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"Boa constrictor" went to the troops: the Ministry of Defense begins a massive purchase of a new pistol

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The Russian pistol "Boa constrictor", adopted by the Ministry of Defense in 2019, went to the troops. The military department begins the bulk purchase of a new pistol.


The Ministry of Defense is planning massive deliveries of a new pistol to the troops. Most of the new weapons will go into service with special forces and scouts, however, drivers, signalmen, MTO specialists, etc. will also be armed with the new pistol.

At the first stage, "several tens of thousands" of units will be purchased, funds in the amount of 384 million rubles have already been allocated for the purchase. The pistol will be supplied to the troops in two versions: combined arms with the index 6P72 and special purpose 6P72-1. In the 6P72-1 version, the pistol kit includes a silencer and a laser pointer capable of operating in day and night modes.

As reported "News" With reference to sources in the military department, the first batches of the Boa pistol will begin to enter the troops this year. The contract must be executed by November 10, 2023. A decision on further purchases will be made at a later date.

Recall that the customer for the development of the Udav pistol is the Russian Ministry of Defense, it has already passed trial operation in the troops and was supplied in small batches.

The self-loading pistol "Boa" is completely domestic development, in its design only Russian components are used. The gun uses a cartridge caliber 9x21 mm, it has developed specialized ammunition. The firing range of 50 meters, the capacity of the 18 magazine ammunition.

Dimensions: length 206 mm, height 145 mm, width 36 mm. The curb weight of the pistol is 980 g. In the unloaded version, the pistol weighs 200 g less. At a distance of 50 m, the bullet penetrates a sheet of armor up to 4 mm thick.
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  1. Piramidon
    Piramidon 24 May 2021 08: 31
    +14
    Finally, the MO was determined.
  2. Pereira
    Pereira 24 May 2021 08: 37
    0
    In the army - Boa, in Rosgvardia - Lynx. Will the Navy and the Air Force also introduce their own systems?
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 24 May 2021 08: 43
      +1
      Quote: Pereira
      In the army - Boa, in Rosgvardia - Lynx. Will the Navy and the Air Force also introduce their own systems?

      So that gunsmiths do not remain without work. laughing
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 24 May 2021 08: 54
      +9
      Modern world. Each agency has its own budget and requirements. Nothing wrong with that. It’s better than as before, the MO runs around with a makar, which is good for anything, but certainly not for the army.
      1. Shopping Mall
        Shopping Mall 24 May 2021 10: 00
        +1
        Quote: carstorm 11
        Modern world. Each agency has its own budget and requirements. Nothing wrong with that. It’s better than as before, the MO runs around with a makar, which is good for anything, but certainly not for the army.


        What's wrong with the "Makar"?
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 24 May 2021 10: 11
          +6
          Suggestions like - good for what would shoot himself do not appear just like that) I'm not saying that he is bad. It's just that he was never suitable for the army. Here he is quite the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
          1. Shopping Mall
            Shopping Mall 24 May 2021 10: 39
            -3
            Quote: carstorm 11
            Suggestions like - good for what would shoot himself do not appear just like that) I'm not saying that he is bad. It's just that he was never suitable for the army. Here he is quite the Ministry of Internal Affairs.


            PM is a good pistol. For spetsnaz and those units who are actively fighting, especially indoors, its capabilities, of course, are not enough. But for the officers who simply "wear" it, the PM is more than.

            PMSM's main problem now is that most of the soldiers in the army do not know how to shoot from a pistol at all - training at the level of Pushkin's duel - he closed one eye and 25 meters into the target. We need training on the basis of practical shooting and more cartridges.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 24 May 2021 10: 41
              +1
              He was created for this. In the forties) it is now true 2021 already)
            2. VO3A
              VO3A 24 May 2021 13: 10
              -3
              PM is a good pistol.

              Have you ever aimed at it? You can only shoot yourself from the PM, so as not to be taken prisoner ... At competitions in officer all-around in units and schools, shooting from the PM at 25 meters at a sports circular target is envisaged. This type of all-around is the first and after it more than half of the participants immediately drop out, not having fulfilled the minimum standard! And most of the smaller half have a result slightly more than the minimum ...
              1. fiberboard
                fiberboard 25 May 2021 04: 07
                +2
                There is an army biathlon: you run for 1 km, shoot 5 times, change the clip, again run 1 km, shoot 5 times and again km, finish. Everything for a while. Guys from 97 to 86 out of 100 skillfully knocked out of the PM.
                1. VO3A
                  VO3A 25 May 2021 15: 11
                  0
                  Shooting range and target type? From 5 meters to a growth target? And who are the men? Your remark does not pull even on a 3-ku on a five-point system ... Learn to express your thoughts clearly and logically!
                  1. fiberboard
                    fiberboard 25 May 2021 17: 10
                    +1
                    Yeah, probably a top three. Target number 4, chest figure with circles. We had a green target. The distance is 25 meters. The men are officers of the PV of the FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Federal Penitentiary Service, and the Narcocontrol. Competitions are held on the basis of the FSB PU. Have you ever seen a 5m tall target drill? If you saw it, share it. As the saying goes: Live and learn.
                    1. VO3A
                      VO3A 25 May 2021 17: 13
                      -1
                      You are also tight with humor and notable inhibition! Probably infantry or fuel oil? ... Have you seen the comments below?
                      1. fiberboard
                        fiberboard 25 May 2021 19: 00
                        +1
                        Well, yes, it was both terry cloth and fuel oil. For more than 19 years, he has acquired a bunch of military specialties. But I will tell you the truth: from PM and PYa I fired only at targets. And so AK, PKM, AGS, 2A28,2A42,2B11. Directly in fire contacts, it never came to a pistol.
                      2. VO3A
                        VO3A 25 May 2021 19: 02
                        0
                        With all due respect! For the Brotherhood of Arms!
            3. Shopping Mall
              Shopping Mall 25 May 2021 16: 06
              0
              Quote: VO3A
              PM is a good pistol.

              Have you ever aimed to shoot from it?


              Shoot.

              Quote: VO3A
              You can only shoot yourself from the PM, so as not to be taken prisoner ... At competitions in officer all-around in units and schools, shooting from the PM at 25 meters at a sports circular target is envisaged. This type of all-around is the first and after it more than half of the participants immediately drop out, not having fulfilled the minimum standard! And most of the smaller half have a result slightly more than the minimum ...


              What do you think should be the aiming range of a pistol? 25 meters?

              A pistol is a melee weapon, in fact, an analogue of a knife. For long ranges, use a rifle / assault rifle / machine gun. But when the clash is "point-blank", here the pistol is important - it is more maneuverable, more turnable.
              1. VO3A
                VO3A 25 May 2021 16: 10
                0
                here the pistol is important - it is more maneuverable, more turnable.

                This is not about PM!
                Did they shoot? What is the standard of shooting, target and distance for an officer of the Armed Forces?
                It is enough to conduct a sudden check of the possession of a personal weapon in the form of shooting from a PM in order to dismiss more than 50% of the officer corps for professional incompetence ...Excellent GUN !!!
                1. Shopping Mall
                  Shopping Mall 25 May 2021 16: 15
                  0
                  Quote: VO3A
                  here the pistol is important - it is more maneuverable, more turnable.

                  This is not about PM!
                  Did they shoot? What is the standard of shooting, target and distance for an officer of the Armed Forces?


                  The usual idiotic, senseless - a pistol in his right hand, a target 25 meters away - one eye closed and forward.

                  Then he shot more from the Viking, but already during training with a practical shooting instructor (a former special forces soldier). I fired a little from GSh-18 and Glock-17.

                  Glock liked it the most. The GSh seems to be nothing, but it is inconvenient to juggle the shutter, the store is very tight (to equip) and as a matter of great doubt - according to the instructor (it was a different person), the GSh goes for repairs very often - there are no problems with the Glock.
                  1. VO3A
                    VO3A 25 May 2021 16: 16
                    0
                    I'm trudging! How many shots and the score? What is the target? And how many did you get from PM? You would have been fired, probably ... You are not a military man either.
                    1. Shopping Mall
                      Shopping Mall 25 May 2021 16: 21
                      0
                      Quote: VO3A
                      I'm trudging! How many shots and the score? What is the target? You would probably be fired ...


                      6 practice and 3 credits. Such is the training of an officer at military departments in universities. The question is not that, but that such training is, in principle, meaningless.

                      I don't remember exactly from Viking, a few thousand - 3000-4000, maybe more.

                      Maybe something has changed now?
                      You wrote:
                      This type of all-around is the first and after it more than half of the participants immediately drop out, not having fulfilled the minimum standard! And most of the smaller half have a result slightly more than the minimum ...


                      Who is it for now? For all officers? How often do you train and in what format?
                    2. VO3A
                      VO3A 25 May 2021 16: 34
                      0
                      And this is the army? I left the military aviation in 1991 and served, or rather rested, for another 9 years in an adjunct and in a school ...
                      The standard for shooting from the PM: for 25 meters 3 test 3 test cartridges in a chest target 25 - excellent, 22 - good, 18 - satisfactory. Theoretically, it should be carried out at the end of each training period !!!
                      Officer all-around for teams of the best athletes (and shooters) of regular units 2 times a year, 3 trial and 10 credits to a sports target (black circle with a diameter of about 15 cm) at 25 m! Record shooting 64 points or more .... If the result is lower, the competitor is eliminated from all competitions ...
    3. bk0010
      bk0010 24 May 2021 11: 59
      +1
      Quote: AVM
      What's wrong with the "Makar"?
      Very humane, it was printed somewhere that the mortality rate was about 10% (out of 10 people who were shot from the PM, 1 dies) and the old one. No, as trauma is normal, but they consider it a military weapon.
      1. Shopping Mall
        Shopping Mall 25 May 2021 16: 38
        0
        Quote: bk0010
        Quote: AVM
        What's wrong with the "Makar"?
        Very humane, somewhere it was printed that the mortality rate is about 10% (out of 10 people who were shot from the PM, 1 dies)


        How to teach to shoot - two in the chest, one in the head and the lethality will rise sharply. And so, in general, the lethality of pistols is of the order of 20-30%, this is 99% for a shotgun.

        Moreover, in the Russian Federation, most of the carriers of the PM do not know how to shoot, and are afraid to do this - they will be imprisoned.

        Quote: bk0010
        and old.


        The 1911 Colt is even older, but is still considered by many to be the perfect pistol.
        1. bk0010
          bk0010 25 May 2021 16: 57
          0
          Quote: AVM
          The 1911 Colt is even older, but is still considered by many to be the perfect pistol.
          Is he still in service somewhere in the power structures?
    4. tima_ga
      tima_ga 27 May 2021 20: 57
      0
      The bullet of the PM 9x18 cartridge has a good stopping effect, which is suitable for law enforcement agencies (not shoot, but detain). But for an army where individual armor is widespread, this is not enough. You need a good penetrating action, but here you need a weapon chambered for a more powerful cartridge - 9x19 or 9x21. For a long time, the army was choosing between these calibers. And whether I made the right choice - time will tell.
  • uav80
    uav80 24 May 2021 09: 11
    +2
    The Aerospace Forces are also switching to MPL, like the National Guard, but so far only for bomber and attack pilots ..
  • CYM
    CYM 24 May 2021 13: 02
    +1
    IMHO A PM for sale to the population (according to the rules for a rifled one), since it initially had the parameters of a civilian weapon, and not a police one, and even more so an army one. winked
  • Barberry25
    Barberry25 24 May 2021 18: 38
    0
    the flyers also have Lebedev K will go
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 26 May 2021 06: 19
    0
    Yeah. They will buy Lebedev's pistol there. In different versions ...
  • CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 24 May 2021 08: 45
    +3
    In the Ministry of Defense "Udar", in Rosgvardi there is a Lebedev pistol, in the FSB there is a Yarygin pistol, the cartridges are at least the same, otherwise, with the possible onset of judgment day, the logisticians will be tortured to supply
    1. fiberboard
      fiberboard 25 May 2021 04: 03
      0
      The Yarygin pistol is a pistol designed by enemies. It should not be accepted into service, but completely banned. Better the good old PM, trouble-free and simple. I knocked 75 out of him calmly, the main thing is training. And PYa hammer a nail in there, or something else. Only for this it is suitable. I did not shoot from the rest, I will not speak.
      1. vvnab
        vvnab 25 May 2021 19: 29
        0
        Yarygin pistol is a pistol constructed by enemies

        It is normally constructed. But it was made - by the enemies! Let's see how "Boas" with "Lynxes" will do. Prototype and mass production are two big differences, as they say.
  • Yrec
    Yrec 24 May 2021 08: 50
    +5
    It is better to make a submachine gun under such a cartridge and arm the crews. And the scouts need a compact and lightweight pistol, every gram counts.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 24 May 2021 09: 13
      +1
      Quote: Yrec
      It's better to make a submachine gun under such a cartridge

      It seems to have made SR.2 "Veresk" for the FSB, FSO, Russian Guard
    2. hhurik
      hhurik 24 May 2021 09: 14
      +5
      Shorts from regular assault rifles for regular ammunition are of the same size and weight as normal SMGs. Submachine guns for the army are an extinct type of weapon, and for a long time.
      And pistils for reconnaissance (IMHO) - should not be "compact and light", but first of all quiet. 6P72-1 is definitely more powerful than PB, so everything is sunny. That is why the rest of the servicemen have this heavy piece of iron - a question, PM is out of competition in terms of weight-size-efficiency criteria.
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 24 May 2021 09: 44
        -1
        PP na9 21 is quite a working piece. Better than shortcuts
      2. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 24 May 2021 12: 19
        +4
        Quote: hhurik
        PM in the service relation according to the criteria of weight-size-efficiency is out of competition.

        In the army, the main enemy is the enemy's military formations, and they are distinguished by powerful protective equipment (body armor, helmets). And if it comes to shooting with a pistol, what can you do with the PM? bruise a man? Therefore, a pistol chambered for 9x21 was adopted, in which the penetrating properties of the bullet cannot be compared with the Makarov one.
        1. CYM
          CYM 24 May 2021 13: 18
          +2
          IMHO To get a bruise from the PM, you still need to hit the enemy, especially in a state of stress. Most of the "gross" PMs have poor shooting accuracy, to put it mildly. And it is easier for a poorly trained shooter to hit the enemy with the pistol itself, and not with a bullet from it. winked
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  • vl903
    vl903 24 May 2021 12: 39
    +3
    to Makar, what are the claims of members of the forum? this is not the main, "vest" (the main one is the same boa constrictor, pl15, colt1911, stechkin) pistol. for constant wearing in peacetime and as a spare in wartime. power of the cartridge is enough to scare off, reliability like a Kalash, compactness and simplicity. the replacement may be Lebedev's MPL, time will tell.
  • vl903
    vl903 24 May 2021 14: 05
    0
    but PP for pilots is a strange decision. the downed pilot can either be accidentally discovered, or he will be pursued. if the pursuit he can only try to slow it down and keep it away until the rescue team arrives. here we need an ak308 with optics and a silencer to keep the chase at bay and slow down its pace. since in a regular battle he has no chance. or if there is no pursuit and he decides to quietly leave, maybe after changing clothes, you need a pistol like a boa constrictor with a silencer. What would I change clothes, threw ak308 or compact svd
    , took the farmer's hoe and leave without attracting attention. if someone accidentally ran into you, a clip of subsonic cartridges and a silencer. but nn is really only to shoot yourself, excluding the city and the jungle, well, and green. ... but the pace of the chase on the edges you will not bring them down, but only provoke her.
    1. Avior
      Avior 24 May 2021 16: 15
      0
      here we need an ak308 with optics and a silencer to keep the chase at bay and slow down its pace.

      Uh-huh. You won't get anywhere on the move, but if you lie down to shoot, they will be surrounded and killed, you are alone - there are many of them.
      The pace of the chase can be knocked down by an SMG with a high rate of fire - and further into the lead, leaving behind a couple of stretch marks
      1. vl903
        vl903 24 May 2021 16: 42
        +3
        pp is 100 meters. if the chase came up to 100 meters and found you, cranky, they will crush you with fire and surround you. and nn here just shoot yourself. here or keep at a distance without revealing yourself and not letting you crush with machine-gun fire. or surrender. The same VAL is better at 100 meters - there is a chance to interrupt the pursuit before detection
        1. Avior
          Avior 24 May 2021 18: 09
          +1
          Until you are found, you need to run and as far as possible, and not shoot
          If found, also run, periodically besieging the enemy with dense fire.
          To lie down and shoot from a hundred meters means letting the enemy surround you
          1. vl903
            vl903 24 May 2021 18: 28
            +2
            so what am I talking about! one has to keep the chase away. but with PP it will not work. plus with dense fire is how many cartridges you need to carry and how long will they last? especially considering the fact that the enemy will have pc, svd and akm? at 100 meters, they will immediately be pressed to the ground and surrounded. For 300 s PP, you will rather spend all the ammunition before you kill at least one, but until you kill a couple of beaters, their excitement will not pass. Chasing is enough to injure the pilot, then it is already a matter of time when he will lose consciousness and be taken prisoner. even with ppsh our reconnaissance group parachutists in 1943, it seems, could not stand up to the Ukrainian policemen with rifles and machine guns. and the training of the NKVD special forces, albeit accelerated, was probably better than the pilot.
            1. Avior
              Avior 24 May 2021 18: 43
              +1
              The lechik should not fight, his task is survival.
              Gone away from the landing site, hid and wait for your friends or try to carefully go out to them yourself - then how lucky you are.
              I saw what they were looking for, trying to hide away. Found out - you leave using the folds of the terrain and the relief as quickly as possible, not allowing yourself to be surrounded, on the move periodically knocking down the enemy's pace with dense fire.
              At the same time, the range of fire of the PP-150-200 meters is sufficient to leave, using the folds of the terrain, at a longer range you still cannot shoot effectively on the move.
              1. vl903
                vl903 24 May 2021 18: 50
                +1
                I agree with everything except PP, it is the PP that is useless for the pilot. here only practical examples can help. are there any examples of the successful use of PP by pilots?
                1. Avior
                  Avior 24 May 2021 18: 59
                  +1
                  Of course not
                  And there is no PP and the pilots did not have it in service.
                  Was the SVD in service with the pilots? Are there examples of its successful use by pilots for survival?
                  1. vl903
                    vl903 24 May 2021 19: 24
                    +2
                    have to search. there should be examples of Stechkin and Aksu74 in Syria and Afghanistan. during VO there should be examples with mosinka and ppsh. they were sometimes put in the tails of planes near bombers and il2. from the latter, Hero Filipov su25 fought back with Stechkin. if he had ak308 with optics (svd and too long and a Kalash is more reliable for this) would he have a chance?
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 24 May 2021 23: 35
                      0
                      only if there were shelters nearby, it was surrounded by several people
                      As far as I understood, he did not know how to get the Axu74 out of the chair, so he ended up with only Stechkin.
                      But if a compact PP would be with him and would provide a high density of fire, maybe there was a chance ..
                      1. vl903
                        vl903 25 May 2021 10: 51
                        0
                        so stechkin is compact n. I agree that the modern PP would have pushed the effective range of fire to 50m. but that would have done nothing. replacing the pistol with a PP to increase the chance of getting to the NAZ. and in the NAZ to put infantry unloading with already stuffed pockets with a first-aid kit, rations, ammunition, and the like. and already in this unloading you need a boa constrictor with a silencer and something like a Marksman AK308. or microwave. and the pilot, according to the situation, needs to take, the unnecessary throws.
                      2. Avior
                        Avior 25 May 2021 10: 54
                        -1
                        Stechkin not PP
                      3. vl903
                        vl903 25 May 2021 11: 38
                        0
                        I agree that it is not a full-fledged item. as well as 20 in the store, auto fire, butt, effective range 150m single, 100m bursts with butt
                      4. Avior
                        Avior 25 May 2021 11: 43
                        0
                        and the weight at the same time is the same as that of PP, but inconvenient to use, the cartridge is weak
                      5. vl903
                        vl903 25 May 2021 11: 48
                        0
                        Quote: Avior
                        and the weight at the same time is the same as that of PP, but inconvenient to use, the cartridge is weak

                        undoubtedly, the very terms of reference for stechkin was immediately wrong, either 7.62x25 or 9x19 pair was needed. Now, of course, we need a modern PP that would run to the NAZ. and NAZ is it not on a cord fastened to the pilot?
  • Barberry25
    Barberry25 24 May 2021 18: 50
    +3
    laughing the current pilot, after the jump, will be blown up during the staging ... they need to give MIBs ... pulled the ring, put it on the ground and ran
    1. Avior
      Avior 24 May 2021 19: 02
      +2
      Yes, it would be even better if you didn’t stretch for two seconds, even if you had everything you need with you.
      But it is important to point out the very fact for the persecutors, it will slow down their pace.
      1. Barberry25
        Barberry25 24 May 2021 20: 06
        +1
        MIBs are just the development of those same stretch marks .. current industrial
        1. Avior
          Avior 24 May 2021 23: 17
          0
          unfortunately it has a certain limitation
          If used in the "mine" mode, the MIB is installed on the ground manually. The fuse is activated remotely, with a delay of 12 minutes.

          For the purpose of a quick installation, some work is needed
          1. Barberry25
            Barberry25 24 May 2021 23: 22
            +1
            in the know..there is a need to change the fuse, so I propose to take MIBs for mining .. and for "leaning back with grenades" RGOshki take..well, and no one forbids to modify the fuse for setting in 5 minutes
  • Barberry25
    Barberry25 24 May 2021 18: 42
    +2
    Well, why are you making a spetsnaz soldier out of a flyer? you will also suggest putting ASVK in his kit ... they said already ... that either PPK-20 will be, or PP-2000 ... although I would recommend upgrading PP Buk and adding a pistol to the vest instead of a pistol. .but in general, to stop the pursuit, the kit should include an MIB-multifunctional engineering ammunition ... put it in the grass on the way and went ... as they find it, you will hear
    1. vl903
      vl903 24 May 2021 18: 51
      +1
      I agree with everything, especially about mines, except for PP it is PP that is useless for the pilot. here only practical examples can help. are there any examples of the successful use of PP by pilots?
      1. Barberry25
        Barberry25 24 May 2021 19: 59
        0

        here everything is simple ... if the pilot is not taken, then he must move .. bigger than the size of the ax you can not put in there .. he can not conduct effective fire .. therefore you need something that can shoot a lot .. ie. you need a lot of bk .. and a muffler with a collimator .. so that if something is to quickly remove the muffler and suppress it with fire, place mines, and then dump under the smoke .. as an option .. analogue mona is needed with a laser sensor .. but this is a fantasy. .a machine gun, and even more so under a rifle cartridge .. busting .. recoil is large, bk is small .. the pilot is not an attack aircraft, he needs to go through stealth ... then someone in another article wrote that the pilot who was shot down in Afgane ... and now a deputy, I don't remember the name, he said directly that he personally would not be bothered by a weapon with a silencer ... so you need a weapon with a single type of cartridges ... so my opinion is simple - you need a PP in a vest, and a second barrel in a chair, and ideally leave one barrel, And in an additional BK chair .. and in general, according to normal, you need to do in 7,62 TT caliber, and equip expansive and armor-piercing ones into the mix .. but already IMHO, which no one will go to .. and about ak-308 .. which is better to take 1 magazine for 20 rounds or 2 for 60?
        1. vl903
          vl903 24 May 2021 20: 25
          0
          in battle, the pilot has no chance. wearable weight is limited. he needs to carry water, ration, a radio beacon. mines or mib. rockets and smoke for signals to rescuers. something with a muffler. there is no room for many cartridges. if chasing on the tail, he can put a meb, sprinkle the trail with something anti-dog. make a few shots at dogs, drone, guides, trackers, commanders. with PP, it will be on an equal footing and worse with beaters in almost all situations, since they both have a greater range and a density of fire and wearable ammunition. and help will be drawn to them. ak308 or analogue is compact, precise and versatile. strong recoil probably. the pilot can also give the AEK. probably here on situations it is necessary to compare. steppe, forest, foothills, desert, suburb, etc.
          1. Barberry25
            Barberry25 24 May 2021 20: 29
            0
            the thing is funny ... that he can take 4 magazines for 80 rounds, or take 8 magazines for 240 rounds ... or 160 rounds ... if you look purely by weight ..
        2. Avior
          Avior 24 May 2021 23: 19
          -1
          then someone in another article wrote that the pilot who was shot down in Afghanistan ... and now a deputy, I don't remember the name, he said directly that he personally would not hurt a weapon with a silencer

          in the comments it was allegedly about Rutskoy, but no one gave the link
        3. Avior
          Avior 24 May 2021 23: 37
          0
          mix up expansive and armor-piercing

          expansive prohibited by convention
          1. Barberry25
            Barberry25 25 May 2021 07: 16
            0
            winked well, you can make it almost expansive .. just think, they drilled it harder .. in case of war, no one will look at the convention
            1. Avior
              Avior 25 May 2021 07: 48
              -1
              if you get to the enemy, they will definitely shoot you. Do you need it?
              1. Barberry25
                Barberry25 25 May 2021 07: 50
                +1
                and so the enemies are very fond of pilots .. feeding .. eating .. and kissing the forehead?
                1. Avior
                  Avior 25 May 2021 08: 38
                  -1
                  not very fond of. but the cases are different, and the opponents are different.
                  I remember that the Pakistanis stuffed the mustache of the Indian barbel and returned it to the Indians. And if he had become expansive bullets at the crowd to shoot down, the remains would have been returned at best.
                  1. Barberry25
                    Barberry25 25 May 2021 08: 40
                    0
                    winked well nakraynyak you can make shellless bullets ... well, or steal with armor-piercing ones .. those will be more expensive, but double effect .. by analogy with SP-6
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 25 May 2021 08: 42
                      -1
                      for pilots, armor-piercing is more correct. They are more expensive, but we are not talking about a very large number, and pilot training is much more expensive.
                    2. Barberry25
                      Barberry25 25 May 2021 08: 43
                      0
                      well, that's why SP-6 ..
                    3. Avior
                      Avior 25 May 2021 08: 51
                      -1
                      therefore 7Н31
                    4. Barberry25
                      Barberry25 25 May 2021 08: 52
                      0
                      laughing well, it is made by analogy with SP-6, except that it is not noiseless
                    5. Avior
                      Avior 25 May 2021 08: 56
                      -1
                      the mass was compared?
  • Avior
    Avior 24 May 2021 19: 14
    +1
    Ideally - it is a mine that can be used as a grenade if necessary
  • cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 24 May 2021 19: 14
    +1
    Quote: vl903

    , took the farmer's hoe and leave without attracting attention. if someone accidentally ran into you, a clip of subsonic cartridges and a silencer. but nn is really only to shoot yourself, excluding the city and the jungle, well, and green. ... but the pace of the chase on the edges you will not bring them down, but only provoke her.
    Then you need PB
    PB
    In order to "eliminate" accidentally met shepherds and loitering dekhan along the mountain paths.
    You will shoot point-blank (you will notice "peaceful" at the last moment), but so that they will not be heard in the neighboring village.
    1. Avior
      Avior 24 May 2021 23: 38
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      dressing up is a controversial idea, not for all occasions
      caught, shot, as not a prisoner of war.
      1. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 24 May 2021 23: 49
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        Quote: Avior

        caught, shot, as not a prisoner of war.
        paraglider
        Paragliding.
        Maybe for the pilot to come up with some kind of "paraglider" - folding, sliding ...
        Combined with the pilot's seat or whatever else the designers will design.
        The idea is that after ejection (at a sufficient altitude), the pilot turns on the engine and flies away from a dangerous area.
        The idea is controversial, but can think it over ... maybe it will come out?
        soldier
        1. Avior
          Avior 25 May 2021 00: 03
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          saw how they fly on these paragliders with a motor
          A dream for a machine gunner or submachine gunner on the ground. :) you can see perfectly against the sky, it flies not very high, and slowly, but you can hear it even further. In general, training in shooting training :)
          But on the other hand, for limited use it can and will do.
          Only the chair has weight restrictions, as I understand it.
        2. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 25 May 2021 07: 42
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          Well, don't put such a thing on an airplane. The propeller is too big.
        3. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 25 May 2021 07: 45
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          In general, if you think about it, then some kind of device so that you can plan for a couple of tens of kilometers you can probably think of. In many cases, this would be enough to hold out on their own. Or increase the search circle for the enemy.
          1. Avior
            Avior 25 May 2021 07: 46
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            note which parachute this device has and which ejection seats have.
            1. Herman 4223
              Herman 4223 25 May 2021 07: 54
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              No, this does not go far. We need something that could use the energy of the aircraft to fly over a long distance. Then the parachute. We saw the costumes for planning, but here, in my opinion, you need to bungle something from the chair itself. To have some folding wings behind the back, or a similar suit for pilots.
              1. Avior
                Avior 25 May 2021 08: 04
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                the ejection seat must have a wide range of action in terms of speed and height - from the ground from a place, that at high altitude and speed.
                The wings do not go well with this.
                1. Herman 4223
                  Herman 4223 25 May 2021 09: 24
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                  All this needs to be thought out by engineers.
                  I think the pilot will be happy if he has the opportunity to plan somewhere, at least a couple of extra kilometers.
  • senima56
    senima56 24 May 2021 15: 12
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    "Most of the new weapons will go into service with special forces and scouts .." - right! This pistol was created for special operations. In the Army en masse, to replace the PM (finally) - MPL or PLC! Perhaps the MO will be interested in "Aspid" or "Poloz". In any case, a pistol chambered for a 9x19mm cartridge should become widespread. hi
    1. Old tanker
      Old tanker 24 May 2021 18: 33
      +1
      In any case, a pistol chambered for a 9x19mm cartridge should become widespread.

      Is that what you decided?
      Fortunately, the MO thinks differently and has chosen the more effective one in modern 9x21 combat.
      1. Avior
        Avior 24 May 2021 18: 48
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        Sorry, do you really think that in modern combat a pistol will be effective against an enemy armed with automatic rifles?
        1. Old tanker
          Old tanker 25 May 2021 06: 48
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          Do you suggest giving up pistols altogether? To arm everyone with large-caliber machine guns? After all, they are more effective against an enemy armed with assault rifles and even single machine guns.
          1. Avior
            Avior 25 May 2021 07: 01
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            No.
            I propose to adequately understand the real meaning of a pistol in a modern army saturated with long-barreled automatic weapons.
      2. senima56
        senima56 25 May 2021 00: 23
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        The Ministry of Defense chose this caliber for "arming special forces and scouts," but these are the elite, few units of the Ministry of Defense. Here is a "special weapon for a reinforced cartridge" for them! But, I repeat that a pistol chambered for a 9x19mm cartridge should become widespread.
        1. Old tanker
          Old tanker 25 May 2021 06: 52
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          The Ministry of Defense chose this caliber for "arming special forces and scouts"

          Why did you decide this?
          The article says that deliveries will start with these units, and then:
          drivers, signalmen, MTO specialists, etc. will also be armed with the new pistol.

          So the mass caliber will be 9x21.
  • asura
    asura 25 May 2021 08: 55
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    Quote: Old Tankman
    So the mass caliber will be 9x21.

    Loudly said. Currently, there is only small-scale production of this cartridge ...
  • hosekonceko
    hosekonceko 25 May 2021 18: 26
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    PM FOREVER
    1. hosekonceko
      hosekonceko 25 May 2021 18: 32
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      billions of cartridges simple free-flow design WHAT FAFLES up to 2050?