"Following Ukraine": Poland buys Turkish attack drones Bayraktar TB2

Poland, following Ukraine, decided to arm itself with shock drones Turkish production. The contract for the supply of UAVs will be signed in the coming days.

Polish Defense Minister Mariusz Blaszczak announced the purchase of Turkish Bayraktar TB2 attack drones. In total, it is planned to purchase 24 drones armed with "anti-tank missiles". The signing of the contract will take place during an official visit to Turkey by Polish President Andrzej Duda, the first drones into service with the Polish army - in 2022. In addition to the drones themselves, Warsaw will also pay for operator training and maintenance.

The choice of the Bayraktar drones in Warsaw is explained by its "effectiveness" in military conflicts "in Eastern Europe and the Middle East." The Polish minister, characterizing the Turkish drone, said that it is "time-tested" weapon, which will "scare off the aggressor". Apparently Blaschak is hinting that Poland will frighten the Russian army with Turkish UAVs, because it is Poland that is considered an "aggressor".

The Turkish Bayraktar TB2 UAV is an aircraft-type UAV. Wingspan - 12 m, length - 6,5 m. Maximum take-off weight - 650 kg, can carry two high-precision munitions MAM-L weighing 21,5 kg and two MAM-C weighing 7 kg, allowing to hit targets at ranges from 2 to 8 km. UAV flight duration - up to 24 hours, range in line of sight - up to 150 km.

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[The leader of the Redskins]

If the combat success of these UAVs can still arouse criticism from skeptics, then the commercial one is obvious.

[NIKN]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

If the combat success of these UAVs can still arouse criticism from skeptics, then the commercial one is obvious.

It is what it is. Again, what should be taken by combat success? If we take Karabakh, then a clear success, if we take a more advanced army, then if not losses as in Karabakh, then for any reason the enemy bears no small costs for organizing defense against this weapon, even if they are used for purely "demonstration" purposes ...

[Lech from Android.]

Obviously, it is necessary to track control points with Bayraktar operators and strike at them ... this will be more effective than chasing individual drones.
Over time, effective ways of dealing with this scourge will be developed.

[donavi49]

What are the control points? In the Basic version, 300 km. And such blows lead to consequences (well, there was a border conflict - at the level of K-T of the recent, and here bang OTKR falls 200 km inland, on a / b s near the city of a millionaire).

Next, what to bomb? In fact, you need any hard runway, a road, a fuel tank and an ammunition truck. The control is carried out from the checkpoint in the truck. This is not only for TV2, but in general for everyone, for Orion too. That is, UAVs can be based in some kind of airfield near a collective farm / town with an air club, and the main control (already in terms of application and strikes) is conducted from an intermediate point, where the command post is located within the city limits.

In the modern version, the UAV can be controlled even from the Sultan Palace in Ankara, even from Florida, even from Cairo.

[alexmach]

Here it is debatable. let's take the same Karabakh, was it a border conflict? It is not clear that they did not fight from the territory of Armenia, but it is difficult to call this conflict a borderline either. And they did not hesitate to use the OTRK.

Set up a military facility in urban development - well, how would you get it on urban development. Vaughn Jews bombed the most densely populated development in their region and did not hesitate to do anything.

This logic of "limited conflict" is suitable only if you do not bear tangible losses in it, then it is really possible to avoid a large-scale escalation, in the case of Karabakh, for example, it was simply necessary to strike deeply.

[lucul]

What are the control points? Basic version 300 km

This is where there is 300 km? From 150 to 200 km empty, with less load. And still, a stable connection must be provided at such a distance.

[donavi49]

What does it have to do with empty or with a load?

It has an empty endurance - 27 hours, but on a cruiser (120 km / h) and an optimal altitude. But this is more than a day in the sky. If 120 * 27 = 3200 km. Similarly, Orion - 140 km / h * 25 hours.

All this rests on communication channels. I showed above what they are controlled from, from a truck. It is possible to implement a network of mobile command posts in difficult terrain and control them at once by a flock of UAVs due to the absence of the need to control each one in a separate second. This is for TB2 and for Orion and for the homeless version of WingLong. Therefore, the limit is 150-300 km.

However, TV2, the Chinese have already launched MALE in series and sales with fundamentally different functions. Now a lightweight, cheap UAV has SATCOM. That is, it is possible to control the UAV via satellite anywhere in the world from a comfortable headquarters in the conditional Ankara, and on site only technical personnel and a couple of command posts, acting as backup ones, in a passive mode. Such UAVs are already turning into actually strategic ones, because they can conduct reconnaissance and strike at least 500-800 km inland. Orion does not yet have such a function. Altius / Altair only.

[carstorm 11]

How long have Turkey got satellites? For if they do not exist, then the possibilities are extremely limited.

[donavi49]

Long.
Now functioning:
Türksat 4A - Proton since the age of 14

Türksat 4B - Proton since 15 years

This platform is for 15 years of life, but in practice it will last 20 years if they do not mow. For the previous generation is already 18+ living on this platform.
Türksat 5A - Falcon9 from January 2021. The first national Turkish satellite, assembled in the TAI corporation (4a / b in Japan were assembled on Mitsubishi).

[carstorm 11]

I will ask differently. Their. Under control ?

[donavi49]

Well, I wrote - 4 were collected at Mitsubishi, and 5a and the future 5b were already in Turkey at the TAI corporation.

All transferred to the operator and operated from https://www.turksat.com.tr/en
Also, a national space center is being built, which Erdogan announced not so long ago.

[Incvizitor]

FSA can prohibit its tobaccos from taking something from the outside and all success will suddenly disappear.

[ximkim]

The commercial success is obvious, but the drone is Turkish, and in order to operate it you need to be a Turk.

[Fedor M]

It will not be surprising if the Turks will rule

[krops777]

If the combat success of these UAVs can still arouse criticism from skeptics, then the commercial one is obvious.

A little nuance, against whom are they going to use them? Surely this is another populist step by Duda, the readership will later remember where the people's money went.

[Fungus]

They will not save the Poles in case of war. As well as the Ukrainians.

[Lech from Android.]

In Belarus, one drone has already been shot down that crossed the border of the country ... it is not clear only whose it is.

[Fedor M]

Shh ... "Them" !!!

[Fedor M]

It's just business, buy and nag

[knn54]

Maybe not quite the topic.
At the very beginning of their unmanned programs (that is, from scratch), the Turks offered cooperation to the Kazan Enix, and in EVERYTHING, starting with unmanned targets.
NO RF does not work with NATO countries on military programs.
At the same time we BOUGHT sniper rifles from the latter. Iveco armored cars and something else.
The MAIN problem is the engines.
One of the Russian enterprises, which came close to resolving the issue, was accused of improper use of funds.
It is clear that without the help and Western technology, the Turks would hardly have achieved such success.
But it is not unimportant that there was POLITICAL WILL to solve this problem.
And lastly, manned aircraft did not participate at all in the Karabakh conflict.
Libya. Syriya and Karabakh have really shown the high efficiency of UAVs in local (YET) conflicts.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: knn54

And lastly, manned aircraft did not participate at all in the Karabakh conflict.

This is not true. Both sides actively used the Su-25, Mi-8/24.

[hose end]

Israel seems to be angry at the Turks, like the EU and the Amers. Where will the tripe for new beeples be taken? Its not yet, only China.

[OgnennyiKotik]

They have not been working with Israel for a long time in the military-industrial complex, everything is fine with the United States and the EU, there are problems with France and Greece. They organized their production of components, made a new version of TB2 / S. CATS optics and MIlSAR radar, Satcom satellite communication system, TUSAS TEI PD-170 engine

Judging by the news, the old version of TV2 is being sold, so the old components will be purchased under the Polish contract.

[hose end]

The Germans with MTU threw the Turks, which means they are in counter. Communication with satellites is a good thing when there is a constellation in orbit. Where to get the element base (at least in the form of optics and afar modules)?

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: hosekonceko

The Germans with MTU threw the Turks, which means they are in counter.

The submarines supply and do not squeak. They do not need a competitor for Leopards, Altai is in the same class with them.

Quote: hosekonceko

Communication with satellites is a good thing when there is a constellation in orbit.

So the Turks have it just in orbit.

Quote: hosekonceko

Where to get the element base (at least in the form of optics and afar modules)?

Wrote the same:
CATS optics and MIlSAR radar, Satcom satellite communication system, TUSAS TEI PD-170 engine
The Turks produce all this themselves, with a high degree of localization. No one completely blocked the supply to them, it is simply impossible.

[alexmach]

Yes, in such a package with satellite communication, it turns out steeper than Orion

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: hosekonceko

Israel seems to be angry at the Turks, like the EU and the Amers. Where will the tripe for new beeples be taken? Its not yet, only China.

There is, as it were, nothing Israeli

[Gardener91]

Quote: knn54

The MAIN problem is the engines.

It seems that the Turks have entered into an agreement with Motor Sich of Ukraine for the production of engines?

[Fedor M]

Then this is definitely a problem with the engines))))

[Adimius38]

Not surprisingly, they got good publicity.

[Zaurbek]

The Turks specifically climb into the garden of the United States and Israel with medium-sized UAVs. The next one will be Akinchi - Riper's competitor ..... and they climb precisely into their client base and those customers to whom the Americans did not sell such equipment. Moreover, his weapons. Americans and Jews sold such vehicles to some countries without weapons. In reconnaissance modification. And here it is cheaper and full of minced meat and no one dries the brain. Kill whoever you want.

[donavi49]

The Americans withdrew from the market. To buy a UAV, even in the most cut-down version, you have to either pour billions into lobbyists, or be Britain / Italy. There the Indians can't buy a dozen in any way, despite the anti-Chinese orientation and promises to buy a bunch of American weapons (some of them are confirmed by contracts).

Chinese WingLong has already made a Reaper for overseas supply and market coverage. So there will be no problems with Poland, for TV2. For there are no options (buy WingLongs - you can get it in the face for that).

[Zaurbek]

I'm not saying what will happen ...... wangyu:
1. Bayraktar will be bought (some%)
2. Will be sued for something.
3. Stop supplying components.

[senima56]

The use of this UAV in the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict turned out to be an excellent advertisement! And we, at one time, did not appreciate the advantages and benefits of using UAVs. For this, unfortunately, we had to pay with the lives of our pilots!

[Ros 56]

To sense from 24 pieces, like from a goat of milk, they will quickly multiply to zero. I'm wondering who this sighted person is - the range in the line of sight is up to 150 km.? Or is the author intruded into the mystery?

[isv000]

I've seen everything, but for a sovereign to hurry after a vassal is the first time ...

[Petro_tut]

The Poles made a mistake, they had to buy from the Israelites ...