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The patient is rather dead: why does the United States buy KrAZ trucks?

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KrAZ-5233VE "Spetsnaz". Source: autokraz.com.ua


Loyal to KrAZ


Of course, there is no intrigue here - the American company US21 Inc., which signed a contract with KrAZ, did it solely for political reasons. The products of the Kremenchug Automobile Plant have long been hopelessly outdated. Moreover, the technical and moral lag is superimposed on the disgusting workmanship, which is why even the Armed Forces of Ukraine refused to buy home-grown trucks. Instead, in Cherkassy at the Bogdan plant, MAZ army trucks were assembled from Minsk components.

The situation could not be called otherwise than a betrayal, according to the management of the Kremenchug Automobile Plant. After 2014, the Ukrainian government officially banned KrAZ from cooperating with Russia. This means that you cannot sell cars, as well as buy Russian components, in particular, the motors of the Yaroslavl plant. And Kremenchug had to adapt - to adapt Chinese Weichai Power diesels and Fast Gear transmissions, to buy electrics from Belarusians and Poles, and bearings from Turkey and India. For the development of the civilian market from China, delivery of cabover cabs Qixing was organized. And initially everything went like clockwork - the conflict in eastern Ukraine demanded hundreds, if not thousands, of army trucks and armored vehicles.


Export has traditionally been the main source of KrAZ's income. Source: autokraz.com.ua

Orders fell on the Kremenchug plant workers as if from a cornucopia - since 2014, only the KrAZ-5233 (4 × 4) and KrAZ-6322 (6 × 6) models have been sent to the army several hundred. To be precise, in 2014 Kiev purchased 100 KrAZ trucks for the army, in 2015 - 599, in 2016 - 241, in 2017 - 273, in 2018 - 59 trucks and armored vehicles. In addition, about 1000 vehicles were purchased by the National Guard and more than 500 - by the State Border Troops of Ukraine. Together with Streit Group and the United Arab Emirates, "Krazovites" mastered the production of a whole range of armored cars with poetic names - "Fiona", "Cougar", "Spartan", "Hulk", "Shrek", "Raptor" and "Uragan".

But the "blitzkrieg" of the Ukrainian army was drowned out, the war passed into a positional stage. And the need for new technology has dropped dramatically. In addition, the army began to actively purchase Belarusian vehicles, which, as rightly noted in Kremenchug, were partially assembled from Russian components.

So, in April of this year, Kiev for the needs of the Ministry of Defense bought twenty-five fire trucks "Bogdan" at once: read - Belarusian MAZs assembled in Cherkassy. The machine is built on the MAZ-6302 chassis, equipped with Russian YaMZ-652 engines. Whether the Ukrainian customs allowed the sanctioned diesel engines to pass or were replaced by Chinese counterparts is not fully known. The last deliveries of KrAZ trucks to the Ukrainian army date back to December 2019. Then the military received several rotational vehicles based on the well-deserved three-axle KrAZ-63221.







KrAZ is ready to supply its own army with a wide range of equipment. They don't. Source: autokraz.com.ua

Not only military, but also civilian consumers openly neglect the products of the domestic car plant. In April last year, the Poltava authorities unreasonably, according to AvtoKrAZ, chose the MAZ-5550S3 communal dump truck as the winner, and not the Ukrainian KrAZ-5401S2-500. Not only was the Kremenchug car cheaper, but also the Belarusian competitor was 90% assembled from Russian metal.

Further continuation stories it is very vague - on the website of Ukrainian state purchases, KrAZ is still the winner. And on the portal of the automobile plant - an angry article refuting this, entitled "Where is the promised support of a domestic manufacturer?"


Shift on the basis of KrAZ-63221, the last thing that was bought by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Kremenchug. Source: autokraz.com.ua

As a result, KrAZ has to interrupt with orders for countries of a completely third world.

The last known export contract was the delivery of a batch of cabover-type sewage suction trucks on the KrAZ-6511 and KrAZ-5401N2 chassis for the African Republic of Djibouti. A couple of weeks later, a tank truck on a KrAZ-6322 all-wheel drive bonnet chassis was sent to the Krivoy Rog mining enterprise.

It happened in the middle of last year. And since then, little was known about the Kremenchuk car manufacturers. In 2019, only 209 cars were sold, some of which had been gathering dust in warehouses for a couple of years before. And in 2020, 29 KrAZ vehicles left the assembly line. Compare with 2007, when the factory workers set a record and assembled 450 trucks in one month!

The "democratic" Maidan had a negative impact on Kremenchug. In 2018, bankruptcy proceedings began. And the plant gradually plunged into a deep coma ...

Humanitarian aid


Help for the plant, which had already despaired of complaining about the Ukrainian leadership, unexpectedly came from the United States. US21 Inc from Fairfax (Virginia) intends to purchase KrAZ trucks with 4x4 wheel arrangement within three years.

The contract amount of $ 53 million is also impressive. US21 Inc has been purchasing equipment for the needs of the US armed forces for a long time, which confirms the state origin of the money for KrAZ trucks. The number of planned trucks is not yet discussed.

Only the specialization of machines is disclosed - flatbed trucks, universal chassis and tank cars. Separately, the supply of a mass of spare parts is prescribed, which is not surprising, given the quality of the work of the plant workers.

Apparently, the Americans intend to buy KrAZ-5233VE Spetsnaz trucks from Ukraine. These are the most modern army flatbed trucks that entered the conveyor back in 2008. The machine is capable of taking on board 6 tons of cargo and has a good power-to-weight ratio - with an engine power of 300-400 liters. from.

Spetsnaz is capable of accelerating to 120 km / h on the highway. You can roughly calculate the number of purchased cars. In 2014, KrAZ-Spetsnaz cost about 52 thousand dollars. For seven years, the cost of a truck in dollar terms, if it has changed, then not dramatically. Taking into account the total contract value of $ 53 million, it can be assumed that the United States will purchase up to 1000 trucks in three years.

Много это или мало?

Of course, after 29 KrAZ trucks were produced last year, for Kremenchug this is just manna from heaven.



KrAZ-5233VE Special Forces. Sources: files.uos.ua, kargoteka.info

But this is unlikely to be able to change the deplorable state of the plant - KrAZ needs multibillion-dollar investments in the development of new models and a radical improvement in the assembly quality.

And although on the official website they are already drinking victorious champagne, boasting about world-class cars, no matter how the Americans have to return the contract KrAZ trucks back to their homeland. In Ukraine, they are very dissatisfied with the quality of the vehicles and even abandoned the KrAZ-7634NE chassis for the Neptune missile system in favor of the Czech Tatra.

Will spoiled Americans be satisfied with products from Kremenchug?

However, the US Army with 100% probability will not get the KrAZ-Spetsnaz into service.

Firstly, the car does not meet NATO and Pentagon standards in any way.

Secondly, the trucks will be equipped with Chinese motors and gearboxes. Here, by the way, US21 Inc supported not only the Ukrainian, but also the Chinese manufacturer, which looks strange in the current realities of the confrontation. Therefore, most likely, KrAZ trucks will go to supply regimes friendly to the United States. For example, as a gift to the Afghan army, so to speak, goodbye. Cars are not bad for Iraq, especially since in the early 2000s Kremenchug already sold several thousand cars to this country.

There is a possibility of deliveries of the purchased KrAZ trucks ... back to Ukraine. Here the United States will immediately solve two problems - it will provide military assistance to Kiev, and will deal a tangible blow to the hated Lukashenka regime. Minsk will not be counted in the order book of several hundred trucks at once.

The Americans have definitely put a tick in the history of aid to Ukraine. Only this will not save KrAZ.

If the country does not need its own defense-related automobile plant, then transatlantic compassion will only prolong the agony.
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  1. andrewkor
    andrewkor 26 May 2021 05: 21
    +1
    I drove like the 256th onboard with a huge body with pneumatic power steering. To manipulate the steering wheel, you even had to get up from the seat. No, well, nafig him!
    1. Andrey1978
      Andrey1978 26 May 2021 05: 42
      +16
      The legendary film Mimino, the dude was delighted there, he even went to the theater :)
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 26 May 2021 18: 45
        -1
        After 2004, the Ukrainian government officially banned KrAZ from cooperating with Russia

        Maybe after 2014
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 26 May 2021 18: 50
          -1
          Minsk will miss several hundred trucks in the order book at once

          It seems to me that Lukashenka did not strengthen his army in this way, but tried to establish economic ties with his neighbor. For Belarus, it will be a blessing that several hundred trucks, made more than half of the marriage, will not get into it.
    2. zlobny tatarin
      zlobny tatarin 26 May 2021 08: 03
      +20
      A comrade drove the baby carriage. KrAZ has not pneumatic, but a hydraulic booster. Were without him. Hands were broken off. We adapted Zilovsky, it turned out very well. And so the machine-beast was then. The Yamzovsky engine is just a miracle. The design of the machine is primitive, just for the army. I was there on the K-162 crane.
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 26 May 2021 12: 37
        +2
        Quote: zlobny tatarin
        And so the machine-beast was then.

        Yes, the car is a beast, "where I see, there I go," we have soldiers on the RSP (landing radar, glide course), secretly restored the old three-axle KrAZ and for four months, at night, they slowly drove it to the civilians for moonshine, until they shot down at night the post where the L-39 technicians were serving, the scandal was terrible.))))
        1. Tima62
          Tima62 27 May 2021 08: 56
          +1
          About the patency.
          The plant got carried away by two-axle KrAZ 5233 with a carrying capacity of 6 tons. It is interesting to compare its characteristics with the Ural 4320 with the same carrying capacity.
          KrAZ - 4x4
          Curb weight, kg 11200
          Full weight of the car, kg 17300
          Loading capacity, kg 6000
          Tires 550 (75R21)
          Axle load - 8650 kg.
          Ural- 6x6
          Curb weight, kg 9010
          Gross weight, kg 15235
          Carrying capacity, kg 6000
          Tires 14.00-20
          Gross weight distribution, front axle, kg 4980
          Distribution of the total weight, on the rear bogie, kg 10255 (5128 x 2).
          Which is better for flotation - 4 wheels with more ground pressure, or 6 smaller wheels with less ground pressure?
          I believe that the three-axle Ural has the best characteristics of adaptability to different soils and profiles. Moreover, the Urals are 2 tons lighter than KrAZ with the same carrying capacity.
        2. Elena Zakharova
          Elena Zakharova 28 May 2021 23: 44
          0
          I heard that earlier KRAZ had a wooden cabin, right?
          And now how, from the manure?
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 29 May 2021 09: 19
            -4
            Quote: Elena Zakharova
            I heard that earlier KRAZ had a wooden cabin, right?
            And now how, from the manure?

            Yes, before, some of the cockpit parts were made of plywood. And where did you get such a "profound" assumption about manure? Do you like this substance?
            1. Elena Zakharova
              Elena Zakharova 29 May 2021 20: 52
              +2
              Manure is an excellent building material actively used in Ukraine.
              What don't you like?
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 29 May 2021 21: 40
                -4
                Horse manure is used as an ingredient in the preparation of traditional building mixtures throughout southern Russia. I'm talking about adobe, clay plasters, especially for ovens, etc. But to use manure in the automotive industry ..... And manure has never been used anywhere as a building material. They used to drown with dung in the steppe regions, and the Turks still use it to drown in their villages.
                1. Elena Zakharova
                  Elena Zakharova 29 May 2021 21: 59
                  +1
                  You poorly know the history of manure as a building material.
                  But the essence of my comment is somewhat different.
                  In Ukraine, they went further, and manure is now there not only as engineering raw materials, but also as currency.
                  1. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 30 May 2021 08: 00
                    -4
                    Quote: Elena Zakharova
                    In Ukraine, they went further, and manure is now there not only as engineering raw materials, but also as currency.

                    You should watch less TV, maybe then everyone will stop imagining delirium. If Soloviev tells you that Pesiegolovtsy live in Ukraine, will you also start posting similar pictures?
                    1. Elena Zakharova
                      Elena Zakharova 30 May 2021 08: 54
                      0
                      And who is Soloviev, and what is TV?
                      And in Ukraine I write only the truth, which I receive first-hand.
                      There is stagnation, collapse and decay.
                      No not like this?
                      Is it really flourishing and prosperity?
                      1. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 30 May 2021 09: 53
                        -1
                        Quote: Elena Zakharova
                        And in Ukraine I write only the truth, which I receive first-hand.

                        That is, do you think that I should believe that manure in Ukraine is in circulation as a currency, on a par with the ruble, hryvnia or dollar? I live in the Kuban, we differ much less from the inhabitants of eastern or central Ukraine than from the inhabitants of Siberia or Pomorie. Almost everyone has relatives in Ukraine, we also have an idea of ​​how life is there. Worse, of course, but can't you see that we are rapidly catching up with them? I live in a village, the life of a peasant is practically the same neither with us, nor with them.
                        Quote: Elena Zakharova
                        There is stagnation, collapse and decay.
                        No not like this?
                        Is it really flourishing and prosperity?

                        Do you mean prosperity and prosperity here? If everything goes as it is, then in terms of the level of well-being we will very soon catch up with them. In the village, they have already caught up.
                      2. Elena Zakharova
                        Elena Zakharova 30 May 2021 10: 09
                        +1
                        It's not harmful to fantasize, go on.
                        hee hee)))

                        In fact, the level of well-being of Russian citizens only increases every year, even despite the pandemic and the type of sanctions.
                        Perhaps not as fast as we would like, but it's a simple fact.
                        But in ukre this level decreases.
                        Although, of course, various counters can post such as indices of well-being and other crap, which, as a rule, has nothing to do with the real picture of this situation.
                      3. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 30 May 2021 10: 37
                        0
                        Quote: Elena Zakharova
                        In fact, the level of well-being of Russian citizens only increases every year, even despite the pandemic and the type of sanctions.

                        What kind of citizens' well-being? From the Forbes list? In this, our state is ahead of the rest of the planet. Have you been to the store for a long time? How has salary increased over the past six months? How did food prices increase? I watch you live on TV. Yes, the corrupt and corrupt Rosstat, and he writes about the fall in the level of welfare.
                      4. Elena Zakharova
                        Elena Zakharova 30 May 2021 10: 41
                        -2
                        You don't write nonsense to me from agitation.
                        And I go to shops, and I live in Russia, unlike you, aliens.
                      5. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 30 May 2021 10: 51
                        0
                        Quote: Elena Zakharova
                        You don't write nonsense to me from agitation.
                        And I go to shops, and I live in Russia, unlike you, aliens.

                        You are just carrying Solovyov's foolishness. Chickens in magnet we had in December for 100 rubles, today for 150 rubles, Puzanin for smoking was 190 rubles, today 260 rubles, etc. Stop carrying TV vomit, it's disgusting to read. I'm already tired of the Teletubbies. Are you also in their slender ranks?
                      6. Elena Zakharova
                        Elena Zakharova 30 May 2021 11: 03
                        -2
                        Teletubbies as a rule are all sorts of aleksejkabanets, who even can't write their own account in Russian letters.
                        As a rule, these are all the chicks of the State Department, they mow under the Russians.
                      7. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 30 May 2021 22: 17
                        0
                        Quote: Elena Zakharova
                        Teletubbies as a rule are all sorts of aleksejkabanets, who even can't write their own account in Russian letters.
                        As a rule, these are all the chicks of the State Department, they mow under the Russians.

                        Especially for the alternatively gifted I explain, [email protected], my soap (there is no mail in the Cyrillic alphabet), hence the nickname. Tell me when you run out of arguments. Do you always call your opponents Ukrainians and agents of the State Department? Is this a dispute you have? So what about the rise in the standard of living of the population and the growth of our "mighty" economy?
                      8. Elena Zakharova
                        Elena Zakharova 30 May 2021 22: 21
                        -1
                        I always like cranks, they are so funny when they start clumsily making excuses in social networks. networks.
                        You yourself are not ashamed to write such an excuse to me?
                        Three minutes of business to change English letters to a normal account written in Russian.
                        Maybe your hands are crooked?
                        What do you dislike about the Russian economy?
                        Thank God we are not rotting like in Ukraine, we are developing.
                        No not like this?
                      9. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 30 May 2021 22: 48
                        -1
                        Quote: Elena Zakharova
                        Three minutes of business to change English letters to a normal account written in Russian.

                        What for? What alternative to gifted characters would be clearer? Who needs it, he sees in the nickname and name and surname.
                        Quote: Elena Zakharova
                        What do you dislike about the Russian economy?

                        And what should I like, negative growth? Lack of domestic microelectronics, civil aircraft construction, etc. there will be more than one thousand characters. No not like this?
                        Quote: Elena Zakharova
                        Thank God we are not rotting like in Ukraine, we are developing.

                        I'm already starting to worry about your health.))))
                      10. Elena Zakharova
                        Elena Zakharova 30 May 2021 22: 52
                        -2
                        Worry about yourself and your well-being, but somehow I feel quite normal without your worries.
                        Yes, it’s always funny to me when a seemingly adult turns on a kindergarten and starts writing to me about the absence of microelectronics and aviation development in Russia ...
                        Or do you mean Ukraine and not Russia, right?
                      11. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 31 May 2021 04: 06
                        0
                        Quote: Elena Zakharova
                        Yes, it’s always funny to me when a seemingly adult turns on a kindergarten and starts writing to me about the absence of microelectronics and aviation development in Russia ...

                        Call me enterprises in the Russian Federation that produce microelectronics and do not forget to clarify how many nanometer technology. Regarding "aviation development", just tell me what share of the world civil aviation market is occupied by the Russian Federation. For your information, when in the USSR the market share was 40%. How do you like the development?
                      12. Elena Zakharova
                        Elena Zakharova 2 June 2021 23: 07
                        -1
                        as far as nanometer technology.

                        miracle, nanometers is not technology!
                        It was specifically for the dunduk that they began to use such a term so that they were stupid on the Internet.
                      13. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 3 June 2021 11: 34
                        0
                        Quote: Elena Zakharova
                        miracle, nanometers is not technology!
                        It was specifically for the dunduk that they began to use such a term so that they were stupid on the Internet.

                        Laponka, suddenly, if you forgot your school physics course, I will remind you. To put it simply, one of the most important characteristics of this technology is the number of pn transitions per square mm. This is what such concepts as 7nm or 32nm technologies speak about. Tell me you are blonde on Abba, is this your natural hair color?
                      14. Elena Zakharova
                        Elena Zakharova 3 June 2021 20: 10
                        -1
                        dove, the blonde has a Ph.D. behind her shoulders, just on this topic.
                        And you have a vocational school, right?
                        Do not bother otmazyvatsya, I already see that vocational school))
                      15. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 3 June 2021 22: 16
                        -1
                        Quote: Elena Zakharova
                        the blonde has a Ph.D. under her belt, just on this topic.

                        That is why the blonde with the "candidate behind her shoulders" did not answer a single question, constantly becoming personal?
                      16. Elena Zakharova
                        Elena Zakharova 4 June 2021 19: 35
                        +1
                        What kind of person are we talking about?
                        I don't see them.
                        About technology, maybe smarter.

                        To make it clear, I explain it on my fingers with another example.

                        Let's say welding metal ...
                        1. The welder welds with a 3 mm electrode. Let there be "Monolith"
                        2. Then the welder takes the MP-3 electrode and continues to cook.
                        Is this one technology?

                        Farther.
                        1. The welder takes a 5 mm electrode and cooks on ....
                        2. Instead of an apparatus in a trance, it switches to an inverter.
                        Is this also a different technology?

                        EsChyoyo ...))
                        And if the metal is thin and the welder picks up dirt, is this also another technology?
                        Good...
                        And then there is laser welding, argon ...
                        These are all different technologies, right?

                        Eh ... connoisseurs.
                        You are up to blondes like to Beijing crustaceans.
      2. Elena Zakharova
        Elena Zakharova 30 May 2021 22: 24
        0
        (there is no mail in Cyrillic),

        Yes, mail in Cyrillic also happens.
        Oh, how retarded you are ...
        And correct your comment, otherwise you will again be declared a ukrobot who disguises himself as a citizen of Russia.
        In the word KIRILLITS there are two (!!!) letters "L" and not one like yours.
        This is how the Svidomites usually write, and of course other Westerners ...
      3. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 30 May 2021 23: 06
        -1
        Quote: Elena Zakharova
        Yes, mail in Cyrillic also happens.

        I don't even know what you need to smoke in order to use it. Read at least here: https://qna.habr.com/q/18160 You can test it yourself. Unsubscribe later how other mail services and sites perceive it.
        Quote: Elena Zakharova
        (there is no mail in Cyrillic),

        Yes, mail in Cyrillic also happens.
        Oh, how retarded you are ...
        And correct your comment, otherwise you will again be declared a ukrobot who disguises himself as a citizen of Russia.
        In the word KIRILLITS there are two (!!!) letters "L" and not one like yours.
        This is how the Svidomites usually write, and of course other Westerners ...

        Usually, a person writes this way when he is in a hurry and wrote. And what "svidomity, well, and other zapadentsy" as it is differently Russian study?
        Quote: Elena Zakharova
        otherwise you will again be declared a ukrobot who dresses up as a citizen of Russia.

        The opinion of poorly educated alternatively gifted characters interests me little.
      4. Elena Zakharova
        Elena Zakharova 2 June 2021 23: 00
        0
        Everything is stupid ...
        Okay, live, academician ...))
        Oh la, I rarely meet such))
  2. Elena Zakharova
    Elena Zakharova 30 May 2021 22: 30
    +1
    Only dummies associate the general level of well-being of the people with changes in prices in stores.
    If you are talking about chickens, then you need to hang out a sign, an official one, which will reflect the drop in chicken sales in Russia due to its rise in price.
    But there is no such official sign, trouble ...
    But there is another, which reflects the real picture, namely the increase in sales of chicken.
    But the truth is like a bone in your throat, right?

    And this, by the way, is the very increase in the well-being of the people of Russia, which you really do not like.
  3. aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 30 May 2021 23: 28
    0
    Quote: Elena Zakharova
    Only dummies associate the general level of well-being of the people with changes in prices in stores.

    Only fools can talk about the growth of the population's well-being in isolation from the shopping basket.
    Quote: Elena Zakharova
    If you are talking about chickens, then you need to hang out a sign, an official one, which will reflect the drop in chicken sales in Russia due to its rise in price.
    But there is no such official sign, trouble ...
    But there is another, which reflects the real picture, namely the increase in sales of chicken.
    But the truth is like a bone in your throat, right?

    I don’t even know how much an alternatively gifted character one should be, so as not to understand that the drop in sales of beef and pork against the background of an increase in demand for chicken speaks only of replacing expensive meat with cheaper ones, the same is evidenced by an increase in demand for offal ... And how does what you wrote correlate with an increase in the cost of chicken by 30-50%? Or the Teletubbies are constantly getting cheaper and chicken is the same?
  4. aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 30 May 2021 23: 34
    +1
    Quote: Elena Zakharova
    And this, by the way, is the very increase in the well-being of the people of Russia, which you really do not like.

    In raising prices, increasing housing and communal services, in your opinion, increasing the welfare of the people? You at least check with your corrupt Rosstat or something. Or are they also agents of the State Department?
  5. Elena Zakharova
    Elena Zakharova 2 June 2021 23: 01
    -1
    Are you sitting in a children's sandbox?
    Welfare is a complex of benefits that a citizen receives.
    Did not know?
  6. Elena Zakharova
    Elena Zakharova 30 May 2021 10: 10
    -1
    Well, manure is already in the Ukraine as a local currency, it's a simple fact))
  7. aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 30 May 2021 10: 38
    -1
    Quote: Elena Zakharova
    Well, manure is already in the Ukraine as a local currency, it's a simple fact))

    I will pour manure for you, come and change with your Ukrainian friends.))))
  8. Elena Zakharova
    Elena Zakharova 30 May 2021 10: 42
    0
    I do not need ukrovalyuta.
    Not stable, only circulates in the chicken coop.
  • Palestinian Cossack
    Palestinian Cossack 29 May 2021 12: 59
    +3
    "manure" is a brand of plywood that is not afraid of water))
  • Anatoliy
    Anatoliy 26 May 2021 16: 23
    +8
    The KrAZ-214 and KrAZ-219 vehicles had a pneumatic power steering, 255,256,257,258 had a hydraulic booster with a ZIL 130 pump, so it was changed, for example, to NSh-10.
  • Maz
    Maz 26 May 2021 19: 36
    0
    Not vmerla yet, ale vzhe pry smrti .... We have the Headquarters of the Far East Military District for exercises in the places of secret forest deployment, they went out, sho the tank was rushing.
  • Klingon
    Klingon 26 May 2021 19: 38
    +1
    back in 1986, my dad and I got to the north, where they had a KRAZ dump truck with the nickname "Beet Loader" in a construction detachment. In short, there were always two in the cab and the driver to turn right always yelled "come on right now!" and the men turned the steering wheel to the right together. to the left, the driver alone coped
    1. Siberian54
      Siberian54 26 May 2021 20: 01
      +5
      So what? It was not on the cards to adjust the power steering control spool? smile
  • bistrov.
    bistrov. 27 May 2021 07: 10
    0
    Quote: andrewkor
    No, well, nafig him!

    After 3-4 thousand km of run at the Kraz-255, at a speed of more than 40 km, a strange vibration began, as if rolling from side to side, no forces could eliminate this "phenomenon", experts explained this by the displacement of the centering of the bridges, but 255- it’s not so bad, but the real "miracle" of the ukroavtoprom is Kraz-214, how many drivers suffered with them ... In general, I can say one thing, they did not like Krazy in the army, they made peace out of necessity, like, where can you go ...
    1. Anatoliy
      Anatoliy 27 May 2021 17: 23
      +4
      After 3-4 thousand km of run at the Kraz-255, at a speed of more than 40 km, a strange vibration began

      Such bumpiness on the Kraz 255 appeared due to vibrations of the front wheels. It was necessary to adjust the camber by removing the shims of the pivot bearings.
      Krazy tortured people not only in the army, based on personal experience, I will say that the YaMZ 238 engine with a checkpoint was good, everything else is just awful. Only the wooden cabin is worth something. URAL, ZIL, GAZ were simply outstanding in quality compared to this miracle car industry.
      1. bistrov.
        bistrov. 27 May 2021 23: 43
        0
        Quote: Anatoliy
        it was a good engine YAMZ 238 with a checkpoint

        I agree, the engine was good and it started well, and everything else is awful ...
  • Andrey1978
    Andrey1978 26 May 2021 05: 51
    +25
    Bought in the KrAZ quarry back in 2008. Board, on swamp tires. The cockpit is bright green. The build quality was excellent, the driver said that MAZ is better, especially KamAZ. Among the shortcomings, this is a huge turning radius, and an excess in width. In the process of ferrying, they were even fined at the traffic police post, the experienced inspector was immediately behind the measuring bar and ran. And he easily got under way from the fifth gear. As an archaic special equipment for murderous exploitation, it is even nothing, and the brake system has never failed, as in the Chinese.
  • Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 26 May 2021 05: 53
    -1
    Suspiciously low price:
    In 2014 KrAZ-Spetsnaz cost about 52 thousand dollars. For seven years, the cost of a truck in dollar terms, if it has changed, then not dramatically. Taking into account the total contract value of $ 53 million, it can be assumed that the United States will purchase up to 1000 trucks in three years.

    Four-wheel drive trucks 6 * 6 cannot be so cheap, the price must start from $ 100 thousand.
    1. Avior
      Avior 26 May 2021 07: 13
      +1
      ... US21 Inc from Fairfax (Virginia) intends to purchase KrAZ trucks with 4x4 wheel arrangement within three years.
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 26 May 2021 08: 00
        -1
        It's still suspiciously cheap, even budget crossovers cost from $ 30, RX crossovers cost $ 40, GX jeeps cost $ 70, SUVs like LX570 and TLK200 cost $ 100. This is also taking into account the fact that they are produced in huge series of hundreds of thousands of units, and not as practically piece KrAZ trucks. Special equipment has always cost and is very expensive, comparable in price with all sorts of Lamborghinis and 5-liter Geliks.
        1. Avior
          Avior 26 May 2021 08: 15
          +1
          write that they really cost 50 thousand
          I also think that if there was such a price, then it should not have changed much.
          https://truck.ironhorse.ru/kraz-5233ve.html
          2,6 million rubles in 2014
          And there is
        2. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 26 May 2021 09: 15
          +5
          Quote: Kot_Kuzya
          It's still suspiciously cheap, even budget crossovers cost from $ 30, RX crossovers cost $ 40, GX jeeps cost $ 70, SUVs like LX570 and TLK200 cost $ 100. This is also taking into account the fact that they are produced in huge series of hundreds of thousands of units, and not as practically piece KrAZ trucks. Special equipment has always cost and is very expensive, comparable in price with all sorts of Lamborghinis and 5-liter Geliks.


          Sorry, but you are wrong.
          Premium cars do not differ slightly in production costs from budget cars.
          And the price may differ by an order of magnitude.
          I was at the Porsche factory in Leipzig for 2 weeks.
          There is no expensive "magic and sorcery" there ...
    2. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 26 May 2021 09: 13
      +8
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      Suspiciously low price:
      In 2014 KrAZ-Spetsnaz cost about 52 thousand dollars. For seven years, the cost of a truck in dollar terms, if it has changed, then not dramatically. Taking into account the total contract value of $ 53 million, it can be assumed that the United States will purchase up to 1000 trucks in three years.

      Four-wheel drive trucks 6 * 6 cannot be so cheap, the price must start from $ 100 thousand.

      Ural Next 6x6 rotational buses were bought in 2019 at a price of 4 million 200 thousand rubles.
      "Vakhtovka" - its revision, installation of a passenger box for 22 seats, transfer to category "D", costs about 700 thousand - 1 million rubles. Accordingly, the price of the actual flatbed truck 6x6 is about the same 50-55 thousand dollars, if you count at the exchange rate ...
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 26 May 2021 05: 59
    +1
    The Americans have definitely put a tick in the history of aid to Ukraine.
    Probably so it is worth considering, tk. even the Ukrainian Armed Forces refused them, and the Americans suddenly decided to buy.
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 26 May 2021 11: 22
      +4
      Quote: rotmistr60
      The Americans have definitely put a tick in the history of aid to Ukraine.
      Probably so it is worth considering, tk. even the Ukrainian Armed Forces refused them, and the Americans suddenly decided to buy.

      Krazy is willingly bought by African countries and countries of Southeast Asia. In general, those countries where harsh operating conditions and krivoruky mechanics. Perhaps some of them will get it.
    2. S. Smirnov
      S. Smirnov 27 May 2021 07: 47
      +19
      Quote: rotmistr60
      and the Americans suddenly decided to buy

      I don't believe in 1000 cars. Half of the money will be raked by intermediaries from the USA.
  • Professor
    Professor 26 May 2021 06: 36
    +11
    This is an absolutely symmetrical story with the American purchases of Soviet Mi-8s from the Russian Federation for the needs of Afghanistan. KrAZ will go to the US allies not spoiled by bourgeois quality and comfort.
    In addition to purely material benefits, Ukraine has an opportunity to learn how to integrate bourgeois components (Mercedes diesel engines, for example) on their equipment.
    1. Siberian54
      Siberian54 26 May 2021 20: 11
      +1
      And where is the spoilage? It is very expensive and taking into account the mentality to retrain the Afghan army for high-tech equipment.
    2. unhappy
      unhappy 27 May 2021 08: 15
      +3
      Was the Mi-8 scolded for quality? Is the volume and comfort inside the Mi-8 worse than that of the Hawk?
      Or maybe you are deliberately throwing gamno at the fan?
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 26 May 2021 07: 08
    0
    It is much easier to follow the path of Bogdan - to collect MAZs from car sets. Diesel has Chinese ... bridges too.
  • BAI
    BAI 26 May 2021 08: 34
    -3
    There are several options:
    1. Use to simulate equipment of the RF Armed Forces during exercises.
    2. Transfer to Ukraine as military aid.
    3. Sell to Ukraine as military supplies.
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 26 May 2021 09: 06
    +3
    I can't even imagine KrAZ without the Yaroslavl diesel engine. I remember these cars on urgent service. We were on the autobath. Of course, you have to put your hands on it. But the car is strong and serious. And it requires a serious attitude towards itself.
  • AntiAleks
    AntiAleks 26 May 2021 09: 09
    +1
    all that remains is to envy
  • Devyatomayets
    Devyatomayets 26 May 2021 10: 06
    +13
    The essence of one phenomenon that takes place in the comments on VO is very interesting: here it is customary to hysterically praise Soviet equipment for its incredible reliability, but as soon as it comes to the same technique, but in already "non-brotherly" fears, how is it home-grown experts begin to find fault with the lack of a power steering on the steering wheel, and unreliability, etc.
    Here and so - the super-reliable Soviet Kraz, which has no analogues in the world, with one light movement of his fingers on the keyboard turned into a soulless, decaying, puppy-dead benderokraz wassat
    1. Tarasios
      Tarasios 26 May 2021 12: 02
      +4
      I'm embarrassed to ask: what is left of the "Soviet Kraz", taking into account the "alternative" set? Name?
    2. Victorio
      Victorio 27 May 2021 12: 01
      0
      Quote: Devyatomayets
      The essence of one phenomenon that takes place in the comments on VO is very interesting: here it is customary to hysterically praise Soviet equipment for its incredible reliability, but as soon as it comes to the same technique, but in already "non-brotherly" fears, how is it home-grown experts begin to find fault with the lack of a power steering on the steering wheel, and unreliability, etc.
      Here and so - the super-reliable Soviet Kraz, which has no analogues in the world, with one light movement of his fingers on the keyboard turned into a soulless, decaying, puppy-dead benderokraz wassat

      ===
      since the 80s, more marriage has gone, hence the different reviews. in 81st a new KAMAZ came to the platoon, everything had to be checked and lubricated.
  • Thorvlobnor IV
    Thorvlobnor IV 26 May 2021 11: 03
    +4
    Amazing analytics! So much has been written, but not a word about who owns the plant at the moment, about how it happened that the plant is all in debt.
    1. Black lotos
      Black lotos 27 May 2021 22: 57
      +1
      Quote: Torvlobnor IV
      that the plant is all in debt.

      they are private traders. Not a state enterprise. The owner is pursuing such a destructive policy for the enterprise.
      If the NSDC decides that Zhevago will destroy KRAZ, then it will also be nationalized. There and so the NBU has everything in pledge.
      In general, having such large orders during the war years and being in debt ... an example of an effective manager.
      KrAZ "during the war years 2014-2018 managed to sell a huge amount of military equipment to law enforcement agencies - 2772 pieces. However, this did not save the company from bankruptcy.
  • Normal ok
    Normal ok 26 May 2021 11: 25
    +1
    I will correct the inaccuracy: on the 7th photo, the KRAZ-63221 is not a "rotational vehicle" but a vehicle for transporting NSU personnel.
  • Scharnhorst
    Scharnhorst 26 May 2021 11: 52
    +4
    Even before the collapse of the USSR, the 260 appeared. Went to replace "255". It would be better not to change anything. After storage on "combat" vehicles, all pneumatics and hydraulics hissed and flowed. And real working days pulled out an old "255" with conscripts at the wheel. The length of the "260" has increased and the maneuverability has generally disappeared. And so on the asphalt they chased with KAMAZ trucks.
  • Tarasios
    Tarasios 26 May 2021 11: 59
    +6
    Quote: andrewkor
    I drove like the 256th onboard with a huge body with pneumatic power steering. To manipulate the steering wheel, you even had to get up from the seat. No, well, nafig him!

    Eh, you did not appreciate the idea and care of the car plant about your health: after all, the wise plant workers thus tried to give you the opportunity to pump up your arms, legs, back, oblique muscles of the press, and at the same time prevent hemorrhoids, the eternal misfortune of drivers, right during the taxi .. .There, after all, wise people developed the car;)
    For example, at one time I immediately saw and appreciated such care. When he served as a crane operator on an urgent basis. And here is the 8T210 crane (URAL 375, gasoline), winter, and you need to install a charged (and heavy) battery. The installation place of which is under the driver's seat, in such a cramped box. At a height - if you count from the ground - for the height of a person practically. And I, a puny soldier with a height of 1,66 m, alone this battery back and forth ... I almost cried from happiness)))
  • Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 26 May 2021 13: 13
    +4
    in particular, the motors of the Yaroslavl plant. And Kremenchug had to adapt - to adapt the Chinese diesels Weichai Power

    It is rather a positive phenomenon - a series of industrial diesels WP12 (WP12.460E50 Displacement - 11 596 cm3, power - 430 hp, torque - 2060 Nm). - more modern, economical and have a significantly longer resource than the YaMZ - especially the YaMZ-650 (a variant of the French DCi11 engine from Renault) or YaMZ-652.
    By the way, MAZ also supplies WP series of engines.
  • CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz 26 May 2021 13: 24
    -2
    This beat as expected. ZionUSA will be fed to the military-industrial complex UA but only so, the shtob is not a breath.
  • Mark kalendarov
    Mark kalendarov 26 May 2021 13: 25
    -2
    No wonder ...
    US Armed Forces Exercise Target Vehicles.
    And, as mentioned, re-export to third countries ...
  • ZAV69
    ZAV69 26 May 2021 14: 34
    0
    Since the days of the bourgeoisie, much has passed under the bridge.
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  • APASUS
    APASUS 26 May 2021 17: 05
    +1
    Ukraine many times signed strange agreements with the Americans and other crooks, they built an LNG terminal (and then it turned out that the company itself needs money). It looks like another agreement
  • AC130 Ganship
    AC130 Ganship 26 May 2021 18: 38
    +1
    Colleagues, what is $ 50M in three years for the Pentagon? These are not even seeds. This is the budget for the supply of mineral water and cola to offices. Or half of one piece. F-35. Well, they will go through the papers as gratuitous aid to the country of the 3rd world. Then they will quietly write off Krazy in the trash. Or even hint Kiev not to send them anywhere ...
  • markant1970
    markant1970 26 May 2021 18: 51
    -1
    The plant is undergoing bankruptcy proceedings. The owner is on the run.
    On the AvtoKraz website: -cars are completed at the request of the customer, including Mercedes and Manov engines
  • Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 26 May 2021 20: 33
    0
    The patient is rather dead

    And they are trying to treat poultices.
    Ko-ko-kakly.
  • Byurer
    Byurer 26 May 2021 20: 42
    +1
    Avtokraz has long been a private shop, part of a powerful financial and industrial group. But at the same time with minimal investment in the development and modernization of the plant. Therefore, it is logical that the state does not make much sense to support unprofitable and outdated production, even for the sake of the electorate - only a little more than a thousand people work there, even if the same number is on subcontractors.
    1. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 27 May 2021 12: 21
      0
      Quote: Burer
      But at the same time with minimal investment in the development and modernization of the plant

      Could it be any other way for patients with Svidomo?
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 27 May 2021 08: 55
    +1
    I don’t know what KRAZ it is now, but in my time (1993) it was so-so crap that could not be compared with URAL. I don’t think that something has changed and the American will sit behind the wheel of this miracle.
  • Victorio
    Victorio 27 May 2021 11: 50
    0
    yes, whole pieces of history disappear into oblivion. I traveled a little on the 255th to sa. powerful machine
  • Silver Fox
    Silver Fox 27 May 2021 12: 57
    +2
    I met this miracle in Urengoy. My ears were constantly filling up in the cockpit. I don’t understand why there was such a sound.
  • Eug
    Eug 27 May 2021 18: 59
    0
    I meet such well-groomed people on the road, I haven't seen one broken. Outwardly - a powerful, well-behaved, "vaerennaya" machine.
  • Diverter
    Diverter 29 May 2021 11: 42
    0
    in 60 - 70 it was a very good technique. 80 still somehow put up, the more a real iron cabin appeared. In the 90s, the car got so everything that could flow from it flowed. The quality was terrible. As I understand it, the quality only dropped, so this technology is not needed by anyone.
  • Protos
    Protos 31 May 2021 17: 30
    0
    In 2014, Petya Parashenko became the largest shareholder of KrAZ.
    In 2018, he sold shares of the KrAZ association lol
  • Glenni
    Glenni 31 May 2021 19: 45
    0
    Who would say, buy a KAMAZ, it will be correct. Not tired?
  • Ivanushka Ivanov
    Ivanushka Ivanov 1 June 2021 22: 19
    -2
    IMHO. I agree with the author that these vehicles will be transferred to the Ukrainian army. KRAZ as such amer - well, generally on the side. Just to give money - it is so arranged that even gold ducats that have passed through the bowels, no, the cloaca of this state, miraculously turns into rusty, non-working rubbish.
    However, there is something really interesting in this seemingly ridiculous episode ...
    1. The fact that amers really need to put traitors to the Slavs on working (the Americans will accept) machines, which on occasion / traitors to the Slavs / will be able to quickly repair themselves.
    2. Three years = in practice can shrink to one and a half to two years. Thus, in 2 years, the big hour of X begins. During these two years, the Americans expect not only to resurrect ISIS, but also to root it in Central Asia.

    Meanwhile. Equipment and equipment are being intensively imported to Afghanistan by US planes. The cruising of transport planes is presented by them as "evacuation" of the contingent. Such an unpretentious game of thimbles. In early autumn, the responsible persons expect to "completely withdraw" the contingent from Afghanistan. This means that the attack on Iran may well begin at the end of the summer. Or the timing of the "withdrawal" will be shifted to a more favorable situation for the attack.