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"Helicopter cost lower than analogs": Turkey calculates prices for T129 ATAK

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"Helicopter cost lower than analogs": Turkey calculates prices for T129 ATAK

The products of the Turkish defense industry are gradually entering the world market. Its next customer was the Philippines, which purchased six T129 ATAK helicopters. The first two vehicles are expected to be delivered in September this year.


Their cost and combat effectiveness attract the attention of potential customers.

- noted in the Turkish edition of SavunmaSanayiST, pointing out that "ATAK has put an end to Turkey's dependence on foreign suppliers in this area" [nevertheless, the US is required to export permission for the helicopter].

The first flight of the rotorcraft took place in 2011. To date, the Turkish military has ordered 59 T129 units for $ 3,3 billion ($ 55,9 million per vehicle), and deliveries began in 2014. At the same time, the first samples were equipped with only 20-mm cannons and 70-mm missiles (EDH modification). However, most of them were delivered in the "1st phase" configuration: this version of the helicopters is capable of using CİRİT, L-UMTAS and Stinger missiles.

Finally, the already launched version of the T129 Faz-2 was developed, which has advanced electronic combat systems and communications. They were acquired by the Ministry of Internal Affairs (27 units) after completing an order for 61 units. T129 Faz-1 in shock and reconnaissance versions.

In addition, the Philippines ordered 6 units for $ 285 million ($ 47,5 million per helicopter), and Pakistan ordered 30 T129 helicopters for $ 1,5 billion ($ 50 million per unit).

We can say that the price of an ATAK helicopter is on average $ 50-51 million

- indicated in the publication, having calculated its cost.

For comparison, the price is given for the American-made AH-1Z Viper and AH-64E Apache. Each car was offered to the Philippines for $ 75 and $ 250 million, respectively.

As you can see, the unit cost of the ATAK helicopter is lower than that of its counterparts.

- a conclusion is made in the publication.

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  1. gx200gx
    gx200gx 27 May 2021 19: 36
    +3
    The question is the quality and equipment of the machines!
    1. oleg-gr
      oleg-gr 27 May 2021 22: 19
      +8
      [however, US helicopter export permit is required]. It means that there are important components of the Merikos there. The addiction remains. And this helicopter is called Turkish purely conditionally.
  2. Scipio
    Scipio 27 May 2021 19: 37
    +9
    250 lemons for an Indian, not weakly charged)
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 27 May 2021 19: 48
      +3
      Well, this figure is taken from the ceiling. Apache costs around $ 100 million.

      The United States sold 10 new Apaches to Egypt for $ 1 billion.

      https://www.defenseworld.net/news/26941/Egypt_to_Modernize_43_Apaches_for__2_3B

      https://www.flightglobal.com/helicopters/usa-approves-23bn-refurbishment-package-for-43-of-egypts-ah-64e-apaches/138284.article

      https://www.defensenews.com/global/mideast-africa/2018/11/27/us-clears-apache-sales-for-egypt-missiles-for-qatar/
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 27 May 2021 20: 41
        +1
        And how much did Ka52 go to Egypt?
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 27 May 2021 21: 42
          -1
          They are for the Mistrals, other attack helicopters simply cannot be deployed there without major alterations to the ship.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 27 May 2021 21: 58
            +3
            If Kamov is placed in the Mistral (the height of the hangars was increased there ... then everything else will fit
    2. venik
      venik 27 May 2021 21: 32
      +2
      Quote: Scipio
      250 lemons for an Indian, not weakly charged)

      ========
      Not weak, of course, but this is not a 100-pound cost the turntable itself! Here - the "full package" is definitely included (including training of flight and ground personnel, supply of simulators, spare parts and components, weapons, etc.).
  3. OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 27 May 2021 19: 38
    +2
    Today is the day of Turkey on VO?
    By the way, they have already created their own engine for it, now it is in the testing stage. Several years and will go into the series.

    1. Rageee
      Rageee 27 May 2021 20: 08
      +4
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      Several years and will go into the series.

      will it go? engines for turntables are still a serious topic, from scratch to develop and launch into a series is a non-trivial task even for countries developed in aviation, and here is Turkey without any experience in this matter ... well, wait and see what they launch there)
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 27 May 2021 21: 55
        -3
        Quote: Rageee
        here is Turkey without any experience in this matter


        Licensed assembly with partial production of parts:
        F110 - for F-16
        T700-TEI-701D - for UH-60

        Engines of our own design:
        TEI-TS1400 Turboshaft Engine Development Project
        TEI-PD170 Turbodiesel Aviation Engine
        TEI-PD222ST Turbodiesel Aviation Engine
        TEI-TJ300 Turbojet Engine
        TEI-TJ90 Turbojet Engine
        TEI-PG50 2-Stroke Gasoline Aviation Engine
        TEI-PG50S 2-Stroke Gasoline Aviation Engine
        TEI-TP38 Turboprop Engine
        TEI-TJ35 Turbojet Engine

        Production of blocks and parts for:
        GEnx (Boeing 787 Dreamliner and Boeing 747-8)
        LEAP (Airbus A320neo and Boeing 737 МАХ)
        GE9X (Boeing 777X)
        CFM56 (Boeing 737, Airbus A320 and Airbus A340-200 / 300)
        GE90 (Boeing 777)

        The rest is cardboard:
    2. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 27 May 2021 20: 18
      0
      Are you in a hurry?))) The engine is already there, or so far only beautiful cartoons, how about Karabakh?)))
  4. Lawyer1
    Lawyer1 27 May 2021 19: 41
    +3
    Our helicopters cost about $ 15-20 million each.
    1. Rageee
      Rageee 27 May 2021 20: 10
      +4
      the price tags are really scary .. I don't know how it is now, but earlier for the price of the current attack it was possible to buy a brand new F-16, and the Apache seems to be comparable in price to the F-35, which is nonsense for me winked
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 27 May 2021 22: 05
        -3
        Quote: Rageee
        the price of the current attack could buy a brand new F-16

        Straight bum version of the new F-16 and now you can buy. Used but with the upgrade to the last unit is generally easy.
        Modern helicopters are not very different from airplanes. Even much more complicated than the 3rd generation and the first samples of the 4th generation.
  5. 6erJIblu
    6erJIblu 27 May 2021 19: 45
    +5
    Something I did not understand, does he at least nominally have armor?
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 27 May 2021 20: 19
      +1
      What for? he flies fast)))
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 27 May 2021 21: 59
      +1
      He's like a EuroTiger ...
  6. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 27 May 2021 20: 12
    +1
    F35 level .....
  7. Gado
    Gado 27 May 2021 20: 16
    +4
    Their cost and combat effectiveness attract the attention of potential customers.

    Where and when this helicopter fought, I don’t remember?
    Was it not this helicopter that the Kurds from MANPADS overwhelmed?
    1. Rageee
      Rageee 27 May 2021 20: 56
      +2
      he fought against the PKK and other armed formations, that is, against about the same Papuans against whom Russian aircraft are fighting in Syria, including turntables.
      The Kurds fired Cobra from the anti-aircraft missile systems, but the Attacks also seemed to be hooked, but the car managed to sit down. So the Russian turntables were fired from the anti-aircraft missile systems, does this mean that they are bad?)
      1. Gado
        Gado 27 May 2021 21: 04
        +3
        Therefore, I asked that I had not read where and when this ATAK fought, but why did you call the Kurds Papuans, I don’t know, although I guess.
        So the Russian turntables were fired from the anti-aircraft missile systems, does this mean that they are bad?)

        I see you are drawn to controversy. I am not here, I am out. Russian helicopters have fought, are fighting, and will continue to fight, and in a war one cannot do without casualties.
        1. Rageee
          Rageee 27 May 2021 21: 17
          +2
          Well, it is conventionally accepted to call the Papuans those who can be bombed with impunity from the air, those who have only ancient shilki from air defense means and piece anti-aircraft missiles are far from the first freshness)
          but generally agree wink
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 27 May 2021 22: 02
        +2
        This is a PT helicopter. Against the weapons of Soviet tanks. Like the cobra ..... and the cobra fought a lot both against the partisans and against the Arabs ... as a result, the Americans switched to a stronger Apache. The Turks want the same ..... they licensed what they were given.
      3. Azimuth
        Azimuth 28 May 2021 00: 48
        0
        Dumped the ATTACK ball down, watch the video on the net.
  8. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 27 May 2021 20: 17
    +2
    Hrenasenki - inexpensive)))) 50 lyamas Russia sells combat aircraft. Mattress engines, some components are also imported. Tomorrow, the supplies will be hacked and the helicopters can be safely converted into chicken coops)))
  9. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 27 May 2021 20: 28
    -1
    I thought the super stallion is the most expensive, an Indian is said, this one is exactly at the price of gold by weight! Although the price is written at 52 - 61 million for Duarte, for the fact that Abamka once got it in the tail and in the mane
  10. Wolf
    Wolf 27 May 2021 20: 30
    +1
    The Turks are giving! Ochim interesting helmet (helmet) of the pilot! Is there an additional reality there? As for the engine? Apparently, but a license with the supply of critical components from NATO to "enemies" is possible. What radar and armor is not said. It is necessary to look in a real battle, But the leap in the production of highly technological weapons is evident.
    1. Wolf
      Wolf 27 May 2021 20: 37
      0
      If I chose MI 28 NM for a fight in this class, both for the price and for other parameters, and stuffed ha on the LUX option and without error. wink
      1. Wolf
        Wolf 27 May 2021 20: 45
        0
        Someone makes the pandans of Russia from Turkey? Somebody ??? Separate it from the Krimske War and Napoleon's offensive with EU.
        It takes a little creativity to garbage is all we have already singled out !!! laughing
  11. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 27 May 2021 20: 42
    +1
    The price of fresh Mi28NM is interesting ..... but it has +, which the Turks do not have. Everything is in rubles.
  12. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 27 May 2021 21: 06
    +3
    No, Turkish gas convectors are certainly quite reliable and interesting machines.
    But in terms of helicopters ... I would be careful.
    There are also questions about convectors.
    But, I didn’t expect them to fly! ..
    1. Wolf
      Wolf 27 May 2021 21: 19
      +3
      laughing laughing laughing
      So roughly, but today I really want to talk about history. And when we are already talking about the Turks.
      I don’t know gave the "historians" in Russia wrote on 1 revival of 1804. against the Ottoman Empire of the Serbs? From one country, Russia helped the rebels by the Serbs and strongly. BUT IT IS THAT HISTORY SILENCES THAT THAT A COMPLETE BATTERY OF ARTILLERY OF THE TURKISH ARMY WERE FRENCH AND EVEN WITH FRENCH SOLDIERS AND OFFICERS !!! wink
      1. Wolf
        Wolf 27 May 2021 21: 22
        +1
        Don't worry about killing Serbs and them !!! laughing laughing laughing
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  13. sabakina
    sabakina 27 May 2021 21: 52
    -2
    I looked at this ATTACK and thought .... And they couldn't make it uglier? recourse
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 27 May 2021 22: 04
      -1
      Quite handsome ... the Turks taste better than ours ...
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 27 May 2021 22: 05
        +1
        That was sarcasm?
        1. Rageee
          Rageee 27 May 2021 22: 12
          +2
          why sarcasm? I also like it, it looks better than the same mi35)
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 27 May 2021 22: 14
            0
            Quote: Rageee
            why sarcasm? I also like it, it looks better than the same mi35)

          2. Wolf
            Wolf 27 May 2021 23: 01
            +2
            MI35 flying armored personnel carrier is not of this class. The role is different.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 28 May 2021 07: 11
              0
              And the class is wrong and unnecessary.
        2. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 28 May 2021 07: 12
          +2
          No, not Sarcasm ... look at all the fresh military equipment .... UAVs, for example.
  14. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 27 May 2021 22: 28
    +2
    Analogues are Tiger HAL Mongoose and Cobra?
    1. Rageee
      Rageee 27 May 2021 23: 26
      +3
      this attack is a licensed mongoose with Turkish modifications)
      1. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 27 May 2021 23: 38
        +1
        I really thought that they did something of their own, I thought too well of them on the hike.
        Although for 10 years of infusions, even the Papuans could give birth to something.
        1. Rageee
          Rageee 27 May 2021 23: 44
          +3
          20 years ago, the Turks were Papuans in the military-industrial complex, and now they are already a serious player in the arms market. Yes, they copy or buy production licenses, but their progress is still impressive.
          in a couple of years they will roll out their atak2 turntable completely
        2. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 28 May 2021 07: 13
          +1
          Not everyone can do this. And some peoples fly in a komos on the Buran and then they all fall apart and rejoice.
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  16. Azimuth
    Azimuth 28 May 2021 00: 54
    +1
    So many posts in the discussion of a stupid article, the devil knows which edition.
    Comparing a fat Turkish copy of a light Ialyan Mongoose with an Apache is like comparing a wheelchair with a wheelchair with a BMW of the last series. These are far from classmates and a Turkish hand-made article, and they did not lie next to either American, or our attack helicopters, or European classmates.

    Well, plus the "grief expert edition" with the prices of cars made a mess of mum do not worry
  17. Xlor
    Xlor 28 May 2021 04: 14
    0
    He doesn't even retract the landing gear!
    I can imagine what speed he develops ... wink
  18. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 28 May 2021 07: 15
    0
    Of these cars, I liked the South African version the most .... it was more thoughtful and protected. The Turks had to license it.