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Technical features and advantages of microwave rifles

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Rifle SVCh-54 chambered for 7,62x54 mm R


In 2017, the Kalashnikov concern presented a promising microwave sniper rifle designed by A.Yu. Chukavin. By now it is weapon came to state tests, according to the results of which the army will determine its advantages and the need for adoption. The fate of a promising rifle is still uncertain, but the available amount of data already makes it possible to evaluate its design and determine the advantages over other samples.

Proactively


Concern "Kalashnikov" began developing a new sniper rifle in the middle of the last decade. It was planned to create a multi-caliber complex with common components, capable of using several types of ammunition. Such a weapon in the future could replace a number of models of domestic and foreign production in the troops, primarily the deserved SVD.

The first demonstration of the finished rifle designed by A.Yu. Chukavin took place at the Army-2017 forum. At the same time, the main technical features and characteristics, as well as the prospects for the development of the project and the implementation of its results in the troops or in power units, were revealed. So, the multi-caliber potential of the project was planned to be realized in the form of three products for different cartridges.


Diagram of incomplete disassembly from a promotional video from Kalashnikov

Subsequently, the proactive microwave oven in all configurations was nominated for competitions of the Ministry of Defense. So, in the development work with the "Reaper" code, the SVCh-54 rifle chambered for 7,62x54 mm R participates. Such a product has a chance to replace the SVD in the future. At the same time, the ROC "Ugolyok" is being carried out - its purpose is to provide rifles for foreign ammunition .308 Win (7,62x51 mm) and .338 Lapua Magnum (8,6x70 mm). The SVCh-308 rifle has already been created for this competition.

The prospects for modification under the "Lapua Magnum" have remained unclear until now. The more powerful cartridge required an enlarged receiver, a new barrel and a muzzle device, which made it difficult to develop the entire complex. Such a product has been successfully designed and submitted for testing. But the other day the weekly "Zvezda" reported that they decided to abandon the modification of the microwave for 8,6x70 due to the complexity and ambiguous prospects.

Thus, two samples of a new family from the Kalashnikov concern are undergoing state tests within the framework of two R&D projects. The timing of the completion of these activities was not specified. Their results are also questionable. However, judging by the known data, Chukavin's rifles have a good chance of entering service.


Demonstration of trigger action: a moment before the trigger touches the drummer

Technical features


The basic design of the microwave rifle is developed taking into account the accumulated experience and using new or well-known solutions. The wishes of snipers from different structures and divisions were also taken into account. The result of this was the design of a self-loading rifle with high performance, suitable for adaptation to different ammunition with obtaining the required range and accuracy.

The microwave oven is built on the basis of a U-shaped steel receiver, inside which the bolt group is "suspended". The barrel, forend and butt are attached to it. The firing mechanism is housed in a removable aluminum casing, which also includes the magazine shaft and the trigger guard. Modifications of the microwave oven-54 and microwave-308 are made on the basis of a unified box and casing. For a rifle under the .338 LM, its own parts with different dimensions and strength indicators are required.

The rifle received an automation based on a short-stroke exhaust gas. Locking is carried out by turning the bolt using three lugs. Depending on the cartridge, a barrel length of 410 to 560 mm with a muzzle brake is used. USM has two-sided controls and adjustable trigger pull. For power supply, standard magazines from SVD (under 7,62x54 mm R) or specially designed for .308 Win and .338 LM are used. The capacity of the new magazines is up to 20 rounds.


Microwave-308 with a set of additional accessories

On the forend and receiver, a single long Picatinny rail is provided on top for installing sighting devices. A telescopic folding stock is provided.

Microwave under 7,62x54 mm R or 7,62x51 mm has a length of at least 730 mm (depending on the barrel) and weighs 4,3 kg. The modification for 8,6x70 mm is almost 200 mm longer and 2 kg heavier.

Key Benefits


The most important feature of the microwave design, which gives significant advantages, should be considered the multi-caliber architecture. On the basis of common components, it was possible to create a design suitable for scaling for different ammunition with obtaining different combat characteristics. Three modifications have already been created, and new ones may appear in the future - subject to the availability of appropriate opportunities and wishes.

In the microwave project, the usual architecture with a receiver and a top cover was abandoned. Due to the U-shaped box with the lower trigger casing, high rigidity of the structure is provided, incl. to install the sight. In addition, the maintenance of the weapon is simplified, in particular the cleaning of the trigger, which is now available with minimal effort.


Lower casing of a rifle with a magazine shaft and controls

Taking into account the experience of operating rifles of different types, measures have been introduced to improve ergonomics. Unlike SVD and its modifications, it is possible to adjust the trigger and butt. In addition, the unified mount allows the use of a wide range of sighting devices, day and night.

High fire characteristics are declared for microwave ovens. The rifle in all modifications is capable of hitting targets at ranges of at least 800-1000 m. At the same time, an accuracy of 1 MOA is ensured, which meets the current requirements for a modern army sniper rifle.

Difficulties in the way


However, the microwave project is not ideal and has some weaknesses. Thus, practice has shown that multi-caliber architecture has limited potential. It was possible to unify two variants of the rifle as much as possible, while the third required its own set of parts, which made the project too complicated. At the same time, the creation of a modification of a rifle with a box from the microwave oven-54/308 chambered for the Lapua Magnum cartridge is not possible for objective reasons.


Experienced rifle for .338 Lapua Magnum

Previously, the microwave project was threatened by its status of an initiative development. Concern "Kalashnikov" created a whole family of weapons without an order and tactical and technical requirements from the Ministry of Defense. Fortunately, the army launched two R&D projects to create new sniper rifles, in which there was a place for a promising family of A.Yu. Chukavin. Thanks to this, the new project got a chance to go through the entire development cycle with possible adoption.

It is also necessary to recall that at present there is not the first attempt to replace the old well-deserved SVD. Previous projects of this nature have had limited success at best. It is not known whether it will be possible to launch a full-scale rearmament this time.

Construction and its perspectives


Thus, the design team of the Kalashnikov concern under the leadership of A.Yu. Chukavina was able to create an interesting and promising rifle complex from a technical point of view. It has broad engineering capabilities and operational prospects. In addition, the new weapon has already successfully passed the factory tests and the fine-tuning process.

Now everything depends on the decision of the army, which is conducting state tests on two development projects at once. If they are successfully completed, the Ministry of Defense will be able to recommend new models for adoption and launch a new program for the modernization of sniper arsenals. What it will be and what place the microwave rifles will take in it - time will tell.
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  1. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 25 May 2021 18: 03
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    .338 Lapua Magnum (8,6x70 mm) such a caliber is a must. The only question is, in what version? Self-charging or manual recharging
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 25 May 2021 18: 11
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      Better self-loading, not a "bolt" .. to ensure high-speed defeat to provide multiple targets ...
      I then decided to hit on the classics ... buy a personal collection, a solution tested from Vietnam, to a long distance, in case of a large arrival of a northern animal - a polar fox, in an already custom body kit, from the manufacturer:

      My new charm (M1A MP 9226 Black .308), to the surprise of my spouse, estimated these costs, for a high safe and a new case for transportation, to the car ...
      1. vl903
        vl903 25 May 2021 18: 34
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        is it a guarantor or m14? and how is it?
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 25 May 2021 19: 27
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          a fenced version of the classic M14, the barrel and the gas outlet from the storage rooms of the federal arsenal, it can be seen that our bourgeois, USM, were bought for cancellation, too, from there .. good everything else is new from the manufacturer! Well, for now, to judge how it is ... it's difficult for me personally, I'm used to smooth barrels in 12 gauge with an extended recoil intensity, but in the shooting range and at the training ground - I shot 50 until my shoulder ached from habit (abruptly, as the string is pushed and only if about the subjectivity of impressions) ... yes Although the accuracy at medium range, for this barrel and the energy economy in this body kit, inspires due respect ...
          1. Timeout
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            Quote: Intruder
            a fenced version of the classic M14, the barrel and gas outlet from the storage rooms of the federal arsenal, it can be seen that our bourgeois, USM, were bought for cancellation, too, from the same place .. everything else is new from the manufacturer!
            Dear, do not mislead people ... The entire line of commercial M1A series "Loaded" has barrels and trigger "National Match". And you, as the owner, should know this for sure. It turns out that you are either dissembling or deliberately misleading ...
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 28 May 2021 07: 42
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              The entire line of commercial M1A series "Loaded" barrels and trigger "National Match"
              they stand on the drain, but in the custom for a fee, where this kit was installed, there was a choice of other trunks and trigger, such as a limited offer for connoisseurs, plus a club card and other things ... for a regular customer, in total, the price increased by + 2 500, compared to the production model - it just remained behind the scenes .., you do not know all the ins and outs of this purchase ... I hope it was worth it, especially since this product is in the collection, or when it is pinned ... and not for constant activities ... in nature good
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                Quote: Intruder
                they stand on the drain, and in the custom for a fee, where this kit was installed, there was a choice of other barrels and trigger, such as a limited offer for connoisseurs,

                Dear, this is too much. Put crooked army trunks and usm, instead of match lol Did you hear yourself? It's easier to buy M14 in stock ...
                Quote: Intruder
                increased by + 2, compared to the production model - it just remained behind the scenes ..

                In general, a complete sur ... The price with match giblets from this barrel is 1800 bucks. With the old decommissioned iron 4300. You have a very exuberant imagination.
                1. Intruder
                  Intruder 28 May 2021 13: 53
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                  Put crooked army trunks and usm, instead of match
                  And who ... said that they are necessarily from storage curves ... ??? Or, there is direct evidence ... laughing Match, let the athletes leave themselves, God help ...
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                    Timeout 28 May 2021 14: 10
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                    Quote: Intruder
                    And who ... said that they are necessarily from storage curves ... ??? Or, there is direct evidence ... Match, let the athletes leave themselves, God help ...

                    Yeah, another "owner" ... What storage? Are there warehouses for strategic weapons reserves in the United States? For general development, the maximum storage period for weapons in arsenals is 30 years. That is, if it is in service. If not, it goes to free bidding.
                    1. Intruder
                      Intruder 28 May 2021 14: 37
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                      What storage? Are there warehouses for strategic weapons reserves in the United States? For general development, the maximum storage period for weapons in arsenals is 30 years
                      Secondary market, civil ... not heard in sight ... "whistle-blower" !? Not everything is melted down, especially when the "dusty" storerooms are cleaned of unnecessary junk, something goes to partners in the arms market, like Springfield Armory Inc.
                      Are there warehouses for strategic weapons reserves in the United States?
                      You know better ... you seem to be working for the federal or the Pentagon !? And we all read ... your devastating theory ...? hi
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                        Timeout 29 May 2021 14: 24
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                        Quote: Intruder
                        Secondary market, civil ... not heard in sight ... "whistle-blower" !?

                        Did you decide to be smart? That Springfield buys aftermarket barrels for production. Insanity blooms ... Here's for self-education, about "your" trunk from the manufacturer: https://www.springfield-armory.com/m1a-series-rifles/m1a-loaded-rifles/m1a-loaded-precision-308- rifle /
                      2. Intruder
                        Intruder 29 May 2021 18: 13
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                        That Springfield buys aftermarket barrels for production.
                        This is your fantasy, not mine !? laughing I spoke above about other bourgeois ... that's it !!! hi
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                        Quote: Intruder
                        I spoke above about other bourgeois ... that's it !!
                        Well, yes, like that ... An original expression of thought.
                        Quote: Intruder
                        some of it goes to partners in the arms market like Springfield Armory Inc.
                      4. Intruder
                        Intruder 29 May 2021 19: 16
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                        some of it goes to partners in the arms market like Springfield Armory Inc.
                        AND...!??? where are there any statements regarding the topic of our conversation with you ... ???
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                        Quote: Intruder
                        AND...!??? where are there any statements regarding the topic of our conversation with you ... ???

                        Do you interpret your own quotes differently? The attempt does not count, especially as customizing the target barrel! by installing army fillings from the mid-twentieth century. Or did the conversation start with something else?
        2. Intruder
          Intruder 28 May 2021 14: 44
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          The price with match giblets from this barrel is 1800 bucks. With old decommissioned iron 4300
          My dear, you have some kind of problem ... or elementary envy wassat , I don’t consider your grandmother, or now we will move on to the rulers and salaries !? wink
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            Timeout 29 May 2021 13: 58
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            My dear, you have some problems ... or elementary envy, I don’t count your money, or now we’ll move on to the lines and salaries !?

            God forbid! To count the grandmother from a specialist in artistic whistling ... And even more so to envy the virtual "owner" who did not even bother to learn the subject of "possession".
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 29 May 2021 18: 16
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              God forbid! To count the grandmother from a specialist in artistic whistling ... And even more so to envy the virtual "owner" who did not even bother to learn the subject of "possession".
              Do you happen to like fishing !?
              Advice (kind yes ) - go fishing and take with you an M16 + over-caliber mortar to her, such mines are put on the barrel. Subject! Wherever it got - the fish pops up almost immediately !!! good
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                Quote: Intruder
                Do you happen to like fishing !?
                Advice (good) - go fishing and take an M16 + over-caliber mortar with you to it, such mines are put on the barrel. Subject! Wherever it got - the fish pops up almost immediately !!!

                What a flight of thought! What is this for? Probably your fantasy has betrayed you all the same ... Or maybe not, especially about the mines, smiled. If you find something like that, wire it.
              2. Flashpoint
                Flashpoint 29 May 2021 19: 35
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                Quote: Timeout
                Quote: Intruder
                Do you happen to like fishing !?
                Advice (good) - go fishing and take an M16 + over-caliber mortar with you to it, such mines are put on the barrel. Subject! Wherever it got - the fish pops up almost immediately !!!

                What a flight of thought! What is this for? Probably your fantasy has betrayed you all the same ... Or maybe not, especially about the mines, smiled. If you find something like that, wire it.

                You are welcome :


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                Timeout 29 May 2021 20: 03
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                Quote: Flashpoint
                You are welcome :

                This is when a rifle grenade became a mine? You will find M234, by the way, also not a mortar.
              4. Flashpoint
                Flashpoint 29 May 2021 20: 16
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                This is when there were clear boundaries between mortar, grenade launcher and bomb launcher? laughing
              5. Timeout
                Timeout 29 May 2021 20: 28
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                Quote: Flashpoint
                This is when there were clear boundaries between mortar, grenade launcher and bomb launcher?
                Well then, in scientific language ...

                A mortar is an artillery gun, characterized by the absence of recoil devices and a gun carriage - they are replaced by a base plate, through which the recoil momentum is transmitted to the ground or self-propelled chassis (the latter - in self-propelled mortars).

                ... A grenade launcher is a portable firearm designed to destroy weapons and military equipment, structures or manpower of the enemy with the help of a shot with ammunition that is significantly superior in caliber to a small arms cartridge. The ammunition supply of a grenade launcher is called a grenade launcher shot.
              6. Intruder
                Intruder 29 May 2021 21: 03
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                Mortar - an artillery gun, characterized by the absence of recoil devices and a gun carriage
                just like that! ??? Or all the same, to think ... if you really copy with an automatic machine, with the keys tightly pressed ... laughing
                1.
                In 1976, the Perm Machine-Building Plant named after V.I. Lenin. The special design bureau of the plant under the general supervision of R. Ya. Shvarov and the direct one - A. Yu. Piotrovsky designed the 120-mm gun, which later received the index GRAU 120 A2. In 51, the developers of the system, Shvarev and Piotrovsky, became laureates of the State Prize. The system was unique, unparalleled. A ground artillery gun is understood as a mortar, howitzer, mortar, anti-tank gun. The same tool performs the functions of all the listed systems. And therefore, without coming up with a new name, in the service manuals and technical descriptions, 1981 A2 is called a weapon. 51 A2 can fire cumulative anti-tank shells, rotating high-explosive fragmentation shells and all types of 51-mm domestic mines. In addition, the gun can fire 120-mm mines of Western production, for example, mines from the French mortar RT-120. The tool has a wedge breechblock with semiautomatic copying type. The barrel of the 61 A2 is similar to a conventional artillery piece. It consists of a pipe and a breech. A wedge gate with semiautomatic copying type is placed in the breech. The pipe has 51 grooves of constant slope. The shots are sent using pneumatic devices. Compressed air is also blown through the barrel to remove the remnants of powder gases when the bolt is opened after a shot. For this, two cylinders are installed on the front wall of the tower. Their automatic charging comes from the standard air compressor of the engine starting system. Recoil devices are also similar to a conventional cannon - a hydraulic spindle-type recoil brake and a hydropneumatic knurler.

                How is it, to you ... it's about rifled mortars ... laughing
                2. And this is about the gun carriage:
                A bipedal carriage serves as a support for the mortar tube in a combat position and provides it with vertical and horizontal guidance angles. The two-legged carriage contains guidance mechanisms: lifting, swivel, leveling mechanism and a bracket for attaching the MPM-44M product.

              7. Timeout
                Timeout 30 May 2021 04: 29
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                Quote: Intruder
                if you really copy with an automatic machine, with tightly pressed keys ...

                Attempt again failed, Mr. Mortar
                Quote: Intruder
                And therefore, without having come up with a new name, in the service manuals and technical descriptions 2 A51 is called a weapon

                Trying to seem like a treasure trove of intelligence and experience, read the texts carefully. You called the rifle grenade a mine, not me. And it speaks about the level of your knowledge. You are the "owner" of a supercast that does not exist. And in secret, a mortar is called a mortar in the West. Something I do not see on this topic caustic comments.
              8. Intruder
                Intruder 30 May 2021 05: 08
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                You called the rifle grenade a mine, not me. And it speaks about the level of your knowledge. You are the "owner" of a supercast that does not exist. And in secret, a mortar is called a mortar in the West.
                I didn’t name, surprisingly yours, but the American military, even during the conflict in Vietnam! So, that past ... so they call it a mortar .. by the way !!! laughing Therefore, the product itself is a mortar and is worn on the barrel of a rifle ... wink
                What about your knowledge !? I mean, recoil and carriage, somehow deathly silence, you can see there ...!?
              9. Intruder
                Intruder 30 May 2021 05: 12
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                You are the "owner" of a supercast that does not exist.
                Russian proverb, about: "gopher that is ..." you know ??? Or, tell me !? laughing
          2. Intruder
            Intruder 29 May 2021 21: 14
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            Grenade Launcher - Portable Firearm
            And here, too ... not quite and not very much: Gun 2A28, the range of ammunition includes PG-15V shots and OG-15V shots, not a portable weapon at all, from the first stroke of its designer ... yes
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 29 May 2021 20: 28
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        Well, 45 mm. the gun is not a mortar and not once, but barrel artillery, but this did not prevent ... she successfully used such things, in the era of the Second World War:



      3. Timeout
        Timeout 30 May 2021 04: 37
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        Quote: Intruder
        Well, 45 mm. the gun is not a mortar and not once, but barrel artillery, but this did not prevent ... she successfully used such things, in the era of the Second World War:

        Is this another attempt to show off your erudition?
        Quote: Intruder
        Do you happen to like fishing !?
        Advice (kind) - go fishing and take with you M16 + over-caliber mortar to her, mines these are put on the trunk. Subject! Wherever it got - the fish pops up almost immediately !!!

        Whose words? Yours and trying to dissolve the usual verbal diarrhea in order to hide your "awareness".
      4. Intruder
        Intruder 30 May 2021 05: 10
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        Is this another attempt to show off your erudition?
        So far, you shine with erudition !!! As I see, this is exactly how a couple of days in one topic ... good laughing
  • cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 25 May 2021 21: 32
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    Quote: Intruder
    in the case of a large arrival of the northern animal - the Arctic fox, ...
    Winchester 1300 12 gauge
    Winchester 1300 Defender.
    12 gauge, 8 rounds in the magazine ...
    arctic fox in the usa
    In my opinion this is arrival of the northern fur animal, but only from the South ...
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 25 May 2021 21: 37
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      Winchester 1300 Defender.
      12 gauge, 8 rounds in the magazine ...
      Hmm, only for a short time and with all kinds of sudden street "surprises", there is this: KSG Tactical Shotgun 7x7, changed it after owning DP-12, it came out easier and more grasping ... and M1A, this is when on the ground, and on to bring down an animal, or another bipedal animal and possibly with an automatic weapon in your hands!
      1. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 25 May 2021 21: 51
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        Quote: Intruder
        M1A, this is when on the ground, and at a distance to bring down a beast, or other bipedal beast, and possibly with an automatic weapon in your hands!
        You live on a farm on the prairie of the Wild West ...
        When there is an overview of the area around and in the distance, then the "classic rifle cartridge", self-loading, optics and magazine of at least 10 rounds.
        Quote: Intruder
        Hmm, only for a short time and with all sorts of street sudden "surprises"!
        When you live in the city -
        visibility only to a nearby house, "polar foxes walk in packs", the same has to get out to the "city" - 12 gauge, buckshot, store food, self-loading, not very long (folding stock) ... and a few grenades just in case.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 25 May 2021 21: 58
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          You live on a farm on the prairie of the Wild West ...
          When there is an overview of the area around and in the distance, then the "classic rifle cartridge", self-loading, optics and magazine of at least 10 rounds.
          With the northern fur ..., you will have to just get out of the city, further away from the congestion of "hungry" and very daring crowds of people, and most likely on the very "prairies" indicated by you, to nature in the countryside, at least, and it's even better to go to the forest, it's more pleasant for me there than in the desert - I don't like heat and dryness !? wink
          When you live in the city -
          visibility only to a nearby house, "polar foxes walk in packs", the same has to get out to the "city" - 12 gauge, buckshot, store food, self-loading, not very long (folding stock) ... and a few grenades just in case.
          Well, grenades, this is not very legal ..., I'm only talking about legal products with a license, and 10 rounds is the maximum allowed ... weapons in a pouch, and then refill it as needed, always, at the place of position ... hi
          1. cat Rusich
            cat Rusich 25 May 2021 22: 20
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            Quote: Intruder
            With the northern fur ..., you will have to just get out of the city, further away from the congestion of "hungry" and very daring crowds of people, and most likely on the very "prairies" indicated by you, to nature in the countryside, at least, and it's even better to go to the forest, it's more pleasant for me there than in the desert - I don't like heat and dryness !? wink
            ... hi
            In principle, the "classic 12 gauge" is the same thing for hunting game, just use different cartridges for different "forest animals".
            RџSЂRё "global arctic fox" it will not be possible to sit out for a long time in the countryside ...
            You won't plow and sow - harvest, will you? - or will you?
            You will have to choose a community that suits you in terms of racial and moral organization - and defend it with arms in hand from other "hungry" and daring crowds of people alien to your community.
            However, this is already a retelling of some kind of "post-apocalyptic novel" in paperback ...
            hi
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 25 May 2021 22: 25
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              In principle, the "classic 12 gauge" is the same thing for hunting game, just use different cartridges for different "forest animals".
              The taste is controversial ... it's better to get venison at a distance, so for example, and there just .308 will come in handy, in all its ballistics glory! good plus, and if strangers climb, it's better to meet them at a distance than point-blank, besides, they obviously won't have axes and shovels in their hands !?
              With the "global fox" it will not be possible to sit out for a long time in the countryside ...
              You won't plow and sow - harvest, will you? - or will you?
              Temporarily, you can eat from the gifts of nature, and then it will be seen, either myself with my family or all the same a community where I’ll better do a craft than agriculture, it’s easier for me with technology than with herbs ... yes , personal experience of survival in mountain tourism is also in the taiga of Siberia ...
              1. cat Rusich
                cat Rusich 25 May 2021 22: 44
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                Quote: Intruder
                The taste is controversial ... it's better to get venison at a distance, so for example, and there just .308 will come in handy, in all its ballistics glory! good
                ...
                We will not argue about hunting.
                Quote: Intruder
                if strangers climb, it's better to meet them at a distance than point-blank, besides, they obviously won't have axes and shovels in their hands !?
                ...
                The question is at what distance you will notice the "unfamiliar Arctic fox" ...
                At the front, even in Vietnam - you sit in position or move in a raid or convoy - you are ready for battle and are waiting for the "enemy fox".
                When surviving in nature, you will have a question about observing the surrounding area. The "aggressive arctic fox" will be cunning and sneak up unnoticed. You can remember the novels about the Wild West -
                then let's remember the "classics of the genre" - Winchester - for fast and accurate shooting at short and medium distances (I cite as an example well-known to all).
                However, the conversation turns about survival and you need to take into account various factors from the terrain - to world and local politics.
                1. Intruder
                  Intruder 25 May 2021 22: 53
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                  When surviving in nature, you will have a question about observing the surrounding area
                  in the wild, I sleep in one eye in a tent and turn my head in a circle, trying not to make noise and follow the changes in the environment, even background sounds give a lot of information, and this is not hunting, but simply mountain tourism in places where there are no people and there will be no help if you stick on the most tomatoes laughing , and animals ... all the more upright walking do not always understand how not to make noise (not everything, here preparation and real experience is needed with living in rough terrain ...) ... in nature !!! yes
                  The "aggressive arctic fox" will be cunning and sneak up unnoticed.
                  Well, it also happens, if it can, it's just fate - then !? one hunter - on the other, sometimes his Majesty - an occasion !?
                  Winchester - for fast and accurate shooting at short and medium distances (I cite as an example well-known to everyone).
                  here, more PR publicists, both past and modern, Winchester ... hmm! winked, again ... not to the wild West, now we can go, then about automatic weapons in general not by spirit and not by hearing ... therefore, the further the confident distance, the better for the owner of the rifle, with a .308 caliber, plus the position needed with a "rifle cell", albeit primitive, for at least one !?
                  1. cat Rusich
                    cat Rusich 25 May 2021 23: 08
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                    Quote: Intruder
                    , and animals ... all the more upright walking do not always understand how not to make noise (not everything, here preparation and real experience is needed with living in rough terrain ...) ... in nature !!! yes
                    "Upright fox" will not look for you in the taiga or prairie -
                    "Two-legged arctic foxes" will cluster in crowded places - a trading post (again referring to a western ...), a saloon and other gathering places for survivors.
                    Most likely, it is the "Arctic foxes" who will declare themselves "legal authority" and demand obedience, and you yourself will have to contact (enter into communication) with the "Arctic foxes" or ...
                    Live like Robinson Crusoe surrounded by "cannibal foxes".
                    The poor arctic fox is probably already worn out to hiccup ...
                    arctic fox

                    smile
                  2. Intruder
                    Intruder 25 May 2021 23: 17
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                    "Two-legged arctic foxes" will cluster in crowded places - a trading post (again referring to a western ...), a saloon and other gathering places for survivors.
                    Then for these situeven, two short-barrels are better, one type: derringer: COP 4 Barrel .357 Magnum, always carry with you, smart guys in saloons, they did it as effectively as personal protection from a drunken fool with a knife, or with a revolver, on Dick !!!
                    Most likely, it is the "Arctic foxes" who will declare themselves "legal authority" and demand obedience, and you yourself will have to contact (enter into communication) with the "Arctic foxes" or ...
                    This "legitimate" government, in a month, another will need clever artisans and technicians, when the progressive and modern begins to bend and break down surprisingly quickly, hello from mass production with marketing and industrial oligarchy, that's where you need to think about mutually beneficial cooperation, and not fighting, in all sorts of forests and "prairies", in order to survive ... yes
                  3. cat Rusich
                    cat Rusich 25 May 2021 23: 27
                    +2
                    Quote: Intruder
                    This "legitimate" government, in a month, another will need clever artisans and technicians, when the progressive and modern begins to bend and break surprisingly quickly, ... yes
                    Then you need to stock up
                    toolbox
                    tools for their craft.
                    yes
                  4. Intruder
                    Intruder 25 May 2021 23: 33
                    0
                    tools for their craft.
                    I have two soft cases, for this I have, for the first time there will be enough with a margin, and my own will have to somehow be repaired ... so the shore in reserve is this NAZ, just a rhyme ... laughing
                  5. cat Rusich
                    cat Rusich 26 May 2021 00: 10
                    +4
                    Quote: Intruder
                    I have two soft cases, for this I have, for the first time there will be enough with a margin, and my own will have to somehow be repaired ... so the shore in reserve is this NAZ, just a rhyme ... laughing
                    Then stock up on such a device
                    moonshine
                    for production disinfectant liquids
                    drinks
                  6. Intruder
                    Intruder 26 May 2021 00: 14
                    -1
                    for the production of disinfectant liquids
                    cumbersome, however ... to drag it, if it is easier to assemble the rectifier on the plates from the metal set for tourism, now wonderful whales are made from alloyed alloys, with charcoal filters, and so ... better bee mead and mash from berries, for sugreva and antidipresant !? drinks
                  7. cat Rusich
                    cat Rusich 26 May 2021 00: 34
                    +1
                    Quote: Intruder
                    cumbersome, however ... to drag, if it is easier to assemble it in place
                    Laughter is laughter, but thermoelectric generator may be useful
                    thermoelectric generator GTU-12-12
                    GTU-12-12 (as an example).
                    Small electrical appliances can greatly facilitate post-apocalyptic life.
                    yes
                  8. Intruder
                    Intruder 26 May 2021 00: 40
                    -1
                    Laughter is laughter, but a thermoelectric generator can come in handy
                    but what kind of laughter is there if the same animal comes !? And I tried to assemble the thermogenerator myself on the Pelte elements, made the maximum output power up to 10 watts, under load !!! Only trouble with him crying , a lot, if you often charge in nature .., but a turbine with floats in a stream on a leash, or a wind generator with folding rotor blades and on a tree good , if in the camp, it's already easier .., and the solar flexible panels, no one canceled, fixed the top of the tent and in the morning for charging, set the walkie-talkie and the navigator ...
              2. would
                would 30 May 2021 08: 48
                0
                No kidding, it's a good idea, especially for barter. In the conditions of a total fur-bearing animal, on the one hand, the supply of alcohol is disrupted, and on the other, its consumption increases significantly. Thus, it remains only to establish production and you can begin to exchange at least for weapons and cartridges.

                We know examples of this, it is worth remembering the collapse of the USSR when vodka in many places became a universal means of payment.
  • Sergey Aleksandrovich
    Sergey Aleksandrovich 27 May 2021 15: 10
    +1
    In order not to sneak up unnoticed, it is necessary to equip the approaches with signal mines.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 28 May 2021 07: 54
      0
      it is necessary to equip the approaches with signal mines.
      well, this is very fat and you can't save enough of them, especially when everything is already limited in the payload !?
    2. Sergey Aleksandrovich
      Sergey Aleksandrovich 28 May 2021 11: 17
      +1
      Then burglar alarms for motion detection and a siren connected to the battery.
    3. Intruder
      Intruder 28 May 2021 11: 22
      +1
      Then burglar alarms for motion detection and a siren connected to the battery.
      a skein of fishing line and cans, you can also use cans, now they are light, plus food in them ... good
  • bunta
    bunta 25 May 2021 18: 41
    +2
    Quote: Zaurbek
    Self-charging or manual recharging

    With "manual", of course. At a distance over 1 km, the accuracy should be no worse than 0,5 MOA. An expensive solution for automation.
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 26 May 2021 00: 21
    +1
    For .338, a bolt is better, and for .308 or 7,62 × 51, but our 7,62 × 54R at least one, at least another, depends on the role and place of the sniper. As if a sniper of a motorized rifle platoon, it is a semi-automatic by definition.
  • Alex777
    Alex777 26 May 2021 20: 14
    0
    .338 Lapua Magnum (8,6x70 mm) such a caliber is a must.

    + 100500!
    The US Army opted for the .338 semi-automatic.
    And our army needs a semiautomatic device.
    The bolt is an option for the police. hi
  • Garm
    Garm 25 May 2021 18: 14
    +12
    How long can you run around with a multi-caliber? If, as indicated in the article - "The most important feature of the microwave project, which gives significant advantages, should be considered multi-caliber architecture," then this rifle is not needed for nothing. The 338 Lapua Magnum cartridge could have given a real increase in characteristics relative to the SVD, but this version was abandoned. It turns out that it is necessary to start rearmament for the sake of the picatinny bar?
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 26 May 2021 10: 12
      0
      Quote: Garm
      It turns out that it is necessary to start rearmament for the sake of the picatinny bar?
      If the new rifle for infantry combat formations is like a "marksman rifle", then is there any point in changing the SVD, which is reliable and accurate enough for such tasks?
      The Dragunov rifle allows the trigger mechanism to work even with heavy dirt, which cannot be said about the microwave trigger mechanism suspended in the receiver, which requires close attention and care.
      If, as the concern declares, the microwave oven was created taking into account the opinion of professional snipers, then well-aimed shooters in infantry battle formations can hardly be counted among the pros of "sniping". Already in this alone, the rifle does not seem to be universal, being more expensive than the SVD and less reliable.
      Yes, the president "checked out" the rifle.

      But, somehow they take doubts that the microwave can completely replace the SVD. Shoot at the shooting range, for city special forces, but not for trench dirt and "Marksman", especially from conscripts.
      Therefore, there is no clear advantage to the microwave, especially as a universal rifle, and I do not want to talk about the development of funds.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 26 May 2021 20: 21
        +3
        We have no conscripts snipers for a long time. All contractors.
        The SVD circuit is super reliable, but there are problems with accuracy.
        It is important to consider, and what will the enemies be armed with?
        And they have .338 semiautomatic devices that will 100% make a soldier with SVD from 1200m.
        1. Konnick
          Konnick 26 May 2021 20: 45
          0
          And they have .338 semiautomatic devices

          And you can name at least two models, caliber 8,6 mm, self-loading. Okay, at least one.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 26 May 2021 21: 21
            0
            Don't like to google?
            The Noreen Bad News self-loading semi-automatic sniper rifle was specially designed for the long-range sniper cartridge of the 338 Lapua Magnum 8.6x70 mm caliber. "Bad news" - this is how a rifle is called in translation from English. Indeed, what else remains to be expected if the effective firing range of this "baby" is about 1500 meters with an accuracy of less than 1 arc minute (with a correctly selected cartridge).
            The Noreen Bad News ULR 338 sniper rifle is equipped with an original gas-operated automatic system.

            The MCR 400 series of rifles has an amazing "multi-caliber", including cartridges: .300 Weatherby Magnum, .308 Norma Magnum, .338 Winchester Magnum, .338 Lapua Magnum, .338 Remington Ultra Magnum, .340 Weatherby Magnum, .350 Remington Magnum,. 358 Norma Magnum, .375 H&H Magnum, 8mm Remington Magnum, .378 Weatherby Magnum, .416 Rigby, .416 Remington Magnum, .416 Taylor, .458 Winchester Magnum. The MCR 400 comes standard with a .338 Lapua Magnum (8.6x70 mm) and a 760 mm (30 in) stainless steel Lothar-Walther barrel.

            But you are correct that the Barrett MRAD .338 is not a semi-automatic.
            Here my memory let me down. hi
            M82A1 semi-automatic. So the problem of the semiautomatic device .338 is quite solvable.
            1. Konnick
              Konnick 26 May 2021 21: 58
              -1
              Don't like to google?

              I usually use Yandex. But in essence the question is that NATO is not armed with self-loading caliber 338, that is, these are all small series of small private companies. I consider long-range shooting just a sport, it has no particular combat value - the target must be stationary for at least 3 seconds and the weather must be good. But the extra weight of the rifle sharply limits its use. At such distances from a kilometer, there are other, larger weapons. Although quick fire of 2-3 snipers with SVD for 1,5 kilometers will be more effective than one sniper with a long-range rifle. And we can afford that luxury.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 26 May 2021 22: 19
                +1
                Although quick fire of 2-3 snipers with SVD at 1,5 kilometers

                Have you done this in practice?
        2. Per se.
          Per se. 27 May 2021 06: 28
          +1
          Quote: Alex777
          which 100% will give a soldier with SVD from 1200m
          If we are talking about "infantry snipers" (Marksman), then the tasks are solved at distances from 300 to 700 meters. Each motorized rifle company used to have an SVD. More than a kilometer, this should be said not about "Marksman", but about real snipers, where there should be various weapons, up to a caliber of 12,7 mm.

          A light rifle for a rifle platoon could even be made on the basis of the RPK-74. Problems with accuracy are more due to the quality of the barrel and the cartridges themselves, and not to the "viciousness" of the SVD. SVD rifles, produced before 1963, were especially appreciated because of the good quality of the barrel.
          I think that SVD can still serve in its niche.
          1. Konnick
            Konnick 27 May 2021 06: 38
            +1
            SVD rifles, produced before 1963, were especially appreciated due to the good quality of the barrel.

            They had a cutting pitch of 320 mm, and then they made 240 mm, only for the sake of armor-piercing incendiary bullets, in order to increase the accuracy when firing them, and because of this, the accuracy of the poi was slightly affected by the usual shooting, such a compromise. And the SVD rifle for the squad, in a platoon it turns out 4.
          2. Konnick
            Konnick 27 May 2021 06: 49
            +1
            I think SVD can still serve in its niche

            Wrong word will serve. If only to improve the quality of the cartridges. In general, the armament of the infantry, in particular the squad, needs to be changed. The existing equipment of the squad - a machine gunner, a sniper, a grenade launcher and shooters has long been outdated, the Chechen one has shown it. There will be no chain attack on other people's trenches. Leave machine guns on vehicles, single-use grenade launchers, anyone should be able to shoot, but there should be 3-4 SVDs in the squad.
            1. Per se.
              Per se. 27 May 2021 08: 18
              +1
              Quote: Konnick
              The existing equipment of the squad - machine gunner, sniper, grenade launcher and arrows has long been outdated
              Yes, it is, perhaps, and the department itself needs to be reformed, for example, to make in the department four links of three people (in each SVD or PKK with optics).
              1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                Sergey Aleksandrovich 27 May 2021 15: 19
                0
                I see the exact opposite. A couple more shooters should be armed with RPK-16 or RPL-20 machine guns, and the grenade launcher should be given an additional GM-94 to choose from, depending on the tasks to be solved.
                1. Konnick
                  Konnick 27 May 2021 15: 33
                  +1
                  I see the exact opposite. A couple more shooters should be armed with RPK-16 or RPL-20 machine guns, and the grenade launcher should be given an additional GM-94 to choose from, depending on the tasks to be solved

                  Yeah, also AGS in addition, one RPL-20 with cartridges of 10 kilograms.
                  What is the point of making the soldiers heavier, they are not fighting alone, their task in modern combat is to identify the nodes of resistance, to send artillery or aviation there. And they themselves do not particularly shine. 3 SVDs may well stop a platoon attack with much less ammunition and more covertly, and the machine gun is detected once or twice and becomes a priority target of the enemy, well, the second group numbers can also be armed with submachine guns designed for close combat, although this is best avoided. The main defense factor of a modern infantryman is stealth and mobility, not a full-length assault attack. Instead of extra pounds of machine gun and ammunition, it is better to have modern means of observation and communication. Long arm tactics.
                  1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                    Sergey Aleksandrovich 27 May 2021 15: 41
                    0
                    Let's leave the questions of tactics for a more convenient case, I will only note that with rifles longer than light machine guns, it will be inconvenient to land and disembark from armored vehicles. I saw the deputy for armament with the SVD, he can be allowed to carry it with him in the cab of the car, but if all the shooters are with long rifles, they will somehow be uncomfortable both in technology and in urban combat.
                    1. Konnick
                      Konnick 27 May 2021 15: 51
                      0
                      I saw the deputy for armament with the SVD, he can be allowed to carry it with him in the cab of the car, but if all the shooters are with long rifles, they will somehow be uncomfortable both in technology and in urban combat.

                      And what about SIDS? Or an IED. 875 mm and 980 mm respectively. Are there any shorter machine guns? Moreover, for example, the IED has an automatic mode and made a 20-type magazine, and even a bipod.
                      1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                        Sergey Aleksandrovich 27 May 2021 16: 00
                        +1
                        So why does everyone, including gangs, prefer AKs and not run around with sniper rifles? They probably know something, something that you do not know.
                        And why did you need outright lies about the weight of the RPL-20 with cartridges of 10 kg? This is how much the PKM weighs with a box and cartridges of 7,62 mm.
                      2. Konnick
                        Konnick 27 May 2021 16: 14
                        -1
                        Where can they get them? They would be happy, but they have to make do with cheap Chinese Kalash. About the weight of the RPL? Yes, I'm offhand, okay, we'll wrap machine gunners with ribbons and make everyone else run with boxes of 100 rounds.
                      3. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                        Sergey Aleksandrovich 27 May 2021 16: 20
                        0
                        Also, running with long rifles is very inconvenient, it is immediately clear that you did not have to do this. Even a march with an awkward AK-74 already causes considerable inconvenience in comparison with the AKS. And you don't need to hang yourself with ribbons offhand, you don't need to turn the discussion into an exchange of absurdities. Two cloth boxes for RPL-20 for 100 rounds will weigh comparable to 6 or 7 magazines for AK-74.
                      4. Konnick
                        Konnick 27 May 2021 16: 39
                        +1
                        It was more convenient for me to run with the AKM, I just held it on the shoulder strap, the store rested against the elbow, the butt was in the air, it didn’t even touch the buttocks .. It was very convenient, it didn’t flutter and one hand was always free.
    2. Alex777
      Alex777 27 May 2021 09: 58
      +1
      If we are talking about "infantry snipers" (Marksman), then the tasks are solved at distances from 300 to 700 meters.

      I agree. SVD is effective at this range.
      More than a kilometer, this should be said not about "Marksman", but about real snipers, where there should be various weapons, up to a caliber of 12,7 mm.

      As far as I understand the situation .338 at ranges up to 1500 m is quite effective. What Lapua Magnum, what Norma Magnum.
      The flatness of the trajectory is even higher than the .50.
      Problems with accuracy are more due to the quality of the barrel and the cartridges themselves, and not to the "viciousness" of the SVD.

      I don't quite agree here. And the cartridge has drawbacks that are irreparable and the design of the SVD has well-known drawbacks.
      The reliability of the SVD is well known, but the scope's capabilities, its attachment, barrel attachment, etc., do not allow increasing the range and accuracy of fire.
      There are a lot of things on this topic in the internet. Including expensive alterations to improve accuracy by changing the design. hi
  • Split
    Split 27 May 2021 09: 28
    +3
    Now, of all combat zones, the overwhelming majority is urban combat. What are 1 + km? Right now it is the Marxman who decide, for them the semiautomatic device is the very same 1MOA for the eyes. There are much fewer classic snipers with "bolt-action", even in the Middle East
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 27 May 2021 15: 07
      -1
      Now, of all combat zones, the overwhelming majority is urban combat.

      Or a city or mountains. In the same Syria.
      What are 1 + km?

      An enemy who knows how to hit at such a distance occupies dominant points (heights). And it is difficult to knock him out without appropriate weapons.
      Or artillery on a tip (which is not always possible), or the same sniper.
      Right now it is the Marxmans who decide, for them the semiautomatic device is the very thing behind the eyes.

      And I agree, and microwave .338 promised less than 1MOA. It's a pity if they refuse.
      The weight of 6,3 kg without cartridges for such a rifle is quite acceptable IMHO.
  • Decimalegio
    Decimalegio 25 May 2021 18: 20
    +4
    Interesting weapon. However, for export I would also add the 300 Winchester Magnum cartridge. It offers excellent performance for half the price of a 338 Lapua Magnum cartridge.
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    2. Decimalegio
      Decimalegio 26 May 2021 00: 13
      +1
      The simplest solution would be to use the 300 WSM (winchester short magnum) cartridge. Possibility of increasing power up to 300 WM cartridge, the price is the same, but you can use a shotgun with a short bolt
  • Barberry25
    Barberry25 25 May 2021 18: 27
    0
    well, in caliber 7,62 by 54, SVDM is unlikely to surpass.
    1. vl903
      vl903 25 May 2021 18: 43
      +4
      Quote: Barberry25
      well, in caliber 7,62 by 54, SVDM is unlikely to surpass.
      it seems to be its feature, while maintaining the characteristics of SVD, great compactness and a magazine for 20 rounds. that is, a good Marksman
      1. Barberry25
        Barberry25 25 May 2021 20: 09
        +3
        Well, a magazine for 20 cartridges can be put on the SVDM, the performance characteristics cannot be there, because the barrel is much shorter, and in the SVDM it is thickened. and the difference in the length of the weapon, although it is up to 200 mm, but at the same time in the SVDM the length of the barrel itself is 155 mm more .. The problem of svdehi .. just the old ones, in a weak sight and a gross cartridge .. when installing normal optics, a thick barrel and the correct location of the bipods, all this is implemented in SVDM, it turns out a good Marksman rifle
      2. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 25 May 2021 21: 21
        +3
        Quote: vl903
        , great compactness and a magazine for 20 rounds.
        oc-03 svu-as
        OTs-03 SVU-AS. Born in 1979, but she did not grow further than the Ministry of Internal Affairs ...
        Barrel length 520mm
        Weight 5,5kg with optics, but without cartridges.
        Overall length 980mm
  • bunta
    bunta 25 May 2021 18: 37
    +5
    Ordinary nonsense from the concern in the line of ak-12, submarine and microwave oven.
  • Klingon
    Klingon 25 May 2021 18: 40
    +5
    phew a pancake microwave, I mean, an automatic machine, and I already thought about a portable manual microwave oven of directional action :(
  • Operator
    Operator 25 May 2021 18: 52
    -5
    The microwave will not take off - when firing at a distance of 1 km with an accuracy of 1 MOA (30 cm), you will not hit the head figure.
    And the accuracy of 1 MOA for a semiautomatic device with a gas engine is written with a pitchfork in the sand.
    1. vl903
      vl903 25 May 2021 19: 00
      +3
      Quote: Operator
      The microwave will not take off - when firing at a distance of 1 km with an accuracy of 1 MOA (30 cm), you will not hit the head figure.
      And the accuracy of 1 MOA for a semiautomatic device with a gas engine is written with a pitchfork in the sand.

      This is the modern reading of the svd foldable. let the bolt workers work for a kilometer.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 25 May 2021 19: 32
        -1
        let the bolt workers work for a kilometer.
        oh, classic, now there are many options with decent self-charging, if up to 1,2-1,3 km., and even optics with a rangefinder and a ballistic computer, I personally have one interesting attachment, right on the smartphone stands with tables and a calculator .., sometimes with different outraged atmosphere I use it, out of love for art, so to speak !!! winked
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 25 May 2021 23: 54
          0
          one interesting one, right on the smartphone stands with tables and a calculator

          Shooter + go? I use it myself with pleasure ..
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 25 May 2021 23: 58
            -1
            BulletDrop and Ballistic Calculator for iOS!
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 25 May 2021 23: 59
              0
              I know this. But also Shooter + take a look on occasion. Quite a good thing.
              1. Intruder
                Intruder 26 May 2021 00: 02
                -1
                But also Shooter +, on occasion, take a look. Quite a good thing.
                I will definitely take a look, thanks for the "target designation" ... good
                1. paul3390
                  paul3390 26 May 2021 00: 04
                  0
                  http://www.ada.ru/guns/ballistic/calc/index.htm
                  https://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/91/175515-67.html - это страничка автора на Ганзе. Можно задать вопросы или попросить что поправить.
                  1. Intruder
                    Intruder 26 May 2021 00: 09
                    -1
                    You can ask questions or ask for something to fix.
                    I was, however, there, banned by the modernists, in the past! wink but it was long ago - this is the case, it can be seen from the park ...!
                    Although, thanks - I will know that there are still smart people left there.
  • out of habit
    out of habit 25 May 2021 19: 07
    -1
    Shop mine. laughing
    1. John22
      John22 25 May 2021 19: 46
      0
      I would mine the store, I would make it like FN FAL, so that it is not a mine. And it's easier to charge and doesn't get clogged with dirt.
      1. out of habit
        out of habit 25 May 2021 20: 40
        0
        Has always been the neck.
  • Luty
    Luty 25 May 2021 19: 31
    +2
    Multi-caliber is to sell to respected and not very respected partners))))). And chambered for 8.6x70 requires a bolt. The distance of semiautomatic devices is from 300 to 600 further from the evil one.
    1. Genry
      Genry 25 May 2021 20: 52
      +1
      Quote: Luty
      And chambered for 8.6x70 requires a bolt. The distance of semiautomatic devices is from 300 to 600 further from the evil one.

      This cartridge can just penetrate body armor at a medium distance. And 7,62 already loses speed and energy unacceptably.
      1. Luty
        Luty 25 May 2021 22: 38
        +1
        I did not mean the defeat of the bulletproof vests, but the chances of getting somewhere in the conditions of the base, not the shooting range.
      2. paul3390
        paul3390 25 May 2021 23: 53
        0
        Well why - for example .300WM quite flies for long distances. Only the patron is very angry - he kicks like a horse. For the first time, from surprise, I almost sat down - I did not think that it would hit me like that. And this is with my centner of combat weight ..
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 25 May 2021 19: 37
    +1
    So many different weapons are being tested, and in my opinion, weapons need to be made by order of the military. Otherwise, they will create a rifle and begin to promote it, but the military is not satisfied with this or that parameter of reconciliation, the weight of the weapon, the accuracy, the selection of materials for the weapon. ...
    1. Genry
      Genry 25 May 2021 20: 59
      +2
      Quote: Thrifty
      in my opinion, weapons need to be made by order of the military. Otherwise, they will create a rifle and begin to promote it, but the military is not satisfied with this or that parameter of reconciliation, the weight of the weapon, the accuracy, the selection of materials for the weapon. ...

      The manufacturer has long known about all the "Wishlist" of the military, and therefore takes the initiative. In the civil sector, there are no orders at all - there is a demand for better solutions.
  • Basarev
    Basarev 25 May 2021 19: 53
    +4
    A vain attempt. SVD is eternal and irreplaceable. It will turn out as with the PM - many tried, no one was able to replace it.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 26 May 2021 04: 51
      +1
      Quote: Basarev
      SVD is eternal and irreplaceable.

      And the microwave is faceless .... Without individuality, such, the same, is complete!
  • vl903
    vl903 25 May 2021 20: 07
    -2
    this one, only with a removable barrel, the pilots in the NAZ need to lay down instead of ak74u.
  • K-50
    K-50 25 May 2021 20: 21
    +1
    We managed to unify two variants of the rifle as much as possible, while the third required its own set of parts, which made the project too complicated.

    A rifle chambered for LM is needed for long-range shooting, where self-loading is less important than accuracy. Therefore, there is no special sense to fence necessarily on the basis of two other calibers. Make a bolt and you will be happy. Cheaper and easier. And unification is already superfluous here. IMHO.

    1. Genry
      Genry 25 May 2021 21: 06
      0
      Quote: K-50
      A rifle chambered for LM is needed for long-range shooting, where self-loading is less important than accuracy.

      The 8,6x70 cartridge is needed to hit targets in body armor, on and distance. For long distance, you already need a 10x100 cartridge and only a bolt.
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 25 May 2021 22: 03
        +2
        They told me about some of our sniper rifles (I met about 30 years ago, with the sailors). She had a feature: she could shoot both in automatic mode (gas extraction from the barrel) and in manual mode. To switch from one mode to another, it was necessary to turn the valve on the gas outlet tube. In general, I cut off the gas supply from the barrel to the piston - get a fixed bolt after firing. When the automation is turned off, to recharge, the shutter handle had to be pulled and released.
  • Givi_49
    Givi_49 25 May 2021 21: 10
    +1
    From the text I did not understand why the state tests of the product are carried out according to the ROC "Ugolyok"? Why does the state (army) need a .308 Win rifle (7,62x51 mm)?
    1. vl903
      vl903 25 May 2021 22: 18
      +3
      1. multi-caliber 308- 7.62x54 allows you to increase the series (this is practically one and the same rifle) and hence profitability. as in our time to count especially on the state order is not necessary. 308 caliber can be sold inside the Russian Federation and for export.
      2. counting on MO that it will someday give up 7.62x54. since it is not possible to make a reliable magazine for more than 10 rounds for it. and the machine-gun tape magazine under it is twice as difficult and heavier than under the 308.
      1. Luty
        Luty 25 May 2021 22: 41
        0
        We will never give up 7.62x54 or never in this manvantara)))))
      2. Decimalegio
        Decimalegio 26 May 2021 00: 03
        +2
        When we talk about weapons, I see that we always get along well. I am glad
      3. Sahalinets
        Sahalinets 26 May 2021 09: 07
        0
        A reliable magazine for 20 rounds for SVT and ABC was made during the war. It's just that the rifles themselves have almost disappeared among the troops ...
        1. vl903
          vl903 26 May 2021 11: 39
          0
          as far as I read the only reliable one is from svd. the rest work, but are not reliable by Russian standards.
    2. Genry
      Genry 25 May 2021 22: 20
      +5
      Quote: Givi_49
      Why does the state (army) need a .308 Win rifle (7,62x51 mm)?

      This is a cartridge specifically for magazine-fed automatic weapons.
      The Mosinsky cartridge is bad for magazines: it requires ordering when charging (so that the protruding rim does not catch the next cartridge), which can be easily broken by strong vibration or shock.
      1. Givi_49
        Givi_49 26 May 2021 23: 00
        +1
        This is clear to me. But is it possible to equip an SVD magazine with the hook of the next cartridge for the previous one?
        Why do we need it? Or is the production of similar cartridges 7,62x51 planned in Russia?
  • Kaw
    Kaw 25 May 2021 22: 04
    +3
    This site has already discussed this rifle and came to the conclusion that it is inferior in its characteristics to the SVD, if memory serves. I don't remember what exactly, it seems heavier, or something else. But apparently the money in our country has nowhere to go.
    1. vl903
      vl903 25 May 2021 22: 29
      +2
      Quote: Kaw
      This site has already discussed this rifle and came to the conclusion that it is inferior in its characteristics to the SVD, if memory serves. I don't remember what exactly, it seems heavier, or something else. But apparently the money in our country has nowhere to go.

      they probably also spoke about the Mosin rifle - "why? We do have a Berdan N2" or not - "with this Maxim machine gun we won't have enough ammunition!" ))))
      you cannot stand still, otherwise tomorrow our army will pay for it with their lives. you have to try hard testing and select the best all the time.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 25 May 2021 23: 45
        +1
        about the Mosin rifle - "why? We have Berdan N2"

        I don't think the analogy is appropriate. Over the past 50 years, everything that is possible has been squeezed out of the existing firearms-cartridge schemes. To drastically improve the performance, moreover, is cheap and almost impossible to reliably. IMHO - a certain technological limit has been reached. Until they switch to some liquid gunpowder or Gauss there - any type of new army weapon has largely drank the dough, nothing more.
        1. vl903
          vl903 26 May 2021 06: 51
          +1
          counterintelligence and execution should follow the saw as before 2000 years. so as not to click through the revolution in weapons, you should have several KB constantly smoking this topic, as it was in the USSR. but even without revolutions, the difference between ak74m and ak12 with a collimator (even taking into account childhood diseases ak12) will give in an abstract conflict not 100 deaths of ours soldier and 98 ... is that a lot or a little? can we afford such expenses? You yourself were there, as it were, feeling knowing that the Russian Federation saved a penny on you and sent you to the front line?
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 26 May 2021 10: 44
            0
            You can put a collimator on any barrel, for this AK-12 riveting is not at all necessary. Moreover, it seems that the decision is still ripening in the world that the transition to a small-caliber low-impulse cartridge was still a mistake .. And as for the losses, I assure you, the rifleman is one of their most recent reasons. It was like that back in the Second World War, and even more so now ..

            Once again - my deep IMHO that the AKM circuit squeezed out almost the maximum of the new cartridges. Masterpiece. And it is impossible to drastically improve it. It is of course necessary to sprinkle body kits, but making a new assault rifle is simply pointless for now.
            1. vl903
              vl903 26 May 2021 11: 36
              +1
              I agree to put in the millionth series, while there is no reason. but you have to constantly try to develop and test. The same collimator or optics or night sight on ak12 is more stable and more accurate. and this is how many lives. but with a low-impulse, this is not a mistake, it is a constant search for the best solution for the constantly changing battle conditions. here either do not immediately claim to be the first in the world or do not press on a penny
              1. paul3390
                paul3390 26 May 2021 11: 49
                0
                Fuck yourself - a penny .. belay Moreover, the cost of the experiment is also life. Avon - how many cases have amers in the same Afghanistan, when barmaley with the ancient Li-Enfield kept whole companies with their muzzles in the ground! For it was simply impossible to get it with a new standard weapon.
                1. vl903
                  vl903 26 May 2021 12: 37
                  +1
                  for the state, yes, a penny. if you do not destroy the school and succession, as you propose, by banning Russian "experiments", then there should be no deterioration in performance. improvement, then yes, still have to sweat for the percentage. and whether enfield is just an example of the fact that there are no universal solutions for all regions and situations (in the mountains it is better than 308 / 7.62x54, and in the forest-steppe 223 / 5,45x39) on the one hand, on the other hand, the Americans as soon as they felt that the spirit from the stones could not be reached with a rifleman, they probably called aviation with napalm, smoked a cigarette for half an hour and went on, and then complained to Congress that they needed something else to milk the Afghan? nothing!
                  1. paul3390
                    paul3390 26 May 2021 12: 40
                    -3
                    Where did I write about the ban on experiments ?? I said that the massive rearmament is a profanation of the idea, until a radically better option appeared !!
                    1. vl903
                      vl903 26 May 2021 12: 43
                      +1
                      on a massive scale I absolutely agree with you
  • Inspector
    Inspector 26 May 2021 00: 07
    0
    What other options does Russia have in this niche ???
  • Avior
    Avior 26 May 2021 02: 48
    +2
    Unclear
    But what about SVK-2016, which, as they wrote, began to replace SVD?
    Also multi-caliber, and also Kalashnikov.
    Does it look the same?

    How did the Kalashnikov rifle become the Chukavin rifle?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/world-weapons.ru/snajjperskie-vintovki/snajjperskaya-vintovka-kalashnikova.html/amp
    1. vl903
      vl903 26 May 2021 06: 55
      0
      this one seems to be the same. The question is why the rifle of the Kalashnikov concern was called and then the Chukavin rifle? probably purely marketing. and you do not think that the AK, PK Kalashnikov developed one. Kalashnikov is a Kalashnikov design bureau even in the USSR.
      1. Avior
        Avior 26 May 2021 07: 00
        +1
        Several years ago, a lot was written about SVK-2016, Now we see that microwave ovens are positioned as a completely new model
  • sen
    sen 26 May 2021 04: 16
    +2
    At the same time, the ROC "Ugolyok" is being carried out - its purpose is to provide rifles for foreign ammunition .308 Win (7,62x51 mm) and .338 Lapua Magnum (8,6x70 mm).

    For an anti-sniper rifle, a .408 rifle with delayed automatics is better (reloading is carried out after a shot to improve shooting accuracy). So far we only have a single-shot Lobaeva.
    1. vl903
      vl903 26 May 2021 06: 58
      +1
      Lobaev is this Orsis? Orsis seems to have been making good rifles for a long time already.
  • vl903
    vl903 26 May 2021 10: 45
    +1
    read about 300vmg and 0.408 ... thought a lot ...))) chic calibers. under a heavy bolt for extra shots. but if you do not chase extras, then self-loading with a reduced recoil impulse in an acceptable weight and the possibility of quick repeated shots are asked for them. type AEK something. reliability, complexity, weight and accuracy should be acceptable to a conventional army sniper.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 26 May 2021 11: 03
    0
    Why is microwave better than SVD?
    1. vl903
      vl903 26 May 2021 12: 01
      0
      a little more compact. a little easier with the installation of scopes. like it should be stronger by reducing the size.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 26 May 2021 13: 10
    +1
    Quote: vl903
    a little more compact. a little easier with the installation of scopes. like it should be stronger by reducing the size.

    There are no benefits globally.
    1. vl903
      vl903 26 May 2021 14: 05
      +2
      Quote: Pavel57
      Quote: vl903
      a little more compact. a little easier with the installation of scopes. like it should be stronger by reducing the size.

      There are no benefits globally.

      global is not visible. if you believe the advertising, then a little better svd for an ordinary sniper. although what's the difference? -Baby still give birth!
    2. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 30 May 2021 14: 23
      0
      I support. You know, this rifle looks like new foreign cars. Added a bit of dark plastic "under nickel plating" and here's a "modernized model". Get the money ready ...
  • Konnick
    Konnick 27 May 2021 06: 57
    0
    Quote: Alex777
    Although quick fire of 2-3 snipers with SVD at 1,5 kilometers

    Have you done this in practice?

    Immediately a question in the forehead ... in a sniper ... did ...
    No, I'm lucky.
    1. agond
      agond 27 May 2021 10: 59
      +2
      The picatinny rail takes up two-thirds of the rifle's length, really there are such long sights.
      1. Konnick
        Konnick 27 May 2021 11: 21
        0
        The picatinny rail takes up two-thirds of the rifle's length, are there really such long sights?

        This is for every crap, fashionable ... everyone does it. I also don't understand this device for a specific sniper weapon, of course, it's interesting to play around with the installation of a collimator, laser or just a flashlight for a private market, but for a military rifle it is often possible to change an optical sight to a thermal imaging sight without this dirt collector. SVD can do just fine without picatinny.
      2. vl903
        vl903 28 May 2021 06: 54
        0
        the long bar is like a standard cartridge caliber. and now you can shoot three different sights with different lengths and dimensions on a rifle and put them aside, then put them on and they will be shot. So in the future, any sights, even though ours are imported, will easily fit on a rifle. as standard for metric bolt threads. optional, but convenient. in addition, the mass for damping recoil is admissible for 308 caliber at least 5 kg. of which you need to pick up 300g on the side bracket. there is no more benefit from it. picatinny can be used to increase strength. with picatinny, the center of mass does not shift to the side. all these are little things. But let's say you are in battle, will you give up the additional probability of surviving, albeit 0,05 percent? progress cannot be stopped, and in wars the one who has the most progressive weapon survives. in this case, one must either immediately paws to the top or not stand still.
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 30 May 2021 14: 19
    +3
    M. Dragunov set the engineering "bar" of his SVD so high that it is still difficult to jump over it. Genius.