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"MQ-9 will not pass the air defense of Russia and China": the US Air Force refuses to purchase the UAV Reaper

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In the United States, a struggle flares up with the leadership of the country's Air Force in connection with its intention to curtail the purchases of MQ-9 Reaper drones.


Our current fleet of MQ-9s is sufficient to meet current and future operational and training needs. No need to buy more drones

- noted the Acting Minister of the Air Force John Roth, indicating that his department intends to look for a replacement for the "Reapers".

The basis for this decision was the Air Force's conclusions about the unsuitability of the Reaper UAV for close combat with a developed enemy. Instead of releasing new MQ-9s, officials are asking for $ 172 million to begin closure of the General Atomics production line in California.

Currently, there are over 300 units. Reaper. At the same time, the Air Force claims that they will not be able to fight Russian and Chinese threats. The funds allocated to finance the acquisition of obsolete UAVs are proposed to be used to create a new platform.

They are not particularly useful against Russia, China, or even the dense air defense systems of Iran and North Korea: they will not be able to pass them. Invest in intelligence and surveillance systems that do have penetration capabilities

- explained Army General Mark Millie, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Marine General Kenneth McKenzie, who oversees US operations in the Middle East as head of US Central Command, said in April that the MQ-9 was "not viable" against high-profile opponents.

The Air Force has given up on developing a successor for the MQ-9 Reaper since the MQ-X program was phased out in 2012. But in 2020, the department returned to consideration of this issue, announcing its intention to replace the "Reaper" in the 2030s.

The Air Force is considering a replacement for the MQ-9 as a family of UAVs that will operate over a wide range in terms of cost and [combat] capabilities.

- indicated in the publication Defense News.

At the same time, General Atomics, the manufacturer of the MQ-9, believes that the old drones have great potential for modernization and should not be abruptly abandoned:

It is the perfect platform for experimentation.


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  1. Palestinian
    Palestinian 27 May 2021 18: 50
    -4
    money laundered and that's it ..... business then))))
  2. OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 27 May 2021 18: 59
    +9
    The MQ-9 was not designed to break through air defense. He is primarily a scout with various means of electronic warfare, OLS, RTR, radar, etc. Strike missions are secondary, only with the conquered air supremacy. About 300 MQ-9s in the Air Force, about 150 MQ-1Cs in the army are more than enough for a decade to come. They are still in the ILC and the Navy, besides.
    New reactive attack UAVs are being created. Here they are for gaining air superiority and breaking through air defense.
    To maintain the relevance of the MQ-1/9, drones are created that are launched from and controlled by these platforms.

    1. Marachuh
      Marachuh 27 May 2021 19: 10
      +11
      Why not make cruise missiles launched by cruise missiles. request
      1. Karpov Ruslan
        Karpov Ruslan 27 May 2021 21: 03
        +6
        lol Laughed heartily!) And so that the cruise missile launched by the cruise missile also launched a cruise missile!))))) And that, in turn, also launched a cruise missile, well, probably already - a mini cruise missile))) In general, fire, you need make flying nesting dolls))))))
        1. Kuroneko
          Kuroneko 28 May 2021 14: 41
          0
          Quote: Karpov Ruslan
          you need to make flying nesting dolls))))))

          In the domestic (forgive me, my God) cinematography, they have long been there.
          Still from the film "Draft":
    2. lucul
      lucul 27 May 2021 20: 01
      -7
      New jet attack UAVs are being created

      It is written in black and white - UAVs are not effective against the developed air defense of Russia.
      Do you not trust the qualifications of amers? )))
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 27 May 2021 20: 24
        +7
        You read the article inattentively:
        "Funds allocated to finance the acquisition obsolete UAV, it is proposed to send to creation of a new platforms. "
        Not UAVs outdated (they, on the contrary, at the very beginning of their careers) - outdated Reaper
        1. lucul
          lucul 27 May 2021 20: 41
          -8
          Not UAVs outdated (they, on the contrary, at the very beginning of their careers) - outdated Reaper

          So the Reaper is one of the most technical UAVs, there is nothing more technologically advanced, the Americans only propose to create more technological ones in the future .... in twenty years.
          )))
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 27 May 2021 20: 44
            +3
            A new generation of large reconnaissance and strike UAVs will
            reactive and stealth. What the Reaper lacks to go through dense AA defenses.
            For example:
            1. lopvlad
              lopvlad 27 May 2021 22: 32
              +3
              Quote: voyaka uh
              A new generation of large reconnaissance and strike UAVs will
              reactive and stealth. What the Reaper lacks to go through dense AA defenses.


              Already at the moment, the destruction of large jet reconnaissance and strike UAVs built using Stealth technology is not difficult for Russia. And the Americans, when designing their weapons, are primarily guided by the confrontation with Russia, as well as when we design our own, we take into account how effective this weapon will be against the army NATO led by the United States.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 27 May 2021 23: 57
                0
                "large jet reconnaissance and strike UAVs built using stealth technology" ///
                ---
                They are not yet available. Prototypes only.
                When the serial ones appear, we will see the appearance of new air defense systems.
                Russia. New modifications of Thors, Buks with other radar models and
                other missiles. There is still time for development.
                1. lopvlad
                  lopvlad 28 May 2021 02: 28
                  +2
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  They are not yet available. Prototypes only.


                  the same F-117 if you throw the pilot out of it and there is the same
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  "large jet reconnaissance and strike UAVs built using stealth technology" ///
                  .
                  Or do you believe in the fairy tale about invisibility? And that very dense air defense will help a large drone to overcome only a huge hypersonic speed.
                  And against these hypothetical hypersonic drones, hypothetical because at the moment the United States does not have hypersonic technologies, it will be necessary to develop new missiles and modifications of the Torah, Bukov. shot down earlier by complexes S-300B4, S-350, S-400).

                  The idea of ​​breaking through enemy air defenses with the help of a swarm of micro drones dropped from an aircraft near the air border of Russia can still be discussed somehow, but the breakthrough of an echeloned enemy air defense on a drone the size of a serial fighter, even on supersonic, is outright stupidity. that the drone should be the size of a transport vehicle, but it must be made using the Stealth technology, because this very word "stealth" makes everything that comes to hand invisible.
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 28 May 2021 12: 15
                    0
                    "enemy on a drone the size of a serial fighter" ///
                    ---
                    In radar, the physical dimensions of the device do not matter.

                    The huge B-2 bomber looks hundreds of times smaller on the radar screens,
                    than the small F-16 fighter.
                    1. sivuch
                      sivuch 29 May 2021 12: 58
                      0
                      Do you at least specify - in cm and dm locations. In meter and, moreover, decameter - the size is very important.
            2. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 27 May 2021 23: 51
              +2
              Loyal Wingman, of course, "promises" to be a "good", scout-drummer "... And stealth, of course," Oh, yes! "... But the jet ... what They may not always be better! Propeller-driven UAVs have one plus ... longer duration of stay in the air ... in certain conditions, better "observation" ...
            3. Viktor Sergeev
              Viktor Sergeev 28 May 2021 09: 11
              +1
              You still have not understood the main message: new UAVs will be much more expensive and you can steal more from them. What kind of breakthrough in the air defense of a country with 1500 warheads can we talk about? The Americans know that for modern wars and Raptors behind the eyes, but new orders are needed. The same story with the F22, 35, they are needed only to steal money, and the F16,15,18 and A10 will fight.
    3. keeper03
      keeper03 27 May 2021 22: 41
      +1
      Information war ! soldier
  3. lopvlad
    lopvlad 27 May 2021 19: 00
    +17
    They are not particularly useful against Russia, China, or even the dense air defense systems of Iran and North Korea: they will not be able to pass them. Invest in intelligence and surveillance systems that do have penetration capabilities


    quite adequate opinion. And then witnesses of a sect of similar drones made in Turkey running around with slogans "Bayraktar will break everyone up"
    1. Rageee
      Rageee 27 May 2021 19: 22
      -4
      Not all of them, of course, but the "saint" Bayraktar did not perform his tasks very badly ...
      inflicted sensitive losses on Assad's troops, and also made a significant contribution to the destruction of Armenian armored vehicles and infantry.
      1. lopvlad
        lopvlad 27 May 2021 22: 21
        +4
        Quote: Rageee
        but the "saint" Bayraktar performed his tasks very well


        in one year in Syria and Libya lost more than 20 pieces worth more than $ 4 million apiece.
  4. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 27 May 2021 19: 07
    +6
    "They are not particularly useful against Russia" ...
    Quiet you, do not yell!
    Before it's too late, these drones can be snatched by the allies, Poland, Lithuania, Georgia, etc. laughing
    1. Rageee
      Rageee 27 May 2021 19: 29
      -9
      Well, in such a way, one can say that the technique that Russia invaded Armenia was not particularly useful against Azerbaijan))
      the omnipotent rab and the Torahs could not suppress the use of Turkish and Israeli UAVs snatched into Azerbaijan laughing
      1. Maikcg
        Maikcg 27 May 2021 22: 15
        +6
        Did Armenia really fight? Here's the miraculous news from an alternate reality.
  5. Mouse
    Mouse 27 May 2021 19: 14
    +5
    officials ask for $ 172 million to start production line closure

    Nice ... and then they will convince you that the production line is needed like air and ask for three times more?
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 27 May 2021 19: 21
      -1
      There is an error in the article. This is compensation for the refusal to buy the US Air Force MQ-9. In addition to them, there are foreign orders, the ILC and the Navy. The production line itself will operate for many years to come.
      1. Mouse
        Mouse 27 May 2021 19: 25
        +4
        So believe the media after this ..... belay
  6. isv000
    isv000 27 May 2021 19: 40
    +4
    Oops! The DPRK is now a high-class adversary - as soon as the Yankees were sent along the forest road, and that's it! - you are in trend! lol
  7. Crabong
    Crabong 27 May 2021 19: 41
    0
    Are they cutting costs? Something looks like ... Now in the army, then in the navy, then in the Air Force, something is being cut ...
  8. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 27 May 2021 19: 52
    +1
    The basis for this decision was the Air Force's conclusions about the unsuitability of the Reaper UAV for close combat with a developed enemy.

    This is either a bad translation or some kind of nonsense.
    When was this MQ-9 being prepared for close combat?
    A strange article, without a named source of information.

    April 27 "Тhedrive.com"
    The United States Marine Corps says it has begun the process of decommissioning all of its RQ-21 Blackjack drones as he shifts his focus to other unmanned platforms including the MQ-9 Reaper and V-Bat ... The decision, which is part of a radical initiative to restructure the military, was made despite the fact that the RQ-21s are relatively young and programs are underway to enhance their sensory capabilities.
    April 27 "Тhedrive.com"

    The US Air Force has begun modernizing its MQ-9 Reaper drone fleet. The drone, successfully used in the fight against insurgents, is vulnerable to air defense and electronic warfare systems of more equipped opponents, Flight Global reports. The device will receive a modular design and new weapons.

    The US Air Force on Wednesday announced the placement of the first order for the modernization of the MQ-9 for "Multi-Domain Operation" (M2DO). The M2DO version will allow these drones to remain relevant until the end of MQ-9 service, scheduled for 2035.

    MQ-9 M2DO will receive "additional features" that will allow you to maintain control of the drone in flight. Probably, we are talking about additional containers that will help withstand interference from electronic warfare.

    Also, the upgraded MQ-9 will receive an on-board network of increased power, and an open architecture. This will make it possible to quickly adapt the platform for new types of payloads. The new weapons will complement the upgraded sighting system with IR and electro-optical channel, which will allow the use of new high-precision weapons. All this will allow the MQ-9 to remain relevant until the creation of a new MQ-Next UAV, which is at an early stage of development.

    Then the meaning of the article is completely opposite. hi
    1. lucul
      lucul 27 May 2021 20: 03
      -5
      This is either a bad translation or some kind of nonsense.
      When was this MQ-9 being prepared for close combat?

      It meant direct contact with the enemy)))
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 27 May 2021 20: 10
        +1
        Quote: lucul
        It meant direct contact with the enemy)))

        In close combat, against an infantryman armed with a sapper shovel, the "Reaper" will not survive. request
        1. lucul
          lucul 27 May 2021 20: 15
          +1
          In close combat, against an infantryman armed with a sapper shovel, the "Reaper" will not survive.

          Russian is not native or what? ))))
          It meant direct contact of the Reaper with the enemy's air defense zone, or a meeting with an enemy aircraft in the air.
          But in your head, close combat is a fight only with the help of sapper shovels in the trench)))
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 27 May 2021 20: 24
            -2
            Quote: lucul
            Russian is not native or what? ))))

            Slushi, you guessed it, eh?

            Quote: lucul
            direct contact with the enemy's air defense zone, or a meeting with an enemy aircraft.

            It's time to abandon all UAVs. No one will survive such a meeting.
            For this, modernization is being undertaken, orders have already been placed.
            Another 15 years "Reaper" to work, no less. hi
            1. lucul
              lucul 27 May 2021 20: 50
              0
              It's time to abandon all UAVs. No one will survive such a meeting.

              Consumable material.
              For this, modernization is being undertaken, orders have already been placed.
              Another 15 years "Reaper" to work, no less.

              With his level of technology, the wunderwaffe did not work)))) We must wait for a new leap in technology)))
              But the Reaper was created as invisible for air defense)))
              1. A. Privalov
                A. Privalov 27 May 2021 21: 04
                -2
                Quote: lucul
                MQ-9

                The MQ-9 was designed as a modular reconnaissance and strike UAV. Point.

                Wunderwaffle / not wunderwaffle, worked / failed ...
                He has been serving for 14 years. Produced more than 270 units, is in service with the armies of five countries.
                To this day, the Russian Federation does not have anything even close in class to this device.
                So, an attempt to postebatsya is not credited.

                Apparently, you cannot say anything intelligible on the topic of the article. So, I dare not delay any longer. hi
                1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                  Sergey Aleksandrovich 27 May 2021 21: 24
                  +2
                  That is, you are seriously going to provide some kind of effective attack on a glider during the Second World War against the air defense of Russia? Do you seriously think that there will be nothing to detect and bring down?
                  Or has the success of Mathias Rust overshadowed everything for you, and you expect to be repeated?
                  I hasten to disappoint you, such drones will shoot down unmanned missiles and shells, and much cheaper.
                2. lucul
                  lucul 27 May 2021 21: 25
                  0
                  Apparently, you cannot say anything intelligible on the topic of the article. So, I dare not detain any longer

                  As a true liberal - when there is nothing to cover, declares the opponent incompetent))))
                3. Alexander Seklitsky
                  Alexander Seklitsky 28 May 2021 03: 44
                  -1
                  Well, we have no aircraft carriers, for example. But this does not mean that we are behind, it means that it is not very relevant for us.
              2. lisiy prapor
                lisiy prapor 28 May 2021 09: 54
                0
                Quote: lucul
                But the Reaper was created as invisible for air defense

                Screw "invisible"? Tell us. about the laws of physics of your universe.
                1. lucul
                  lucul 28 May 2021 10: 47
                  +1
                  Screw "invisible"? Tell us. about the laws of physics of your universe

                  Uh-huh, from radio-transparent composites, no?
  9. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 27 May 2021 19: 57
    -1
    On which side were the United States, when UAVs were massively used in Idlib, and Armenia Azerbaijan? What made such a strange decision? Or the Greek C 300 does not let the Reaper pass from all angles. Where did they test the Reapers on a layered air defense system? Everyone is cutting down everywhere, really " The Death Star "are going to build. It is not good!
  10. rocket757
    rocket757 27 May 2021 20: 07
    0
    The Air Force is considering a replacement for the MQ-9 as a family of UAVs that will operate over a wide range in terms of cost and [combat] capabilities.
    ... And sho is not so? Flight commanders know better .....
  11. Warhead-xnumx
    Warhead-xnumx 27 May 2021 20: 11
    0
    When will unmanned tanks appear? Why are they worse than planes?
  12. Puppeteer 111
    Puppeteer 111 27 May 2021 20: 36
    +2
    How I like to compare the information that comes here with the original source)))
  13. orionvitt
    orionvitt 27 May 2021 22: 16
    0
    The MQ-9 is "not viable" against high-profile opponents.
    Which I have always stated. However, there are still a lot of experts on the forum who literally pray for "drones are our everything", "drones are our future" and other garbage. Citing bayraktars in armenia as an example, comparing the air defense of some unknown person with the air defense of Russia.
  14. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 28 May 2021 08: 11
    0
    Let them buy from the Turks the best in the world, though against popuas without air defense standards of an echeloned system.
  15. amr
    amr 29 May 2021 11: 24
    0
    Quote: lucul
    As a true liberal - when there is nothing to cover, declares the opponent incompetent))))

    I, as a person from the outside, re-read your skirmish ... I do not know, liberal Privalov, a Jew, a Zionist, a puppet of American imperialism, but he answers reasonably, on the merits and on the topic, and apparently he understands it. You are so talking nonsense to listen to you, at the end you are still trying to make him look like an idiot)))
    ... even recently it turns into a bazaar