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How did they learn about Egypt in Russia?

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Perhaps, it is difficult to find among the films something better cognitively than the Polish film "Pharaoh", filmed back in 1965


“Turn your heart to books ...
Look, there is nothing higher than books! ..
If the scribe has an office in the capital
then he will not be a beggar there ...
Oh if I could make you
love books more than your mother,
if I could show them their beauty in front of you!
This is better than any other job.
When the scribe is still a child, he is already welcomed.
He's sent to do errands
and he doesn't come back to put on the apron.
I have never seen a sculptor as a messenger or a goldsmith sent,
but I saw a coppersmith at work at the furnaces of his stove.
His fingers were like crocodile skin
and it smelled worse than fish roe. "

(The teaching of Akhtoy, son of Duauf, to his son Piopi).
19th Chester Beatty Papyrus, British Museum

History great civilizations. The history of Ancient Egypt is one of those topics that always interest the reader to a greater or lesser extent. There is no more pointless topic in terms of real benefits and benefits, but ... interesting. And if it is interesting, then it is necessary. So the publication on the VO website of several articles about Akhenaten, Ramses and the boats of the ancient Egyptians caused another surge of interest in this country and its great culture.

"Write about the writing of Ancient Egypt", "write about the finds in the tombs", "write ..." - these are all appeals from the readers of the site, who are interested in learning more about all this. Well, all these topics are really very interesting. However, our today's material, as well as its continuation, we will devote to the story of how the inhabitants of Russia in the distant past began to get acquainted with the culture of Egypt.

That is, how did they learn about Egypt in Russia? Who are Russians and when did they visit this country for the first time? And what written compositions did he leave behind for us?

Eastern Embassy of Ivan the Terrible


And it so happened that none other than Tsar Ivan the Terrible sent an embassy to the Middle East, in which there was also a merchant from Smolensk Vasily Poznyakov. Moreover, the embassy was supposed not only to represent the royal person in the East, but also "the customs in the countries of those writing." That is, it was also a kind of ethnographic expedition. The result of it was the book: "The Walking of the Merchant Vasily Poznyakov" - the first such book that told about Egypt.

How did they learn about Egypt in Russia?
I wonder if Vasily Pozdnyakov and others like him brought you any souvenirs from Egypt? Well, at least something small. For example, this is how this faience amulet of Ra-Horakti, only 2,8 cm high. 664-630. BC e. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

The embassy left Moscow "in the summer of 7066" ("from the creation of the world", that is, in 1558 of our chronology) and went through Lithuania "to Constantinople", and then to Alexandria, where it reached only a year later! From Alexandria, the embassy moved to Cairo, where it stayed for four days. Then again there was Alexandria, after which the ambassadors for some reason went to inspect the Sinai Peninsula.


Another amulet is the goddess Tauret, the patroness of women in labor. Height 5 cm. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

That is, Poznyakov was not in Egypt for long, no more than two weeks. But in his "Voyages" he spoke about the conquest of Egypt by the Turks, and about its nature, and cities:

"And the city was stone and fell apart, only one gate is intact ...".


But this alabaster bowl is just very ancient. Belongs to the early Dynastic period, the era of the reign of the II dynasty, approx. 2750-2649 BC e. Saqqara, Tomb 2322: Egyptian Antiquities Service / Cybella Excavation, 1910–1911. Material: travertine (Egyptian alabaster). Dimensions: height 9,4 cm; diameter 23,6 cm. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

"Bestseller of the XNUMXth century"


In Russia, the book was eventually attributed to the merchant Trifon Korobeinikov, who 25 years after Poznyakov also visited the countries of the East and wrote several more chapters to Pozdnyakov's book. The result of this collective work was a manuscript book that has survived to our time in more than two hundred manuscript lists and forty printed editions. That is, the interest in it among the then Russians was great to the extreme!


Alabaster vessel. New Kingdom, XVIII Dynasty, c. 1550-1458 BC e. Upper Egypt, Thebes, courtyard CC 41, pit 3, burial B 4, between the head of the coffin and the wall, MMA excavations, 1915–1916. Dimensions: height 13,6 cm; diameter 11,6 cm. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

It was only 300 years later that it became clear that Korobeinikov's Travels was actually Pozdnyakov's work. Moreover, six handwritten lists of precisely his "Voyages" have come down to us. So, it is not difficult to compare who and what exactly wrote in them. For example, Korobeinikov has a description of a bird - "strufokamila, or stucco", which is absent from Pozdnyakov:

“And her head is like a duck's, and her feet have hooves ... And her legs are as long as those of a crane, and her wings are like leather; but he walks on the ground and flies little. "

This is how he saw an African ostrich ...


Sarcophagus of Iineferti's mummy. New kingdom. Dynasty XIX. The era of the reign of Ramses II. OK. 1279-1213 BC e. Sarcophagus, characteristic of the Egyptians of the anthropoid shape. It was covered with a wooden lid, sometimes called a "mummy board," carved and painted to depict the deceased as if she were alive and dressed in a long white dress with pleats. Upper Egypt, Thebes, Deir el Medina, Tomb of Sennejem, Egyptian Antiquities Service / Maspero Excavation, 1885-1886 Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

But if the Smolensk merchant Vasily Poznyakov managed to spend only some eleven days in Egypt, then the Kazan merchant “Vasily Yakovlev, nicknamed“ Gagara ”, had been here for fourteen weeks, and he looked out for nothing more than an example and, accordingly, much more. just wrote.


Upper part of the lid of the sarcophagus of Iineferti's mummy. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

"Crocodile is a malicious beast"


In 1634, from Kazan, he went first to Astrakhan, from there to Tiflis, from there to Erzurum, Jerusalem and Egypt. Like all other Russian travelers, he carefully wrote down everything he saw.

Suffering from the "burning sensation of the sun and thirst for water," he walked through the desert and finally reached Cairo. He also turned out to be the first traveler who described the famous obelisk from Heliopolis - "12 fathoms" (about 25 meters in height), and indicated that "the signature is written on it - the pharaoh's name". That is, he was convinced that it was the letters that covered the strange images. But even after more than a hundred years, the German professor Witte considered Egyptian obelisks to be "creations of nature", and the hieroglyphs carved on them were the result of "work" ... of special snails.


In the same tomb, such a figurine of ushabti was found. Ushabti translates as "I'm here!" So this figure should have answered after it ... would come to life in the "next world." The gods assigned work to her master, but the ushebti replied, "I'm here!" and worked in his place. With 365 ushebti you didn't have to worry about anything! Interestingly, this figurine is made of Nile silt and dried in the sun. Similarly, today the Egyptians make copies of exactly the same ushabti and sell them to tourists. From the same material. Only now their forms are modern, elastic. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

Then Gagara was not too lazy to make a long walk on the hot sand just to see the pyramids up close. And he saw! And he called them "strong mountains." That was how they made an impression on him.

In the Nile River, he saw a crocodile and described it as follows:

“... And his head is like a catfish, and his legs are like a man's, and the nature is the same, and the tail of that beast is like a catfish, and in appearance that beast is like a snake ... If he overtakes a man, then he devours of death. The skin on it is like fish scales, and the size of a crocodile is two fathoms. "

By the way, this is the first description of this "beast" in Russian literature!


Egyptian "matryoshka": the sarcophagus of Khonsu, external and internal. New kingdom. Dynasty XIX. The era of the reign of Ramses II. OK. 1279-1213 BC e. Height 188 cm. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

Alexey Mikhailovich's embassy


And then another embassy to the eastern countries was sent and "according to the Tsar Tsarev and the Grand Duke Alexei Mikhailovich of All Russia" on June 10, 1649.

Among the ambassadors was Arseny Sukhanov, the son of an impoverished nobleman, who was "poor and thin, dragged between the courtyard on Tula," learning book wisdom. He obviously did not read the teachings of Akhtoy, but he did read our chroniclers, who insisted that "as if a ship cannot be made without nails, so is a monk without reverence for books." And he was engaged in all sorts of "bookish wisdom" Sukhanov so successfully that he managed to master the Greek language, both ancient, that is, classical, and living, colloquial. He also knew Polish and even a little Latin. And it was useful to him, because he spent more than ten years in his wanderings. And at the same time he carried out important state orders. He was in Georgia, Moldova, Asia Minor, visited the valley of the Tigris and Euphrates, Palestine, visited the banks of the Nile, and also in Greece and on the islands of the Greek archipelago - that is, he was able to see enough by that time.


This is how the hieroglyphic inscription on the Khonsu sarcophagus looks like. New kingdom. Dynasty XIX. The era of the reign of Ramses II. OK. 1279-1213 BC e. Height 188 cm. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

And already in Constantinople, he began to buy and export to Russia "all sorts of Greek and Russian books and drawing sheets of different lands and all sorts of tetrati".


Chelobitnaya Sukhanova, filed with Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich on May 9, 1649 before leaving for the East with a request to give money for the trip. Illustration from the book by N. Petrovsky and A. Belov. Country of Big Hapi. Leningrad. Detlit. 1955 p.21

Sukhanov stayed in Egypt for a month and a half and described the local attractions in great detail.

"Yes, inside the city of Alexandria, without number, there are many stone pillars, high and medium and small, marble from a single stone, carved, round, and not composed",

- he wrote about what he saw.


Mastaba Raemkaya. The ancient kingdom. Dynasty 2446. OK. 2389-1907 BC e. Saqqara, north of the Djoser pyramid complex, Egyptian Antiquities Service / Cybella Excavation, 1908–2381 Mastaba Raemkaya was originally built and decorated for an official named Neferyretnes, whose name and titles can still be seen on the false door. Either Neferyretnes fell out of favor, or his family died out, and there was no one to take care of his burial. The reuse of the tomb for Raemkai was most likely carried out by order of the pharaoh and around XNUMX BC. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

And even "Cleopatra's Needle" was the first to describe ...


And here is what he wrote about hieroglyphs:

“At those gates ... there is a wondrous pillar made of a single stone, carved, four-sided, about twelve fathoms in height, and on it letters [letters] are carved in a circle from bottom to top, no one knows what: sabers, bows, fish, human heads, hands, feet, axes, and much is impossible to know, visible and invisible, but they say that some wisdom has been perpetrated. And the other is not far from that, the same is word for word, in quality and quantity, just fell down, lies on its side. "

This pillar is the famous "Cleopatra's Needle", which later turned out to be in London.


And these are the bas-reliefs of its northern wall. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

Sukhanov wrote that

"Before this, no one has been here from Moscow, but only under Tsar Ivan Vasilievich there was an ambassador",

that is, he knew about Pozdnyakov's embassy. But he most likely did not hear anything about Vasily Gagar, since he traveled at his own peril and risk.


Painted figures of the bas-relief of Raemkaya's mastaba. The inscriptions call Raemkaya (the name means "the sun is my life force") "the bodily son of the pharaoh", and he could well be a real prince, although we do not know exactly from which pharaoh he came. His offices were predominantly religious in nature, but one title indicates a connection with coronation ceremonies, indicating that Raemkai was at least sometimes close to the person of the pharaoh. The beautiful reliefs that adorn the tomb include, among other things, scenes of catching birds, cutting meat, baking bread and brewing, as well as a large hunting scene in the steppe with lasso and dogs. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

He also saw the pyramids in the vicinity of Cairo and wrote about them as follows:

"The graves of the ancient pharaohs, worthy of a great miracle ... They are very large, like mountains made, wide from below, and pointed from above."

That is, he did not doubt their purpose. Not that one firefighter from the regional center of Mokshan, Penza region, who somehow in the 90s published an article in one of our regional newspapers, where he argued that the pyramids are “breakwaters from the flood! At the same time, he believed that there were only three of them, in Giza. And about the fact that there are more than 118 pyramids in Egypt ... I did not know!


Stele of the gatekeeper Maati. First interim period. XI dynasty. The era of the reign of Mentuhotep II. OK. 2051–2030 BC e. Maati is depicted sitting in front of the sacrifice table with a vessel for the sacred oil in his left hand. A true masterpiece of the early relief art of the Middle Kingdom. The inscriptions demonstrate the close bond that tied together the rulers and their entourage in Thebes at that time. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

In general, Sukhanov's trip was very useful both for the state and for himself. Because he was then put in charge of the Moscow Printing House - a position at that time very prestigious and responsible.

To be continued ...
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  1. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 29 May 2021 05: 26
    +10
    “Turn your heart to books ...
    Look, there is nothing higher than books! ..
    Even 500 years ago, they understood that education is the basis of everything, he did not say about any gods, but about books, and now, instead of schools, buildings of a religious cult are being built and made of a herd of people.
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 29 May 2021 06: 03
      +15
      I disagree. It is not the church that makes people a flock.
      Conveyor in a broad sense. And the absence of living deeds and living words.
      1. Xlor
        Xlor 29 May 2021 07: 46
        +2
        So this very "lack of living deeds and living words" just turns us into a herd. And these words and deeds should be said and done by the church. And she, the church, is only busy collecting money from believers ...
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 29 May 2021 08: 15
          +9
          There are people in the church too. Different. And there are some very interesting ones. In general, this is a sample of us.
      2. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 29 May 2021 07: 51
        +3
        F. Engels's article "On the history of early Christianity" based on Marxist philosophy. Engels describes Christianity as a religion of slaves in the truest sense of the word - Christianity arose and was popular among the lower classes of society, primarily slaves, and reflected the mood and aspirations of this environment.
        F. Nietzsche's criticism of Christianity, for whom the Christian, the intimidated slave of God and his environment, is opposed to the free Superman.
        I agree with you, slaves should be slaves, and free people, free, and only education can give freedom of thought.
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 29 May 2021 08: 17
          +9
          Freedom of thinking can give a lot.

          I like the words from the fairy tale "The Wisdom of Cormac":

          “I was silent in the crowd,
          I spoke with people ... ".
    2. Bar1
      Bar1 29 May 2021 08: 53
      -9
      some kind of skewed consciousness in Shpakovsky: alabaster products are of interest to him, and complex diorite products, which are abundant in Egyptian museums, he does not mention in his articles, it is as if the fisherman only caught minnows and threw pike perch and asp back into the river.
      -Petit stripped down, some kind, a piece was ripped out and presented here.
      Who were the rulers of Egypt? From the 13th century Egypt was ruled by the Mamelukes. I have already cited photos of the Mamelukes and they are quite white people who are very similar to the Russians.



      But then why on all sorts of frescoes and sculptures (some) we see the half-Negroid rulers of Egypt? Probably because these are English forgeries.
      But the ears of Memnon with broken faces, why are the faces of these statues broken? Is it because these were the faces of Russian people (I will not say Europeans: this definition does not correspond to reality)



      a little philology.
      Everyone knows such an ornamental houseplant Aloe. The habitat is south, Mediterranean i.e. those lands on which, according to the OI, there have never been Russians. But what is scarlet?
      -Scarlet-scarlet plant with red / scarlet flowers, as well as at some moments due to lack of moisture, the green aloe leaves look like this.



      Well, in what language is this plant named? Latin? Nonsense.
      -Nile river, this is silt-in Russian.
      Actually, the peculiarities of the Nile River are the annual floods of the river during periods of rains with the removal of fertile silt to the banks, hence the name.
      There is also the Ili river in Kazakhstan, this is also from silt, a muddy river - all in Russian.
      1. Bar1
        Bar1 29 May 2021 09: 15
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        on this site an honest person cannot have many advantages. Here, pluses (massively, like minuses) are put not for the truth, but for the position: you will be on the side of the "true correct ideology" and you will walk in virtual generals. But the more pluses here, the more brains are plus / shy.
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 29 May 2021 10: 02
          +10
          So gracefully no one called me a stupid, lying scoundrel for a long time! good
          1. Bar1
            Bar1 29 May 2021 10: 22
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            Quote: 3x3zsave
            So gracefully no one called me a stupid, lying scoundrel for a long time! good

            and you read your own posts and see that this is true.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 29 May 2021 10: 37
              +10
              And, of course, you consider your opinion about other people the only criterion of truth?
              1. Bar1
                Bar1 29 May 2021 10: 52
                -5
                Quote: 3x3zsave
                And, of course, you consider your opinion about other people the only criterion of truth?


                There are two concepts in history, one is OI, the other is NH. I am of the opinion that history was different.
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 29 May 2021 18: 57
                  +6
                  History in this case has nothing to do with it. You accused me of meanness, stupidity and lies. Note, in public. I hope you have good reason for this.
                  1. Bar1
                    Bar1 29 May 2021 19: 22
                    -4
                    Quote: 3x3zsave
                    History in this case has nothing to do with it. You accused me of meanness, stupidity and lies. Note, in public. I hope you have good reason for this.


                    the first time I see on this forum that someone was offended by the attempt on his honor.
                    But I'm right, you are always on the sidelines, you do not participate in discussions on the topic, but there is a lot of unnecessary chatter, the story does not interest you, but something else, your presence is called flooding the topic (from the word fleet - to float) in Russian it is called differently.
                    What would we say to look for something valuable in discussions, you need to wade through the veil of your abstract reasoning, that is, you simply prevent others from talking on the topic. Is that good? No, it's not decent.
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 29 May 2021 20: 11
                      +5
                      for the first time I see on this forum that someone was offended about an attempt on his honor
                      Dear colleague, you are inattentive. The author of this article has more than once suggested that opponents go to court with a claim "for the protection of honor and dignity."
                      As for me personally ... You are exaggerating your role in my mind too much. To offend me - you need to try. And this is clearly not your path!
                      1. Bar1
                        Bar1 29 May 2021 22: 09
                        -2
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        To offend me - you need to try. And this is clearly not your path


                        that's for sure, but I still doubted that you can't shove in something unpushy.
                      2. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 29 May 2021 22: 29
                        +3
                        Do not hesitate. Six months ago I announced to you that I am convinced of positions that are opposite to your worldview. At the same time, he was polite and correct. And even now I maintain the "status quo".
                2. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 29 May 2021 21: 44
                  +3
                  You accused me of meanness, stupidity and lies. Note, in public. I hope you have good reason for this.

                  I know much more of your faults, but you are my friend. laughing Therefore, I'll leave the nasty things for later ... wink
                  The author, Vyacheslav Olegovich, is "modest, but interesting." Thank you! hi
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 29 May 2021 21: 50
                    +2
                    I hope that the vices listed by my colleague are not included in the list of my shortcomings that you take into account.
                    1. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 29 May 2021 22: 10
                      +3
                      I hope that the vices listed by my colleague are not included in the list of my shortcomings that you take into account.

                      No, those listed are not included. stop Others enter. laughing
            2. Astra wild2
              Astra wild2 29 May 2021 16: 10
              +3
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              And, of course, you consider your opinion about other people the only criterion of truth?

              Not really. There is also: Fomenko, Pyzhikov, Klesov
              1. Bar1
                Bar1 29 May 2021 16: 21
                0
                Quote: Astra wild2
                Not really. There is also: Fomenko, Pyzhikov, Klesov


                Nosovsky said that when Klyosov was invited to the Moscow State University to give a lecture about his DNA genealogy, it turned out that he does not use independent estimates of the dating of the emergence and mutation of his haplogroups, and therefore his "science cannot be considered a science.
                So do not bother everyone in one pile.
                1. Astra wild2
                  Astra wild2 29 May 2021 16: 53
                  +3
                  Was Klesov offended for that?
                  1. Bar1
                    Bar1 29 May 2021 16: 55
                    -1
                    Quote: Astra wild2
                    Was Klesov offended for that?

                    for the fact that he could not create independent dating methods, let him take offense at himself. And we do not need to powder our brains with his "science".
                    1. Astra wild2
                      Astra wild2 29 May 2021 17: 32
                      +1
                      Quote: Bar1
                      Quote: Astra wild2
                      Was Klesov offended for that?

                      for the fact that he could not create independent dating methods, let him take offense at himself. And we do not need to powder our brains with his "science".

                      For this you +. True, his fans won't like it.
    3. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 29 May 2021 09: 15
      +13
      Quote: Bar1
      Well, in what language is this plant named? Latin? Nonsense.

      Especially for firefighters from the district center Mokshan of the Penza region:
      The generic name for aloe goes back to the Greek. ἀλόη, which is derived from Arabic (ألوة / alwa) or Hebrew (אהל / ahal, often mentioned in the text of the Bible). The word is borrowed from Greek into Latin in the form aloë.
      hi
      1. Bar1
        Bar1 29 May 2021 09: 19
        -6
        Quote: A. Privalov
        The ode name of aloe goes back to the Greek. ἀλόη, which is derived from Arabic (ألوة / alwa) or Hebrew (אהל / ahal, h


        Well, can you then translate these Arabic, Greek and Hebrew terms? It's clear from Russian, but how is it?
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 29 May 2021 09: 52
          +12
          Quote: Bar1
          Well, can you then translate these Arabic, Greek and Hebrew terms? It's clear from Russian, but how is it?

          And not how. Not like everyone else.
          The devil only knows when, smart people decided not to translate proper names, place names, etc. At most, they take on a new form.
          The French say Pari and you and I are Paris. The Ukrainian language does not provide for calling Pushkin - Garmatkin (from harmat - cannon).
          Also, one should not get carried away with amateur philology, for too seductive the elevation of the Russians to the Etruscans brings us further to the trusses. Portugal to footcloths, and the legendary leader of the ancient Malays - Stepunaraz, to Stepan Razin.
          1. Bar1
            Bar1 29 May 2021 10: 19
            .
            Quote: A. Privalov
            The devil only knows when, smart people decided not to translate proper names, toponyms and


            yes, no, of course, these "smart" people called linguists (for example, the ever-memorable Zaliznyak with its fake "Novgorod letters" and amateur linguistics) are the same distortions of history as the "primary historians" Manifon and Champollion. If the name of the mountains, rivers exists, for example
            -The Himalayas are Winter Laays, the winter home
            -Altai-Gal / Gali Tai, Gali peaks.
            -Karpaty-Humpbacks
            -Tatra-Tartar mountains
            -Cordillera-Horde mountains
            -England-anti Galia
            -Italy, Antalya, Atlantic-anti Thalia -stretched peninsula, ocean.
            -Pamir-Roof of the World and it is quite official, i.e. This is the World, and the world is in Russian.
            -Ganges / Tagan / Neglinka - i.e. gan from the word drive, it is quite Russian.

            As for Pushkin-Garmatov, this is nonsense, it is not the Ukrainians who say this, but independent, undercut Ukrainian linguists, and you should not repeat this nonsense behind them.

            The fact that after the conquest or seizure of the World by Christians, a massive rewriting of history took place along with the creation of new peoples and new languages ​​for them, this is already obvious and can be seen first of all by the example of this new "Ukraine", which is emerging before our eyes, the Jews are at the head of the new Ukraine, and not Slavs, and so it was everywhere, that is. Ukraine is a Jewish state, and Europe is the Jewish part of the world with Europeans / Jews, it is also obvious.
            The distortion of the true meaning of words by Christians is observed everywhere.
            -Bar-mess
            -Barbarya is the entire north and east of Africa -varvaria
            -Kolo / Sun-cal
            -Gan_don-Don River, became a condom.
            -Portulia-Gali Port
            - Etruscans are Russian
            and this was proved in the 19th century by scientists linguists Chertkov, Volansky, ie Etruscan texts that have come down to us are read in Slavic, why are these types of official "historians" not taking this into account?
            -Orde-order in medicine has become ordinary, i.e. simplified.
            -Khanna-name from Khan became faceless Anna
            -Elena-Helena / Helena -from Galia
            -Paris - originally this city was called Lutetia Parisian, according to the OI it was built by the Gali, but the very name Lutetia from the Slavic tribe of Lutichi says that the city was built by the Slavs, but like the French distorted everything, some kind of stupid bet.

            I call these words vulgarity.
            1. BAI
              BAI 29 May 2021 11: 29
              +7
              And then how to translate the name of the Russian rivers Sablya and Voblya?
              By the way, linguists conduct just normal research:
              It is also interesting that in modern Syria there are about a dozen names of the area in which Russians are mentioned. For example, in Aleppo: خربة الروس (Khirbat ar Rūs) and رأس الروس (Ra's ar Rūs). In Damascus: تلول الروس (Tulūl ar Rūs) and ظهور الروس (Z̧uhūr ar Rūs). In Homs: الروس تلال بين (Tilāl Bayn ar Rūs). In Al-Hasakah: وادي أم الروس (Wādī Umm ar Rūs).

              A series of similar toponyms located near the runway of the famous Khmeimim airbase (Basil Al-Assad airport) is also very curious. There we see the hill قلعة الروس (Qal'at ar Rūs). Which literally means "Russian fortress". And that, in turn, stands on the bank of the river نهر الروس (Nahr ar Rūs) literally “The River of Russians”, behind the mouth of this river there is a sea bay called ميناء الروس (Mina 'ar Rūs) Literally “Russian port”. All these names in this area appeared long before the beginning of the modern presence of the Russian military there.

              Here we will refrain from asserting who exactly these Russians were.
              1. Bar1
                Bar1 29 May 2021 12: 03
                -7
                Quote: BAI
                And then how to translate the name of the Russian rivers Sablya and Voblya?


                I do not know this, but in the village of America there is such a Yucatan peninsula, and so in the 17th century it was called LUKATAN, and in shape it just resembles a curved bow.

                forgot
                -Jerusalem
                -Rashid Rasid to the port of Egypt.
                -Raka-Race in Iraq.
                the letter c in Latin turns into the letter k, this is done on purpose.
                1. Hantengri
                  Hantengri 29 May 2021 12: 56
                  +8
                  Quote: Bar1
                  forgot
                  -Jerusalem

                  Now everything is clear! The word Jerusalem comes from a typical Uzbek exclamation: "Iye ?! Urus Alim ?!", which in translation means: "Wow! But Alim turns out to be Russian!" wassat
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 29 May 2021 17: 27
                    +4
                    Quote: HanTengri
                    Quote: Bar1
                    forgot
                    -Jerusalem

                    Now everything is clear! The word Jerusalem comes from a typical Uzbek exclamation: "Iye ?! Urus Alim ?!", which in translation means: "Wow! But Alim turns out to be Russian!" wassat

                    laughing good
                    Irushalaym, literal translation - Founded by Shalem, the Canaanite god of Sunset. Jerusalem became thanks to the Greeks, who have no sound Ш.
                    1. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 29 May 2021 21: 48
                      +3
                      Irushalaym

                      In a white cloak with a red lining ... my friend Anton 3x3zsave was walking, and behind him was the kindest man - the giant Mark Rat-Slayer ... lol drinks
                    2. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 30 May 2021 08: 04
                      0
                      Greetings, hegemon! hi
              2. kalibr
                30 May 2021 18: 05
                +4
                Quote: Bar1
                LUKATAN

                Do you know what it was called in the Maya language?
            2. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 29 May 2021 21: 46
              +6
              translate the name of Russian rivers <....> Voblya?

              Astonishment at the failure of some prince? belay Is the bream off the hook? drinks
            3. Maki Avellevich
              Maki Avellevich 30 May 2021 10: 04
              +3
              Quote: BAI
              For example, in Aleppo: خربة الروس (Khirbat ar Rūs) and رأس الروس (Ra's ar Rūs). In Damascus: تلول الروس (Tulūl ar Rūs) and ظهور الروس (Z̧uhūr ar Rūs). In Homs: الروس تلال بين (Tilāl Bayn ar Rūs). In Al-Hasakah: وادي أم الروس (Wādī Umm ar Rūs).

              fear Gd.
              RAS in Arabic it is a head. from here the upland gets the PAC supplement.
              there is a district in Jerusalem, ראס אל-עמוד, Ras el Amud. Russian settlement in your opinion?
              lol
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 1 June 2021 04: 08
                0
                Russian pillar, probably laughing
                But in fact, the Arabs call the Russian Compound of Jerusalem Moskabie - from Moscow))
            4. Konnick
              Konnick 31 May 2021 10: 45
              0
              And then how to translate the name of the Russian rivers Sablya and Voblya?

              And there are also rivers Ublya in the Belgorod region and Transcarpathia. It is difficult to translate hydronyms with an age of several millennia. But many rivers are translated in Sanskrit. And about Sabl there is a Shpaga village in the Nizhny Novgorod region.
              And if on the merits of the question, then I will say, from the experience of communicating with the Arabs during my studies, I will say that for them the Russian language is quite easy, they quickly learn it in comparison with the same Germans or Anglo-Saxons.
          2. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 29 May 2021 11: 45
            +16
            Quote: Bar1
            I call these words vulgarity.

            In truth, the hand of the giver will not fail!
            Well, what a genetic fluctuation has occurred, that such a person as Bar - the Bar Bringing Knowledge was born. laughing
            Thank you, you made my day for today. It has been a long time since I laughed like that, I even wanted to continue your series of revelations, but I decided that this kind of humor would be enough for my colleagues today.
            I will only note the versatility and unpredictability of the Russian language, in which, it turns out, there are many completely different words denoting the same thing.
            For example:
            lai - house
            tai - tops
            liers are mountains, I believe that liers is a mountain.
            "constricted peninsula" and "ocean" are denoted by the same word
            pa - roof
            and the name "Neglinka" does not come from the word "clay" but from the word "gang", that is, "to drive."
            I would venture to suggest that the word "", that is, "pa-gang", in real Russian means a hijacked (moved down) roof. laughing
            It would be necessary to compile a complete dictionary of the Russian (sorry, Russian) language. However, it already turns out gorgeous. Check it out:
            Tae liers - barks with pa.

            I wrote this in pure Russian (Russian, of course) on the "top of the mountain - a house with a roof."
            No, well, really, that's fine. laughing
            1. Bar1
              Bar1 29 May 2021 12: 13
              -6
              Quote: Trilobite Master
              lai - house


              the oishniks could not leave the name as it is, it was imperative to distort it, but the essence remained
              -gima is winter in Russia.
              - ruble - ruble
              Quote: Trilobite Master
              the name "Neglinka" does not come from the word "clay"


              not correct Neglinka is one of the names of this river means
              -Neglinka-not_galinka
              those. earlier, apparently, this river was called the Gali river
              -Zhiguli -zhi / se guli is the Gali coast.
              -Caspian, Khvalynskoye, Bachye sea -Kazatsky, Gali and Bachye, i.e. the visible sea, from here Baku.
              -Azov-for_Bachye.
              Well, the Volga itself, which does not have a clear etymology, on the contrary, will also be the Gali river, and so will Valhala.

              Quote: Trilobite Master
              pa - roof


              The Pamir is the Roof of the World - this is the official etymology.
              1. Trilobite Master
                Trilobite Master 29 May 2021 13: 33
                +13
                Quote: Bar1
                Gima is winter in Russia

                Well, that's understandable. In winter, it is difficult to dig the earth, therefore hard work is called "gima-roy".
                But there are disagreements with your colleagues abroad.
                The British say that the Volga - from the English word "wall" - a wall. And on this basis, they believe that all of Eurasia belonged to them.
                The Germans say that the name "Caspian" comes from the German Katze-piste - a cat's road and also on this basis they believe that the whole world was German.
                And the French claim that when their civilized ancestors first came to the territory of the Slavs to carry culture and enlightenment, they found only one swamps with reeds (in French "reeds" - roseaux) and named their new possessions after these reeds. So all of Russia is just French reeds.
                What do you think? Parry! laughing
                1. Bar1
                  Bar1 29 May 2021 15: 57
                  -7
                  Quote: Trilobite Master
                  The British say that the Volga - from the English word "wall" - a wall.


                  when nonsense is not from the head, but from the trilobite (there is no head there), then there is absolutely no such category as meaning, as a concept.
                  Where is the Volga River and where are the British? How are they related to the Volga? Even the Germans on the Volga were not not like the Angles. And where is the letter g in the word ox, what would the Volga have turned out? And in general, the very meaning of the word ox is a shaft, and the shaft that is piled from above and to the river has the same relation as a trilobite to an elephant, even if a bunch of trilobites is piled, the elephant will not work.

                  Quote: Trilobite Master
                  German Katze-piste - cat's road and


                  cats have no roads, the cat walks by itself, so this example does not fit.

                  Quote: Trilobite Master
                  And the French claim that when their civilized ancestors first came to the territory of the Slavs to carry culture and enlightenment, they found only one swamp with reeds (in French "reeds" - roseaux) and


                  is that Lutetia of Paris, a city that "belongs to the whole world" is there reeds? You come across some completely stupid English, Germans and French.

                  By the way, in the topic "In Search of Sunken Cities" I again answered you for the conversation about St. George's Day, you somehow pretended that nothing had happened, although they were rude in absentia.
                  1. Trilobite Master
                    Trilobite Master 29 May 2021 18: 05
                    +7
                    Shaved, not directly into the eyebrow, but into the eye. laughing
                    Arguably, competently, clearly ... I'm just not overjoyed at you. wassat
                    Quote: Bar1
                    the cat walks by itself

                    How does it feel? Iron. laughing Old Kipling (by the way, how is he Russian?) Gratefully applauds you in the next world.
                    Quote: Bar1
                    Parisian lutetia - a city that "belongs to the whole world" there are reeds?

                    I am delighted with the flight of your thoughts. There is nothing to object. request
                    Quote: Bar1
                    Where is the Volga River and where are the British?

                    Indeed, where? Russians and Roussillon are completely different. laughing
                    Regarding St. George's Day - go back to that old discussion, read. Everything is written and laid out there.
                  2. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 29 May 2021 21: 50
                    +3
                    Shaved, not directly into the eyebrow, but into the eye.

                    And how is contemplation with a shaved eye? Perception has not fallen? Is the picture clear, Mikhail? tongue
                  3. Trilobite Master
                    Trilobite Master 29 May 2021 22: 17
                    +2
                    Answered in the mail
          3. Phil77
            Phil77 29 May 2021 19: 06
            +6
            Dear Pavel! Respecting, but not sharing your position, I cannot pass by Neglinka Well, what is the Gali river? Do you know that this river bore another name - Samoteka? bully
            1. Bar1
              Bar1 29 May 2021 19: 31
              -4
              Quote: Phil77
              Do you know that this river had another name - Samoteka


              the fact that the river is flowing by itself, don't you find it corny?
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 29 May 2021 19: 51
                +4
                No, I don’t find it, it’s quite a sounding name.
          4. Maki Avellevich
            Maki Avellevich 1 June 2021 06: 43
            0
            Quote: Bar1
            Valhala is also there.

            this stream of thought and vases should smoothly lead to the shores of the interpretation of the names of Odin's wolves - Greeks and Freki.
            and also his ravens - Hugin and Munin.

            Well, with the Greeks, everything is clear. this wolf is a bull by a Greek. Freki may have been a franc.
            help only deal with the crows. I don't take it myself
      2. Hantengri
        Hantengri 29 May 2021 12: 30
        +6
        Quote: Bar1
        -England-anti Galia
        -Italy, Antalya, Atlantic-anti Thalia -stretched peninsula, ocean.

        Halturite, Bar. It is not good to pass off any foreign language as Russian words. "Anti" (αντι) - the Greeks imposed on us, in order to spoil our Great and Mighty. And with our primordial ones: "against", "contrary to" and "against" England will not be able to turn into a counter to Galia, and Antalya with the Atlantic to oppose Thalia.
        So that: more thoroughly it is necessary to conduct "research", more thoroughly. laughing
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 29 May 2021 13: 00
          -5
          Quote: HanTengri
          "Anti" (αντι) - the Greeks imposed on us, in order to spoil our Great and Mighty.


          I have already cited an image from the church of St. Sophia in Tsar-grad, there were Christ, Constantine and Zoya, and so Zoya had a book in her hand and it was written there
          -Zoe neuse vestati augusta.

          neuse and vestati - in Russian, but Augusta seems to be, if not in Russian, and maybe also in Russian, just forgot this word already?
          Nobody is engaged in serious historical research, but only makes sure that the constructed concept does not collapse.
          1. Maki Avellevich
            Maki Avellevich 30 May 2021 10: 10
            +1
            My uncle is the most honest rules,
            When not a joke fell ill,
            He respected himself forced
            And he could not have invented it better.
            His example is the other science;
            But, my God, what a bore
            With a sick person, sit day and night,
            Do not step away a single step away!
            What a low cunning
            Half-dead amuse
    4. vladcub
      vladcub 29 May 2021 18: 00
      +3
      "smart people decided not to translate proper names" out of harm: someone has a name: "the son of my right hand"
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 29 May 2021 10: 17
    +3
    "Silty river, this is also from silt" looked at Vika: "presumably from Mongolian:" Ilunus "- flickering tsu
    1. Bar1
      Bar1 29 May 2021 10: 33
      -6
      Quote: Astra wild2
      Ilunus "- flickering tsu


      tsu, tsu ...
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 29 May 2021 18: 01
        +2
        There is such a word: "typo"
    2. BAI
      BAI 29 May 2021 11: 39
      +7
      presumably from Mongolian: "Ilunus"

      Where is Egypt and where is Mongolia? When the ancient Egyptian civilization flourished, no one suspected the existence of the Mongols, and the river already had a name.
  • Senior seaman
    Senior seaman 29 May 2021 10: 44
    +17
    Quote: Bar1
    Well, in what language is this plant named? Latin?

    That's what it is. Moss "cuckoo flax" in Latin - "pollitrichum communis". Well, it is clear that this name comes from the ancient Russian communists who loved to put on the collar!
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 29 May 2021 11: 33
      +7
      So they remember him at first - "half a liter per commune."
      And the marsh cinquefoil - "a mosquito on the chandelier."
      1. Senior seaman
        Senior seaman 29 May 2021 11: 36
        +10
        I answered so on the exam :)))
    2. Phil77
      Phil77 29 May 2021 19: 09
      +6
      Rather smoke something. laughing
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 29 May 2021 11: 30
    +6
    The generic name for aloe is from the Greek. And even earlier - from Arabic. There are a lot of species.

    It is no coincidence, in everyday life, we call him an agave - this is quite our way.
  • Maki Avellevich
    Maki Avellevich 30 May 2021 09: 55
    0
    Quote: Bar1
    -Nile river, this is silt-in Russian.

    It’s whistled, I don’t argue, ”Koroviev remarked condescendingly,“ it is really whistled, but, speaking impartially, it is whistled very average! ”

    end with semilengvistic folklore.
  • Kayuk
    Kayuk 7 July 2021 16: 23
    0
    Well done, I support!
  • vladcub
    vladcub 29 May 2021 12: 30
    +4
    "turn your heart to books" then they read books, but now young people do not read books.
    That there are young people, we are adults, and from time to time we carry such nonsense that we are amazed. And why? We are too lazy to read
  • tlauicol
    tlauicol 29 May 2021 05: 34
    +6
    Great, Vyacheslav! And very entertaining! I've just started to read a series of Russian civil society about travelers, I've already mastered a dozen or more books, but I've never met these names.
    And Gagara privately "walked", it turns out?
  • Babay Atasovich
    Babay Atasovich 29 May 2021 05: 47
    +6
    Interestingly, and the ancient "Volga" in "Ra" was renamed on the basis of the first unknown travels to Egypt or the Egyptians renamed their "Volga" to "Ra" on the basis of their unknown travels to Russia? lol
  • Van 16
    Van 16 29 May 2021 05: 56
    +9
    "In the Nile River, he saw a crocodile"

    "The crocodile is a beast that loves people the truth, and when it is true, it cries with huge tears, but the truth does not stop."
    (C) where - I don't remember smile
    1. Trilobite Master
      Trilobite Master 29 May 2021 12: 02
      +8
      Korkodil is an aquatic beast, always having a man of yasti, weeps and sobs, but yasti never ceases
      ABC of the late XVI
      Korkodil is a great beast, but a fish is also a fish from head to tail, its legs are four and its tail is great and sharp, and its ridge is one bone, like black stone and zoo-sharpened like thorns, like sawing teeth, when it turns blue, there is a whole ousta
      Annals of George the Monk
      Korkodil animal. Imat head basiliskovu. And the ridge of his aki is a comb, and the trunk of serpents, and when he tears the head of the body off, it is in vain crying on it. The trunk beats on them is angry. And always zinet, then the whole mouth is

      And here's another picture:

      The text in the picture must be read, at least the first line. smile
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 29 May 2021 12: 29
        +6
        Whoever has a pig as an assistant will win.
        1. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 29 May 2021 13: 39
          +6
          What is a pig? With such a pig, I too will run whoever you want. Victory. I will win. In short, nothing shines for the corcodil. laughing
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 29 May 2021 14: 48
            +7
            Almost Borrowing: The Murlocats and His Guard Cow.
            1. Trilobite Master
              Trilobite Master 29 May 2021 14: 58
              +7
              Hit the bull's-eye and get out of here.

              smile
              My wife immediately recognized the pig in the vehicle. How? She did not even see the hoof, she immediately said - a scandalous woman on a pig. request
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 29 May 2021 15: 15
                +6
                A crocodile with a squirrel tail is no less interesting.
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 29 May 2021 15: 32
                  +6
                  And the woman seems to have a cold weapon in her belt and something incomprehensible in her hands.
                  1. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 29 May 2021 15: 47
                    +7
                    With a stick - it's clear. Although the pig had a bite with its teeth. Does the crocodile help? But something like a spindle requires interpretation.
                    Did you disassemble the helicopter nearby for parts?
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 29 May 2021 16: 05
                      +5
                      Did you disassemble the helicopter nearby for parts?


                      Well, if only that. smile
                      1. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 29 May 2021 16: 06
                        +5
                        Here. Flies to help.
                      2. Catfish
                        Catfish 29 May 2021 16: 25
                        +6
                        Down here Bar is saying something about some Swiverland, to be honest, I somehow don't know. Look, he has a photo there with Adolf and Goebbels.
                      3. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 29 May 2021 16: 51
                        +6
                        “Ah, it's not difficult to deceive me.
                        I myself am glad to be deceived ”(c).

                        The dispute can have at least some meaning if it is with fiction, eloquence, hypotheses, felting vanka.
                      4. Catfish
                        Catfish 29 May 2021 17: 05
                        +9
                        I have no dispute with him, what could be a dispute with a Jew-phobe?
                      5. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 29 May 2021 17: 54
                        +6
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        I have no dispute with him, what could be a dispute with a Jew-phobe?

                        Yes, anti-Semitism is not a person's greatest misfortune ... repeat
                      6. Catfish
                        Catfish 29 May 2021 18: 33
                        +8
                        I agree that congenital dullness is much worse, but all such phobias stem from it. yes

                        Hi Albert! hi
                      7. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 29 May 2021 18: 44
                        +4
                        Greetings, Constantine! hi
                        Well, there are also congenital abnormalities. yes
                      8. Catfish
                        Catfish 29 May 2021 18: 54
                        +6
                        In my opinion, stupidity is just one of the deviations. laughing
                      9. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 29 May 2021 19: 10
                        +5
                        The consequence of drunken conception, collection of aspen mushrooms on the territory of storage of nuclear waste, youthful passion for the Clay-Moment ... yes
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 29 May 2021 17: 52
    +3
    Quote: Sea Cat
    And the woman seems to have a cold weapon in her belt and something incomprehensible in her hands.

    Doubledildo. yes
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 29 May 2021 18: 35
      +5
      Yeah, I found a clay didlo in the Egyptian tomb of some pharaoh. laughing
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 29 May 2021 18: 47
        +6
        No, the ancestors-founders of the ancient Aryan-Old Slavic cult of Kama handed it to her in the morning. Made from birch on the banks of the sacred river Ganges of Tartary. repeat
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 29 May 2021 18: 56
        +4
        I heard about birch colas, and about the method of their use, too, but somehow I never heard about this device in this design.
      3. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 29 May 2021 19: 08
        +4
        We lost our cultural Aryan heritage because of the Anglo-Saxons and Reptilians negative
  • Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 29 May 2021 18: 48
    +5
    How how? Dibildo? what
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 29 May 2021 18: 54
      +4
      Doble Vereteno - two-ohalnik, in Slayano-Aryan hi
    2. Trilobite Master
      Trilobite Master 29 May 2021 19: 45
      +5
      Yes, if you can scare a true reptilian with something, then only this ...
    3. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 29 May 2021 20: 14
      +3
      She also stuck out her tongue - before the fight, the horse version of Khaki is dancing
    4. Korsar4
      Korsar4 30 May 2021 01: 49
      +2
      Did the Maori also teach our hake?
    5. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 30 May 2021 10: 17
      0
      Maori - Derived from Rus Sea fellow
    6. Korsar4
      Korsar4 30 May 2021 11: 04
      +2
      Confirmation to look for in tattoos and elbow feeling during khaki performance.
    7. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 30 May 2021 11: 30
      +1
      Tattoos in Spavian-Aryan Sanskrit!
  • Catfish
    Catfish 29 May 2021 20: 22
    +3
    ... dildo ...


    It reminded me vaguely. laughing
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 29 May 2021 20: 34
      +1
      Dildo dodo
      Dildo Margalodo
      Wah! fellow
    2. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 29 May 2021 21: 58
      +4
      It reminded me vaguely.

      By the way, yes. good I also have such associations with this word. After the helicopter - the most difficult mission. yes Tomi Vercetti against everyone! fellow
    3. Catfish
      Catfish 29 May 2021 22: 06
      +3
      Vo-Vo, and an advertisement for Dildo in the next GTA San Andreas hangs on every corner.
    4. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 29 May 2021 22: 11
      +4
      Vo-Vo, and an advertisement for Dildo in the next GTA San Andreas hangs on every corner.

      Everything was more cultured in Vice City ... There was a showdown between serious people, and not between niggas because of the color of the pants. request
    5. Catfish
      Catfish 29 May 2021 22: 55
      +4
      Yes, the City of Vice was a favorite game at one time. smile
    6. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 30 May 2021 01: 14
      +4
      Yes, the City of Vice was a favorite game at one time.

      Iconic, Uncle Kostya! But for me, she was also a treasure trove of music unknown to the domestic listener of the 80s ... Romance, sir!
      On "Flash FM" they played this:


      But in the 80s, it seems to me, the most interesting is this cover for the fourth album "Depeche Mods", even though their songs in "Vice City" did not sound .. Rate it!

    7. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 30 May 2021 01: 44
      +4
      Yes, the City of Vice was a favorite game at one time.

      In general, this video is the best about the 80s. From 4.00 am, under Bon Jovi, it goes especially well. good It's a pity that Yamal didn't catch up ... And he had an ice case - everyone would be lucky there! angry
    8. Catfish
      Catfish 30 May 2021 15: 53
      +2
      For me, before the appearance of the first "Stalker" there were three games in general: "Mafia" (of course the first), "Vice City" and "Fair Edge" (also, of course, the first from Kraitek).
    9. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 31 May 2021 09: 13
      +3
      "Mafia" (of course the first), "Vice City" and "Fair Edge" (also, of course, the first from Kraitek).

      I did not try the first, the second and third - I passed. "Far Edge" - in general for its time was magic in reality. good
    10. Catfish
      Catfish 31 May 2021 15: 16
      +1
      "Far Edge" - in general for its time was magic in reality


      It is precisely said, the water there is such that I wanted to swim right away. smile
    11. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 31 May 2021 15: 47
      +1
      It is precisely said, the water there is such that I wanted to swim right away.

      In the third mission (at least in the promotional episode), the Zavorui hung a large, caught shark on the dock! wink Yes, and it is generally not recommended to walk in the forests there - the animals escaped from the zoo. laughing Uncle Kostya, you urge me to download it again! drinks
    12. Catfish
      Catfish 31 May 2021 15: 59
      +1
      I will answer you in a personal.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 29 May 2021 19: 08
    +6
    and something incomprehensible in the hands.
    Dumbbell. The woman is engaged in fitness and show jumping.
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 30 May 2021 01: 26
      +4
      Dumbbell. The woman is engaged in fitness and show jumping.

      Really. I could do boxing and wear size 54 galoshes. Really striped? laughing
  • Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 29 May 2021 15: 32
    +9
    Somehow I came across a selection of medieval images of animals exotic for Europe. The authors clearly worked according to the "verbal portrait". Sometimes such a waste comes across ...
    You look at this and somehow immediately trust in medieval maps disappears - they were also drawn from stories ...
    Quote: Korsar4
    Crocodile with a squirrel tail

    And the red beard of this "Corcodile" does not impress you? laughing
    Maybe this is our ancient ancestor - beard Arius?
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 29 May 2021 15: 44
      +8
      Impressive. He just robbed the Pharaoh. And he uses it shamelessly.
    2. Korsar4
      Korsar4 29 May 2021 15: 48
      +7
      Buffon's description of animals is absolutely wonderful.
    3. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 29 May 2021 17: 55
      +4
      On the contrary - the master Kuni from Asgard of Irian goes to defeat the reptilian. repeat
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 29 May 2021 18: 13
        +7
        And the reptilian disguises itself as a beard Aria. And he says like: "Stape, bro, your own ..." Well, now everything is clear. laughing
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 29 May 2021 18: 36
          +3
          Right! BorodArius - that's where Borodino came from fellow ))
        2. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 29 May 2021 18: 50
          +4
          As a researcher, I am concerned about another question.
          Written in a pig with a pestle. What does "with pestle" mean? Will she give out pesto to everyone? smile
        3. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 29 May 2021 18: 59
          +4
          Pestles, pestules and pesticides fellow
        4. Catfish
          Catfish 29 May 2021 19: 19
          +5
          Sipulki - see "Sipule sipulki", further see. Sipulation .
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 29 May 2021 19: 11
    +6
    You look at this and somehow immediately trust in medieval maps disappears
    Controversial. Atlas Catalan is quite adequate.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 29 May 2021 19: 04
    +6
    "Miracle-yuda, I will win anyway" (C)
  • Van 16
    Van 16 29 May 2021 13: 38
    +4
    Thank you! hi
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 29 May 2021 16: 19
    +4
    Something like this: "Baba Yaga eats with a crocodile to fight a pig"
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 29 May 2021 17: 51
    +2
    Aha Baba bastard, mischievous and bark fellow
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 29 May 2021 06: 01
    +7
    Thank you. For some reason, the first thing Leskov remembered was “Father Strofokamil” from “Pechersk Antiques”.

    And the biography of Arseny Sukhanov liked autumn - people are always with a craving for languages. So is the techie. As with other inclinations.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 29 May 2021 07: 27
    +9
    So trampled paths for Russian tourists smile, the first guidebooks were compiled.
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 29 May 2021 14: 52
      +5
      Lesh, hello. But, you are right: that Korobeinikov will write like:
      -In the light, here's a miracle:
      An island on the sea lies
      Grad on the island is
      Gold-domed churches.
      With towers and gardens "
      And Saltan wanted to see this miracle himself.
      If I were in Guidon's place, I would pay those merchants. And what Guidon will pay the merchants, say: 10 hryvnias, and Saltan and his retinue will leave on that island, 100 hryvnias. Direct benefit
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 29 May 2021 16: 30
        +3
        Vladkub forgot that Saltan was invited by Guidon, which means that the reception falls on Guidon's budget.
        1. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 29 May 2021 18: 16
          +5
          Saltan will arrive with gifts, and his retinue will leave much more in local taverns and brothels than they will drink and eat in the palace.
          1. Astra wild2
            Astra wild2 30 May 2021 13: 37
            0
            Quote: Trilobite Master
            Saltan will arrive with gifts, and his retinue will leave much more in local taverns and brothels than they will drink and eat in the palace.

            So Guidon hasn't ruined the budget very much? You put me at ease
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 29 May 2021 07: 29
    +3
    That is, how did they learn about Egypt in Russia? Who are Russians and when first time in this country? And what written compositions did he leave behind for us?

    Eastern Embassy of Ivan the Terrible
    And it was so that none other than Tsar Ivan the Terrible sent an embassy to the Middle East,


    It all started much earlier: in Russia they were extremely developed pilgrimages to the Holy Land bordering Egypt, and they began already in early days of Russian Christianity, i.e. from the 10-11 centuries, and reached the peak by the 12th century (then there was a decline).

    Whole squads of pilgrims went out and, of course, they brought information about the Middle East.

    The same mentioned by the author Vasily Gagara was not a traveler, but a pilgrim, who made a vow to make a pilgrimage to Jerusalem after the early death of his wife and setbacks.

    В Jerusalem attended a reception with Metropolitan Athanasius of Bethlehem.

    20 декабря 1635 года arrived in Egypt, where he met with the Alexandrian patriarch Gerasim Spartaliot and received from him a letter to Tsar Mikhail Fedorovich. In Cairo and its environs, he examined Christian antiquities and the pyramids of the pharaohs, visited the Nile River.
  • ee2100
    ee2100 29 May 2021 08: 47
    +6
    "German professor Witte considered the Egyptian obelisks" creations of nature ", and the hieroglyphs carved on them the result of" work "... of special snails." (c)
    Hopefully not a historian. am
  • Undecim
    Undecim 29 May 2021 09: 22
    +12
    That is, how did they learn about Egypt in Russia? Who are Russians and when did they visit this country for the first time? And what written compositions did he leave behind for us?

    The first information about Ancient Egypt began to penetrate into Russia with the adoption of Christianity. The biblical books contained historical data not only about Palestine, but also about the peoples,
    faced by Israel and Judea, including the Egyptians. The facts reported by the Bible about the wars between the late Egyptian pharaohs and the late Babylonian kings for Syria and Palestine are very detailed.
    The Byzantine chronicles, to which Russian chroniclers drew attention in connection with the determination of the place of Russia among other countries in world history, became the source of the most diverse information about Egypt in Ancient Rus. Many of these chronicles were translated into Old Russian. The most popular were the ancient chronicles of George Sinkell (VIII century), John Malala (VI century) and George Amartolus (IX century).
    There are no reliable data on Russian visits to Egypt before the XNUMXth century. There are messages
    in the Nikon Chronicle under the year 1001 that Vladimir sent his "guests" as ambassadors
    to some countries, including Egypt, to see their lands and customs, but there is no information confirming this visit.
    The first recorded visit to Egypt was around 1370. During his trip to the Middle East, the pilgrim Agrefeny from Smolensk visited Egypt.
    In his "Walking" among the indications of the distance between different cities
    on its way, one can find measurements of the length of the journey in days to Egypt and inside it between Cairo (Egupta) and Alexandria ("from Jerusalem to Gaza 3 days, from Gaza to Egupta 12 days; from Egupta to Alexandria 6 days ...") ...
    In the early sixties of the XNUMXth century, during his second pilgrimage to
    The Middle East (1461-1462) Egypt was visited by the monk Barsanophius from Kiev (or from near Kiev).
    On the way from Constantinople through Crete and Cyprus, he got to Damiyat (modern Dumyat, Damietta)
    and from there he went up the Nile to the "city of Egupet", that is, to Cairo. In Cairo Varsanophius
    stayed for 6 weeks. During this time, he, no doubt, had a good survey of Cairo and its surroundings.
    But his notes are extremely laconic. Its short, apparently, is interesting
    the first description of Cairo and the Nile in Russian literature:
    level place, under the mountain. A river from paradise flows under it - the golden-jet Nile, and another name
    river Geon. And there are 2 miles across the city and 12 miles in length. " Neil appears to be
    Varsanophius was especially struck, and he once again returns to him, calling him again
    "Golden-jet": "The great river of gold-jet Nile flows from the noon country to
    midnight in the White (ie, Mediterranean - NP) sea near Damiyaty. Varsanophius glimpse
    reports that he saw a "fierce beast", that is, apparently, a crocodile, and is amazed by the date
    palm trees on which, in his words, "the honey of the divia grows." Finally, Varsanofy
    there is the first mention of the pyramids in Russia and the then widespread definition
    their purpose as the granaries of Joseph. For Varsanofy, Old Cairo is "old Misyur".
    He pinpoints the location of the pyramids against this part of the city (“the granaries of Joseph
    Beautiful across the river beyond the Nile opposite the old Misurya ").

    In 1522, the treasurer of the Grand Duke Mikhail Gireyev visited Egypt. He stayed
    in "Egypt, the city of Velitz" is quite long - 40 days. But M. Gireev did not leave his notes
    observations. Only a very small retelling has survived, made by someone else, his
    narratives about contemporary Cairo.
    And after that Pozdnyakov got to Egypt.
    1. Astra wild2
      Astra wild2 29 May 2021 10: 00
      +6
      Viktor Nikolaevich, you, as always, with an interesting commentary.
      On behalf of colleagues and my own, THANKS
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 29 May 2021 09: 55
    +5
    Colleagues, Vyacheslav Olegovich, hello. I read it with great pleasure and learned so many new things
    "German professor Witte considered the Egyptian obelisks" a creation of nature "a clear example of" enlightenment in Germany "
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 29 May 2021 10: 32
      +10
      "German professor Witte considered the Egyptian obelisks" a creation of nature "a clear example of" enlightenment in Germany "

      You are wrong to be ironic about "enlightenment in Germany." Inquire about the history of universal education. As for Karl Witte, who was born in 1800, today such people are called geeks. At the age of ten, he spoke and read fluently in English, French and Italian (in addition to his native German), also spoke ancient Greek and Latin, passed the matriculation exams and entered the University of Göttingen, and at the age of fourteen received his Ph.D. And what he thought about the Egyptian obelisks is a trifle. Great people can indulge in little eccentricities.
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 29 May 2021 13: 44
        +4
        Victor Nikolaevich, not everyone can be like you.
        Thanks to the Site and you, I learned in more than ten years in a year
  • depressant
    depressant 29 May 2021 10: 36
    +6
    And gradually the tradition of visiting Egypt by the inhabitants of the best Russian minds and talents took shape.

    Probably in the previous life
    I stabbed both father and mother,
    If in this one - the God who is present! -
    So shamefully condemned to suffer.
    Every day is mine, like a dead man, calm,
    All things are strangers, not mine,
    Only languor is completely unworthy,
    All platonic love.
    Ah, I would run, hide like a thief,
    To Africa, as before, as then,
    Lie under the royal sycamore tree
    And never to rise.
    The evening will cover me with velvet
    And the moon will clothe in silver
    And maybe the wind won't remember
    That I once served in the bureau.

    Nikolay Gumilyov.

    The search for an answer to the question, what is stable in this world of instability of a separate human life, when Russian history is boiling and ready to swirl in the merciless whirlpools. Anxious foreboding of things to come.
    The great Russian poet, one of the most famous authors of the Silver Age, visited Africa three times. In 1910 he was a tourist and just a traveler. In 1911 he was a correspondent for the Apollo magazine, and in 1913 Gumilyov visited Egypt as the head of a scientific expedition from the Academy of Sciences.
    1. Bar1
      Bar1 29 May 2021 10: 44
      -8
      the Jew Gumilev would be better to read the Russian Tyutchev.

      F.I.Tyutchev. "Russian Geography"

      ***
      Moscow, and the city of Petrov, and Konstantinov grad -
      Here are the kingdoms of the Russian treasured capital ...
      But where is the limit? And where are its boundaries -
      North, east, south and sunset?
      Coming times of fate will reveal them ...
      Seven inland seas and seven great rivers ...
      From the Nile to the Neva, from the Elbe to China,
      From the Volga to the Euphrates, from the Ganges to the Danube ...
      Here is the Russian kingdom ... and will not pass away forever,
      Somehow the Spirit saw and Daniel foretold.
      1848 year
      1. depressant
        depressant 29 May 2021 11: 04
        +6
        Pavel ... I have to understand that it flew in from you, and I should get a handkerchief and wipe it off? ))))
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 29 May 2021 11: 07
          -2
          Quote: depressant
          Pavel ... I have to understand that it flew in from you, and I should get a handkerchief and wipe it off? ))))


          no, no, no, I'm on the topic ...
          1. depressant
            depressant 29 May 2021 11: 11
            +6
            Excuse me, what is YOUR topic?
            1. Bar1
              Bar1 29 May 2021 11: 13
              -6
              Quote: depressant
              Excuse me, what is YOUR topic?


              my theme is to show on facts and my own research that the story was different.
              1. depressant
                depressant 29 May 2021 11: 40
                +8
                And what, then, caused your acute concern about the inception of the blood of the great Russian poet? How does this relate to the problem of history ambiguity? )))
                If you read my comments two years ago in various sections of the VO website, you would know that I am an extreme Russian nationalist. But I am such a woman that I am ready to consider as Russian everyone who considers himself as such - thinks in Russian, considers Russia as his homeland and has made a significant contribution to its culture and science. For example, my idol is the humble and sweet Grigory Yakovlevich Perelman, the great Russian mathematician who recently proved Poincaré's theorem - one of the most important problems of the millennium.
                But if I slightly puzzled you, and it is not in my rules to introduce a person into such a state, then let us both your awkward formulation of the question, and my sharpening of the problem "we will hide it for clarity"))))
                1. Moskovit
                  Moskovit 29 May 2021 12: 13
                  +6
                  It would be necessary to measure the skulls of the poets. Otherwise it's a mess
                  1. Bar1
                    Bar1 29 May 2021 13: 20
                    -7
                    Quote: Moskovit
                    It would be necessary to measure the skulls of the poets. Otherwise it's a mess


                    one glance is enough for me to understand a Russian, a Jew or a cross.
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 29 May 2021 15: 43
                      +11
                      Do you have the same talent for identifying a Jew at a glance as this shot in the photo? Was it inherited?
                      1. Bar1
                        Bar1 29 May 2021 16: 14
                        -4
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        Do you have the same talent for identifying a Jew at a glance as this shot in the photo? Was it inherited?


                        my opinion says that these two geeks who unleashed the world massacre on orders from Swatherland, where gnomes / gomes sit on piles of gold, do not look like true Aryans.

                      2. Catfish
                        Catfish 29 May 2021 16: 23
                        +6
                        And what are you with such frivolous disrespect for your fellow-thinkers? Not good. laughing
                      3. Bar1
                        Bar1 29 May 2021 16: 26
                        -4
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        And what are you with such frivolous disrespect for your fellow-thinkers? Not good

                        my like-minded people, both of my grandfather died in the war, so I'm on the other side, and these are especially the one who loved propaganda / lies more like your type on this forum, the same chatterbox.
                      4. Catfish
                        Catfish 29 May 2021 16: 28
                        +9
                        Well, in terms of chatter, I can't beat you in any case, you here, in this regard, go to the luminaries. yes
                      5. Bar1
                        Bar1 29 May 2021 16: 30
                        -3
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        Well, in terms of chatter, I can't beat you anyway, you are here, in this regard, walk in luminaries


                        and this is said by the one who has 14 thousand type of comments? You should take analyzes according to Manoilov's method for blue blood.
                      6. Catfish
                        Catfish 29 May 2021 17: 13
                        +6
                        Well, blue blood tests and skull measurements are yours and your colleagues from the Third Reich.
              2. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 29 May 2021 18: 29
                +2
                Quote: Bar1



                Hitler, just a typical Austrian)))
              3. Bar1
                Bar1 29 May 2021 18: 54
                -2
                Quote: Krasnodar
                Hitler is just a typical Austrian


                exactly.
                Here is the Chicken Pi manual, performed by two German women and one Austrian woman on the left.

              4. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 29 May 2021 19: 07
                +3
                You will visit Austria, for a start lol
              5. Bar1
                Bar1 29 May 2021 19: 12
                -6
                Quote: Krasnodar
                You will visit Austria, for a start

                and to talk about the pyramids, you must first visit Egypt? We know this point of view, it is not true.
              6. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 29 May 2021 19: 16
                +3
                It doesn't hurt to visit Egypt for a competent reasoning about the pyramids laughing
                Hitler's type is quite common in Austria.
              7. Bar1
                Bar1 29 May 2021 19: 24
                -4
                Quote: Krasnodar
                Hitler's type is quite common in Austria.

                and what am I talking about? In Ukraine today, the same type is in Kiev. laughing
              8. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 29 May 2021 20: 07
                +2
                Well, Kiev and Austria are like a bee united by the name abroad lol
          2. Maki Avellevich
            Maki Avellevich 30 May 2021 14: 44
            +1
            Quote: Bar1
            and to talk about the pyramids, you must first visit Egypt? We know this point of view, it is not true.

            Lao Tzu once said:
            Without leaving the yard, you can learn about the world.

            but it looks like it's not about you.
          3. Bar1
            Bar1 30 May 2021 16: 35
            -1
            Quote: Maki Avellievich
            Lao Tzu once said:
            Without leaving the yard, you can learn about the world.

            but it looks like it's not about you.


            and Shakespeare in Sonnet 13 said, walk Vasya.
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 29 May 2021 17: 27
    +4
    Bar, do you remember who had a racial theory about handicapped people? By the way, for some reason they hunted Jews.
    1. Bar1
      Bar1 29 May 2021 17: 28
      -5
      Quote: Astra wild2
      Bar, do you remember who had a racial theory about handicapped people? By the way, for some reason they hunted Jews.


      some Jews hunted other Jews as a result of the emergence of a Jewish state - this is a game called world history.
    2. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 30 May 2021 17: 02
      0
      Quote: Bar1
      Quote: Astra wild2
      Bar, do you remember who had a racial theory about handicapped people? By the way, for some reason they hunted Jews.


      some Jews hunted other Jews as a result of the emergence of a Jewish state - this is a game called world history.


      SYMPTOMS
      As a rule, at the initial stage, schizophrenia is manifested by a decrease in emotionality in relation to others. Further, the following symptoms appear:

      hallucinations (auditory hallucinations are most common);
      slowness of thinking and movements;
      sharp emotional swings, inadequate reaction to what is happening;
      difficulty concentrating;
      irrational, obsessive fears and beliefs;
      incoherent speech, quick transition from one topic to another, delusional ideas;
      increased excitement, anxiety;


      tormented by vague doubts.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 29 May 2021 18: 04
    +5
    Quote: Bar1
    Quote: Moskovit
    It would be necessary to measure the skulls of the poets. Otherwise it's a mess


    one glance is enough for me to understand a Russian, a Jew or a cross.

    One look where, excuse me? ))
    1. Bar1
      Bar1 29 May 2021 18: 50
      -3
      Quote: Krasnodar
      One look where, excuse me?


      look here.

      https://litresp.ru/chitat/ru/Т/tihomirov-m-v/mi-i-oni-naglyadnoe-nastavlenie-po-viyavleniyu-etnicheskogo-rodstva/1
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 29 May 2021 18: 57
      +3
      After reading the very first lines - Nicolas Cage as an example of a Jew
      Born January 7, 1964 in California, Long Beach. His parents August Floyd Coppola, professor of literature, and Joy Vogelsang, dancer and choreographer, named him Nicholas Kim Coppola. Nicholas has an older brother Christopher Coppola, an American director and producer. He grew up in a Catholic family. Nicholas has Italian roots on his father's side, as well as German and Polish on his mother's side.

      hi
      Maybe you read something normal? Of course, it's not my business, but to say such nonsense ...
    3. Bar1
      Bar1 29 May 2021 19: 26
      -3
      Quote: Krasnodar
      Maybe you read something normal? Of course, it's not my business, but to say such nonsense ...


      What do you think there are no Italian Jews?
    4. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 29 May 2021 20: 12
      +3
      With admixtures of German and Polish, and most importantly, professing Catholicism fellow And in general - the Second World War was a war of German Jews against Polish, French, American and Russian Jews under the leadership of the Georgian Jew Stalin, and the Japanese Jew Hirohito and the Italian Mussolini fought on Hitler's side. lol
  • Hantengri
    Hantengri 29 May 2021 21: 13
    +2
    Quote: Krasnodar
    One look where, excuse me? ))

    No, you can't "go there". So, after all, you can confuse it with an Arab, either with an Uzbek, or with a Tatar, or with some other Muslim. laughing
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 29 May 2021 21: 33
    +1
    He has all one Jews. Well, or a cross laughing
  • Hantengri
    Hantengri 29 May 2021 21: 51
    +2
    What else? In his "instructions", according to the definition of races, he has only Slavic-Rus (I am tormented by vague doubts, is not Samsonov the author? laughing ) and Jews. I sit here and think; Where should I, with my "pyramidal" skull, of Polish-German-Russian-Slovenian-Ukrainian origin, enroll ... In the Slavic-Rus, or in the Jews? wassat
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 30 May 2021 08: 07
    +1
    The brahmins of Asgard of Irian, naturally drinks
  • Moskovit
    Moskovit 30 May 2021 10: 38
    0
    And what does this wonderful skill give you?
  • Maki Avellevich
    Maki Avellevich 30 May 2021 14: 40
    +1
    Quote: Bar1
    one glance is enough for me to understand a Russian, a Jew or a cross.

    very sharp eye. yes you disappear to see prices on the forum.
    you would have to work as a selector during the Second World War.

    Orevoir Shoshanna!
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  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 29 May 2021 11: 36
    +7
    On my bookshelf, the volumes of Tyutchev and Gumilyov are side by side. And they do not quarrel at all.
    1. depressant
      depressant 29 May 2021 11: 56
      +7
      That's it! And Ancient Egypt - it excites everyone with a clear argument in favor of the existence of a foreseeable historical eternity. Centuries passed, followed by millennia, some countries perished, others arose and developed, civilizations replaced each other, even the climate and coastlines of the seas changed, whole cities went under water! And the pyramids and the household items found in them as the results of human labor - here they are! And the main thing is the inscriptions on the steles, which contain not only evidence of the existence of certain rulers, but also wise sayings, which surprisingly turn out to be consonant with our postulates of wisdom. So did not our people go from there?
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 29 May 2021 12: 20
        +6
        I do not know. He's some kind of a stranger. Ancient Greek mythology is close. Egyptian - no.
        I like "Pharaoh" Prus very much. However, his "Doll" is also interesting. So it's probably the author.
        As a child, I liked the book A Letter from a Greek Boy. About papyrus.
        And almost everything. The rest hurt less.
        1. depressant
          depressant 29 May 2021 13: 16
          +6
          Sergei, I'm not talking about that a bit.
          After all, I also thought about the Egyptian burials and came to the conclusion that they are nothing more than "cans" that have preserved to this day the great achievement of mankind - the writing of ancient eras. On steles and scrolls. And the main characters in this whole story were not the pharaohs, but the architects who created these "canned food", as well as the scribes who meticulously recorded the life stories of the pharaohs, their orders, major events, noted scientific and technological achievements, composed literature for the people, in which captured simple but wise thoughts.
          Here, for example:

          The hot-tempered will never know the truth.
          Even the mind of a fool puts up with the truth.
          Good is good when it is true good.
          If you do not correct the evil, it will double.
          Greed is bottomless - you can fall into this abyss endlessly.


          People knew such things even then.
          And it worries me that the contents of the tombs have been taken to museums. Believe it or not, when someone threateningly declares in the news section that on occasion we are walking around Europe, the first thing that comes to my mind is the Louvre and other museums in Europe. And the fact that they zhahnut us - but what about the Hermitage, the Russian Museum, the Tretyakov Gallery, others?
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 29 May 2021 13: 37
            +6
            When icons get into a museum, it is called "museum captivity."
            A strange feeling that the Egyptian halls are somehow out of place.
            1. depressant
              depressant 29 May 2021 13: 52
              +4
              Yes, I love museums, but sometimes there is a feeling of looting. That's right, this is when everything is in place.
          2. Astra wild2
            Astra wild2 29 May 2021 15: 40
            +1
            Lyudmila Yakovlevna, these "rogues" are people of not high culture and are indifferent to them: Louvre or Prada. They may have never been to their local museum. In my youth, I was lucky enough to visit the Hermitage. I didn't have a chance to visit the Russian Museum: it was a day off and we ran to Eliseevsky. There was a funky cake. Already an adult and ate a lot of different things, and that cake still seems to me exceptional
        2. Senior seaman
          Senior seaman 29 May 2021 13: 48
          +5
          Quote: Korsar4
          However, his "Doll" is also interesting

          One of my favorite novels. If it were not for some of the author's passion for then fashionable science fiction, he could be put on a par with Anna Karenina.
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 29 May 2021 14: 51
            +5
            A little more schematic, but the plot and embodiment are wonderful. A pill for idealism.
  • Richard
    Richard 29 May 2021 18: 12
    +1
    depressant (lyudmila yakovlevna kuznetsova):
    Pavel ... I have to understand that it flew in from you, and I should get a handkerchief and wipe it off? ))))

    Take out a handkerchief, droll, wipe the sweat off the accordion player (c)
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 29 May 2021 18: 01
    +3
    the Jew Gumilev would be better to read the Russian Tyutchev.

    And since when is Gumilev a Jew? Or did you resort to your usual linguistic analysis - Gumi in Hebrew gum, Leva is a typical Hebrew name, and as a result of a puncture of a rubber product, Leva got a child? what
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 29 May 2021 19: 26
      +4
      Lyova is a typical Hebrew name,
      Oh wei! Taki Tolstoy - the first kibbutznik?
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 29 May 2021 20: 13
        +3
        No - Tolstoy is the mother of Russian kibbutzim hi
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 29 May 2021 20: 20
          +4
          hi
          Chairman of the "kombed"?
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 29 May 2021 20: 33
            +3
            Such a misfortune - everything is common, yet there is no property, and then they are excommunicated from the church crying
            By the way, there was no such thing in the kibbutz - the committee of the poor and other things. Everyone received the same buns or equally suffered from their own worthlessness)).
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 29 May 2021 20: 58
              +4
              Taki, I know! Or was my grandfather called Leo? laughing
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 29 May 2021 21: 31
                +1
                So do citizenship repeat
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 29 May 2021 21: 39
                  +3
                  Which one? Kirov region? My grandfather - Lev Platonovich Bazhin, vyatich, from the word "absolutely"
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 29 May 2021 21: 58
                    +1
                    Congratulations on your Russian Citizenship fellow
                  2. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 29 May 2021 22: 12
                    +2
                    They will put me a monument on Mars, in an embrace with Mark Watney! So, envy in silence! laughing
                  3. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 30 May 2021 08: 02
                    0
                    Look, envy, I am a citizen, not some kind of citizen? ))
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 29 May 2021 11: 35
    +5
    I like this poem very much. And I like the sycamore too. The color of the trunk is amazing.
    It is no coincidence that in Egyptian mythology, the sycamore tree is dedicated to the goddess Hathor.
  • Senior seaman
    Senior seaman 29 May 2021 10: 41
    +10
    after which the ambassadors for some reason went to inspect the Sinai Peninsula.

    Indeed, what are Orthodox Christians to do in Sinai? there is only the most ancient Christian monastery of St. Catherine, there is only a "burning bush", there are only tablets given to Moses :)))
  • Force multiplier
    Force multiplier 29 May 2021 11: 36
    0
    There is no more meaningless topic in terms of real benefits and benefits


    All more or less significant cities in the world are studded with obelisks, in especially important centers - original, but the theme is "meaningless". Just a coincidence"
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 29 May 2021 11: 46
    +2
    Curious, did not know about it) Thanks author!
  • faterdom
    faterdom 29 May 2021 14: 17
    +3
    That is, he did not doubt their purpose. Not that one firefighter from the regional center of Mokshan, Penza region, who somehow in the 90s published an article in one of our regional newspapers, where he argued that the pyramids are “breakwaters from the flood! At the same time, he believed that there were only three of them, in Giza. And about the fact that there are more than 118 pyramids in Egypt ... I did not know!

    So the anthropologist S. Drobyshevsky believes that as our life improves, we do not become smarter. Unfortunately.
    Especially in a universal sense.
    Maybe this firefighter sees through and through all the violations of the instructions for burning stoves and fireplaces, but otherwise he is such a "breakwater" and nothing more.
    1. depressant
      depressant 29 May 2021 16: 04
      +3
      And, most importantly, colleague, what will be left of us in 100 thousand years. Well, okay, after 50)))
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 29 May 2021 16: 59
        +4
        Good scale.
        It was the British who erected monuments either 100 years after their birthday, or 20 years after their death.

        Memory can remain either in descendants, or in the creation of a masterpiece, or in the working system that it served.
        1. depressant
          depressant 29 May 2021 17: 34
          +5
          I will dwell on the graves for now. Experts say that after 200 years, ashes remain from coffins with bodies.
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 29 May 2021 18: 02
            +3
            What is two hundred years for eternity?
            1. depressant
              depressant 29 May 2021 18: 24
              +3
              Sergei, are you kidding me? wassat )))
              Bodies will go, dust to dust. And the buildings? Think about what our dwellings are made of. Sand-lime brick, but carelessly fired.
              Experts say that in a thousand years nothing will be left of the bricks. This is taking into account the quality of our bricks and the cement mortar that holds them together. Everything will collapse, crumble into crumbs. After several millennia, concrete will also dissolve. Many cities will go under water. Archaeologists can only find traces of a rectangular shape in the location of sand and gravel, and this is already a sure sign that a civilization existed in this place. English scientist Jan Zalasevich from the University of Leicester believes that nature does not create anything like this.
              But the main thing for me is which monuments in the form of statues and buildings created by famous sculptors and architects will survive at least several thousand years. The way their artifacts from Ancient Egypt survived.
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 29 May 2021 18: 35
                +4
                "Only the hero's work
                Yes the sage's speech
                Centuries go by
                Not knowing the end ”(c).
                1. depressant
                  depressant 29 May 2021 18: 52
                  +5
                  Well, yes, legends, sagas, epics about heroes. But I'm worried about whether the Motherland-Mother of Vuchetich and my favorite sculpture, Worker and Collective Farm Woman Mukhina, will survive. The last of the mentioned sculptures I saw at the time when it was removed and placed right on the lawn in front of one of the two VDNKh stations. This is before installing elsewhere. It is huge, it is a sculpture, its beauty is stunning! No photographs convey this ...
                  Oh what worries me!
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 29 May 2021 19: 43
                    +4
                    I know one thing for sure. Another creation by Mukhina will pass through the centuries!
                    1. depressant
                      depressant 29 May 2021 21: 45
                      +1
                      What do you mean )))
                      There are a few more worthy ones. Maybe Bread?
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 29 May 2021 21: 51
                        +1
                        Faceted glass.
                      2. depressant
                        depressant 29 May 2021 23: 33
                        +2
                        I hope you're kidding?))))
                      3. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 30 May 2021 06: 20
                        +2
                        "Some attribute to V. I. Mukhina the authorship of the design of the famous faceted glass of the Soviet model. There is no documentary evidence of this. The sculptor's work is associated with the Leningrad Art Glass Plant, where she was the artistic director." (C)
              2. Korsar4
                Korsar4 29 May 2021 20: 19
                +4
                Now I realized: the next pharaoh-president needs to get busy with his pyramid without delay.
          2. Phil77
            Phil77 29 May 2021 19: 20
            +5
            Greetings to you Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
            But there was! There was such a documentary film on TV! What will happen to the planet if a MAN disappears. The fate of cities, buildings, structures, space objects is shown. I do not remember the name, but the plot is very fascinating!
            1. depressant
              depressant 29 May 2021 21: 05
              +1
              Seryozha, I saw a similar movie. At one time on Zen there were a lot of articles about the fact that suddenly some cataclysm will pass only 100 years, and all the majestic skyscrapers will turn into ruins overgrown with forest. Yes, in many films this moment is played out.
              Futurologists have been researching this issue for a long time. They say that future generations will show signs of our civilization, most likely in the largest structures, which are quarries and dams. Three Chinese dams contain such volumes of concrete that some of them will definitely remain. In addition, some modern structures, for example, the Onkalo nuclear waste storage facility in Olkiluoto, Finland, are specially designed so that they will last exactly 100 thousand years.
          3. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 29 May 2021 19: 40
            +5
            Bodies will go, dust to dust.
            "After all, they will lie in the common ground,
            Our mortal remains,
            To the earth, everything is one for her,
            Apatite and manure "(C)
            And the buildings?
            Now I'm thinking about my profession ... What if I'm not just building, but creating "incorruptible" ?! laughing
          4. Undecim
            Undecim 29 May 2021 21: 10
            +3
            Sand-lime brick, but carelessly fired.

            Silicate bricks are not fired, neither carelessly nor with high quality.
            1. depressant
              depressant 29 May 2021 21: 34
              +2
              Viktor Nikolaevich, apparently, I did not finish the phrase, having it in my head, sometimes it happens. Red brick, of course. Some old red brick buildings are still intact, but I have seen how old red brick, made using 20th century technology, literally crumbles in my hands. And today's cement is generally an anecdote. The best is worse than the Soviet mark 300, which was considered weak.
      2. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 29 May 2021 19: 32
        +3
        It depends on what kind of soil.
        1. depressant
          depressant 29 May 2021 21: 13
          +3
          And depending on what wassat ))))
          The pyramids are built from what stays well in dry, hot climates. And when there was once a period of rains, so on the Sphinx the grooves from the streams remained. They think so. Which is actually strange. In order for a groove to remain, a very thin stream of water must flow for a very long time in one and the same place, and not flow in another. Have you seen this rain?
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 29 May 2021 21: 22
            +2
            Mon ami, Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
            What stone is the Sphinx made of?
            1. depressant
              depressant 29 May 2021 21: 36
              +2
              So limestone! But grooves? )))
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 29 May 2021 21: 40
                +2
                The snails are trampled! laughing
                1. depressant
                  depressant 29 May 2021 21: 49
                  +2
                  Exactly! wassat good drinks )))
                  The very ones that came up with writing.
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 29 May 2021 21: 53
                    +2
                    See m / f "Contact".
                  2. depressant
                    depressant 29 May 2021 23: 38
                    +2
                    If you mean the old film, where the main character sculpts the nearest mountain from the soil in the knowledge that there will be contact with aliens, then I saw it. But the aliens were not snails)))
                  3. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 30 May 2021 06: 21
                    +1
                    Soviet cartoon.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 29 May 2021 19: 32
    +5
    Good scale.
    "What is in history a century or, there, half a century?
    In such a scale, they don't even cry about geniuses. "(C)
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 29 May 2021 20: 23
      +4
      “I want to believe
      What a rough job
      Gives you the opportunity
      It is duty free to see the sunrise ”(c).
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 29 May 2021 20: 39
        +4
        "To whom - che, to whom - no che", used to say my "ensign", who served "urgent" in Egypt, during the "Six Day War".
      2. depressant
        depressant 29 May 2021 21: 23
        +2
        Greetings to Sergey from 1759 from Alexander Petrovich Sumarokov:

        You will soon fall
        O neva streams, into the vast sea,
        You will pass forever
        Never return from the sea, -
        So our destiny leads our days to eternity,
        And so life does not come back.
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 30 May 2021 01: 18
          +2
          "A scoffer, a formidable scourge of vices,
          Intricate Sumarokov "(c).
          1. depressant
            depressant 30 May 2021 06: 03
            +2
            "But if in trouble here life were eternal,
            Who wouldn't want to have this rest of sleep? "(C)
        2. depressant
          depressant 30 May 2021 06: 44
          +2
          "... Die ... and inculcate into the coffin - the calm is lovely
          But what will follow sweet sleep? - Unknown. "(C)
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 30 May 2021 06: 52
            +2
            All will be well.
            1. depressant
              depressant 30 May 2021 07: 38
              +1
              Hamlet through the mouth of Sumarokov does not quite agree with you:
              "We know what the deity promises us generously -
              There is hope, the spirit is vigorous, but the nature is weak! "(C)
              It remains to be wondered how the native language has changed in such a short period of time by historical standards!)))
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 30 May 2021 08: 06
                +1
                Interesting remark! How would these words sound in a modern youth language? bully
                1. depressant
                  depressant 30 May 2021 09: 17
                  +1
                  Seryozha, I'm not young! wassat
                  Perhaps so:
                  it seems to many that the king, who is naked in their eyes, the main thing is to give praise in time, because if you want to be healthy, wipe off at the dining room.
                2. depressant
                  depressant 30 May 2021 09: 34
                  +1
                  And I found this:
                  "To be, or not to be? .." - the question "hangs",
                  among a variety of opinions ...,
                  where to these destinies is death, for an encore,
                  an arrow of extra generations!
                  Who are not capable, a sea of ​​troubles,
                  turn to anger, to their tyrants,
                  humbly honoring their vulgar delirium,
                  through smirks, to alien wounds ...
                  Who, sincerely, wanted to sleep,
                  and see, in dreams, the ultimate dream,
                  but death, only appreciates the "lawlessness",
                  to the living, in the frailty of torment ...
                  And eternity, which is the essence of all life,
                  under the calamities of the soul - bottomless,
                  where time - loves only horror,
                  for the proud, for whom death is lawful,
                  to inheritance, beyond innate torment,
                  but to malice, out of the anxiety of those in power,
                  with their greed of bloody hands,
                  in a dagger's gleam, for the unfortunate!
                  And the burden of life, here, is empty,
                  although the obscurity in her is huge,
                  and may such simplicity be holy
                  but after all, without strength, she is worthless!
                  And with that, and with the familiar evil,
                  it is regrettable for the truth to rub shoulders,
                  but in front of a stranger, her, good,
                  beggar once ... - must grovel ...
                  Or do you need a native span ...,
                  in silence so as not to give birth to the Prophet?
                  And if so - strong before sleep,
                  its scope - by the standards of rock ...,
                  and with that - the result ...


                  Author: Boring Author.

                  I don’t know about you, but I liked the Boring Author. The first interpretation given above is a reflection of the simple thoughts of primitive natures.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 29 May 2021 19: 29
    +4
    "Great sculptors of porcelain dogs" (C)
    1. depressant
      depressant 29 May 2021 21: 53
      +2
      Aside, covering his face with his hand: And who is he talking about? What other dogs? ((( belay )))
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 29 May 2021 21: 55
        +1
        This is not me, this is Jerome Klapka Jerome, "Three in the boat, not counting the dog."
        1. depressant
          depressant 30 May 2021 00: 01
          +2
          Yes, there are a lot of things. In particular:
          But it is more than likely that two hundred years later, during some excavations, this very dog ​​will be pulled out of the ground, having lost its legs and with a broken tail. And it will be placed in a museum as an example of antique porcelain, and it will be placed under glass. And connoisseurs will crowd around her and admire her. They will admire the warm color of her nose and will hypothesize how perfect in its shape the lost ponytail should have been.
          We do not notice the charm of this dog now. We looked too closely at her. For us, it is like a sunset in the sun or a starry sky. Their beauty does not amaze us, since our eyesight has become accustomed to it. It is the same with the beauty of the porcelain dog. In 2288, she will make a splash

          And the people of this era will be perceived as producers of porcelain dogs. I have forgotten these arguments. Apparently, then they were not in the subject.

          It's almost 12 at night now. I listen to how the wind sounds thinly and musically outside the window, causing alarm. I don't remember such wind singing. But what can I remember, there has never been such a thing. There was the sound of the wind and its howl. There was no singing.
  • vladcub
    vladcub 29 May 2021 14: 26
    +5
    "oh you, guests, gentlemen,
    How long have you traveled? Where to?
    Is it okay across the sea, or is it bad?
    And what a miracle in the world "(A. Pushkin)
    Merchants are legal spies of that time. The same merchant Pozdnyakov or, for example, Vasily Gagara, communicating with other merchants or local artisans, receive detailed information about the economic potential, political situation, and so on.
    And now in the east - a kind of barometer of stability in society
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 29 May 2021 15: 07
    +2
    "The interest in it among the Russians of that time was great" Vyacheslav Olegovich, and in your student years, were you and your fellow students indifferent to Egypt? And in 60-70, but they already knew a lot about Egypt.
    For the 16th century, the story of Egypt was as if we were now told about the cities on Mars
    1. kalibr
      30 May 2021 18: 56
      +2
      Quote: Astra wild2
      Vyacheslav Olegovich, and in your student years, unless you

      I literally raved about Egypt ... I knew from memory how certain hieroglyphs are read.
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 31 May 2021 10: 16
        0
        In this case, you are great
  • vladcub
    vladcub 29 May 2021 17: 42
    +3
    V. Oh, I recognized you by the epigraph, but today I just looked: an episode from "Pharaoh" - our V.O.
    Love this movie
    1. kalibr
      30 May 2021 18: 56
      +2
      Quote: vladcub
      Love this movie

      I think the best about Dr. Egypt
  • Shahno
    Shahno 29 May 2021 22: 02
    +1
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Quote: HanTengri
    Quote: Bar1
    forgot
    -Jerusalem

    Now everything is clear! The word Jerusalem comes from a typical Uzbek exclamation: "Iye ?! Urus Alim ?!", which in translation means: "Wow! But Alim turns out to be Russian!" wassat

    laughing good
    Irushalaym, literal translation - Founded by Shalem, the Canaanite god of Sunset. Jerusalem became thanks to the Greeks, who have no sound Ш.

    There is also an explanation ... Jebus + Shalem .. The Juvesis owned the city before the conquest and called this city Shalem ..
  • Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 30 May 2021 08: 55
    0
    Great article!
    Russians could and should have engaged in the accumulation of ancient Egyptian artifacts even in the period before Egyptomania, which began in Europe after Napoleon I.
    1. kalibr
      30 May 2021 18: 57
      +2
      About how we did it, too!
  • Maximilian37
    Maximilian37 31 May 2021 03: 55
    -2
    Author! The Russians could only find out about Egypt in 1991, in Russia there were Russians.
  • avaks111
    avaks111 12 August 2021 06: 35
    0
    Why is the pros and cons disabled?