"To replace the PM": the Russian Guard adopted the Lebedev MPL pistol

The Lebedev modular pistol (MPL) "Lynx" was adopted by the Federal Service of the National Guard of the Russian Federation (Rosgvardia). This was announced by the general director of Kalashnikov Dmitry Tarasov.

The pistol was put into service in two versions at once: MPL (standard) and MPL-1 (for silent shooting). As reported TASS with reference to the words of the general director, the pistol has already begun to enter the divisions "for approbation". It is noted that the new pistol is distinguished by ergonomics, it fits comfortably in the hand, and the two-sided arrangement of the controls allows both right-handers and left-handers to use the MPL equally.

Recall that the Lebedev MPL pistol, originally called PL-15, was developed according to the tactical and technical assignment of the Russian Guard, work began in 2017 and was carried out within the framework of the Rys R&D project. This March weapon completed state tests with a positive result and was recommended for adoption by Rosgvardia.

The pistol is designed in a standard design and a version for special tasks with the possibility of installing a device to reduce the sound of firing. Caliber - 9X19 mm, it is possible to use various attachments, stores with increased capacity, trigger with automatic firing mode, etc.

In 2019, the Rosgvardia announced that they were considering the Lebedev pistol as a replacement for the Makarov PM pistol.

Comments

[Victor_B]

It seems like a good pistol turned out ...
Again, in two versions.
Large and compact.
For the police, the compact is probably more necessary.

[Bad_gr]

• Self-loading pistol Lebedev MPL,
• Self-loading pistol Lebedev MPL1,
• Self-loading pistol Lebedev PLC.

All versions are designed for the 9x19 cartridge, the classic Lugger / Parabellum. At the same time, the mass without a store
MPL is 800 g,
PLC - -------------- 730 g.
Overall length / barrel length
MPL - 205/112 mm,
PLC - 185/92 mm.
MPL magazine holds 16 rounds, PLC - 14.
Thus, it turns out that the PLC pistol is a development of the compact version of the PL-15K. The basic version of the Lebedev MPL pistol was developed as a promising weapon for employees of power ministries and departments. The MPL pistol was created for the 9 × 19 cartridge, the main version of the MPL ammunition is the 7N21 high-impulse cartridge with a bullet of increased penetration, it can also use a wide range of commercial and military 9 × 19 mm Luger / Parabellum cartridges.
The MPL pistol has:
• High strength aluminum alloy frame
• Weapon automation uses the recoil of the bolt, coupled to the barrel, with a short barrel stroke
• Indicator of the presence of a cartridge in the chamber
• The pistol can be equipped with an extended barrel with a thread in the muzzle, on which a quick-detachable silencer is mounted
• Replaceable front sight and rear sight can have different configurations at the request of the user
• Ability to install a collimator sight on the shutter.

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[Bad_gr]

Quote: Bad_gr

Lebedev self-loading pistol

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Victor_B

For the police, the compact is probably more necessary.

Therefore, the article about ROSGVARDIA and a pistol for it ...

[CommanderDIVA]

An excellent choice, held in my hands at the Army 2018 exhibition, cool machine

[seregatara1969]

only it turns out again that each yard has its own pistol, and FSE of different models

[storm]

Lebedev's pistol is much more convenient than Yarygin, which is heavily overweight ...
I hope that the army will also adopt submarines instead of PM and PYa.

[Kapkan]

More convenient for what? For a shooting range weekend war?
Yarygin pistol, GSh-18 pistol, CP1 pistol, Boa pistol - they are all 18 rounds in the store. And some, especially outstanding, at the same time also 9x21.
PL - 16 rounds. in 2021? Seriously?
The PL is just a pistol created to please the representatives of IPSC, who are tightly entrenched and seized the Kalashnikov Concern. It is sad.
I hope that the army will never accept it en masse. Although, the pilots seem to have also promised him ... And this is the one to whom EVERY CARTRIDGE is dear! Sorry.(

[Nikkon]

Quote: Kapkan

More convenient for what? For a shooting range weekend war?
Yarygin pistol, GSh-18 pistol, CP1 pistol, Boa pistol - they are all 18 rounds in the store.

The customer looks not only at the magazine capacity, but also at other qualities of the weapon. Weight and dimensions, reliability, ergonomics, cost, etc. For GSh-18, for example, it is impossible to equip a magazine with eighteen rounds without specials. devices, but manually no more than 12-13 rounds.

[Alexfly]

As a rule, the last 2-3 rounds in any pistol are hammered with considerable effort .. This is not the main thing, the practical training of the shooter is more important, so much more space and time for practical training and resources should be allocated for this.

[NDR-791]

Generally "to please the IPSC representatives" the PL-14 was being made and has not yet been approved in the list of pistols permitted for practical shooting competitions. PL-15 and 15K are slightly different weapons. PM at one time I pretty much used and Yarygin too. I am left-handed and I can only say thank you for the double-sided fuse. With Yarygin, all the advantages are overlapped by unreliability - it happened that out of 18 cartridges, up to two delays reached (distortions) and they took him to "bezrybe". Let's see what the real operation of this sample will show. Rosgvardia in real life uses pistols more often than military ones, so reviews will soon appear.

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Quote: Kapkan

More convenient for what? For a shooting range weekend war?
Yarygin pistol, GSh-18 pistol, CP1 pistol, Boa pistol - they are all 18 rounds in the store. And some, especially outstanding, at the same time also 9x21.
PL - 16 rounds. in 2021? Seriously?
The PL is just a pistol created to please the representatives of IPSC, who are tightly entrenched and seized the Kalashnikov Concern. It is sad.
I hope that the army will never accept it en masse. Although, the pilots seem to have also promised him ... And this is the one to whom EVERY CARTRIDGE is dear! Sorry.(

Seriously? Exactly 18 rounds needed? Is 16 already the end of the world? Is it okay that a huge number of police and military personnel around the world carry 15-round pistols, the same Glock-19?

It is necessary to change the system of police firearms training, incl. with classes on IPSC. And with the shooting of 6000 rounds per person per year.

[Kapkan]

It is necessary to change the system of police firearms, incl. with classes on IPSC

another of the fraternity of those who "took up IPSC - died in battle" ...

Is it okay that a huge number of police and military personnel around the world carry 15-round pistols, the same Glock-19?

I don't care what they wear. Moreover, their main job is to shoot blacks in alcoholic T-shirts.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Kapkan

The PL is just a pistol created to please the representatives of IPSC, who are tightly entrenched and seized the Kalashnikov Concern. (

What does it have to do with it

representatives of IPSC

the technical task for the creation of a pistol was issued by the ROSGVARDIA, and not by the IPSC or the Federation of Practical Shooting of Russia ...
The contractor for factory testing can involve anyone, because he bears the risk of fulfilling the order ..., well, during military trials it is tested by the l / s of the ROSGVARDIA, everything seems to be clear ..., and I haven’t seen the submarine in IPSC, the pistol resource is important in practical shooting, and the existing Vikings are poured ....
We will go to the analogs of "Glock" for another 20 years ....

[Kapkan]

We will go to the analogs of "Glock" for another 20 years ....

It's funny. I will not even comment on the rest.
All answers here are time-based.


And here, with a reference to time, how life depends on your Glock. And so the video is a little less than a million.
And the main phrase, sacramental in this video - Fucking gun!

[Lara Croft]

Kapkan It's funny. All answers here are time-based.

It's funny to me too. There are no answers, and there is no time binding, there is some kind of mug that does not like "Glock", and claims that our Special Forces does not have it ....
And the vidosiki, I'll throw it over for you myself ...
I am generally silent about the contestation of the Glock resource, I have something to compare with, tk. shot from a lot, incl. enemy ....
In general, the "many-sided" "weapons specialist" ....

So you did not answer me: how did the representatives of IPSC interfere with you at the factory tests, despite the fact that their opinion is not taken into account at the conclusion of the commission ... because. they have nothing to do with VTK and OTK, as well as with the design bureau and engineering and technical personnel of the plant ...

[Kapkan]

there is some kind of mug that does not like "Glock" and claims that our special forces do not have it ....

You are now very excited about this person. It’s not worth it at all.

So you did not answer me: how did the representatives of IPSC interfere with you at the factory tests?

And I have no idea how much discipline has fallen in factories and whether these little people are present at the tests. I just said that it was done for the sake of these little people.
The PL handle is not comfortable for firing from any position except on an outstretched arm. What IPs and other athletes need. It has nothing to do with real life and fighting.
And the evil from IPs is that they plant delusional ideas that are far from common sense and reality.
For example, like the mine of a store on Vityaz. (by the way, this is related to the topic of "throwing vidosikov")

I am generally silent about the contestation of the Glock resource, I have something to compare with, tk. shot from a lot, incl. enemy ...

For God's sake. Shoot whatever you want. The number of your shots does not say absolutely nothing, except that you shoot a lot, and, possibly, get where you want. You were told on the video that the Glock did not pass the test. That's all.
And it's somehow strange that you commented on everything, except for the video where the policeman almost died from his Glock ...

[bunta]

https://topwar.ru/153332-pochemu-ne-glok-potomu-chto-magazin-proshu-ne-menjat-nazvanie-stati.html

[Kapkan]

My friend, yes you are cutting apisishnikov in a lively way ... Stop immediately.) The main thing for them is shot and pee-pee. in greenhouse conditions, and then make rat handles and look around to the left / right. )) And you came in with your trump cards ... Oh, you can't do that ...))

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Quote: bunta

https://topwar.ru/153332-pochemu-ne-glok-potomu-chto-magazin-proshu-ne-menjat-nazvanie-stati.html

Do you think a magazine with a two-row output of cartridges is some kind of unknown technology that is not available to H&K, ZiG and other companies?

Strangely enough, more than half of the world fights with Western pistols, but it turns out they are all wrong. And it would be okay to banana armies, but the US army fights a lot and often, and pistols with a single-row exit - okay, let there be corruption and lobbying, but Israel is a desert, sand, and again Jericho 941 with a single-row exit? What is the reason why H&K, ZiG and others do not make a double row output of cartridges?

[bunta]

Do you think that if "the whole world is at war," then it is fighting with weapons created by engineers with knowledge of weapon specifics? By the way, the pistol is not meant to be "fought". It is mainly operated by policemen and majors from IPSC. Or do you have statistics on the losses of the enemy in battle from pistol fire compared to rifle / submachine gun?

Quote: AVM

Do you think that a magazine with a two-row output of cartridges is some kind of unknown technology

This is not a technology, it is a technical solution. And in this solution, according to the laws of mechanics, discovered by Archimedes, the feed force to the upper cartridge is half the force of the feed spring. It's enough. And "the whole world" is not an indicator. Otherwise, we would all be under the rainbow flag now.

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Quote: bunta

Do you think that if "the whole world is at war," then it is fighting with weapons created by engineers with knowledge of weapon specifics?

Are there engineers with knowledge of weapon specifics only in Russia?

Quote: bunta

By the way, the pistol is not meant to be "fought".

Then why the pistol is being developed by “Engineers with knowledge of weapon specifics”?

Is the US Army adopting pistols as a result of a long and complex tender just to carry them? What is the use of a pistol in the Armed Forces, then?

Quote: bunta

Or do you have statistics on the losses of the enemy in battle from pistol fire compared to rifle / submachine gun?

No, what about you?

If they don't fight with a pistol, then why do we need a new one - to spend money? For officers to wear order and PM will do, it is more convenient - familiar, compact. Or are we the only ones fighting with pistols, but they are not, and that's why we walked with PM for 70 years? Double standarts.

Quote: bunta

They are mainly operated by police officers.

Police officers also do not always work in perfect cleanliness - dust and sand will not seem a little in Texas, I think natural selection would quickly reveal the decisive advantage of a store with a two-row exit, but for some reason this did not happen. Especially in the USA, where there is a huge arms market, incl. pistols.

Unviable designs usually fall off quickly, and a single-row store is livelier than all living things. Had a two-row outlet, fundamental advantages in terms of reliability, then it would be in demand at least among all survivors, supporters of the zombie apocalypse (like AK), and the same Glock would quickly master the market niche. But for some reason, even their special equipment does not go with ultra-reliable pistols with a two-row exit.

Quote: bunta

and majors from IPSC.

You have some kind of hatred for IPSC. There are reasons?

Quote: bunta

Quote: AVM

Do you think that a magazine with a two-row output of cartridges is some kind of unknown technology

This is not a technology, it is a technical solution.

Sometimes technical solutions require technologies that are not available to implement them. Hence the sarcasm, since Western manufacturers are much better equipped than we are, and they can make a double-row exit in a store without any problems, but for some reason they don't. Are they familiar with our weapons anyway?

Quote: bunta

And in this solution, according to the laws of mechanics, discovered by Archimedes, the feed force to the upper cartridge is half the force of the feed spring.

The question is, is this effort sufficient or not in principle? Or will we create a situation where the magazine can be soiled so that the cartridges seem to rise up the magazine, but when fed, the pistol jams tightly?

In general, it seems that an excellent reason was invented to close your army market from competitors, a test was summed up for it, unrealizable in reality, but which not a single foreign pistol will pass.

[bunta]

Quote: AVM

Are there engineers with knowledge of weapon specifics only in Russia?

Only in Russia there are specialized courses in universities and technical schools. And only a graduate of the Izhevsk Industrial College, who graduated from the course - special machines and devices, brought the AN-94 into service.

Quote: AVM

Is the US Army adopting pistols as a result of a long and complex tender just to carry them? What is the use of a pistol in the Armed Forces, then?

That's right - the tender. And not by scientific development in the analytical centers of the Ministry of Defense. The weapon is being developed under the cartridge. And preferably once. In the case of the zig, which replaced the Beretta, the reason for the replacement was precisely the low reliability of the Beretta. The cartridge remains the same. In ten to twenty years another "tender" will be announced. The pistol is a personal weapon of the last chance. He does not need more than 6-8 rounds. Or do you think Makarov and those GRAU officers who went through the school of the big war are fools? But suddenly, after many years, such a number of cartridges began to be considered a shortage. Purqua? The policemen and athletes need more, but they do not have powerful institutions; there they are replaced by "experts" by the name of Kirisenko. Or now Vlasenko is a complete sucker, nevertheless, the head of the development of civilian weapons in the concern.

Quote: AVM

But for some reason, even their special equipment does not go with ultra-reliable pistols with a two-row exit.

Do you know what a teapot gives out in questions about weapons - a constant appeal to the "specialist" as the last resort in questions of the assessment of weapons. I personally know a few. Ordinary guys with their own problems. No attempts to be exclusive. They are sincerely interested in all questions of the shooters, including glocks and zigs.

Quote: AVM

You have some kind of hatred for IPSC. There are reasons?

Yes. The training system they are introducing into combat units is sabotage.

Quote: AVM

Western manufacturers are much better equipped than we are, and they can make a double-row outlet in a store without any problems, but for some reason they don't.

You are wrong. "Do" and "create" are different concepts. Lebedev, even with unlimited funding, did not begin to develop a new store for his pistol. I took the ready-made one from the chezete. Do you think the concern measured the dimensions with a barbell like this, made stamps and off it? In my opinion, he is still suffering with this store. Why are they still using a single row? There are a number of objective reasons, including why the Glock uses a single row. But, sorry, not for a comment. To write a lot and a little physics, not everyone understands it.

Quote: AVM

The question is, is this effort sufficient or not in principle?

There is no such question, there are calculation formulas for almost every weapon assembly.

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Quote: bunta

Quote: AVM

Are there engineers with knowledge of weapon specifics only in Russia?

Only in Russia there are specialized courses in universities and technical schools. And only a graduate of the Izhevsk Industrial College, who graduated from the course - special machines and devices, brought the AN-94 into service.

We also have specialized courses on the creation of cars in universities and technical schools, we did not become legislators of the automotive industry because of this.

Why do you single out the AN-94 so much? In other countries, no less advanced products were created, in the end it is too complicated, this cable, did the updated AK go to the troops anyway?

Quote: bunta

That's right - the tender. And not by scientific development in the analytical centers of the Ministry of Defense. The weapon is being developed under the cartridge. And preferably once. In the case of the zig, which replaced the Beretta, the reason for the replacement was precisely the low reliability of the Beretta. The cartridge remained the same. In ten to twenty years another "tender" will be announced.

Maybe they will. Tender, if honest and open, is the best way to procure. Under one condition - a competent technical specification, and this is exactly what the analytical centers of the Ministry of Defense should do, and the task of manufacturers is to fulfill or exceed these requirements. At the same time, this does not mean that the industry itself cannot form ideas, or specialized organizations, such as some kind of institutes or research institutes.

Quote: bunta

The pistol is a personal weapon of the last chance. He does not need more than 6-8 rounds.

So I say PM-is it enough?

Quote: bunta

Or do you think Makarov and those GRAU officers who went through the school of the big war are fools?

No, but conditions are changing, tactics are changing, even people are changing, although this is not so noticeable.

Quote: bunta

But suddenly, after many years, such a number of cartridges began to be considered a shortage. Purqua? Policemen and athletes need more ...

NIB appeared, because of which it was necessary to shoot at the BB in a series, there were stoned mujahideen, who had to be fired at until they fell - the central nervous system or the heart would not be guaranteed to be affected.

Quote: bunta

Quote: AVM

But for some reason, even their special equipment does not go with ultra-reliable pistols with a two-row exit.

Do you know what a teapot gives out in questions about weapons - a constant appeal to the "specialist" as to the last resort in questions about the assessment of weapons.

And an attempt to discredit the opponent speaks of the absence of sane argumentation.

Quote: AVM

I personally know a few. Ordinary guys with their own problems. No attempts to be exclusive. They are sincerely interested in all questions of the shooters, including glocks and zigs.

And they use Glocks and Zigas if they give, and not a "super reliable" Rook. And this is an indicator.

Quote: bunta

Quote: AVM

You have some kind of hatred for IPSC. There are reasons?

Yes. The training system they are introducing into combat units is sabotage.

I have no information about this, but seeing what was earlier in the linear units of the Armed Forces and in the militia / police in terms of working with a pistol (and even now, I think), it is simply impossible to spoil anything there in principle. I will not say about the special forces, perhaps they have their own methods.

Quote: AVM

Western manufacturers are much better equipped than we are, and they can make a double-row outlet in a store without any problems, but for some reason they don't.

Quote: bunta

You are wrong. "Do" and "create" are different concepts. Lebedev, even with unlimited funding, did not begin to develop a new store for his pistol. I took the ready-made one from the chezete. Do you think the concern measured the dimensions with a barbell like this, made stamps and off it? In my opinion, he is still suffering with this store. Why are they still using a single row? There are a number of objective reasons, including why the Glock uses a single row. But, sorry, not for a comment. To write a lot and a little physics, not everyone understands it.

Are you not from JSC TsNIITOCHMASH?

Quote: bunta

Quote: AVM

The question is, is this effort sufficient or not in principle?

There is no such question, there are calculation formulas for almost every weapon assembly.

You know, there is such a feature in tenders - the TK indicates the indicator that the “necessary” supplier has, for example, so that the engine has a capacity of exactly 221 hp, no less. At the same time, there are 50 more suppliers with a 118 hp engine. At the same time, there are objective reasons to put 221 hp. no, but "I really want to."

So it is with a two-row outlet of the store - there is no critical problem with a single-row outlet, but you can easily get rid of a lot of competitors, justifying this by the exceptional importance of this particular solution, and writing the appropriate formulas for this case.

There are such concepts as "necessary" and "enough".

[bunta]

Quote: AVM

Are you not from JSC TsNIITOCHMASH?

Izhevsk, a gunsmith engineer by training, a former worker of the Soviet military acceptance 1517 of the Air Force of the USSR Ministry of Defense.

Quote: AVM

So it is with a two-row outlet of the store - there is no critical problem with a single-row outlet, but you can easily get rid of a lot of competitors, justifying this by the exceptional importance of this particular solution, and writing the appropriate formulas for this case.

Sorry, but after this demagogy, I don't see any point in keeping up the conversation.

[Kapkan]

Good afternoon!
Look, in a piggy bank, so to speak, how another murderer of blacks almost died in a shootout from his Glock

[Artyom Karagodin]

The army has already chosen the "Boa constrictor".

[Alex777]

"Boas" will go mainly into the armament of special forces and intelligence units. The novelty will also be received by ordinary military personnel - drivers, signalmen, logistics specialists.

Interestingly, here everyone who is supposed to have a pistol has been listed or has someone forgotten?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Alex777

Interestingly, here everyone who is supposed to have a pistol has been listed or has someone forgotten?

They forgot the granny from VOKHR, although she was supposed to have a SCS, but I think she would not refuse Mauser ...

[Alex777]

They forgot the granny from VOKHR, although she was supposed to have a SCS, but I think she would not refuse Mauser ...

Do you think so?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Alex777

Do you think so?

More specifically?

[aesculapius]

It seems that grannies wore nagans from the

[Lara Croft]

Quote: eskulap

It seems that grannies wore nagans from the

In the 17th? I saw in the early 90s from SKS, in Moscow on a railway bridge across the river. Moscow in the region of AMO-ZIL ...

[tima_ga]

Granny, you need to be a kettlebell discharger to cope with the SCS :)
Granny from VOKHR has long been replaced by an army of guards, there, every stall has a guard, and some of them with izhi and saigas ...

[Mountain shooter]

Kept it at the exhibition. As for me, very "good", it is comfortable in the hand. It's a pity I didn't have a chance to shoot.

[bunta]

Nonsense is a simple matter. Initially, the PL was developed independently as the Glock's killer since 2014, with the expectation of the external market, which was covered up due to sanctions. No Rosgvardia was even close. It was created in April 16. After multiple screenings at the exhibition of the Ministry of Defense "Armament 2015 ... 2020" it suddenly turns out that it turns out to have been developed by the "order" of the Russian Guard since 17. Yeah. The army does not need this pistol for objective reasons, the main of which is reliability. In order to somehow recapture some of the money spent on the development and PR of this pistol, they decided to use the most obedient creature - Zolotov. The future of this product is doubtful, not only because of design errors, but also in the fact that the system for setting up production of new products in the concern has nothing to do with it. Since the great collapse, neither Izhmash nor the concern have put into production a single product designed from scratch. There were many alterations of the Kalashnikov assault rifle and usually not for the better.

[Operator]

Less than 75 years later, a 9x18 police pistol was replaced with an army 9x20 pistol

[senima56]

Long overdue!

[hose end]

We don't need Glocks and Swifts. For specialists, everything is there, but no, for OWN money they will buy 20 years of practice. PM is bought in the USA, In a country with a developed weapons culture. In the states they take CP1 and Makar with TT We have no money, but there are travel serial barrels (except for TT) TT do not take it, this is not a fuse

[tima_ga]

Recently I saw a platoon of guardsmen, some with a chestnut, some with a cedar, some with a cypress ... Like some kind of militia, who got what.
They still have to decide on a single PP.

[storm]

The guys from "Alpha" prefer to work with Glock, and they want to trust them much more than various "amateurs of practical and theoretical shooting", because their life depends on the right weapon, and not the results of "shooting" in the shooting range ....

The "boa constrictor" is certainly more powerful, but where can a special forces soldier get 9x21 cartridges if he performs a combat mission behind enemy lines, and in a remote garrison these cartridges "in the daytime with fire" cannot be found to replenish ammunition ....
The 9x19 cartridge is the most widespread in the world, and even in Russia there is in any weapons store, therefore it is better to have a submarine or Glock with you than the more powerful "Boa constrictor".