Polish politician: Warsaw fought against Nord Stream 2 by choosing the wrong allies

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Poland needed to pay more attention to Germany, to negotiate with her, and not to try to put pressure on her in an alliance with the United States. On the whole, Warsaw is unsuccessfully fighting Nord Stream 2, choosing the wrong allies.

This opinion was expressed by the deputy of the Saeima and a member of the Confederation party Christian Kaminsky.



Today, few people in the world doubt that the pipeline will be completed, running along the bottom of the Baltic Sea and connecting Russia with Germany. Now, the Polish politician believes, Warsaw should think about getting at least some benefit from this situation. In theory, it could connect to the transit of natural gas through its territory to Ukraine and Belarus.

But the implementation of this plan has its own difficulties. Trying to please the Americans, the Polish authorities managed to quarrel not only with Russia, but also with Belarus. The latter, after attempts by a number of European countries to oust Lukashenka, was forced to forget about the “multi-vector” approach and strengthen its ties with the Kremlin. Taking into account the fact that Warsaw behaved in relation to the "father" is extremely incorrect, now for the Poles the road to Minsk can only pass through Moscow. In other words, in order to normalize relations with Belarus and start a dialogue on transit, Warsaw should first establish contacts with the Russian Federation. And it is easier for Russia to supply gas to Belarusians directly, and not through Germany and Poland. And Ukraine, too, is not too eager to receive Russian gas from Poland.

And the United States understands that the role of the senior European partner of the United States, which Warsaw was trying to claim, does not suit it at all. Berlin has always been successful in this capacity.

The White House wants closer cooperation with Germany, realizing its status as a "European locomotive." In support of this, US President Joe Biden, speaking to reporters, noted that Nord Stream 2 is almost completed, so the imposition of sanctions against it is inappropriate and could only harm US relations with Europe.
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  1. +21
    26 May 2021 09: 42
    Even the decrepit brain of grandfather Joe has come to this, and the jackals are barking, you see, they want to cancel the construction of the gas pipeline.
    1. +15
      26 May 2021 09: 47
      Trying to please the Americans, the Polish authorities managed to quarrel not only with Russia, but also with Belarus.

      The pipeline has nothing to do with it
      It's just that the Polish government is like this - the main thing is to quarrel with everyone.
      National, so to speak, flavor - Polish ambition
      1. +14
        26 May 2021 09: 54
        You can't deal with the Poles at all.

        The fact that in the West words do not hold it is understandable. And this is a fact.

        But Poles are also beggars to mind.

        The further away from them, the calmer.

        Better on the bottom of the Baltic, bypassing.
        1. +20
          26 May 2021 09: 58
          Quote: For example
          Poles are also beggars on mind

          Not all.
          Poles are very different. There are, for example, the cemeteries of the soldiers of the USSR, which are carefully looked after and on the May 9 holiday they dress their children in uniforms with a red star.
          But it is in the government that the "gentlemen" are traditionally crawling.
          1. +7
            26 May 2021 10: 13
            I tried to remember something, but what, in general, did the Poles do the right thing for years? And starting with an attempt to become Hitler's partners in conquests ... request
          2. +6
            26 May 2021 10: 21
            Quote: Shurik70
            Poles are very different. There are, for example, the cemeteries of the soldiers of the USSR, which are carefully looked after and on the May 9 holiday they dress their children in uniforms with a red star.

            Everywhere people are the same, there are good and there are not very good. You cannot judge by some for the whole country and nation.
            1. +2
              26 May 2021 14: 47
              Quote: tihonmarine
              Everywhere people are the same, there are good and there are not very good. You cannot judge by some for the whole country and nation.

              The whole nation is more or less fully expressed by the result of voting in the country's parliament. I will note that in the current Polish Sejm there is not a single party that would be at least neutral towards us. So it is possible that there are good people among the Poles, but they are all hostile to Russia. There is a very big difference between everyday relations between individuals of two different countries and relations between social groups from the same people and the same countries.
              1. +6
                26 May 2021 17: 11
                Quote: Hagen
                they are all hostile to Russia. There is a very big difference between everyday relations between individuals of two different countries and relations between social groups from the same people and the same countries.

                A big difference.. request year so in '75 they lived in one lovely Polish city with Hanseatic roots, the situation: everyone stands at a red light and two teenagers cross the street, whisper- that is, Russians... but our schoolchildren are not in the city, and I am still a preschooler. Something like this - old man Churchill was right
                1. -1
                  26 May 2021 20: 04
                  What other Russians are in 75?
                  1. +5
                    26 May 2021 20: 13
                    Quote: out of habit
                    What other Russians are in 75?

                    Well, in general, the Poles built ships for the Union and they also had to be accepted. The father took over the ships, often conflicted with production. Something like this.
                    1. -1
                      26 May 2021 20: 20
                      I mean that the Soviet people were not called Russians. Russians.
                      1. +5
                        26 May 2021 20: 31
                        Soviet people in Poland were called the Russians... I'm not an expert in Polish, but that's how my parents remember it.
                        Russians the West taught to call everyone from the Union
                      2. 0
                        26 May 2021 20: 59
                        The Russians are all from the Union, and the Soviets are Russians ...
                        Do you understand yourself?
                      3. +5
                        26 May 2021 21: 16

                        And by the way - I agree with Churchill and do not consider Poland to be the West. Have a good day
          3. +1
            26 May 2021 11: 25
            I think he meant politicians, not ordinary people in general.
      2. +3
        26 May 2021 10: 00
        Another "flight" with the cuckoo, over its nest. One word - hyena ...
        1. 0
          26 May 2021 11: 23
          Quote: marchcat
          Another "flight" with the cuckoo, over its nest. One word - hyena ...

          Trying to please the Americans, the Polish authorities managed to quarrel not only with Russia, but also with Belarus.

          Joe Biden, speaking to reporters, noted that Nord Stream 2 is almost completed, so the imposition of sanctions against it is inappropriate

          The Americans got them good, just like, I apologize, "rubber product No. 2" and threw them out!
          They probably promised a lot, and then abandoned everything! As well as Gorbachev thrown with many promises! They have such a policy ...
          Nord Stream 2 is almost completed, so the imposition of sanctions against it is inappropriate and can only harm US relations with Europe.

          In short - "Bolivar will not stand two!"
          1. -1
            26 May 2021 20: 09
            "rubber-technical" laughing
            Just rubber.
    2. +1
      26 May 2021 10: 06
      Polish overseas partners do not want Russian gas in any form!
      The Poles would be especially "happy" when, having defeated Nord Stream, the Americans decided to torpedo the Yamal-Europe gas pipeline, which brings them profit and heat. This is where it would hit your pocket ...
  2. +8
    26 May 2021 09: 43
    yeah ... they put it on the wrong horse ... lol strong, as they say, in hindsight ... wink
    1. +2
      26 May 2021 09: 52
      Pshekoporotosti is a historical diagnosis. The protrusion of the master's belly and lips looking at the East at the thought that they are in the EU is a kind of Nazism, demonstrating the racial superiority of the Poles-Slavs over the Eastern Slavs.
      And such Nazism and stubbornness has been hammered into the heads of their young for centuries. So why be surprised?
      They are friends with any devil, just to offend the Russians and shit. And then there was such an opportunity to distinguish himself in front of sleepy Joe and his puppeteers.
    2. +2
      26 May 2021 09: 59
      Now they will look for new allies and climb through some smelly passages without soap ...
      1. 0
        26 May 2021 12: 19
        Quote: aleks neym_2
        Now they will look for new allies and climb through some smelly passages without soap ...

        and which of these "new soyuznichki" of Poland remained on the list? Poor Baltics? So she also has no less ambition than Poland, and she even more strongly wishes that Uncle Sam would appoint her as the collective elder confused in Eastern Europe. Moreover, this collective is still competing within itself, which of them will sell itself to grandfather Sam at a cheaper price. So there, too, there is competition for the place of the cheapest prostitute. And they should also lick all the immodest places for Uncle Sam with a smile on their face - such a strong competition now among these licking ones ...
        I have already written that, in my opinion, all the geopolitical victories of Putin and modern Russia are not templates, exclusive and permanent. I would like that this victory of Russia "Nord Stream-2" would not deprive Russia of its vigilance in splitting the herd of enemies and setting Uncle Sam's prostitutes in their proper place. Since yesterday the TV channels began to sound the calls that Poland is also Russia’s friend, because it is for traditional Christian values. So, neither more nor less ... And then it is understandable. how difficult it is for Russia and Putin to be given these geopolitical victories, since in Russia there are those who want to join the ranks of Uncle Sam's prostitutes and do not understand that Hitler was behind the Christian family and even on the badges of the fascists' belts there was an inscription "Gott mit uns" - "God s us"...
    3. +1
      26 May 2021 10: 07
      After all, you need to gain life experience.
      Everyone knows that it is better to live peacefully with a neighbor.
      There may be disagreements, but one must speak and respect each other. Moreover, naturally, both parties must follow this rule.
      All the former socialist countries of Eastern Europe and the former republics of the USSR cannot learn this rule for some reason.
  3. +14
    26 May 2021 09: 48
    "And in the morning they woke up" (V. Shukshin). It turns out that they also chose the wrong ally, and in vain they aggravated relations with Germany, and everything is very bad with Russia, and it’s in vain with Belarus ... But they did it not out of drunkenness, but voluntarily trying to please the Americans (they would suddenly be appointed as the eldest wife in the EU) and the impact of their lordly ambition. But with the poor Balts, who will soon become even poorer, you live in harmony, cementing "friendship" with terry Russophobia.
    1. +3
      26 May 2021 09: 51

      rotmistr60 (Gennady)
      Today, 09: 48
      NEW
      +1
      "And in the morning they woke up" (V. Shukshin). It turns out that they also chose the wrong ally, and in vain they aggravated relations with Germany, and everything is very bad with Russia, and in vain with Belarus ...
      Ordinary dogs in the manger! laughing They'll trample, zass ..., zasser ... and everyone is to blame! wink
    2. +4
      26 May 2021 10: 31
      Quote: rotmistr60
      "And in the morning they woke up" (V. Shukshin). It turns out that they also chose the wrong ally, and in vain they aggravated relations with Germany, and everything is very bad with Russia, and it’s in vain with Belarus ... But they did it not out of drunkenness, but voluntarily trying to please the Americans (they would suddenly be appointed as the eldest wife in the EU) and the impact of their lordly ambition. But with the poor Balts, who will soon become even poorer, you live in harmony, cementing "friendship" with terry Russophobia.

      The Poles have already quarreled several times with Germany and Russia at the same time. The quarrel ended with the partition of Poland.
  4. +1
    26 May 2021 09: 50
    On the whole, Warsaw is unsuccessfully fighting Nord Stream 2, choosing the wrong allies.
    Somewhere already this has already sounded recently! Seems unnecessary yelling the same thing! lol
  5. +2
    26 May 2021 09: 51
    The Poles have a fairly straightforward view of things, they somehow assumed that the Americans would solve the problems of Poland.
  6. +1
    26 May 2021 09: 51
    The arrogant Poles, with their own ambition not rank, crap once again.
    1. 0
      26 May 2021 09: 57
      Well, actually, the main unifying force for the EU countries was the fear of Russia, and the unifying ideology was Russophobia. In this regard, nothing has changed and will not change in the future.
  7. +1
    26 May 2021 09: 53
    Germany is the main interest ..... what to talk to about? And only the United States can put pressure on other countries. Any other, the Germans and the EU would have long ago sent ...
  8. +9
    26 May 2021 09: 53
    Taking into account gas prices in the Southeast region, nobody can stop Nord Stream 2.
    And when it starts working, the gas pipeline passing through Belarus to Poland can be closed in Belarus.
    Belarus will remain with gas, and Poland with .......

    1. +2
      26 May 2021 10: 04

      prior (Vlad)
      Today, 09: 53
      +1
      Taking into account gas prices in the Southeast region, nobody can stop Nord Stream 2.
      And when it starts working, the gas pipeline passing through Belarus to Poland can be closed in Belarus.
      Belarus will remain with gas Poland with ......
      Yes, yes !, with a "herring ear!" wink
    2. +1
      26 May 2021 10: 06
      Quote: prior
      the gas pipeline passing through Belarus to Poland can be closed in Belarus.
      Yes, no one will block anything. Panov, of course, loudly demonstrate their ambition, but they pay for gas. And they will pay for a long time. Until Global Warming makes Poland winters as warm as Venezuela. Does it get warmer for fractions of a degree a year? recourse
      1. 0
        26 May 2021 10: 11
        And Polish ambition is also well treated by raising gas prices. good
        1. +1
          26 May 2021 10: 15
          Quote: prior
          And Polish ambition is also well treated by raising gas prices. good

          Exactly until the moment when it becomes profitable for the Poles to pull a pipe from Norway or build a terminal for receiving and processing liquefied American gas. As they say, nothing personal, just business.
          1. +2
            26 May 2021 10: 40
            Exactly until the moment when it becomes profitable for the Poles to pull a pipe from Norway

            Which has been reducing gas production for 5 years ...
            or build a terminal for the reception and processing of liquefied American gas

            Already built, long ago. now they think where to get it in ... and for one thing where to get it ... This season, all gas carriers actually go to Asia - they pay more. Surprise damn it, it turns out that there is no one else to supply through the pipe except for the one who is on the other side of the pipe and the ship at sea is able to change course.
            1. +1
              26 May 2021 12: 00
              Quote: alexmach
              This season, all gas carriers actually go to Asia - they pay more there.

              So there may be Polish ones - Qataris usually conclude contracts with delivery to the port, and states on Free on Board (FOB) terms - gas becomes property immediately after loading and carry it ...
          2. +1
            26 May 2021 13: 54
            Duc is pulling the Poles a gas pipeline from Norway, the same cantor and also the ship that Sevpotok 2 pulled before the sanctions, are already working between Norway and Denmark.
            1. 0
              26 May 2021 17: 58
              Quote: tralflot1832
              Duc pulls the gas pipeline from Norway

              The Poles have laid there 10 billion cubic meters, while somehow 3 billion of their own, and the rest ... the Norwegians will somehow increase production ... but for now, in the first quarter ... Poland has increased purchases of fuel from Russia by 17% - up to 2,25 billion cubic meters. She also bought a little over 1 billion cubic meters of gas "in the west and south." At the same time, only physical deliveries of 234 million cubic meters from the Czech Republic are confirmed on the platform of the EU ENTSOG operators, and Poland took most of the fuel from the Yamal-Europe transit gas pipeline. This is Russian gas that European traders have resold to PGNiG.
              https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2021/05/21/aziya-otobrala-u-polshi-spg
              1. +1
                26 May 2021 18: 38
                Electronic bidding on surplus capacity for July naphthagaz successfully failed, Gazprom ignored them. June capacities of 15 million cubic meters are reserved. Gazprom keeps Europe and Ukraine on starvation rations, the amount of gas is strictly under the contract. gas went up. That is the interest of the European business in the joint venture. Low gas prices do not allow Norway to increase gas production, and the law does not allow investing in the development of the oil and gas complex from the National Wealth Fund. The Dutch have turned from exporters to importers of gas. Wherever you go to Europe, We must bow to us. Even Jewish gas will not help, and they were not going to become global players on gas. hi
                1. +1
                  26 May 2021 19: 37
                  Europe is Europe, and the Poles do not want to take the gas from somewhere (they don’t want to renew the Russian contract, the Norwegians can, but then someone will have to under-supply, the production does not grow much), and an ally is an ally, friendship is friendship, but the prices are like tea with Asians attractive ..., and an ally is in no hurry, and who is in Europe with gas ... so you will think about allies
                  1. +1
                    26 May 2021 20: 32
                    The Poles even had a supply of Jewish gas, liquefied petroleum products to Egypt. Thanks to the "reliable" partner of the USA. But its production is unprofitable. All the gas remained in our zone, it is not for nothing that under the USSR Sevgazpromrazvedka overdrilled the entire bottom in Barentsukh. Shtokman is ours, and everything around is empty.
      2. 0
        26 May 2021 13: 02
        Then gas will become even more needed at power plants that generate electricity for kondeev. Moreover, the condo is more energy intensive than the stove)
      3. 0
        26 May 2021 15: 22
        It is not yet known here, such a scenario is possible that this Gulf Stream warming can upset and then in Europe the temperature will become what it should be at these latitudes
    3. 0
      26 May 2021 11: 27
      You can, but money doesn't smell
  9. +5
    26 May 2021 09: 55
    do change your clothes on a quick ... not the first time ... Yes The can seems to have given permission ... Yes
  10. +3
    26 May 2021 10: 11
    Pshekam is always unlucky with the "allies" - then they will screw up with the false Dmitry, then they will rob Moscow with Napoleon.
    Well, they get it on tinsel.
    now they dance around with mattresses.
    well, no luck, however, like the Kurds ...
  11. +4
    26 May 2021 10: 19
    Poland needed to pay more attention to Germany, negotiate with her

    The Poles have had the disease of the "racetrack" from time immemorial - to bet on the wrong horse. They are trying to replace the mare not in the crossing and place a bet on the German Percheron. But they forgot that the Germans love the Poles so much, especially those whom the Poles have evicted from Prussia and Pomerania, and there are 15 million of them and they have children and grandchildren.
  12. +5
    26 May 2021 10: 21
    Poland could have had good money for the transit of Russian gas, but turned out to be as dumb as Ukraine. The smartest in Europe was Germany. Now she will steer the gas tap ... And these fuckers will buy from her expensive gas (not at Russian prices, but at European ones).
  13. +4
    26 May 2021 10: 21
    The Polish ambition has cracked, voices are heard in Poland, since it was unsuccessful to close the JV 2 project, then it is necessary to somehow stick to it and make a profit. Friends, an explanation has come about Fortuna, the end of May begins on May 25 and Fortuna does not stop rushing further, to " Golden "joint. From the border of Germany, 25 km 3 meters passed on May 153. Molodtsa Fortune and supply vessels. Marintrafik love to watch !!! The trip to the German Greens was covered with a copper basin !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  14. 0
    26 May 2021 10: 26
    After the events in Belarus, any transit projects, both energy carriers and commodity ones, will be questionable.
    1. +1
      26 May 2021 10: 34
      After the events in Belarus, any transit projects, both energy carriers and commodity ones, will be questionable.

      Yes, of course, they will freeze their ears to their grandmother?
      By the way, almost a large part of Russian energy carriers transit goes through Belarus, and Poland, by the way. There is nothing to replace it with. This is despite the fact that even the SP-2 will apparently be allowed to finish building with all the opposition.

      Goods transit? Is it like the Limitrophes will cancel "One Belt - One Road"? For example, will you close the logistics centers built near Minsk? And the opinion of China that built them on this topic has already been asked? Clowns.
      1. 0
        26 May 2021 10: 42
        Do you want to say that nothing has changed? It's funny. wink By the way, perhaps an extra plus for the completion of the SP-2. There are also several routes for goods transit, including the probable northern sea route (in the future). There are definitely new circumstances for bargaining between the United States, Europe and China.
        1. +1
          26 May 2021 10: 53
          Do you want to say that nothing has changed?

          For the arrest of those two fools? I do not know. Let's take a look. Very interesting.

          Air traffic has changed for today and is much more drastic than I expected, well, let's see what happens in a month.

          With transit - I'm sure nothing will change. SP-2, taking into account the low workload of the Ukrainian pipe, will be loaded at 100%, while maintaining all the other transit capacities .. and even more good, and through Ukraine will have to pump more, maybe even this fall. Belarusian capacities simply have nowhere to "retire". With Chinese transit - this is how there has always been a way across the seas. Only the Chinese are not fools to create bottlenecks for themselves. They need all possible trade routes at once, both land and sea ... By the way, it may very well be that it is precisely their transit projects that they will try to beat with these blockades. But once again, with the transit of other people's goods, I'm sure nothing will change.

          It can be worse with your own products, with the same fertilizers. But again. They are bought not because Lukashenka was so especially democratic. After all, they have some other properties ... for example, the price due, among other things, to extremely cheap energy resources ...

          And the last thing - I know that both sides who break them suffer from the severing of economic ties. For example, look at Russia and Ukraine. Well, let's see how far the Baltic Kittens will go. Rational voices suddenly began to sound from Poland .. This is despite the fact that Poles also have reasonable reasons to try to become "the best American wife." They don't just behave like that, after all.
  15. +1
    26 May 2021 10: 29
    This opinion was expressed by the deputy of the Seimas and a member of the "Confederation" party Christian Kamiński

    Very strange. The current and not the retired politician has such a reasonable opinion. So what happens too?
    1. 0
      26 May 2021 13: 24
      Quote: alexmach
      The current and not the retired politician has such a reasonable opinion. So what happens too?

      It happens, but ... what to do with others - Member of the European Parliament J. Sariusz-Wolski - the Baltic Sea will become more of a Russian space, because under the pretext of protecting the gas pipeline, the Russians will begin to pull the forces of their fleet there ... in order to reduce the geostrategic and geopolitical negative consequences, Poland needs to revise its defense policy by increasing spending on national defense to 4-5% of GDP, as in the front-line states. https://neftegaz.ru/news/politics/681552-v-polshe-predlagayut-uvelichit-oboronnyy-byudzhet-v-svyazi-s-zaversheniem-stroitelstva-severnogo-pot/
  16. +1
    26 May 2021 10: 34
    Have you carried the role of the beholder past your nose? And the Poles already presented themselves this way and that. And so that Germany was on their parcels))
  17. 0
    26 May 2021 11: 14
    Apart from troubles, there has been nothing from the Poles for centuries and will never be. It is necessary to minimize contacts.
  18. +2
    26 May 2021 12: 29
    In support of this, US President Joe Biden, speaking to reporters, noted that Nord Stream 2 is almost completed, so the imposition of sanctions against it is inappropriate and could only harm US relations with Europe.


    In Ukraine, mourning ...
  19. 0
    26 May 2021 12: 48
    Poland needed to pay more attention to Germany, to negotiate with her, and not to try to put pressure on her in an alliance with the United States.
    Funny guys are Poles. Is the air they have there, or what? Russian gas is PROFITABLE. American LNG is unprofitable in comparison with ours, and even downright dangerous - as soon as the global conjuncture shifts a little, and you can start drowning with dung.
    The efforts of the Poles to oust the Russian pipeline gas, which is beneficial to all Europeans (and to them themselves), by the disadvantageous American ones is already a rather stupid undertaking. Going against basic economic principles is monstrously difficult, even in the shortest possible time. Simply put, in order to lose money somewhere, and money that is very, very noticeable at the country level, you need to make up for these losses from somewhere. That is, you need to take the profit from those who earned it, and give it to your non-economic nonsense. In fact, destroy.
    It is difficult to find allies for such a case) The Germans are building a gas pipeline trying to reduce the price of gas. And suddenly the Poles jump out and begin negotiations - let's not lower the price, let's raise it, or, as a last resort, leave it at the same level! So that we, the Poles, and the United States, get more! The reaction of the Germans?
    Are you there, in Warsaw, dubbed at all, or what ?!) The United States threatened. When they talk about the "military threat to Russia," they meant their own threat to Germany and Europe. The Germans decided not to be intimidated. Since the "threat" from Russia is a terrible threat with cheap raw materials, which are delivered like clockwork. And the threat of the Americans is that their stations will kill Merkel personally. Will the United States go to war with Europe? But the question is that European business no longer wants to obey. Billions of fines, which the United States began to levy for anything, the seizure of production, the completely gangster behavior of "hail on a hill" got Europe. And apparently the businessmen told Merkel that they could kill her too. Or they can defend, because the intelligence players are not like European specialists from private intelligence corporations.
    What, I wonder, did the brainless Poles want to talk to Germany about? Plague...
  20. 0
    26 May 2021 16: 03
    Nothing. Soon you will fight for Gazprom to give the go-ahead for the construction of a gas pipeline from Norway to Poland.
  21. 0
    26 May 2021 16: 11
    A Polish prostitute always rushes from corner to corner, just to shit somewhere or suck off those who give more
  22. 0
    26 May 2021 19: 11
    Today, few people in the world doubt that the pipeline will be completed,

    There are the last of the magikans .. Poland and Ukraine laughing
    They were handed over to the USA .. But for what and how much, no one knows yet ..
  23. 0
    26 May 2021 23: 03
    Throughout the foreseeable history, the Poles have chosen the wrong partners. Hence the beauty of the Poles - all the flags visit them ... love