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When the Poles took Berlin

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When the Poles took Berlin

An old English proverb says that when a war breaks out, the truth becomes its first victim. In September 1939, the Poles broadened the British experience, convincingly proving that the first winner in a war is a lie.


The tales of the September campaign made millions of Poles believe in the breakthrough of the Western Front, in the bombing of Berlin and other German cities, in the successes of the Polish cavalry, in a completely different war. She forced the Poles to fight with faith in victory, while the war inevitably led to defeat.

“The enemy, wishing to break our moral resistance, tries to spread false newsportraying the situation in the darkest colors ",

- said in the military messages of the Polish radio.

Thus, people knew as much as they could read in the press or hear on the radio. The picture of the war emanating from these sources is a completely forgotten and perhaps extremely important image of September 1939. It is clear that the morale of the belligerent people was important. But at the same time it is scary to think what would happen if they knew that everything was lost from the very beginning.

on September 2


Already on the first day of the war, the official communiqué of the High Command, published in the press, reported that Poland had lost only two aircraft. At the same time, it was reported that the airspace of Germany was controlled by the British Air Force. Krakow newspaper "Tempo of the Day" September 2 reported:

In response to the treacherous attack by the German aviation on the cities of Poland, Polish pilots bombed Berlin and Gdansk.

From the September 2 communiqué of the High Command, which reported that the Poles had lost only 12 aircraft in two days, it could be concluded that the Polish losses in the campaign to Berlin were relatively small. Poland's airborne victory over Danzig was all the more valuable because, as the press reported that day, "Gauleiter Forster announced the annexation of Gdansk to the Reich".


The announcements the next day were dominated by news of the entry of England and France into the war. The enthusiasm of the crowd in front of the British Embassy in Warsaw seemed to have no end. The Polish press reported on a "united front of freedom against German barbarism." The very next day, in an official radio broadcast, it was announced that the French army had broken through the German front in seven places and was advancing deep into Germany.

on September 6


"Express Poranny" of September 6, confirming this very favorable news for Poland, supplemented it with information about the raid of Polish bombers on Berlin. For obvious reasons, no details were reported, but Polish Radio was able to establish that "All our planes in the amount of 30 returned to the airbases safe and sound".

If someone of little faith doubted the development of events that would be successful for Poland, then he had to believe Stefan Stazhinsky, the heroic civilian commissioner for the defense of Warsaw, who on September 9, 1939 in one of the historical appeals to the public said:

Germany, wishing to defend itself in the west, must withdraw its troops from our front in order to transfer them to the Anglo-French front. They have already transferred six divisions, many bomber squadrons and armored units to the Western Front.

A week later, it turned out that no one had transferred a single soldier to the Anglo-French front, and there was no front, except for the tragic Polish front. When the Soviet units crossed the borders of Poland, no one even tried to create a front in the east, and the government simply went abroad.

So, counting on the solemn assurances of the British and French, stuck in ignorance and delusion that the army of Marshal Smigly Rydz is a completely modern army - which was repeated like a mantra before the war - the Poles lived an illusion. When, amid the roar of bombs falling on Polish cities, they bought newspapers from newsstands, they read not only about the still defending Westerplatte, but also that the Allies fought "for our and your freedom", as it should be for the Allies, and that that Mussolini's Italy refused to Hitler. And even that the disgraced dictator, like the new Napoleon Bonaparte, allegedly took refuge on the island of Elba. That is, the war was already won then?

Now it is difficult to assess whether this propaganda has brought the expected benefits to their leaders? Were there units that, believing in success on other fronts, fought with great zeal and determination? Did the civilian population become more disciplined from this?

On the other hand, one can, without any doubt, assume that in many cases, false propaganda brought only losses and troubles.


By September 3, the border battle was lost and the German tank the groups moved to Warsaw. The idea of ​​"lightning war" celebrated its triumph in Poland. The Germans, closing the defeated units in the so-called "cauldrons", outstripped the Polish attempts to create a new defensive line on the line of the Warta and Vidavka rivers on September 4–5, and on September 6, near Tomaszow Mazowiecki, defeated the only Polish reserve army.

On that day, several high-ranking officers, together with General Kazimir Sosnkovsky and Colonel Tadeusz Tomashevsky, arguing that "tomorrow the guns in the middle of the city will rumble", demanded to tell the Poles the truth. There were fears that panic and uncontrollable behavior could arise in Warsaw, “living beyond reality”. Colonel Roman Umyastovsky was assigned to inform Poland about the true course of hostilities.

Umyastovsky was an experienced line commander, one of the few top Polish officers with a diploma from a higher military school. Before the war, he was the commander of the 37th Infantry Regiment in Kutno, a man of great intelligence and significant literary creativity, a patron of culture and, importantly, a man of utmost honesty. Perhaps this was precisely what he owed to his unexpected and undesirable appointment as head of the propaganda department at the headquarters of the commander-in-chief. His voice on Polish Radio in the first days of September recalled:

Soldiers, shoot slowly, every shot must be accurate. Shoot without haste.

First of all, Umyastovsky met with Marshal Edward Smigly-Rydz and informed him about the spontaneous, indiscriminate evacuation of people from the areas of hostilities. According to him, from 150 to 200 thousand people rushed to Warsaw, ready to fight, besieging military institutions.

The commander-in-chief knew about this and answered: now they must cross the Vistula, or even further to the east. I must tell them - there are no rifles, but you are holding on.

Colonel Umyastovsky, honestly carrying out the order of his commander-in-chief, did just that. At about midnight on September 6, he announced over the microphones of Polish radio that the Germans would appear near Warsaw in the near future, and urged the inhabitants of the capital to actively participate in the construction of fortifications and barricades. At the same time, he announced that people capable of fighting should immediately leave the capital and head east, where they would be drafted into the army.

And something happened that should have happened under such circumstances. After a week of brainwashing with false propaganda, the deceived people panicked. From 200 to 300 thousand people left Warsaw that night. They rushed disorganized and aimlessly to the east, into the unknown, under the bombs Luftwaffe and under the tracks of German tanks. The September apocalypse of Warsaw began.

Historians unjustly blamed Colonel Umyastovsky for this tragic episode. In fact, first of all, the false myth of strength, cohesion and readiness, stubbornly supported by the September fabrications, is to blame, even when the government and the highest state bodies fled from Warsaw towards the Romanian border.

on September 10



On Sunday 10 September, in the already besieged Warsaw, "Courier Varshavsky" in a black box in the first column published an obituary for the defenders of Westerplatte:

In memory of the heroes of Westerplatte. On the eighth day of the Polish-German war, September 8 this year, at 11:40 am [/ i] in the morning, after an incredibly heroic battle, the last soldiers of the Westerplatte garrison died in combat positions, defending the Polish Baltic.

It was another September fairy tale.

And not even because the date of surrender is incorrectly indicated - September 7. The implication of this lie is that the death of more than 200 defenders (actually only 15 soldiers) of Westerplatte should have sparked the ire of the continuing fighting Poles and the desire to strike back. Constants Ildefons Galczynski, believing, like the rest of Poland, in this fairy tale, wrote a touching poem:


When the days flared up
The fire of war is engulfed
They walked in ranks to the sky
Soldiers of Westerplatte.

It was only many years later that it became clear that the legendary history of the Westerplatte defense needed significant adjustments.

According to the latest data from historians, on the second day of the defense, the commander of the Polish outpost, Major Heinrich Sukharsky, decided to capitulate. It's hard to say why. Historians, like the officers of Westerplatte, suspected a nervous breakdown. Major Sukharsky ordered the burning of secret documents and code books, and then intended to hand over to Westerplatte. His orders were opposed by officers. The commandant was tied up and isolated from the soldiers in the basement. The command passed to his deputy for line affairs, Captain Franchisk Dombrowski. This sensational and, as it turned out, also scandalous story takes an extremely important place in the context of the September lie.

Perhaps the fact is that Sukharsky realized the pointlessness of protecting more than 24 hours of a Polish piece of land in the middle of the German elements. He could not count on any help, could not know that after the first assault the Germans would decide to attack only a week later (the daily bloody battles known from literature are another September tale).

And yet he was faced with a mutiny by his unit. Why?

Well, it is possible that, having heard on the radio on September 2 that the Poles were bombing Berlin, and the British troops landed near Gdynia, the Westerplatte garrison decided to continue the battle. Even against the orders of the commander. For who capitulates to the obvious imminent victory?

When they surrendered on September 7, in anticipation of the decisive assault by the Germans at Westerplatte, they already knew that they had been deceived. There was no English landing. In Germany there was no breakthrough of the Siegfried Line, there was no uprising against Hitler.


But in the rest of Poland, everything remained unchanged.

on September 12


From the newspaper "Khvylya"for example, one could find out that on the Western Front "the Germans are fleeing in panic." The French were reported to have broken through the Siegfried Line and were constantly advancing; the enemy tried desperately to resist. True, on September 7, the French launched their offensive in the west on a limited scale, but broke into enemy territory for only 20 kilometers, and then, standing in front of the main line of fortifications, stopped the attack. And on September 12, the Allies decided at a conference in Abbeville that there would be no further attacks.

On the other hand, the Polish press on the pages of its newspapers boldly compensated for the inaction of the allies on land, sea and in the air, declaring to everyone and everyone that honor is the highest value not only for Poles. Not only did the French beat the Germans, but the powerful British fleet also made its first strides. Moreover, 30 Polish bombers took to the skies over the German capital. Allegedly, they were preparing for a war in South America. Even in the Middle East - they knew it for sure - they had to take up weapon, 100-strong Jewish army in Palestine stands next to England to fight Nazi barbarism.


The worse things went on the battlefields, the better they went on the pages of the newspapers.

"Express Poranny" broadcast that the Polish cavalry entered East Prussia, and the British pilots destroyed the German naval bases. "The Germans fell out of the fire into the fire", the newspaper reported. BUT "Zennik Polish" from September 10, he frightened Hitler with a six million (!) Polish army, which at any moment - of course, after mobilization - could attack the Third Reich simultaneously with a strong French army.

on September 13


The day after the conference in Abbeville, evening "Hour" from September 13 on the front page wrote that the impulse of the German offensive in Poland was halted - for almost two weeks "the French were moving forward", and the Germans ran out of aviation fuel. In addition, German cities were badly hit by French and British air raids. The final celebration was near!


on September 14


From the same newspaper in the September 14 issue, readers could learn that Hitler failed the blitzkrieg, which causes great concern in the "den of the beast." The Germans take to the streets, demanding the trial of Hitler and his company, and Germany is engulfed in massive strikes. According to the German plan, on September 8, Warsaw was to be occupied, and on the 10th, Hitler was supposed to stand at the Warsaw Castle, as it was in Hradcany after the Czech occupation, reported "Hour"... But I forgot to report that on September 14 the last center of organized resistance over the Bzura River died out.

on September 18


Even on September 18, the newspapers wrote about further successes at the front.

The combined Polish-British fleet was to win the "great battle" of Gdynia, and pilots from France and Great Britain had already captured the Polish skies. Moreover, as one could read, the Germans insidiously spread "rumors" about the alleged escape of the Polish government from the war-torn country, but in fact the Red Army entered the war shoulder to shoulder with the Polish Army.

In fact, on September 17, the border with Romania was crossed by, among others, President Ignacy Moschchitsky, Prime Minister Felitsian Skladkovsky-Slava and, of course, Marshal Smigly-Rydz. For the fact that he left the fighting soldiers, an avalanche of criticism subsequently fell upon him, but in September 1939 only "Express Poranny" commented on this unfortunate fact with an indignant headline:

"We were deceived!"

The only question left is whether the heroism of the soldier deceived by his commanders is heroism?

And, perhaps, that September lie still became a lesson for those who know history and understand that their people cannot be deceived, even for the good.

Sources and literature:

R. Umiastowski. Dziennik wojenny 18 IX 1939 - 19 IX 1945, Wydawnictwo DiG, 2009.
F. Kłaput. Wspomnienia kaprala z września 1939... Wydawnictwo Literackie, 1983.
Text Songs of Westerplatte Soldiers cited from the publication: Ya. Pshimanovsky. Four troopers and a dog... Military Publishing, 1970.
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  1. Ravik
    Ravik 29 May 2021 05: 22
    +22
    Oh, those Polish fairy tales! Oh, those Polish storytellers !!!
    1. Mitroha
      Mitroha 29 May 2021 06: 36
      +34
      Firstly, many thanks for the insight into the history of Polish lies, as we see now, the Poles did not learn anything, and again they are white and fluffy, the West is with them, and Russia and the USSR are to blame for everything. And that we did not free them, but captured them, and the fight against the monuments of Soviet soldiers.
      Even the graves of hundreds of thousands of dead soldiers will not fix the hunchback.
      1. Basil50
        Basil50 29 May 2021 07: 58
        +21
        Alex
        I join in gratitude to the author. Press review reveals the degree of schizophrenia of the Polish government. The panic and flight of the Polish government in front of the Germans was caused by the fact that in the very first days in the border towns with a German population, the Poles were truly atrocities with Polish sadism. For these atrocities, Goebbels promised a lot to both the Polish government and the Poles, from which the ministers and their president rushed to hide. In the same row is the provocation in Gleiwitz, the bandits, after robbing a jeweler's bank and wealthy townspeople, fled to Polish territory. Shelenberg's tales in English captivity about dressing up corpses are nothing more than fairy tales.
        Surprisingly, until 1938, ALL Polish government was * pro-German *, and then suddenly, as at the snap of their fingers, the same politicians became rabid * pro-French-English *.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 29 May 2021 10: 20
      +17
      Quote: Ravik
      Oh, those Polish fairy tales! Oh, those Polish storytellers !!!

      Storytellers! Even supposedly Berlin was bombed, although already on September 1 the Germans smashed to dust all the airfields near Warsaw. Polish aviation was simply inactive, or evaded the battle. As General Kesselring wrote in these battles, "the 1st Air Fleet dominates, to a greater extent the enemy aircraft remains unnoticed."
      And on September 17, when the entire Polish leadership "draped" to Romania, an order was received to withdraw all Polish aviation to Romania. (After the war, Major Kalinowski tried to describe the Polish air force as heroic.) Meanwhile, the German air force was bombing Warsaw massively. The army, abandoned by its leadership, fought as best it could, and the people were ready to fight.
      1. mmaxx
        mmaxx 31 May 2021 14: 52
        +6
        If memory serves, the government was already in Romania on September 9th.
        In general, Poland is an amazing country. With an absolutely heroic people, rulers represent a complete will. Moreover, it does not depend on time.
        After all, if they were half a mile wiser, and there was no war with Germany.
    3. RealPilot
      RealPilot 30 May 2021 23: 44
      +4
      And now they have already "almost defeated" Russia ... Together with NATO and Ukraine.

      Well, well, nothing has changed there!
      The hangover, as always, will be bitter ...
      1. zenion
        zenion 1 August 2021 19: 35
        +1
        When the Poles took Berlin, the girls burst into tears.
  2. Far B
    Far B 29 May 2021 05: 25
    +16
    In any case, war is not the place for the full truth. If it is given out, then it is dosed, only that information that will have a positive effect on one's own people and a negative one on the enemy. And completely lying is, of course, complete nonsense. But what to go far, the Armenian-Azerbaijani turmoil has recently been, the Armenians, according to their reports, also had all the nishtyak.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 29 May 2021 05: 43
      +10
      You can’t lie to the people, even in dosage ... there will be no trust then to those who lie.
      There are no rifles, but you hold on ... one of our leaders also blurted out something similar. Poland had every chance of organizing a protracted war against Hitler,
      but chose to give up.
      I would not be surprised if the Poles now try to turn their shame into victory.
      1. Far B
        Far B 29 May 2021 06: 21
        +3
        Cho, like that and cut the truth-uterus ??? Where is which army, on which sector of the front and on what date is the offensive planned? Something you, my friend, is your will, or say something. War is war, it is necessary to dose infu volens-nolens.
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 29 May 2021 06: 52
          +7
          Yes, just like that ... to cut the truth to the womb.
          If half the truth is told, it is easy to lose reality.
          Well, for example, you say that our troops are retreating at the front, but do not say that they are retreating already near Moscow and the people will learn this from rumors and word of mouth ... This greatly contributes to the spread of panic.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 29 May 2021 10: 44
            +4
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            Yes, just like that ... to cut the truth to the womb.
            If half the truth is told, it is easy to lose reality.

            But the truth is not always good. When our media talk about violence in the streets, in schools, in families, the violence is not less, but rather more.
            Likewise, during the war, even the receivers were confiscated from the population. Everything was done to avoid panic.
            But in general you are right "a hard truth is better than an easy lie."
        2. Shishiga
          Shishiga 30 May 2021 13: 52
          +2
          "Cho, this is how to cut the truth-uterus ??? Where is what army, on what sector of the front and on what date the offensive is planned?" (C)
          Well, it's not worth it to reach complete idiocy, even on the path of truth-telling, there is also such a thing as divulging secrets, and regardless of whether it is military or state. the verdict in wartime will be one, half-dark corridor and behind the guard with a revolver and one cartridge in the drum.
      2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 29 May 2021 06: 28
        +12
        Alexey is right - it is senseless and stupid to lie. In a difficult time of war, people feel the falsity of power. Therefore, the speech of I.V. Stalin's "Brothers and Sisters ..." than the beating of Napoleon's Great Army.
        Trust, not just faith, is the guarantee of unity and future victory !!!
        State secrets and information of limited distribution are a little different.
        1. Far B
          Far B 29 May 2021 07: 08
          +2
          Colleague, so Alexey calls for cutting the truth-uterus in full growth. That is, without any restrictions (respectively, dropping the concept of state secrets, because without restrictions - this is without restrictions. Any. Generally). You will sort it out among yourself, who has what in mind. Because I was just responding to a very specific statement by comrade Alexei.
          1. Tapatun
            Tapatun 6 July 2021 18: 17
            0
            As if, not to lie, but to keep silent!
            That is, we captured the height, but not to say that we took it for two weeks and a lot of people were killed.
            A day later, her opponents recaptured it. But they took it, it's true!
            So?
      3. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 29 May 2021 16: 56
        +1
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Poland had every chance to organize a protracted war against Hitler,
        but chose to give up.

        And yet, for all our dislike for modern Poland, the Poles cannot be called cowards ... The gorges were not cowards. But that's another story ...
      4. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 29 May 2021 18: 50
        +6
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        .Poland had every chance to organize a protracted war against Hitler,
        but chose to give up.
        I could not.
        I'll try to explain ...
        England and France agreed on September 12 - watch and wait.
        On September 17, the Red Army entered Poland for liberation of Western Belarus and Galicia (Western Ukraine in the Soviet way).
        How could the Polish army single-handedly prolong the war?
        If the war drags out on the part of Poland - where would the Polish army get ammunition from?
        When the USSR offered "all over the world" DEFENSE Czechoslovakia - Poland "lay down with bones" before a possible passage of the Red Army to help Czechoslovakia (let's say Prague requested assistance from the USSR). And she chose to "snatch a piece" from Czechoslovakia ...
        In March 1938, Poland had already "opened its mouth" to Lithuania, and only the threat to defend Lithuania from the USSR "tempered the ardor of the Polish Napoleons."
        Even the Poles would have been beaten from the rear by the UPA - in peaceful villages, but they would have been stuck in by "lousy rams" (the Germans would have helped them).
        1. Shishiga
          Shishiga 30 May 2021 14: 03
          +1
          "They would also have beaten the Poles from the rear by the UPA - in peaceful villages, but they would have interfered with" lousy rams "(the Germans would have helped them)." (from)
          and why in an indefinite future tense ???

          "The activities of the OUN during the Polish campaign of the Wehrmacht (Polish: Dywersja OUN w 1939 roku) - the actions of the OUN activists against the Polish state during the German invasion of Poland in September 1939. The OUN militants assisted in the guidance of German aircraft on targets, attacked small retreating Polish units. This, however, did not have a significant impact on the course of the Polish campaign of the Wehrmacht. The German-Slovak group, which attacked Poland from Slovak territory, included the "Nationalist Military Units", acting as an auxiliary unit. " (FROM)

          "...... In total, in actions against the Polish civilian population in September and October 1939, about 2000 Poles were killed in Eastern Poland and about 1000 in Volyn.

          The Petliurists also took part in a number of sabotage actions. Some of the protests against the civilian population were the result of the actions of ordinary criminals and were in the nature of robbery.

          In total, 7729 people took part in the anti-Polish speeches, mainly members of the OUN military groups, which were fought in the period from August 29 to September 23, 1939. These actions covered 183 Polish cities. OUN members captured one tank, several aircraft and cannons, 23 heavy and 80 light machine guns, 3757 rifles, 3445 pistols and 25 vehicles. 3610 Poles were taken prisoner, 769 were killed, 37 were wounded. The Ukrainians, mainly as a result of the actions of the Polish army and police, lost 160 killed and 53 wounded. At least 4 Polish settlements were burned and 1 bridge destroyed. As a result of the retaliatory punitive actions of the Poles, 5 Ukrainian villages were burned. ,,,,, "(c)
    2. Korsar4
      Korsar4 29 May 2021 06: 21
      +5
      And some of our correspondents actively supported. The laws governing people do not change.
    3. Olgovich
      Olgovich 29 May 2021 06: 50
      +2
      Quote: Dalny V
      anyway, war is not the place for the full truth. If it is given out, then it is dosed, only that information that will have a positive effect on its own people

      Let me remind you that the people are NOT stupid and do not entrust or allow anyone to lie to them.

      So, he is obliged to die, but to know the truth ... no?

      And yes, the incomplete truth is a LIE about the actual state of affairs.
      1. Far B
        Far B 29 May 2021 07: 09
        -1
        Is it not destiny to think about what I have written?
        1. mark1
          mark1 29 May 2021 07: 53
          +8
          It would not be bad to read a similar article about coverage of the events of 1941-1945 by our media. Not owning the completeness of the information, I do not undertake to assert anything, but according to indirect information, ours, especially at the very beginning, lied just as enthusiastically, then corrected themselves somewhat. Yes, read A. Tolstoy, how our heroes-tankers repaired the KB abandoned by another crew (it's a pity that I don't remember the name, but the seeker will find it). From the beginning, we "repaired" the engine - for this we needed a carburetor (!) Which was found in the village smithy, and candles (where I found them I don’t know), and then we "repaired" the gun with a punctured barrel, applying a patch in the smithy and smoothing out the internal roughness shot with an armor-piercing projectile (!). I read this masterpiece as a child, but I still feel the shock. Newspaper coverage of events at the front (especially at the beginning of the war) seems to me to follow the same path.
          I remembered the name - "Seven Grimy"
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 29 May 2021 09: 01
            +3
            Quote: mark1
            I remembered the name - "Seven Grimy"

            Yes, everything is correct, reading in childhood in the collection "On the Brave and the Skillful" experienced similar feelings.
            There is an old saying - “the higher you climb, the more painful it is to fall”!
            I will smile with modern observations in the field of the official media of law enforcement agencies. Remember TV screens comrades! The events in Syria were initially covered by a lieutenant colonel, then a colonel and later a general. I will not give a surname. After the appearance of the general's star at the highly respected character, all the "girls" of parallel departments had "similar adornments on shoulder straps." Funny and sinful, the people instantly gave birth to a couple of dozen anecdotes, parables and stories - "how to become a general."
            So underestimating people is at least stupid. It is more correct to win his trust.
            And I repeat once again - "state secrets" are something different. Who is interested in reading the Federal Law "On State Secrets".
            Sincerely, Kitty!
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 29 May 2021 10: 22
            +4
            Quote: mark1
            From the beginning, the engine was "repaired" - for this we needed a carburetor (!)

            Yeah, the diesel engine!
            1. No name B
              No name B 30 May 2021 00: 52
              0
              Even some of the first T-34s had a gasoline engine, while diesel engines were put on stream.
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 31 May 2021 11: 41
                +2
                Quote: No name B
                Even some of the first T-34s had a gasoline engine, while diesel engines were put on stream.

                In fact, serial diesel engines at KhPZ were installed on the predecessor of the T-34, the BT-7M.
                M-17Ts were installed on T-34s from the fall of 1941 to the spring of 1942, when, due to the evacuation of the plant, the production of V-2s did not keep pace with the production of tanks.
            2. Tapatun
              Tapatun 6 July 2021 18: 25
              0
              From the wiki about "KV". "130 tanks were forced to install a 12-cylinder M-17T carburetor engine"
              Perhaps he was meant.
          3. BAI
            BAI 29 May 2021 11: 59
            +7
            It would not be bad to read a similar article about coverage of the events of 1941-1945 by our media

            There is one author here who loves to spit in the USSR. He has already written.
          4. gsev
            gsev 29 May 2021 13: 39
            +3
            Quote: mark1
            It would not be bad to read a similar article about coverage of the events of 1941-1945 by our media.

            Go to the site multimedia.minoborona.rf / multimedia / frontline_redstar.htm? ... There you can find all the military issues of the newspaper "Krasnaya Zvezda" from 1941 to 1945.
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 29 May 2021 08: 46
          0
          Quote: Dalny V
          Is it not destiny to think about what I have written?

          what's in it:
          Anyway, war not a place for the complete truth. If it is given out, then it is dosed, only the information that will positive effect on one's own people
          understand? belay

          AGAIN for the "tanker": the people have the right not only die in battle, but also KNOW the truth.

          And NOBODY has the right (and he was never given such a thing) to decide what the people are "supposed" to know and what not
          1. Far B
            Far B 29 May 2021 09: 00
            0
            And I below (or above, if regarding this post) explained my idea to Alexey. Take a walk, check it out if you wish.
          2. ANB
            ANB 29 May 2021 13: 39
            0
            ... Once again for the "tanker": the people have the right not only to die in battle, but also to KNOW the truth.

            And NOBODY has the right (and he was never given such a thing) to decide what the people are "supposed" to know and what not

            I hope that the plans for military operations and other secret information you do not refer to the truth that the people should know?
          3. Pensive Lawyer
            Pensive Lawyer 29 May 2021 23: 48
            0
            The people die in battle, defending their family, their home, their way of life.
            The right to "know the truth" ... It is normal to embellish your victories and belittle your opponent's victories. The question is on a grand scale. The people must learn the truth after the war.

            No one has arrogated to himself the right to decide what the people are supposed to know and what not. It's just that no one obliged anyone to report to the people. And it will never oblige. Management and power by their nature do not imply this, and citizens are independently capable of managing something, as long as there are no more of these citizens than in the ancient Greek polis. And then only on fundamental issues.
            Understand, we all know how to think. But bring us together - and the larger the crowd, the more stupid it (the crowd) will be. Even taking into account the fact that everyone standing in the crowd is a Ph.D. and so on. This is psychology. So with the state, in a large country the population will know almost nothing. Otherwise, a horde of dissatisfied with the next decision will fight against the walls of the Kremlin every day.
            And let's not talk about the fact that "let them make decisions so that everyone is happy and clap their hands." There are no such decisions. I am for authoritarianism. My neighbor is for democracy. Another is for dictatorship. The downstairs neighbor is a pacifist. A militarist upstairs neighbor; any decision will make at least one of the five of us indignant. That is, there will always be a horde of dissatisfied people. And some will not have time to calm down, as, excuse me, the fifth point of others will begin to blaze. As a result, at some point, these lights will merge and the planet will go out of orbit from such jet thrust.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 30 May 2021 07: 05
              0
              Quote: Pensive Lawyer
              The right to "know the truth" ... Embellish their victories and belittle enemy victories are normal.

              this is called FALSE. Lying is NOT normal and, yes, show the decisions of our, for example, the party and government about its normalcy. On the contrary, they have always firmly stated that they only speak the TRUTH and rejected lies.
              Quote: Pensive Lawyer
              Nobody appropriated the right to decide what the people are supposed to know and what not.

              is this right stipulated in some law? Not? It means that it was appropriated without permission. What are you talking about then?
              Quote: Pensive Lawyer
              Just nobody nobody did not oblige to report to by the people.

              The duty to report to the people is the FIRST duty of the authorities - this is where the congresses of soviets, parties, supreme soviets, etc.
              Quote: Pensive Lawyer
              So with the state, in a large country the population will know almost nothing. Otherwise, a horde of dissatisfied with the next decision will fight against the walls of the Kremlin every day.

              those. people do not know the truth and therefore do not fight lol Open this terrible secret in secret, why does he not know so terrible?
              Quote: Pensive Lawyer
              My neighbor is for democracy. Another is for dictatorship. The downstairs neighbor is a pacifist. A militarist upstairs neighbor; any decision will make at least one of the five of us indignant. That is, there will always be a horde of dissatisfied people. And some will not have time to calm down, as, excuse me, the fifth point of others will begin to blaze. As a result, at some point, these lights will merge and the planet will go out of orbit from such jet thrust.

              you do not understand the laws of human society?

              observance of the generally accepted Law by ALL ensures the peaceful coexistence of a pacifist, an autocrat and a militarist, etc.

              And the duty of the authorities to tell the truth and know it to the people is one of its parts.
              1. Pensive Lawyer
                Pensive Lawyer 30 May 2021 10: 53
                +2
                Management is always based on manipulation. Manipulation is based, in turn, on lies
                At party congresses, they lied as plow as they do now.
                Again, there is no obligation to fully account to the people in power. It is in our heads, it is based on our ideas about morality. But it was real in practice for a very long time, with true democracy, in Greek city-states, and then only among citizens.
                If we are talking about some ideals, then, of course, the people have the right. Everyone is entitled. But this is utopia. With the same utopian population, where everyone will tolerate if the majority is for a decision that does not suit him personally.
                That is, you say the things are correct. But utopian. If everyone is law-abiding. If the people are told the truth. The only thing missing is "If we finally learn to live in peace and direct all resources not to weapons, but to development." A cool world would be then. I would like to see him
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 30 May 2021 11: 15
                  0
                  Quote: Pensive Lawyer
                  That is, you say the things are correct. But utopian. If everyone is law-abiding. If the people are told the truth.

                  nothing utopian: it is clear that not everyone is law-abiding, but for those there is compulsion to comply with the Law agreed by ALL.

                  The same, in fact, happens with oversized lying-they are thrown out in the end.
          4. EvilLion
            EvilLion 27 July 2021 09: 30
            0
            It’s very funny to read this from you, who still believe that Russia would have won a little more in the First World War, although more than 100 years have passed.
      2. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 29 May 2021 13: 26
        0
        Quote: Olgovich
        Let me remind you that the people are NOT stupid life

        I wonder how this fits with your monarchist views? Or have you already changed your shoes?
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 29 May 2021 14: 04
          +1
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          I wonder how this fits with your monarchist views? Or have you already changed your shoes?

          1.Poke your wife.

          2.Completely consistent with mine views on public relations.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 29 May 2021 14: 12
            -4
            Quote: Olgovich
            poke your wife.

            Well this is the Internet. Everything here is without officialdom.
            Quote: Olgovich
            fully consistent with my views on public relations.

            If the people are not stupid, why should they put someone over themselves, irreplaceable, with unlimited power and, moreover, inherited? History has shown itself to itself that the monarchy has exhausted itself long ago. So your obsession with monarchism is nothing more than a disease.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 30 May 2021 06: 15
              +1
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              If the people are not stupid, why should they put someone over themselves, irreplaceable, with unlimited power and, moreover, inherited?

              people are not stupid everyday life, therefore they have the RIGHT to know the truth about what is happening (we are discussing this, not the nonsense that you are talking about)
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              So your obsession with monarchism nothing more than a disease.

              Your obsession with someone .. belayis a persecution mania, to put it simply, it is the most ... fool
              1. EvilLion
                EvilLion 27 July 2021 09: 31
                0
                They told you the truth, and you already freak out. Monarchism has become obsolete since the rise of capitalism.
  3. Slon_on
    Slon_on 29 May 2021 05: 27
    +6
    That is so, gentleman, ambition for znit, business for a penny.
    1. Mark kalendarov
      Mark kalendarov 30 May 2021 18: 40
      +1
      Not. Doesn't sound like that.
      For a pound of ambition, for a penny of ammunition ... All the best!
  4. Babay Atasovich
    Babay Atasovich 29 May 2021 05: 29
    +5
    And, perhaps, that September lie still became a lesson for those who know history and understand that their people cannot be deceived, even for the good.

    laughing what if history is rewritten every year? Over the course of a year of battles in Donbass, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have “stuffed” so many Russian tanks that UralZavod needs to plow in three shifts in three shifts in order to at least come close to the number of them killed according to the “true reports of the Armed Forces”! wassat
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 29 May 2021 05: 51
      +7
      Well, Obama has torn our country to shreds. smile
      There are enough storytellers everywhere.
      1. CastroRuiz
        CastroRuiz 2 June 2021 13: 21
        0
        А што с тупего негра возмиёш. :)
    2. Fat
      Fat 29 May 2021 14: 53
      -1
      Are you talking about UTZ 183 so modestly? There, in 3 years, more than 25 items were molded ...
      What are 30 years old?
      Are the reports of the Armed Forces of Ukraine so selflessly lying?))))
      1. Babay Atasovich
        Babay Atasovich 29 May 2021 15: 46
        0
        They talked more a day! wink
        1. Fat
          Fat 29 May 2021 16: 15
          +1
          Than? Bunch?
          Т -72 "Ural" Compared to That 34th earth and sky. This more than 40 tons of fury, the car can not be easily stopped.
          Count this despite the fact that most of the population served in the SA
          Who are they lying to? For schoolchildren, perhaps those who put their 159 grams on their dad.
        2. Fat
          Fat 30 May 2021 17: 55
          0
          Between Wishlist and Mogul there is always such an ass.
          Sorry, I didn't mean to offend anyone
  5. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 29 May 2021 05: 36
    +7
    Sorry, help did not come,
    No reinforcements were sent.
    There are only two of us left
    We are with you ...
    All the brothers died
    And with ammo tensely
    But we hold the line
    We fight bravely.
    Aquarium
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 29 May 2021 06: 33
      +9
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Sorry, help did not come,
      No reinforcements were sent.
      There are only two of us left
      We are with you ...
      All the brothers died
      And with ammo tensely
      But we hold the line
      We fight bravely.
      Aquarium

      And if you compare the lines of the Aquarium with the song "At Nameless Height"?
      The plot is one, but the mood is different.
    2. Far B
      Far B 29 May 2021 07: 15
      0
      Actually, Red Mold (or HZ - I don't remember exactly, it was a long time ago. However, some of the others are worth it). BG sang a duet first, then he sang it himself.
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 29 May 2021 09: 06
        +2
        Quote: Far In
        Actually, Red Mold (or HZ - I don't remember exactly, it was a long time ago. However, some of the others are worth it). BG sang a duet first, then he sang it himself.

        Even so, or ...
        Probably it is easier to bring the text.
        The grove under the mountain was smoking,
        And with it the sunset burned.
        We were left with only three
        Of the eighteen guys.
        How many of them, good friends,
        Lying is left in the dark
        At an unfamiliar settlement
        At a nameless height!

        The rocket was shining, falling,
        Like a burnt-out star.
        Who has ever seen this,
        He will never forget.
        He will not forget, he will not forget
        Attacks are fierce
        At an unfamiliar settlement
        At an unnamed height.

        "Messers" circled above us,
        And it was visible, as if in the afternoon.
        But only stronger we were friends
        Under the cross art fire.
        And no matter how hard it would be,
        You were faithful to your dream
        At an unfamiliar settlement
        At an unnamed height.

        I often dream of all the guys,
        Friends of my war days,
        Our little dugout is three o'clock,
        The pine tree burnt above it.
        As if again I am with them
        I'm standing on a fiery dash
        At an unfamiliar settlement
        At an unnamed height.

        The song was written for the film "Silence" in the 60s of the last century. Alas, I don't remember the author and composer.
        1. Far B
          Far B 29 May 2021 09: 31
          0
          Well you give laughing No one in their right mind was going to compare the incomparable. This song simply reflects the situation with the Poles. After all, their allies are really at the very same, as much as not indulge.
  6. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 29 May 2021 05: 57
    +5
    When did the Soviet units crossed the borders of Poland, no one even tried to create a front in the east, and the government just left abroad.
    fool "Money in the morning, chairs in the evening!" From the beginning the government ..., then the Soviet units ...
  7. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 29 May 2021 06: 09
    +3
    Very, very interesting and informative. Let's take into account ...)
  8. horror
    horror 29 May 2021 06: 29
    +3
    During the Karabakh conflict, false information was also presented in Armenia!
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 29 May 2021 07: 00
      +4
      Lies were presented from both sides.
      And the reality turned out to be much tougher.
      You can not present war in a powdered form, people after they learn the truth blows the roof. hi
      1. Fat
        Fat 29 May 2021 16: 48
        0
        I put a plus, but you can't powder the war in any way. Is it possible to keep silent about losses sometimes?
        The most adept in this matter is the United States. Everything is always there ... The Senator will say 2 percent so no more than 5 and it will be ... hi
  9. Poetry
    Poetry 29 May 2021 07: 16
    +12
    Thanks for the chronicle of Polish "victories". It was very interesting to read. The Wehrmacht miraculously survived in 1939. Along the way, they (the Poles) know how to fight only with obelisks.
    1. Fat
      Fat 29 May 2021 16: 58
      +2
      This Germanic Krieg was not an easy victory. If the political leadership of Poland had not merged, then they would have gotten a good shot, like ours in the 20th.
      Let's not interfere with the people of Poland with their political leadership?
      1. your1970
        your1970 31 May 2021 11: 53
        +1
        Quote: Thick
        This Germanic Krieg was not an easy victory. If the political leadership of Poland had not merged, then they would have gotten a good shot, like ours in the 20th.
        Let's not interfere with the people of Poland with their political leadership?

        Was ... Alas, for Poland, in any case, she would have lost. Unless I would have suffered for another week
        More powerful French army surrendered in a comparable time
  10. Liam
    Liam 29 May 2021 07: 16
    +2
    During June 24, the enemy continued to develop the offensive in the Siauliai, Kaunas, Grodno-Volkovysk, Kobrin, Vladimir-Volynsk and Brodsky directions, meeting stubborn resistance from the Red Army.

    All enemy attacks in the Siauliai direction were repulsed with heavy losses for him. Counterstrikes of our mechanized formations in this direction defeated enemy tank units and completely destroyed the motorized regiment.

    Fierce battles for Grodno, Kobrin, Vilno, Kaunas are going on in the Grodno-Volkovysk and Brest-Pinsk directions.

    In the Brodsky direction, stubborn battles of large tank formations continue, during which the enemy was severely defeated.

    Our aviation, successfully assisting the ground forces on the battlefield, delivered a series of crushing blows to enemy airfields and important military installations. Our aviation shot down 34 aircraft in air battles.

    In the Gulf of Finland, the ships of the Navy sunk one enemy submarine.

    In response to a two-time raid on Sevastopol by German bombers from Romania, Soviet bombers bombed Constanta and Sulin three times. Constanta is on fire.

    In response to a two-time raid by German bombers on Kiev, Minsk, Libava and Riga, Soviet bombers three times bombed Danzig, Konigsberg, Lublin, Warsaw and caused extensive destruction of military facilities. Tank farms in Warsaw are on fire.

    On June 22, 23 and 24, Soviet aviation lost 374 aircraft, mostly shot down at airfields. During the same period, Soviet aviation shot down 161 German aircraft in air battles. In addition, according to approximate data, at least 220 aircraft were destroyed at enemy airfields.
    .
    1. Basil50
      Basil50 29 May 2021 08: 11
      -1
      In reality, it was so. And then Pavlov opened the front.
      1. Liam
        Liam 29 May 2021 08: 22
        +4
        Quote: Vasily50
        In reality, it was.


        Summary of the High Command of the Red Army for June 22, 1941
        At dawn on June 22, 1941, the regular troops of the German army attacked our border units on the front from the Baltic to the Black Sea and were held back by them during the first half of the day. In the afternoon, German troops met with the advanced units of the field forces of the Red Army. After fierce fighting, the enemy was repulsed with heavy losses. Only in the Grodno and KRISTYNOPOL areas did the enemy manage to achieve insignificant tactical successes and occupy the townships of KALVARIA, STOYANUV and TSEKHANOVETS (the first two are 15 km away and the last 10 km away from the border).
        Enemy aircraft attacked a number of our airfields and settlements, but everywhere they met a decisive rebuff from our fighters and anti-aircraft artillery, which inflicted heavy losses on the enemy. We shot down 65 enemy aircraft.
        Summary of the High Command of the Red Army for June 23, 1941
        During the day, the enemy sought to develop an offensive along the entire front from the Baltic to the Black Sea, directing its main efforts to the SHAULIAISKY, KAUNASSKY, GRODNENSKY-VOLKOVYSSKY, KOBRINSKY, VLADIMIR-VOLYNSKY, RAVA-RUSSKY AND BRODSK direction, had no success.
        All enemy attacks on the VLADIMIR-VOLYNSKY and BRODSKY directions were repulsed with heavy losses for him. On the SHAULIAI and RAVA-RUSSIAN axes, the enemy, who had wedged into our territory in the morning, was defeated by the counterattacks of our troops in the afternoon and thrown back across the state border; while in the SHAULIAI direction, our artillery fire destroyed 300 enemy tanks.
        On the BELOSTOK and BREST directions, after fierce fighting, the enemy managed to press our cover units and occupy KOLNO, LOMZHU and BREST.
        Our aviation fought successful battles, protecting troops, airfields, settlements and military facilities from enemy air attacks and facilitating counterattacks by ground forces. In air battles and antiaircraft artillery fire, 51 enemy aircraft were shot down on our territory during the day; one plane by our fighters landed at an airfield near MINSK.
        On June 22 and 23, we captured about five thousand German soldiers and officers.
        According to the updated data, on June 22, a total of 76 enemy aircraft were shot down, and not 65, as indicated in the summary of the Red Army High Command for June 22, 41.
        1. Fat
          Fat 29 May 2021 15: 24
          0
          An excellent story for a person who does not know anything about operational arrangement.
          Naturally, the Red Army successfully repelled the onslaught of the enemy.
          All this is built on an elementary ignorance of the real state of affairs.
          But there was a need to say something.
          Here where is the truth, the rest is speculation ... But never a lie! The Sovinformburo never got dirty with this. Official data only.
          And the official was such that it would be better if he did not exist at all.
          The fierce battles at the turn would be broadcast as usual.
          And you would not have happened to lay out the material in support of your thesis that all politicians lie to their people.
          Don't lie! Themselves did not know the completeness of the collision ...
          1. Liam
            Liam 29 May 2021 17: 25
            +1
            Quote: Thick
            But never a lie! This sovinformburo never got dirty

            Quote: Thick
            Don't lie! Themselves did not know the completeness of the collision ...

            Bulletin dated 29.06.1941/2/XNUMX. Minsk XNUMX days as fallen. The Western Front is surrounded and practically completely defeated ...
            Evening message June 29

            ...In the Minsk direction, by the efforts of our ground troops and aviation, the further advance of the enemy's motorized equipment that had broken through was stopped. Cut off by our troops from their bases and infantry, the enemy's motorized vehicles, being under continuous fire from our aviation, are placed in an extremely difficult situation..

            ... Hitler and his generals, accustomed to easy victories throughout the entire second imperialist war, report on the radio that in seven days of the war they captured or destroyed more than 2.000 Soviet tanks, 600 guns, destroyed more than 4.000 Soviet aircraft and captured more 40.000 Red Army soldiers; At the same time, during the same period, the Germans allegedly lost only 150 aircraft, and how many tanks, guns and prisoners were lost, the German radio is silent about this.
            We are even embarrassed to refute this blatant lie and boastful nonsense.
            In fact, the situation is drawn in a completely different light ...
            .... As a result of stubborn and fierce battles for a period of 7/8 days, the Germans lost at least 2.500 tanks, about 1.500 aircraft, more than 30.000 prisoners. During the same period, we lost: 850 aircraft, up to 900 tanks, up to 15.000 missing and prisoners.
            Such is the picture of the actual situation at the front, which we with good reason oppose to the boastful messages of the German radio ...


            By the way, not a word about the loss of Minsk. Another 5 days it was reported about battles in the Minsk direction, and from 3.07 they stopped mentioning this direction
          2. sidoroff
            sidoroff 30 May 2021 07: 17
            +2
            "During the 4 months of the war, we lost 350 thousand killed and 378 thousand missing, and we have 1 million 20 thousand wounded. During the same period, the enemy lost more than 4 and a half million people in killed, wounded and captured."
            Was this one also not aware of the real state of affairs?
            "Report at the solemn meeting of the Moscow Council of Working People's Deputies with the party and public organizations of the city of Moscow on November 6, 1941
            I.V. Stalin "
            1. Fat
              Fat 30 May 2021 07: 33
              -2
              This one also took material from somewhere for the report. Not? From Shaposhnikov B. M during the play.
              1. sidoroff
                sidoroff 30 May 2021 18: 17
                +1
                and Shaposhnikov from the Pravda newspaper. Pioneer.
                1. Fat
                  Fat 30 May 2021 18: 42
                  -2
                  Yes on you !!! of these assaults there is little truth
                  Х
                  IN SHORT, the old one calls her a report is needed about the number of suckers and pyramids ...
                2. Fat
                  Fat 30 May 2021 18: 58
                  0
                  Duc about this pioneer
            2. Fat
              Fat 30 May 2021 19: 09
              0
              This one was, it ended ..
              And what is easier for you and me? I understood what it was about.
      2. Normal
        Normal 29 May 2021 08: 56
        +5
        Quote: Vasily50
        then Pavlov opened the front.

        In the Northwest direction, Pavlov also "opened the front"
        Then, while encircling the troops of the Southwestern Front, "Pavlov opened the front"
        Then "Palov opened a front" near Bryansk and Vyazma.
        Eh, washi-and-and-liy (dmitry) ......
        1. Fat
          Fat 29 May 2021 17: 39
          0
          We will not demand too much from Pavlov. He blew the staff game into a clean Zhukova six months before the war ...
          And how did it happen that the chief of staff of the Wehrmacht will act in the same way as Zhukov ...
          Pavlov did not open the front, he blew it clean. ..
          For all that, where is Bryansk, and where is Vyazma.
          Even I can't drink so much to combine these two points.
          1. Normal
            Normal 29 May 2021 18: 45
            +1
            Quote: Thick
            We will not demand too much from Pavlov
            But we will not attribute too much to him.

            Quote: Thick
            ..... will act in the same way as Zhukov ....
            This is a movie cartoon. I'm not sure that such a conversation between Zhukov and Pavlov actually took place.

            Quote: Thick
            For all that, where is Bryansk, and where is Vyazma.
            218 km in a straight line and approximately 310-330 km along the modern road network.
            Yandex Maps to help.

            Quote: Thick
            Even I can't drink so much to combine these two points.
            You don't need to drink for this.
            To do this, you need to read:
            https://topwar.ru/9859-chernyy-oktyabr-1941-goda-razgrom-bryanskogo-fronta-i-vyazemskiy-kotel.html
            1. Fat
              Fat 29 May 2021 19: 00
              -1
              Here is not necessary. All my words are based on Zhukov's memoirs, and he, along the way, is the only person in the entire defense committee who appreciated Pavlov. How many kilometers did you name from Smolnesk to Vyazma? Through the swamps?
              1. Normal
                Normal 29 May 2021 19: 25
                +1
                So. Clear.
                Tie some booze, or your brains will dry up completely.
                Quote: Thick
                How many kilometers have you named from Smolneska to Vyazma?

                Quote: Thick
                For all that, where Bryansk, and where is Vyazma.

                That Bryansk, that Smolensk ...... it's the same thing, right?

                For information: - 170 km from Smolensk to Vyazma, and not through swamps but along the Minsk highway. By rail
                (Surpri-i-zzz! - She is there!) - 174.9 km.

                Quote: Thick
                based on Zhukov's memoirs,

                Remind from what date of the Second World War Zhukov begins to narrate exactly about the events of 41 years.
                1. Fat
                  Fat 29 May 2021 20: 06
                  0
                  To be honest, I can't go to this site sober ... Such a misfortune.
                2. Fat
                  Fat 30 May 2021 08: 26
                  0
                  From the first page, because it was those events of "Black October" 1941 that became the starting point of the career of this commander.
                  There was a real ass there.
                  During Operation Typhoon, two fronts were surrounded, more than one and a half million career soldiers.
                  Only about a hundred thousand came out of the boilers.
                  So, that Simonov's novel The Living and the Dead is only partly fiction.
                  Vyazeme operation (October 2-13, 1941) - a defensive operation of the Western (commander - Ivan Konev, from October 10 - Georgy Zhukov) and Reserve (commander - Semyon Budyonny, from October 8 - Zhukov) fronts in the Great Patriotic War, carried out in the initial the period of the battle near Moscow. The operation was carried out simultaneously with the Oryol-Bryansk operation as a general counteraction to the onset of the German offensive against Moscow within the framework of Operation Typhoon. It ended in a catastrophic defeat for the Red Army. There were no troops left in front of Moscow, and a massive panic began in the capital itself, which lasted for several days.
                  Wiki
              2. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 31 May 2021 11: 47
                +1
                Quote: Thick
                All my words are based on Zhukov's memoirs, and he, along the way, is the only person in the entire defense committee who appreciated Pavlov.

                Zhukov's memoirs changed from publication to publication. So you need to be very careful to rely on them.
                And most importantly, at the staff games "Zhukov vs. Pavlov" the situation in June 1941 was not considered at all. The border battle on them was skipped - and it all began with the battles of two mobilized and deployed groupings of troops that materialized at the given lines. Nobody began to play out an attack by a mobilized army on an unmobilized and undeveloped army, for the outcome was clear.
            2. Fat
              Fat 30 May 2021 19: 27
              0
              Thank you, bro, I won't forget black October.
  11. parusnik
    parusnik 29 May 2021 07: 17
    +4
    The Polish government, really understood that it would not be able to resist the German machine, fed the people with fairy tales.
    1. Fat
      Fat 29 May 2021 15: 46
      +2
      Not! They really believed that they could resist any aggression. Just did not expect such a feint from Germany.
      They were ready to fight against the USSR, but the German military power was treated as an allied one.
      You remember how they divided Czechoslovakia.
      Information about the pre-war treaties between Germany and Poland is now emerging.
      Worth tracking. Something there is a lot of bad manifestation.
  12. v.tochenn
    v.tochenn 29 May 2021 07: 17
    +4
    It all started much earlier

    Handshake of Polish Marshal Edward Rydz-Smiglá and German Attache Colonel Bogislaw von Studnitz at the Independence Day parade in Warsaw on November 11 1938 of the year.

    see: https://politikus.ru/articles/politics/7571-na-chey-storone-srazhalis-polyaki-vo-vtoroy-mirovoy.html
  13. Avior
    Avior 29 May 2021 07: 48
    +3
    During a war, propaganda comes first.
    Inspire, cut off panic, deceive the enemy.
    This is after the war, regardless of its result, there should be the most objective coverage of what and how it was, so that society could analyze what happened and draw conclusions for the future. There is no room for propaganda at this stage.
    1. Fat
      Fat 29 May 2021 17: 21
      +4
      Propaganda is an element of war, well, really, you know. As our famous sniper said?
      I have killed more than 200 Wehrmacht soldiers, how long are the men going to hide behind my back?
      This is propaganda.
      1. Avior
        Avior 29 May 2021 21: 47
        0
        There, the whole trip to the States was completely propaganda.
        We collected money for the defense fund.
        Pchelintsev and Pavlichenko were sympathetic to the mission and its propaganda part.
        For example, Pchelintsev writes about a meeting with Roosevelt
        One of the questions Mrs. Roosevelt asked Lyudmila was: “How did she, a woman, manage to shoot at the Germans, seeing their faces at the moment of aiming? It's hard for American women to understand this! "
        Lieutenant Pavlichenko answered shortly: "I saw with my own eyes how my husband and my child died ... I was near ..."

        In fact, Pavlichenko's son Rostislav died only in 2007.
        But, as you understand, the mention of the death of her son gave a strong emotional coloring to the words, therefore it was quite justified from the point of view of the case that was entrusted to her, although, probably, many would say that they would not say this about their child.
        1. Fat
          Fat 29 May 2021 22: 01
          -1
          The film about Pavlichenko was filmed in the USA. Not in Russia. I'm not to judge. But how she then perdolil all the American supers, is and will be a classic of the word.
          An amazing person, and very cruel words.
          This is how propaganda is done, and in the case of Pavlichenko, this is agitation
          1. Avior
            Avior 29 May 2021 23: 54
            0
            There is a book about their trip by the second sniper Pchelintsev Special mission
            http://militera.lib.ru/memo/russian/pchelintsev_vn/index.html
          2. Avior
            Avior 30 May 2021 22: 39
            0
            The film about Pavlichenko was filmed in the USA. Not in Russia.

            "Battle for Sevastopol"? He is Russian-Ukrainian.
  14. Unknown
    Unknown 29 May 2021 08: 28
    +5
    In a war, propaganda will always be present, whether our own or someone else's. Nobody will tell the truth about the course of hostilities. Why put on public display the unsuccessful course of the war? This suppresses the will to resist. Rumors remain rumors, but when the state media speak about failures, it’s different. Thus, the authorities sign that they are completely insolvent. Questions arise: why resist, if everything is lost, the troops are defeated and the allies will not come to the rescue, and the Germans are already nearby, and the government is pulled in an unknown direction. Poland, in general, would have collapsed, in a matter of days, but at least they put up some resistance, with the hope that a little more, a little, and the allies would roll out the Germans. The Germans themselves, conducted their victorious propaganda, until the very end of the war, giving the people hope, then about the miracle of weapons, then about the imminent discord in the camp of the anti-Nazi coalition. This gave a result, they fought to the end, because faith dies last. Hitler himself said ... Propaganda should not investigate the truth objectively and, since it is beneficial to the other side, present it in accordance with the theoretical rules of justice; however, he should only represent that aspect of the truth that is favorable to his own side ..... Poland was still doomed, there is nothing to be done about it, they are. Since the time of Jan III Sobieski, King of Poland and Grand Duke of Lithuania, Poles have forgotten how to fight well themselves, and therefore lost their independence. Polish soldier, brave, courageous, fights well, only under someone else's command. Be it the legionnaires of Dombrowski, under Napoleon, or the same legionnaires, but Pilsudski under Franz Joseph, Anders' army from the Anglo-Americans, and the Polish Army in the USSR. Then, there are some successes, and it’s not like talking. Even a miracle near Warsaw happened due to the fact that they were ruled by Gamelin, de Gaulle and other French advisers. And it will always be so.
    1. Fat
      Fat 29 May 2021 20: 28
      0
      I took it off my tongue. Thank you Fratello. I feel the legion is close to you.
      But I was not there. Per ...
  15. tatra
    tatra 29 May 2021 08: 36
    -4
    And this is only after the Polish enemies of the communists unleashed an information war against the Russian enemies of the communists, the Russian enemies of the communists calmed down a bit, and before that, for almost 30 years, starting with their Perestroika, they rushed to defend the Russophobic Poles with their "breasts" they unleashed the Soviet-Polish war with the aim of seizing Russian territories, and when they killed tens of thousands of Red Army soldiers in Polish concentration camps, and in the Munich Agreement. They staged a "Ecumenical Lament" for the executed Polish soldiers in Katyn.
    1. Fat
      Fat 29 May 2021 21: 13
      +2
      And in this life there can be people who do not give a damn about the communists and their enemies?
      The ecumenical lament for Katyn was organized by the SS mana.
      And under Boris, the country did not admit to such shit, for the loot for the Great Figures ...
      1. Alf
        Alf 30 May 2021 21: 30
        +1
        Quote: Thick
        And under Boris, the country did not admit to such shit, for the loot for the Great Figures ...

        And with the Most Serene?

        What is he confessing to?
    2. your1970
      your1970 31 May 2021 12: 02
      +1
      Quote: tatra
      Polish enemies of the communists unleashed an information war against the Russian enemies of the communists, the Russian enemies of the communists calmed down a bit

      Is the enemy of my enemy my friend? Not???
      Now, according to your logic, the Russian communists should start making friends with the Polish enemies of the communists - since they unleashed an information war with the Russian enemies of the communists?
  16. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 29 May 2021 08: 56
    +5
    Good selection, respect to the author. In Soviet times, this behavior of the Poles was not advertised, they were afraid to offend the "hyena of Europe".
  17. Undecim
    Undecim 29 May 2021 08: 58
    +4
    Author:
    Paul Neumann
    Photos used:
    From the author's archive.

    The author exposes the falsity of Polish propaganda, while he himself, to put it mildly, lying, passing off someone else's article and other people's photos as his own.
    This is a slightly revised article by Polish journalist Waldemar Kowalski from the Polish resource naTemat. Photos were taken from the same place.
    The article is called Lejemy Niemców aż miło! Jak prasa robiła Polakom we wrześniu 1939 roku wodę z mózgów (How Polish propaganda brainwashed Poles in September 1939).
    The article is online.
    1. Fat
      Fat 29 May 2021 17: 26
      0
      Is it not allowed that this is the same man?
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 29 May 2021 17: 51
        +4
        According to the information currently available, no.
        1. Fat
          Fat 29 May 2021 21: 25
          -2
          You can learn more. And then I do not smell the translation, but quite good Russian ...
  18. Molot1979
    Molot1979 29 May 2021 09: 02
    +1
    nothing has changed in this century. All the same, Poland lives among incomprehensible illusions, refusing to go into reality.
  19. faterdom
    faterdom 29 May 2021 10: 57
    +2
    Poles are epic liars. Hereditary and hereditary. Since there is nothing more to inherit ...
    However, they then trampled on the Germans, when the Red Army defeated Hitler's military-political colossus, the Poles happily killed, robbed and raped the civilian German population. Heroic people!
    And the Home Army stabbed the Red Army in the back, liberating Poland. They helped as much as they could ...
  20. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 29 May 2021 11: 06
    +3
    In memory of the heroes of Westerplatte. On the eighth day of the Polish-German war, September 8 this year, at 11:40 am [/ i] in the morning, after an incredibly heroic battle, the last soldiers of the Westerplatte garrison died in combat positions, defending the Polish Baltic.

    The Poles showed themselves no less heroically, or perhaps more, in the battle of the city of Ilsa.
    The Germans even called this battle "Ilsa's Night". There, from September 8 to September 9, the Poles, occupying the commanding heights in the vicinity of the old fortress Ilse Alte Schanze, threw back the German troops and went on the offensive. But the forces were not equal and the Poles retreated, which does not implore their heroism.
  21. Force multiplier
    Force multiplier 29 May 2021 11: 39
    +2
    An old English proverb says


    In the second picture, there is a note with an English lie about Athenia. In full accordance with the saying
  22. Sergey Zilinsky
    Sergey Zilinsky 29 May 2021 11: 52
    +1
    Still more correct Rydz-Smigly (th), Rydz is the surname, and Smigly is one of the nicknames of this character (by the way, Śmigły translates as "flexible, pliable", very suitable laughing ).
  23. BAI
    BAI 29 May 2021 11: 57
    +3
    She made the Poles fight with faith in victory,

    This is the main task of propaganda in wartime, regardless of the outcome of the war. Does the author think that Poland should have surrendered immediately? Then, approaching from the same positions, the USSR had to surrender in the summer of 1941.
  24. BAI
    BAI 29 May 2021 12: 20
    0
    The author has not completed it. Stopped on September 18th. It could be extended until the 19th.
    WARSAW EVENING
    from 19 September to 1939 year

    "Action of the Soviets and protest of the Polish government"

    "Neutrality or an act of aggression?"

    "The USA will take the voice"

    ".... the action of the Soviets against Poland is tantamount to declaring war on England and France ..."

    "We shot down 300 German planes"
    Paris. Polish pilots and gunners shot down 300 German planes. / underlined in the photo /

    And, of course, as always - to spit in the USSR.
  25. Basarev
    Basarev 29 May 2021 12: 25
    +4
    Extremely similar to the current propaganda rampant in one vast northern country. Also, on TV and in newspapers, there are continuous victories ... But in fact, people live increasingly poor and more deprived of rights.
  26. Tambov-there is god
    Tambov-there is god 29 May 2021 12: 57
    +4
    This article should be included in a history textbook on topic 2 MB. True, it is necessary to clarify that the Red Army crossed the border between the USSR and Western Belarus and Western Ukraine occupied by Poland after the Polish government fled to Romania.
    1. Fat
      Fat 29 May 2021 18: 02
      -1
      That's OK. Very correct note!
      It's true.
      So much stuff happened there. The first time the Air Force bombed Constanta around this time ... Father insisted back at 38m ...
      Don't get attached, no data.
    2. Alf
      Alf 30 May 2021 21: 28
      +2
      Quote: Tambov is God there
      This article should be included in a history textbook on topic 2 MB. True, it is necessary to clarify that the Red Army crossed the border between the USSR and Western Belarus and Western Ukraine occupied by Poland after the Polish government fled to Romania.

      The Red Army crossed the Polish border on September 17, the Polish government also emigrated on September 17, but the decision to emigrate was made BEFORE the 17th. It is this fact that proves that the Red Army crossed the border of the country, which no longer existed, and it was not at all the fact of the invasion of the Red Army that caused the flight of the Polish government.
      And one more little-known fact.

      But the Poles and the entire "world community" do not want to remember this ...
      And one more moment.
      Marshal Edward Smigly-Rydz

      Author! Actually, on the contrary, Rydz-Smigly. And the name does not incline, teach materiel.
    3. your1970
      your1970 31 May 2021 12: 10
      +1
      Quote: Tambov is God there
      True, it must be clarified that the Red Army crossed the border between the USSR and Western Belarus and Western Ukraine occupied by Poland after the Polish government fled to Romania.

      And also after the signing of a truce document with Japan after Khalkhin Gol ... on September 16 signed and immediately entered Poland ...
      And according to the history textbooks of the USSR, one does not feel that it is day after day ...
  27. bandabas
    bandabas 29 May 2021 15: 40
    -2
    Yes, they are still hysterical. Forgot how many hundreds of thousands of Russians died liberating Poland in 44. Because of the pseudo uprising. The most interesting thing is that the GDR was a real ally in the Warsaw Pact. Former enemy. And, these and other "brothers" have always tried, and now they are trying to stick a knife in the back from a lift.
  28. Babay Atasovich
    Babay Atasovich 29 May 2021 16: 18
    +1
    Quote: Thick
    Than? Bunch?

    Report!
    1. Fat
      Fat 29 May 2021 18: 13
      +2
      Smiled! Pleased to meet you.
      Part of the service is at the headquarters of the unit, but to lie to yourself and people need talent and arrogance.
      Sincerely.
      1. Babay Atasovich
        Babay Atasovich 29 May 2021 19: 11
        +1
        There was an office in the headquarters when the doctors landed, as much as an integral flag-assault of the Air Force Air Defense !!! laughing well, and then 100 professions and got to the animator (not an entertainer!)
  29. Alf
    Alf 29 May 2021 17: 59
    0

    "The Polish army took Berlin, the Russian army helped them."
    They love such fairy tales, especially now, the navels of the world are bad ...
    1. Alf
      Alf 29 May 2021 19: 48
      +1
      Quote: Alf
      They love such fairy tales, especially now, the navels of the world are bad ...

      A dozhe day, fucking pan-minus ... Tell us how you heroically took Monte Cassino ...
      Wasn't this song about you - Did the Scarlet Poppies of Monte Cassino drink Polish blood instead of water?
      1. Babay Atasovich
        Babay Atasovich 29 May 2021 19: 56
        +1

        a fucking pan-minus ..
        And not banned, as in Politicus? laughing
        1. Alf
          Alf 29 May 2021 19: 58
          +1
          Quote: Babay Atasovich

          a fucking pan-minus ..
          And not strikes, as in Politics? laughing

          What are you talking about? request
          1. Babay Atasovich
            Babay Atasovich 29 May 2021 20: 06
            0
            Yes, I sit from my smartphone and constantly struggle with auto-corrections. "Strikes = banned" .. sorry! I mean that on Politicus. Ru for "crap" could have been put in a ban, in my opinion, for a month.
            1. Alf
              Alf 29 May 2021 20: 07
              0
              Quote: Babay Atasovich
              I mean that on Politicus. Ru for "crap" could have been put in a ban for a month, in my opinion.

              Insanity grew stronger ..
              P.S. Disconnect T9 and you will be happy.
              1. Babay Atasovich
                Babay Atasovich 29 May 2021 20: 15
                0
                I cut off T9 5 years ago, now there is an intelligent keyboard - there is no shutdown in the settings! As they say, at the request of viewers ... Okay, let's go.
                1. Alf
                  Alf 29 May 2021 20: 17
                  +1
                  Quote: Babay Atasovich
                  I cut off T9 5 years ago, now there is an intelligent keyboard - there is no shutdown in the settings! As they say, at the request of viewers ... Okay, let's go.

                  It's good that I'm working with a laptop. The fact is that I work at work, but I only go to VO in the evening.
  30. ermak124.0
    ermak124.0 29 May 2021 22: 42
    +3
    Very interesting stuff. Thank!
  31. Nord11
    Nord11 29 May 2021 22: 58
    +1
    And after such masterpieces of journalism, someone raises a hand to stigmatize Soviet propaganda !?
  32. bbss
    bbss 29 May 2021 23: 05
    +1
    Everything is relevant. The tongue of the clickers has not changed.
  33. Mark kalendarov
    Mark kalendarov 29 May 2021 23: 38
    +1
    The deceit of Poles has genetic, historical roots ...
    I remember a vile song:
    The Polish army took Berlin,
    The Russian army was eating vodka ...
    "From grateful Poles" ...
  34. Sedoy
    Sedoy 30 May 2021 09: 15
    +4
    Poland and Poles are one big inferiority complex ...
  35. Cats
    Cats 30 May 2021 11: 54
    +3
    I looked through all the comments, really no one paid attention to the following: "The commander-in-chief knew about this and answered: now they must cross the Vistula, or even further east. I have to tell them - there are no rifles, but you are holding on. "
  36. xomaNN
    xomaNN 30 May 2021 12: 26
    +2
    The newspapers were dashing to brainwash the Poles. In June-July 1941, about the same in the USSR, newspapers trumpeted the defeat of the Germans. And there are 4 years of hard battles ahead.
  37. Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin 30 May 2021 14: 18
    0
    > The only question left is whether the heroism of a soldier deceived by his commanders is heroism?
    What is the meaning of the question? A soldier who fought to the end under propaganda is not a heroic warrior or ..?

    > who knows history and understands that their people cannot be deceived, even for the good.
    People are always deceived, lies and propaganda always go hand in hand, and history teaches that it teaches nothing.
  38. Cheerock
    Cheerock 30 May 2021 14: 58
    +1
    Great article, thanks to the author!
  39. Usher
    Usher 30 May 2021 19: 14
    +1
    And lying is not good.
    When the Soviet units crossed the borders of Poland, no one even tried to create a front in the east, and the government simply went abroad.
    Maybe on the contrary, when the government abandoned the country, becoming essentially illegitimate, and the state of Poland did not become. Soviet troops entered and reclaimed the territories that Poland had annexed in the 20s.
  40. Rustic i ......
    Rustic i ...... 30 May 2021 22: 37
    +1
    Don't you think that admiration for our guide leaders leads us along the same path as the Poles? And V. Solovyov's talk show resembles a collection of "pike vests"?
  41. mavrus
    mavrus 30 May 2021 23: 12
    +2
    The fact that all this Polish gang of brothers disappeared from Warsaw from September 7 to 9 ... only crossed the border with Romania on the 17th, we must take these guys at their word ...
    But if on September 10 there was no commander-in-chief, no president, no prime minister left in Warsaw, then where they "hid" for seven whole days before they crossed the Romanian border is not very clear.
    And this whole tale about the 17th was invented only to sniff Polish citizens that the Red Army crossed the border a couple of hours before Poland ceased to exist as a state.
  42. zontov79
    zontov79 31 May 2021 04: 13
    +1
    Polish, what then what now.
  43. Yuri Chvanov
    Yuri Chvanov 31 May 2021 10: 24
    +2
    Most importantly ... the main calculation was NOT on YOUR strength, but on the French and the British ...
    Nowadays the situation is the same with the Poles and the underdogs.
  44. Tango Cash
    Tango Cash 31 May 2021 15: 36
    +2
    Strange, but did the Soviet propaganda in June 41 write not in this way? By the way, about the Poles ... Shaw would not have spoken there, but in the light of the events of 38 and the first half of 39, the Poles behaved desperately. When the "allies" gave Austria without a word, shamefully betrayed the Czechs, the Poles, perhaps the only ones in Europe, who began to kick Adolf. It is clear, sho ambition and all that ... But, nevertheless ...
  45. tank64rus
    tank64rus 31 May 2021 15: 52
    +2
    When the Lie determines the policy of the state. since then, nothing has changed.
  46. n3treader
    n3treader 1 June 2021 10: 01
    +1
    Why not? There were also real Polish heroes. Four tankmen and a dog, for example, from Siberia to Berlin in their Polish T-34, single-handedly smashed the German tank hordes, and even hung their banner over the Reichstag, and for the heroic scout Captain Kloss there simply did not exist objects that he would not be able to penetrate and transmit intelligence from there. I don't know, however, whether he worked alone or together with Stirlitz
  47. подводник
    подводник 1 June 2021 18: 43
    +1
    Thank you for a very interesting publication !!!
  48. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 1 June 2021 19: 08
    +1
    It was interesting to know how the Polish media covered the war. I have never heard such nonsense.
  49. Kayuk
    Kayuk 1 June 2021 21: 51
    0
    Great article! Respect to the author. Only dry facts.
    I recall a joke:
    - Monya calls from Israel to a friend in Odessa: - Senya, what is going on there? ..
    Yes, Ukraine is fighting a little with Russia ...
    - So what, there are losses?
    YES, there is ... - Ukraine has lost: Crimea, a couple of regions, several planes and helicopters, tanks, BMPesh, different weapons there, it’s decent for the people and ...
    - And what did the Russians lose? ..
    Monya, you won’t believe it, but the Russians haven’t come to the war yet ...
  50. alexey alexeyev_2
    alexey alexeyev_2 2 June 2021 05: 21
    +1
    Hmm ... Vaascheto I remember the surname of this devil of theirs marshal was Rydz-Smigly. No, but if the author jokes, then nothing but historical truth ... although the Poles need it like a dog's fifth leg