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In Poland: Airspace over Warsaw is still protected by Soviet S-200 air defense systems

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In Poland: Airspace over Warsaw is still protected by Soviet S-200 air defense systems

The Polish press decided to discuss the country's air defense system. It is noted that, despite the ambitious statements of the official Warsaw about the high costs of updating the army, some weapons are still Soviet models, often having exhausted their operational resource.


Information resource Defense 24 writes that Poland is trying to demonstrate how resources should be allocated in terms of updating the national air defense system, but is it possible ...

On the one hand, Warsaw orders the American Patriot systems (PAC-3 + modification), on the other hand, it continues to repair and maintain Soviet-made anti-aircraft missile systems in combat readiness.

From the material:

The skies over Warsaw continue to be covered by Soviet S-200 complexes. At the same time, Patriot systems were ordered in the amount of $ 4,75 billion.

At the same time, Poland is hatching plans to spend even more on re-equipping the country's air defense system, including the combined arms component. Earlier, Poland announced its readiness to allocate over $ 30 billion for these purposes for the period until 2035. In addition to Patriot complexes, Warsaw intends to purchase Israeli Spider systems. This is a short-range air defense system capable of intercepting air targets at a distance of no more than 35 kilometers. Today such complexes are operated in Singapore, Azerbaijan and some other countries of the world.

By the way, Poland is also going to purchase the American fifth generation F-35 fighters.

And against such a background, as they write in Poland, the illusion may arise that a completely new air defense system is being built in the country, "but this is not so." The main brigade for the protection of the airspace over Warsaw is still armed with the S-200 air defense systems, which have been on combat duty for about 40 years.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 24 May 2021 19: 00
    +14
    At the same time, Poland is hatching plans to spend even more on rearmament
    To ruin a poor country - give it F-35 and Patriot cruiser.
    1. lucul
      lucul 24 May 2021 19: 05
      0
      To ruin a poor country - present it with an F-35 and a Patriot cruiser.

      And now another UAV must be added))))))
      1. krot
        krot 25 May 2021 10: 56
        0
        Poles, like Sumerians or aunts, do not know how to do anything themselves .. Graze cattle and grow apples .. Slavs who try on the skin of the Anglo-Saxons will always be backward .. The USSR pulled them even in technical terms .. Therefore, they squeeze everything out of the S-200 to the last drop) And how developed our technical thinking is! smile
    2. Anachoret
      Anachoret 24 May 2021 22: 34
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      Only the USSR could give, and the States sell at exorbitant prices and seem to be selling, and when buyers start to service their purchases) it turns out that they took a loan and it is not a fact that they will be able to use this "purchase" if suddenly the relationship with the seller does not develop )))
    3. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 25 May 2021 00: 12
      +3
      In Poland: Airspace over Warsaw is still protected by Soviet S-200 air defense systems

      It's fake... negative
      Here is a literate article on the subject;
      LAW C-200 in the XXI century

      https://topwar.ru/91372-zrk-s-200-v-xxi-veke.html
  2. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 24 May 2021 19: 01
    +7
    If the tool works properly, why change it?
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 24 May 2021 19: 04
    +4
    By the way
    ... Indeed, by the way, these are already serious expenses ... as there the average man was sufficiently "inspired" to transfer all this. There will be consequences, for sure.
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty 24 May 2021 19: 08
    +7
    They need to spend a third of the budget on defense, buy more weapons from the USA, so that the status of a colony in eternal debt is guaranteed to them finally and irrevocably!
  5. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 24 May 2021 19: 23
    +6
    I do not believe. Already in 200, the C1994 did not have spare parts, we took spare parts from one launcher and put them on another. Lamps have not been produced for 40 years, relays are even larger, scrap metal. If it is worth it as an imitation.
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 24 May 2021 19: 28
      +3
      It was said back in the 200s that the element base was changed to a modern one on the C - 90. But where do they get fuel?
      1. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 25 May 2021 19: 28
        +1
        I do not understand how the entire filling can be replaced on the C200, it needs to be a new complex. It's much easier with a fuel and an oxidizer, nonsense.
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 25 May 2021 20: 10
          -1
          I don't know about all the filling. They wrote that they put a new "guidance head" and another that could be replaced with semiconductors. But then the range of the C - 300 was increased to 250 km. and the modernization of the C - 200 has lost its meaning.
    2. Toucan
      Toucan 24 May 2021 23: 54
      +2
      In Poland, the S-200VE were decommissioned more than 10 years ago. The S-125M1 remained from the Soviet legacy. The Poles transferred the launchers of these air defense systems to the chassis of the T-55 tanks.
  6. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 24 May 2021 19: 26
    +4
    The C-200 missiles are liquid-propellant, the fuel for them has not been produced for a long time. What do they fuel them with?
    1. Adler77
      Adler77 24 May 2021 19: 34
      +7
      Even in Syria there are C 200 workers, which is confirmed by our downed plane, and Poland will be even more able to keep them in working order.
      They also fired the cube during the last exercises.
      1. Toucan
        Toucan 25 May 2021 09: 49
        -1
        Quote: Adler77
        Even in Syria there are C 200 workers, which is confirmed by our downed plane, and Poland will be even more able to keep them in working order.
        They also fired the cube during the last exercises.

        Does the Polish Armed Forces have a "Cube" air defense system?
        1. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 25 May 2021 12: 25
          0
          They also have the T-72 skating. Air defense is an expensive thing to replace it with a new one, especially with its western counterpart.
          1. Toucan
            Toucan 25 May 2021 13: 05
            0
            I asked a specific question about the "Cube" ("Square"). What does the T-72 have to do with it? request
            1. Herman 4223
              Herman 4223 25 May 2021 15: 27
              0
              Sorry, I thought you were surprised by their presence.
        2. Adler77
          Adler77 26 May 2021 22: 52
          0
          Yes. According to some reports, a couple of dozen complexes
      2. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 25 May 2021 19: 35
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        Russia could supply spare parts to Syria, since there are dozens of divisions in the warehouses of this scrap metal (I myself handed over two divisions), but I don’t understand who could supply in Poland. I remember how we kept these monsters in combat readiness in the early 90s: there were no spare parts, the relays were sticking, there were no gaskets, the hydraulics were leaking. There was a dent on the automation unit: you put the rocket on preparation, but it does not go, you take a crowbar and hit the BA, the relay is unstuck and went off. The spare division was good, we took parts from it and put them on our launchers.
    2. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 25 May 2021 19: 30
      0
      And what is there to do with this fuel? The fuel was developed back in Germany in the 40s, and the oxidizing agent is nitric acid.
  7. Alexander Kopychev
    Alexander Kopychev 24 May 2021 19: 32
    -5
    Stop barking Poles - get the S-400!
  8. Andrey1966
    Andrey1966 24 May 2021 19: 32
    0
    Quote: TermNachTER
    The C-200 missiles are liquid-propellant, the fuel for them has not been produced for a long time. What do they fuel them with?

    Sorry for my French, probably fart. They have a lot of it.
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 25 May 2021 08: 04
      +1
      Your French is not bad, but there is one mistake. The substance you are talking about is gaseous. And the fuel for the C-200 missiles is liquid and, moreover, very poisonous. Calculations for refueling missiles worked at the OVZK.
  9. kventinasd
    kventinasd 24 May 2021 19: 39
    +12
    The skies over Warsaw continue to be covered by Soviet S-200 complexes. At the same time, Patriot systems were ordered in the amount of $ 4,75 billion.

    The height of the target destruction of the S-200 air defense system is up to 40 km, the radius is up to 255 km
    The height of the target destruction of the Patriot PAC-3 air defense system is up to 20 km, the radius of up to 100 km is a stupid piece of iron, and the cost exceeds the S-400 air defense system
    In short, grandmother to the wind, but the Poles are used to dancing under the owner.
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 24 May 2021 19: 46
      +3
      But on the trendy, on the mattress - we walk for all the money))) 0
    2. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 25 May 2021 19: 37
      0
      C200 single-channel, almost stationary, is destroyed in the lung.
  10. markant1970
    markant1970 24 May 2021 20: 07
    0
    They write that Poland has already transferred its S-200 from analog elements to digital ones. They also signed contracts for the modernization of Cubes and Os. There is no information on fuel
  11. akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 24 May 2021 20: 10
    +5
    Nothing good either, the C-200 is an excellent complex, despite its age.
    1. isv000
      isv000 24 May 2021 21: 35
      +2
      The old horse does not sport a furrow! He served in this complex as an urgent ... soldier hi
    2. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 25 May 2021 19: 39
      0
      Yes, he is not good, to protect him, you still need to keep a couple of divisions of medium and short-range complexes. C200 was developed against SR71 and AWACS, strike at low altitudes with several aircraft using HARMs and no C200.
      1. akarfoxhound
        akarfoxhound 25 May 2021 22: 26
        0
        Does it make him bad? When and with whom did complex air defense begin to consist of one (well, very universal) air defense system?
      2. isv000
        isv000 25 May 2021 22: 51
        0
        The group of S-200 divisions in a compartment with the S-300 division, supported on the periphery by the S-75 and S-125, made it possible to provide the American B-52 with sufficient amnesia regarding the cartography of the Eastern Arctic of the USSR ... hi
      3. isv000
        isv000 25 May 2021 23: 04
        0
        In the USSR, a dome air defense system was built, similar to the current cellular communication - one dome overlaps the other. All regional centers are generally located at a distance of 250 km from each other. The S-200 complex just met the requirements of its time - to protect large cities and industrial centers of the USSR, earlier systems were used to insure the S-200 themselves, at a later stage they reached the defense line and the S-300, to ensure the moment of recharging the batteries, etc. P.... soldier
  12. Petro_tut
    Petro_tut 24 May 2021 20: 35
    +1
    Well, pay in gold and there will be an iron dome 2.0
  13. Basarev
    Basarev 24 May 2021 21: 58
    0
    The Poles could buy the S-400 following the Turkish example. Or they could have created their own, completely new complex. But for this you need to creak your brain, you need a very serious education, science, industry, money ... And time, many years. I do not think that the political dwarfs ruling Poland will have the ability for such a feat.
  14. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 25 May 2021 02: 49
    +1
    Quote: Herman 4223
    If the tool works properly, why change it?

    Right.
    In skillful hands, this is a formidable weapon.
  15. mvg
    mvg 25 May 2021 02: 58
    -3
    S-200

    Considering the statistics of the S-200 in Syria, near-zero .. this complex generally needs to be removed from service. Another S-300 could be tested in real combat operations in order to temper the ardor of the hurray-patriots. He has already passed Karabakh, as well as Syria ..
    1. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 25 May 2021 19: 42
      +1
      Did you serve in the army, and even in the air defense? How the C200 works in skillful hands is very expensive to see, and the C300 in general is a fireworks display. The probability of hitting a C200 target is close to 1 if the calculation is normal. But the C200 has a lot of shortcomings, it will come off as the basis of air defense, for shelling at long range and altitude. The C200 makes planes fly low, and AWACS stay away, that's what you need.
      1. mvg
        mvg 25 May 2021 20: 20
        0
        The probability of hitting a C200 target is close to 1

        The S-200 air defense regiment in the 90s stood about 40 km from me. I had the best friend at that time, an air force. Not a launch operator.
        From personal observation, the s-200 perfectly knocks down civilian Boeings and Il-20s, while the 5V28 flew past the official maximum range. As far as I know, the complex has no more "military" victories. Although since 67, the air defense system has gone through several wars. Quite good statistics.
        1. isv000
          isv000 25 May 2021 23: 32
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          "... a military officer ..." - okay, at least not a mandavoshnik ... "... a friend, not a launch operator ..." actually there is a launch officer for this ..., From personal observations of the S-200: 2 missiles - 2 targets ... fool
          1. mvg
            mvg 25 May 2021 23: 36
            0
            From personal observations of the S-200: 2 missiles - 2 targets

            The targets were from radio-controlled MiG-15/17 flying at 4/5 thousand meters, strictly in a straight line? Are you seriously?
            //
            On April 14, 2018, the Syrian government used the S-200 air defense system to counter a missile strike by the United States, Britain and France in 2018 [32]. Eight missiles were fired, but no targets were hit [33].

            On May 10, 2018, the Syrian air defense system used the S-200 complexes, along with other air defense systems, to counter Israeli strikes. According to Israel's statements, one of the S-200 complexes was destroyed by return fire [34].

            On September 17, 2018, the Israeli Air Force tried to attack Iranian facilities in Syria, but ended up in the Syrian Institute of Industries [35] [36], there is no information about the injured Iranians, the Syrian air defense fire from the S-200 complex mistakenly shot down a Russian Il-20 aircraft ... In this case, 15 people died [37].
            //
            PS: This is how it looks more believable
            1. isv000
              isv000 25 May 2021 23: 45
              0
              Sary-Shagan ...
            2. Viktor Sergeev
              Viktor Sergeev 26 May 2021 08: 56
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              If the Arabs are sitting at the buttons, then they will not fight yet. If the air defense system is echeloned, and even our calculations, then it will not seem a little.
              And now I will explain why the Arabs have little use from the C200: firstly, the short distances to Israel, which allows the use of ground-based jamming systems, secondly, the terrain allows them to strike from super low altitudes, where the C200 is weak, Israel's air reconnaissance can detect a missile launch and to leave the affected area by diving, well, I think the Syrians are beating one plane at a time with one missile, a waste of ammunition.
              The C200 was not created to fight fighters, although if necessary it can do this (only preferably with three missiles per target), its task is to knock AWACS, jamming aircraft, reconnaissance aircraft.
              Do not try to analyze the use of air defense systems and systems, if you do not understand anything about them, this is what I am telling you as a C200 starter.
          2. Viktor Sergeev
            Viktor Sergeev 26 May 2021 08: 44
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            Well, all the same, to be honest, it is considered normal to fire two missiles, especially if the target is maneuverable.
        2. isv000
          isv000 25 May 2021 23: 47
          0
          In Libya - three striped aircraft - three missiles ... drinks
        3. Viktor Sergeev
          Viktor Sergeev 26 May 2021 08: 43
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          Maybe because the C200 was not actually used anywhere? I mean by normal calculations. Nobody actually knows that they shot down the C200 in several wars, only one thing is stated, but what is unknown in reality, because the C200 is too specific. By the way, it only went through Libya, it was not used anywhere else, I don't think Syria, the Arabs are still warriors.
          1. isv000
            isv000 26 May 2021 12: 19
            0
            ! 986th, Libya, three S-200 missiles - three American aircraft. After that, the Americans curtailed the air raids ...
      2. isv000
        isv000 25 May 2021 23: 23
        0
        And at a low level there is someone to meet them .. bully
        1. mvg
          mvg 25 May 2021 23: 38
          +1
          And lowly there is someone to meet them

          For example, Armor'i already meet air-to-ground missiles with their chests: I die, but I don't give up! I would say they are going to ram
          1. isv000
            isv000 25 May 2021 23: 50
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            The group of S-200 divisions in a compartment with the S-300 division, supported on the periphery by the S-75 and S-125, made it possible to provide the American B-52 with sufficient amnesia regarding the cartography of the Eastern Arctic of the USSR ... drinks
            1. Viktor Sergeev
              Viktor Sergeev 26 May 2021 08: 48
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              We were standing in a group of C200 divisions near Novosibirsk (two divisions), there was no cover with other complexes, from a word at all, since it was 300 kilometers to the nearest C50. It is too expensive to cover a complex capable of firing at one target with a whole bunch of others, just to he was not overwhelmed.
              1. isv000
                isv000 26 May 2021 12: 10
                0
                Norilsk, Mount Obryv, command post with S-300 and group S-200, below, near the city and airport - S-75 and S-125. And you had to stand in at least three divisions - with a technical ... hi
                1. isv000
                  isv000 26 May 2021 17: 32
                  0
                  I think you are just from the technical division ... wink
            2. mvg
              mvg 27 May 2021 08: 10
              -2
              sufficient amnesia regarding the cartography of the Eastern Arctic of the USSR

              Once again, for those in the tank ... The S-200 took part in more than one war and is now taking it .. but on the combat account of Boeing and Il-20, is this significant? Hundreds, if not thousands, of rockets (very expensive) have been fired.
              PS: How did you mix the whole hodgepodge in a heap, m S-75 and S-125 and S-200/300. The site had a series of articles from one of the few respected authors on Soviet air defense. I don't remember the moment when there was such a carousel in one heap.
              Only present-day Syria comes to mind, where really now there is everything that you have named.
              PPPS: In reality, the level of air defense is 1982 Lebanon, 1991/2003 Iraq, 1999 Yugoslavia, and 2015 is now Syria. This is a really confirmed level of Soviet air defense.
          2. Viktor Sergeev
            Viktor Sergeev 26 May 2021 12: 49
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            I'm afraid the Armor will not cope with the Charms, which are produced in packs, have a low RCS and high speed, especially if the Syrians control them.
        2. Viktor Sergeev
          Viktor Sergeev 26 May 2021 08: 45
          0
          I'm afraid where there is still C200 there is nothing to meet low-flying targets.
          1. isv000
            isv000 26 May 2021 12: 14
            0
            S-200 works from 30 meters - so, for information. But, of course, there is no point in hitting this stupid quadcopter ...
            1. Viktor Sergeev
              Viktor Sergeev 26 May 2021 12: 47
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              So for information: the minimum target height for the C200 is not 30 meters, but 300, it can work even lower, but defeat is not guaranteed. But even 300 meters is provided that the target is detected in advance and can be fired at at a distance of 40 km, otherwise it simply will not have time to turn around, aim, too long reaction time and a narrow radar beam, then, after 40 km. the minimum target height is constantly increasing. This data is correct if the radar is on a hill about 6 meters high, but if on the ground (as in Syria), then the minimum height will increase even faster. A modern aircraft can easily fly at 50-100 meters, after that it will make a slide and hit C200 with a pair of HARMs (proven tactics of using special F15 with PRLR) and no more than C200. This is why Buki, Torah and Armor are needed to drive the planes up.
              1. isv000
                isv000 26 May 2021 12: 51
                0
                Our ROC stood at an altitude of +25 m, and even on the top of a mountain ...
                1. Viktor Sergeev
                  Viktor Sergeev 26 May 2021 18: 09
                  0
                  We have 6 meters.
  16. NF68
    NF68 25 May 2021 16: 02
    0
    And here GDP and Russia are to blame?
  17. aries2200
    aries2200 26 May 2021 19: 07
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    and why desovitization still has not passed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! s200 is programmed for all Tan gliders ... the owners of the "sky" of pshekia can shoot down ... again RUSSIA will be blamed