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“We do not want to share the fate of the Kursk submarine's crew: submariners from the Orzeł diesel-electric submarine of the Polish Navy sent a letter to the press

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The Polish media publish a letter, which was sent to different editions by sailors - members of the crew of the submarine ORP Orzeł. This is the only submarine that currently remains in service with the Polish Navy. The submarine belongs to the project 877E. Previously (in one of News for April this year) "Voennoye Obozreniye" reported that the diesel-electric submarine (diesel-electric submarine) Orzeł had actually lost its combat capability - it had problems with torpedo tubes.


What do the crew members of this submarine write in their letter?

Gazeta Wyborcza, talking about a letter from Polish sailors, writes that they reproach the country's government for the inadequate state of the underwater fleet.

From the letter:

We, sailors from the crew of the last submarine of the Polish Navy ORP Orzeł, ask to publish this message. Our lives are at stake. We are risking our lives in the mindless marketing campaign of the Polish government.

It is noted that the letter was sent to the Polish media without the consent of the command.

From the letter:

We believe that it is the actions of the command and the authorities, combined with absolute incompetence, that have led to a situation in which the life of submariners is in danger.

The letter says that the Orzeł submarine is in extremely poor technical condition:

Every outlet to the sea is a tape measure. The submarine leaks, there is a danger of flooding and, accordingly, the death of the entire crew.

Polish sailors report that during the maneuvers in which the diesel-electric submarine took part a few days ago, there were problems with surfacing:

These problems are associated with the technical condition of the ballast tanks. Only miraculously managed to surface. And only by a miracle no one was hurt.



In the letter, Polish submariners write about the presence of numerous problems with the navigation unit, with the power supply system, with the sonar, with the torpedo tubes. From a letter sent to the press:

Even the communication system is not working properly. In general, it is strange that a boat goes out to sea in this state.

It is noted that long-term repairs did not solve the key problems. At the same time, it is added that the command of the Polish Navy decided to turn a blind eye to numerous technical problems and accepted the boat after "repair".

Orzeł submarine crew:

We do not want to share the fate of the Kursk submarine crew, as well as the fate of the Argentine submarine San Juan or the Indonesian Nanggala-402. Yes, this is part of our service. And we are ready to give our lives for Poland, but let it be the result of hostilities to defend our country, and not the result of mediocrity and whims of the authorities.

This letter was published by several Polish publications at once, including Wirtualna Polska.
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  1. andrewkor
    andrewkor 27 May 2021 10: 12
    +3
    America is going to write off Ohio, so let them sell it to the pshek, so they will be formed!
    1. Blacksmith 55
      Blacksmith 55 27 May 2021 10: 17
      +6
      Polish boat, and what does the USA have to do with it
      1. knn54
        knn54 27 May 2021 11: 04
        +6
        The boat is one, but the Polish Navy has a diesel-electric submarine division. Where would you like to put the chief and Co?
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 27 May 2021 13: 43
          +2
          mediocrity and whims of the authorities

          The bosses do not forgive such words
          laughing
          1. mole
            mole 27 May 2021 17: 23
            +1
            This is in "abnormal" countries, but they are "adequate"! Mega-democratic, so let them decide the question.
        2. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 28 May 2021 15: 13
          +1
          There are also Cobbens.
        3. Metallurg_2
          Metallurg_2 28 May 2021 21: 18
          +1
          Let them ask the Sumerians - they have 14 admirals and generals of the coastal service for one slow-moving patrol boat and a dozen inflatable boats. They will help to attach.
      2. isv000
        isv000 27 May 2021 11: 40
        +1
        They could have thrown it off the master's shoulder, for the greens, of course ...
      3. orionvitt
        orionvitt 27 May 2021 13: 40
        +4
        Quote: Blacksmith 55
        Polish boat, and what does the USA have to do with it

        Speaking about Poland (and not only), you always need to understand that the United States is there for everything. Especially with regard to politics and even more so the armed forces.
        1. val43
          val43 28 May 2021 09: 33
          0
          Speaking about Poland (and not only), you always need to understand that the United States is there for everything. Especially with regard to politics and even more so the armed forces.

          Anything can be understood and understood. But it was the command of the Polish Navy that took over the boat and there is no need to cast a shadow over the fence.
    2. Anachoret
      Anachoret 27 May 2021 10: 25
      +19
      Meanwhile, Dudachek talks about the abnormality of the neighbors)
      they would have sorted it out in their own garden, otherwise the cattle are all ragged))
      1. Machito
        Machito 27 May 2021 10: 34
        +2
        It is time for the Poles to send the last submarine on the pins and needles.
        1. isv000
          isv000 27 May 2021 11: 38
          +1
          Why do they need a choven, they have feisty trawlers ...
    3. aleks neym_2
      aleks neym_2 27 May 2021 12: 13
      0
      And what will this "elephant" do in the Baltic? To deepen the bottom or cook sprats?
  2. Mouse
    Mouse 27 May 2021 10: 16
    +11
    The US Navy decided to turn a blind eye to numerous technical problems, and took over the boat after "repair".

    The owner said to the bottom .... means to the bottom .... yes
  3. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 27 May 2021 10: 18
    +4
    I don’t believe these are not Polish submariners, especially over the heads of their superiors. NATO does not have bad submarines, there cannot be such a thing for light-faced ones. These are Russian hackers undermining the combat readiness of Poland !!! Definitely. wassat
    1. isv000
      isv000 27 May 2021 11: 37
      +3
      A Soviet-made boat - so the leftmost one has been found ...
    2. Alex777
      Alex777 27 May 2021 19: 16
      +2
      These are Russian hackers undermining the combat readiness of Poland !!!

      Nefig them next to SP-2 run around.
      Otherwise, you can really go to the bottom. bully
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 27 May 2021 10: 20
    +2
    This letter was published by several Polish publications at once, including Wirtualna Polska.
    ... What was it?
    1. For example
      For example 27 May 2021 11: 29
      +4
      This is the work of the modern media.
      Race to spread any information wishing to raise the rating.
      Loot, loot, loot ...

      In a week, no one will remember these sailors.
      Moreover, there are no blacks on the submarine.
      And now the main thing is not to offend blacks. wassat
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 27 May 2021 11: 48
        0
        Suppose, admirals, Polish, you can understand ... the boat is old, but they have prospects of getting new ones ???
        1. notingem
          notingem 27 May 2021 16: 48
          0
          There is a prospect of getting a very old one. Type "Remove periscope"
    2. cniza
      cniza 27 May 2021 11: 32
      +3
      hi
      This is a cry - save our asses, so their master teaches ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 27 May 2021 11: 47
        +3
        Welcome soldier
        If something is written, it means they paid for it, who needs it!
        It is obvious that the naval submarines want new submarines ... and it is not for us to judge by what methods they achieve this.
        1. cniza
          cniza 27 May 2021 11: 55
          +4
          So we don't seem to judge, we are discussing their letter, this is their business and let them solve their problems as they want ...
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  5. Tagan
    Tagan 27 May 2021 10: 22
    +10
    And, is this the same submarine fleet in full force that bravely fought with our pipelayers?
    1. isv000
      isv000 27 May 2021 11: 36
      +1
      There was a chain-fighting trawler ...
  6. iouris
    iouris 27 May 2021 10: 42
    +2
    It looks like it was with Kaczynski's plane. This is the Polish system, however.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 27 May 2021 10: 48
    +5
    We sailors from the crew the last submarine of the Polish Navy...
    What a great start to a letter, you will read it. Since things are so bad, then stay at the pier, and do not rattle with iron "holding back" Russia.
  8. Per se.
    Per se. 27 May 2021 10: 52
    +4
    "We do not want to share the fate of the crew of the Kursk submarine"
    For such a bitter fate, for the boat of pshek "Toledo" from "Memphis" must first walk next to each other.
    1. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 28 May 2021 15: 21
      +1
      Toledo.
      Not Memphis, nothing to do with Memphis.
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 31 May 2021 06: 22
        0
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        Not Memphis, nothing to do with Memphis.

        Alexander, in any case, the Americans went in pairs, from which arose cause and effect. I do not know why in your statement "Toledo", if this boat was damaged (in a collision), and it was covered by "Memphis", which released the MK-48. From a "ram" in a collision, it is unlikely that the "Course" would have been sunk.
        By the way, the commander of the Memphis boat was Lyachin's longtime rival. This boat grazed the Kursk during the NATO aggression against Yugoslavia, Lyachin then broke away from the Memphis, went into the Mediterranean Sea.

        Perhaps the Anglo-Saxon bastard had scores against the "Kursk" on the basis of wounded pride, perhaps just an executive and cowardly bastard. I think Admiral Popov wanted to look him in the eye, and he did it, as he said later. However, Popov not only had to look the American in the eye, but also those who, in fact, betrayed our crew, let them perish as unnecessary witnesses.
        1. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 31 May 2021 09: 55
          +2
          There, most likely, it was somewhat different.

          Try to find data on who commanded Toledo that year and what became of him.

          And where was the boat until the end of 2001. Memphis most likely simply did not participate in the events. I was just there.
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 31 May 2021 14: 17
            0
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            Try to find data on who commanded Toledo that year and what became of him.
            Thanks, look.
            1. Per se.
              Per se. 31 May 2021 14: 53
              0
              There were three signals similar to explosions - two blows and one explosion.

              The Shkval-2 strike on the Memphis hull, the Shval-2 strike on the Kursk hull (the hole in the starboard side remained, it was not cut off) and the explosion of the MK-48 torpedo in the Kursk bow. It's all.
              The main thing is that the men were able to shut down the reactors even after the explosion. For almost a day, the Kursk propeller was near the surface and gradually, gaining water, sank to the ground. The Kursk is 154 meters long, and its depth is only 83 meters. If the "Toledo" had not fired a torpedo, the "Kursk" would have simply floated up as expected - it began to blow through the ballast tanks, so the "ear" (acoustician) did not hear the torpedo.
              It's a matter of Navy's honor to deal with the Toledo. Not a single American ship that caused the death of any of our boats is sailing, everything is at the bottom, except for the Toledo.
              1. timokhin-aa
                timokhin-aa 1 June 2021 12: 53
                +2
                This is not entirely true.
                Here is the ceiling of what could have been uncovered without being hit by the hammers.
                https://vz.ru/society/2020/8/12/1054447.html
                1. Per se.
                  Per se. 2 June 2021 06: 46
                  0
                  Alexander, I dug a lot of things, the above quote is not entirely correct, I agree, there is only one thing in it - the emphasis on Toledo.
                  Otherwise, there are two directions, where everything is either brought down on the torpedoes and the crew itself, plus on the admirals (this is, in fact, to the official version), or - the boat was sunk by the Americans. Here, where "Memphis", where "Toledo" ... I agree that "Toledo". The commander of the Memphis was awarded, and he went up for promotion, the commander of the Toledo, Robert Willis, was drowned on vacation ...
                  The story is muddy, I do not believe in the official version and the smooth songs of the scribblers to it.
                  Any commander would personally check everything himself, if there were problems before torpedo firing, and Lyachin had experience and the best crew. Another anniversary is coming soon, maybe you can find something to say on the site?
  9. Tarasios
    Tarasios 27 May 2021 11: 07
    0
    The Poles should not complain, but hastily adopt the experience of another great European power on a similar issue. Which successfully and reliably prevented the possibility of flooding, having welded its only "pidvodny choven" tightly to the pier.
  10. v.tochenn
    v.tochenn 27 May 2021 11: 14
    +2
    Let them rent the dill, they are allies and they will be happy.
    1. uav80
      uav80 27 May 2021 13: 06
      +1
      The Naval Forces have not had it for a long time ...
      In 2014, the boat with the majority of the crew transferred to the service of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. Later, the boat was transferred to storage. it is morally and physically outdated, it was never accepted into the Black Sea Fleet, but simply written off
    2. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 27 May 2021 14: 00
      +2
      This "choven" is very similar to the whole of Ukraine. He can't even drown because the cormorants have shit inside.
  11. Warhead-xnumx
    Warhead-xnumx 27 May 2021 11: 15
    +9
    From a purely human point of view, these people can be understood. Not a war, after all, peacetime, but here every time is like the last.
  12. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 27 May 2021 11: 25
    +1
    Our proud "Varyag" does not surrender to the enemy, sorry "Eagle")))) when I say that the submariners of NATO countries, very cautious guys, avoiding unnecessary risks, draw me "-". And citizen Timokhin tells me tales, in the style of Tom Clancy, that all mattress submariners - suicide bombers - kamikaze, only dream of how - to ditch as quickly as possible. Why go at full speed, at shallow depths, with 20 feet under the keel. I even sent an enticing picture))) I think that this "letter of the Cossacks to the Turkish Sultan" will return the citizen Timokhin to our galaxy)))
    1. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 28 May 2021 15: 21
      0
      Madman, and here the Americans are Poles.
      The second point is that they go out to sea, even on a crumbling boat, which cannot even float up normally.

      submariners - suicide bombers - kamikaze, only dream of how - to ditch as quickly as possible.


      How else to call these Poles?

      Why go at full speed, at shallow depths, with 20 feet under the keel.


      They walk. Only a guy with your brain will not be able to understand anything even if it is shown to him personally.
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 28 May 2021 16: 18
        -1
        It's been a long time since you were there, citizen Timokhin))) somehow it became boring. What is the fundamental difference between mattress toppers and pshek? Or maybe Poland has already left NATO?)))
      2. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 28 May 2021 16: 20
        -1
        PySy. If the boat cannot surface normally, how did they surface? Or did they surface separately from the boat? And now they are scribbling sentimental scribbles in order to avoid responsibility for the loss of state property))))
  13. APASUS
    APASUS 27 May 2021 11: 26
    +5
    In vain they wrote this in the media, I think the epaulettes will fly now.
  14. cniza
    cniza 27 May 2021 11: 31
    +3
    Even the communication system is not working properly. In general, it is strange that a boat goes out to sea in this state.


    How is it that NATO outpost in the east, dreaming of a territory from sea to sea, and suddenly ... "sailors of the LAST submarine", this is such a forecast and a verdict ... lol
  15. isv000
    isv000 27 May 2021 11: 34
    0
    The Poles have a vivid example from their neighbors - the underwater choven "Zaporizhzha", forward, in the same course. And the boat will remain and the admiral will be well fed.
  16. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 27 May 2021 13: 57
    -1
    It is not good for Panamas to complain. And what if the slaves in the eastern kresy find out? .. They will lose their authority - from Warsaw to Kiev.
  17. Other
    Other 27 May 2021 15: 41
    0
    Oh, as if the Poles know what happened to the Kursk! Why is this comparison with the Kursk in general, and even in an open letter to the press? When you die - then write, so that it will be like with "Kursk"! Poles are such Poles!
  18. Evil 55
    Evil 55 27 May 2021 15: 50
    +1
    True independence .. "the command of the US Navy decided to turn a blind eye to numerous technical problems and took over the boat after the" repair "." And THESE are trying to teach us to build a Navy?
  19. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 27 May 2021 16: 32
    +2
    And we are ready to give our lives for Poland, but let it be the result of hostilities to defend our country, and not the result of mediocrity and whims of the authorities.
    It is bad that these sailors will not understand in any way that the whole policy of today's Poland is based solely on irresponsibility, mediocrity and political whims.
  20. Pereira
    Pereira 27 May 2021 16: 35
    0
    Give it back to the outskirts. They will take it.
  21. Gueuze Ulenspiegel
    Gueuze Ulenspiegel 27 May 2021 18: 21
    0
    Apparently everything is really very bad. As in fact, everything is very bad in many so-called Eastern European armies.
  22. Natalia Kolpakova
    Natalia Kolpakova 27 May 2021 21: 47
    +3
    Poles confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs, comparing their junk with the nuclear submarine "KURSK" K-141
    Nuclear submarine KURSK. K-141, did not drown from old age, but DIED.
    K-141 was commissioned in 1994 and died in 2000.
    ETERNAL MEMORY to all the lost crew members, may their souls rest in HEAVEN!
  23. boris-1230
    boris-1230 27 May 2021 22: 12
    0
    Nobody wanted to die ...
  24. ROSS_51
    ROSS_51 28 May 2021 00: 24
    0
    As I understand it, the guys in a friendly line stepped under the article "On disclosing state secrets .."?
  25. Avior
    Avior 28 May 2021 06: 48
    -1
    the command of the US Navy decided to turn a blind eye to numerous technical problems and accepted the boat after the "repair"

    Why does the USA need this boat?
  26. val43
    val43 28 May 2021 09: 44
    0
    Quote: Natalia Kolpakova
    Nuclear submarine KURSK. K-141, did not drown from old age, but DIED.

    And Putin said - she drowned ...
  27. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 28 May 2021 20: 30
    0
    Well .. guys ...
    With these thoughts in mind, you don't need to serve in the submarine fleet.
    I do not know the state of your SP.
    But, complaining about zhist ...
    Get out of the fleet. If such a sad situation.
    This is encouraged. hi
  28. Synoid
    Synoid 29 May 2021 15: 31
    0
    They remembered about our guys and poured mud on them, which are not suitable for holding a candle.
    a vile nation with a rotten soul, next time (if any) equalize the city to rubble.