Tokyo declassified documents on USSR plans to transfer two islands of the South Kuriles to Japan

The Soviet Union considered the option according to which it was ready to recognize the Japanese part of the Kuril ridge in order to settle the territorial dispute. Tokyo recently declassified documents on the USSR's plans to transfer two South Kuril Islands to Japan.

The Japanese news agency Kyodo News writes about it.

It is reported that in 1972, Moscow intended to give Tokyo two of the four small islands belonging to the South Kuril Islands and located near Hokkaido. The transfer to Japan of Shikotan and Habomai (which is a small archipelago) was supposed.

The reason for this decision by the Kremlin was the likely normalization of relations between Tokyo and Beijing. Moscow feared that China would make every effort to prevent the conclusion of a peace Soviet-Japanese treaty. In particular, the KGB, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Defense of the USSR warned about this.

Moscow's calculation was that the Japanese would give guarantees of non-aggression on their part and on the part of the American contingent stationed in Japan. But this deal did not take place, since Tokyo demanded the return of four South Kuril Islands at once. Because of these differences, the peace treaty was never concluded.

Today, according to a statement made by Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihido Sugi in March, Tokyo wants to solve the "problem of the Northern Territories" (as the Russian Kurils are called in Japan) by diplomatic means. Russian officials, for their part, have repeatedly stated that the Kuril Islands are an integral part of the Russian Federation. At the same time, radicals in Japan continue to insist that Russia "give Japan four islands."

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[BAI]

But this deal did not take place, since Tokyo demanded the return of four South Kuril Islands at once.

Greed has ruined the frayer. I hope it will continue to ruin.

[Alex777]

Declassified! The truth has been hidden from the Japanese people for so many years!

[orionvitt]

Quote: Alex777

Declassified! The truth has been hidden from the Japanese people for so many years!

Yesterday I learned from reliable sources that America in the 70s wanted to return the Aleutian Islands to the USSR, along with all of Alaska, in exchange for guarantees that the USSR would not attack America .. Something like this. I just don't understand who this Japanese nonsense is for.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Silly Japanese! Now fiercely scratch your turnips and tear your hair where you can, out of annoyance that you did not agree earlier. And now - that's it, Russia has passed a law prohibiting squandering "Kemsky volosts". And why? The reason yours greed. And "greed - as the English poet of the 14th century Geoffrey Chaucer said - is the root of all evil"!

[Anachoret]

It's not so much greed here as juggling facts)
It turns out from the message of the Japanese that the transfer of the islands was thwarted because of China, and not because Japan refused to comply with the requirements of the USSR when transferring these two islands - neutral status and refusal to deploy American bases on Japanese territory)))

[NIKN]

They wanted, did not want, what difference does it make, there are many who wanted what. The fact is determined by the constitution. Declassified, but what's the secret in the fact that someone wanted something? Can "declassify" Stalin's opinion at dinner, about Japan in the 45th?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: NIKNN

Declassified, but what's the secret in the fact that someone wanted something?

And it is not clear why there was such secrecy of this "Wishlist" on the part of Tokyo?
Rather, the Japanese did not want the world to know that Tokyo did not want to withdraw US troops from Japan, although there is no secret here either.
There can be no negotiations anymore, but the Japanese have the audacity, given the presence of American troops on their territory, to make claims to Russia. Quite "the Ramses have beguiled."

[Alex777]

And it is not clear why there was such secrecy of this "Wishlist" on the part of Tokyo?

Everything is clear here: what the States say, the Japanese do.
But the Japanese people are not very pleased to realize this.

[fruc]

Maybe someone else will declassify something. And then after our Khrushchevs, Brezhnevs, Gorbachevs, Yeltsins, Shevardnadze and Kozyrevs there is a whole line of people who want to grab a piece of land or the sea shelf of our country?

[knn54]

Interestingly, does the Japanese "People" know about the readiness of the Japanese authorities to transfer (during the Second World War) to the USSR Hokkaido in exchange for its neutrality?

[Woodman]

Quote: knn54

Interestingly, does the Japanese "People" know about the readiness of the Japanese authorities to transfer (during the Second World War) to the USSR Hokkaido in exchange for its neutrality?

This is the first time I've heard ... But I'm not a Japanese people, if anything)

[Sands Careers General]

In general, that was the case. After the defeat of the Kwantung grouping and the atomic bombing, it was possible to squeeze out half of Japan in favor of the Soviet Union.

[falx]

an interesting fact. but only for historians.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Falx

an interesting fact. but only for historians.

Yes, historians have known about this for a long time, but for them it is not a sensation either. Just another "gesture" of Japanese politicians.

[Uncle lee]

so that Russia "gave Japan four islands."

Will he get sick? You will not refuse them "modesty"!
The sakura has faded
The petals flew away
Kuril Islands too ...
Kozma Prutkov, orientalist, hockey fan ... .

[alex neym_2]

For the first time I hear about an orientalist, Kozma Prutkov ... but it's still nice to know something amazing about this character ... keep up the good work ...

[Uncle lee]

Quote: aleks neym_2

About orientalist

It's funny... Kozma, in my interpretations, acts as a specialist and expert in all sorts of interesting cases. And even has comment deletion.
Something like this ...

[alex neym_2]

I have a book, God knows what year of publication: "Kozma Prutkov - look at the root" - from time to time I reread ... (it's time to redo it on a hard cover) ...

[Uncle lee]

I also have .... "Works by Kozma Prutkov"

[Daniil Konovalenko]

Wishlist that Japan did not want to declassify

[Mountain shooter]

It is completely out of place. - shake the documents on the failed "deal". We drove, now everything, no ... not a single cobblestone.

[From Tomsk]

Then they did not agree to two, but now not one shines. Success of Japanese diplomacy, what else can I say.

[tralflot1832]

I was 11 years old, I only remember the Super Series. Who is older, there was such a movement from the Central Committee of the CPSU that doubts gnaw. Gromyko, Mr. NO, he ruled in the Foreign Ministry !!!

[Dimy4]

For some reason, I also think that it is a fake. They say, look, even the USSR wanted to give us islands under the usual promise not to attack, not to place, and you are arming.

[Egoza]

Quote: Dimy4

They say, look, even the USSR wanted to give us the islands under the usual promise not to attack, not to place, and you are arming.

And what are they? Can they guarantee it now? Or remove the Americans from their land?

[Kisa]

Why on this forum pedal like nowhere else the theme of the islands ,?
Shikotan habomai were taught the price tags in the 90s it is interesting to read that torn source.
well, 50 years later, when the latter will probably run away to some kind of joint management (verbiage of your choice), they will still be given back, unless of course the patriots move from the Moscow Ring Road

[rotmistr60]

The Japanese already had few smokes (because they realized that they would not get anything), so give them the Northern Sea Route. Borze by leaps and bounds counting on American support. Or maybe a Japanese head knock on the closed gate harder, suddenly, at last, the brains, lost after the 2nd MV, will fall into place?

[Egoza]

Quote: rotmistr60

The Japanese already had few smokes (because they realized that they would not get anything), so give them the Northern Sea Route. Borze by leaps and bounds

They need to translate the tale "About the Fisherman and the Goldfish". Maybe wiser?

[alexey alexeyev_2]

And even here the secret. It has long been known that they were offered by the USSR. With some conditions. They did not want to. Now suck your paw

[Sayan]

Quote: alexey alexeyev_2

And even here the secret. It has long been known that they were offered by the USSR. With some conditions. They did not want to. Now suck your paw

No, not a paw - another organ))))

[sanja.grw]

It has long been known that the USSR offered them. With some conditions

There, the conditions were not feasible for them - to withdraw all US troops

[cniza]

At the same time, radicals in Japan continue to insist that Russia "give Japan four islands."

Even negotiations cannot be conducted, otherwise criminal liability ...

[Alexander 3]

And it’s right not an inch of land to anyone. We have examples at hand - Donbass. And if not for the referendum on Crimea, then there would be the same as in Donbass, much worse.

[rocket757]

They are pounding water in a mortar .... the guys, the ministers, are observing traditions.

[cniza]

And this is for the electorate or just advertising statements ...

[Reptiloid]

Quote: cniza

And this is for the electorate or just advertising statements ...

Probably for the electorate, to show how they are trying. ...

[Reptiloid]

.... wants to solve .... diplomatically .... 4 islands .....

good evening, Victor! vopomomim, multiple statements Poroshenko that he is ready to join the EU straight soon, .... All the time his presidency declared .... Only the Japs overtook him. ... they declare longer ...

[rocket757]

Hi Dmitry
Zabugornye, have become such active applicants! I would like to ask, do you yourself understand what and how much did you declare ???

[Reptiloid]

VICTOR, we have repeatedly discussed this topic with you, wondering at them and asking this question.

Quote: rocket757

..... Zabugornye, have become such active applicants! I would like to ask, do you yourself understand what and how much did you declare ???

After all, every time they thought it was the last time ...
But no. We ought to keep track of what days, what dates and the weather .... What if this is their ritual?
Let's say --- make such and such statements on certain days?

[Radical]

In particular, the KGB, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Defense of the USSR warned about this.

Was this also taken from Japanese documents?

[Flashpoint]

Spin, Japan, as you want, but tomorrow by 9 a.m. the USSR should be restored to its former borders :)
Then we will remember the past and cry :)

[Sands Careers General]

Tokyo declassified documents on USSR plans to transfer two islands of the South Kuriles to Japan

But this deal did not take place, as Tokyo demanded the return of four South Kuril Islands at once.

Huh, what did they declassify there, if everyone knows this information?

[sextant777]

Stuffs and fakes for the Japanese public. They declassified))

[sextant777]

"Moscow's calculation was that the Japanese would give guarantees of non-aggression on their part and on the part of the American contingent stationed in Japan."
Such nonsense! This is possible only in the nineties and under Putin, there were no fools in the USSR.
What guarantees can an occupied country give? It's like asking Ukraine or Estonia to withdraw NATO soldiers and advisers.

[Olezhek]

Moscow's calculation was that the Japanese would give guarantees of non-aggression on their part and on the part of the American contingent stationed in Japan. But this deal did not take place, since Tokyo demanded the return of four South Kuril Islands at once.

This is their constant problem.
Suddenly 4 islands ...
Some kind of special logic ...

And how could the Japanese give guarantees of non-aggression from the Americans?
Unclear.
Muddy shorter

[Ural resident]

Give away part of the land in exchange for non-aggression guarantees?

[Reserve buildbat]

And they have not declassified the documents on Russia's plans to transfer the ears from the dead donkey to the Yapas yet?

[AshPoseidon]

Tokyo wants to solve the "problem of the Northern Territories" (as the Russian Kuriles are called in Japan) by diplomatic means

Will not work. "Russia will 'knock out teeth' for those who intend to 'bite off' Siberia under the pretext that it unfairly belongs to Russia," Putin said. This is a clear message to everyone. So the question about the Kuril Islands is closed.

[Nikolaevich I]

But this deal did not take place, since Tokyo demanded the return of four South Kuril Islands at once.

[sagitovich]

I once promised to marry many people ...

[rocket757]

Old songs about the "main thing" ..... you can't say otherwise.

[krops777]

Moscow's calculation was that the Japanese would give guarantees of non-aggression on their part and on the part of the American contingent stationed in Japan.

A strange saying, to put it mildly, Moscow's calculation, and this in 1972 on the non-aggression of Japan, seriously? The United States then preferred to negotiate and make concessions.

[Ros 56]

Duc tram long gone, now what's the point of flapping wings?

[nov_tech.vrn]

Apparently, the documents were an analyst of the OBS agency (one grandmother said) and they kept them secret so as not to disclose the agent who worked for the bum.

[antikilller55]

Now, "if only", "maybe", all the Japanese will not calm down, they probably sleep badly for how many decades.

[Prisoner]

In the year one thousand nine hundred shashnadatom, as I remember chichas, Mikado planned to become part of the Republic of Ingushetia as the Tokyo region. The Japons wanted BEFORE yesterday's cabbage soup.

[Ross xnumx]

At the same time, radicals in Japan continue to insist that Russia "give Japan four islands."

The Russian government is obliged to stop the transfer of Russian lands (including for territorial claims, such as the United States, Norway, China) and not give any reasons for raising in the press, in some "voice", in the "next room" hints on similar topics.

[Boromir1941]

we should hold exercises there

[Klingon]

I wonder if Abe has already committed Seppuku or is still sadly sipping on cooling sake?

[Lisiy Prapor]

Well Duc, it's up to little: create a time machine, go back to 1972, nod and it's in the bag (or in a Japanese kippah, I don't know what they wear there)

[Olezhek]

Tokyo declassified documents on USSR plans to transfer two islands of the South Kuriles to Japan

Ok of course
But in vain, apparently ...

[Gunther]

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..Tokyo declassified documents on USSR plans to transfer two South Kuril Islands to Japan.

let it be better to declassify the current plans of the Kremlin compradors for our Kuril Islands, because, in my opinion, the previous prime minister of Japan, Shinzo Abe, swore by the "father's grave" not from a bunch of bugs - there were grounds for this, only a stupid samurai voiced, but "quiet sapa" was meant.

[Kapkan]

Why is this topic discussed at all?
So strange ...