellites of the "Milstar-1" type for communication in the EHF range, only 150-channel equipment of low-speed communication LDR (Low Date Rate, up to 2,4 kbps) was installed, and on satellites of the second generation - an additional 32-channel equipment of medium-speed communication MDR (Medium Data Rate, up to 1,5 Mbit / s). A set of UHF-band communication equipment provides interface with the US Air Force satellite communications system "Afsatcom" (AFSATCOM - Air Force SATellite COMmunication system). As a result, four less expensive and more advanced spacecraft of the second generation of the Milstar-2 type were created. The launch of the first of them in 1999 was unsuccessful due to the failure of the launch vehicle. The second and subsequent vehicles were successfully launched into design orbits in 2001, 2002 and 2003.
                The first three devices were launched in 2010, 2012 and 2013, several years behind the planned schedule. The apogee propulsion system failed at the entrance to the AEHF-1 spacecraft in orbit, but it was nevertheless managed to be placed in a given position with the help of auxiliary engines, which took more than a year. The first and second satellites are currently in trial operation, and the third is undergoing orbital tests. The AEHF satellite was developed by the Lockheed-Martin Corporation based on the A2100 platform. The spacecraft mass at launch is about 6 tons. The satellite communication equipment consists of LDR and MDR equipment, similar to those installed on the Milstar spacecraft, and XDR (extreme Data Rate, up to 8 Mbit / s) high-speed data transmission equipment, which was developed in the interests of subscribers quickly -tactical link. According to the developers, the capabilities of one such device (in terms of throughput and performance) will provide uninterrupted communication for up to 6 thousand subscribers. The antenna system of the AEHF spacecraft forms, within the terrestrial coverage area, areas with a diameter of up to 2000 km with different signal levels for different categories of users, including areas with a diameter of about 600 km with a high level of noise immunity (zeroing the antenna pattern in the direction of interference) for subscribers in close proximity from the enemy's electronic warfare means. The AEHF polar augmentation equipment kits are being created under the EPS (Enhanced Polar System) program to replace the in-service Milstar IPS equipment kits. The launches of two sets on board the US military spacecraft are scheduled for 2015 and 2017, and the start of operational use is expected no earlier than 2018.
          2. ultra
            ultra 28 May 2021 10: 49
            +2
            Why a satellite? A drone will do just fine.
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 28 May 2021 11: 09
              -3
              The drone will do fine.
              and if they "drop" ... and all the RTK-shki stood up, in a tactical situation, as recently in the stony desert of the SAR, the Uranians had problems, through the control channels ???
      2. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 28 May 2021 10: 00
        -3
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        to work in close proximity to remote controlled.

        Any approach of the manager to the controlled exponentially increases the vulnerability of the venture, nullifying the results of the expected effect.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 28 May 2021 10: 48
          -2
          In any case, it is a risk reduction. It is at the forefront of an unmanned vehicle. Of course, if the control center is in the immediate vicinity of the controlled tanks, then it is in danger. But these risks are less, especially with regard to anti-tank weapons and launchers based on the tank will give the necessary protection, it can be done even higher than that of the MBT.
          There is no other way to do it technically yet, satellite communication has many limitations. Especially in Russia.
      3. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 29 May 2021 00: 22
        0
        Then take a car with good protection on the basis of any armored vehicles based on armata such as boomerang or kurganets, so that the crew is covered and manage just what kind of old stuff.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 29 May 2021 00: 49
          -1
          Quote: Incvizitor
          armata like boomerang or kurgan,

          The T-72 / BMO is superior to all this equipment in terms of booking. Moreover, everything that is written by the military-industrial complex is not capable of mass production. They exist for parades.
    3. Niko
      Niko 28 May 2021 10: 41
      -2
      Quote: A. Privalov
      This robotic complex (RTK) will be used for street battles in large settlements.

      It will be very difficult to manage such a device in the conditions of dense urban development and it is practically impossible to cover them. Therefore, if it really comes to street fighting, they are doomed. My opinion is personal. Apparently the customer and the developers have a different opinion from mine.hi

      The customer and the developer think about the money that can be mastered, they do not give more for the robot Fedya
    4. Hagen
      Hagen 28 May 2021 12: 08
      0
      Quote: A. Privalov
      It will be very difficult to manage such a device in the conditions of dense urban development and it is practically impossible to cover them.

      They did not write about this, but I am sure that the situation in the area of ​​application of the complex can be illuminated with the use of quadrocopters. If there are vehicles with automatic cannons in the complex with vert. aiming degrees up to 75-80, I think, it is possible to hide from the upper hemisphere. I see no reason for pessimism. The whole question will arise in the training and coherence of the management team. My opinion.
    5. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 28 May 2021 16: 31
      0
      In the infantry unit, a couple of such operators with tanks and let them use them for their support at their discretion.
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 28 May 2021 09: 34
    -1
    ... based on the T-72BZ tank


    What kind of tank ?!
    Walkers only!

    1. Intruder
      Intruder 28 May 2021 09: 51
      -3
      Walkers only!

      better than AAT, then ... laughing !?
    2. Niko
      Niko 28 May 2021 10: 44
      -6
      You would have to really invest money in walkers (at least in a model), and then I collected scrap metal, made cartoons, and for 2-3 years you can eat well and buy summer cottages on the Cote d'Azur
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 28 May 2021 10: 55
        +1
        Quote: Niko
        You would have to really invest money in walkers (at least in a model), and then I collected scrap metal, made cartoons, and for 2-3 years you can eat well and buy summer cottages on the Cote d'Azur


        Well, that's the same. Everything is described. The tower from "Tunguska" ... True, it is manned, but you can make a machine gun. In the second part it is described (Chinese walkers)

  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 28 May 2021 09: 40
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    This robotic complex (RTK) will be used for street battles in large settlements.

    Please voice the list of these cities. fellow
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 28 May 2021 09: 43
      +5
      Quote: Ros 56
      This robotic complex (RTK) will be used for street battles in large settlements.

      Please voice the list of these cities. fellow


      Washington, New York, Los Angeles, Boston, Chicago, San Francisco ...
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 28 May 2021 09: 44
        +2
        Then I FOR all limbs. laughing
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 28 May 2021 10: 12
        -6
        Washington, New York, Los Angeles, Boston, Chicago, San Francisco ...
        There will not be enough money in the budget, also riveted carriers under them ... and break through the air defense on two coasts .... !!!
        Maybe then: Kaliningrad, Murmansk and Vladivostok with Magadan ???
        1. sergo1914
          sergo1914 28 May 2021 10: 51
          -1
          Quote: Intruder
          There will not be enough money in the budget, also riveted carriers under them ... and break through the air defense on two coasts .... !!!


          Not. Everything is simpler. They will walk along the bottom of the ocean, come out to the coast and ka-a-a-k ...
          1. mark1
            mark1 28 May 2021 11: 05
            +2
            Quote: sergo1914
            Everything is easier

            It's even easier - they ALREADY sit at the bottom of the ocean, occasionally float up in turn, watch and oily drool from anticipation. All have already been counted and played at cards, who will kill whom.
    2. Boris55
      Boris55 28 May 2021 09: 47
      +2
      Quote: Ros 56
      Please voice the list of these cities.

      They are all in Syria. Tested and refined in practice.
    3. Intruder
      Intruder 28 May 2021 10: 10
      -5
      Damascus, Aleppo, Donbass and others ...!? laughing
  • rocket757
    rocket757 28 May 2021 09: 45
    +2
    The first samples of the heavy strike robot "Shturm" are being created in Russia
    ... Also an option. The issue of effective management, serious armament and security of the escorting units ...
    In short, you need to see it, try it !!!
  • Klingon
    Klingon 28 May 2021 09: 46
    +5
    I do not agree with the name "robot" and "robotic complex" in my understanding, a robot is a fully autonomous apparatus possessing, for example, machine vision and various other sensors (lidars, ultrasound and laser scanners, etc.), at least able to navigate in an unfamiliar situation and make decisions on how to act, but here we see just another radio-controlled combat unit. Is my Mavik a robot? definitely not, although it has optical sensors and has an RTH function
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 28 May 2021 10: 16
      -3
      I do not agree with the name "robot" and "robotic complex" in my understanding, a robot is a fully autonomous apparatus possessing, for example, machine vision and various other sensors (
      This is canonicity, but for now ... the operator controls the remote control and via radio channel, or even via optical fiber ...
      lidars, ultrasound and laser scanners
      and this is all there, and even on civil land transport for a long time ...
      Is my Mavik a robot? definitely not, although it has optical sensors and has an RTH function
      Well, that’s not quite, more precisely - a semi-automatic system, he needs you in flight, in part - piloting in difficult conditions .. until he needs you! hi
      1. Klingon
        Klingon 28 May 2021 12: 05
        +1
        - still knows how to fly by points and follow the object (active track) with third-party software, though. no, well, Boston Dynamics, they have full-fledged dog robots, for example
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 28 May 2021 13: 04
          -1
          - still knows how to fly by points and follow the object (active track) with third-party software really
          well, this is the basic functionality of a modern autopilot, any version ... and tracking and tracking the trajectory of an object, also from the mohair years of the 20th century !?
          1. Klingon
            Klingon 28 May 2021 13: 38
            +2
            well so I'm about the same. and flying by points does not make it a robot, because if (suddenly) the map does not load, then hello there. in the sense of having arrived
        2. Smirnov Mikhail
          Smirnov Mikhail 28 May 2021 14: 30
          0
          These are not yet full-fledged robots. There are no sensors (senses). The dog does not "see" or "understand" ..
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 28 May 2021 10: 25
    0
    Isn't it cheaper to simply convert a few old t 72s under control from this point without seriously sawing the tower?
    1. Smirnov Mikhail
      Smirnov Mikhail 28 May 2021 14: 31
      +1
      Too cheap, people need to make money, not save ..
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 28 May 2021 10: 36
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    Gospidya! What is it? Again wishful thinking? After all, this "project" "Storm" has been known ("created") since 2015! And sho? Have the first prototypes already been created? First tests carried out? Ali is not there? I can not hear!



    When creating such a robotic complex (RTK), it is useful to have a universal combat platform, the functionality of which would change as the combat modules are replaced! Of all that you can imagine, the Armata platform is the best! Moreover, a lot has already been prepared there for remote control of weapons! However, the choice was settled on the "outdated" T-72! And this is despite the fact that on the T-72 for remote control everything must be done from scratch! (True, for several years now it has been infa that Russia is trying to make some kind of unmanned T-72 ... perhaps this infa was associated with the Shturm project ...) It seems that all this "absurdity" is explained by the "simple" the reasons ...: the "terrible" high cost of "Armata" and the fate of "Armata" has not yet been fully clarified! And the T-72 in the country is a fig and you can experiment relatively inexpensively! As a certain "hero" of the famous film said: "You need to train better on cats!" ... And then the experience gained on the T-72 can be applied on other platforms ... because "you can't drink the experience"!
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 28 May 2021 13: 09
      -1
      Moreover, a lot has already been prepared there for remote control of weapons!
      Duc, within the onboard BM, and by wire in the armored hull ??? Now, if the modules autonomously, tracking differential targets, could hit them at an admissible distance of destruction ... such as not in the KAZ (a) functional, but in the main armament, without the presence of an operator (gunner) and no matter where he sits there: inside or at a distance in the control center, then it would be a robotic complex, at least (in the light version ... laughing ) was guided by the collected preliminary optical and radar signatures of targets obtained from any additional reconnaissance!
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 28 May 2021 13: 32
        0
        Quote: Intruder
        Duc, within the onboard BM, and by wire in the armored hull ??? Now, if the modules autonomously, tracking differential targets, could hit them

        Duc, did I call the "Armata" already "robotic combat vehicle"? belay
  • Aleksandr97
    Aleksandr97 28 May 2021 12: 05
    +1
    Fully autonomous combat robots are not justified at the moment - an excessively dangerous gamble. It is one thing for a Tesla car that flew into a ditch or did not see a cyclist, a completely different combat systems in the "on their own mind" mode. Again, it is better to observe the Three Laws of Robotics A. Azimov than to embody the terminator in reality.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 28 May 2021 13: 41
      +3
      Again, it is better to observe the Three Laws of Robotics A. Azimov than to embody the terminator in reality.
      It's good that they remembered ... Azimova !!! But now, and so the "robots" work autonomously, the banking sector, biochemistry with molecular biology (we all drink medicine and are almost not afraid that they will poison ... well, or almost! wink ), big data analytics, physical modeling ... and robotic assembly lines, have already abandoned the notorious human factor, with its problems and errors in work, as well as stress and vacations with a different physiology yes !!!
  • Smirnov Mikhail
    Smirnov Mikhail 28 May 2021 14: 45
    +2
    Robot (Czech. Robot, from robota - "forced labor") - an automatic device designed to carry out various types of mechanical operations, which operates according to a predetermined program.

    A robot usually receives information about the state of the surrounding space by means of sensors (technical analogs of the senses of living organisms). The robot can independently carry out production and other operations, partially or completely replacing human labor.

    Does "Assault" fit the definition of a robot? Not. There is no pre-laid down algorithm, no sensors (sense organs), and he is not on friendly terms with production. Here a person fits the definition of a robot much more.
  • Konnick
    Konnick 28 May 2021 15: 43
    0
    Dead-end path of development of armored vehicles. All weapons are outside of armor protection, and urban combat is close range, how long will the weapons and optics withstand shelling from simple automatic weapons. All this must be hidden under armor and minimized optics, but there are still no such dimensions of sensor devices, look at the birdhouse at the top, like a Yandex mobile that shoots panoramas for maps. And it would be better to make a scout robot, sometimes information is more important than shooting. Now UralVagonZavod already has a debt of 100 billion rubles. And they are trying to sell all these toys in the hope of getting orders, but more or less experienced and competent personnel scatter due to low salaries.
    The number of employees of the company at the end of 2020 decreased by 326 employees and amounted to 29 people, recorded in the document. Despite this, the arithmetic average salary in 748 compared to 2020 in JSCs still decreased - by 2019%.

    Read more at RBC:
    https://www.rbc.ru/business/28/05/2021/60ae5dc99a7947ef4d363f14

    And why should a robot have such dimensions, especially in a city and a weight like a real tank. It will stand up somewhere and cover everything with its dimensions. Just to bungle something.
  • Gunther
    Gunther 28 May 2021 19: 29
    0
    for military operations in the city, in my opinion, a slightly modified Spot robot from Boston Dynamics (now the Japanese SoftBank) is best suited - add a second manipulator for firing in Macedonian and a bazooka (grenade launcher, optional TDA) in the stern - for guiding a restless fire when retreating.
    the robot will be able to fire from around the corner with impunity - by exposing a manipulator equipped with a thermal imager from a PC, climb a vertical wall and much more ...
  • Gunther
    Gunther 28 May 2021 19: 55
    0
    Quote: Intruder
    What are you, but we are all from Adam and Eve, which means ...!?


    which means you need to carefully read the verse
    Chapter 27 of the book of Genesis - the 1th day of Creation.
    so INTO from the dust (dirt) - this is the 8th day of Creation)))))))
  • Klingon
    Klingon 28 May 2021 23: 12
    0
    Quote: Smirnov Mikhail
    These are not yet full-fledged robots. There are no sensors (senses). The dog does not "see" or "understand" ..

    By the way, BD's dog sees and knows how to build a route of movement and also draws up its own maps for optimal movement
  • riwas
    riwas 29 May 2021 16: 59
    +1
    It is clear that tanks in the city are vulnerable and the robot avoids casualties. But a completely autonomous tank is still not worth doing. AI works for a short time, and telecontrol is unreliable. One person, but protected to the maximum. The Israeli Carmel has a crew of two.
    We also need a 57-mm cannon for firing at windows, incl. on the upper floors and a coaxial 12,7 mm (mechanical twin) machine gun in the upper controlled module. On the sides of the tower there are heavy NURs for demolishing buildings. Well, and a powerful jamming system, including a laser paired with a 12,7 mm machine gun.
  • Synoid
    Synoid 30 May 2021 04: 55
    0
    On the one hand, it is correct that there is nothing to lose in these urban developments.
    On the other hand, if we hypothetically take Europe, there is nothing to do in cities at all, equal to 0.