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Union State. Foundation and roof

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Union State. Foundation and roof

"Cursed treaty"



The issue of the Treaty on the Union State and its “negative sides” is one of the main issues in the Belarusian information space. In any case, when it comes to foreign policy. And then this very agreement is immediately remembered and the talk about its danger for the independence of the Republic of Belarus is started.

However, this treaty has existed for 20 years already and nothing new (no new articles) has arisen in it. What was, it is. And the agreement itself remained mostly on paper.

That is, this very "immortal treaty" is simultaneously constantly mentioned in the sense that, they say, we are building the "Union State"? Are we building? After that, the active promotion of the topic of obtaining "economic preferences" begins. And "in parallel" almost the same people are actively campaigning for its abolition as "not corresponding to the ideals of independence." This is strange.

The Union State Treaty is a kind of "contract" or "protocol of intent." But it is impossible, after all, under the same contract to actively demand the receipt of funds and refuse to fulfill it? You have to choose one thing: either-or.

No I am not joking. In the Belarusian political consciousness, two ideas are being actively promoted in parallel: "The Union State is evil and a threat", "The Union State is the basis of all economic preferences from Russia."

It is extremely difficult to understand something here.

Apparently, we have before us some kind of "different type of thinking." Because it is absolutely unclear how one and the same idea (concept) can be moved in two opposite directions. Apparently, for this you need to be a Belarusian politician or journalist.

That is, on the one hand, no one is in a hurry to give up the benefits provided by Russia. Moreover, the topic of various “compensations” is being actively promoted there. I must say that this is, in fact, the number one topic in economic the news RB.

On the other hand, in the same news, the number one (or two) political topic is the threat of a "takeover" from Russia, embodied in the damned Treaty of Alliance. Moreover, both articles on both topics may appear in the same edition, and at the same time.

What literally provokes "split personality".

Strange Russian diplomacy


After studying all this "happiness" one simple question inevitably arises: why did we get in there? Why was it necessary to "interfere" with all this? Why weren't any diplomatic / political measures taken in advance? When did it become clear that events were not developing at all as planned? Have we been misunderstood? Well, so it was necessary to clarify. The performance "a la Babich" was supposed to have sounded 15 years earlier.

I understand that people “made careers” and they needed success in diplomacy. And those who were responsible for the Belarusian (as well as for the Ukrainian) direction categorically did not need scandals, and therefore the information was extremely positive. Say, all the way, "two brotherly peoples" and all that ...

And then scandals started anyway. And they began at the very moment when it turned out that for the Belarusians the treaty on the Union State was just paper (from the point of view their obligations). Quite recently, a version about a certain extension of Putin's powers through the prompt creation of a certain supranational structure (over the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation) was actively thrown into the Belarusian information space. Greater fiction is simply impossible to imagine. Over the course of 25 years, the Belarusians have clearly proved that no agreements with them just “do not work” after being signed. Even in the little things. The signed paper remains only a signed piece of paper. No more. And trusting her on a matter of such importance is simply suicidal.

Running ahead of the steam locomotive


“If you hurry, you will make people laugh” - this is how you can describe the results of Russian policy in the Belarusian direction.

Why was it possible to fence all these "megastructures" out of the blue? Which never worked? Wasn't it easier to start “on the ground”, that is, with the convergence of the customs, tax, trade and legislative spheres? And see what happens? Will it be possible to bring them closer together or not?

Here now we talked about all this, but a little late, isn't it? Normal people don't start building from the roof. And right now, conversations are beginning that something should be "brought together" there ... And it does not work out very well. The most (from the author's point of view) harmless example is linguistic. Well, both in Belarus and in the Russian Federation in the mid-90s (when it all began) they spoke exclusively in Russian. And they wrote on it, and this is not the merit of Lukashenka, and not the merit of the Belarusian authorities as a whole.

So, here, in this very sphere, over the past 20 years of "union construction" in the hero city of Minsk, a complete "translation" of the inscriptions from Russian into Belarusian and English has been made. Such is the "Union State".

I understand that our leaders needed a result, and immediately. Well, so they got it ... Please shave. One gets the impression that the very "agreement" was drawn up and signed not by statesmen, but by a flock of politically active members of the forum.

The general defense policy, the general policy in the industry - no one even considered all this. As a result, we got a kind of political "kitsch", a kind of outright guest worker hack in politics: there is a crooked and oblique structure of the "SG", but there is practically nothing "inside". Our negotiators greatly underestimated the cynicism of their counterparts: to wave a treaty, "resolve economic issues" and block any integration processes as much as possible, declaring them heresy.

This is, in general, "something with something." And when (after 20 years!) Someone in Moscow remembered that agreement, there were immediately speeches from Minsk about the fact that the SG is not so necessary, there is, after all, a good and suitable EAEU, so why “reinvent the wheel”? "Leaping off the topic" happened almost instantly. As soon as the desire to rely on documents signed a long time ago was really indicated, it immediately sounded: but no, it is no longer necessary, not relevant. That's it, let's go. "We continue to integrate", but already within the framework of the EAEU (we urgently change the appearance and passwords).

Integration "at a run" or the end of "naive politics"


And the idea is that from the very beginning it was necessary to put exactly and specifically the counterparty in such conditions that it was they who would promote the ideas of integration: loans and access to the market after reaching consensus. To receive something, you must first give something. Need to think it over carefully? Go think it over, we are not in a hurry. But did you want "quick results"? The bosses in Russia are very fond of “quick results”. Well, so we got them, "very fast" and very nasty. Extremely.

As a result, a whole generation of Belarusian politicians has grown up who know how to talk very well about fraternal friendship, smoothly transferring the conversation to “economic” issues, while “behind their backs” surrendering the interests of Russia and energetically pursuing a policy of Belarusianization. Is that so?

In general, any cooperation implies taking into account interests both sides, not one of them. For some reason, “in the course of the play” it became clear that “the interests of the Belarusian people” in the person of their best representative should be taken into account. And that all this SG should act only and exclusively in the interests of Belarus. And in general, the SG, it does not seem to include Belarus. This is just a form of interaction between the latter and Russia. But any uncomfortable question is immediately influenced by a powerful counterargument: “But we have a Union State with you! Well, how is that ?! "

When Belarusian politicians communicate with Ukraine, the Baltics or Europe, this very SG is not mentioned at all, because Belarus is an independent state!

Can you explain what we have formed as a result and who needs it at all?

Individual citizens of the Republic of Belarus were very fond of explaining what a fine fellow the dad is. When asked what this wonderful politician has done for Russia in 25 years of his rule, people begin to explain to you what he did for Belarus. Something like that.

Honestly, I recall the "classic of the genre": every politician in the world should, waking up, first of all ask himself, what can I do for Ukraine today, and falling asleep, ask myself, what have I done for Ukraine today ... Then more Ukrainian diplomats began to be "limited" to invite to all sorts of events.

That is, of course, Belarusian politicians and diplomats had to think about their country first and foremost when negotiating with Russia. But it was also not worth it to ignore the interests of the latter so frankly. Otherwise, a legitimate question arose: why?

In 20 years


And after 20 years, no real This very "state" did not want to be filled with content.

After 20 years and more than hundreds of billions of dollars received by Belarus as “assistance”, the issue of “coordinating visa policy” - in general, a “trivial” issue - was being resolved for a very long time. For some reason, Lukashenka “invented” an unprecedented, never before seen version of integration, in which, for example, he independently and unilaterally allows foreign tourists to enter the territory of that Union State, including Russia. After that, control at the border on the Russian side was tightened, and flights from Belarus were transferred from local to international airports. And Lukashenka was very offended by this.

This was even more evident in the customs policy. Where RB began to actively position itself as a kind of "back door" to the Russian market. That is, as if we have some kind of “common” Union State, and Minsk is pursuing an absolutely independent customs policy there. Great, of course, but why do we need this?

In general, the complete and absolute inability and even unwillingness of the Belarusians to come to an agreement about something was more clearly manifested here. They prefer to "act unilaterally." Throughout the territory of the SG, that is, "in Russia too." That is, from their point of view, there are some “stupid rules” in Russia, but they will operate according to Belarusian laws! And in the case of customs, the "Belarusian laws" in some sort of explicit manner apply to the whole of Russia. No, seriously, the Belarusians absolutely sincerely declare that the supplies of the European "sanction" to Russia Belarusian do not violate laws.

Once again: the entry of the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation into a certain structure presupposed a certain harmonization of legislation (yes, a certain loss of the sovereignty of the Republic of Belarus, yes!), Otherwise no "rapprochement" is possible. And overlaps constantly appear (for example, certain activities are allowed in one country of the SG and prohibited in another). But the Belarusians have chosen the "simplest" path: they are going to live and work in the SG exclusively according to "their" laws, fundamentally ignoring the Russian ones. And laws and food standards too. Wherein inside Belarus must act only Belarusian laws and standards (a sovereign country!).

Thus, it turned out "quite funny": a single and powerful Union State already exists, and even general there is no understanding of customs policy (the very first step towards such a merger) and is not expected. The cart was once again placed far ahead of the horse. Why is absolutely incomprehensible.

Integration on someone else's terms


If someone does not remember, then at one time on the path of creating a single currency, the father's desire to have "his own" emission center arose. Cool, of course. Especially considering all the incomparability of the economic potentials of the two countries. And the absolute subsidization of the little RB.

If anything, then at one time both West Germany and France were quite rich countries. And Benelux (in terms of level) was even richer than France, if that. Denmark and Great Britain were also not poor countries. I.e originally it was a "bunch of the rich." It was then that frankly not rich countries moved there.

In the case of Russia and Belarus, this was not the case.

There was no "equality", there was an absolutely terrible "disproportion". By the way, in Minsk they not only understood this, but literally felt it with their skin. This explains the attempts to "get closer" with China - you need to have some kind of "counterbalance" to Moscow, and, as it were, "inside the SG". But I'm wondering: is China also "integrating" into the SG? Or how? And what is this entrance courtyard? Arabs, Chinese ...

The small size and low economic potential of the Republic of Belarus initially presupposed the "inequality" of the "Moscow - Minsk" relations. How else? And where else was it?

Instead, we endlessly “set conditions”: the Belarusians agree to such conditions (and the list of conditions is constantly growing), and otherwise - nothing else.

I'm just trying to understand why the Belarusians should determine the future parameters of the unification, which will happen unclear when? Why not Russians and Belarusians together, but Belarusians in splendid isolation?

That's when this very blackmail begins: if you want ... And you, then, do not want to? Then why bother talking about it at all?

For some reason, it is customary to proceed from the fact that Russians themselves crave unification under any conditions. You know, not a fact. Not a fact at all. Especially "on any terms." At least today. There are not so many people on this planet who are eager to pay other people's debts and solve other people's economic problems.

Once again, the main problem of “integration” is precisely this: it is not customary to take an interest in the opinion and desires of the Russian side in Belarus in principle. People are too busy compiling a list of "grievances and grievances." Seriously, never I have not seen any attempts in the Belarusian press to understand the interests of Russia and Russians. What kind of integration in general? What are you talking about?

On the whole, an unusually paradoxical result can be stated: at the very "upper level" there is a certain abstract SG, into which we are constantly poked with their noses - they say, "it is being built." On the lower levels, there is absolutely nothing. That is, there is one roof from the whole building. And it hangs in the air, like the smile of a Cheshire cat.

Any attempts to do something in the area of ​​“laying the foundation” so that, for example, Belarusian foreign policy is oriented towards Russia, is met with hostility.

The Belarusian ideology is, in general, a fairy tale. The demand to bring dairy products supplied to Russia to Russian standards causes a stream of negativity and is demonstratively ignored.

With all this, Belarusianization is going on in the most active way in Belarus. But, you understand, we are building a Union State ...

Again - the building is being built from the foundation.

If there is no understanding of the general concept of development, if there are no common friends and enemies and a common defense policy, as well as a customs one, then what kind of Union State can we talk about?
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  1. Artyom Karagodin
    Artyom Karagodin 26 May 2021 18: 11
    +9
    Once again, the building is being built from the foundation.


    This is precisely the problem with Russia. There is no long-term state building project. We are marking time ...
    1. credo
      credo 26 May 2021 18: 15
      +1
      Quote: Artyom Karagodin
      Once again, the building is being built from the foundation.


      This is precisely the problem with Russia. There is no long-term state building project. We are marking time ...

      In your opinion, there are problems with this in Russia. Okay, let's take it for granted.
      Well, how is it the same in Belarus? Give examples.
      1. Artyom Karagodin
        Artyom Karagodin 26 May 2021 18: 26
        +8
        And what has Belarus to do with it? I was talking about our country. Although in Belarus, as in any post-Soviet country, the picture is about the same.
        1. credo
          credo 26 May 2021 18: 32
          -2
          Quote: Artyom Karagodin
          And what has Belarus to do with it? I was talking about our country. Although in Belarus, as in any post-Soviet country, the picture is about the same.

          How and what? We are discussing an article where we are talking about two parties to the contract.

          Since Russia, in your opinion, has problems with the construction of the Union State, I am wondering how this construction is being carried out on the part of Belarus.
          Maybe Lukashenka struggled all these years, he built everything and built first the foundation, then the walls, but we do not know anything about it.
          1. Artyom Karagodin
            Artyom Karagodin 26 May 2021 19: 21
            +6
            We are discussing an article where we are talking about two parties to the contract.

            And I meant the problem of goal-setting in Russia as a whole. Not only in relation to the construction of the SG.
            1. credo
              credo 26 May 2021 19: 31
              -5
              Quote: Artyom Karagodin
              We are discussing an article where we are talking about two parties to the contract.

              And I meant the problem of goal-setting in Russia as a whole. Not only in relation to the construction of the SG.

              And what exactly is the problem?
              For example, what is written in Art. 7 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation:
              "Article 7

              1. The Russian Federation is a social state whose policy is aimed at creating conditions that ensure a decent life and free development of a person.

              2. The Russian Federation protects the work and health of people, establishes a guaranteed minimum wage, provides state support for family, motherhood, fatherhood and childhood, disabled people and the elderly, develops a system of social services, establishes state pensions, benefits and other guarantees of social protection. "


              One of the goals of the state is quite specifically designated. Of course, not everything that is recorded in it is performed in full, well, in Belarus, this is not in full.
              So maybe together strives for this goal, and not act according to the principle - "We will build happiness for your money and decide how to spend it ourselves, just let us rhythmically and do not interfere in our affairs."
              1. Artyom Karagodin
                Artyom Karagodin 26 May 2021 19: 38
                +4
                I repeat: we are talking about different things, you did not understand me. Apparently, I needed to be more specific.
                1. credo
                  credo 26 May 2021 19: 41
                  -4
                  Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                  I repeat: we are talking about different things, you did not understand me. Apparently, I needed to be more specific.

                  There is a lot of space on the Internet, express yourself.
                  1. Artyom Karagodin
                    Artyom Karagodin 26 May 2021 20: 56
                    +4
                    Firstly, you should correctly arrange the cases in your sentence, and secondly, I did not give a reason to switch to a similar tone.
              2. Machito
                Machito 26 May 2021 20: 35
                +6
                Quote: credo
                Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                We are discussing an article where we are talking about two parties to the contract.

                And I meant the problem of goal-setting in Russia as a whole. Not only in relation to the construction of the SG.

                And what exactly is the problem?
                For example, what is written in Art. 7 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation:
                "Article 7

                1. The Russian Federation is a social state whose policy is aimed at creating conditions that ensure a decent life and free development of a person.

                2. The Russian Federation protects the work and health of people, establishes a guaranteed minimum wage, provides state support for family, motherhood, fatherhood and childhood, disabled people and the elderly, develops a system of social services, establishes state pensions, benefits and other guarantees of social protection. "


                One of the goals of the state is quite specifically designated. Of course, not everything that is recorded in it is performed in full, well, in Belarus, this is not in full.
                So maybe together strives for this goal, and not act according to the principle - "We will build happiness for your money and decide how to spend it ourselves, just let us rhythmically and do not interfere in our affairs."

                Russia is a social state. laughing lol
                Russia is a bourgeois-oligarchic republic that protects only the interests of wealthy citizens.
      2. RealPilot
        RealPilot 27 May 2021 00: 52
        +2
        The question of unification is becoming more acute. And at some point he will stand up completely with an edge when it is necessary to make the final choice.

        And if by that moment the parties have not worked out the conditions, then the very merger of states can occur without any conditions. That is, the entry of the Belarusian Federal District (republic) by 100% into the Russian legal field.

        In Crimea, the Ukrainian legislation of the pre-Maid era does not apply. The transitional period, although it was, ended long ago.
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 27 May 2021 07: 28
          +4
          Quote: RealPilot
          And if by that moment the parties have not worked out the conditions, then the very merger of states can occur without any conditions. That is, the entry of the Belarusian Federal District (republic) by 100% into the Russian legal field.

          When the SG was created, no merger was mentioned, it was supposed to create a Confederation consisting of two countries (with the possibility of other countries joining it) with the creation of a supranational superstructure - the Constitution, Parliament, currency, banking and customs system, army, budget .. ...
          At the moment, there is almost nothing of the above, the political and economic project has turned into a purely political one, which works more in favor of the Republic of Belarus ...
          It cannot be said that the Treaty itself turned out to be an empty place, not a single state in the CIS is so integrated and interconnected as the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation ...
          Nobody demands the impossible from the Republic of Belarus, they ask at least to support the Russian Federation in its foreign policy, the Russian Federation is ready to take over the rest (in principle, it is doing this already now) ...
          If the people of the Republic of Belarus gravitate towards the West, then the SG as a project should be curtailed ... because there is no benefit from it for the Russian Federation, and it is stupid to rely on the "phantom" (unlike the Republic of Belarus) of the Russian Federation ...
          Yes, and Father himself refers to the SG, only as a foreign policy and military factor (showing the empiricalists that the Republic of Belarus is more expensive for the Russian Federation than all other countries) ... and not as an economic factor ...
          I doubt that in the near future the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation will somehow speed up their integration even within the framework of the SG, Putin inherited this project from Tsar-Boris and he will not liquidate it (people will not understand) ..... and Batka is knows .... who will later say at all crossroads that the Russian Federation, having received a refusal to buy Belarusian enterprises, "revealed its true face" and left the SG itself ...
          Under Old Man, there will be no integration within the framework of the SG, he, as a "collective farm chairman", is now concerned with only one thing - the delegation of his power to Kolya and this project is more important for him than any SG, EAC, CSTO, SCO, CIS ...
          1. S. Smirnov
            S. Smirnov 28 May 2021 07: 40
            +20
            Quote: Lara Croft
            Putin inherited this project from Tsar-Boris and he will not liquidate it (people will not understand)

            Quote: Lara Croft
            Under Old Man, there will be no integration within the SG, he, as a "collective farm chairman", is now concerned with only one thing - the delegation of his power

            In other words, under the current leadership in the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus, it will not be possible to create any union state.
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 28 May 2021 19: 48
              0
              Quote: S Smirnov
              In other words, under the current leadership in the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus, it will not be possible to create any union state.

              I want to be wrong in my statements about the SG .... because, as one classic said: "..... you can only believe in Russia" ....
      3. businessv
        businessv 27 May 2021 22: 02
        +3
        Quote: credo
        Well, how is it the same in Belarus? Give examples.
        In the Republic of Belarus, 80% of production facilities were retained, if this were the case in the Russian Federation, then there would be no talk of any import substitution - there would be nothing to talk about. But the article dealt with the SG, so what's the difference what, how and where things are - this does not affect the common cause in any way due to the fact that everyone decides their own questions.
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        2. boni592807
          boni592807 28 May 2021 16: 31
          +2
          businessv (Vadim), Yesterday, 22:02, - "... But what about the same thing in Belarus? Give examples ...."
          In the Republic of Belarus, 80% of production facilities were retained, if this were the case in the Russian Federation, then there would be no talk of any import substitution - there would be nothing to talk about. But the article dealt with the SG, so what's the difference what, how and where things are - this does not affect the common cause in any way due to the fact that everyone decides their own questions.

          You actually indicated the basis of the brake of a real SG. repeat Imagine you and your friend have a common project - a picture. Everyone has different colors - white and black. You are invited to make a one-color by combining the existing one and paint a picture with it ?! drinks
          And so, Belarus has mainly preserved and develops production, science based on the legacy of the USSR good . What's in the RF? Belarus with SU close to the USSR. The period of survival of the USSR behind the Iron Curtain, which for some reason is attributed to the USSR. There was a period of striving for unambiguous integration of the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation. fellow But what happened in the Russian Federation? What now? On the example of China - one country "different economic" way. But, there, most of China with social policies, real control of not only the state. spheres of the economy, but private and very large companies. BUT how, the liberal and technical government of the Russian Federation was far from news with very promising projects. What remains But Butke ?! No.
          Without RF - the situation is complete North. Korea began to create, or head to the Russian Federation and all to dust, as the "blessed" 90s in the Russian Federation and further development. Those. But father, as he could and knew how, and turned (Xia). Not sawed !!!! Earlier, one of the participants in the discussion wrote - that, THIS is the Russian Federation has no vision or concept. request A simple example is a question to the servicemen, what is it like "having no analogues" without a soldier, an officer, a person - one created, the other did, the third serves on this technique. Technique, without a man, a piece of iron. And now, the question is, is everything good in the "Danish kingdom"? Old people incl. military pensions x at 0, 52, schoolchildren with the USE and a service in the form of education, Results - Kazan and this is not the final ... Continuous digitalization without goranties without-ty, like finances, as well as psychological warfare. Guests have flooded, and this with a million indigenous unemployed. But, on the other hand, THEY (guests) "stars" of TV - news of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, FSB. bully
          Everyone knows everything, but the road will be mastered by the one walking ... But, here they pressed again RB and what ...?
          Pomnitsa with Oh, Krajina, too, until 2014, everything is only a commodity - money-money-commodity and What? And How ?

          You may not be able to get to the late carriage, and the partners will not be too hungry (WW1, MV2, Yugoslavia, Serbia, Ukraine ...)I remember the song of A.B. Pugacheva: "... Be it or something, WELL, DO ANYTHING ...". ... hi
          1. businessv
            businessv 31 May 2021 13: 56
            0
            I wrote about this, the Republic of Bashkortostan is afraid of being dissolved in the Russian Federation for good reason.
    2. Sahalinets
      Sahalinets 28 May 2021 03: 40
      0
      Well, it was once created as a way to re-elect Yeltsin for a third term - like a new state, counting from scratch. Well, Luca thought that he would become the president of the SG. As soon as both ideas failed, the SG turned into a phantom, and terribly costly for Russia. I hope everyone has long understood that Old Man threw us and will continue to throw us.
      And here is the question for our absolutely inadequate, helpless, ill-considered foreign policy. That Luka, even the Tajiks are bending us down!
      1. businessv
        businessv 31 May 2021 13: 59
        +1
        Quote: Sahalinets
        Well, Luca thought that he would become the president of the SG.

        Well, if this happened, then with his approaches it would be a prosperous Union, which cannot be pulled into the pockets.
  2. Asad
    Asad 26 May 2021 18: 12
    +6
    There is no foundation yet, only "Wishlist" turning into hysterics. It is necessary to build together!
    1. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 26 May 2021 22: 02
      +3
      Quote: ASAD
      It is necessary to build together!

      With whom are you together? With Lukashenka? So he may be interested in the only option of the SG. Where he will have all the power. And it is desirable to be inherited. While he is at the helm in the Republic of Belarus, you can not stutter about any SG. yes
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 26 May 2021 22: 45
        -1
        In general, I have a picture in front of my eyes:
        Two aging peasants stand in front of a piece of bare land and exchange the former fantasies.
        "Do you remember when you dreamed of building a house here?"
        "Yes ... And to set up a garden next door" ....
        But everyone has completely different visions before their eyes - one has a house with columns and cherries in strict order, the other has a hut under slate, and branchy apple trees ...
        1. Roman070280
          Roman070280 27 May 2021 11: 56
          +6
          But everyone has completely different visions before their eyes - one has a house with columns and cherries in strict order, the other has a hut under slate, and branchy apple trees ...


          The main thing is that each of them has it all .. and a house with columns, and a hut .. They just managed to take care of themselves ..))
        2. Palestinian Cossack
          Palestinian Cossack 29 May 2021 13: 39
          +1
          The garden cannot be broken)))
      2. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 27 May 2021 08: 56
        +3
        The question here is whether it is generally possible to stutter about building a union state within the framework of capitalism. The communists who allegedly destroyed the great beautiful Russia were able to rebuild the country on new principles in much less time than Russia and Belarus are building a union state. And recently, there has been a general trend that Belarus will follow the path of Ukraine.
        1. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 27 May 2021 09: 02
          +3
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          And recently, there has been a general trend that Belarus will follow the path of Ukraine.

          Ugums. Only with a lag of 15-20 years. A generation has already grown up for which Russia is not a friend, not a matchmaker, not a brother, but a cow. Which needs to be milked, and in which case, and under the knife, for meat. But for any one should not love, for the scarcity of milk yield and the poverty of the weight gain.
          And so .. Dancing on a rake is a favorite hobby of those who rule the foreign policy of the Russian Federation.
      3. Per se.
        Per se. 27 May 2021 12: 50
        +3
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        With whom are you together? With Lukashenka?
        And who else stayed with us, with whom, perhaps, with Pashinyan or Aliyev?
        Lukashenka wants to keep the power, maybe our Vladimir Vladimirovich is ready to part with the power? We have interesting guys, ZIL in Moscow was covered with a copper basin, like many enterprises in Russia "optimized" what will happen to Belarus under our oligarchs ...
        The problem is that we have, in fact, different social systems, common only in the brotherhood of the people, the last thing that we have left, everything has been piled away from Russia.

        Let's hold elections, who will be the supreme presidents of a united White and Great Russia, Putin or Lukashenko. I think it's far from the fact that in Russia everyone will be for our real colonel.

        Here, sort it out with the oligarchs, socialism and capitalism, then you can talk not only about Belarus, but also about the USSR 2.0.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 27 May 2021 13: 07
          +3
          Quote: Per se.
          Let's hold elections, who will be the supreme presidents of a united White and Great Russia, Putin or Lukashenko. I think it's far from the fact that in Russia everyone will be for our real colonel.

          Here, in general, we are talking about the fact that the further the more likely it is that in such elections between Putin and Lukashenko, some incarnation of Navalny will eventually win. Our knee-gazers drove up.
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 27 May 2021 13: 11
            +1
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Our knee-gazers drove up.
            And whether they generally "rule", having picked up capitalism with a world leader and master of the entire system, that is the question.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 27 May 2021 14: 00
              -2
              The world leader is no longer a cake. Fever him. And a new contender for leadership is on the way. And we, as luck would have it, in this battle between a rock and a hard place.
        2. Tavrik
          Tavrik 28 May 2021 18: 13
          +2
          The problem is that we actually have different social systems,

          And there is. And here a paradoxical conclusion suggests itself: dad needs to get closer to ... China! What he seems to be trying to do.
          And appeals to a common history and "friendship of peoples" will go down in history, nostalgia will not go far.
  3. credo
    credo 26 May 2021 18: 12
    +1
    The title of the article turned out to be good, but the article itself is a complete mess and it looks like complete ignorance of the subject of discussion.
    It may not be worth blaming the failure of the treaty implementation on Russia if the other party to the treaty has never tried to fulfill it.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 26 May 2021 18: 39
      0
      Quote: credo
      It may not be worth blaming the failure of the treaty implementation on Russia if the other party to the treaty has never tried to fulfill it.

      Belarus has a large share of the public sector, which, in the event of a dad's failure, has already been divided. Are there their own Berezovskys ... Russian? They do not want to let sharks from the Central Bank go there, because run the Russian ruble there very quickly, the remnants of enterprises will go to scrap metal for foreign currency laughing .. Russia has only one way: - the organization of a number of state-owned enterprises of the same type as in Belarus and the integration of these enterprises with Belarusian ones into industry-forming ones, which will be able to pull along with them other types of business, like in China. But Russia will not do this due to personnel and ideological crises. Therefore, Russia is to blame, no matter how bitter it is to admit sad
      1. credo
        credo 26 May 2021 19: 03
        +5
        Quote: aybolyt678
        ... Therefore, Russia is to blame, no matter how bitter it is to admit it ...

        Still, with all the negative aspects manifested in Russia, I would like to ask - why does the opposite side show no initiative in building the Union State? BUT?

        Maybe it’s just me that the information that Belarus will do everything herself and that she doesn’t need to be taught wisdom, only reaches me:
        - give her Russian gas at Smolensk prices,
        - build her a nuclear power plant for Russian money, lower the interest to zero and stretch the loan until the end of the century,
        - buy local shrimps, parmesan and jamon from her, along with kiwi and other exotic fruits,
        - buy their goods at market prices, and sell yours at prices agreed with them,
        - and so on.

        So what is Russia still to blame for constantly making excuses to everyone. Some write that Russia did not do something there and therefore lost Ukraine, the latter sprinkle ashes on their heads and repent for all of Russia before Georgia, others blame us for our short-sighted policy with the Baltic states, Central Asia, Moldova, Armenia, Azerbaijan, the republics of the former Warsaw Pact and further around the world.

        Achieve gentlemen and ladies, otherwise you will be burdened with such a burden of guilt that you will not even raise your head from a prone position.
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 26 May 2021 21: 14
          +7
          Quote: credo
          So what is Russia still to blame for constantly making excuses to everyone. Some write that Russia did not do something there and therefore lost Ukraine

          your feelings and arguments are clear ... however, do not hang all the dogs on ordinary Belarusians. They have a cunning politician who imagined himself to be the master of the country, crushed the media, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Army ... disguises himself as a socialist, uses old-socialist management methods, but he himself thinks only about the material benefits of his country. Everything is tied to it! and we know where this leads! let's remember the unforgettable Muammar Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein ... Lukashenka will leave and Belarus will become a completely different country. Where possible, different clans will tear up the remnants of socialist property, and foreign assistants will distribute grants for the collapse of statehood. YOU read what I wrote to you:
          Quote: credo
          integration of these enterprises with Belarusian ones into industry-forming ones, which will be able to pull other types of business along with them

          Russia, as a larger country, should propose (force) to create really mutually beneficial cooperation in the field of high technologies precisely state-owned enterprises with plans for the development and attraction of all scientific resources. Take a step towards socialism, so to speak, using its advantages.
        2. Aleksandr21
          Aleksandr21 27 May 2021 09: 17
          +5
          Quote: credo
          So what is Russia still to blame for constantly making excuses to everyone. Some write that Russia did not do something there and therefore lost Ukraine, the latter sprinkle ashes on their heads and repent for all of Russia before Georgia, others blame us for our short-sighted policy with the Baltic states, Central Asia, Moldova, Armenia, Azerbaijan, the republics of the former Warsaw Pact and further around the world.


          In the case of Belarus, Russia is guilty (before its people) that we spend a lot of money from the Russian budget, but there is no result. And then questions arise .... why in Belarus young people adhere to Russophobic views? Where are the pro-Russian parties in Belarus? Why has the use of the Russian language decreased over 20 years and there is no single currency? Where did the money go and where are the results? I don’t understand this. If Russia is not interested in the Union State, then why was it necessary to subsidize the Belarusian economy (with loans, energy resources - at domestic prices, etc.), and if there is interest, then why did Russia not start to act in two decades, or in the Kremlin only money is able to distribute ?

          Ukraine is also a different story, Russia has perfectly sponsored the Ukrainian economy, after the collapse of the USSR, and still pays for gas transit (+ sponsors the Ukrainian industry - due to cheap gas prices, i.e. if it were European or American gas, then prices would be completely different), and the same questions ... where were the pro-Russian parties in 2014, why was the stake placed on the oligarchy (Medvedchuk, Akhmetov ...) and not on ideas? For example, Americans are excellent at working with the population and especially young people (they provide education with their own values ​​and views), NPOs also receive money for a reason, and successfully impose their values ​​... but why are we not capable of this? And what did the Kremlin do to prevent the Maidan in 2014, when the Americans destroyed the Eurasian Union (the one that should have been today). And for the rest of the CIS countries, a very mediocre policy ...
          1. Smirnov Mikhail
            Smirnov Mikhail 28 May 2021 02: 07
            -2
            Quote: Aleksandr21
            Why has the use of the Russian language decreased in 20 years


            Because Belarusians are not ethnic Russians. They have their own language ..
          2. Tavrik
            Tavrik 28 May 2021 18: 17
            +2
            Here, Americans are excellent at working with the population and especially young people (they give education with their own values ​​and views)

            Here it is important about "values ​​and attitudes". What are they? "Push your neighbor away, you shit on the bottom one"? What can we offer our neighbors besides economic benefits?
      2. Alexga
        Alexga 26 May 2021 19: 18
        +1
        Russia has only one way: - the organization of a number of state-owned enterprises of the same type as in the Republic of Belarus and the integration of these enterprises with Belarusian ones into industry-forming ones, which will be able to pull along with them other types of business, like in China.

        Absolutely right! The experience of China is more optimal for us than the American and Western European ones.
        1. Detnix
          Detnix 26 May 2021 19: 54
          +6
          China experience


          All this experience is built on investments in primitive industries and the opening of US markets for goods from China, without which no "Chinese miracle" happened. Now no one will provide such conditions for Russia, and if (hypothetically) they did, today's power nonentities are not able to use them.
          1. Smirnov Mikhail
            Smirnov Mikhail 28 May 2021 02: 10
            +1
            Are you seriously? Do you know how many kilowatt-hours the Chinese industry generates? And how many specialists are needed for such a generation? Three Gorges - is this the very primitive production? And China began to consume millions of tons of concrete, steel and cement solely thanks to the opening of American markets?
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 26 May 2021 21: 01
          0
          Quote: AlexGa
          The experience of China is more optimal for us

          So why are the results different? laughing
        3. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 27 May 2021 12: 06
          +1
          Quote: AlexGa
          Absolutely right! The experience of China is more optimal for us than the American and Western European ones.

          The experience of China is also the Soviet experience, and we are its carriers, at the same time rejecting
          1. Alexga
            Alexga 27 May 2021 12: 58
            +2
            This is how Lukashenka created the economy in the country as socialist as possible, which, of course, in modern conditions, looks somewhat strange. But for society, it was the maximum possible painless option. There were no particular shocks, although the ruble was depreciated in a terrible way.
            1. Smirnov Mikhail
              Smirnov Mikhail 28 May 2021 02: 14
              0
              Socialist economy is the domination of group A (production of means of production) over group B (production of consumer goods). A. Lukashenko has no energy (and material) base for the socialist economy. There is no oil, no atom, no large rivers, nothing. There is peat, but you won't get far on it.
      3. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 26 May 2021 20: 08
        +2
        Quote: aybolyt678
        They don't want to let sharks from the Central Bank go there, because run the Russian ruble there very quickly, the remains of the enterprises will go to scrap metal for foreign currency

        They are afraid why then they do not leave the SG and why did they enter the EAU then?
        There is only one way for Russia: - the organization of a number of state-owned enterprises of the same type as in the Republic of Belarus and the integration of these enterprises with Belarusian ones into industry-forming ones, which will be able to pull along with them other types of business, like in China.

        Those. without integration with enterprises of the Republic of Belarus, are Russian products uncompetitive? What you can’t hear here on VO, Belarusian enterprises cannot survive without the Russian market, don’t believe me, ask the "ancient Sumerians" ...
        Therefore, Russia is to blame, no matter how bitter it is to admit

        Again, the Russian Federation is to blame! What is it? What did not let the Republic of Belarus die in the 90s and is still the largest creditor for the Republic of Belarus, it is easy to change everything, we will remain guilty, but we will save the people's money. The Russian Federation should have pursued a pragmatic foreign policy with the CIS countries immediately after the collapse of the Union, and so they believe that the Russian Federation needs them more than we need them ...
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 27 May 2021 02: 42
          0
          Quote: Lara Croft
          it was necessary to pursue a pragmatic foreign policy with the CIS countries immediately after the collapse of the Union ...

        2. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 27 May 2021 14: 39
          +1
          Quote: Lara Croft
          Those. without integration with enterprises of the Republic of Belarus, are Russian products uncompetitive?

          I did not say that. It's just that it's easier and common interests appear.
          Quote: Lara Croft
          conduct a pragmatic foreign policy with the CIS countries

          Pragmatic means from the standpoint of benefits. Since 1991 it has been pragmatic, and what, where is Ukraine and where is Belarus?
      4. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 27 May 2021 09: 05
        +4
        Quote: aybolyt678
        But Russia will not do this due to personnel and ideological crises.

        Russia will not do this because we have capitalism. And Putin, as if all sorts of demagogues did not try to present him as almost the new Stalin, in fact, an ordinary liberal. Under whose leadership the privatization of state-owned enterprises continues and a whole bunch of enterprises have gone into oblivion due to alleged inefficiency. In reality, however, there was often only the inefficiency of the owners and state leadership. Some of which squeezed out on the dry Soviet legacy without investing in modernization, while others stupidly created all the conditions for this to happen for decades.
    2. businessv
      businessv 27 May 2021 22: 09
      +1
      Quote: credo
      It may not be worth blaming the failure of the treaty implementation on Russia if the other party to the treaty has never tried to fulfill it.
      Duc the author also wrote about it! Here's one example:
      In general, any cooperation implies taking into account the interests of both parties, and not one of them. For some reason, “in the course of the play” it became clear that “the interests of the Belarusian people” in the person of their best representative should be taken into account.
      and there are a lot of them. Read carefully wink
  4. paul3390
    paul3390 26 May 2021 18: 13
    +4
    And what does such a union mean for Belarus? Only one thing - everything will follow the patterns of the Russian Federation, the overwhelming majority of industry will have an immediate kirdyk, and the sweet remnants will immediately go to all kinds of Rotenbergs. Well - and all the other lovely realities of the modern Russian Federation, like there migrants and so on. Now the question is - why do Belarusians need it?

    Maybe - before pestering everyone with integration - first make your own country such that everyone themselves strives to integrate with a powerful, prosperous state with a bright future?
    1. Alexga
      Alexga 26 May 2021 18: 20
      -1
      Yes, the main thing was not fulfilled - equal conditions for all economic bodies of both states.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 26 May 2021 18: 43
        +1
        Quote: AlexGa
        Yes, the main thing was not fulfilled - equal conditions for all economic bodies of both states.

        the problem is that the Central Bank is a non-state entity
        1. Normal
          Normal 26 May 2021 22: 52
          0
          Quote: aybolyt678
          Central Bank - non-state education

          The Central Bank of the Russian Federation is the authority of the Russian Federation in the monetary and financial sphere.
          The status, goals of activity, functions and powers of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia) are determined by the Constitution of the Russian Federation and Federal Law No. 86-FZ of the Russian Federation, therefore, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation cannot be a "non-state entity"
          Do not spread the Fedorov heresy, it has long been exposed and refuted.
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 27 May 2021 08: 11
            +3
            Quote: Normal
            The Central Bank of the Russian Federation is the authority of the Russian Federation in the monetary and financial sphere.

            And why then the Ministry of Finance, can you enlighten?
            Quote: Normal
            cannot be a "non-state entity"
            +++ I'll probably agree with you here, in the part that the Central Bank is not outside the state, but OVER the state formation smile .
            In addition to the Constitution, there is also such a law of nature as the laws of money circulation. The monetary and financial sphere cannot be considered separately from the processes of interaction between man and nature, as a result of which there are products of labor intended for exchange - namely, Goods smile
            The Central Bank, having appropriated the function of Issuing money, removed itself from problems in the sphere of production
            I know you know the name of the Katasonov, type in YouTube: "The invisible assets of the owners of money. The 70s are a turning point in the history of mankind. V. Katasonov"
            He is there about the non-statehood of the Central Bank
            1. Normal
              Normal 27 May 2021 08: 53
              0
              Now to work. I will answer in the evening.
              1. Normal
                Normal 27 May 2021 23: 29
                +2
                I'm sorry it's so late.
                Quote: aybolyt678
                "The invisible assets of the owners of money. The 70s are a turning point in the history of mankind. V. Katasonov"
                He is there about the non-statehood of the Central Bank

                Katasonov ...
                I spent 33 minutes of my life (and I thought that I was smarter, very sorry.) On what everyone already knows, but is presented as a discovery, a revelation.

                I'll start from afar.
                In those almost epic times, the following theory was in use - "the central bank does not belong to the state."
                For the first time, if I am not mistaken, it was formulated by E. Fedorov within the framework of his heresy "we are in occupation." The basis of the heresy was "the priority of international law over the laws of the Russian Federation" and, in fact, "the central bank does not belong to the state" (there must have been something else, but I have already forgotten).
                But Fedorov himself made a rather strange impression on an adequate public, since he expounded his theory with an expression on his face that was clearly not of this world.
                And in support of the Fedorov heresy, designed to separate the first person of the state from the negative consequences of the policy determined by him, and imposing all the negative on anyone, but not on the first person, several characters were called up. Katasonov including. The good-looking old man made a positive impression and when asked why not print money for the development of production with a sweet, dismissive smile, he answered - "Karensi Board" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cCy304bLdQ), as if it were a given, law of nature. He was echoed by the rather controversial character of Demur.
                However, when the Central Bank, in order to close losses from the Olympics and the theft on it, collapsed the ruble, and the First Person with an "amazing" expression on his face said https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJo1YvNI6EQ, then, despite formal observance of "karensi borta", Katasonov suddenly immediately excluded this bogey from his vocabulary, and he himself disappeared from the information field for a long time. Apparently, in order not to contradict reality, it is too outrageous.
                Katasonov, what, the little boy did not understand what was really going on? Was it used "in the dark"?
                No, he deliberately misleads his viewers and your video is a confirmation of this. Here's what Katasonov says at 13:08 -
                "We are opening the website of the Central Bank. Main page, section Organizational and legal status - the Central Bank is not a government body. How is that?"
                Yes, that's it! Completely the proposal looks like this - "It is not a public authority, at the same time, its powers, by their legal nature, are to the functions of state power, since their implementation presupposes the use of measures of state coercion.
                But Katasonov does not say anything, therefore he misleads, deceives.
                In general, this whole "team" - Fedorov, Starikov, Khazin, Katasonov, Fursov, Delyagin, Satanovsky, each in his own way, to the extent of his competence and talent, perform the same function.
                Criticizing the Central Bank, the Government, the Duma, the Security Council and the SovFed, the Court, the Investigative Committee and the Prosecutor's Office, the Public Chamber, unnamed liberals, etc. they never mention in their criticism the one who, according to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, determines the policy. The boyars are always to blame for them, and the tsar is not that good, but is not even mentioned at all, since this cannot be done along with any negative.
                So there is no trust in Katasonov's words.
                1. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 28 May 2021 13: 38
                  +1
                  Quote: Normal
                  I'm sorry it's so late.

                  not too late, but unfortunately not on the case.
                  Quote: Normal
                  I'll start from afar.
                  the product started and finished very far
                  Quote: Normal
                  I wasted 33 minutes of my life
                  it is not obvious enough to understand that the Central Bank has too many powers and no responsibility.
                  You did not dissuade me that the Central Bank is a supranational entity
            2. Normal
              Normal 27 May 2021 23: 35
              -1
              Quote: aybolyt678
              And why then the Ministry of Finance, can you enlighten?
              No I can not. Because I do not want.
              Firstly, the question is not about salary.
              Secondly, I think that you yourself are able to find regulations defining the functions of both the Ministry of Finance and the Central Bank.
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 28 May 2021 13: 58
                +1
                Quote: Normal
                that you yourself are able to find regulations defining the functions of both the Ministry of Finance and the Central Bank

                so I determined that the Ministry of Finance has nothing to do with the world of finance (emission, loans, purchasing power, provision with means of production, etc.), and the Central Bank is a screen for the US Federal Reserve
                1. Normal
                  Normal 28 May 2021 18: 34
                  +1
                  Quote: aybolyt678
                  not obvious enough to figure it out

                  Undoubtedly. But I wrote about that video that you suggested.
                  And I spent hundreds of hours studying the issue of the Central Bank and arguing with opponents.

                  Quote: aybolyt678
                  You didn't dissuade me

                  Naturally.
                  To hope to dissuade an opponent with just one comment is the highest degree of naivety. For the entire time of my presence on the site, I, together with my colleagues, managed to convince only one person on this issue.

                  Quote: aybolyt678
                  The Central Bank has too many powers and no responsibility.

                  Perhaps (although not a fact).
                  But the first person in the state of the Central Bank in this respect is very far away.
                  As to China on all fours.

                  Quote: aybolyt678
                  I also determined that the Ministry of Finance to the world of finance (emission, ....................................... ) it does not matter

                  By itself.
                  I'm not a specialist in the Ministry of Finance, but I know that
                  1 ........................................ Money issue is carried out only By the Central Bank of the Russian Federation ........
                  https://legalacts.ru/doc/Konstitucija-RF/razdel-i/glava-3/statja-75/#100308

                  Federal Law of July 10.07.2002, 86 N 20.04.2021-FZ (as amended on April 4, XNUMX) "On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia) Article XNUMX.
                  The Bank of Russia performs the following functions:
                  .................................................. .................................................. ...
                  2) monopoly carries out cash issue
                  http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_37570/4f84b42935e2a5743f1b5e1591668be0c41b762d/

                  Consequently, the Ministry of Finance in relation to the issue is completely out of business.
                  In fact, the question initially was not about the Ministry of Finance, but about the Central Bank. The Ministry of Finance, in my opinion, unenlightened in this matter, is just a technical executor, nothing more. Office with clerks.

                  Quote: aybolyt678
                  and the Central Bank is a front for the US Federal Reserve

                  Substantiate this statement.
                  Only I ask you do not need videos with Fedorov, Starikov, Katasonov and so on. This https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPdovRjMORU is also not necessary, because it is long, tedious, deceitful, boring, not new and, in general, not interesting.
                  State it briefly, thesis, in your own words.
                  Links to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, laws and regulations are welcome.
                  Fragments of conspiracy theories as arguments - no.
                  For the sake of ridding you of delusions, I am ready to shake the old days and remember your relative youth.
                  Let's start
                  1. aybolyt678
                    aybolyt678 28 May 2021 21: 17
                    +1
                    Quote: Normal
                    Let's start

                    + + +
                    Quote: Normal
                    and the Central Bank is a front for the US Federal Reserve
                    Substantiate this statement.

                    I'll try, just turn on the logic smile
                    As an expert on laws, you probably know that the main task of the Central Bank is to maintain a balance between gold and foreign exchange reserves and money in circulation. That is, how much money in the gold and foreign exchange reserves should be in circulation. Based on this, it can be assumed that if you do not print rubles and put gold and foreign exchange reserves into circulation, then nothing will change, except that the feeder will disappear from the purchase price of the sale of currencies and the likelihood of defaults lol ... Everything will become transparent and understandable. But! very unpleasant. True, does she know a thing like that ...
                    Hence the Ruble is a repainted Dollar from here and the Federal Reserve Screen.
                    Do you know the concept of evolution, the goal of which is maximum independence from the environment? sometimes I evolve claws, teeth and sometimes coloration: sometimes frightening and sometimes masking. So, the evolution of the Power of Money is evident - from ostentatiously frightening to imperceptible, when they pretend to be "state" or have an alleged "legal nature of the state."
                    Legally, one can pull the ears that the Central Bank is responsible for something, however, every time the ruble depreciates sharply, and its purchasing power disappears somewhere, I think, where? where did the purchasing power of my million disappear ??? and I come to the obvious conclusion that it is redistributed to newly printed money. Where is the responsibility for maintaining the ruble exchange rate ?? When the percentage of inflation is pulled out of the wallet from the whole country! sometimes more than doubled! Where is the prosecutor's office? Where is the President?
                    I'll tell you: as soon as the president or the prosecutor's office pay attention to this, the War will start somewhere! since the power we are discussing is supranational and interstate.
                    thanks if you read it, don't consider it conspiracy, only the obvious truth
                    1. Normal
                      Normal 28 May 2021 23: 11
                      0
                      Thank you for the emotion, but it's all lyrics. Assumptions and assumptions. No factual. There is nothing to refute and nothing to argue with.
                      I will not quote in order to save time and space.
                      I answer line by line and in paragraphs.
                      Logic without factology is, at best, inferences, and at worst, inventions.
                      The main task of the Central Bank is the stability of the monetary system, and not the balance of the ZRV and the money supply. There is no direct and obligatory connection here.
                      To put into circulation the ZRV means paying salaries and pensions in gold bars and hard currency. Not seriously.
                      The "caresy board" rule has been refuted by practice. The Federal Reserve screen only exists in your reasoning.
                      The life of the fauna, the evolution of all living things and the environment is too diverse, is not included in the list of my competencies and has nothing to do with the state, money circulation and the Central Bank.
                      Legally, de iure, the Central Bank is responsible for the items listed in the law, but de facto is only responsible to the highest authorities of the Russian Federation and this is not the US Federal Reserve.
                      Your purchasing power has not disappeared, it went to plug holes in the budget created as a result of exorbitant spending on crazy projects, sporting events, salaries for propagandists, helping pseudo allies, palaces and show-offs. The Central Bank does not resolve the issue of the expediency of the above. The Central Bank solves the issue of financing the above by reducing your purchasing power. Again, it is not the US Federal Reserve that is wasting money, but the supreme power of the Russian Federation.
                      The Prosecutor General's Office in Moscow. st. Bolshaya Dmitrovka 15a bldg. 1.
                      The President is in the bunker. Either in Novo-Ogaryovo, or in Sochi.
                      Since the President does not raise the issue of removing the head of the Central Bank from the position of the Duma, it means that He is satisfied with everything. The President determines policy in the Russian Federation, not the US Federal Reserve.
                      I know, I heard. "If we do not fulfill the will of the West, they will remove us!" This Fedorov's nonsense is not an argument, just as any nonsense is not an argument.
                      There is no supranational authority other than the World Government, but it is unstructured, deeply conspiratorial, very mythological and clearly not the US Federal Reserve.

                      In general, I am disappointed. No facts or even plausible arguments. Only faith in their delusions called truth.
                      Not even conspiracy theories, but an emotional stream of consciousness.
                      It was not necessary to cite articles of the Constitution and the law on the Central Bank. My knowledge was not useful.
                      And I was hoping for a meaningful polemic.
                      Very sorry.
                      I wish you a speedy parting with illusions and delusions.
                      Read the Constitution of the Russian Federation and the Law on the Central Bank. Take it literally and literally.
                      All the best.
                      1. aybolyt678
                        aybolyt678 29 May 2021 10: 16
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                        Quote: Normal
                        No facts or even plausible arguments.

                        And you? - there is no time ... you yourself can ... I also fought in polemics, then I realized that overloading an opponent is harmful.
                        Let me remind you that there is Truth in philosophy: this is a person's opinion based on facts known to him, stated in his interests. Do you agree? so that's all you say is true, but I would like to get to the bottom of the truth, which is much wider laughing

                        Your equation:
                        Quote: Normal
                        The main task of the Central Bank is the stability of the monetary system
                        =
                        Quote: Normal
                        The Central Bank solves the issue of financing the above by reducing your purchasing power.

                        That is, stability = inflation ?? do not find a contradiction? smile

                        I agree with your thesis about a world government, I am ready to replace the Federal Reserve with a world government in my statements. Convinced yes

                        Quote: Normal
                        In general, I am disappointed.
                        you just come up very one-sided. From the side of the law, which is like a drawbar.
                        Quote: Normal
                        There is no supranational authority EXCEPT
                        it means that she still exists and I am glad that we are like-minded people drinks to understand what is the mistake
                      2. Normal
                        Normal 29 May 2021 10: 35
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                        Quote: aybolyt678
                        That is, stability = inflation ?? do not find a contradiction?

                        Not. The fall is also stable.
                        Inflation is hushed up for the sake of stability of the social and political situation.

                        Quote: aybolyt678
                        so it is still there

                        How so?
                        Here's my opinion on the matter.
                        https://topwar.ru/30081-bog-znaet-chto-tvoritsya.html
  5. credo
    credo 26 May 2021 18: 42
    +3
    Quote: paul3390
    And what does such a union mean for Belarus? Only one thing - everything will follow the patterns of the Russian Federation, the overwhelming majority of industry will have an immediate kirdyk, and the sweet remnants will immediately go to all kinds of Rotenbergs. Well - and all the other lovely realities of the modern Russian Federation, like there migrants and so on. Now the question is - why do Belarusians need it?

    Why invent horror stories if the marriage did not take place. Proceeding from such logic, it was not worth even talking about this topic, because Russia is big, and Belarus is small and every "villain" can offend her.
    As far as I remember, the same thing was spreading in Ukraine, in the light of the integration processes with Russia. But now, after the signing of an agreement between Ukraine and the EU, prosperity and prosperity have come in Ukraine, as Ukrainian and EU politicians tell us about this.
  6. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 26 May 2021 20: 16
    +2
    Quote: paul3390
    And what does such a union mean for Belarus? Only one thing - everything will follow the patterns of the Russian Federation, the overwhelming majority of industry will have an immediate kirdyk, and the sweet remnants will immediately go to all kinds of Rotenbergs. Well - and all the other lovely realities of the modern Russian Federation, like there migrants and so on. Now the question is - why do Belarusians need it?

    So whoever keeps them forcibly in the SG, let them come out ... or make them take loans from the Russian Federation ...
    Maybe - before pestering everyone with integration

    Troll? In vain. The agreement on the creation of the SG was signed by the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus, and for some reason the Russian Federation is sticking with the integration.
  7. My doctor
    My doctor 26 May 2021 21: 45
    +5
    Quote: paul3390
    And what does such a union mean for Belarus? Only one thing - everything will follow the patterns of the Russian Federation, the overwhelming majority of industry will have an immediate kirdyk, and the sweet remnants will immediately go to all kinds of Rotenbergs. Well - and all the other lovely realities of the modern Russian Federation, like there migrants and so on. Now the question is - why do Belarusians need it?

    Unfortunately, you are right for a completely different reason. The lion's share of the industry is supported by the budget. The budget, in turn, is replenished mainly by two concerns Belneftekhim and Belgorkhim.
    Enterprises not related to the processing of raw materials are maintained for the sake of employment of the population, and it is clear that a non-state owner does not need this.
  8. Lannan Shi
    Lannan Shi 26 May 2021 22: 15
    +1
    Quote: paul3390
    Only one thing - everything will follow the patterns of the Russian Federation, the overwhelming majority of industry will have an immediate kirdyk, and the sweet remnants will immediately go to all kinds of Rotenbergs.

    Um ... You know what it is. RB, at the moment, the country is a shuttle. Living exclusively on the traffic of the Russian Federation - eu. Often counterfeit. Germany, with its export-oriented economy, has a foreign trade turnover in the region of 50% of GDP. We, with our giant sale of resources, are in the region of 30. RB ... But RB 96 or 97% ....
    It's not about patterns or something else. And the fact that at the moment the economy of the Republic of Belarus is a leech that has stuck to the economy of the Russian Federation. And somehow it keeps afloat, simply because you, me, other citizens of the Russian Federation, monthly and daily pour a pretty penny, Lukashenka for living. That's the whole secret of his success. According to the IMF, direct and hidden injections of the Russian Federation into the economy of the Republic of Belarus amount to at least 10, maximum 25% of GDP. And even more simply, if tomorrow we switch from the Republic of Belarus to the usual trading regime, then in a month an economic collapse will begin in the Republic of Belarus.
    But if for me, then a quarter of a century to feed a foreign country, and even receiving boorish assaults in response ... Isn't it enough already?
  9. IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 27 May 2021 09: 25
    -2
    On the one hand, you're right. But the whole trick is that Belarus has its own Rotenbergs and Deripaska, so you shouldn't flatter yourself with "socialist" Belarus. That is why all this garbage with integration from Belarus.
  10. Smirnov Mikhail
    Smirnov Mikhail 28 May 2021 02: 16
    0
    Nobody will integrate. The ethnic factor hinders, because the Russian language is included with the integration.
  • SERGE ANT
    SERGE ANT 26 May 2021 18: 21
    +15
    In general, any cooperation implies taking into account the interests of both parties, and not one of them.
    Exactly so. Lukashenka at one of the Belarusian enterprises:
    Stop looking around, being fluffy and white. We have our own interests, our own state, and our own people.
    This means that when Belarus sells a Belarus tractor, a Palesse harvester, MAZ, MoAZ tractors and the entire line of industrial and agricultural products to the Russian Federation, the price should be market price, and when Belarus buys oil and gas from the Russian Federation, the price should be taking into account Slavic kinship and past history, well, or at least as in the Smolensk region ...? We also have our own interests.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 26 May 2021 18: 28
      0
      Excuse me - is it not so inside the Russian Federation? Our alligators buy resources at the domestic price, and they try to push their products in the same way as the world ones, including inside the country. So what is the question for the Belarusians then?
    2. Alexga
      Alexga 26 May 2021 18: 29
      -7
      This means that when Belarus sells the Belarus tractor, the Palesse combine, MAZ, MoAZ tractors and the entire line of industrial and agricultural products to the Russian Federation, the price should be market

      Share the source of the numbers.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 26 May 2021 18: 46
        +2
        Quote: AlexGa
        Share the source of the numbers.

        look at currency quotes smile Banks take currencies in the world and sell them in domestic laughing
  • Svarog
    Svarog 26 May 2021 18: 27
    0
    Once again, the building is being built from the foundation.

    If there is no understanding of the general concept of development, if there are no common friends and enemies and a common defense policy, as well as a customs one, then what kind of Union State can we talk about?

    That's right .. the foundation is ideology .. it does not and will not be in the colonial country ..
    1. Machito
      Machito 26 May 2021 20: 42
      -4
      Russian ideology - Olga Buzova and Rotenberg.
    2. Smirnov Mikhail
      Smirnov Mikhail 28 May 2021 02: 19
      0
      RF is not a colony. It is a sovereign state, embedded in the international division of labor as a supplier of raw materials / semi-finished products. And Russian citizens have an ideology. It was established back in Perestroika, and has not undergone any significant changes over 30 years.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 26 May 2021 18: 39
    +8
    You know, when you are afraid of something, it controls you, and those who are dishonest can also control you through this. A solid piece of Belarusian policy towards us is built on this simple manipulative approach. They know what we are afraid of - that the Bloc will pull the Baltic countries and the EU into their networks, that the Bloc will begin to orient itself to the west, that our military facilities will be driven into the Bloc and NATO "advisers" will appear. And as a consequence of all this, that we will have to lose something because of this, modernize, rebuild, and perhaps even arrange an "action" on our knees a la the Crimean operation. With all the accompanying skewed Western faces and a heap of inadequate sanctions.
    So we see the picture "if we put it on its own," and therefore, yes, we are determined to endlessly preserve and support the current power of the Blr, subsidize, sponsor, tolerate and cover. In Blr, Batkan understands this very well, there is no need to be seven inches in the forehead to catch it during his 26 years in power. And he uses this, actively poking the bottom of the boundaries of what is permitted with a probe - his rhetoric is exactly the same as described by the author - the territory of two extremes. All this, in general, is a purely rough, market-based approach - it does not bring the Russian Federation any kind of stability, whether strengthening or profit in the future.
    Sooner or later, Lukashenka will end. It doesn't matter if he wants to keep the power for the successor or he has no serious plans if the opposition will eat him up. One way or another, the authorities in the Bloc after Lukashenka can sharply make a feint with their ears a la 2014, and then - all our injections and efforts will laugh at the chickens - new people will refuse loans, dragging on the old song about "ask the bloody dictator", the national -sharmanka, the golden rain of Western support and grants will pour on the Bulba plantation. What are we going to do in such a situation? Correctly - to reflect. Once again, we will find ourselves in the position of the "strangler of young democracies" - that is, in this case, we are merging the round. Are there any healthy pro-Russian political forces not connected with Lukashenka in the Bloc today? If they are not there, then we will continue to hold on to Old Man like a crab, no matter what he does, but all this, unfortunately, is a delay in the inevitable ..
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 26 May 2021 19: 45
      +6
      [quoteIs there any healthy pro-Russian political forces not associated with Lukashenka in the Bloc today? If they are not there, then we will continue to hold on to Old Man like a crab, no matter what he does, but unfortunately all this is a delay in the inevitable ..] [/ quote]
      Good comment. Everything is correct.
    2. Avior
      Avior 26 May 2021 19: 46
      +2
      pro-Russian political forces not associated with Lukashenka

      Are there any pro-Russian ones connected with Lukashenka?
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 26 May 2021 20: 02
        +9
        Even if they are, look at the situation. A man has seized power with a stranglehold, people have been seizing on him for a long time, with every new trick of his, with every man-plane landed, with every new "conspiracy to assassinate" a solid part of healthy adults will hate him. And not only his-ANY forces that stand behind him and are the backbone of his power. And when one day it breaks through, they will not figure out who and from what motives supported him - these people are stupidly lustrated, defamed, etc., as it has already been repeatedly in the post-Soviet republics we have now lost. These people, if they are today at least responsible for something, the current government will remember everything. And accordingly, we will also get a piece of this pie - the more, the longer and more actively we support Lukashenka.
        This is a potentially stalemate situation, unfortunately - we have been betting on it for too long and deeply, repeating the dull mistakes that we have repeated endlessly with the "friendly socialist countries" and their sluggish old and hated "leaders". It is probably too late to change horses - because the dad is already beyond the brink of healthy mobilization, let's say, but at the same time he seems to be sitting and God knows how long he will sit (and what he is doing for this). If the end is not changed, then we will have an ally as he was - with all the ensuing and potentially impending bad resolution of this situation. The more the throne staggers under him, the more he will brainwash people, painting the Russian Federation with savory paints as a man-eating imperialist, the more resistance any of our policies will meet when it ends. He has complete freedom of hands - in a country where "groups of saboteurs", "attempts on the leader's life" and "work of foreign special services" regularly occur, anyone can be imprisoned, this knits our hands in terms of cooperation with any healthy forces.

        What to do with all this would be a good question.
        1. vvvjak
          vvvjak 27 May 2021 08: 57
          +2
          Generate sane thoughts. +2 from the Belarusian.
    3. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 27 May 2021 11: 33
      -2
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      Are there any healthy pro-Russian political forces not connected with Lukashenka in the Bloc today?

      Why should they be? It is a sovereign state with its own political and economic interests. And the local bourgeoisie is not interested in any integration, they are interested in panning at our expense. And the most remarkable thing is that the people of Belarus are not interested in this integration more and more. All this for obvious reasons. Wild stratification in the incomes of the population, lousy social services, chaos and disorder of the country outside the capitals and in some places too, participation in the conflict with the United States and the European Union, which is expressed by all sorts of unpleasant sanctions, stagnation in the economy, wild theft and sawing despite some attempts by the authorities to fix it situation. All this together creates a not at all such a pleasant image of the country as all sorts of bourgeois patriots see it from inside the Moscow Ring Road, physical or mental.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 27 May 2021 11: 43
        0
        I agree with all of you - our country as an "integrator" now looks extremely unappetizing, being a lump of external and internal problems and difficult relations with neighbors. However, the agreement exists, the money is called "piled up", there are preferences on our part - we did not force all this into Blr, and because in any transaction we have a completely logical right to expect the opposite part of the agreement. Otherwise, it turns out that they sell us a donut hole for real things (which, incidentally, in the case of our country, historically very often rolled, but in no way is the norm)
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 26 May 2021 19: 06
    +9
    And what's the point of this "ally"? The Republic of Belarus and the former "brothers" in the union are demanding live preferences, money for weapons in exchange for a diplomatic flash mob. Lukashenko, Yanukovych, other "gigolos" from the mountains and sands milk the state well. RF budget. In return, they promise to admit "our" corporations to their markets. Expenditures on foreign policy are budgetary, while gesheft is corporate. In this case, usually - "throw". Yanukovych lost 3 billion, Uzbeks strangled MTS, Lukashenka closed Baumgertner, etc. ...
    Not a single hysterical "estonia" has done as much damage to Russia as "integration" party-goers.

    ps Comrades from the PRC are promoting extraterritorial economic projects without "union budgets" and Ugolnikov's TV channels.
  • g_ae
    g_ae 26 May 2021 19: 11
    -14%
    Looked at the author. Everything is clear, you don't have to read it. Lukashenkologist gave birth to a mouse again. What's in a person's head? Bolkunets - 2.
    1. Alexga
      Alexga 26 May 2021 19: 24
      -13%
      I support, I myself did not want to get involved in Olezhka's creations, but I could not restrain myself. It is clear that the bulk of the commentators here draw their knowledge from sources such as tutbay. Can Russian affairs be judged by the publications of Meduza, Novaya Gazeta and Echo of Moscow? not to just ask: "Guys, what's going on there?"
      1. credo
        credo 26 May 2021 20: 33
        +3
        Quote: AlexGa
        I support, I myself did not want to get involved in Olezhka's creations, but I could not restrain myself. It is clear that the bulk of the commentators here draw their knowledge from sources such as tutbay. Can Russian affairs be judged by the publications of Meduza, Novaya Gazeta and Echo of Moscow? not to just ask: "Guys, what's going on there?"

        Well, share with us what they say and write in Belarus about the Union State and who is putting obstacles in its implementation. Maybe the author of the article is really right, but we do not know about it.
    2. Smirnov Mikhail
      Smirnov Mikhail 28 May 2021 02: 27
      0
      The author starts from the realities that he sees from his E-burg. That there is a serial film called "Union State". The series has been running for several dozen seasons, Santa Barbara and Slave Izaura were not even close. And the movie starts to be quite annoying, including the cast, which hasn't changed since the pilot episode.
  • cniza
    cniza 26 May 2021 19: 18
    +5
    With all this, Belarusianization is going on in the most active way in Belarus. But, you understand, we are building a Union State ...


    It's hard to disagree with this ...
    1. Alexga
      Alexga 26 May 2021 19: 34
      -7
      With all this, Belarusianization is going on in the most active way in Belarus.

      What is it like? Maybe I live on another planet?
  • Avior
    Avior 26 May 2021 19: 59
    +1
    The small size and low economic potential of the Republic of Belarus initially presupposed the “inequality” of relations between Moscow and Minsk. How else?

    What about? The thought is logical.
    Only now, at least somehow it was reflected in the agreement with Belarus? No, sheer equality. Apparently, at first, the agreement should not be drawn up according to the principle "we write three, two in the mind", otherwise everyone has a different mind, which Lukashenka has been using for many years.
  • d1975
    d1975 26 May 2021 20: 10
    +5
    What union state? After all, it is clear that Belarus and Russia should be made one whole.
    1. Trickster
      Trickster 26 May 2021 21: 05
      -6
      Absolutely true, a united state of Belarus. Belarusian brains and Russian resources.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 26 May 2021 21: 13
    +1
    The foundation was there, but the walls were broken. There are big contradictions on this issue. In both countries, and if there is a union treaty, it will be on the basis of a confederation.
  • north 2
    north 2 26 May 2021 21: 15
    +4
    Today Lukashenko again stated that there is no question of Belarus joining Russia, since, they say, Russia will get huge problems from the West. So that's it. I don’t think that Putin doesn’t take the effort, but Lukashenko cannot convince Lukashenko that Russia suffers more from the non-inclusion of Belarus into Russia than possible problems from the West if Belarus becomes part of Russia, Putin cannot convince Lukashenko. But in order to convince Lukashenka, Putin must have imperial genes prevailing over commercial genes. Because it would be a project to recreate the Russian Empire. However, Putin's commercial genes are not very strong either, seeing how Lukashenko has been milking Russia for twenty years. But the project of a union state with Belarus is a project to draw water with a sieve ...
  • pytar
    pytar 26 May 2021 22: 15
    -3
    Interesting article. Gives a look at the situation from the point of view of / part / Russians. Puzzled by this passage:
    With all this, in the most active way Belarusization is underway in the Republic of Belarus. But, you understand, we are building a Union State ...

    What else should go? belay
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 27 May 2021 13: 53
      -2
      Quote: pytar
      What else should go?

      Petty-bourgeois Bulgarian chauvinism prevents you from thinking right. Russization should go. Actually, like in Bulgaria.
      1. pytar
        pytar 27 May 2021 18: 45
        0
        Petty-bourgeois Bulgarian chauvinism prevents you from thinking right.

        Serious? belay
        Russization should go. Actually, like in Bulgaria.

        What is it then?
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 27 May 2021 19: 31
          -1
          Quote: pytar
          Serious?

          Exactly.
          Quote: pytar
          What is it then?

          Historical inevitability.
          1. pytar
            pytar 27 May 2021 21: 39
            0
            Historical inevitability.

            Che said something like that from one other character who brought a lot of fire to mankind. He finished badly, swallowed poison in his underground bunker ... such a historical inevitability yes
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 27 May 2021 21: 44
              -1
              Quote: pytar
              Che said something like that from one other character who brought a lot of fire to mankind. He finished badly, swallowed poison in his underground bunker ... such a historical inevitability

              And who was this Bulgarian? I am not very aware of your historical figures.
              1. pytar
                pytar 27 May 2021 21: 50
                -1
                And who was this Bulgarian? I am not very aware of your historical figures.

                Not Bulgarian. Date of event - April 30, 1945. Place of event - Führerbunker, Berlin.
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 27 May 2021 21: 54
                  -1
                  How does Hitler, as I understand it, have to do with Bulgaria? Something has brought you to the wrong steppe. Or rather, a bunker.
    2. Smirnov Mikhail
      Smirnov Mikhail 28 May 2021 02: 33
      +1
      In the opinion of the author and those who joined in the comments, you should have russification. That you are not ethnic Russians, that you have your own history and your own language, nobody cares.
      1. pytar
        pytar 28 May 2021 10: 36
        0
        In the opinion of the author and those who joined in the comments, you should have russification. That you are not ethnic Russians, that you have your own history and your own language, nobody cares.

        I wonder how they would react if someone announced a similar assimilation plan for their people! They will say - "he is a Nazi" and it will be true! And even more interesting by what methods they intend to realize their intentions! belay
        It is depressing that under one form or another, such opinions, when covered, when open, are often found on ru-forums and rus-media. I'm not surprised that Russia has fewer and fewer friends in the world ... Even the most sworn Russophile, if he reads this, will have hair! request
  • Pamir
    Pamir 26 May 2021 22: 33
    +4
    I agree with the author. Probably the under-draft of the SG is time to curtail or change radically. Since there are no clear points in it, okay RB (all hares want to drive), it's not for nothing that even the GDP is stuck in the creation of the SG, because the question is for us, and what it declares (what purpose) is the Russian Federation itself in it? There is no clear understanding, but what in the end we ourselves want to see in the final? The SG project is completely crude, it was created immediately after the collapse of the USSR, when some loyal republics, out of fear for the future, huddled like a mother to the Russian Federation, the former Republic of Ingushetia and the former main forming ridge of the USSR. For 30 years, everything has changed, all states have grown their own nomenclature. They learned, as they believe, to live and solve their sovereign economic issues, only by old methods, with the receipt of subsidies from the Russian Federation and with its almost tacit consent, often with less benefits for the Russian Federation, and without taking into account its interests, about which we are somehow embarrassed to declare, they will be offended. guys, bye, scatter, andwe live, but now everyone is on their own pennies, not looking at the neighbor and not counting on discounts from a good neighbor, and without looking back at his VS. Will there be hard times? Let's talk, but with clear intentions, without any in general, someday, maybe, but in the case, with the immediate execution of a new contract with dependent direct obligations and taking into account the interests of the Russian Federation itself.
    But first of all, we need to bring our industrial economy into proper condition for a long time and also without looking back at our neighbors for now. They want to live sovereignly, not a problem, only there must be understanding, in this case, the entire trade turnover is under direct contracts, taking into account the receipt of financial resources. the benefits of sellers on both sides, and the costs of buyers, without discounts on the declared ephemeral brotherhood. Something like that, probably, as an opinion.
  • Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 26 May 2021 22: 35
    +3
    The current crisis over the landing of a liner with passengers in Minsk and the arrest of a Belarusian traitor should put an end to our relations with Belarus. Much will depend on V.V. Putin. Yes, Russia has no allies, but Belarus and Lukashenko are not our ally, but blackmailers who solve their mercantile issues behind the back of Russia and to the detriment of our country. There will be no movement on their part for further integration between our countries - we need to use tobacco apart from Luka. Let them play further with the West in their games with Makei.
  • Nitarius
    Nitarius 27 May 2021 05: 15
    -2
    There is a clear understanding ... how it should be! dad slips! If something is not said to the people .. and the authors invent what they have to say! the people are One and enough to roll over the ears author
  • parusnik
    parusnik 27 May 2021 06: 06
    +6
    The Union Treaty is an abandoned construction site. A pit, for the foundation, and even then they didn’t dig deep enough.
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 27 May 2021 08: 10
    +3
    What is unification? First of all, a compromise, mutual concessions. And there is nothing of the kind in the relationship between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus, and probably will not be.
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 27 May 2021 11: 53
    +3
    Old songs about the main thing ..
    People at every convenient occasion are poured into their ears about allies and fraternal peoples .. People bleats happily in response ..
    If nothing has reached a person in 20 years, then you can no longer hesitate to push him any nonsense, which is what our authorities are happy to do.

    Shl .. for a second .. Once, at the beginning of the last century, in the same territory, the same people also wanted to create a new union state ..
    And they created !!
    Because they really wanted to ..
  • Remo
    Remo 27 May 2021 14: 28
    -2
    I remember how 20 years ago people in Belarus rejoiced over the SG treaty. Everyone was inspired, expecting the unification of laws, the Russian ruble, the general army, etc. As a result, the border between the Republic of Bashkortostan and the Russian Federation was no longer, the Russian militia ceased to bribe Belarusians for money and there was an opportunity to legally work in the Russian Federation, communication between countries ceased to be international.
    And what about Russia? And in Russia, people did not even know and did not hear about any SG. I still remember how at the Belorussky railway station in the year 2016 one woman was very surprised why I bought a ticket at the ticket office of the internal route to Minsk. This is abroad!)))
    If Russia had immediately started work on the creation of the SG, the results would have been completely different.
    And now Lukashenka, accustomed to being a leech on the body of Russia, has raised a new generation of Belarusians who do not need integration.
    Therefore, it was necessary to remember much earlier about SG
  • Smirnov Mikhail
    Smirnov Mikhail 28 May 2021 02: 02
    0
    Was the author banned? Something is missing ..
  • Radikal
    Radikal 28 May 2021 04: 51
    0
    If there is no understanding of the general concept of development, if there are no common friends and enemies and a common defense policy, as well as a customs one, then what kind of Union State can we talk about?

    Not about any. Who do you propose to build it to? To those who experience an orgasm from the fact that the USSR was destroyed? To those who believe that this was a dead-end branch of the development of society? Who are you calling at all - the author ?! None of this public, which is in power, nothing positive, can not build, create by definition - they set the wrong tasks for themselves! Not for that they brought down the USSR!
    Do you regularly listen to the tsar's speeches? What do they say to you about the Soviet Union? That's it. And you mean some kind of union, God forgive me ... education. The question was asked to Old Man - is he ready to hand over the country with all the assets to the Moscow fraternity, or not? If you are not ready - get oil, and all other hydrocarbons at a special price, for this the people will eat you themselves. And to the heap a conspiracy that we ourselves will reveal, and you will be grateful to us for this. Here's the picture, the author. sad
  • Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 28 May 2021 17: 23
    +1
    Quote: RealPilot
    In Crimea

    Until Luka moves to the Rublevo-Uspenskoe highway, under the warm barrel of Yanyk, Crimea will not be recognized as Russian in Belarus.
    Moreover, the Russian ₽ will not become the union currency.
    Luka made a nightmare of the Belarusian volunteer soldiers of Novorossiya, and he “kissed the Belarusian chastisers from Azov,” and they lived happily ever after in Minsk.

    https://t.me/infobomb/1210
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 28 May 2021 17: 38
    0
    С
    Strange Russian diplomacy
    This would be the end. This is a series of betrayal of our national interests and OUR people both in Belarus and in Ukraine.
    Not a nationalist and not a chauvinist even once, but a half-breed Jew and a Georgian Armenian cannot understand our soul.
    Well, they do not have the call of blood and genes, there is no boiling water in their veins and gnashing of teeth when they beat us wherever we are and no matter how they call us - Russians, Great Ros, Ukrainians, Rusyns, Rusichi, Belarusians, Lithuanians, etc. ... We are being torn to pieces and divided by pushing our foreheads brother against brother, striving to win and enslave one by one.