“We do not want to share the fate of the Kursk submarine's crew: submariners from the Orzeł diesel-electric submarine of the Polish Navy sent a letter to the press

The Polish media publish a letter, which was sent to different editions by sailors - members of the crew of the submarine ORP Orzeł. This is the only submarine that currently remains in service with the Polish Navy. The submarine belongs to the project 877E. Previously (in one of News for April this year) "Voennoye Obozreniye" reported that the diesel-electric submarine (diesel-electric submarine) Orzeł had actually lost its combat capability - it had problems with torpedo tubes.

What do the crew members of this submarine write in their letter?

Gazeta Wyborcza, talking about a letter from Polish sailors, writes that they reproach the country's government for the inadequate state of the underwater fleet.

From the letter:

We, sailors from the crew of the last submarine of the Polish Navy ORP Orzeł, ask to publish this message. Our lives are at stake. We are risking our lives in the mindless marketing campaign of the Polish government.

It is noted that the letter was sent to the Polish media without the consent of the command.

From the letter:

We believe that it is the actions of the command and the authorities, combined with absolute incompetence, that have led to a situation in which the life of submariners is in danger.

The letter says that the Orzeł submarine is in extremely poor technical condition:

Every outlet to the sea is a tape measure. The submarine leaks, there is a danger of flooding and, accordingly, the death of the entire crew.

Polish sailors report that during the maneuvers in which the diesel-electric submarine took part a few days ago, there were problems with surfacing:

These problems are associated with the technical condition of the ballast tanks. Only miraculously managed to surface. And only by a miracle no one was hurt.

In the letter, Polish submariners write about the presence of numerous problems with the navigation unit, with the power supply system, with the sonar, with the torpedo tubes. From a letter sent to the press:

Even the communication system is not working properly. In general, it is strange that a boat goes out to sea in this state.

It is noted that long-term repairs did not solve the key problems. At the same time, it is added that the command of the Polish Navy decided to turn a blind eye to numerous technical problems and accepted the boat after "repair".

Orzeł submarine crew:

We do not want to share the fate of the Kursk submarine crew, as well as the fate of the Argentine submarine San Juan or the Indonesian Nanggala-402. Yes, this is part of our service. And we are ready to give our lives for Poland, but let it be the result of hostilities to defend our country, and not the result of mediocrity and whims of the authorities.

This letter was published by several Polish publications at once, including Wirtualna Polska.

Comments

[andrewkor]

America is going to write off Ohio, so let them sell it to the pshek, so they will be formed!

[Blacksmith 55]

Polish boat, and what does the USA have to do with it

[knn54]

The boat is one, but the Polish Navy has a diesel-electric submarine division. Where would you like to put the chief and Co?

[Shurik70]

mediocrity and whims of the authorities

The bosses do not forgive such words

[mole]

This is in "abnormal" countries, but they are "adequate"! Mega-democratic, so let them decide the question.

[timokhin-aa]

There are also Cobbens.

[Metallurg_2]

Let them ask the Sumerians - they have 14 admirals and generals of the coastal service for one slow-moving patrol boat and a dozen inflatable boats. They will help to attach.

[isv000]

They could have thrown it off the master's shoulder, for the greens, of course ...

[orionvitt]

Quote: Blacksmith 55

Polish boat, and what does the USA have to do with it

Speaking about Poland (and not only), you always need to understand that the United States is there for everything. Especially with regard to politics and even more so the armed forces.

[val43]

Speaking about Poland (and not only), you always need to understand that the United States is there for everything. Especially with regard to politics and even more so the armed forces.

Anything can be understood and understood. But it was the command of the Polish Navy that took over the boat and there is no need to cast a shadow over the fence.

[Anachoret]

Meanwhile, Dudachek talks about the abnormality of the neighbors)
they would have sorted it out in their own garden, otherwise the cattle are all ragged))

[Machito]

It is time for the Poles to send the last submarine on the pins and needles.

[isv000]

Why do they need a choven, they have feisty trawlers ...

[alex neym_2]

And what will this "elephant" do in the Baltic? To deepen the bottom or cook sprats?

[Mouse]

The US Navy decided to turn a blind eye to numerous technical problems, and took over the boat after "repair".

The owner said to the bottom .... means to the bottom ....

[tralflot1832]

I don’t believe these are not Polish submariners, especially over the heads of their superiors. NATO does not have bad submarines, there cannot be such a thing for light-faced ones. These are Russian hackers undermining the combat readiness of Poland !!! Definitely.

[isv000]

A Soviet-made boat - so the leftmost one has been found ...

[Alex777]

These are Russian hackers undermining the combat readiness of Poland !!!

Nefig them next to SP-2 run around.
Otherwise, you can really go to the bottom.

[rocket757]

This letter was published by several Polish publications at once, including Wirtualna Polska.

... What was it?

[For example]

This is the work of the modern media.
Race to spread any information wishing to raise the rating.
Loot, loot, loot ...

In a week, no one will remember these sailors.
Moreover, there are no blacks on the submarine.
And now the main thing is not to offend blacks.

[rocket757]

Suppose, admirals, Polish, you can understand ... the boat is old, but they have prospects of getting new ones ???

[notingem]

There is a prospect of getting a very old one. Type "Remove periscope"

[cniza]

This is a cry - save our asses, so their master teaches ...

[rocket757]

Welcome
If something is written, it means they paid for it, who needs it!
It is obvious that the naval submarines want new submarines ... and it is not for us to judge by what methods they achieve this.

[cniza]

So we don't seem to judge, we are discussing their letter, this is their business and let them solve their problems as they want ...

[Tagan]

And, is this the same submarine fleet in full force that bravely fought with our pipelayers?

[isv000]

There was a chain-fighting trawler ...

[iouris]

It looks like it was with Kaczynski's plane. This is the Polish system, however.

[rotmistr60]

We sailors from the crew the last submarine of the Polish Navy...

What a great start to a letter, you will read it. Since things are so bad, then stay at the pier, and do not rattle with iron "holding back" Russia.

[Per se.]

"We do not want to share the fate of the crew of the Kursk submarine"

For such a bitter fate, for the boat of pshek "Toledo" from "Memphis" must first walk next to each other.

[timokhin-aa]

Toledo.
Not Memphis, nothing to do with Memphis.

[Per se.]

Quote: timokhin-aa

Not Memphis, nothing to do with Memphis.

Alexander, in any case, the Americans went in pairs, from which arose cause and effect. I do not know why in your statement "Toledo", if this boat was damaged (in a collision), and it was covered by "Memphis", which released the MK-48. From a "ram" in a collision, it is unlikely that the "Course" would have been sunk.
By the way, the commander of the Memphis boat was Lyachin's longtime rival. This boat grazed the Kursk during the NATO aggression against Yugoslavia, Lyachin then broke away from the Memphis, went into the Mediterranean Sea.

Perhaps the Anglo-Saxon bastard had scores against the "Kursk" on the basis of wounded pride, perhaps just an executive and cowardly bastard. I think Admiral Popov wanted to look him in the eye, and he did it, as he said later. However, Popov not only had to look the American in the eye, but also those who, in fact, betrayed our crew, let them perish as unnecessary witnesses.

[timokhin-aa]

There, most likely, it was somewhat different.

Try to find data on who commanded Toledo that year and what became of him.

And where was the boat until the end of 2001. Memphis most likely simply did not participate in the events. I was just there.

[Per se.]

Quote: timokhin-aa

Try to find data on who commanded Toledo that year and what became of him.

Thanks, look.

[Per se.]

There were three signals similar to explosions - two blows and one explosion.

The Shkval-2 strike on the Memphis hull, the Shval-2 strike on the Kursk hull (the hole in the starboard side remained, it was not cut off) and the explosion of the MK-48 torpedo in the Kursk bow. It's all.
The main thing is that the men were able to shut down the reactors even after the explosion. For almost a day, the Kursk propeller was near the surface and gradually, gaining water, sank to the ground. The Kursk is 154 meters long, and its depth is only 83 meters. If the "Toledo" had not fired a torpedo, the "Kursk" would have simply floated up as expected - it began to blow through the ballast tanks, so the "ear" (acoustician) did not hear the torpedo.
It's a matter of Navy's honor to deal with the Toledo. Not a single American ship that caused the death of any of our boats is sailing, everything is at the bottom, except for the Toledo.

[timokhin-aa]

This is not entirely true.
Here is the ceiling of what could have been uncovered without being hit by the hammers.
https://vz.ru/society/2020/8/12/1054447.html

[Per se.]

Alexander, I dug a lot of things, the above quote is not entirely correct, I agree, there is only one thing in it - the emphasis on Toledo.
Otherwise, there are two directions, where everything is either brought down on the torpedoes and the crew itself, plus on the admirals (this is, in fact, to the official version), or - the boat was sunk by the Americans. Here, where "Memphis", where "Toledo" ... I agree that "Toledo". The commander of the Memphis was awarded, and he went up for promotion, the commander of the Toledo, Robert Willis, was drowned on vacation ...
The story is muddy, I do not believe in the official version and the smooth songs of the scribblers to it.
Any commander would personally check everything himself, if there were problems before torpedo firing, and Lyachin had experience and the best crew. Another anniversary is coming soon, maybe you can find something to say on the site?

[Tarasios]

The Poles should not complain, but hastily adopt the experience of another great European power on a similar issue. Which successfully and reliably prevented the possibility of flooding, having welded its only "pidvodny choven" tightly to the pier.

[v.tochenn]

Let them rent the dill, they are allies and they will be happy.

[uav80]

The Naval Forces have not had it for a long time ...
In 2014, the boat with the majority of the crew transferred to the service of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. Later, the boat was transferred to storage. it is morally and physically outdated, it was never accepted into the Black Sea Fleet, but simply written off

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

This "choven" is very similar to the whole of Ukraine. He can't even drown because the cormorants have shit inside.

[Warhead-xnumx]

From a purely human point of view, these people can be understood. Not a war, after all, peacetime, but here every time is like the last.

[TermNachTer]

Our proud "Varyag" does not surrender to the enemy, sorry "Eagle")))) when I say that the submariners of NATO countries, very cautious guys, avoiding unnecessary risks, draw me "-". And citizen Timokhin tells me tales, in the style of Tom Clancy, that all mattress submariners - suicide bombers - kamikaze, only dream of how - to ditch as quickly as possible. Why go at full speed, at shallow depths, with 20 feet under the keel. I even sent an enticing picture))) I think that this "letter of the Cossacks to the Turkish Sultan" will return the citizen Timokhin to our galaxy)))

[timokhin-aa]

Madman, and here the Americans are Poles.
The second point is that they go out to sea, even on a crumbling boat, which cannot even float up normally.

submariners - suicide bombers - kamikaze, only dream of how - to ditch as quickly as possible.

How else to call these Poles?

Why go at full speed, at shallow depths, with 20 feet under the keel.

They walk. Only a guy with your brain will not be able to understand anything even if it is shown to him personally.

[TermNachTer]

It's been a long time since you were there, citizen Timokhin))) somehow it became boring. What is the fundamental difference between mattress toppers and pshek? Or maybe Poland has already left NATO?)))

[TermNachTer]

PySy. If the boat cannot surface normally, how did they surface? Or did they surface separately from the boat? And now they are scribbling sentimental scribbles in order to avoid responsibility for the loss of state property))))

[APASUS]

In vain they wrote this in the media, I think the epaulettes will fly now.

[cniza]

Even the communication system is not working properly. In general, it is strange that a boat goes out to sea in this state.

How is it that NATO outpost in the east, dreaming of a territory from sea to sea, and suddenly ... "sailors of the LAST submarine", this is such a forecast and a verdict ...

[isv000]

The Poles have a vivid example from their neighbors - the underwater choven "Zaporizhzha", forward, in the same course. And the boat will remain and the admiral will be well fed.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

It is not good for Panamas to complain. And what if the slaves in the eastern kresy find out? .. They will lose their authority - from Warsaw to Kiev.

[Other]

Oh, as if the Poles know what happened to the Kursk! Why is this comparison with the Kursk in general, and even in an open letter to the press? When you die - then write, so that it will be like with "Kursk"! Poles are such Poles!

[Evil 55]

True independence .. "the command of the US Navy decided to turn a blind eye to numerous technical problems and took over the boat after the" repair "." And THESE are trying to teach us to build a Navy?

[Vladimir61]

And we are ready to give our lives for Poland, but let it be the result of hostilities to defend our country, and not the result of mediocrity and whims of the authorities.

It is bad that these sailors will not understand in any way that the whole policy of today's Poland is based solely on irresponsibility, mediocrity and political whims.

[Pereira]

Give it back to the outskirts. They will take it.

[Gueuze Ulenspiegel]

Apparently everything is really very bad. As in fact, everything is very bad in many so-called Eastern European armies.

[Natalia Kolpakova]

Poles confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs, comparing their junk with the nuclear submarine "KURSK" K-141
Nuclear submarine KURSK. K-141, did not drown from old age, but DIED.
K-141 was commissioned in 1994 and died in 2000.
ETERNAL MEMORY to all the lost crew members, may their souls rest in HEAVEN!

[boris-1230]

Nobody wanted to die ...

[ROSS_51]

As I understand it, the guys in a friendly line stepped under the article "On disclosing state secrets .."?

[Avior]

the command of the US Navy decided to turn a blind eye to numerous technical problems and accepted the boat after the "repair"

Why does the USA need this boat?

[val43]

Quote: Natalia Kolpakova

Nuclear submarine KURSK. K-141, did not drown from old age, but DIED.

And Putin said - she drowned ...

[petrol cutter]

Well .. guys ...
With these thoughts in mind, you don't need to serve in the submarine fleet.
I do not know the state of your SP.
But, complaining about zhist ...
Get out of the fleet. If such a sad situation.
This is encouraged.

[Synoid]

They remembered about our guys and poured mud on them, which are not suitable for holding a candle.
a vile nation with a rotten soul, next time (if any) equalize the city to rubble.