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"There is a bomb on board": Transcript of Ryanair pilots' talks with Belarusian dispatcher published

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The Department aviation The Ministry of Transport of Belarus has published a transcript of the negotiations between the pilots of the Athens-Vilnius flight of Ryanair with the Belarusian dispatcher. He informed the crew that there was a bomb on board.


The recording was published on the official website of the Belarusian Aviation Department.

Soon after this conversation, the plane landed at the Minsk airport.

For the first time, the dispatcher contacted the crew on May 23 at 12.30 Moscow time to report the information received from the special services about the bomb planted on board the liner, which was not subsequently confirmed. The message, which the airport administration received by e-mail on behalf of the Hamas movement, said that the attackers were planning to detonate a bomb over Vilnius.

The dispatcher advised the pilots to land in Minsk, but they refused, deciding to head to Vilnius. Soon they themselves contacted the dispatching service, changing their mind and accepting the proposal of the Belarusian dispatcher. Probably, this was influenced by the situation in the passenger compartment and the Belarusian Air Force fighter that appeared next to the aircraft.

Excerpt from the dispatcher's and pilots' talks:

Dispatcher:

For your information, we have information from the special services that you have a bomb on board and it may be activated over Vilnius.

Pilot:

Ok, could you repeat the message?

Dispatcher:

I repeat once again, we have information from the special services that you have a bomb on board. This bomb can be activated over Vilnius ...

Dispatcher:

For safety reasons, we recommend that you land at UMMS.


Pilot:

The bomb ... The message, where did it come from? Where did you get information about this?

Dispatcher:

Airport security officials said they received an email.

Pilot:

Vilnius airport security service or from Greece?

Dispatcher:

This email has been sent to several airports.

Pilot:

Once again, this recommendation to redirect to Minsk, where did it come from? Where did it come from? Company? Did she come from the airport of departure or from the airport of arrival?

Dispatcher:

These are our recommendations.

Pilot:

Can you tell me again?

Dispatcher:

These are our recommendations.

Pilot:

I need an answer to the question, which code is (unreadable) green, yellow or red?

Dispatcher:

They say the code is red ...

Pilot:

We declare an emergency MAYDAY, MAYDAY, MAYDAY. Our intentions are to redirect to Minsk airport ...
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  1. Prax1
    Prax1 25 May 2021 17: 52
    -90%
    Most likely, the fighters got in touch and ordered to deploy. There's nothing you can do about it ...
    1. Hyperion
      Hyperion 25 May 2021 18: 00
      -50%
      They said right away that the pilots themselves asked to go to Minsk. How will the mustachioed now get out?
      1. Machito
        Machito 25 May 2021 18: 20
        +43
        Why should he get out now? He recruited Protasevich. Now Poland and Lithuania need to get out, as they wanted to arrange a coup d'etat in a neighboring state. I hope that Old Man will completely stop transit through Lithuania and Poland. They must be beaten with a ruble, with a ruble.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 25 May 2021 19: 06
          -44%
          Quote: Bearded
          They must be beaten with a ruble, with a ruble.

          That is, their ruble, and yourself? Russia will compensate for the frostbitten ears of the dad?
          1. Machito
            Machito 25 May 2021 19: 22
            +4
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Quote: Bearded
            They must be beaten with a ruble, with a ruble.

            That is, their ruble, and yourself? Russia will compensate for the frostbitten ears of the dad?

            In the West, Gromyko is still remembered as Mr. NO, and Lavrov is Mr. Concern. You have to be tougher, like Khrushch knocking on the podium with a slipper. They will never respect us. They must always be afraid of us.
            If they won't buy our bonds, we will turn off the gas.
            1. Kisa
              Kisa 25 May 2021 22: 48
              -16%
              Quote: Bearded
              You have to be tougher

              hmm interesting news appeared half an hour ago - Svetka the cook was removed from the list of wanted people on the territory of the Russian Federation, how ... is it now a purely Belarusian showdown? Will Vova fix the Cockroach thoroughly and seriously the day after tomorrow so that he doesn't jump out? ...
              it seems the cockroach has gone too far, although it is not badly conceived on the eve of a big meeting in
              Switzerland try to clean up their ends when those and these are trying to smooth the corners as much as possible. ......
              and probably the Kremlin is not ready for such expenses. I also understand for the Crimea the price tag of the sanctions to endure and drag on, and so on. but it's not very obvious to pay for this tyrant
            2. Aviatika
              Aviatika 25 May 2021 23: 00
              -16%
              How do you know how Mr. Gromyko is remembered? And who remembers him? But we must remember that under Brezhnev a real detente ensued and the Helsinki Pact was signed. For a tenth of Putin's adventurism, he would not have been spanked and expelled from the party, but simply by his respected colleagues in the Politburo, Mr. NO's respected colleagues in the Politburo would have been sent to prison or to a psychiatric hospital. This is precisely Khrushchev's adventurism. Adventurism of the weak. And Brezhnev achieved real parity and quite calmly after that achieved real detente. True, when I got old, I got into Afghanistan and medium-range missiles. But here ... insanity is insanity
            3. lopvlad
              lopvlad 26 May 2021 01: 22
              -5
              Quote: Aviatika
              True, when I got old, I got into Afghanistan and medium-range missiles


              so it is not he but his receivers. Or rather Gorbachev, nicknamed by the people labeled.
              1. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 26 May 2021 18: 36
                +5
                I'm on the topic of the article.
                From the dispatcher's negotiations with the pilot clearly it is clear that on the pilot the controller Did NOT press and did NOT force, but the pilot CAM decided to land in Minsk! Everything else is speculation and innuendo.
        2. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 25 May 2021 19: 16
          -38%
          Quote: Bearded
          Now Poland and Lithuania need to get out, as they wanted to arrange a coup d'etat in a neighboring state.

          Poland and Lithuania, however, like the entire EU, in full force, recognize Lukashenko, not as the head of the Republic of Belarus, but as a person who seized power by force. To the question of a basket - how dare you, there will be an answer - what do you really have. That's all the excuses in general.
          Quote: Bearded
          Old Man will completely stop transit through Lithuania and Poland. They must be beaten with a ruble, with a ruble.

          Ches word, funny. Poland, Lithuania and Ukraine are among the few with whom Belarus has a positive trade balance. If trade with them is zeroed, then the balance will drop from minus 4 billion dollars to minus 6.6 billion. And in Belarus with finances, and so ... Complete ass. External debt over the past year increased by 8.5%, to 18.6 billion. In principle, there are no prospects for a decrease. If last year the budget deficit of the RBY was 150 million rubles (Belarusian) per month, then in the first quarter of 2021 it is already 235. For the tax collection fell, in the first quarter, compared to last year, by about one billion. Filthy protestors scatter. Vaughn new news wrote back in October that more than 13 thousand people had already left the Republic of Bashkortostan. And it was clearly not those who left bread for bread that left, but the owners of small businesses and simply strong taxpayers. And collecting taxes from sailors is such an occupation for a violent optimist. In general, if sitting on bayonets is not a cheap pleasure. laughing And now the basket is not thinking about who to punish with a ruble, but how not to be left without pants. lol So, information for. Exports to Poland, Lithuania and Ukraine - more than 5 billion. Or 9% of the GDP of the Republic of Belarus. And if the basket spits in this feeding hand ... the West is not us. Wipe off spitting. and then understand and forgive, not their style.
          By the way. About punishment by the ruble. The EU is already talking about a ban on the import of products from Belarusian refineries. And the Ministry of Finance of the Republic of Bashkortostan, what is urgent for them, by the end of June, they need another 500 million loans from us. Shall, once again, $ 3 from each Russian, for a comfortable life for Mr. Lukoshkin? fellow
        3. Kaman
          Kaman 25 May 2021 19: 41
          -51%
          Along the way, if the pilots refused to land in Minsk, Luka would order to shoot down the plane and dump everything on the Hamas bomb
          1. Moskal 55
            Moskal 55 25 May 2021 20: 25
            +29
            It's time to switch to Putin! Why waste time on trifles! It's even boring to read you! Not Batka would have ordered to shoot down, but Putin personally, but the Petrovs and Boshirovs, who would manage the Buk hidden in the center of Minsk, would have personally commanded Shoigu! If you really breach, so on a grand scale! Otherwise, you cannot even lie beautifully, you only demonstrate your impotence!
          2. Radius
            Radius 25 May 2021 22: 33
            -3
            Quote: Kaman
            Along the way, if the pilots refused to land in Minsk, Luka would order to shoot down the plane and dump everything on the Hamas bomb

            Old Man is not.
          3. aszzz888
            aszzz888 26 May 2021 01: 39
            +5
            Kaman (Kaman)
            Yesterday, 19: 41
            NEW

            -31%
            Along the way, if the pilots refused to land in Minsk, Luka would order to shoot down the plane and dump everything on the Hamas bomb
            fool fool fool Bold minus!!!
        4. Naive
          Naive 25 May 2021 23: 21
          -2
          Only yi have few rubles!
        5. BigBoss
          BigBoss 26 May 2021 09: 52
          +3
          1. The Minister of Transport of the Republic of Belarus officially announced that there was a message from Hamas.
          2. Hamas officially announced that it had nothing to do with this and they did not send any messages. Hamas operates only in Palestinian territory.
          3. The external public debt of Belarus at the end of 2020 amounted to $ 18,6 billion, having increased by 8,4% since the beginning of the year, the press service of the Ministry of Finance of the republic said. The budget of the Republic of Belarus for 2020 is 15,8 billion dollars.
          Whom are you going to beat with a ruble?
          1. Roman070280
            Roman070280 26 May 2021 10: 37
            0
            There is trouble with a head .. only patriotism remained ..))
      2. sabakina
        sabakina 25 May 2021 18: 26
        +36
        Quote: Hyperion
        They said right away that the pilots themselves asked to go to Minsk. How will the mustachioed now get out?

        The first part of your proposal contradicts the second. How will you get out?
        1. BigBoss
          BigBoss 26 May 2021 09: 53
          +1
          1. The Minister of Transport of the Republic of Belarus officially announced that there was a message from Hamas.
          2. Hamas officially announced that it had nothing to do with this and they did not send any messages.
          How will dad get out of it now?
      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 25 May 2021 19: 16
        +13
        Quote: Hyperion
        How will the mustachioed now get out?

        But did the Belarusian authorities claim the opposite ?!
        it was the liberda all over the world that screamed that batska personally flew on a broomstick and drove the plane to Minsk with a stick
        1. BigBoss
          BigBoss 26 May 2021 09: 54
          -5
          1. The Minister of Transport of the Republic of Belarus officially announced that there was a message from Hamas.
          2. Hamas officially announced that it had nothing to do with this and they did not send any messages.
          How will dad get out of it now?
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 26 May 2021 11: 14
            +2
            Quote: BigBoss
            How will dad get out of it now?

            First, how does Hamas' refusal affect the current situation?
            the mail was probably recorded, it is quite possible that the subject says "Hamas secretariat" laughing
            secondly, why baht to get out, the decryption corresponds to the official statements
        2. Roman070280
          Roman070280 26 May 2021 10: 40
          -5
          They immediately said that the pilots themselves asked to Minsk.

          liberda screamed all over the world that batska personally flew on a broomstick and drove the plane to Minsk


          For those who have forgotten their heads in the tank .. At first they said that the pilots themselves asked to go to Minsk ..
          Now, as we can see from the negotiations, the plane was driven to Minsk ..
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 26 May 2021 11: 17
            +2
            Quote: Roman070280
            For those who have forgotten their heads in the tank .. At first they said that the pilots themselves asked to go to Minsk ..
            eeeee excuse me somewhere I wrote that the pilots asked for somewhere? !!!
            or maybe the leadership of the Republic of Belarus wrote about it
            and now stick your head out of the tank, the pilots WAS RECOMMENDED to land in Minsk, they agreed with this, without coercion and without threats
      4. Achilles
        Achilles 25 May 2021 22: 07
        +10
        Quote: Hyperion
        They said right away that the pilots themselves asked to go to Minsk. How will the mustachioed now get out?

        And where in the negotiations it is clear that someone is forcing someone, here it is written in Russian "we recommend". And if you look at the rule of international flights, then Belarus generally has the right to force this plane to land, tk. the rules say: "if there is a person or persons on board who are wanted by the country in the airspace of which this aircraft is located, then this country has the right to force this aircraft to land at its airport." The old man generally needed to lift the fighters into the air and force them, and that was according to the rules. Ukraine has already done this and no one raised a squeak.
        1. Roman070280
          Roman070280 26 May 2021 10: 42
          -4
          They immediately said that the pilots themselves asked to Minsk.


          And where in the negotiations it is clear that someone is forcing someone, here in Russian it says "we recommend"


          There, in the negotiations in Russian it is written that the pilots themselves did not ask to go to Minsk ..
          You make excuses clumsily ..
    2. Finches
      Finches 25 May 2021 18: 07
      +8
      Lyokha, are you there in the author, or what, the godfather for the second day in a row includes Wi-Fi in the Lenin's room? laughing
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 25 May 2021 19: 18
        +7
        Quote: Finches
        Lech, are you there in the autoretet or something

        just after tyrnet works hard
      2. gurzuf
        gurzuf 25 May 2021 19: 24
        +6
        He has already mastered the first theses of the inmate - it is better to knock than to knock. lol
    3. spirit
      spirit 25 May 2021 18: 13
      +11
      The story is very similar to the one that happened with the Kyrgyz side! When Iran, with the help of force, landed the plane, took off the unwanted passenger and then slapped him. But since it was a terrorist (recognized by everyone), the scandal was hushed up
      1. loki565
        loki565 25 May 2021 18: 29
        +29
        Well, the United States planted board number 1 in order to search and everything is democratic)))
      2. sabakina
        sabakina 25 May 2021 18: 33
        +1
        spirit, I vaguely recall a film, perhaps even ours, where the pilots delicately turned the plane around so that the criminal did not even notice that the plane landed at the airport of departure.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 25 May 2021 18: 54
          +3
          Quote: sabakina
          I vaguely recall a film, perhaps even ours, where the pilots delicately turned the plane around so that the criminal did not even notice that the plane landed at the airport of departure.

          In 1975, having taken off from Palanga, a repeat offender with a pistol turned out to be on board, after takeoff he fired a couple of times at the ceiling and at the cockpit door. The pilot asked what he wanted, the answer was "To Stockholm". The pilot agreed, made some good turns and flew off. Went to land on the flagpole US flag. The offender ordered to open the door, jumped onto the lane, a man approached him from whom the offender asks "Stockholm?" the man says, "Stockholm your aunt, American base, fire the gun." It was a police chief. I put it in a "cancer neck and took it away. It turned out that the plane landed at a military airfield near Pärnu. The plane took off and in half an hour was in Tallinn."
      3. Avior
        Avior 25 May 2021 18: 40
        -3
        There is another explanation, simpler

        ... There are two different versions of the arrest of Abdulmalik Riga. According to the Iranian government, on February 23, 2010, Abdulmalik was on board a flight from Dubai (United Arab Emirates) to Bishkek (Kyrgyzstan) with a fake Afghan passport [16] [17] [18]. When the plane was over the Persian Gulf, it was intercepted by Iranian fighters and the pilot was ordered to land on Iranian territory .... According to a former US intelligence officer, Abdulmalik Rigi was captured by Pakistani security forces and taken to Iran with US support: “It doesn't matter what the Iranians say. They know the truth ”[20].
      4. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 25 May 2021 22: 12
        +4
        Quote: spirit
        The story is very reminiscent the one that happened to the Kyrgyz side! When Iran with the help of force landed the plane took off the unwanted passenger, and then slapped him

        Reminds you yes but that's a completely different story. By the way, no one is going to spank this pretzel, because a living Protasevich with the issuance of a heap of useful, but inconvenient, information to the mountain will bring much "more benefit" to the West. This freak in the Minsk SIZO will be guarded like a crystal vase, more for the West, the best option would be if he died in a cell.
    4. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 25 May 2021 19: 14
      +16
      Quote: Prax1
      Most likely, the fighters got in touch and ordered to deploy. There's nothing you can do about it ...

      you read the transcript, where at least a word about a military board
      ps carefully re-read the manual, perhaps an error crept in there, there was only one fighter
    5. Berkut752
      Berkut752 25 May 2021 20: 06
      +2
      The fighters appeared 16 minutes later, as the plane headed for Minsk.
    6. Prax1
      Prax1 25 May 2021 20: 10
      -26%
      And what are so many disadvantages gentlemen? This version is quite viable!
    7. AC130 Ganship
      AC130 Ganship 25 May 2021 20: 14
      -17%
      In your opinion, what percentage of pilots in the Air Force of Belarus (or Russia), who can really communicate (albeit with a heavy accent, but just communicate) with an English speaker? Or will they again say that Moscow has sent a trained specialist?
      Whatever the answer, but one candidate in the elections again less ...
  2. nuguma20051980
    nuguma20051980 25 May 2021 17: 53
    -8
    In the end it's comical
    We declare an emergency MAYDAY, MAYDAY, MAYDAY. Our intentions are to redirect to Minsk airport ...
    1. Kurare
      Kurare 25 May 2021 18: 00
      +22
      Quote: nuguma20051980
      In the end it's comical

      Nothing comical, standard procedure and expressions.
    2. Avior
      Avior 25 May 2021 18: 01
      -17%
      It looks comical, since the author pulled on excerpts
      In fact, they were asked for their intentions.
      But the main thing is that the initiative to land in Minsk comes from the dispatchers, and Lukashenko claimed that the pilots themselves requested Minsk
      It is now clear why they said at the last moment before the border - so that there would be no choice.
      As for Vilnius, the dispatchers said that the plane could be blown up there, no one was going to fly there, as the author said in the article
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 25 May 2021 18: 10
        +21
        Quote: Avior
        the initiative to land in Minsk comes from the dispatchers, and Lukashenko claimed that the pilots themselves requested Minsk

        I don't see lies. The dispatcher, based on the information that the plane could be blown up over Vilnius, suggested landing in Minsk as an option. The decision to land in Minsk was already made by the pilot himself. Hence the request of the pilot to land in Minsk. Nobody forced them to sit there.
        1. Avior
          Avior 25 May 2021 18: 32
          -29%
          Yeah. The dispatcher offered one option - Minsk, about Vilnius said that they could blow up, did not connect with the company, although he was asked - and then wanted to know - what did they choose?
          Did they have a choice to choose?
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 25 May 2021 21: 44
            0
            Quote: Avior
            Yeah. The dispatcher suggested one option ...

            In general, it is very interesting what the relevant services of the Republic of Belarus did, except for frightening the crew: did they contact Vilnius? The Poles were informed that the plane formally belongs to a Polish company and is registered there? Have you tried to notify Operations? If any of this would have been done - now all this kipish would not be
        2. KeithRichards
          KeithRichards 25 May 2021 18: 48
          -15%
          To be blown up or sit down in Minsk .. Hmm .. what to choose ..

          There are still a lot of details in the decoding (even though there are very interesting places where * sounds unintelligible *), for example, where the pilot says "we have contact * illegible *" and the fact that the controller was silent for almost 5 minutes after the pilot asked for frequencies to clarify the decision of his airline, which he was never given, instead they slipped the frequencies of the dispatcher in Vilnius
        3. Naive
          Naive 25 May 2021 23: 42
          -4
          Logically, the plane is located a couple of minutes from the EMPTY airport in Grodno, the military and also empty airfield in Orsha, the question is why drive the MINED board over 200 km to the filled Minsk if the bomb should go off in VILNIUS, which is 70 km away? Another question, what did the Belaeronavigatsia management do at the airport from the very morning, accompanied by some murky types? And why did they overtake ambulances and firefighters to the airport BEFORE the start of the performance? And there are many such questions! Escho representatives of the airline do not say anything ... I think soon ...
          1. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 25 May 2021 23: 52
            +2
            Quote: Naive
            why drive the MINED board over 200 km to the filled Minsk ...
            Suppose that there really was a signal about the bomb (there is information that it came from Greece). And if the special services considered the option with a bomb, then a place where specialized specialists were available was recommended for landing the aircraft. And if we consider the possibility of an explosion (the fighter was flying the plane over the least populated area), then hospitals should be close by. There were simply no alternatives to the airfield in the capital of Belarus.
            1. Naive
              Naive 26 May 2021 00: 05
              -9
              210 less than 70? If there is a bomb on the plane, it is most likely with a timer! The question is at what point on the approach to Minsk the liner should explode? Are there any answers to the last questions? You don't have to answer me a lot of such questions ... By the way, yesterday one mustachioed promised another series of fairy tales ... So the day has passed and there is nothing to say (he even canceled the meetings in the palace (thumped the campaign)).
          2. Tatyana Pershina
            Tatyana Pershina 27 May 2021 09: 30
            -1
            Until now, I believed that EVERYONE understands better than specialists in medicine and pedagogy. It turned out not so: everyone is also well versed in international air traffic law.
      2. Machito
        Machito 25 May 2021 18: 25
        +19
        It's too late to drink Borjomi when the kidneys have failed. The coordinator of the Minsk Maidan is already working for the KGB, and is handing over the enemy residence, financial channels and recruited agents. Protasevich will tell you on TV how the CIA recruited him and gave him the task of destroying the country. This special operation will be cooler than Snowden. Bravo, Old Man, washed the striped ones.
        1. pitr_74
          pitr_74 25 May 2021 21: 34
          -18%
          Don't forget to put on a tin foil hat, it will save you ..
        2. spacekitty
          spacekitty 26 May 2021 06: 17
          -2
          The confidence that Protasevich can know something sacred is surprising. What will he tell? About the three cripples who ran the channel?
      3. sabakina
        sabakina 25 May 2021 18: 38
        -1
        Avior, you're right, you should have told the whole truth to the pilots when crossing the border. repeat
      4. Kisa
        Kisa 25 May 2021 19: 06
        +5
        really a piece fell out of the conversation
        12-45 pilots asked their intentions to confirm that they were staying on the course to Vilnius, maybe 3 times closer there, and at 12-47 they already confirmed that they were going to Minsk. I have a suspicion that VO is deliberately editing the pitch. there is already a transcript of the negotiations with a synchronometer for viewing in Russian and English
        1. Avior
          Avior 25 May 2021 19: 34
          0
          Pilot (09:41:58): RYR 1TZ Once again, redirect this recommendation to Minsk, where did it come from? Where did it come from? Company? Did it come from the departure airport or the arrival airport?
          ATC: RYR 1TZ is our recommendation.
          Pilot: repeat, please.
          ATC: RYR 1TZ is our recommendation.
          Pilot: I can't understand.
          Pilot: You said it was your recommendation?
          ATC: RYR 1TZ, Charlie-Charlie ("accepted", aviation slang - Gazeta.Ru).

          ATC (09.42.49): RYR 1TZ we have a landing frequency for Vilnius 131.750
          Pilot: 131.75 and we have contact ... (inaudible).

          ATC (09: 44: 38): RYR 1TZ, please let us know your decision
          Pilot: Radar, RYR 1TZ
          ATC: RYR 1TZ, please let us know your decision

          Pilot (09:44:52): I need an answer to the question, which code is (inaudible) green, yellow or amber red.
          ATC: Expect.

          ATC (09:44:52): RYR 1TZ they say, the code is red.
          Pilot: Roger, in which case we ask you to hold your current position.
          ATC: RYR 1TZ accepted, hold your position, stick to FL390, make turns as you see fit.
          Pilot: Okay, currently holding position at our discretion FL390 RYR 1TZ.

          Pilot (09: 47: 12): RYR 1TZ we declare an emergency MAYDAY, MAYDAY, MAYDAY ("May-day", international distress signal in radiotelephone communication, analogue of SOS. - Gazeta.Ru)
          RYR 1TZ. We intend to redirect to the Minsk airport.
          ATC: RYR 1TZ MAYDAY, accepted. Expect vectors.

          The transcript of the recording of the negotiations between the dispatcher of the Minsk airport and the pilot of the Ryanair aircraft has been published by the Aviation Department of the Ministry of Transport and Communications of Belarus. It would also be necessary to look at the transcript from the black box of the plane - what and how is heard and said there and is there any difference between them.
          But there is an investigation going on, so it is unlikely to be posted quickly.
          1. Gardener91
            Gardener91 25 May 2021 22: 45
            -9
            Quote: Avior
            But there is an investigation going on, so it is unlikely to be posted quickly.

            They will not lay it out, but they will definitely impose it ... on the very head and the pilots will confirm everything that is required of them, under the cameras and the protocol.
          2. Radius
            Radius 26 May 2021 06: 32
            -1
            Not "charlie" but "roger", actually ...
      5. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 25 May 2021 19: 28
        0
        Quote: Avior
        But the main thing is that the landing initiative in Minsk comes from the dispatchers.

        and where did you read that ?! dispatchers RECOMMENDED
        1. Avior
          Avior 25 May 2021 19: 39
          -6
          ATC (09:31:42): RYR 1TZ for security reasons we recommend that you land at UMMS (Minsk National Airport - Gazeta.Ru).
          Pilot: Ok ... that's ... accepted, give us an alternative, please.

          but the pilots never got an alternative. So they had no choice ...
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            1. Avior
              Avior 25 May 2021 19: 42
              -6
              they could not, they were told directly that the plane could be blown up over Vilnius.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 25 May 2021 19: 49
                0
                What are you ?!
                and in the know that they basically have a spare airport
                the decision was made by the crew and there is no need to shaggy grandmother
                1. Avior
                  Avior 25 May 2021 21: 46
                  -1
                  no need to compose
                  read the transcript
                  find information on alternate airport
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 25 May 2021 21: 49
                    -5
                    Quote: Avior
                    find information on alternate airport

                    I understand that you would like to argue, but any board has a spare airport on the route
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 25 May 2021 21: 52
                      0
                      I understand what you are writing without understanding what it is about
                      A spare for other purposes, they didn't even talk about it.
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 25 May 2021 22: 09
                        -1
                        alternate aerodrome for ONE target - landing if the main one does not accept
                        And the funny thing is, Minsk could have been a spare for him.
                      2. Avior
                        Avior 25 May 2021 22: 22
                        0
                        could be Minsk
                        but this was not the choice of the landing site by the crew, he had one option.
                      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 25 May 2021 22: 41
                        -4
                        arguing with a Jew is all one that is against the wind
                        was there any compulsion to land?
                      4. Gardener91
                        Gardener91 25 May 2021 22: 55
                        -2
                        Quote: Avior
                        he had one option.

                        In this case, only landing in Minsk. They are not suicidal.
                    2. Gardener91
                      Gardener91 25 May 2021 22: 54
                      -2
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      And the funny thing is, Minsk could have been a spare for him.

                      So it was.
      6. Gardener91
        Gardener91 25 May 2021 22: 51
        -3
        Quote: Avior
        but the pilots never got an alternative. So they had no choice ...

        The pilots were in the area of ​​responsibility of the Minsk Department of Internal Affairs! What is the alternative, to plant in Machulishchi, Baranovichi? This is a different department, although in this case, with the threat of an explosion on board, it is advisable to land the board at a military airfield, and forcibly! Then the howl of the jackal would be heard up to the moon.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 25 May 2021 23: 32
          -4
          they could hardly have landed on a military airfield, they needed a customs and border structure
          1. Gardener91
            Gardener91 25 May 2021 23: 48
            -1
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            could hardly have landed on a military airfield,

            They are forcibly put on military airfields, and those coercive boards from which airfield the duty forces were raised.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 26 May 2021 09: 24
              +1
              so forcibly no one planted
  3. Podvodnik
    Podvodnik 25 May 2021 19: 45
    +7
    the landing initiative in Minsk comes from the dispatchers


    What else did the dispatcher have to do? Send in three letters? He suggested landing in his area of ​​responsibility. All of these services operate in accordance with instructions and protocols. What's wrong?
    1. Avior
      Avior 25 May 2021 21: 54
      -8
      it is not what I have already explained ten times.
      The statement that the crew chose Minsk for landing themselves is a hoax.
      is it clear?
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 25 May 2021 23: 33
        0
        Quote: Avior
        chose Minsk myself

        from the point of view of a resident of Israel should have chosen Tel Aviv?
  • Dude
    Dude 25 May 2021 19: 11
    +3
    Quote: nuguma20051980
    In the end it's comical
    We declare an emergency MAYDAY, MAYDAY, MAYDAY. Our intentions are to redirect to Minsk airport ...

    And if the PAN-PAN pilot had broadcast, you probably would have burst out laughing at all?
  • Finches
    Finches 25 May 2021 20: 47
    +3
    This is a reaction to the TTT guns of agents Petrov and Boshirov inserted in the back of the pilots laughing
    1. Machito
      Machito 25 May 2021 21: 37
      +1
      Totoshka has a wide barrel. laughing
      And the front sight is big.
  • Avior
    Avior 25 May 2021 17: 57
    -23%
    ... but they refused, deciding to head to Vilnius.

    That still dreamer wrote an article, it seems
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 25 May 2021 18: 01
      +9
      Avior, did you fly this flight? Tell us the truth, mother!
    2. Avior
      Avior 25 May 2021 19: 46
      -11%
      minusers got out as a team.
      minuses were instructed, and no one was able to provide evidence of the author's obvious invention that the crew allegedly refused, deciding to go to Vilnius.
      1. Gardener91
        Gardener91 25 May 2021 22: 58
        0
        Quote: Avior
        that the crew allegedly refused, deciding to head to Vilnius.

        Would you fly ... to Vilnius?
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 25 May 2021 18: 06
    +8
    Actually, based on the results of the negotiations, the final decision was made by the aircraft commander, and this is natural. The likelihood of a bomb cannot be ruled out, the world is restless, so several factors simply merged together by chance, which led to the landing of the plane, the disembarkation of passengers, the capture and landing (while in jail) of one of the five-column opposition oppositionists. So, the fairy tale came out beautiful, although the end for one passenger is not so joyful in the end. ..
    1. Avior
      Avior 25 May 2021 18: 34
      -19%
      ... the final decision was made by the aircraft commander,

      Choosing from one proposed option is a strong move.
      1. Reviews
        Reviews 25 May 2021 18: 50
        +10
        Quote: Avior
        ... the final decision was made by the aircraft commander,

        Choosing from one proposed option is a strong move.

        And why lie?
        ATC: 09:31:42: RYR 1TZ for security reason we recommend you to land at UMMS.


        The dispatcher recommended some action. I could not recommend anything at all (it happens), but I recommended the only one. And then the choice of the crew: accept the only recommendation; come up with your own course of action if there is no recommendation; or do nothing at all.

        The same question (about not lying) about the frequency.
        Pilot: Could you give us frequency for (unreadable) company so that we would be able to (unreadable).
        ATC: RYR 1TZ say again what frequency do you need.
        Pilot: We just need to quawk with the operation of the company, if there any frequency for that (unreadable).
        ATC. Do you need RYR operation frequency?
        Pilot: That is correct 1TZ.
        ATC: Standby please.


        How does one need to be an idiot not to know the frequencies of one's own "operations"? This info is included in any standard pre-flight briefing. If the Belarusian side did not cheat in the printout of the radio exchange, then unpleasant questions arise for the crew. If everything is correct here, then they were playing for time, "including the fool." And they did it very stupidly.
        1. Avior
          Avior 25 May 2021 19: 18
          -18%
          The dispatcher recommended some action.

          one and only. And after Lukashenka lied that it was the choice of the crew.
          Crew selection: accept the only recommendation; come up with your own course of action if there is no recommendation; or do nothing at all.

          yes, do nothing, great advice. Have you thought for a long time?
          The same question (about not lying) about the frequency.

          the dispatchers did not provide the frequency, although someone wrote the opposite above.
        2. Avior
          Avior 25 May 2021 19: 41
          -12%
          the board requested other alternatives, besides Minsk, from air traffic controllers
          ATC (09:31:42): RYR 1TZ for security reasons we recommend that you land at UMMS (Minsk National Airport - Gazeta.Ru).
          Pilot: Ok ... that's ... accepted, give us an alternative, please.

          but he did not receive them, so there was no choice.
          1. Reviews
            Reviews 25 May 2021 19: 52
            +7
            Quote: Avior
            one and only.

            Once again, real life is not a game "Who Wants to be a Millionaire" with its four possible answers, it may not have any visible solutions at all. Read less bad lady fiction.
            And after Lukashenka lied that it was the choice of the crew.

            Yes, the crew chose between submitting to the recommendation and seeking their solution.
            yes, do nothing, great advice.

            This is just one of the solutions, from real life. Whatever the case.
            As the saying goes, "if you don't know what to do, don't do anything." ABC. Well, of course, those who study life from the books of Clive Kassler cannot understand this.
            the dispatchers did not provide the frequency

            And again "once again". The dispatcher does not need to know this frequency. If the crew does not know their own frequencies, then it should be driven to complete training, at least.
            1. Avior
              Avior 25 May 2021 21: 13
              -9
              Once again, real life is not a game "Who Wants to be a Millionaire" with its four possible answers, it may not have any visible solutions at all. Read less bad lady fiction.

              again. If the PIC did not request permission to land in Minsk, all the more on his own initiative, this means in Russian that he did not request it. In English, by the way, too.
              and the one who claims the opposite is deceiving.
              is it clear?
              Yes, the crew chose between submitting to the recommendation and seeking their solution.

              It is about the landing site. The crew did not choose anything - they had no choice. One option was offered - he agreed with him in the absence of other options.
              So see?
              yes, do nothing, great advice

              but not for the airborne crew. For him, this is completely stupid advice. The plane will crash.
              Is this really incomprehensible to you?
              And again "once again". The dispatcher does not need to know this frequency.

              And who is obliged? These were the frequencies of a specific ATC area.
              or do you think he was trying to contact Ireland directly?
              1. Reviews
                Reviews 26 May 2021 04: 49
                +1
                Quote: Avior
                The crew did not choose anything - they had no choice. One option was offered - he agreed with him in the absence of other options.
                So see?

                And who is obliged? These were the frequencies of a specific ATC area.
                or do you think he was trying to contact Ireland directly?


                "On a stake - it was wet."

                Following the crew, the "avior" switched on and locked the same gas station, and a conversation with him was meaningless - he was jammed and looped through the entrance to the exit. So it will mumble the same mantra.
                Tired of it.
                1. Avior
                  Avior 26 May 2021 14: 07
                  -1
                  still would. in fact, you never wrote what frequencies the crew requested.
                  The dispatcher understood him. Obviously you don't know.
                  But argue persistently, carefully avoiding substantive discussion.
                  1. Reviews
                    Reviews 27 May 2021 07: 51
                    +1
                    Quote: Avior
                    still would. in fact, you never wrote what frequencies the crew requested.
                    The dispatcher understood him. Obviously you don't know.
                    But argue persistently, carefully avoiding substantive discussion.

                    There is nothing to argue about, everything is clear here for a long time. Here is the usual ignorance of you materiel and absolutely ram's stubbornness in repeating the same senseless "mantra", which is the product of someone's addict-woman's little head.
                    Fuck off, I said.
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 27 May 2021 08: 18
                      -2
                      In short, as soon as you were pushed against the wall and you cannot answer, you fell into rudeness. Predictable ...
                      hi
                      1. Reviews
                        Reviews 27 May 2021 08: 32
                        -2
                        Quote: Avior
                        you were pushed against the wall

                        :))) What a funny liar you are. She invented nonsense herself, she believed and herself declared it importantly. At the wall now, you can't answer exactly, because you talk the same thing about "this is not a choice" from time to time. You yourself would re-read what you grumble about. Just first jump off the rubbish on which you sit, otherwise you cannot distinguish an airplane from moonshine.
                      2. Avior
                        Avior 27 May 2021 08: 38
                        -2
                        You are not the first one who essentially replaces the inability to answer with rudeness.
                        Widespread breed on the Internet
                      3. Reviews
                        Reviews 27 May 2021 08: 47
                        0
                        Quote: Avior
                        You are not the first one who essentially replaces the inability to answer with rudeness.
                        Widespread breed on the Internet

                        Oh, they gave you a mirror. :) Only they did not explain its purpose. Just, in fact, it is you, the liar, who are not capable of answering. I asked "why lie?", And you slipped into an illiterate verbiage with endless, almost word-for-word repetitions of the same nonsense. You don’t know how aviation works, you don’t know what an airplane is and you are able to figure it out, because you don’t have access to anything more complicated than boiling chicken eggs. You don't even know the word "recommendation".
                      4. Avior
                        Avior 27 May 2021 08: 52
                        -2
                        What, is it burning? Take a breath, otherwise the chair or whatever you are sitting on will burn.
                        You were asked a specific question, and you are ready to write about anything and a lot, just not on the essence of the question asked.
                        The usual practice of verbiage from the Internet.
                        Well, I will not interfere ...
                        hi
                      5. Reviews
                        Reviews 27 May 2021 09: 06
                        -1
                        Quote: Avior
                        What, is it burning? Take a breath, otherwise the chair or whatever you are sitting on will burn.

                        Well, I'm telling you that you are a drug addict. :) You catch some pretty glitches.
                        And you again slipped into the repetition of the same "mantra", only now it's about a "specific question". You haven't asked a single specific question. You just talked about the same nonsense, gleaned in the tabloids, without even trying to figure out how the system works in which everything happened.
                        Devachko ... Go to school, stop embarrassing your parents.
      2. Sly
        Sly 26 May 2021 13: 36
        0
        Quote: Avior
        It is about the landing site. The crew did not choose anything - they had no choice. One option was offered - he agreed with him in the absence of other options.
        So see?

        Listen, what are you talking about? Where did you get this nonsense in your head? Are these your thoughts of a person who is not at all in the subject of aviation rules and you are trying to impose them on everyone else, or are you practicing this scribble on the site because of something? The PIC of an international flight can ignore any recommendations and make decisions on his own, and after the announcement of MAYDAY, he has the right to request a landing AT ANY AERODROME.
        1. Avior
          Avior 26 May 2021 14: 11
          0
          The PIC of an international flight can ignore any recommendations and make decisions on his own, and after the announcement of MAYDAY, he has the right to request a landing AT ANY AERODROME.

          Read the negotiations with the dispatcher.
          He asked what he could sit on. They gave him only one option. He sat down on it, of course.
  • Pandiurin
    Pandiurin 25 May 2021 19: 42
    0
    Quote: Avis
    Quote: Avior
    ... the final decision was made by the aircraft commander,

    Choosing from one proposed option is a strong move.

    And why lie?
    ATC: 09:31:42: RYR 1TZ for security reason we recommend you to land at UMMS.


    The dispatcher recommended some action. I could not recommend anything at all (it happens), but I recommended the only one. And then the choice of the crew: accept the only recommendation; come up with your own course of action if there is no recommendation; or do nothing at all.

    The same question (about not lying) about the frequency.
    Pilot: Could you give us frequency for (unreadable) company so that we would be able to (unreadable).
    ATC: RYR 1TZ say again what frequency do you need.
    Pilot: We just need to quawk with the operation of the company, if there any frequency for that (unreadable).
    ATC. Do you need RYR operation frequency?
    Pilot: That is correct 1TZ.
    ATC: Standby please.


    How does one need to be an idiot not to know the frequencies of one's own "operations"? This info is included in any standard pre-flight briefing. If the Belarusian side did not cheat in the printout of the radio exchange, then unpleasant questions arise for the crew. If everything is correct here, then they were playing for time, "including the fool." And they did it very stupidly.


    He has a company in Britain.
    An airplane is not a mega radio station.
    Flight dispatchers transfer the aircraft from one control area to another. The pilot can normally communicate by radio only with those dispatchers or the airport in the control zone where he is. Apparently, the pilot would like the Belarusian dispatchers to contact the management of the carrier company via ground channels (phone) and broadcast the frequency to the pilot so that he could talk to Britain on the radio.
    Technically, this can be done, but in practice, especially when the bomb ticks, a rather extraordinary wanted and not timely. Probably the pilot was a little confused, he could not make a decision himself, so he began to blunt.
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 25 May 2021 20: 03
      +3
      Flight dispatchers transfer the aircraft from one control area to another.

      You know ... Tell your wife how the Airborne ATM system works. And I know this even without any sofas, and besides, illiterate ones.
      Quote: Pandiurin

      An airplane is not a mega radio station.

      You just don't know what an airplane is. There are both HF and / or satellite channels.
      Apparently, the pilot would like the Belarusian dispatchers to contact the management of the carrier company via ground channels (phone) and broadcast the frequency to the pilot so that he could talk to Britain on the radio.

      "Apparently" you do not know the content of the pre-flight documentation. And above, I wrote for all sorts of xperds that any normal briefing includes all the frequencies that may be needed on a given flight. Including, VHF frequencies of departure / landing / alternate airports and HF frequencies (or other communication channels) of operations, including head ones. From the removal where they were at the time of the start of the incident, they got Vilnius without any problems (destination airport) even on VHF. Didn't they know these frequencies? Danuevonafic, as they say ... Rub this game with your classmates.
      Theoretically, the dispatcher could contact anyone, but knowledge of the telephone numbers of handling in a neighboring country is not included in his circle of mandatory knowledge. He does not even know the numbers of the handlers even in his own country - this is not his sadness. Sometimes he knows the RP, but even then only those that are based in his own a / p, but the "Control" sector is not tied to a specific a / p and may not know at all.
      1. Avior
        Avior 25 May 2021 21: 36
        -5
        from the text of the negotiations it is not clear with whom and where exactly in the company the pilot tried to contact, and what frequencies he needed, and why he did not have them.
        Obviously, the dispatcher easily understood the question, which means that it was not unusual for him.
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 26 May 2021 04: 43
          0
          Quote: Avior

          Obviously, the dispatcher easily understood the question, which means that it was not unusual for him.

          It only means that he is not stupid and knows British English at a good level (the professional requirement is "knowledge of English at least level 4"), no more. It's like admiring the fact that an opera singer is capable of performing in a rock band. And so, dispatchers are sometimes approached with unofficial requests and there is little to surprise them. Until the end of the XNUMXs, they could ask, for example, how they played such a current football match at the World Cup. More formal requests or information are often transmitted through ATC / ATC. But not in this case. Above Belarus, the crew clearly mowed like a fool almost literally in the immortal humorist of Raikin: "All the chickens are dead. Send a new telescope!"
    2. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 25 May 2021 21: 01
      +6
      Quote: Pandiurin
      He has a company in Britain

      So wildly sorry - in Ireland, specifically in Swords, from the airport to the left wink
  • Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell 25 May 2021 20: 56
    +5
    Quote: Avis
    The dispatcher recommended some action. I could not recommend anything at all (it happens), but I recommended the only one. And then the choice of the crew ...
    The guys were a little confused, but acted in accordance with their partA ch10, the general policy of the company: make sure that Ops is informed and follow the instructions of Ops and the ATC: Ops was not there, so the ATC followed. If the information came from the aircraft, there is little other logic.
    Quote: Avis
    How does one need to be an idiot not to know the frequencies of one's own "operations"?
    You are so strict - they actually tried to find a way out for the operation in Dublin, which in a particular situation was impossible to do directly; and the ATC did not really understand them either
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 25 May 2021 19: 35
    +7
    Quote: Avior
    Choosing from one proposed option is a strong move.

    actually it was stupidly recommended, the pilot could well continue the flight along the route
    ps sorry but not from israel to yell that the criminal was detained using force
    1. Avior
      Avior 25 May 2021 19: 49
      -7
      actually it was stupidly recommended, the pilot could well continue the flight along the route

      The pilot was directly told that there was a threat to blow it up specifically over Vilnius, so he could not fly along the route.
      The crew requested alternatives from dispatchers, except for Minsk, and did not wait for them.
      There was nothing more to choose from, there was only one option.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 25 May 2021 19: 57
        -1
        Quote: Avior
        The crew requested alternatives from dispatchers, except for Minsk, and did not wait for them.

        OK, let's discard the alternate port option, name the nearest airports
      2. NKT
        NKT 25 May 2021 20: 16
        +1
        And what alternative could the dispatcher offer him? Should you continue your flight or go to Moscow? If the PIC chose from the alternative - to continue the flight, and the plane would explode, who was to blame?
        1. Avior
          Avior 25 May 2021 21: 42
          -7
          maybe he could not offer any, why not.
          But it's about something completely different.
          In any case, the statement that the pilot allegedly chose Minsk, which comes from Belarus, is an open deception.
          The controller offered the only landing option, the pilot was forced to agree - he simply had no other options.
          But someone needed this lie to prove that it was supposedly the choice of the crew.
          1. Gardener91
            Gardener91 25 May 2021 23: 15
            +1
            Quote: Avior
            But someone needed this lie to prove that it was supposedly the choice of the crew.

            Well, yes, the crew had a choice. Fly along the planned route and nip in Vilnius, or land in Minsk. Well, maybe he wanted for another hill, but it was troublesome and there were no escort fighters from NATO countries over Belarus. Leaked their bastard.
      3. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 25 May 2021 22: 48
        -5
        Quote: Avior
        The pilot was directly told that there was a threat to blow it up specifically over Vilnius, so he could not fly along the route.

        And on the most important LYING, nobody paid attention.
        Here is the translation.
        Belarusian air traffic controllers told the crew that there is a threat of an explosion in the plane, when it crosses country airspace, and ordered him to land in the capital Minsk.
        Artem Sikorsky, head of the aviation department of the Ministry of Transport and Communications, read out a letter to reporters, which said: “We, the Hamas soldiers, demand that for Israel to cease fire in the Gaza Strip. We demand that the European Union renounce its support for Israel in this war ... A bomb has been planted on this flight. If you do not fulfill our demands, a bomb will explode over Vilnius on 23 May. ”
        A deceitful statement runs counter to ceasefire between Israel and the terrorist organization Hamas ruling in Gaza, which came into force on Friday, May 21, at 2 am.

        A Hamas spokesman denied that the group posed a threat.
        “We do not use such methods, and it is quite possible that the perpetrators are suspicious elements, who seek to slander Hamas and damage the world's love for the Palestinian nation and its legitimate resistance, ”Fawzi Barhum said.
        The liars did not even ask that the fighting was over and that Hamas NEVER DIDN'T CONDUCT AN AIRCRAFT ATTACK
        1. Avior
          Avior 26 May 2021 00: 39
          -4
          runs counter to the ceasefire between Israel and the terrorist organization Hamas ruling in Gaza, which went into effect on Friday, May 21 at 2 am.

          here somewhere I brought someone else's post explaining these oddities in a letter.
          according to him, this whole action was planned a week earlier - this explains all the inconsistencies with the dates in the letter.
        2. Radius
          Radius 26 May 2021 06: 47
          +2
          Quote: Vitaly Gusin
          Quote: Avior
          The pilot was directly told that there was a threat to blow it up specifically over Vilnius, so he could not fly along the route.

          And on the most important LYING, nobody paid attention.
          Here is the translation.
          Belarusian air traffic controllers told the crew that there is a threat of an explosion in the plane, when it crosses country airspace, and ordered him to land in the capital Minsk.
          Artem Sikorsky, head of the aviation department of the Ministry of Transport and Communications, read out a letter to reporters, which said: “We, the Hamas soldiers, demand that for Israel to cease fire in the Gaza Strip. We demand that the European Union renounce its support for Israel in this war ... A bomb has been planted on this flight. If you do not fulfill our demands, a bomb will explode over Vilnius on 23 May. ”
          A deceitful statement runs counter to ceasefire between Israel and the terrorist organization Hamas ruling in Gaza, which came into force on Friday, May 21, at 2 am.

          A Hamas spokesman denied that the group posed a threat.
          “We do not use such methods, and it is quite possible that the perpetrators are suspicious elements, who seek to slander Hamas and damage the world's love for the Palestinian nation and its legitimate resistance, ”Fawzi Barhum said.
          The liars did not even ask that the fighting was over and that Hamas NEVER DIDN'T CONDUCT AN AIRCRAFT ATTACK

          Now put yourself in the shoes of the recipient of such a message. Yes, the recipient does not give a damn about "never" and "the fighting is over" ....
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 26 May 2021 09: 03
            -1
            Quote: Radius
            Now put yourself in the shoes of the recipient of such a message.

            And you do not think why this message was sent to Minsk, and not to the owner of the plane and or to the destination. Only they could decide what to do and if THEY decided that it was necessary to land in Minsk, such a decision would follow.
            Minsk was so "worried" that there would be an explosion that they raised the fighter.
  • Okolotochny
    Okolotochny 25 May 2021 22: 04
    +5
    So they planted them “threatening with a fighter”, how is the EU hysterical or the commander made a “no alternative” decision? You have already identified yourself in the Jewish-Ukrainian-Belarusian gang of eternally dissatisfied.
  • sabakina
    sabakina 25 May 2021 18: 51
    +2
    Thrifty, this person, when he flew over the territory of Belarus, probably thought that he had two walnuts in his pants. It turned out, two hazelnuts, and then unripe. wink
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 25 May 2021 19: 06
      -1
      Sabakina -Vyacheslav, he thought that he would calmly fly, but as a result he flew, and flew negative
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 25 May 2021 19: 38
      +1
      Quote: sabakina
      two hazelnuts, and then unripe

      how did you flatter him
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 25 May 2021 18: 07
    -2
    According to INTERFAX on May 24 At a briefing in Minsk, Director of the Aviation Department of the Ministry of Transport and Communications of Belarus Artem Sikorsky said that the message about the bomb on board the Ryanair plane flying from Athens to Vilnius on May 23 and forcibly landed in Minsk was signed by "Hamas soldiers" ...

    "We, the Hamas soldiers, demand that Israel cease fire in the Gaza Strip. We demand that the European Union renounce its support for Israel in this war. Delfi Economic Forum participants are known to return home on flight OP-4978. A bomb has been planted in this plane. If you do not fulfill our demands, the bomb will explode over Vilnius on May 23 "


    To which Hamas immediately announced that the Belarusians were tarnishing their reputation.

    ′ ′ We do not resort to methods that could be done by some suspicious parties seeking to demonize Hamas and smash the state of global sympathy for our Palestinian people and their legitimate resistance, "


    Somehow it even became insulting for Hamas. lol
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 25 May 2021 18: 12
      +3
      Quote: A. Privalov

      It was somehow even insulting for Hamas.

      Well yes...
      Their thoughts would be peaceful, but at the borders of samovar launches ...
      wassat
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 25 May 2021 18: 15
      +6
      Privalov - write a pitiful letter to Hamas, promise not to bomb them again - until next time lol
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 25 May 2021 18: 24
        -3
        Quote: Thrifty
        Privalov - write a pitiful letter to Hamas, promise not to bomb them again - until next time lol


        They sit there, panim, in Gaza, the Hamas people are calm, tea and bagels are blowing, when all of a sudden, out of nowhere, these damned Zionists fly in and well, for nothing, bomb them in the tail and in the mane! Those already sick, do not directly know where to go, and for what they, and where such an attack came from ...
        I'll write for hours. At its best. laughing lol wassat
        1. Thrifty
          Thrifty 25 May 2021 18: 36
          +1
          Privalov -Alexander, the problem is that they drank tea, and your planes raised dust, the steering wheels were blown by the wind angry So they were offended, they began to shoot missiles! lol IR what's your tea and bagels lol
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 25 May 2021 18: 43
            -2
            Quote: Thrifty
            Privalov -Alexander, the problem is that they drank tea, and your planes raised dust, the steering wheels were blown by the wind angry So they were offended, they began to shoot missiles! lol IR what's your tea and bagels lol

            Musa Abu Marzuk (this is the deputy head of the Hamas Politburo) in an interview with Lenta.ru condemned the Belarusian authorities for trying to link the interception of the plane with the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

            "This is outrageous and demonstrates an archaic mindset that does not understand that we are now living in an age of free media, and that there is international public opinion that no longer accepts such methods,"


            He refused to comment on the detention of Roman Protasevich, saying that a group that is fighting the "Israeli occupation" is not obliged to have a point of view about everything that happens in the world.

            "But, of course, we are generally against injustice, persecution, encroachment on freedom and violation of the law."
            What terrorists we have here. Rather, their political officers.
            1. Thrifty
              Thrifty 25 May 2021 19: 11
              +3
              Privalov is outrageous, so not to be interested in events in the world! They even have TVs belay ? And then they are lagging behind life, they have not covered the European Union with their attention, for a start lol And, you send them the bagels, let them drink tea, they will be kinder wassat
        2. Podvodnik
          Podvodnik 25 May 2021 19: 50
          -1
          I'll write for hours. At its best


          We will not beat you on takeoff! (from)
    3. Avior
      Avior 25 May 2021 19: 21
      -4
      It is known that the participants of the Delfi Economic Forum are returning home on flight OP-4978.

      this forum actually ended on May 15, its participants had been at home for a long time.
      https://delphiforum.gr/
      Delphi Economic Forum VI May 10-15, 2021

      Someone famously burst out using an old letter.
    4. Machito
      Machito 25 May 2021 21: 48
      -3
      Quote: A. Privalov
      According to INTERFAX on May 24 At a briefing in Minsk, Director of the Aviation Department of the Ministry of Transport and Communications of Belarus Artem Sikorsky said that the message about the bomb on board the Ryanair plane flying from Athens to Vilnius on May 23 and forcibly landed in Minsk was signed by "Hamas soldiers" ...

      "We, the Hamas soldiers, demand that Israel cease fire in the Gaza Strip. We demand that the European Union renounce its support for Israel in this war. Delfi Economic Forum participants are known to return home on flight OP-4978. A bomb has been planted in this plane. If you do not fulfill our demands, the bomb will explode over Vilnius on May 23 "


      To which Hamas immediately announced that the Belarusians were tarnishing their reputation.

      ′ ′ We do not resort to methods that could be done by some suspicious parties seeking to demonize Hamas and smash the state of global sympathy for our Palestinian people and their legitimate resistance, "


      Somehow it even became insulting for Hamas. lol

      My friend lives in Israel. Works as a crane operator at a construction site. During lunchtime, his stomach twisted. According to the old Russian tradition, he laid the newspaper on the floor and did his business, folded the newspaper and threw it out the window. And on the top floor, the Arabs set the table for dinner. So the newspaper with the cases fell directly on the table. laughing
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    1. Avior
      Avior 25 May 2021 18: 21
      -11%
      The frequency of the company was not issued to the crew, although the crew requested it. He was told to wait, but the frequency was not reported
      As can be seen from the text of the negotiations

      Pilot: Could you please give us a frequency for the (inaudible) company so we can (illegible).
      ATC: RYR 1TZ repeat whichever frequency you need.
      Pilot: We just need to sort out the work of the company, if there is a frequency for that.
      ATC: Do you need Ryanair operating frequency (RYR)?
      Pilot: Correct 1TZ.
      ATC: Please wait.
      ATC: RYR 1TZ, Please wait
      Pilot: Expecting.
      Pilot (09: 39: 30): RYR 1TZ have information?
      ATC: RYR 1TZ Wait, waiting for information.

      And so they did not wait, that from the further text it is clear
      Pilot (09:41:58): RYR 1TZ Once again, redirect this recommendation to Minsk, where did it come from? Where did it come from? Company? Did it come from the departure airport or the arrival airport?
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 25 May 2021 18: 39
      -2
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Therefore, the EU countries prohibit their airlines to fly over the Republic of Belarus.

      Nobody forbade it. They recommended to abstain.
    3. KeithRichards
      KeithRichards 25 May 2021 18: 56
      0
      They were not given the frequency of the airline, they were given the frequency of the dispatcher in Lithuania.
  • prior
    prior 25 May 2021 18: 10
    0
    If it was a special operation by someone else's Western or Ukrainian special services, the administration of Ryanair could well have been "in the share."
    The main thing is that it becomes "obvious" from the negotiations that the aircraft landed in Minsk under the "clear threat of a fighter", as the representatives of the Eurodowns "sang" about it.
    1. Avior
      Avior 25 May 2021 18: 28
      -12%
      The main thing is that from the negotiations it is clear that Lukashenka's statement that the crew itself requested a landing in Minsk turned out to be a deception, the dispatchers, on their own initiative, offered him only Minsk and nothing more, while simultaneously saying that they could be blown up over Vilnius, so they could not fly there anyway. There were no other options.
      1. prior
        prior 25 May 2021 18: 35
        +4
        The dispatcher recommended, the crew agreed with this, which means it can be interpreted as requested.
        Note, without threats, without pressure, without fighters and without an offer to fly to Vilnius.
        The question of chronology has not yet been clarified, when and where exactly the fighter of the Belarusian Air Force approached the board. He did not accompany the civilian board all the way.
        By the way. Were Lukashenka's statements about the incident on the air?
        1. NIKN
          NIKN 25 May 2021 18: 54
          +18
          Why did everyone find fault with the fighter? There is a procedure for escorting international aircraft with such threats. If he flew to the United States, he would be escorted to the border, there they would take others to escort to the border, etc. as a result, the US Air Force would be met at the border and escorted to landing. Control is being carried out so that the hijacked plane (and the mined one is in the same category) could not repeat September 11 ...
          Attached to the plane, it MUST be there according to international rules!
        2. Avior
          Avior 25 May 2021 19: 25
          -11%
          The dispatcher recommended, the crew agreed with this, which means it can be interpreted as requested.
          Note, without threats, without pressure, without fighters and without an offer to fly to Vilnius.

          uh huh. If the crew did not request, how can they interpret what they requested? Do you have any special Russian language that will allow you to interpret this way?
          In the usual way, this does not work.
      2. Dude
        Dude 25 May 2021 19: 35
        +5
        Quote: Avior
        The main thing is that from the negotiations it is clear that Lukashenka's statement that the crew itself requested a landing in Minsk turned out to be a deception, the dispatchers, on their own initiative, offered him only Minsk and nothing more, while simultaneously saying that they could be blown up over Vilnius, so they could not fly there anyway. There were no other options.

        What do you think the dispatcher had to offer? Or do you think that there were hundreds of airfields around it, a couple of hundred kilometers away? Moreover, capable of receiving an emergency plane? Well, there, with ILS, three kilometer strips, fire trucks? And then the international airport, with all the goodies, and even a spare in their flight plan? With a known sunset, weather, and so on?
        If only they would have thought with their heads before posting such nonsense, there are few options, they say, they offered ...
        1. Avior
          Avior 25 May 2021 19: 55
          -11%
          What do you think the dispatcher had to offer?

          maybe nothing. But this is not a reason for Lukashenka to deceive that the crew chose Minsk themselves. The crew requested an alternative from ATC and did not receive it.
          So there was no choice
          If only they would have thought with their heads before posting such nonsense, there are few options, they say, they offered ...

          there is no need to deceive, I did not write that there are few options, I wrote that the crew did not choose Minsk, they had no other options.
          1. Dude
            Dude 25 May 2021 20: 12
            +2
            The crew requested an alternative from ATC and did not receive it.
            So there was no choice
            ATC is to blame, of course! Not built, in five minutes a couple more out-of-class airfield nearby, yes yes
            I did not write that there are few options, I wrote that the crew did not choose Minsk, they had no other options.

            Casuistry.
            Where do the options come from if they just don't exist? recourse
            1. Avior
              Avior 25 May 2021 20: 52
              -14%
              Casuistry.

              no, it's ordinary Russian.
              if they write that the crew chose, but in fact there was no choice, then this is usually called deception, lies, lies, etc.
              1. Dude
                Dude 25 May 2021 22: 06
                +4
                Quote: Avior
                Casuistry.

                no, it's ordinary Russian.
                if they write that the crew chose, but in fact there was no choice, then this is usually called deception, lies, lies, etc.

                If I give you an alternative, do you admit that you are wrong and just pull the owl onto the globe? repeat
                The choice was to stay in the waiting area and continue negotiations with the automatic telephone exchange.
                But Captain made an absolutely reasonable (and correct, Sic!) Decision, and went to only a port that ensured the maximum safety of passengers.
                Believe me, the safety of hundreds (conditionally) passengers, for any sane PIC, is the most important priority when flying.hi
                1. Avior
                  Avior 25 May 2021 22: 17
                  -7
                  If I give you an alternative

                  Well, name a reasonably real alternative to the landing site of the aircraft, taking into account that the crew proceeded from the assumption that there was a bomb on board and the landing should be made as quickly as possible and this obviously could not have been Vilnius, and explain why the ATC did not offer it.
                  The choice was to stay in the waiting area

                  and even better, it never sits down at all, but flies forever, as in the Steep Peak.
                  Sorry, but this is not an alternative to the landing site with information about the presence of a bomb on board.
                  1. Dude
                    Dude 25 May 2021 23: 41
                    +6
                    Quote: Avior
                    If I give you an alternative

                    Well, name a reasonably real alternative to the landing site of the aircraft, taking into account that the crew proceeded from the assumption that there was a bomb on board and the landing should be made as quickly as possible and this obviously could not have been Vilnius, and explain why the ATC did not offer it.
                    The choice was to stay in the waiting area

                    and even better, it never sits down at all, but flies forever, as in the Steep Peak.
                    Sorry, but this is not an alternative to the landing site with information about the presence of a bomb on board.

                    Are you in a sober mind ?! You have been proving to me for an hour that the villains from the Internal Affairs Directorate did not give another airfield, and when I clearly showed you that there were no suitable airfields, you suddenly change your shoes while jumping!
                    Chutzpah of the highest standard belay
                    That is, the Belarusian disp was right, and you admit it? Then why were all these pearls:
                    The crew requested an alternative from ATC and did not receive it.
                    dispatchers on their own initiative offered him only Minsk and nothing else
                    ?
                    Full of you already dodge and make a good face with a bad game.
                    I will follow the saying of de Montaigne, and I will no longer continue the argument with you, over the complete futility of this occupation.
                    I wish you well.
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 25 May 2021 23: 51
                      -10%
                      If I give you an alternative

                      Well, name a reasonably real alternative to the plane's landing site

                      Why do you talk too much? are not able to confirm their statement and you are ashamed to admit it - keep silent ...
                  2. Pete mitchell
                    Pete mitchell 25 May 2021 23: 52
                    +4
                    Quote: Avior
                    the crew proceeded from the fact that there was a bomb on board and the landing should be made as quickly as possible and ...

                    Quote: Dude
                    - stay in the waiting area and continue negotiations with the PBX

                    In your dispute, you are missing an important point that is noted in the company's documents: if the information about the bomb came from the board itself, the crew would most likely independently assess the risks; when information comes from ATC, it implies that the relevant services are assessing the risks and proposing a solution. Therefore, they persistently, but very clumsily, looked for a way out to the company / Ops and subsequently began to follow the instructions of the Internal Affairs Directorate - it seems like there are more specialists on earth and they know better, but they did not agree, probably out of excitement. I think questions to the Minsky will still be voiced. And the company and passengers have no questions for the crew. Probably it was possible to make a better decision, but it was not us who were on that plane: they made a choice
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 25 May 2021 23: 58
                      -2
                      from the point of view of saving passengers, the solution was quite optimal, moreover, the only possible
                      1. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 26 May 2021 00: 09
                        +4
                        As for the one thing, I disagree with you, but it worked - everyone is alive and well.
                        This whole story resembles a provocation to frame the Arab League; and if it was a special operation of a provocative nature, to pull out the protosevi in ​​the Republic of Bashkortostan ... whatever it was, it was carried out by those who wanted to frame the Arab League. It is worth considering who benefits from the consequences.
      3. gurzuf
        gurzuf 25 May 2021 19: 44
        +1
        Do you believe that the ship commander did not know the frequency of his airline? It’s strange. I've rummaged through the Internet and found everything I wanted to find about her. Probably the commander did not have a cell phone or ... the phone was not found in the entire ship, or ... he consulted with his company on this phone and he was given the go-ahead to land in Minsk.
        1. Avior
          Avior 25 May 2021 20: 54
          -6
          Did you find the Reineir frequencies for communication in the Minsk ATC?
          Give me a link...
          As for the cell phone, it was actually flying. High in the air.
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 25 May 2021 21: 29
            +4
            Quote: Avior
            Did you find the Reineir frequencies for communication in the Minsk ATC? About the cell phone ...

            You cannot find what is not there: there are no Ryanair representatives in Minsk.
            And not even BUZZ recourse The crew was just hoping that ATC would call Ops, Dublin, and coordinate the action ... no one guessed
            1. gurzuf
              gurzuf 25 May 2021 21: 58
              +1
              But the commander himself could not callwhat prevented him from doing this?
              1. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell 25 May 2021 22: 17
                +4
                With FL390? From RB? I certainly couldn't. They could not explain what they wanted from the ATC, and the ATC did not guess either.
                In general, I repeat, do not blame me
                Quote: Pete Mitchell
                In general, it is very interesting what the relevant services of the Republic of Belarus did, except for frightening the crew: did they contact Vilnius? The Poles were informed that the plane formally belongs to a Polish company and is registered there? Have you tried to notify Operations? If any of this would have been done - now all this kipish would not be
              2. Avior
                Avior 25 May 2021 22: 19
                -5
                ask the Minsk dispatcher - he understood the PIC's question without surprise
          2. gurzuf
            gurzuf 25 May 2021 21: 56
            0
            I'm talking to you about communication methods, and you ... write all sorts of nonsense about frequencies to me. And, yes, they did not answer that you believe that whether the commander knew about what without which he did not have the right to go on a flight. "According to the girl, immediately after the decision to land, the oppositionist approached the crew members and said:" Don't do this. They will kill me, I am a refugee. " Apparently the commander had a way to contact the company ... if not even with his cell phone.
            1. Avior
              Avior 25 May 2021 22: 20
              -3
              I tell you about the content of the negotiations with the dispatcher, and you tell me about all sorts of nonsense and other girls.
              1. gurzuf
                gurzuf 26 May 2021 20: 01
                -1
                I tell you about the whole conflict, and you are so, anyhow what to shake.
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 25 May 2021 18: 37
      -1
      Quote: prior
      If it was a special operation by someone else's Western or Ukrainian special services

      Yes, here the ears of the intelligence of Honduras are visible from a mile! Mayday in the slang of one of the districts of Tegucigalpa means "joint" !!!!
      laughing
  • Avior
    Avior 25 May 2021 18: 12
    -7
    An interesting note on another thread was made by colleague John Shepard
    Many drew attention to the fact that in the "letter from Hamas" dated May 23, there was a demand for a ceasefire in the Gaza Strip, although the parties agreed on an armistice on the 21st, but for some reason no one paid attention to another line of this letter, namely: " Delfi Economic Forum participants are known to return home on flight 4978. " So, according to the official website of this forum, it took place from May 10 to May 15, and by May 23, all the participants had long since departed. It should be noted that Tihanovskaya took part in this forum, who spoke at this event on May 14 and after the end of this forum flew to Lithuania on the same flight, but a week earlier.

    So we can conclude that the initial goal was Tikhanovskaya, but apparently at the last moment, for some reason, they decided to turn back or the invisible hand of the Kremlin intervened and decided to abandon this venture. And then Protasevich, who appeared in those days in the company of Tikhanovskaya in Greece, came to hand, and his comrades could not resist the temptation to take at least someone. Only for some reason they did not think to correct the training manual, written for Tikhanovskaya.
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 25 May 2021 18: 18
      +6
      Avior, a man needs a doctor, he sees the Kremlin's hand everywhere, now you are also posting this nonsense for some reason! !!
      1. Avior
        Avior 25 May 2021 18: 45
        -12%
        A physician is not a physician, only the above is easily verified on the Internet.
        And here's what is noticeable. For some reason, this sentence is from the letter, and some media throw it out, denoting the omission of the text
    2. Cron
      Cron 25 May 2021 18: 24
      +2
      Quote: Avior
      So we can conclude that the initial goal was Tikhanovskaya, but apparently at the last moment, for some reason, they decided to turn back or the invisible hand of the Kremlin intervened

      - Only don't touch Svetka!
      - Okay, darkest
      What degenerates is it for?
      1. Avior
        Avior 25 May 2021 19: 26
        -10%
        What degenerates is it for?

        on those that the dates can't check?
        https://delphiforum.gr
        1. Cron
          Cron 25 May 2021 20: 08
          +1
          on those that the dates can't check?
          https://delphiforum.gr

          Hey, you, the great inspector of Ukrainian tariffs, what do you mean by that?
          What does the Kremlin and your Svetka have to do with it? To whom did she surrender? The Belarusian authorities themselves pushed it into the Tribaltic so that they stink less. Why do they need Svetka-guaido? She is already notoriously discrediting herself in the wild as the president of the opposition. She is a great figure for this role, she simply cannot connect two words. And her husband is sitting there.
          It is as if in the West she is considered a legitimate president. And the howl would be much harder now. They say the dictator has put the president elected by the people. This is not some blogger out there. Moreover, she is also a woman. Who needs it? But Petrosevich is the very thing, he has done a lot of things and can tell a lot
          1. Avior
            Avior 25 May 2021 20: 14
            -6
            Listen to me,....

            What are you confused. It was you who were herding pigs without me.
            You will find - chat with him ...
            hi
            1. Cron
              Cron 25 May 2021 20: 23
              +3
              Quote: Avior
              Listen to me,....

              What are you confused. It was you who were herding pigs without me.
              You will find - chat with him ...
              hi

              Good old Avior, still carries slop here and still drains
              1. Avior
                Avior 25 May 2021 20: 26
                -7
                I see there is no need to carry it ...
                hi
                1. Cron
                  Cron 25 May 2021 20: 29
                  +1
                  I see there is no need to carry it ...
                  hi

                  Of course not, if you are. And the most important thing is that it is stable
    3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 25 May 2021 18: 46
      +12
      You do not step on the throat of their song) A brilliant operation, the Soviet school, the West is hysterical, the opposition goes by itself, a barrel ... but, no - a bag of potatoes on the stock exchange is getting more expensive, a fighter pilot is awarded, Protasevich is making an iPhone out of bread crumb. Everything is nishtyak
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 25 May 2021 19: 17
        0
        The paragraph-the KGB of Belarus is pumping information out of Protasevich, so that nishtyak will come out sideways for someone else!
      2. Avior
        Avior 25 May 2021 19: 56
        -1
        again, the clear Belarusian sky, different planes there will not smoke :)
        1. Liam
          Liam 25 May 2021 20: 37
          0
          With such brilliance, not everyone can literally instantly bankrupt an entire sector of the economy in minutes)
          1. Avior
            Avior 25 May 2021 20: 44
            -5
            Moreover, it is high-tech.
            But this is not the first time for him.
            The owner of Motor Sich Boguslaev tried to create a helicopter production in Belarus. But Lukashenka had enough bad mood for one evening for Boguslaev to run away from there like a scalded one, leaving his plane there.
            As a result, the helipad, the production of blades, the training helicopter training center was opened and, in general, the helicopter direction Boguslaev began to develop in Zaporozhye, Belarus was left without production and investments.
    4. Cotton Colorado
      Cotton Colorado 25 May 2021 20: 13
      -1
      Quote: Avior
      An interesting note on another thread was made by colleague John Shepard
      Many drew attention to the fact that in the "letter from Hamas" dated May 23, there was a demand for a ceasefire in the Gaza Strip, although the parties agreed on an armistice on the 21st, but for some reason no one paid attention to another line of this letter, namely: " Delfi Economic Forum participants are known to return home on flight 4978. " So, according to the official website of this forum, it took place from May 10 to May 15, and by May 23, all the participants had long since departed. It should be noted that Tihanovskaya took part in this forum, who spoke at this event on May 14 and after the end of this forum flew to Lithuania on the same flight, but a week earlier.

      So we can conclude that the initial goal was Tikhanovskaya, but apparently at the last moment, for some reason, they decided to turn back or the invisible hand of the Kremlin intervened and decided to abandon this venture. And then Protasevich, who appeared in those days in the company of Tikhanovskaya in Greece, came to hand, and his comrades could not resist the temptation to take at least someone. Only for some reason they did not think to correct the training manual, written for Tikhanovskaya.

      Weeds with the date of the forum are from the same category as the "mud room" with the "aquadiskoteka", but it happens when people stupidly work out their grandmother and they do not care about the result! And what if we replace "the Kremlin's hand" with "the State Department's hand"?
  • Cron
    Cron 25 May 2021 18: 21
    +12
    They do everything right, just do not need to make excuses, but you need to bend your line.
    All according to the commandments of the untouchables:
  • Puzoter
    Puzoter 25 May 2021 18: 32
    -6
    The mustachioed victim here. There is a provocation of the Western special services to frame Lukashenka again. Protasevich himself was of no value, reports of the bomb came from Greece, the British crew themselves decided to fly to Minsk. Well, the rising howl of British jackals confirms this.
    1. orionvitt
      orionvitt 25 May 2021 19: 13
      0
      Quote: puzoter
      The mustachioed victim here.

      Controversial issue. On the other hand, the mustachioed clearly showed the revolutionaries who were too presumptuous of the Internet that the hand of the "bloody Belarusian gebny", on occasion, would reach everyone. Information for thought, for those sitting on Western grants, designed to shake the legitimate government. Let's see what this Blocher will sing there now. Who gave, to whom he gave, how much he gave, why he gave. "Turnouts", "passwords", "connected" and so on. I think it will be interesting, although everyone has known everything for a long time. They are not actually hiding.
      1. Puzoter
        Puzoter 26 May 2021 19: 41
        -1
        What passwords are there. That he may know what others do not know. I’m also a secret employee. The Moor did the job, the Moor had to be merged profitably, he was merged. Now Luke is talking about the "ice war" to himself, did he do it? Don't hold him for an idiot.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 25 May 2021 18: 37
    -3
    With such a decoding, Tikhanovskaya will definitely not fly along the borders of Belarus, otherwise a "drunk" passenger will say that he has a bonba and I want to go to Minsk, tired of these gay parades and will fly like cute ones. They recognize that he ran away, the fate of the inmate is assured and oblivion.
  • Shahno
    Shahno 25 May 2021 18: 43
    -9
    We passed the baton to Belarus ...
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 25 May 2021 18: 44
    0
    Quote: Avior
    The frequency of the company was not issued to the crew, although the crew requested it. He was told to wait, but the frequency was not reported
    As can be seen from the text of the negotiations

    Pilot: Could you please give us a frequency for the (inaudible) company so we can (illegible).
    ATC: RYR 1TZ repeat whichever frequency you need.
    Pilot: We just need to sort out the work of the company, if there is a frequency for that.
    ATC: Do you need Ryanair operating frequency (RYR)?
    Pilot: Correct 1TZ.
    ATC: Please wait.
    ATC: RYR 1TZ, Please wait
    Pilot: Expecting.
    Pilot (09: 39: 30): RYR 1TZ have information?
    ATC: RYR 1TZ Wait, waiting for information.

    And so they did not wait, that from the further text it is clear
    Pilot (09:41:58): RYR 1TZ Once again, redirect this recommendation to Minsk, where did it come from? Where did it come from? Company? Did it come from the departure airport or the arrival airport?

    What are you climbing? laughingHe sneezed more on this European Union with Israel together
    1. Puzoter
      Puzoter 26 May 2021 20: 02
      0
      Most likely it came from Minsk. Apparently there they figured out that if he was sent further, then they could jerk over the border, and blamed on rusty missiles of the Belarusian or even Russian air defense. And the pilot seemed to understand this, because the flight to Minsk was much farther than to the destination airport, but he decided to go to Minsk.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 25 May 2021 18: 53
    0
    I wonder whose idea this is, and the implementation and consequences will be procrastinated in the media for a long time, and each side will want to have its own gesheft.
  • Safron
    Safron 25 May 2021 19: 02
    -5
    It's time for Lukashenka to end the multi-vector foreign policy. Because everything can end in Rostov. And Rostov the great is not rubber, then Zenya will roll over again)
    The very case that would introduce the ruble and into the RF. Lukashenko must understand he will not be left alone. Even if he leaves, they will be pressured.
    And Belarus does not need the horror that has become of Ukraine.
    1. Cotton Colorado
      Cotton Colorado 25 May 2021 20: 02
      +2
      "And Rostov the Great is not rubber"
      My friend, you should tighten up the geography!
      1. Machito
        Machito 25 May 2021 21: 54
        -2
        Rostov is great because it is not rubber
        1. Cotton Colorado
          Cotton Colorado 25 May 2021 23: 26
          -1
          Quote: Bearded
          Rostov is great because it is not rubber

          That at least three times is not rubber, we are talking about the one on the Don-)
  • Revival
    Revival 25 May 2021 19: 08
    -7
    Yeah .. Lukash has "iron nuts" ...
    Sheer lies, twisting, hypocrisy, excuses ...
    Strong, so to speak ...
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    2. Dude
      Dude 25 May 2021 19: 59
      +4
      there is an act of state terrorism on the part of Belarus
      Any, I emphasize, any the state has the right to land / stop an aircraft / ship / other vehicle moving above / along its territory, if there are sufficient grounds. All point. Terrorism, piracy and hijacking are not simply by definition.
      Or would you say that a traffic policeman, somewhere near Ryazan (a police officer, somewhere in Montana), stopping a truck from Poland to Kazakhstan (from Canada to Mexico), is also committing an act of terrorism? wassat
      1. Avior
        Avior 25 May 2021 20: 18
        -4
        Any, I emphasize, any state has the right to land / stop an aircraft / ship / other vehicle moving over / over its territory, if there are sufficient grounds.

        to the point, you're right.
        But false mining is a serious criminal offense, it lasts for a period of 7-8 years according to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, that of the Republic of Belarus.
        1. Dude
          Dude 25 May 2021 21: 55
          +1
          Quote: Avior
          Any, I emphasize, any state has the right to land / stop an aircraft / ship / other vehicle moving over / over its territory, if there are sufficient grounds.

          to the point, you're right.
          But false mining is a serious criminal offense, it lasts for a period of 7-8 years according to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, that of the Republic of Belarus.

          Indisputably. Let's wait for the results of the investigation. Or the principle of praesumptio innocentiae, in your opinion, is not applicable here? Highly likely enough?
          1. Avior
            Avior 26 May 2021 00: 21
            -6
            With regard to the guilt of the state, the principle of the presumption of innocence does not always work; it is mandatory only in criminal proceedings against a specific person.
            There is also a presumption of guilt, a rebuttable presumption, an irrefutable presumption, the Res ipsa loquitur principle, the “beyond reasonable doubt” principle.
            Take an interest. Good luck.
            https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/standart-vne-razumnyh-somneniy-kak-kriteriy-dostizheniya-tseli-ugolovno-protsessualnogo-dokazyvaniya/viewer
            1. Dude
              Dude 26 May 2021 20: 08
              0
              Well, also read me the right laughing
        2. poquello
          poquello 26 May 2021 00: 49
          +1
          Quote: Avior
          But false mining is a serious criminal offense, it lasts for a period of 7-8 years according to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation,

          from the Ukrainian numbers, messages about the mining of buildings in the Russian Federation are in the hundreds, so let them transit, the UK fixes everything)
          1. Avior
            Avior 26 May 2021 00: 54
            -4
            Aren't the numbers in Ukraine anonymous?
            1. poquello
              poquello 26 May 2021 01: 10
              +2
              Quote: Avior
              Aren't the numbers in Ukraine anonymous?

              )))))))))))))) "- Hello, is this the police? You are not working well!
              Doorbell.
              - We work as best we can! "
    3. poquello
      poquello 26 May 2021 00: 45
      0
      Quote: baltiksi
      only for air navigation through the territory of Belarus, airlines paid Minsk from 200 to 300 million dollars a year

      oh don't bite your brain, if you paid, it means it was profitable, it means they had their own savings, which the European Union cut to them
  • borys
    borys 25 May 2021 19: 51
    +2
    The second day, comrade Avior surprises and tires with his comments.
    From the text of the negotiations, it is clear to any sane person that the decision
    the crew accepted about landing in Minsk. Which is perfectly logical in this
    situations. The crew's request for frequencies is incomprehensible. If the commander doesn't know
    frequencies of his airline, what he does in the commander's chair
    aircraft?
    1. Avior
      Avior 25 May 2021 20: 23
      -7
      The second day, comrade Avior surprises and tires with his comments.

      actually, I haven't written anything to you.
      From the text of the negotiations, it is clear to any sane person that the decision
      about landing in Minsk accepted by the crew

      it is obvious to any sane that the crew was forced to follow a single proposed option.
      In classical Russian, this is not called a choice, I don't follow Newspeak.
      The crew's request for frequencies is incomprehensible.

      Do you think that in different ATC zones everyone works at the same frequencies?
      1. poquello
        poquello 26 May 2021 00: 57
        0
        Quote: Avior
        In classical Russian, this is not called a choice.

        ett in your classic Russian Ukropsky, in classic Russian (and not only) there is always a choice, the crew acted as they should
    2. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 25 May 2021 21: 20
      +8
      Quote: borys
      If the commander does not know the frequencies of his airline, then what is he doing in the commander's seat?

      I will tell you one thing - no and there can be no frequency of your company In Minsk request With Vilnius, they could try to contact and ask them to call Dublin ...
  • Garist Pavel
    Garist Pavel 25 May 2021 19: 55
    -2
    Handsome)) But now this Protasevich will tell a lot of interesting things .. At the right time, all these creatures will have this information like a blow in the stomach)
  • Moskal 55
    Moskal 55 25 May 2021 20: 02
    +2
    Everything is cleanly done! Nobody forced the pilots, they were offered and they agreed. And the rest is the speculation of liberoids. Now let them look for where the message about the bomb came from. Petrov and Boshirov? Personally Shoigu on Putin's orders? There will be something to do ...
  • Shahno
    Shahno 25 May 2021 20: 05
    -5
    Quote: Dude
    there is an act of state terrorism on the part of Belarus
    Any, I emphasize, any the state has the right to land / stop an aircraft / ship / other vehicle moving above / along its territory, if there are sufficient grounds. All point. Terrorism, piracy and hijacking are not simply by definition.
    Or would you say that a traffic policeman, somewhere near Ryazan (a police officer, somewhere in Montana), stopping a truck from Poland to Kazakhstan (from Canada to Mexico), is also committing an act of terrorism? wassat

    And what can get into the vehicle. Fraudulently, without a legal basis?
    1. T.A.V.
      T.A.V. 25 May 2021 20: 56
      +2
      Was there any legal basis for the landing of Moraes's plane?
      And what about the landing of the Belarusian aircraft in Kiev?
  • Tagan
    Tagan 25 May 2021 20: 18
    +4
    Quote: Prax1
    Most likely, the fighters got in touch and ordered to deploy. There's nothing you can do about it ...

    Again the thoughts of the "alternatively gifted" ...
  • AC130 Ganship
    AC130 Ganship 25 May 2021 20: 20
    +3
    Colleagues, the question here is not why Kvs sat down in Minsk. And not even what will happen to this boy now. The question is how now Lukashenka will get out of this deep well with minimal damage to 8 million Belarusians. It operates according to the old model, worked out by the mixing services - no man -> no problem. It's just that this time it was not in the forest ...
  • Tagan
    Tagan 25 May 2021 20: 20
    +3
    Quote: Garist Paul
    Handsome)) But now this Protasevich will tell a lot of interesting things .. At the right time, all these creatures will have this information like a blow in the stomach)


    :)
    1. Avior
      Avior 25 May 2021 20: 30
      -3
      the signature was written by a city dweller who has not been to the village :)
      In the picture, they do not plant, but dig
      Old man dug up problems for himself. But everything has already calmed down.
    2. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 25 May 2021 23: 01
      -2
      Everything goes to
  • Tagan
    Tagan 25 May 2021 20: 28
    0
    Quote: baltiksi
    ... Well, what other decision could the pilot have made when an Air Force fighter of the Republic of Belarus flies nearby? And you continue in the same spirit ...

    I wonder if the pilot knew about your fantasies?
  • Tagan
    Tagan 25 May 2021 20: 38
    +1
    Quote: Safron
    It's time for Lukashenka to end the multi-vector foreign policy. Because everything can end in Rostov. And Rostov the great is not rubber, then Zenya will roll over again)
    The very case that would introduce the ruble and into the RF. Lukashenko must understand he will not be left alone. Even if he leaves, they will be pressured.
    And Belarus does not need the horror that has become of Ukraine.

    Lukashenko to Rostov the Great, Yanukovych to Rostov-on-Don. And both are in Rostov, as it were. Cunningly conceived))
  • Tagan
    Tagan 25 May 2021 20: 44
    0
    Quote: Avior
    the signature was written by a city dweller who has not been to the village :)
    In the picture, they do not plant, but dig
    Old man dug up problems for himself. But everything has already calmed down.

    I think we will find out quite a few twists and turns in this story - who buried whom and who, on the contrary, dug out of old stocks.
  • Sergey84
    Sergey84 25 May 2021 20: 48
    0
    There are two options: Protasevich - dolpayop, or he was used for live bait. Both are beneficial to the State Department, I hope no one is seriously considering the option with a bomb)
  • T.A.V.
    T.A.V. 25 May 2021 20: 55
    -2
    If this is a special operation, then the KGB of the Republic of Bashkortostan are simply virtuosos, they took this misunderstanding by the gills. This is exactly what you need to do with this evil spirits. The Belarusian board, when he was planted in Kiev, was really not given a choice. Either sit down or the fighter. Therefore, first, look around, followers of the fairy, at the precedents that were earlier. And then all your eyes quickly close to what the Americans and their mongrels are doing.
  • ddmitrij
    ddmitrij 25 May 2021 21: 03
    -1
    Quote: Avior


    ATC (09.42.49): RYR 1TZ we have a landing frequency for Vilnius 131.750
    Pilot: 131.75 and we have contact ... (inaudible).

    Original
    ATC: 09.42.49: RYR 1TZ we have ground stuff frequency for Vilnius 131.750

    Pilot. 131.75 and we have contact ... (unreadable).

    ground stuff frequency for Vilnius - Vilnius terrestrial service frequency
    Landing in Vilnius was not discussed at all
    do not create fakes!
    1. Avior
      Avior 25 May 2021 22: 01
      -3
      you me I did not write that it was about landing in Vilnius.
      This is written in the article above.
      The dispatcher advised the pilots to land in Minsk, but they refused, deciding to head to Vilnius.

      I wrote something completely different
      As for Vilnius, the dispatchers said that the plane could be blown up there, no one was going to fly there, as the author said in the article

      As for the translation, it is not mine, I took a ready-made one, maybe there are some inaccuracies there.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 25 May 2021 21: 14
    0
    This is what I understand "voluntarily-compulsorily")) When an airplane is planted by a fighter "for the good" of its passengers, it is always epic and adds to the popularity of the country doing this. Few people want to experience all the delights of games in the Korean Boeing, there is nothing to be surprised that after this they will look at Batkan even more as a mad dictator.
  • Cotton Colorado
    Cotton Colorado 25 May 2021 21: 46
    0
    Quote: Prax1
    And what are so many disadvantages gentlemen? This version is quite viable!

    Especially if you intensively fertilize with your verbal ...., well, you get the idea.
  • skobars
    skobars 25 May 2021 22: 03
    -1
    Since our sworn "friends" howl, swear and threaten, then everything is being done right with us.
    1. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 25 May 2021 22: 41
      0
      that's what the leader of the nations said
  • Vasya Santa
    Vasya Santa 25 May 2021 22: 32
    -4
    )))) this is real gonevo)))
    Younger Belarusian brothers still learn and learn how to carry out special operations, and then cover them)))
    And so, while "deuce"))) Done up to the ears)))
  • Operator
    Operator 25 May 2021 23: 46
    -6
    According to the transcript of the negotiations between the dispatcher and the pilot of the "Rainair", the latter broke down like a virgin for 17 minutes from the moment the dispatcher received information about the threat of an explosion on board and until the airliner turned to the recommended landing airport.

    The Air Force of the Republic of Belarus had every right to shoot down an airliner on FIG, the pilot of which was obviously stalling for time, could be under the control of terrorists, who, for their part, could send the airliner to the Ignalina nuclear power plant.

    Passengers choosing Rainair as their air carrier are suicides.
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 26 May 2021 00: 26
      +5
      There is such a thing called decision making model - that's exactly what they did for 17 minutes: they thought, on the way, they probably managed to re-read the instructions. Therefore, everyone is alive and well; most likely there will be no complaints about the crew.
      About knocking it down at all past.
      Quote: Operator
      Passengers choosing Rainair as their carrier
      .. choose the largest airline, one of the leaders in terms of flight safety; flying on schedule; famous for its very tough level of training; a very fresh and well-maintained fleet of aircraft and, by the way, which is important - very attractive prices.
      1. Operator
        Operator 26 May 2021 00: 47
        -7
        There is no model - there is a clear protocol for the actions of the pilots of any airline after receiving information from the air traffic controller about the threat of an explosion on board the airliner - definitely an immediate landing at the nearest airfield, primarily at the airfield recommended by the air traffic controller.

        Everything else (verification of the authenticity of information, etc., etc.) is done after landing and obviously not by the pilots. The air traffic controller was wrong - his organization compensates for the damage to the airline. Everything. And the FAC "Ryanair" twisted his ass for 17 minutes instead of following the protocol.

        PS According to ICAO rules, the state over whose territory the airliner is flying has every right to do anything with it - under its own responsibility, of course.
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 26 May 2021 05: 01
          +5
          Quote: Operator
          There is no model - there is a clear protocol for the actions of the pilots of any airline after receiving information from the air traffic controller about the threat of an explosion on board the airliner - definitely an immediate landing at the nearest airfield, primarily at the airfield recommended by the air traffic controller.
          .

          Have you identified this protocol? In this case, it fits into five lines. How funny that you figured everything out, only you weren't on the plane, and you were clearly not at the ATC. Sometimes it is necessary to read theory and documents before ... belay
          1. Operator
            Operator 26 May 2021 08: 50
            -3
            In your case, you need to understand what you are reading.
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 26 May 2021 13: 05
              +4
              Quote: Operator
              In your case, you need to understand what you are reading.

              I just understand well what is written, reading BUZZ partA ch10. And for such a large company as RYRgroup, the documents have been brought in line with the requirements - you will not dig into it.
              The world is not the way you want it to be.
        2. Roman070280
          Roman070280 26 May 2021 10: 49
          -1
          the state over whose territory the airliner is flying has every right to do anything with it - on your own responsibility, of course.


          We did anything .. then the responsibility came ..
          Now they are trying to evade responsibility .. they even wanted to shift to Hamas ..

          Shl .. Responsibility for this exists, so that they do not get up to anything ..
          1. Operator
            Operator 26 May 2021 11: 09
            -3
            So far, not a single organization in Belarus has had any responsibility, since all of them acted clearly in accordance with international rules: they received an e-mail with a message about the mining of an airliner - the PIC was notified - they recommended landing at a specific airport - the PIC agreed to land in Minsk - airliner.

            The prosecutor's office of the Republic of Belarus has already opened a criminal case on the fact of misinformation about the presence of an explosive device on board the airliner - but this does not in any way concern the implementation of the ICAO protocol on the procedure for air traffic controllers and pilots in case of receiving information about a bomb on board the airliner.

            But the PIC (who twisted backwards for 17 minutes and in fact refused to comply with the ICAO protocol) and the Ryanair management (which rudely accused Belarusian air traffic controllers of what they did not do) must be immediately brought to justice, at least in the form of a complete ban on flights the specified airline in the airspace of the Union State.
            1. Roman070280
              Roman070280 26 May 2021 11: 18
              -1
              not a single organization in Belarus

              Organizations have nothing to do with it .. But Belarus itself has problems ..

              Well, yes .. fables about Hamas are, of course, very clear ..
              Any country can demonstrate such "clarity" .. tell about email, recommend, accept ..
              Take any plane right now and plant it in a similar way ..))) Or you can pin it, and plant all planes in general .. And then blame Hamas .. Well, what .. it's not "whatever they do" will be .. and "clear operation" ..))

              Even schoolchildren don't get such excuses.
              1. Operator
                Operator 26 May 2021 11: 23
                0
                Your Internet has been turned off, most likely - in Moscow department stores, schools, train stations, etc. are freed from people almost every day. by any very raunchy call / email about mining, then they check the object with the dogs and only then look for those guilty of disinformation in order to bring them to justice.
                1. Roman070280
                  Roman070280 26 May 2021 11: 27
                  -1
                  Enough to be lumbar.
                  in Moscow, department stores are freed from people almost every day
                  I wrote in Russian - you can at least land all the planes .. But the responsibility will be !!
                  That is why they do not put them all in a row just like that .. getting up "whatever"
                  And the fact that now they want to get away from responsibility is understandable ..

                  At school, they behave like this .. broke the window, and then you stand with downcast eyes - And this is not me .. (well, yes, because the child understands that no one seems to have seen this moment)
            2. Roman070280
              Roman070280 26 May 2021 11: 24
              -1
              PIC (who twisted backwards for 17 minutes and in fact refused to comply with the ICAO protocol) m
              Yes, this FAC is not interesting to anyone .. Moreover, I don’t see any 17 minutes in the negotiations .. As I asked a couple of times, I clarified, and announced a Mayday .. This is not to mention the fact that it is impossible to violate the recommendations ..

              Pilot:

              Once again, this recommendation to redirect to Minsk, where did it come from? Where did it come from? Company? Did she come from the airport of departure or from the airport of arrival?


              Dispatcher:

              These are our recommendations
              .
              1. Operator
                Operator 26 May 2021 11: 28
                -4
                Google the meaning of the word "recommendation".
                1. Roman070280
                  Roman070280 26 May 2021 11: 30
                  0
                  Do it yourself ..
                2. Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell 26 May 2021 13: 10
                  +5
                  Quote: Operator
                  Google the meaning ...

                  Google BUZZ partA ch10 - maybe calm down and add 2 + 2 lol
  • Naive
    Naive 26 May 2021 00: 08
    +1
    Hamas sent a letter to Minsk airport about the mining of an Irish airline's plane flying from Athens to Vilnius, in Russian

    It all fits))
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 26 May 2021 14: 07
      0
      Quote: Naive
      Hamas sent a letter to Minsk airport about the mining of an Irish airline's plane flying from Athens to Vilnius, in Russian

      It all fits))

      Following the condemnation from Hamas for denigrating the organization's image, Lukashenko also condemned the union of priestesses of love from the Netherlands for licentiousness, Cosa Nostra and Yakuza for violating international law, Madrid matadors for cruelty, Medellin cartel for abuse of hard drugs, Church of Satan for godlessness, and Peskov, Soloviev and Kedmi - for the unreliability of the information. laughing
  • Kelwin
    Kelwin 26 May 2021 04: 16
    +1
    Even I didn’t understand how, in fact?)

    Quote from the link in the subject
    to the e-mail of the National Airport Minsk [email protected] from the email address protonmail.com in English a written message with the following content was received:
    “We, the Hamas soldiers, demand ...

    quote from the subject
    the dispatcher contacted the crew on May 23 at 12.30 Moscow time to inform about the received from the special services information about the bomb planted on board the liner

    my selection

    Well? Who wrote this text there, what did you want to say?)
    Airport security staff = Special services or what?
    Shl. If anything, I personally liked the concert, it's fun)
    1. Roman070280
      Roman070280 26 May 2021 10: 46
      0
      If anything, I personally liked the concert, it's fun)

      Well? Who wrote this text there, what did you want to say?)


      Well, since you understand that this is a concert .. then why ask such questions ..))
      Don't blame the musician .. he plays as best he can ..
  • pexotinec
    pexotinec 26 May 2021 04: 44
    0
    Yes, they are all purple for negotiations, the command was given to release the dogs to Belarus, so the sixes barked. The planes of smart countries, as they flew through Belarus, still fly, and who canceled for themselves made more
  • Radius
    Radius 26 May 2021 07: 17
    -1
    I don’t understand what everyone is arguing about here? About the aircraft landing procedure? Yes, give a damn about this procedure ... The main thing is that the Internet fuflik sits in the cell and gives testimony! And even more important is what he will then tell in the public domain! The multi-vector beat everyone again :)
    1. Roman070280
      Roman070280 26 May 2021 10: 45
      0
      The main thing is that the Internet fuflik is sitting in the camera.

      Well, yes .. for Luka that was the only goal ..
      And the whole world understands this very well ..
      So his attempts to portray political repression as terrorism will not work, and will not bring him dividends ..
  • Operator
    Operator 26 May 2021 11: 44
    0
    Quote: Roman070280
    Do it yourself

    Learn the grammar of the great and mighty - it will come in handy.
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 26 May 2021 15: 21
    0
    Well, But Father, with the best of intentions, did it, almost suffered for the bomb over Vilnius, and again his face into rotten potatoes ... Although Hamas is unlikely to know where Vilnius is and why blow up the board where they will not hear him .. ..