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Missile defense named winner in war between Hamas and Israel

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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu expressed gratitude to the American side for the weapons, which ultimately saved numerous lives of the country's civilians. US President Joe Biden also recalled his gratitude to Netanyahu in his speech.


The Prime Minister also shared with me his gratitude for the Iron Dome system, which our countries have jointly developed and which saved the lives of countless Israeli citizens, both Arabs and Jews.

- emphasized the US president.

Since the missile defense system was developed by Israel, apparently both the Israeli prime minister and the US president mean the financial participation of Washington by the joint development. Indeed, even when Barack Obama was President of the United States, the American administration allocated about $ 1 billion to Israel to help create the system.

According to the Israeli Air Force, during the conflict, about 4340 missiles were fired from the territory of the Gaza Strip at Israel, including 640 missiles fell in Gaza itself, and the rest still flew to Israel, but in 90% of cases were intercepted by the Iron dome". Thousands of missiles were destroyed in the air, and the missile defense system prevented them from reaching Israeli targets.

It is difficult not to note the contribution of the United States to the organization of Israel's anti-missile and air defense system. To better organize aid in the United States, the corresponding Iron Dome Emergency Resupply Act was even enacted, sponsored by Mark Rubio, Ted Cruise, Tom Cotton and Bill Hagerty of the US Republican Party.

Meanwhile, the American press has long been very unfriendly towards the Israeli missile defense. The Iron Dome could irritate American publicists at the expense of organizing it.

William J. Broad, a science columnist for the New York Times, published an article back in 2013 citing the opinions of experts critical of the Iron Dome. The analyst wrote about half a century stories unsuccessful search in the field of missile defense, and the experts interviewed by him practically doubted the real combat capability of the system.

The $ 40 billion missile defense system has proven unreliable

- wrote in 2014 Los Angeles Times.

However, as the American publicist I. Stoll writes, in the end the experts who commented on the Iron Dome in numerous articles and essays in the American press turned out to be unreliable. The effectiveness of the Israeli missile defense has been tested in practice. One can imagine what the scale of casualties and destruction would have been if not for this system.

True visionaries are those who tried so hard to stop America and our allies from defending themselves,

Stoll stresses as he concludes his post on The Iron Dome.

Four thousand rockets from the Gaza Strip would have turned Israeli settlements into ruins, and the death toll would also have been in the hundreds. The fact that this did not happen is a direct merit of the missile defense system, and Netanyahu, when he thanked the American authorities, spoke sincerely, and by no means out of a desire to impress the inhabitants of the White House. As a result, it was the missile defense system that was named the winner in the war between Hamas and Israel.
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  1. NDR-791
    NDR-791 26 May 2021 14: 41
    +3
    As a result, it was the missile defense system that was named the winner in the war between Hamas and Israel.
    Exactly. Today I just wrote about the winner. Truly so, only with a little clarification. I will repeat a little: How much does one Dome rocket cost? In short, the one who earned on it won and will continue to earn under the laudatory articles of all I. Stolls. The rest all lost
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 26 May 2021 15: 11
      +23
      Quote: NDR-791
      I will repeat a little: How much does one Dome rocket cost?

      Do not repeat yourself, but simply answer: "How much is your life or the life of a loved one?" This is correct when the authorities of the country do not consider the costs to prevent the death of their own citizens. yes
      As a result, it was missile defense system named winner in the war between Hamas and Israel.

      By the way, the Russian layered air defense has not yet passed such a test. I really want to hope that at the right moment she will be at her best.
      1. loki565
        loki565 26 May 2021 15: 23
        +2
        Well, if you consider that half of these pipes flew anywhere and often fell themselves, then of course there are questions. Although there were cases when a dozen missiles flew into the city, and the air defense did not work, they did not even turn on the siren.
      2. Pereira
        Pereira 26 May 2021 15: 25
        .
        As it turns out, it was an agreement. In reality, the Palestinians will push through the dome and did not strive.
        1. xorek
          xorek 26 May 2021 17: 49
          -3
          Quote: Pereira
          As it turns out, it was an agreement. In reality, the Palestinians will push through the dome and did not strive.

          In some ways I agree with you Mikhail ..! All this is strange .. The problem was clearly different for both of them.
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 26 May 2021 21: 39
            +1
            I would suggest the following:
            1. Missiles and interceptor missiles are about to expire. They must be disposed of.
            2. In return for the disposed of, sponsors from both sides will give money for the purchase of a new one.
            Posh business, however.
      3. Ka-52
        Ka-52 27 May 2021 06: 13
        -2
        By the way, the Russian layered air defense has not yet passed such a test. I really want to hope that at the right moment she will be at her best.

        return to reality. Khmeimim was fired at with mines and missile defense systems, plus the use of drones. Taking into account the amount of ammunition to the area of ​​the base, the density of fire was no less than in Israel. When will you unlearn to praise only someone else's?
    2. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 26 May 2021 15: 26
      +19
      Quote: NDR-791
      As a result, it was the missile defense system that was named the winner in the war between Hamas and Israel.
      Exactly. Today I just wrote about the winner. Truly so, only with a little clarification. I will repeat a little: How much does one Dome rocket cost? In short, the one who earned on it won and will continue to earn under the laudatory articles of all I. Stolls. The rest all lost

      I cannot agree with you. If you think so, then why do you need a bulletproof vest for 500 bucks, if a pistol cartridge costs 35 cents?

      Let's take a look at the potential damage. The restoration of one destroyed apartment + payments for property damage + payment for the accommodation of tenants in another place will result in an average of 200 thousand greenbacks. I'm not even talking about the treatment of possibly injured residents, but payments in case of death, for the loss of a breadwinner to children under 18 years of age. And if it is a villa, and if a residential building has apartments for 10-12. Multiply all expenses by 10.
      Each anti-missile missile that destroyed the target got rid of all this, saved many lives, and this is the greatest value.
      1. pepel79
        pepel79 26 May 2021 15: 42
        -3
        no one disputes the value of human lives and property of citizens, but ... there is one caveat. when they pay for these missiles out of someone else's pocket it's super .. I don't want a bullet, but if Israel financed at its own expense, then it would be possible to talk about efficiency. Was it worth it or not.
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 26 May 2021 15: 51
          +14
          Quote: pepel79
          no one disputes the value of human lives and property of citizens, but ... there is one caveat. when they pay for these missiles out of someone else's pocket it's super .. I don't want a bullet, but if Israel financed at its own expense, then it would be possible to talk about efficiency. Was it worth it or not.


          Unfortunately, you are based on misconceptions about the financial relationship between the United States and Israel.
          Several years ago, I wrote an article for VO readers "American Aid to Israel: When, How, and Why?" You can easily find it in my profile. There will be questions, you are welcome. hi
          1. pepel79
            pepel79 26 May 2021 16: 30
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            I read your article. It is interesting, but I did not see anything new for myself. we are not talking about the history of relations between the two countries, at different periods of their interaction, but about the current situation. No one disputes the Israeli military-industrial complex as an independent unit, we are talking about finance. Israel has only meager reserves of minerals and that's all ... The sale of weapons, tourism, agriculture, medicine, etc. do not cover the costs of the state, for the army, police, security forces and means, social programs, etc.
            PS Ukraine also received after the collapse, factories capable of producing from paper clips to aircraft carriers, only sense if there is no funding for orders.
            1. A. Privalov
              A. Privalov 26 May 2021 16: 34
              +11
              Quote: pepel79
              The sale of weapons, tourism, agriculture, medicine, etc. do not cover the costs of the state, for the army, police, security forces and means, social programs, etc.

              Are you serious? Or decided to joke like that? lol
              Apparently you have not read my article completely or carefully.
              1. APASUS
                APASUS 26 May 2021 16: 54
                -5
                Quote: A. Privalov
                Quote: pepel79
                The sale of weapons, tourism, agriculture, medicine, etc. do not cover the costs of the state, for the army, police, security forces and means, social programs, etc.

                Are you serious? Or decided to joke like that? lol
                Apparently you have not read my article completely or carefully.

                I haven't read your material, but I just turned to https://take-profit.org/statistics/government-budget/israel/
                something is not so rosy there!
                1. A. Privalov
                  A. Privalov 26 May 2021 17: 12
                  +7
                  Quote: APASUS
                  I haven't read your material, but I just turned to https://take-profit.org/statistics/government-budget/israel/
                  something is not so rosy there!

                  "I have not read it, but I condemn." (C) A familiar formula.
                  Rainbow, it's only in a dream.
                  Heavenly mana ended 3 thousand years ago. To achieve the rest, you need to work hard and hard.
                  Due to the pandemic, the whole world sank. We are also no exception. We will miss a couple of percent of GDP, and the national debt has increased because it was urgent to buy a vaccine and vaccinate the population. As a result, 75% of adults are vaccinated, we have 20 infected per day. About a hundred patients remained in hospitals. Our pandemic is over. From June 1, according to rumors, all restrictions will be lifted.
                  Which is what I wish you with all my heart. hi
                  1. APASUS
                    APASUS 27 May 2021 08: 38
                    +1
                    Quote: A. Privalov
                    "I have not read it, but I condemn." (C) A familiar formula.

                    There was not even a hint, from what such conclusions?
                    Quote: A. Privalov
                    Which is what I wish you with all my heart.

                    And you do not get sick! hi
                2. And Us Rat
                  And Us Rat 26 May 2021 18: 09
                  +5
                  Quote: APASUS
                  not everything is so rosy

                  Tell me the country for which 2020 was "rosy". fellow wassat
                  Israel still got off cheaply compared to most countries in the world. yes
                  1. APASUS
                    APASUS 27 May 2021 08: 53
                    0
                    Quote: And Us Rat
                    Quote: APASUS
                    not everything is so rosy

                    Tell me the country for which 2020 was "rosy". fellow wassat
                    Israel still got off cheaply compared to most countries in the world. yes

                    Look at the figures, what is the budget deficit, this is not just a problem, but I would say a disaster. And the guys write from Israel that everything is great with them.
                    (this is me once again about the participation of the United States in the life of Israel)
                    1. And Us Rat
                      And Us Rat 28 May 2021 02: 46
                      +1
                      Quote: APASUS
                      I would say a disaster

                      Apocalypse! wassat
            2. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 26 May 2021 18: 05
              +11
              Quote: pepel79
              only meager reserves of minerals and that's it

              Japan has the same, which does not prevent it from being the third economy in the world. fellow

              Quote: pepel79
              The sale of weapons, tourism, agriculture, medicine, etc. do not cover the costs of the state ...

              Of course, they do not overlap, this is done by another 500+ high-tech companies, a quarter of which are international, and another 100+ hedge funds that control several thousand more companies around the world. fellow
              You would have tightened up the basics of the economy so that it would not look so ridiculous.

              Quote: pepel79
              for the army, police, security forces and means, social programs, etc.

              Israel's annual budget is about 110 billion evergreens.
              The budget deficit rarely exceeds 3%.
              Even the "covid crisis" did not do much harm to the country's economy.
              So do not carry unfounded absurdities without understanding the topic. wink
          2. hosekonceko
            hosekonceko 26 May 2021 19: 05
            +1
            Alexander, does the dome really hold a volley of hail?
            1. A. Privalov
              A. Privalov 26 May 2021 20: 36
              +2
              Quote: hosekonceko
              Alexander, does the dome really hold a volley of hail?

              Max, do you really want to kill me?
    3. Anachoret
      Anachoret 26 May 2021 15: 45
      -2
      Missile defense named winner in war between Hamas and Israel

      It would be more correct to say that the suppliers of weapons and ammunition won in this war))
      1. Konnick
        Konnick 26 May 2021 15: 51
        -4
        arms and ammunition suppliers))

        Or maybe they sold rockets to Hamas too? Double margin laughing
        1. Anachoret
          Anachoret 26 May 2021 16: 18
          -2
          since the First World War, this practice has become very widespread))
          In fact, Hitler's Germany was pumped by American companies and American investments with mechanical engineering and chemistry plants even before the war) it is just now rarely remembered aloud)) because even in the current Forbes there are many US enterprises and even in the Dow Jones index there are companies that are involved in the fascist military machine Germany))
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 26 May 2021 17: 34
            -1
            Then all the winning countries had a problem of overproduction - they did not know what to do with military products, what to do with the machines that produced millions of shells and hundreds of millions of cartridges, etc.
            The people poured home from the war, they had to dress, feed and drink - that is. grandmas began to be made with other products, for which it was necessary to build new productive capacities. And the old one had to be thrown off. So they sold machines to everyone - first to the USSR, starting from the late 20s, to Japan, and then to Hitler.
          2. Revolver
            Revolver 26 May 2021 19: 28
            +5
            Quote: Anchorite
            since the First World War, this practice has become very widespread))

            So no one argues. So many evergreen lards were thrown into the plasticines that a second Singapore could be built in Gaza. But they all got into tunnel digging and rocketry. As a result, the rockets were shot, the tunnels were destroyed, they were not built in Gaza, and what was built was demolished by the Israeli counterpart. And Hamas had no missile defense, no, it won't, and they don't need it. It is more important for them that there were more victims and destruction, in order to beg more money from the "world community" for new missiles and tunnels. But their tunneling has developed so much that they could serve the whole of Gaza with such a developed metro network that Moscow never dreamed of.
            1. A. Privalov
              A. Privalov 26 May 2021 20: 21
              +7
              Quote: Nagan
              But their tunneling has developed so much that they could serve the whole of Gaza with such a developed metro network that Moscow could not even dream of.

              Today they held a press conference and announced that they have 500 (five hundred!) Kilometers of tunnels.
              1. Revolver
                Revolver 26 May 2021 21: 46
                +3
                Where is the metro? Netuti? That's just it.
            2. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 27 May 2021 00: 44
              0
              Quote: Nagan
              could serve the whole of Gaza with such a developed metro network that Moscow never dreamed of.

              Do you regret that kids' carriages are not used in the Moscow metro? sad
    4. Thrifty
      Thrifty 26 May 2021 16: 22
      .
      Yeah, the Palestinians just didn't have strike teams to blow up a pair of batteries of these domes, thereby creating a hole in the defense. This dome for the protection of stationary objects, without external sources of information, such as AWACS, it is ineffective, because the time of arrival of the rocket is sometimes seconds. So, an article on advertising failures, in reality, the dome would be quickly carried out with a good rocket, flying not in a straight line, but capable of maneuvering actively throughout the entire flight segment to the target!
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 26 May 2021 16: 45
        +13
        Quote: Thrifty
        Yeah, the Palestinians just didn't have strike teams to blow up a pair of batteries of these domes, thereby creating a hole in the defense.

        If my grandmother had testicles, she would be a grandfather.
        Quote: Thrifty
        This dome for the protection of stationary objects, without external sources of information, such as AWACS, it is ineffective, because the time of arrival of the rocket is sometimes seconds.

        What kind of Avaks can be here? To avoid being laughed at, learn the principle of action and
        TTX system LCD.
        Quote: Thrifty
        So, the article is on the fall of advertising,

        Well, yes, VO has long been an advertising platform for the Israeli military-industrial complex. laughing
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 26 May 2021 18: 14
          +6
          Quote: A. Privalov
          learn the principle of action ...

          Useless. He is not a reader, he is a writer.
          This is a common occurrence when the desire to comment outstrips the thought process. yes
        2. Revolver
          Revolver 26 May 2021 21: 50
          +2
          Quote: A. Privalov
          If my grandmother had testicles, she would be a grandfather.

          A transvestite ... no, a trans woman ... also not that, but in general, something trans, because why else would a grandfather with testicles dress in a woman and declare that it is a grandmother? wassat
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 27 May 2021 00: 49
            -2
            Quote: Nagan
            Why else would a grandfather with testicles dress in a woman's dress and declare that it is a grandmother?

            Duc, it is now profitable in Europ (!), Tolerant, fashionable, in trend! yes repeat
    5. eklmn
      eklmn 26 May 2021 19: 48
      +6
      How much does one Dome rocket cost?

      The Israelis are generally the wrong people! They read from right to left, work on Sundays, go to rest from the south to the north, do not mow from the army, warn the enemy about bombing, when captured they must tell all the information (the main thing is to survive!), Live by the law, and not by their Parliament is a place for discussion, the higher the position, the more difficult it is to excuse themselves from the court, they are zombie-proof from TV, etc.
      Compare with your people ....
    6. mvg
      mvg 26 May 2021 22: 26
      +4
      How much does one Dome rocket cost?

      How much? Answer yourself ... compare with the cost of the Pantsir rocket, which is 2,5 times more expensive, and think about how much the accident at the nuclear power plant in Dimona will cost.
      1. Ka-52
        Ka-52 27 May 2021 06: 19
        +2
        compare with the cost of the Shell rocket, which is 2,5 times more expensive

        give a source of pzhl. Because there is a suspicion that you took the cost figures directly out of thin air. I will not even be surprised at this
        1. mvg
          mvg 27 May 2021 08: 02
          +2
          that the figures for the cost you took directly out of thin air

          40 thousand $ and 100 thousand $. You are an adult, you can google it. These figures have flashed more than once on the VO forum, and from God's chosen ones and at the RF Ministry of Defense.
          1. Ka-52
            Ka-52 27 May 2021 09: 39
            0
            well, that is, there is no evidence. Somewhere, something flashed, google it yourself ... that's the whole argument base for such a loud statement. But I’m not even asking about what basic modification 57E6 we are talking about - the one for domestic consumption or its export version.
            1. mvg
              mvg 27 May 2021 19: 27
              +2
              the basis of such a loud statement
              In 2006, Russia and Syria signed a contract for the purchase of 36 Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft missile-gun systems and 850 9M311 missiles worth about $ 730 million
              PS: The cost of the Shell itself is $ 15 million. Do you need to count, or can you master it? True, there is an Algerian contract, there are unrealistic numbers .. This is for 2006. More expensive now.
              The price tag for ammunition for the Iron Pan was voiced by the Professor, there is no reason not to trust him.
              // https://www.aex.ru/fdocs/1/2012/11/20/21967/ //
              1. Ka-52
                Ka-52 7 July 2021 07: 06
                0
                In 2006, Russia and Syria signed a contract for the purchase of 36 Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft missile-gun systems and 850 9M311 missiles worth about $ 730 million

                In most cases, the delivery kits include spare parts, commissioning and training. So, as an argument, it does not even reach the level of "below the plinth".
                PS: The cost of the Shell itself is $ 15 million. Do you need to count, or can you master it? True, there is an Algerian contract, there are unrealistic numbers .. This is for 2006. More expensive now.
                The price tag for ammunition for the Iron Pan was voiced by the Professor, there is no reason not to trust him.

                where are the numbers of 15 million? Pzhl source. Of course, I will not be able to count numbers out of thin air.
  2. qQQQ
    qQQQ 26 May 2021 14: 43
    +16
    Practice has shown that the system is really good. In my opinion, the most useful thing that distinguishes it from other similar ones is the analysis of the trajectory of the target and, accordingly, whether it is worth bringing it down. At least for simple non-maneuvering objects, this significantly reduces the cost of a shot.
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 26 May 2021 15: 30
      -2
      Quote: qqqq
      Practice has shown that the system is really good. In my opinion, the most useful thing that distinguishes it from other similar ones is the analysis of the trajectory of the target and, accordingly, whether it is worth bringing it down. At least for simple non-maneuvering objects, this significantly reduces the cost of a shot.

      That would be funny, yes, if the system defined the target as not maneuvering with a drop point far in the desert outside the city, and that over the city would maneuver down
      1. qQQQ
        qQQQ 26 May 2021 15: 36
        +3
        Quote: Vol4ara
        That would be funny, yes, if the system defined the target as not maneuvering with a drop point far in the desert outside the city, and that over the city would maneuver down

        It is unlikely, it would be very difficult to bring the rocket to the desired trajectory only in the final section, a very large deviation and, accordingly, huge overloads, this is hardly possible, and it is not necessary.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 26 May 2021 21: 52
          +3
          Quote: qqqq
          it would be very difficult to bring the rocket to the desired trajectory only in the final section, a very large deviation and, accordingly, huge overloads

          And not according to Hamas engineering and technological abilities.
          1. qQQQ
            qQQQ 27 May 2021 08: 42
            +1
            Quote: Nagan
            And not according to Hamas engineering and technological abilities.

            Here it is more about physics, there is very little left to the goal, God knows what a deviation (we pretend to be an ordinary homemade product flying somewhere in the field), and here it is necessary at high speeds, at the minimum time to compensate for all the mistakes with maneuvers, I can't even imagine the level overloads and most likely not a single rocket will withstand them.
        2. mvg
          mvg 28 May 2021 20: 12
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          very large deviation and, accordingly, huge overloads, this is hardly possible, and it is not necessary

          Tomahawk, with TV seeker, with terrain mapping ... at least 90 ° turns. Soon Hamas will have such CDs. And flight in the bend around the surface. Iran does not stand still. They will make a trajectory, bypassing the LCD batteries.
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 27 May 2021 01: 02
      -3
      Quote: qqqq
      Practice has shown that the system is really good. What sets it apart from other similar ones is the analysis of the trajectory of the target and, accordingly, whether it is worth shooting it down.

      Is it good that it has a "calculator"? Mdaaaa ...! "Praise"! 1000 "kassams" were released ... 50% did not shoot down (the calculator allowed ...), 5-10% "kassams broke through (25-50 missiles ...) Even with a relatively simple INS, not 500 would fly at the target, and all 1000 missiles! 5-10%? 50-100 missiles! Twice as many!
  3. Roman 57 rus
    Roman 57 rus 26 May 2021 14: 45
    +18
    Well done, the Israelis, it was not in vain that they prepared.
  4. credo
    credo 26 May 2021 14: 46
    0
    ... The fact that this did not happen is a direct merit of the missile defense system, and Netanyahu, when he thanked the American authorities, spoke sincerely, and not at all out of a desire to impress the inhabitants of the White House ...

    Apparently it was out of the desire to make an impression, and for one thing, and to thank for the next injections, thanked Netanyahu. Why else appeal to the number of downed Palestinian missiles?
  5. sergo1914
    sergo1914 26 May 2021 14: 54
    +3
    I will paraphrase a well-known saying. The best missile defense is your own tank next to someone else's rocket launcher.
    1. sidoroff
      sidoroff 26 May 2021 15: 08
      +8
      we must take into account the specifics of the theater. tanks, M270 MLRS, indiscriminate bombing ... with the corresponding casualties among women and children (as you know, no one else lives in Gaza) you don't really use it. while the "iron dome" reduces losses and destruction to
      some level - the Israeli military will act only pointwise. and then receiving accusations of disproportionate reaction.
      so for every Israeli rescued there are at least 10 Arabs from the Gaza Strip rescued.
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    2. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 26 May 2021 15: 32
      +2
      Quote: sergo1914
      I will paraphrase a well-known saying. The best missile defense is your own tank next to someone else's rocket launcher.

      And many tanks of Armenia broke through to the airfields of Azerbaijan?
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 26 May 2021 15: 38
        +2
        Quote: Vol4ara
        Quote: sergo1914
        I will paraphrase a well-known saying. The best missile defense is your own tank next to someone else's rocket launcher.

        And many tanks of Armenia broke through to the airfields of Azerbaijan?


        What have Armenia and Azerbaijan to do with it? What's the connection?
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 26 May 2021 17: 21
          +1
          Quote: sergo1914
          Quote: Vol4ara
          Quote: sergo1914
          I will paraphrase a well-known saying. The best missile defense is your own tank next to someone else's rocket launcher.

          And many tanks of Armenia broke through to the airfields of Azerbaijan?


          What have Armenia and Azerbaijan to do with it? What's the connection?

          Despite the fact that the tanks of armenia, without air defense, were destroyed like flies, it was not possible to reach the airfields and become better air defense. You can replace the air defense with a pro if it is more convenient for you.
          1. sergo1914
            sergo1914 26 May 2021 19: 07
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            Quote: Vol4ara
            Quote: sergo1914
            Quote: Vol4ara
            Quote: sergo1914
            I will paraphrase a well-known saying. The best missile defense is your own tank next to someone else's rocket launcher.

            And many tanks of Armenia broke through to the airfields of Azerbaijan?


            What have Armenia and Azerbaijan to do with it? What's the connection?

            Despite the fact that the tanks of armenia, without air defense, were destroyed like flies, it was not possible to reach the airfields and become better air defense. You can replace the air defense with a pro if it is more convenient for you.


            The logic is fucking. Counterquestion. How many tanks of Azerbaijan broke through to the airfields of Armenia?
            1. Vol4ara
              Vol4ara 27 May 2021 01: 01
              0
              Quote: sergo1914
              Quote: Vol4ara
              Quote: sergo1914
              Quote: Vol4ara
              Quote: sergo1914
              I will paraphrase a well-known saying. The best missile defense is your own tank next to someone else's rocket launcher.

              And many tanks of Armenia broke through to the airfields of Azerbaijan?


              What have Armenia and Azerbaijan to do with it? What's the connection?

              Despite the fact that the tanks of armenia, without air defense, were destroyed like flies, it was not possible to reach the airfields and become better air defense. You can replace the air defense with a pro if it is more convenient for you.


              The logic is fucking. Counterquestion. How many tanks of Azerbaijan broke through to the airfields of Armenia?

              The logic is that without air defense cover, the tank is a piece of Mr. and can reach the first open clearing. So the tank at the airfield is the best air defense, this is a stupid fantasy of fools. Azerbaijani tanks would have reached the border with Turkey if Pashinyan hadn't pissed into his pants and asked for peace with the surrender of Karabakh.
              1. sergo1914
                sergo1914 27 May 2021 06: 30
                -2
                Quote: Vol4ara
                Quote: sergo1914
                Quote: Vol4ara
                Quote: sergo1914
                Quote: Vol4ara
                Quote: sergo1914
                I will paraphrase a well-known saying. The best missile defense is your own tank next to someone else's rocket launcher.

                And many tanks of Armenia broke through to the airfields of Azerbaijan?


                What have Armenia and Azerbaijan to do with it? What's the connection?

                Despite the fact that the tanks of armenia, without air defense, were destroyed like flies, it was not possible to reach the airfields and become better air defense. You can replace the air defense with a pro if it is more convenient for you.


                The logic is fucking. Counterquestion. How many tanks of Azerbaijan broke through to the airfields of Armenia?

                The logic is that without air defense cover, the tank is a piece of Mr. and can reach the first open clearing. So the tank at the airfield is the best air defense, this is a stupid fantasy of fools. Azerbaijani tanks would have reached the border with Turkey if Pashinyan hadn't pissed into his pants and asked for peace with the surrender of Karabakh.


                Nassali both sides. After the big uncle wrote out all the fatherly bream. Do not flatter yourself. Azerbaijani tanks, at best, would have reached the nearest pillar.
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 27 May 2021 01: 08
        +1
        Quote: Vol4ara
        And many tanks of Armenia broke through to the airfields of Azerbaijan?

        Duc, there are different "nuances"! There are dancers who are hindered by "bells" ... frosts and winter "in general" have prevented the Germans from taking Moscow ... and the Armenian tankers have mountains! request
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 27 May 2021 08: 41
          +1
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Quote: Vol4ara
          And many tanks of Armenia broke through to the airfields of Azerbaijan?

          Duc, there are different "nuances"! There are dancers who are hindered by "bells" ... frosts and winter "in general" have prevented the Germans from taking Moscow ... and the Armenian tankers have mountains! request

          Well, judging by the video, the main nuances were bayraktars
  6. pepel79
    pepel79 26 May 2021 15: 07
    0
    Victory ... high-tech missiles have dealt with Katyusha's granddaughters!?! And what if no less technologically advanced Arab counterparts fly to their sly. And how will he cope financially if even tomorrow it will be 2 times more. The war in Syria has shown that it is necessary to create cheaper methods of protection, it is not for nothing that they want to introduce smaller and more expensive missiles into the Armor and include the Derivation in the air defense, otherwise it is expensive to spend expensive ammunition on handicraft samples.
    1. Petro_tut
      Petro_tut 26 May 2021 18: 20
      0
      And what if no less technologically advanced Arab brothers fly under their noise?
      product brand in the studio
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 27 May 2021 01: 11
        +1
        Quote: Petro_tut
        product brand in the studio

        Look on the Internet, freeloader!
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 27 May 2021 00: 04
      0
      Quote: pepel79
      And what if no less technologically advanced Arab counterparts fly to their sly.

      And what, there are such in nature?
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 27 May 2021 01: 44
        -1
        Quote: Nagan
        And what, there are such in nature?

        There are ... for example, such ...:at one of the Iranian exhibitions they showed materials on the upgraded Kiam-1 missile. Its main differences lie in the design of the head. The latter receives aerodynamic rudders and control systems, due to which it must maneuver and aim at the target in the final phase of the flight.

        At the beginning of this year, the exhibition showed materials on the Khorramshahr-2 project, which provides for the modernization of the already famous missile of the same name. The main difference between the new product is a detachable warhead with its own control systems.

        PS With the Internet, if you do not make friends, then at least you need to maintain friendly relations!
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 27 May 2021 05: 22
          +3
          Well, first of all, the Persians are not Arabs. Secondly, was there not a sickly explosion a few months ago in the office that dealt with missiles?
          PS With the Internet, if you do not make friends, then at least you need to maintain friendly relations!
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 27 May 2021 10: 35
            +1
            Of course, it is necessary to maintain "friendship" ... and turn on the mindset in time to figure out what kind of "connection" exists between Iranian (Persian) missiles and Arab (Palestinian, Lebanese, Yemeni ...) missiles! The Internet is full of descriptions about how and why "Persian" missiles and technologies get to the Arabs! The Palestinians, Lebanese, Yemenis receive Iranian missiles ready-made or almost ready-made ... or they receive Iranian technologies to make "clones" of "Persian" missiles at their home! But you, for some reason, do not know this! But why should I listen to nonsense?
  7. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 26 May 2021 15: 09
    -7
    Four thousand rockets from the Gaza Strip would have turned Israeli settlements into ruins, and the death toll would also have been in the hundreds.

    And 40 thousand home-made missiles, with a warhead of several kilograms, will not be able to turn any settlement into ruins.
    There is practically no difference in casualties and destruction in Israel both before and after LCD, which is easy to verify. We got to the point where we shut down the airport.
    ZhK suffered a final defeat in this war. Only the manufacturers of the dome won.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 26 May 2021 15: 29
      +13
      ", with a warhead of several kilograms" ///
      ----
      A hand grenade contains less than 100 g of explosives.
      If you experienced an explosion at least once in your life
      hand grenades a few meters away, then
      would never be publicly disgraced by such stupid posts.
      1. bk0010
        bk0010 26 May 2021 17: 58
        -7
        Quote: voyaka uh
        If you experienced an explosion at least once in your life
        Come on, compare the country and the person. 4000 rockets, each explosive, say, 10 kg. 40000 kg, 40 tons evenly distributed over a large area (ground-to-Israel missiles are not very accurate). The population is hidden. For Israel as a whole it is unpleasant, but no more. And this is without taking into account your Dome, which covered the really vulnerable spots. By the way, why aren't the Palestinians attacking him? It would be logical to disrupt his work before the start of the shelling.
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 26 May 2021 18: 32
          +4
          Quote: bk0010
          By the way, why aren't the Palestinians attacking him? It would be logical to disrupt his work before the start of the shelling.

          Your pogik is just off scale.
          If I understand you correctly, are you looking for a better way to kill me? At the same time, you are very surprised how the Hamas people have not done this yet. And give some kind of calculation. Yes, you are, I see, just a real expert on the final solution of the Jewish question. Adolf Eichmann would have cracked his bones in the grave saluting you, if after the gallows his corpse had not been burned in the stove and the ashes scattered in the wind.
          1. bk0010
            bk0010 26 May 2021 21: 42
            -3
            Quote: A. Privalov
            If I understand you correctly, are you looking for a better way to kill me?
            Firstly, I wrote not to you, but to Alexei. Secondly, it hurts me to kill you. Thirdly, if the Hamas are going to spend 4000 missiles, then it is not clear to me why they are not trying to protect such a substantial "investment." They determine the beginning of a war, and it is quite logical to postpone its start until the most dangerous competitor is out of action. Why they do not start shelling from the objects of the Dome and airfields (large area objects with expensive equipment, from which they fly to kill, by the way) is completely incomprehensible. Why, after the end of the shelling, they do not hunt Dome operators and pilots is also not clear. Power plants are not hit, water intakes are not hit. Some kind of stupid war they have, masochistic. Israel can send them a similar amount of explosives in a dozen F-16 sorties and not anywhere, but aimed and until a result is achieved.
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 27 May 2021 00: 15
              +6
              Quote: bk0010
              Why they do not start shelling from the objects of the Dome and airfields (large area objects with expensive equipment, from which they fly to kill, by the way) is completely incomprehensible.
              Because, with their accuracy, they can only shoot "where the thread is at Israel." The population density is rather big, maybe it will catch someone or destroy a four-string. And then roughly 10% goes to Gaza, and there the density is higher than in Israel, but all the victims and destruction are attributed to the Zionists. Cover in one gulp the starting position of the LCD or even an airfield? Rather, the macaque, planted at the computer, will print a surah from the Koran.
  8. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 26 May 2021 15: 09
    -1
    When they shoot with hail, I always shudder. On an urgent basis, they threw them from the warehouse onto the ramp and they sometimes fell from the ramp to the ground. , north of St. Petersburg. So it turns out, the Palestinians have 100 shells, about 90 tons of ammunition bungled. This is 4000 wagons. Their diligence in the right direction, so Israel does not allow them to relax! Always come up with some kind of goat with them.
  9. Cat Alexandrovich
    Cat Alexandrovich 26 May 2021 15: 10
    -9
    It turns out that the Semites simply burned huge resources to show each other a dupe. Like our merchants, their coolness when bills were burned in batches. Some show-off, no real result.
  10. isv000
    isv000 26 May 2021 15: 23
    -5
    As a result, Israel concluded a truce with ... Hamas, recognizing this formation as a negotiating party and raising its image to an unprecedented height. Now he will find a lot of money for his XNUMX-dollar rockets, and he will rebuild his houses and modernize his "metro". And kumpol - if the Americans had not thrown greens in time - "on precision weapons" - then the result could surprise everyone ... hi
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 26 May 2021 16: 08
      +16
      Israel signed a truce with ... Hamas, recognizing this entity as a negotiating party and raising its image
      Negotiations were conducted with Egyptian mediators, and serious pressure from the big powers was refused on Israel.
      For the sake of "raising the image" Hamas fired thousands of rockets at Israel, set the civilian population of Gaza under return fire - several hundred died, including the entire top of the command, a thousand wounded, Gaza was in ruins, tens of thousands were left homeless, a humanitarian catastrophe began there. Nice victory.
      1. isv000
        isv000 26 May 2021 16: 16
        -1
        I did not say that Hamas launched rockets to raise its image - this happened as a result of the truce ...
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 26 May 2021 16: 21
          +9
          Quote: isv000
          I did not say that Hamas launched rockets to raise its image - this happened as a result of the truce ...

          This is not a correct assessment of the results. They always shout that they won. This is the Middle East.
          1. isv000
            isv000 26 May 2021 16: 27
            +1
            Unfortunately, they are shouting in the streets - people are in support of Hamas ...
            1. A. Privalov
              A. Privalov 26 May 2021 16: 31
              +8
              Quote: isv000
              Unfortunately, they are shouting in the streets - people are in support of Hamas ...

              Duc, we have freedom of speech here, or what? And the raging democracy has the right. hi
      2. Do not care
        Do not care 27 May 2021 02: 49
        +3
        ... put the civilian population of Gaza under return fire - several hundred died, including the entire top of the command, a thousand wounded, Gaza was in ruins, tens of thousands were left homeless, a humanitarian catastrophe began there. Nice victory.


        The Arabs believe that victory is when the dictator remains in power. Since Hamas continues to rule in Gaza, from its point of view, it has certainly won.
        For example, Saddam Hussein believed that he had won the war in 91. But in 2003, he did not think so. He no longer counted.
  11. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 26 May 2021 15: 26
    +3
    Russia also needs such an air defense system, in addition to the existing ones.

    This is the air defense of the front edge, with spaced PU, radar and command post.

    Even if a launcher or radar is defeated, I think it is possible to use duplicate systems.

    And the repulsion of massive strikes is possible with a large number of missiles in the launcher, Shell and TOR are nervously smoking away from the Iron Dome.
    1. loki565
      loki565 26 May 2021 15: 37
      -6
      Russia also needs such an air defense system, in addition to the existing ones.
      This is the air defense of the front edge, with spaced PU, radar and command post.
      Even if a launcher or radar is defeated, I think it is possible to use duplicate systems.
      And the repulsion of massive strikes is possible with a large number of missiles in the launcher, Shell and TOR are nervously smoking away from the Iron Dome.

      You understand that these are stationary objects, a serious enemy will reveal (for example, from a satellite) the location and knock out the radars, or the command post and that's it. Not a single missile was fired at the air defense itself, and these water pipes can hardly be called rockets)))
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 26 May 2021 16: 18
        +11
        Quote: loki565
        and these water pipes can hardly be called rockets)))

        The water pipes ended 15 years ago.

        Hamas missiles

        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 27 May 2021 02: 15
          -3
          Quote: A. Privalov
          Water pipes ended 15 years ago

          Oh really ? The same pipes ... only longer and thicker!
      2. kventinasd
        kventinasd 26 May 2021 17: 41
        -7
        Quote: loki565
        You understand that these are stationary objects, a serious enemy will reveal (for example, from a satellite) the location and knock out the radars, or the command post and that's it. Not a single missile was fired at the air defense itself, and these water pipes can hardly be called rockets)))

        Well, it’s hard to call it rockets, because it’s handicrafts from amateurs. And a serious opponent, if he has, for example, an analogue of Tornado C, with several batteries, multiplies this entire Iron Dome to zero.
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 26 May 2021 19: 01
          +6
          Quote: kventinasd
          And a serious opponent, if he has, for example, an analogue of Tornado C, with several batteries, multiplies this entire Iron Dome to zero.

          That you are stuck on the LCD, this is only the first level of missile defense
          There is a middle one, this is David's Sling.
          And there is a higher one, Arrow 3.
          Well, this is only protection, but with a serious opponent they will not work with tweezers, there is also Jericho 3
          He will multiply, and he will divide the rest.
          1. kventinasd
            kventinasd 26 May 2021 19: 11
            -7
            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            Well, this is only protection, but with a serious opponent they will not work with tweezers, there is also Jericho 3
            He will multiply, and he will divide the rest.

            Well, if Iran soon manages to bungle something similar, then Jericho will not help.
            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            There is a middle one, this is David's Sling.
            And there is a higher one, Arrow 3.

            And what of this will be able to withstand several hundred corrected projectiles fired within one minute?
            1. Vitaly gusin
              Vitaly gusin 27 May 2021 13: 08
              +1
              Quote: kventinasd
              Well, if Iran soon manages to bungle something similar,

              Well, if he bungles something like that, then by that time there will be Jericho 4/5
              Quote: kventinasd
              several hundred corrected projectiles fired within one minute?

              1 It all depends on which shells, who will release.
              2 To release several hundreds shells in minute it is necessary to have several hundred launchers, which hardly anyone has for serious missiles.
              3 But to release about 100 missiles, one salvo can be assumed, and working on them with different missile defense systems, you can achieve 60-70% destruction, i.e. 30-40 missiles will reach the target
              It is clear that there will be destruction and casualties.
              But the second volley of this will no longer be
              I'll give you a quote.
              Israeli Defense Minister Benny Gantz
              We are always ready to protect the citizens of Israel. Anytime, anywhere. Therefore, if evil comes from the north, Lebanon will tremble. The houses, which will contain terrorists and weapons, will turn into ruins. Lebanon will bear the brunt of responsibility for any aggression emanating from it.
              DO YOU DOUBT ABOUT THIS?
              1. kventinasd
                kventinasd 27 May 2021 13: 22
                -4
                Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                Well, if he bungles something like that, then by that time there will be Jericho 4/5

                Taking into account the cooperation of Iran with North Korea, very soon, and taking into account the fact that many Iranian delivery vehicles can be equipped with special warheads, Israel's location and hatred of almost the entire Islamic world, you will not envy him. Jericho in this case will not even save ...
                1. Vitaly gusin
                  Vitaly gusin 27 May 2021 13: 36
                  0
                  Quote: kventinasd
                  and taking into account the fact that many Iranian delivery vehicles can be equipped with special warheads

                  Write directly, YAO ..
                  And I will answer you, as there is no nuclear weapons in Iraq, Syria, so it will not be in Iran as well. you understand that it will certainly be used against Israel, just the same is understood in Israel, therefore it is better to destroy it in advance and only sixes will remain in Iran's hands.
                  1. kventinasd
                    kventinasd 27 May 2021 14: 07
                    -2
                    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                    And I will answer you, as there is no nuclear weapons in Iraq, Syria, and so it will not be in Iran

                    Well, Iranian tankers regularly drive to North Korea, and I'm not sure that nuclear weapons are not in Iran now.
                    1. Vitaly gusin
                      Vitaly gusin 27 May 2021 15: 10
                      0
                      Quote: kventinasd
                      I'm not sure that there is no nuclear weapons in Iran now.

                      Do you think that Israel's special services know less than you?
                      1. kventinasd
                        kventinasd 27 May 2021 19: 11
                        -3
                        I think they know more, but you shouldn't lift the special services of a small country to the skies. They are to the CIA or the Foreign Intelligence Service of the Russian Federation as to the moon on foot.
        2. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 26 May 2021 20: 25
          +8
          Who are you going to use Tornado C for? For the civilian population just like that?
        3. Do not care
          Do not care 27 May 2021 03: 01
          +2
          Well, it’s hard to call it rockets, because it’s handicrafts from amateurs. And a serious opponent, if he has, for example, an analogue of Tornado C, with several batteries, multiplies this entire Iron Dome to zero.


          It's good that you remembered about Tornado C. Tell me, does Tornado C have 300 mm ammunition that fly 250 km and have a GPS guidance head? That's right, no. Only recently there was an article on VO where it was said that the first 300 millimeter ammunition with a guidance system and a range of 120 km was being supplied to the armament of the Russian army. But Hamas has such (Thanks to Iran). And the missiles intercepted over Eilat, which is more than 200 km from Gaza, is a confirmation of this.
      3. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 26 May 2021 18: 26
        +7
        Quote: loki565
        serious adversary

        Will get a completely different attitude. They will already talk to him "as an adult." yes

        Quote: loki565
        will knock out radars, or KP and that's it

        Well, just like in a shooting gallery. fellow And the option that will lose its radars and command post earlier is not being considered? laughing
        Sometimes I just get stunned by the comments of civil amateurs, how simple and unambiguous everything is with you, just like in a movie. laughing
      4. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 27 May 2021 15: 50
        +2
        You understand that these are stationary objects, a serious enemy will reveal (for example, from a satellite) the location and knock out the radars, or the command post and that's it.


        What will knock you out? Missiles, which such a system destroys with a 90% probability, even if they are launched in the hundreds?

        In addition, what prevents to mask the command post and radar and launcher?

        What prevents one battery of such launchers from closing several radars?

        You can still cover the entire battery of such an air defense system with medium and long-range air defense systems and provide intelligence from other radars.

        And this is how we get really impenetrable air defense, which can intercept a ballistic missile and a cruise and a swarm of UAVs and a massive rocket attack.

        Maybe the Carapace SAM is not vulnerable? But no, they are knocked out with missiles and UAVs, and often for the reason that the BC is over, and their mobility does not save them in any way. And they often break through the protection of these complexes of Jews in Syria.

        Moreover, a whole complex of the Shell or TORA type is completely disabled by one hit, moreover, together with people.

        And the Jews won the PU separately, the radar in general where the devils are separate, and the command post is so camouflaged and protected that it still needs to be found and the missile from the UAV clearly cannot be penetrated.

        The Iron Dome air defense system is the perfect remedy for a massive missile attack, and we need it too.
    2. isv000
      isv000 26 May 2021 16: 18
      0
      Khmeimim. Tartus.
  12. nikvic46
    nikvic46 26 May 2021 15: 43
    +3
    Victory will come when the confrontation in Israel and in this region disappears. Mutual hatred has not disappeared anywhere, and everything is still ahead.
  13. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 26 May 2021 15: 49
    -4
    Quote: voyaka uh
    A hand grenade contains less than 100 g of explosives.
    If you experienced an explosion at least once in your life
    hand grenades a few meters away, then
    would never be publicly disgraced by such stupid posts.

    Between the ability of a hand grenade to kill a person and the destruction of a settlement by Palestinian homemade products from a water pipe, there is a very small and completely insignificant difference. Therefore, I will not use words like "stupid post".
    But in general, if 100 grams of ice, without any ingredients, falls on the head of a person with krishi it will also hurt.
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 26 May 2021 16: 50
      +8
      Quote: Kostadinov
      Palestinian homemade from a water pipe,

      Water pipes flying 70 km? This is the distance from Gaza to Tel Aviv. fool
  14. Shahno
    Shahno 26 May 2021 15: 50
    +4
    Quote: Anchorite
    Missile defense named winner in war between Hamas and Israel

    It would be more correct to say that the suppliers of weapons and ammunition won in this war))

    So much so that the cost of the operation may well pay off with interest by increasing the portfolio of orders.
    This is an unaccounted asset that analysts and authors of articles have forgotten, who calculated the losses ...
  15. 501Legion
    501Legion 26 May 2021 16: 07
    0
    40 billion ?? Not sickly, such a cost comes out ...
    1. Do not care
      Do not care 27 May 2021 03: 20
      +3
      40 lard is a complete bullshit.
      Today the accounting department is as follows:
      $ 1 billion - its development
      $ 50 million - One battery without ammunition x 10 Deployed batteries = $ 0.5 billion
      $ 40K - One anti-missile. To date, the consumption is about 5000 interceptor missiles. = $ 0.2 billion
      All together less than 2 lard
  16. Oleg Aviator
    Oleg Aviator 26 May 2021 16: 15
    -1
    With a clapperboard and even then with a stretch, but what about something more serious?
  17. Shahno
    Shahno 26 May 2021 16: 33
    +6
    Quote: Thrifty
    Yeah, the Palestinians just didn't have strike teams to blow up a pair of batteries of these domes, thereby creating a hole in the defense. This dome for the protection of stationary objects, without external sources of information, such as AWACS, it is ineffective, because the time of arrival of the rocket is sometimes seconds. So, an article on advertising failures, in reality, the dome would be quickly carried out with a good rocket, flying not in a straight line, but capable of maneuvering actively throughout the entire flight segment to the target!


    #, in reality, the dome would be quickly taken out by a good rocket flying #

    So this is in reality, or you still predict ... In reality, it is like what it was a week ago.
  18. Oleg Olkha
    Oleg Olkha 26 May 2021 16: 35
    +5
    Missile defense, the most important, but part of everything. Those who are truly "in the know" consider the absolute winner of Operation Wall Guard, for the first time in such a volume implemented doctrine of the IDF - "a battle in five-dimensional space." Special Interview with Brigadier General (Res.) Nati Cohen (נתי כהן) "Five Dimensional Combat: Cyber ​​and Spectrum Opportunities Gain Operational Legitimacy in The Wall Guar." https://www.israeldefense.co.il/node/50039 (Hebrew, alas ...)
  19. Maz
    Maz 26 May 2021 16: 41
    -8
    Quote: voyaka uh
    ", with a warhead of several kilograms" ///
    ----
    A hand grenade contains less than 100 g of explosives.
    If you experienced an explosion at least once in your life
    hand grenades a few meters away, then
    would never be publicly disgraced by such stupid posts.

    Well, I experienced the rupture of a hand grenade twenty meters away and closer to myself and the Hamas rocket also had to be tested five hundred meters away, and so the Hamas rocket commands much more respect than a hand grenade, especially an offensive one, from which you can defend yourself at close range with an ordinary brick. If you do not know the soldier, then the special forces conduct such exercises on the parade ground for young soldiers using ordinary building bricks ... and a combat offensive grenade, so that the soldiers are not afraid of the grenades thrown at point-blank range. The scattering of the fragments does not need to be reminded how much? Defensively harder, but also not deadly skillful. But you do not have such as far as I know
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 26 May 2021 17: 43
      +4
      There are no defensive ones. You sit in your room under the window and then someone yells: a grenade. There is a report 21 ... if you goof, look for her with your eyes, 22 ... if smart, you are already outside the room, 23 ... explosion. If normal - you are 23 already outside the room, squeezed somewhere on the staircase - what kind of brick? laughing
  20. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 26 May 2021 16: 45
    -4
    Some statistics.
    In 2007-2008, there is still no dome (it appeared in 2011) and 5900 Palestinian rockets and mines have killed 10 people in Israel.
    In 2021, 4000 rockets and 12 people were killed.

    Only do I have a feeling that the dome is increasing losses?
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 26 May 2021 17: 26
      +9
      Quote: Kostadinov
      Some statistics.
      In 2007-2008, there is still no dome (it appeared in 2011) and 5900 Palestinian rockets and mines have killed 10 people in Israel.
      In 2021, 4000 rockets and 12 people were killed.

      Only do I have a feeling that the dome is increasing losses?

      Then, homemade Hamas missiles flew 3-5 km and carried 0,5-1 kg of explosives.
      Today the situation has changed dramatically. It's like from Burgas to Varna, 90 kg of explosives flies in a salvo of 140 pieces in 5 minutes.
      See above for a list of missile types and their brief performance characteristics.
  21. Shahno
    Shahno 26 May 2021 16: 48
    +4
    Quote: Kostadinov
    Some statistics.
    In 2007-2008, there is still no dome (it appeared in 2011) and 5900 Palestinian rockets and mines have killed 10 people in Israel.
    In 2021, 4000 rockets and 12 people were killed.

    Only do I have a feeling that the dome is increasing losses?

    As they say in some narrow circles, they missed the latent factor .. Guess which one?
  22. Shahno
    Shahno 26 May 2021 17: 45
    +4
    Quote: kventinasd
    Quote: loki565
    You understand that these are stationary objects, a serious enemy will reveal (for example, from a satellite) the location and knock out the radars, or the command post and that's it. Not a single missile was fired at the air defense itself, and these water pipes can hardly be called rockets)))

    Well, it’s hard to call it rockets, because it’s crafts of amateurs. And a serious opponent, if he has, for example, an analogue of Tornado C, with one division multiplies this entire Iron Dome by zero.

    I don’t know, of course. Nobody checked. But something tells me that you will be disappointed.
    Ps. As some have already hinted here, we were preparing for a more advanced opponent ..
  23. Gunther
    Gunther 26 May 2021 18: 06
    -8
    Quote: Los Angeles Times
    The $ 40 billion missile defense system has proven unreliable ...


    I will not argue with experts, they know better.
    Hamas demonstrated how to overload the "Iron Taz", how many self-made rockets assembled on the knee are needed for it to crumble.
    it became obvious that not quite ancient missiles, assembled not on the knee, but at Iranian factories, easily overcame the air defenses of our Israeli comrades.
    So it goes.
  24. Petro_tut
    Petro_tut 26 May 2021 18: 10
    0
    Armenians have a lot to learn hi
  25. Shahno
    Shahno 26 May 2021 19: 46
    +1
    Quote: Nagan
    Quote: Anchorite
    since the First World War, this practice has become very widespread))

    So no one argues. So many evergreen lards were thrown into the plasticines that a second Singapore could be built in Gaza. But they all got into tunnel digging and rocketry. As a result, the rockets were shot, the tunnels were destroyed, they were not built in Gaza, and what was built was demolished by the Israeli counterpart. And Hamas had no missile defense, no, it won't, and they don't need it. It is more important for them that there were more victims and destruction, in order to beg more money from the "world community" for new missiles and tunnels. But their tunneling has developed so much that they could serve the whole of Gaza with such a developed metro network that Moscow never dreamed of.

    It seems that they originally planned a Middle Eastern Singapore.
    Didn't take into account the specifics ...
  26. Shahno
    Shahno 26 May 2021 20: 22
    +1
    Quote: A. Privalov
    Quote: Nagan
    But their tunneling has developed so much that they could serve the whole of Gaza with such a developed metro network that Moscow could not even dream of.

    Today they held a press conference and announced that they have 500 (five hundred!) Kilometers of tunnels.

    I'm afraid this is almost true ..
  27. amr
    amr 26 May 2021 23: 20
    -2
    Quote: A. Privalov
    There will be questions, you are welcome.

    that there are just no questions! with money you are all right))!
  28. dima314
    dima314 27 May 2021 09: 30
    -4
    I think it was an agreement and such thoughts were expressed by various observers. Everyone knows how many missiles the dome can take, but they launched exactly as many as necessary! What did it cost Israel to launch a ground operation and demolish all installations and disperse the fighters? Alas, both sides played by the rules and, I'm afraid, even coordinated their actions constantly. And a bonus, of course, is the purchase of new missiles and domes. Palestine is also not at a loss, and Qatar is already giving it a pollard! Everyone is fine, except for those who were killed or maimed.
  29. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 27 May 2021 12: 00
    -3
    Quote: A. Privalov
    See above for a list of missile types and their brief performance characteristics.

    I have looked at lists of missile types more than once. They have not changed for 20 years.
    The same horror stories - only ICBMs are not there yet. And what they actually shoot is a completely different matter.
    Water pipes flying 70 km? This is the distance from Gaza to Tel Aviv

    I believe the official information from Israel that children say that "rockets" fall mainly in the field and in Gaza itself. It's just homemade. And the range can be easily increased by reducing the weight of the warhead.