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UAV manufacturer Bayraktar TB2 draws attention to the drone's ability to operate without a GPS navigation system

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Turkey is thinking about expanding the export program for Bayraktar TB2 strike-reconnaissance drones. Today, these drones are in service (in addition to Turkey itself) in the troops of Azerbaijan, Qatar and Ukraine. At the same time, it is important to what characteristics of their drone the Turkish manufacturers from the Baykar company are trying to draw the attention of potential buyers to.


It is noted that the drone has an important ability - to fly and search for targets without using a GPS navigation system. In particular, it is indicated that the navigation functions are performed by a multisensor system, which makes Bayraktar TB2 less vulnerable to electronic jamming and distortion of the navigation signal.

In this statement, experts saw a kind of "prick" towards the United States. Earlier in Turkey, the question was repeatedly raised that all information about flights "actually leaks to American specialists who fully control the GPS navigation resources." Moreover, it was noted that the accuracy of determining coordinates can differ significantly when performing Turkish aviation various operations. In particular, they pointed to problems with the accuracy of determining coordinates during operations against Kurdish armed groups in northern Syria and Iraq. In Turkey, accusations were often made against the United States that Washington, instead of supporting a NATO partner, is supporting Kurdish formations, not recognizing them as terrorist.

Now Turkish experts are making it clear that they are trying to use navigation equipment that does not depend on "external factors". It does not directly indicate the ability of the United States to influence the acquisition of GPS data, but the mention of the importance of using the Bayraktar TB2 UAV navigation system without GPS speaks volumes.
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  1. Thrifty
    Thrifty 23 May 2021 11: 07
    -1
    Well, maybe let's check how their multi-sensor system makes the drone almost invisible? Turks are still the storytellers!
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 23 May 2021 15: 53
      -1
      Quote: Thrifty
      Turks are still the storytellers!

      Smelled money. All sorts of Sumerias, Pshekis and other Melkonatists vyaknul about the fact that there is a desire to buy buy-workers, so the Turks are promoting advertising.
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 23 May 2021 11: 07
    +10
    UAV manufacturer Bayraktar TB2 draws attention to the drone's ability to operate without a GPS navigation system
    ... And what is it? Reasonable approach.
    1. NIKN
      NIKN 23 May 2021 11: 12
      +5
      What kind of system is it? Not stellar navigation, is it? How can you surpass GPS accuracy with a minimum of equipment? Mapping or manual control ... Well, okay, we solved the problem, so we decided, let's look at the results.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 23 May 2021 11: 21
        +5
        Quote: NIKNN
        GPS accuracy can be surpassed with a minimum of equipment

        It was, a long time ago, they made similar systems for their aviation ... it was a "cabinet" not small!
        Now, the same thing can be implemented on the basis of a good tablet !!! If the problem needs to be solved not on a global scale, you can make a smaller device.
        The technique does not stand still.
      2. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 23 May 2021 11: 25
        +2
        Quote: NIKNN
        Mapping or manual control


        A combination of both. MIlSAR radars are installed on Bayraktars.

        The MILSAR SAR / MTI UAV radar is designed for use on airborne platforms for reconnaissance, surveillance, reconnaissance, deterrence and attacks. It has universal moving target indication (MTI) for detecting and tracking potential targets and synthetic aperture radar (SAR) modes for high-resolution imaging and all-weather radar, target classification and ground mapping. In addition, the work of MILSAR together with the EO / IR sensor in the signal-to-signal mode increases the efficiency of joint UAV and UAV operations by maximizing UAV surveillance over a wide area and increasing the UAV attack capabilities.
        https://www.meteksan.com/en/products/radar-systems/milsar-uav-sar-gmti-radar
        1. nobody75
          nobody75 23 May 2021 11: 55
          +4
          OK, the radar can work in mapping mode. The only thing left is to load electronic maps of the terrain into the UAV and recalculate the mapping data in real time, depending on the barometric altitude and coordinates of the UAV according to ins. Do you imagine algorithmic complexity? As they wrote above - any tablet will cope? And with large errors in the coordinates, instead of the "familiar" map, you will see the face of a Martian woman, a pyramid and an impossible bird ... So in the worst case, your UAV will think that it is slowly hovering in the atmosphere of Mars, and in the best case, over the Nazca desert. All that the Turks could achieve is to eliminate the systematic error that the Americans deliberately introduce into gps. And the primary geolocation of the UAV is still received via gps.
          Sincerely
          1. military_cat
            military_cat 24 May 2021 21: 36
            0
            I would not be dramatic. Look, everything works for people on a copter, and this is without GPS.

            1. nobody75
              nobody75 25 May 2021 06: 22
              0
              At such distances and heights, with so many turns and the ins works well. And in the video there is an optical picture, and above it was about a radar. Tomahawks could also recognize the relief by a pattern along the trajectory, but in a narrow strip ... And if we compare the areas covered by the UAV and CR radars, the picture becomes less joyful ... Taking into account the fact that each acceleration and deceleration will introduce an error in the ins. ..
              Sincerely
        2. lucul
          lucul 23 May 2021 12: 39
          +1
          MIlSAR radars are installed on Bayraktars

          When you turn on this radar, it will glow on the radar like a Christmas tree))))
      3. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 23 May 2021 12: 00
        +3
        Quote: NIKNN
        come on, we solved the problem, so we decided, let's look at the results.

        That’s the question: if it’s an autonomous system, binding, dead reckoning, it’s interesting how accurate it is; and if this is the use of navigational beacons, then well done: simple and unpretentious, very reliable, but only where there are these beacons ...
      4. lucul
        lucul 23 May 2021 12: 44
        0
        You can beat GPS accuracy

        GLONASS is more accurate than GPS, though under the necessary condition - a complete set of satellites in orbit, but this is the problem.
        1. NIKN
          NIKN 23 May 2021 12: 47
          +1
          I meant satellite navigation in general, I apologize for the familiar abbreviation, which is already in the language ... repeat
  3. xorek
    xorek 23 May 2021 11: 08
    -3
    See the Turks, how would these UAVs fly back to you .. So that no offense!
  4. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 23 May 2021 11: 22
    -2
    Oh, these storytellers !!! IN
    a biker sits a Turk and a sextant in the sun or at night determines the coordinates? Nonsense! The same nonsense that it is done by an automatics or an operator !!!
  5. askort154
    askort154 23 May 2021 12: 00
    +1
    Turkey is in second place after China in "3D copying". We started in the light industry, sewing clothes and shoes according to Italian and American patterns, assigning our brands to them. With these cheap products, they attracted tourists from many countries, including Russian ones, which developed "shuttle" supplies of Turkish consumer goods to Russia in the 90s. The Bayakbarbar company was founded in 1984 and specialized in the production of automotive equipment. Since 2000, she has been engaged in the field of aircraft construction. In 2005, a demonstration took place.
    mini UAV (Bayakbarbar Miny). And TV-2 began to be tested in 2014, and in the same year they put it into service. He flew Canadian engines. After his "high-profile" debut in Libya, Canada cut off the supply of its engines. Erdogan made friends with Ukraine. After Zelensky's trip to Turkey, he signed an agreement with him on "joint production", supplying Ukraine with 6 pieces. Now "Bayakbara" will fly not on Canadian engines, but on Ukrainian ones.
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 23 May 2021 18: 13
      +2
      Quote: askort154
      Now "Bayakbara" will fly not on Canadian engines, but on Ukrainian ones.

      Canadians supplied engines to TV-2, and Ukrainians to Akinchi. These, in my opinion, are completely different devices and, accordingly, the engines are not interchangeable.
  6. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 23 May 2021 12: 19
    -1
    ..It is noted that the drone has an important ability.
    Where and by whom is it celebrated?
    In this statement, experts saw a kind of "prick" towards the United States.

    Which experts and where did they see it?
    the mention of the importance of using the Bayraktar TB2 UAV navigation system without GPS speaks volumes.

    What does this "much" mean?

    Blank article, no links to sources. In general, links are not given to VO. But earlier, at least they mentioned from whom the infa arrived.

    All "decent" UAVs can fly in automatic mode for a long time, several types of terrain scanning mode and do not depend on GPS. And in "good" UAVs, constant monitoring of the correspondence of the coordinates received from the GPS to the ground situation is carried out.
    1. lucul
      lucul 23 May 2021 12: 43
      -2
      All "decent" UAVs can fly in automatic mode for a long time,

      Indeed, in this mode they are most vulnerable to electronic warfare.
  7. minus
    minus 23 May 2021 13: 11
    +3
    **** In this statement, the experts saw a kind of "prick" at the United States. Earlier in Turkey, the question was repeatedly raised that all information about flights “actually leaks to American specialists who fully control the GPS navigation resources.” **** And how can information leak from the receiver? There is no feedback ...
  8. DED_peer_DED
    DED_peer_DED 23 May 2021 13: 38
    -2
    Mapping and a normal radar with this function can hardly be shoved into it.
    Perhaps GPS + power supply + manual control - fine-tuning to the target.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 23 May 2021 13: 47
      -1
      Quote: DED_peer_DED
      Mapping and a normal radar with this function can hardly be shoved into it.

      There is no normal radar, of course, the synthetic aperture radar is already there. Above I wrote which one, with a link to the manufacturer.
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 23 May 2021 19: 39
        0
        Forgive me, can you explain to me, stupid, how a radar with electronic scanning of navigation will help? Is it due to interference to the pole star?
        Sincerely
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 23 May 2021 20: 18
          -1
          Quote: nobody75
          can you tell me, stupid,

          Therefore, I will not explain. For many years of my life I realized that it is pointless or costs a lot of money. I earn money elsewhere, but for this I am not interested in explaining something to you.
          1. nobody75
            nobody75 23 May 2021 20: 20
            -1
            I make money elsewhere

            Are you synthesizing an aperture? A profitable business, probably ...
            Sincerely
      2. DED_peer_DED
        DED_peer_DED 25 May 2021 02: 02
        -1
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        There is no normal radar, of course, the synthetic aperture radar is already there.

        Radar without a computer for cartography will not steer, time.
        AFAR with the power of a Chinese flashlight, two.
        Pipelats energy (watts - kilowatts of electricity) 3-4 and 5 ...
        This complex has a complete swindle, three.
        And further, what kind of education do you have, work experience in the VVS-VKS, computer experience (above average, of course, I mean)?
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 25 May 2021 07: 22
          0
          Higher education in radio engineering, communications officer, 10 years in software development in leadership positions.
          There will be enough energy to operate for several tens of kilometers, on this UAV 6-7 "computers" are already worth it, it is not a problem to write software for calculations. I can also create such a system, with proper funding and access to the western element base.

          Here is the development the beginning of the century, now technology has advanced much further.
          radiocom-review.blogspot.com/2012/10/iai-sargmti-elm-2054.html
          TECHNICAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THE ELM-2054 ON-BOARD RADAR

          ■ Observation range: more than 10 kilometers, depending on the mode.

          ■ Observation of all objects along the lane of the aircraft with a collection speed of up to 360 km² / h.

          ■ Sector of scanning for detection and identification of ground moving targets: selectable up to full 360º.

          ■ Stable observation area for detection and identification of ground moving targets: up to 25 km².

          ■ Interface: Ethernet or serial RS-422.

          ■ Weight: typical 12 kg.

          ■ Power consumption: 250 W at DC voltage
          28 V.
        2. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 25 May 2021 08: 07
          0
          For ELM-2054, the old values ​​were given, the new ones are even more interesting.
          https://www.iai.co.il/p/elm-2054

  9. isv000
    isv000 23 May 2021 13: 55
    -4
    And it seems like they recently landed such invulnerable electronic warfare in the Donbas?
  10. Errr
    Errr 23 May 2021 14: 28
    -1
    ... indicates that navigation functions are performed by multisensor system...
    It at the heart of its nothing but trivial inertial navigation system with some, obviously, correction. In general, nothing new.
  11. Petro_tut
    Petro_tut 23 May 2021 15: 23
    -1
    the mention of the importance of using the Bayraktar TB2 UAV navigation system without GPS speaks volumes.
    the astrolabe was screwed to the drone, not otherwise ...
  12. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 24 May 2021 07: 10
    +1
    Well, in addition to GPS, there are also systems, and there are still various inertial and non-inertial systems ... The French supplied us, then, it seems, they began to do it themselves.
  13. riwas
    riwas 24 May 2021 07: 13
    +1
    Yes, Russia, China and even the DPRK have electronic jamming systems for the GPS satellite navigation system.
    The effectiveness of Russian electronic warfare systems was felt by the American military in Syria: they were deprived of communication and the ability to navigate. One of the alternatives to GPS is called MAGNAV. It is a navigation system for the Earth's magnetic field. Its tension varies depending on location. If you correlate the readings of the sensors with a magnetic card, you can determine your coordinates with an accuracy of 10 meters. It is not as accurate as GPS, but much better than Inertial Navigation Systems (INS). However, the most serious problem is the lack of detailed magnetic maps of potential opponents of the United States and the inability to obtain them. In this case, the military offers a combined navigation system: to the border, the missile can fly on MAGNAV, and then switch to a trouble-free, albeit inaccurate, INS.