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Adopted for service. Successes and prospects of the MPL pistol

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PL-15 pistol with additional equipment


The Federal Service of the National Guard has adopted two new models of small arms. weapons - pistols MPL and MPL-1 developed by the Kalashnikov concern. These products were developed specifically for the Rosgvardia according to its technical specifications and meet the current requirements of the department as much as possible. This is expected to provide all the features and benefits you need.

In a limited time


Several years ago, within the framework of the Army-2015 forum, the Kalashnikov concern first showed a promising PL-14 pistol designed by D. Lebedev. In the future, this product was modified several times to obtain certain advantages. Pistol modifications are regularly shown at various exhibitions and offered to various customers, incl. foreign.

In 2017, the Russian Guard drew up the tactical and technical requirements for a promising pistol for its structures and launched development work with the Lynx code. Concern "Kalashnikov" joined this ROC, for which it began the development of the next version of the PL-14 product. This weapon received the designation MPL ("Lebedev Modular Pistol"), and its modification was designated as MPL-1.

For several years, Kalashnikov completed the necessary revision of the original pistol with the introduction of new design features and obtaining the required capabilities. Then the finished pistols of two types were carried out through the entire cycle of the necessary tests. In February of this year, MPL and MPL-1 completed state tests, according to the results of which they received a recommendation for adoption.


MPL pistol

On May 24, the Kalashnikov concern announced the adoption of two new pistols by the FSVNG. The first consignments of weapons were transferred to the Russian Guard for development and operation. In the near future, full-scale production of MPL and MPL-1 will be launched, which will cover all the customer's needs for modern short-barreled weapons. At the same time, the terms and volumes of such rearmament are not specified.

According to customer requirements


According to the known data, TTT at the Lynx ROC provided for the development of a self-loading pistol chambered for 9x19 mm Parabellum with enhanced tactical capabilities. The latter were proposed to be obtained through the introduction of a number of design solutions, as well as through the development of a pistol modification with an expanded composition of additional equipment.

By its design, the MPL as a whole repeats the basic PL-14/15. The pistol is built on the basis of a plastic frame and a metal shutter casing. The casing is low in height; the trunk is pushed down as far as possible. Automation is used with the recoil of the bolt coupled to the barrel. Locking is carried out by interaction of the protrusion on the barrel with a window in the casing. The double-action trigger includes a concealed trigger.

The pistol is equipped with a detachable 16-round magazine. There are openings in the rear wall of the store for visual control of the ammunition load. MPL can use the entire range of 9x19 mm cartridges, including high-yield ammunition.


The MPL project provides for the improvement of ergonomics, incl. to improve combat performance. Thus, the shape and angle of the handle are determined for the greatest convenience of the shooter; there is the possibility of replacing the linings. The handle is only 28 mm thick. The downward shift of the barrel made it possible to reduce the toss when fired. The controls are double-sided.

The "special" version of the MPL-1 pistol is minimally different from the base one. It is equipped with a longer barrel with a thread for the installation of a device for reducing the sound of a shot. It was necessary to increase the height of the sight and front sight so that the silencer did not block the sighting line.

Pistols for Rosgvardia have dimensions and weight at the level of other modern samples. The length of the products is 205 or 220 mm. The height of the MPL pistol is 140 mm. Special version 5 mm higher. The basic product weighs 800 g; MPL-1 is 15 g heavier. PSZS increases the length of the pistol up to 400 mm and makes it heavier up to 1,15 kg.

Benefits obtained


Currently, the main short-barreled weapon of the Russian Guard is the PM pistol. There are also other weapons in smaller numbers, such as PYa, GSh-18, etc. Makarov pistol, with all its advantages and long stories, no longer meets all current requirements, and a number of structures need to be replaced. It was for this purpose that the Lynx ROC was carried out.

The new MPL and MPL-1 pistols have been developed taking into account the modern TTT and based on the accumulated experience. This circumstance in itself is an obvious advantage. At the same time, promising samples have other important features.


MPL-1 and additional equipment in a standard case

The choice of ammunition is of great importance. The domestic cartridge 9x18 mm and weapons for it are often criticized for limited power and, accordingly, insufficient combat characteristics. Foreign 9x19 mm is more powerful and has other advantages. In addition, a wide range of such cartridges with different characteristics and capabilities are produced in our country and abroad.

Lebedev's pistols compare favorably with PMs by the ability to adjust to the needs of a particular shooter and to the tasks at hand. This is ensured by both the ergonomics of the weapon and compatibility with a wide range of accessories and devices. At the same time, one of these devices, PSZS, is included in the basic configuration of the MPL-1 modification.

It should be recalled that MPL pistols for FSVNG were not developed from scratch and are a continuation of the development of the existing design. This shows that the PL-14/15 pistol has a high modernization potential, and it can be successfully used to fulfill the tactical and technical requirements of a particular customer.

Not only Rosgvardia


To date, the family of D. Lebedev pistols includes several products. These are the basic PL-14 and its improved version PL-15, the modular MPL for the Russian Guard in two versions, as well as a compact PLC and a sports SP1. So far, only two standardized models have been adopted, but in the future the situation will change.


PLC - this pistol interested the Ministry of Internal Affairs

In August 2020, it became known that the PLC pistol successfully passed state tests and was recommended for adoption by the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Concern "Kalashnikov" handed over a batch of such weapons for trial operation, and also began preparations for serial production. Officially, the adoption of the PLC into service has not yet been reported, but similar news may appear soon.

Since 2015, Kalashnikov has regularly shown pistols of the PL-14/15 family at exhibitions and is trying to attract new customers. Until recently, such weapons were presented only at domestic events, and in February of this year, the "premiere" took place at a foreign show. The pistols were reported to have caught the attention of visitors, although no actual orders have been received yet.

Contemporary pattern


Thus, the gunsmiths of the Kalashnikov concern were able to create a modern and successful pistol design, which has already become the basis for a whole family of weapons. Several samples of such a line have been adopted by Russian structures or are preparing for this. In addition, foreign orders are expected to appear.

The current situation is already conducive to optimism. Kalashnikov has coped with the design tasks and is ready to produce new weapons. Now everything depends only on the customers, the first of whom has already decided on their plans. Who will buy Lebedev's pistols after the Russian Guard will become known in the near future.
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  1. ssergey1978
    ssergey1978 28 May 2021 18: 12
    +9
    What kind of pistol is it trying to replace the good old PM?
    1. marchcat
      marchcat 28 May 2021 18: 27
      +1
      And it's good that there are many models, there is plenty to choose from.
      1. 5.56x45 NATO
        5.56x45 NATO 28 May 2021 18: 59
        +2
        Quote: marchcat
        And it's good that there are many models, there is plenty to choose from.

        Who has a lot to choose from? Nothing from pistols is available to Russians anyway. What's the difference at least the PM of the 50s, or the Lynx of the 2020th.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 28 May 2021 19: 07
          +7
          This also raises the question of the quality of workmanship. I have heard more than once that the quality of production of barrels for military models, in comparison with the Soviet period, has significantly decreased. So with the release of the Lebedev pistol overseas, the question is, this is not a massive Kalash for the black tribes of Africa.
          1. bk0010
            bk0010 28 May 2021 20: 13
            +8
            Quote: Sea Cat
            I have heard more than once that the quality of production of barrels for military models, in comparison with the Soviet period, has significantly decreased.
            With the army, the PZ is still rectifying the situation, and you read what they write on the forums about the quality of civilian weapons. It got to the point that there are people who, for money, choose specific specimens that can still be brought to a normal battle and their services are in demand.
            1. Obliterator
              Obliterator 28 May 2021 22: 08
              +6
              Quote: bk0010
              and you read what the forums write about the quality of civilian weapons. It got to the point that there are people who, for money, choose specific specimens that can still be brought to a normal battle, and their services are in demand.

              Heard. I am amused by the phenomenon of export versions, when the most sleek and high-quality weapons are exported, and every kind of blunder goes to the domestic market. Even more amusing is the attitude of some people who in all seriousness believe that this is how it should be. They say we are poor people in Russia, but rukasty, and therefore we will buy semi-finished products on the cheap, and then finish them with a file to a more or less acceptable level.
            2. Ingenegr
              Ingenegr 29 May 2021 02: 21
              -2
              Quote: bk0010
              which can still lead to normal combat

              This is overkill ... Either a mess in my head, or deliberately distorting the term. What exactly is meant by "bringing to normal combat"?
              1. ssergey1978
                ssergey1978 29 May 2021 02: 33
                +2
                Apparently I read a lot of Hansa and think that domestic barrels are so crooked that the bullets fly in the opposite direction.
              2. bk0010
                bk0010 30 May 2021 00: 40
                0
                Quote: Ingenegr
                This is overkill ... Either a mess in my head, or deliberately distorting the term. What exactly is meant by "bringing to normal combat"?
                I quote:
                Now something about the technical aspects of our work. What is done with the carabiner during the selection process? Something like this.

                1. At the armory, the total mass of Saiga carbines is taken and, first of all, the most straight ones are selected by geometry. As you know, curvature is a disease of assembly of practically the entire family of Saiga carbines, both smooth-bore and rifled. There is practically no ideal Saiga, but it is quite possible to choose one close to it. At the very least, we choose the best of what is.

                That is, the following will be checked:

                - the absence of a transverse blockage of the front sight pads;
                - no longitudinal and blockage of the aiming pad;
                - no bending of the front sight (alas, it also happens);
                - absence of other defects.

                You can read about how the serial Saigas sold in stores sometimes look, for example, here:

                https://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/43/630060.html

                2. According to the imported cold zeroing laser device, adjustments are made to the position of the sighting devices (that is, the weapon is brought to normal combat without firing). This, of course, is not a panacea and does not relieve the owner of the weapon from the need for fire zeroing, but at least makes it much easier. When the laser is zeroed in, the correction during fire zeroing approaches the minimum values.

                How fire zeroing is performed is described here:

                https://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/43/358807.html

                Using the same device on the carbines of the Saiga-12 family, the alignment of the thread on the muzzle is checked. Quite often it happens that the thread axis does not correspond to the axis of the bore. The consequence of this is a serious deviation of the center of the debris (or STP for a bullet) when firing with an extension nozzle installed.

                3. The alignment of the gas outlet openings in the barrel with the gas chamber opening is checked.

                4. On dummy cartridges, the supply of cartridges from the magazines is checked. If additional stores are ordered, they are all customized.

                5. Additional equipment is installed (if necessary) and the weapon is completed with a set of spare parts.
                1. Old tanker
                  Old tanker 31 May 2021 18: 25
                  0
                  Guys with experience, they just make money on sofa arrows. All this (with the exception of cold shooting (which is not required for a wearable weapon in principle) with the help of an imported laser device) is performed by a fighter when he first receives a weapon from a warehouse and the very first bringing it to a normal battle in a shooting range. Well, and a civilian shooter when viewed when buying and sighting.
                  1. bk0010
                    bk0010 31 May 2021 19: 00
                    0
                    Quote: Old Tankman
                    Well, and a civilian shooter when viewed when buying and sighting.
                    Here comes a civilian shooter to the store, give him a gun, he begins an inspection. He sees that even a fly-hound cannot put a fly in its place. He takes the next one, the trunk is not aligned there. He wants the following, but he is told "no more." Good copies were exported, then the guys with experience chose, and what was left went to the store.
          2. ssergey1978
            ssergey1978 28 May 2021 21: 00
            0
            Rumors about the poor quality of civilian guns are greatly exaggerated. The saiga is of decent quality. Both sliced ​​and smooth
          3. Gunther
            Gunther 29 May 2021 02: 53
            +1
            well, if the PM is not only to open beer, but also to go to the shooting gallery every week, then it is important weapon resource, the same glock, for example, has a complete order with the resource.
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 29 May 2021 20: 43
              +1
              Quote: Gunter
              well, if the PM is not only to open beer, but also to go to the shooting gallery every week, then it is important weapon resource, the same glock, for example, has a complete order with the resource.

              And what is wrong with the PM with the resource?
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 28 May 2021 21: 24
        +2
        Quote: marchcat
        it's good that there are many models, there is plenty to choose from

        Duc, you can "get confused"! fool
    2. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 29 May 2021 20: 48
      +3
      kind PM?
      \
      Damn, PM I know completely. I also fired from the TT, although I did not understand it. And with the new variety of pistols that have entered service, I feel like an amateur ...
  2. senima56
    senima56 28 May 2021 19: 02
    +1
    Dmitry Lebedev - the State Prize for the submarine (all modifications)! good
    Ivan Kozlov - State Prize for "Boa constrictor", "Aspid" and "Poloz"! good
    Well done boys! hi
    1. Clone
      Clone 29 May 2021 00: 28
      +3
      Quote: senima56
      Dmitry Lebedev - the State Prize for the submarine (all modifications)! good
      Ivan Kozlov - State Prize for "Boa constrictor", "Aspid" and "Poloz"! good
      Well done boys! hi

      So what is next? State prizes were awarded ... what next? The good old PM only grins ...
      1. silver169
        silver169 29 May 2021 04: 55
        -1
        Good old PM, good old Kalashnikov, good old footcloths ... Not tired of singing old mantras?
        1. Svidetel 45
          Svidetel 45 29 May 2021 15: 49
          +1
          And I would not change my footcloths for any ankle boots today, for central Russia, and even in the off-season, I had to go to field exercises more than once, except for special conditions, for example, a mountainous area or a sandy desert with a hot climate.
          1. silver169
            silver169 29 May 2021 16: 14
            -4
            And what have ankle boots got to do with it? Do you even wear footcloths with boots? This is already quite the limit of insanity. Is it possible that Russia has not yet learned how to sew normal socks for servicemen?
        2. ssergey1978
          ssergey1978 29 May 2021 21: 34
          +1
          What does the mantra have to do with it? What did AK and PM not please?
  3. Thrifty
    Thrifty 28 May 2021 19: 09
    0
    The package is good in the case. Interestingly, what is the price of such a kit?
    1. Split
      Split 28 May 2021 19: 25
      0
      Why do you need it? (c) If from the National Guard, then it's free, if not, then the current is the black market repeat, but then something hidden is better ... I myself will give preference to PSM here. I somehow forgot to put it in 11, dragged it into the Kremlin Palace ... well, not PSM, but IZH-79-9TM

      They did not pass bags through the detector, they just examined the bags, it did not protrude into the side compartment, it is slightly thicker than a matchbox
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 28 May 2021 19: 50
        -3
        And PSM with glushak generally shine.
        1. Split
          Split 28 May 2021 19: 57
          +2
          Chet has not heard of this ... he seems to have a standard length and does not provide for threading ... if you modify the current with your hands ... but there the barrel is quite thin to screw on the thread
  4. Ros 56
    Ros 56 28 May 2021 19: 21
    +2
    And what the fuck is a Rosguard machine like that? I understand, for the special forces, but for a crowd of men with a cudgel-democratizer, why is this?
    1. Cat Alexandrovich
      Cat Alexandrovich 28 May 2021 19: 27
      +3
      The pistol is needed in order to shoot at the enemy.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 28 May 2021 19: 29
        +4
        I'm embarrassed to ask, but their opponent is you and your family?
        1. Cat Alexandrovich
          Cat Alexandrovich 28 May 2021 19: 30
          +2
          The enemy for them is the one to whom their superiors point out.
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 28 May 2021 19: 31
            +1
            Here I am about the same, you would have enough for the eyes of the PM. And this is a good army car.
            1. Cat Alexandrovich
              Cat Alexandrovich 28 May 2021 19: 33
              0
              So yes, but even the cudgel-democratizers are improving ...
            2. Obliterator
              Obliterator 28 May 2021 22: 02
              -3
              Quote: Ros 56
              Here I am about the same, you would have enough for the eyes of the PM. And this is a good army car.

              PM is not a "good army car" at all, but a "good police car".
              1. Doliva63
                Doliva63 29 May 2021 20: 51
                +1
                Quote: Obliterator
                Quote: Ros 56
                Here I am about the same, you would have enough for the eyes of the PM. And this is a good army car.

                PM is not a "good army car" at all, but a "good police car".

                The morning began in the village laughing They don't fight with pistols in the army. How much about it can you? PM is a wonderful thing to wear clothes, to carry out a sentence for a deserter, to shoot himself, at worst. They fight in the army with machine guns. PM in the army - in place. Therefore, they cannot push him away in any way.
                1. Obliterator
                  Obliterator 29 May 2021 23: 59
                  0
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  PM is a wonderful thing to wear clothes, carry out a sentence for a deserter, shoot himself, at worst. They fight in the army with machine guns. PM in the army - in place. Therefore, they cannot shove him off in any way.

                  Well, if you think from this side, then it makes sense to go straight to subcompact babies - they weigh less, the dimensions are more modest, the functionality is the same. The officers will appreciate it.
                  1. Doliva63
                    Doliva63 1 June 2021 19: 45
                    -1
                    Quote: Obliterator
                    Quote: Doliva63
                    PM is a wonderful thing to wear clothes, carry out a sentence for a deserter, shoot himself, at worst. They fight in the army with machine guns. PM in the army - in place. Therefore, they cannot shove him off in any way.

                    Well, if you think from this side, then it makes sense to go straight to subcompact babies - they weigh less, the dimensions are more modest, the functionality is the same. The officers will appreciate it.

                    Among those who sometimes want to kill, there are such foreheads that your "subcompact" will definitely not take it in the forehead, so let the PM stay laughing
      2. Palestinian Cossack
        Palestinian Cossack 29 May 2021 11: 16
        +1
        Rosgvardia is SOBR, OMON, Vityaz and further down the list ..
        The fight against the NBF and other crap has not been canceled, a good weapon is the path to success.
    2. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 28 May 2021 19: 31
      -2
      Quote: Ros 56
      And what the fuck is a Rosguard machine like that? I understand, for the special forces, but for a crowd of men with a cudgel-democratizer, why is this?

      And why do they need a machine gun "Badger", for example?
      Maintaining public order means not only raising hamsters with a club, but also storming the Bandera terrorists who have settled in the house, and quietly liquidating various Navalny and Tikhanovskys. A good old barrel with a silencer works more reliably than poloniums or "newbies".
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 28 May 2021 19: 37
        -5
        So what am I asking about, for the anti-sabotage special forces it is clear, but for the whole crowd of the Rosguards, why is this?
        1. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo 28 May 2021 19: 46
          -12%
          Quote: Ros 56
          So what am I asking about, for the anti-sabotage special forces it is clear, but for the whole crowd of the Rosguards, why is this?

          Well I do not know. Perhaps to increase the performance characteristics of units.
          I am sure that, for example, Evsyukov would have filled more frags if he had a barrel with a more capacious magazine and a silencer.
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 28 May 2021 19: 49
            0
            Who shot civilians in the store?
            1. Narak-zempo
              Narak-zempo 28 May 2021 19: 50
              -6
              Quote: Ros 56
              Who shot civilians in the store?

              Well, yes.
              And if you give him a "Bison" with an auger - so in general "Columbine" is resting.
      2. PSih2097
        PSih2097 28 May 2021 22: 14
        +3
        Quote: Narak-zempo
        but also to storm the Bandera terrorists who have settled in the house, and to quietly eliminate the various Navalny and Tikhanovskys.

        The Cheka was always engaged in this (if at home), and beyond the GRU cordon ...
        GRU does not take work home, and FSB fighters do not go on tour
        1. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 28 May 2021 22: 50
          +1
          Quote: PSih2097

          The Cheka was always engaged in this (if at home), and beyond the GRU cordon ...
          GRU does not take work home, and FSB fighters do not go on tour
          In the KGB for "foreign tourism to capitalist countries" was "Vympel".
          But the GRU was engaged in "extreme tourism" - "across the river" or in "a country where there are many wild monkeys."
          For us, the most famous "chekists' voyage" abroad - 1940 to Mexico, on a visit to the nee Leib Davidovich Bronstein.
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 28 May 2021 22: 51
            0
            I'm talking about current realities, not about the USSR ...
      3. Revival
        Revival 29 May 2021 00: 32
        -4
        It is naive of course, but this is probably very slightly outside the scope of the law.
        1. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo 29 May 2021 08: 20
          +1
          Quote: Revival
          It is naive of course, but this is probably very slightly outside the scope of the law.

          Fighting terrorists? belay
      4. Clone
        Clone 29 May 2021 00: 32
        0
        Quote: Narak-zempo
        to quietly liquidate various Navalny and Tikhanovsky

        This is a matter of the spetsura, but in no way extras with an incomplete secondary education.
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 29 May 2021 21: 00
          0
          Quote: Clone
          Quote: Narak-zempo
          to quietly liquidate various Navalny and Tikhanovsky

          This is a matter of the spetsura, but in no way extras with an incomplete secondary education.

          This is the case of the prosecutor's office and the courts. Lower secondary? laughing
    3. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 28 May 2021 19: 56
      0
      SOBR, Knight. You can continue the list yourself.
    4. tatarin1972
      tatarin1972 28 May 2021 20: 10
      +3
      You ask the SOBR in the North Caucasus, they will explain it to you.
  5. 5.56x45 NATO
    5.56x45 NATO 28 May 2021 19: 21
    0
    Question: how is this zbroya better than the notorious Glock 17 and 18, or at worst HK VP9?
    1. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 28 May 2021 19: 32
      -4
      Quote: 5.56x45 NATO
      weapon

      I will explain in a language understandable to dill: buying a Glock instead of domestic weapons is zrada.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 28 May 2021 22: 25
        +4
        Quote: Narak-zempo
        buying a Glock instead of domestic weapons is a thing.

        A number of FSB units will disagree with you. laughing
      2. psiho117
        psiho117 31 May 2021 20: 16
        0
        Quote: Narak-zempo
        buying a Glock instead of domestic weapons is a thing.

        I will surprise you - but they buy it, and how.
        Those who can afford what they need, and not what they have given - often choose the Glock.
    2. Palestinian Cossack
      Palestinian Cossack 29 May 2021 11: 22
      0
      I can't say better, I have no shot. This is definitely not worse, and the main thing is domestic production
      Peremoga)))
  6. Baron pardus
    Baron pardus 28 May 2021 19: 26
    +1
    It's a pity that because of these damn sanctions, this pistol will not reach us in the United States. We have already lost the opportunity to buy both Saiga and Vepr. What a damn rifle were ... ehhh. It's good that you bought ... How did you feel ...
    It would be really fun to take him to the range and compare against the Glock. M & P, Chz-75, Witness, PT92, and of all Kanikov and Sarsilmazov. And if you also invite my friends, well, so they could arrange a cool test.
    1. bk0010
      bk0010 28 May 2021 20: 15
      0
      Quote: Baron Pardus
      We have already lost the opportunity to buy both Saiga and Vepr.
      You now have their own rivets.
      1. Baron pardus
        Baron pardus 29 May 2021 21: 16
        +1
        No, they don't rivet. Nothing is produced at the VEPRIA level in the USA. At all. Of course, all sorts of Kalash are produced, but this is far from a saiga, and far from a boar. For example, the AK74 of the Palmetto State Armory company does not have a chrome-plated barrel but a nitride one, moreover, they are buggy. At least the first episode. The KR103, for example, although it has a chrome-plated barrel, does not have a weighted 1,5mm receiver or a heavy barrel (like the boar and some saiga modifications). ZPAP M70, imported to the USA, has a chrome-plated barrel and a weighted receiver, but not a weighted barrel, moreover, KR103 and M70 are only available in 7.62x39. In 5.56, 5.45 and 7.62x51 they are not. So nothing of the Saiga level, and even more so the boar in the United States is not produced. And what is produced is 2-2.5 times more expensive than Saigas and Veprey. Saiga was 400 bucks, mine with a weighted 20 inch barrel. Zpap M70 - 1100 bucks. It often seems to me that the main reason for the ban was that Saigi and Vepri simply and banally inflicted a loss on American producers. Both for the price and, most importantly, for the quality.
    2. Revival
      Revival 29 May 2021 00: 34
      +1
      Norm
      This is forbidden to us, no mugs come out, they are not set on fire
  7. Normal
    Normal 28 May 2021 19: 37
    0
    Oh, how many of them have already been, replacement of the PM.
    God grant.
    Let's hope it doesn't disappoint and justifies.
    Let's hope.
    And what about the National Guard? So what's the difference?
    The machine would be good.
    1. 5.56x45 NATO
      5.56x45 NATO 28 May 2021 19: 51
      +1
      It is a pity that the Russians will not be able to purchase it as well as any COP. The maximum for pistols in Russia is a bunch of confidants with ksivs and the secret police.
      1. D16
        D16 28 May 2021 20: 21
        -3
        If you are worried, then in vain. Whoever needs it, will go to the shooting range and shoot.
        1. Normal
          Normal 28 May 2021 20: 44
          0
          Yes, I was in the dash that is available. The choice is CZ-75 and the killed (or maybe he's like that) Yarygin.
          I'm not talking about that, but about being in service.
          Will be in the troops, there is not far to "friendly" reach and "user" accessibility.
        2. Revival
          Revival 29 May 2021 00: 35
          0
          And will it get?
          1. D16
            D16 29 May 2021 07: 02
            0
            And will it get?

            Whoever can and should receive it for free. Who can, but do not need, will get it. The rest of the forks are in the shooting range. smile
  8. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 28 May 2021 20: 54
    +4
    The pistol is interesting, but I just can't understand why it is. PM in the army needs to be changed. It has no options. In the police, PM is ideal. Why fence a garden with a new pistol for the National Guard? An army pistol, under the same 9 * 21, in the PM police and that's it. New pistol for 9 * 19 - expanding the range of produced cartridges and increasing their cost.
    1. unknown
      unknown 30 May 2021 10: 01
      0
      Moreover, if you remember that the competition "Rook" was actually won by the PMM.
      The main problem of PM is the cartridge.
      More precisely, its design with a bullet heavily recessed into the sleeve.
      The Belgians have altered it already in our time.
      It turned out very well.
      1. Alexfly
        Alexfly 1 July 2021 12: 31
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        more details about this alteration, please ...
  9. senima56
    senima56 28 May 2021 21: 51
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    "The pistols were reported to have caught the attention of visitors, although no actual orders have been received yet." And no wonder! Until these pistols are adopted by us, none of the foreigners will buy! Now, after the FSVNG has been adopted, it is possible that customers will appear! good
  10. senima56
    senima56 28 May 2021 21: 53
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    It's good that we learned how to make normal cases for pistols! And then the PYa was generally delivered in a cardboard box! fool
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 29 May 2021 21: 04
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      Quote: senima56
      It's good that we learned how to make normal cases for pistols! And then the PYa was generally delivered in a cardboard box! fool

      What, so they wore it in a cardboard box on the belt? belay
      1. senima56
        senima56 30 May 2021 14: 37
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        They do not carry a pistol either in a "cardboard box" or in a "case" on a belt! fool wassat
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 1 June 2021 20: 07
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          Quote: senima56
          They do not carry a pistol either in a "cardboard box" or in a "case" on a belt! fool wassat

          Well yes. I remember - a regular holster, open, a holster for hidden carrying, there were also chest holster pockets on tank suits and on winter troopers. You just wrote about the cases for pistols, and I was surprised.
          1. Gunfighter95
            Gunfighter95 11 June 2021 15: 55
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            Regarding the chest holster pocket on the tank suit.
            Once the divisional commander arranged exercises for our air defense station.
            The starters departed to the area of ​​the reserve position, located somewhere on the slope of Mount Buchenwald.
            They deployed in battle formation and began to "repel" the enemy's attack.
            We worked on educational goals all day.
            And at night, in accordance with the scenario of the exercise, they curled up and secretly (on conveyors, so as not to kill the flimsy German roads with caterpillars) were redeployed to the training ground in Erfurt.
            The regiment successfully "fought" at the training ground for two days.
            We returned to the location and then the platoonman from the 5th battery discovers that his regular PM has disappeared from his chest pocket-holster.
            The zipper was broken and he fell out.
            1 am. The maneuvers end at 6:00 am.
            Loss of weapons - two points to the regiment without talking about the consequences for the regiment commander, political officer, etc.
            For the remaining 5 hours, either you need to find a PM, or ...
            We analyzed the situation and decided that the starley had lost his PM in the reserve position.
            They collected flashlights from all over the regiment and the entire battery (25 people with officers and warrant officers) set off in search.
            And oh - a miracle! The ill-fated PM was found in the rut.
            3 KUB launchers and SURNs drove along it with caterpillars.
            They just ripped off the bakelite cheek with the combs of the tracks.
            It was saved that then it was raining all day and the entire clay slope of Mount Buchenwald turned into a thick mush.
            The launchers pressed into the soft clay PM and it remained practically intact.
            The regiment was saved. And the next day, the starters in their overalls changed the fasteners ...
            And I safely carried my PM in a regular holster.
            Only the "safety revolving cord" (this is how it was written in the invoice) was never attached to the pistol, but wrapped around the belt - it always clung to whatever it hit ...
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 11 June 2021 16: 40
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              Looks like they served in the 8th Guards? drinks
              And I remember this pocket because one day he took off his vest (it was hot), while they ran to the landfill, he rubbed my nipple on my chest into blood. Since then, I also used only a regular holster. And he didn't like the lace either. Once on the run, he let go of the pistol from his hand, he flew in an arc on the cord and hit the leg just below the knee - already tears gushed! But, nevertheless, he did not refuse the cord, he just began to watch the pistol more closely. P.S. The search for lost weapons in the army is, although epic, but not rare. And we somehow did not write down the destruction of the used sheet in the cipher pad. Now try to find a pile of ash in the forest in 3-4 days, but find it so convincingly that the special officers would believe it! laughing P.P.S. June 9 The GSVG Day was - with the past! drinks
              1. Gunfighter95
                Gunfighter95 12 June 2021 23: 09
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                Exactly, the 8th army. :), GSVG.
                Weimar, 3,5 km from us.
                Thank you! Mutually - and Happy Holidays!
                To be honest, I forgot that the 9th is our day. drinks
              2. Gunfighter95
                Gunfighter95 12 June 2021 23: 20
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                Reminded ...
                Our neighbors alienated the special communications regiment somehow.
                We were returning from a business trip to the 131st ensign with a driver and decided to stop at some roadside gate. Have a snack, so to speak.
                Prapor still accepted German beer.
                Special communications - both with weapons.
                The ensign PM in a holster, the fighter has an AK-74 on his shoulder.
                Have a snack, drink, let's go.
                We arrived at the unit and found that he had forgotten the AK driver in the gate. laughing
                They rushed back. And the German didn't see anything, I don't know anything ...
                Prapor in the Union, a soldier in the penal battalion ...
                Have a snack ...
                1. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 14 June 2021 17: 56
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                  Quote: Gunfighter95
                  Reminded ...
                  Our neighbors alienated the special communications regiment somehow.
                  We were returning from a business trip to the 131st ensign with a driver and decided to stop at some roadside gate. Have a snack, so to speak.
                  Prapor still accepted German beer.
                  Special communications - both with weapons.
                  The ensign PM in a holster, the fighter has an AK-74 on his shoulder.
                  Have a snack, drink, let's go.
                  We arrived at the unit and found that he had forgotten the AK driver in the gate. laughing
                  They rushed back. And the German didn't see anything, I don't know anything ...
                  Prapor in the Union, a soldier in the penal battalion ...
                  Have a snack ...

                  Kick-ass!
                  We had a rule - when receiving a weapon, the belt was removed and left in the weapon. So that the weapon is always in hand. On the "run", in the field, everywhere - a weapon in hand. It got to the point that the soldiers woke up at night in the barracks because in a dream it seemed that there was no machine gun in their hands laughing By the way, I served in Ohrdruf for a while, so almost neighbors hi
  11. Alexey G
    Alexey G 29 May 2021 00: 01
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    Nice pistol! I have been following him for a long time, maybe he will come to us in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, then I will shoot in the shooting range. I especially like the handle, so the hand reaches out to take it! Well done Kalash! Lebedev sounds and looks beautiful!
  12. Clone
    Clone 29 May 2021 00: 39
    +1
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    A number of FSB units will disagree with you

    And their gum tastes better and their jeans are stronger. It is not necessary to store in a heap the piece execution and extras for general armament in case of emergency. Specialists can even walk in peacock feathers and decorate their cap with rhinestones ... the troops don't even need to fuck it. First of all, simplicity, reliability, mass replacement of faults and an unlimited number of power supplies.
  13. Clone
    Clone 29 May 2021 00: 46
    +1
    Quote: Stroibat stock
    Why fence a garden with a new pistol for the National Guard?

    Ha! And how to use budget funds? New uniform, new equipment, new weapons ... For specialists - no questions asked! But why do the rest of the "guard" need a reinforced cartridge with an increased amount of ammunition in the store? Secret meaning ...
    1. D16
      D16 29 May 2021 08: 24
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      And how to use budget funds?

      Not only master, but also beat off, for example, on export orders. Again, clubs, shooting galleries, all sorts of athletes who buy weapons for their own.
      But why do the rest of the "guard" need a reinforced cartridge with an increased amount of ammunition in the store? Secret meaning ...

      Don't look for a black cat in a dark room, especially if it's not there. The gun must have certain market prospects. Without the above, there are no prospects. He simply cannot compete with the Glocks-Chesets.
    2. hhurik
      hhurik 29 May 2021 14: 10
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      The troops of the National Guard of the Russian Federation are the totality of, as you put it, "specialists". I suspect that there are usually most of them in the law enforcement agencies, simply because of the territorial distribution among the objects of operational services. For they were created from the Internal Troops, special rapid reaction units, mobile special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia and a number of other units that were part of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia, while preserving their tasks and functions.
  14. Mark kalendarov
    Mark kalendarov 29 May 2021 15: 17
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    An unnecessary competition!
    A pistol for the police should be 7-8 rounds (do not fight, but if more - call the special forces) and 45 caliber because you need a powerful stopping action, not a hole punch. And that's it! Everything else is from the evil one ... Puffiness, pride, boasting, pseudo-patriotism and cutting the budget dough !!!
  15. Gunther
    Gunther 29 May 2021 17: 17
    +2
    Quote: silver169
    And what have ankle boots got to do with it? Do you even wear footcloths with boots? This is already quite the limit of insanity. Is it possible that Russia has not yet learned how to sew normal socks for servicemen?

    From my own experience, I think that footcloths are much more comfortable for the legs and more practical than socks, but if hands grow like an octopus, then socks are more comfortable, they can be put on quickly.
  16. Gunther
    Gunther 29 May 2021 22: 55
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    Quote: Doliva63
    And what is wrong with the PM with the resource?


    did he say that the PM has something wrong with the resource?))))))

    guaranteed resource for PM - 6 thousand shots

    Glock's guaranteed resource -10 thousand
    shots.

    how much does the MPL have?
  17. senima56
    senima56 30 May 2021 14: 38
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    I think this is the most beautiful pistol ever created in the USSR and Russia! good
  18. Sedoy
    Sedoy 2 June 2021 23: 19
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    well, where are the guards without a glushak ... :)
    1. Alexfly
      Alexfly 5 July 2021 11: 09
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      Yes, it does not Glushak gendarmes ....... quietly as necessary .... And, judging by the latest decision of the Duma thoughtless, Farewell to arms for its citizens .. How the power loves his people? This is a rhetorical question for any government on the planet ..
  19. senima56
    senima56 26 July 2021 18: 51
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    All the same, a very beautiful pistol turned out! good I think this is the most beautiful pistol ever created in the USSR and Russia! Dmitry Lebedev - State Prize! drinks
  20. Recoil
    Recoil 20 August 2021 18: 04
    -3
    Aroused interest, but nobody needs the fuck, except for the corrupt officials of the Russian Guard and the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
    There is only one benefit from these submarines - we are waiting for the debris to start shooting from them.
    The main thing is that b 9x19 mastered the temporal bone