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"India has become a world center of artillery": foreign press on the results of the abandonment of Soviet weapons

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Howitzer ATAGS



As a result of the refusal to use outdated Soviet weapons in India, an entire branch of the military-industrial complex was created, producing various artillery systems. The greatest variety is typical for towed howitzers.

The most massive of these is the 155mm Dhanush, a technology transfer based on the Swedish FH77B. The Indian Army acquired hundreds of the latter in the 1980s, and they performed well during the 1998 Kargil War. With a four-wheeled carriage, a hydraulic drive to aid in loading, and an upgraded barrel, Dhanush fires various types of ammunition (including rockets) at a distance of up to 38 km.

Its competitor is the 155mm ATAGS (Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System) towed howitzer. She is currently completing the testing phase. Under the auspices of the Kalyani Group, the owner of the steel plant where the gun is produced, another system was developed - the 155-mm Bharat-52 based on the Israeli Soltam / ATHOS cannon. To keep up with private traders, OFB (Council armory factories, led by the Ministry of Defense) produces the same howitzer called Sharang.

Another Indian manufacturer, Larsen & Toubro, has acquired licenses for two world-class guns. These are the French-made 155 mm TRAJAN or TRF1 towed howitzer and the South Korean K9 Thunder self-propelled howitzer, renamed Vajra. Currently, the Vajra is the main self-propelled howitzer of the Indian army after the local Catapult counterparts, the Soviet 2C1 Gvozdika and the British Abbot, were removed from service. However, Vajra's success did not extend to TRAJAN.


Howitzer Dhanush


The Indian army is also looking for a howitzer on a car chassis. The Kalyani Group tried to answer the challenge by releasing a light 155-mm howitzer on an automotive platform, opposing the Denel T5 gun licensed by TATA Defense.

In general, the military-industrial sector of India can serially produce several models of 155-mm towed howitzers (Dhanush, Sharang, ATAGS, Bharat-52, Bharat ULH, TRAJAN) and the same number of self-propelled guns of this type

- noted in the foreign edition 21AAR.

At the same time, as noted, smaller-caliber artillery pieces, as well as mortars and recoilless guns are produced exclusively at OFB facilities.

Given the existing production base and export potential, India's status as a world center of artillery can no longer be ignored.

- the conclusion is made in the foreign press.

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  1. isv000
    isv000 23 May 2021 14: 31
    +17
    Mom said - do not drink water from the Ganges, there will be no megalomania. Either they have great art, or the newest Russian aircraft are too complicated for a swarthy pilot ... fool
    1. Finches
      Finches 23 May 2021 14: 35
      +19
      To be honest, 30 years have passed since the USSR is gone ... Maybe the foreign press is not in the know?
      1. isv000
        isv000 23 May 2021 14: 37
        0
        And I never doubted it, like ... drinks
      2. yehat2
        yehat2 24 May 2021 09: 18
        +1
        Quote: Finches
        To be honest, 30 years have passed since the USSR is gone

        and real investments in the development of artillery ended 40 years ago.
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 23 May 2021 14: 42
      +17
      Hindus, with their thirst for diversity and the army, create masochism at the genetic level on the basis of the Kamasutra! India will be the first country in the world to adopt bicycle-powered howitzers!
      1. Petro_tut
        Petro_tut 23 May 2021 14: 45
        +12
        where bicycle-powered howitzers will be armed!

        You wrote off war elephants early hi
        1. Cat Alexandrovich
          Cat Alexandrovich 23 May 2021 15: 23
          0
          And after them camels wander into nowhere ... Also with howitzers on a trailer, of course ...
          1. isv000
            isv000 23 May 2021 15: 32
            +3
            In the Finnish war, we created a division of fighting elk: between the horns a machine gun was placed in the Finnish rear. Then they had to give up the machine guns - the moose had a concussion. The last kennel was killed in a German attack in 1941 ...
    3. Dr. Barmaley
      Dr. Barmaley 23 May 2021 20: 46
      +3
      If you drink water from the Ganges, you will have cholera, not megalomania.
      1. Alf
        Alf 23 May 2021 22: 46
        +1
        Quote: Dr. Barmaley
        If you drink water from the Ganges, you will have cholera, not megalomania.

        Diarrhea will break through them non-stop, no imodium will save you, you will have to insert plugs. laughing
  2. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 23 May 2021 14: 35
    +15
    After the famous video of the Indian crew shooting from the Swedish howitzer, it is not possible to seriously focus on them !!! wassat at least me. lol laughing
    1. isv000
      isv000 23 May 2021 14: 38
      +11
      Have you seen the divorce of the border guard on the Indo-Pakistani border? belay
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 23 May 2021 14: 45
        +10
        You can watch it endlessly! Bollywood is resting!
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 23 May 2021 20: 27
        -3
        Quote: isv000
        Have you seen the divorce of the border guard on the Indo-Pakistani border? belay

        Are they getting divorced with brains? And who will pay the alimony to whom?
        1. isv000
          isv000 23 May 2021 21: 32
          +1
          If something is wrong, correct it, do not scoff. As I memorized the Charter of the guard service, and I am writing. And "The divorce of the border guards" was already noted in the imperial army of Russia. "You have a nagant on your avatar - it's time to use it ... soldier
    2. isv000
      isv000 23 May 2021 14: 44
      +10
      It's not difficult to imagine what our officer would do if his calculation began to jump like that ... angry
    3. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 23 May 2021 14: 55
      +13
      This is when the knees above the chin jerk and squat with a half-puff? An epic sight ...
      But, apparently, without this, the weapon refuses to shoot.
    4. isv000
      isv000 23 May 2021 15: 42
      +5
      Twenty times already they could have been screwed on while the dances with tambourines go on ...
    5. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 23 May 2021 15: 51
      +2
      Quote: tralflot1832
      After the famous video of the Indian crew shooting from the Swedish howitzer, it is not possible to seriously focus on them !!! wassat at least me. lol laughing

      For southern countries - will go:

      Why isn't this a circus?
      1. AshPoseidon
        AshPoseidon 23 May 2021 16: 17
        +4
        laughing Yes, they arrange a show for the master. Advertising of Indian weapons.
    6. Rostislav Prokopenko
      Rostislav Prokopenko 23 May 2021 17: 17
      +6
      ... found a video laughing laughing
      everything is like in the Kama Sutra - only Hindus can repeat this
      but what is clearly visible - the senior who drives the cannon is a Sikh, some are running below ... clear segregation and no tolerance bully
  3. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 23 May 2021 14: 35
    +8
    The fact that the Indians have a "bunch" of trunks from different countries + their own licensed ones is not good. Lots of logistics problems. Regarding the "carnation" - an excellent system, floating and airmobile, unlike many others.
    1. Alexander 3
      Alexander 3 23 May 2021 14: 46
      +8
      In the course, everyone is counting on a lightning war, fired a couple of times and won.
      1. Olddetractor
        Olddetractor 23 May 2021 15: 38
        +5
        Even worse, everyone expects that there will be no war and that you can freely steal the loot released for armament
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 23 May 2021 19: 11
          +1
          You cannot joke with such "friends" as those of the Indians. Too serious contradictions. Defeats at the front can lead to the desire to use special warheads.
      2. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 23 May 2021 16: 10
        +6
        The recent pack wars have shown that there will be no quick victory. With China, even more so. The Indians, instead of unifying their weapons systems as much as possible, to acceptable 2 - 3 types, are engaged in nonsense. And it can end very sadly for them.
  4. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 23 May 2021 15: 08
    +9
    "India has become a world center of artillery"
    In principle, it is so. The dancers brought in artillery from all over the world. laughing
    True, they themselves cannot create anything, but they drag everything for themselves. If only it would shine. Magpies are elephant. By the way, at the end of the video "miracle" in a white skirt and light brown vest - is this their premiere? Or is it Voldemort?
    1. isv000
      isv000 23 May 2021 15: 44
      +5
      Like small children, they drag anything into the sandbox from anywhere ... fool
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 23 May 2021 15: 45
        +5
        But it is beautiful and shines laughing
        1. isv000
          isv000 23 May 2021 16: 04
          +2
          And flies to the same. Where - it doesn't matter ...
      2. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 24 May 2021 16: 37
        0
        Like small children, they drag anything into the sandbox from anywhere ...
        At least not in the mouth, like the Young Europeans. And that's okay.
    2. URAL72
      URAL72 23 May 2021 15: 49
      +9
      India has become a world center of artillery "

      It did not become the center, since the developments are foreign. Rather, it is a central museum, an exhibition.
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 23 May 2021 16: 05
        +1
        I repeat: But it is beautiful and shiny. laughing
        What do you want from gypsy dancers? Uma?
    3. Pandiurin
      Pandiurin 23 May 2021 15: 54
      +4
      Quote: stock buildbat
      "India has become a world center of artillery"
      In principle, it is so. The dancers brought in artillery from all over the world. laughing


      In this phrase, the word center is not clear,
      what does it mean in this context?

      Navel?
      What is the centrality, development, production, world leadership of artillery from India ...
      Unclear.

      It would be more correct to name the world's largest Museum of operating artillery systems of the leading countries in India.

      According to the meaning of the article, this success for the Indians is undeniable.
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 23 May 2021 16: 07
        +2
        The center in this case is a geographical concept. Artillery was bursting from all sides. Crazy, crazy about calculations and logic with logistics. But, I will repeat again: It is beautiful and shines. laughing
        1. UAZ 452
          UAZ 452 23 May 2021 21: 37
          0
          So I'm wondering: is this whole zoo at least unified in terms of ammunition?
          1. Reserve buildbat
            Reserve buildbat 23 May 2021 21: 39
            +1
            What other unification-shunification? Beautiful is when there are a lot of spillikins and everyone is different! And the same is boring! laughing
            1. UAZ 452
              UAZ 452 23 May 2021 21: 40
              +1
              And the truth is - what am I ... laughing
  5. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 23 May 2021 15: 39
    +6
    "India has become a world center of artillery": laughing How much pathos.
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 23 May 2021 15: 54
    +3
    India has become a world center of artillery ": foreign press on the results of the abandonment of Soviet weapons
    ... They invented / created something new, outstanding ???
  7. Kaw
    Kaw 23 May 2021 16: 09
    +5
    Now, we are now adopting another modification of the Msta gun with a maximum range of 29 km.
  8. Ros 56
    Ros 56 23 May 2021 16: 40
    +3
    The good Hindus are gunners, and the dancers are even better, while they dance around the cannon, they have already been covered or the war is over. wassat
  9. Alexander Kopychev
    Alexander Kopychev 23 May 2021 17: 10
    +5
    Of course it's time to change - Russian cannons cannot shoot in such conditions.
    1. Alexander Kopychev
      Alexander Kopychev 23 May 2021 17: 23
      0
      Hopelessly late with comments ... laughing
  10. UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 23 May 2021 21: 36
    +2
    The number of types of practically identical weapons does not always grow into quality, more often the opposite (the huge zoo of armored vehicles currently being developed in Russia, unfortunately, confirms this thesis). And the big question is whether towed artillery as such is outdated in modern warfare? A self-propelled gun on a car chassis is not much more expensive than a towed one, and mobility increases dramatically, and due to it and survivability - it stopped, fired and fired at the gases until it was covered.
    1. Alf
      Alf 23 May 2021 22: 51
      +3
      Quote: UAZ 452
      And the big question is whether towed artillery as such is outdated in modern warfare?

      It depends on what kind of war, or rather, it depends on whom. If between Russia and the United States, even without nuclear weapons, then it is outdated, and if, as in Syria or military equipment, then towed one will do. And to fight with any Basmachi, it is quite simple and cheap, the answer will not arrive. If in Syria even the M-46 and M-47 of the birth of the early 50s are used ..
  11. Azimuth
    Azimuth 24 May 2021 00: 34
    +4
    Quote: UAZ 452
    The number of types of practically identical weapons does not always grow into quality, more often the opposite (the huge zoo of armored vehicles currently being developed in Russia, unfortunately, confirms this thesis). And the big question is whether towed artillery as such is outdated in modern warfare? A self-propelled gun on a car chassis is not much more expensive than a towed one, and mobility increases dramatically, and due to it and survivability - it stopped, fired and fired at the gases until it was covered.

    The relief and geography are different, in a number of regions, not only in India, but in our country, there is simply nothing to do with self-propelled guns, and they cannot be delivered there, including on a car chassis.
    Towed artillery is not as hopeless as it might seem. The same Swedish FH77 howitzer is quite effective. Although the Swedes are not NATO members, they take into account the bloc's standards.

    India's switch to 155mm caliber played a positive role. There are many more developers of this ammunition in the world and most of them are countries with advanced science, technology and the military-industrial complex. That is, the choice is wide and the samples are one more modern than the other.
  12. Ilya_Nsk
    Ilya_Nsk 24 May 2021 05: 26
    0
    We saw these gunners with this "Danus". To the music from Benny Hill it is very good. They have been making their own tank for 30 years, and the cannon too. Flag in hand, the road will be mastered by the walking
  13. Tambov-there is god
    Tambov-there is god 24 May 2021 09: 41
    -1
    It is time for Russia to throw away its policy of "general friendship" in the trash. The scoundrels from Emeryki with impudence manage with us, and not only with us, with much less contradiction between the parties, to wrap up such conflicts that one is amazed. What he-and we share with the stupid Selyuk-Banderlog? But they did. But I wonder whose artillery is stronger - in the crappy states, or in the republican ones? Or, who is the best artilleryman - a black man from BLM or a redneck from KKK? And already got the censorship, you have to call the goats people. I'm talking about n .... sorry Americans.
  14. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 24 May 2021 11: 10
    +1
    Even before the Coalition, it makes no sense for them to stomp and stomp and sell or transfer technology, let them lick the technologies of Europe and America.
  15. xomaNN
    xomaNN 24 May 2021 21: 55
    +1
    Well, well done for buying several DIFFERENT art systems from different countries and manufacturers. And from experience and comparison of other people's guns and develop their own guns.