China began testing a new 20-barreled anti-aircraft artillery mount

China has begun testing a new 20-barreled shipborne anti-aircraft gun mount. Photos of the new armory systems appeared in the Chinese segment of the Internet Weibo.

According to the American magazine The Drive, the new artillery mount has already passed three stages of testing. According to the photographs, the installation was fired in January, March and April this year. No details of the tests, as well as official reports on this topic from the Chinese developers have been received. There is still no information about the caliber and rate of fire of the system, as well as at what stage the developers are - a prototype, a prototype, or already ready for mass production.

According to images posted on the Internet, the new installation is a Gatling cannon with 20 barrels. The design is consistent with other artillery systems used on ships of the PLA Navy.

It is noted that the PLA Navy has two similar artillery systems of its own design, but both have a smaller number of barrels. Thus, the Type 730 artillery complex has seven barrels of 30 mm caliber, and the Type 1130 - 11 barrels of the same caliber. It is possible that the new installation has a caliber of 30 mm.

It is also noted that the new installation uses two barrels at once when fired. Judging by the photo, the shot is fired by the barrel located at the highest point and the barrel located below. Thus, two points are fired at once, and the rate of fire is doubled.

Note that China is rapidly building ships for the PLA Navy, so the need for artillery systems capable of shooting down a missile on approach to the ship will only increase.

Comments

[spech]

Coming soon on AliExpress.

[oleg-gr]

We will buy. Not a bad toy, judging by the description. It remains to wait for the portable version.

[mitroha]

Quote: oleg-gr

It remains to wait for the portable version.

Even our Terminator is unlikely to pull, let alone the T-1000, even more so.
Strong doubt takes me into the reliability of this wunderwafele.

[Bratkov Oleg]

The second country in the world, and history, which the soil from the moon is not in the cinema hall, but in real life, delivered to Earth.

[mitroha]

One is not a hindrance to the other. We were also the first to go into space, but not all achievements in the field of arms production belong to the USSR. Although many

[NIKN]

I don’t know, I don’t know, Power in this situation should be 2x tape ... Isn’t it easier to do just a six-barreled twin, once they want to increase the density of fire. They want to save on something, on nodes, on weight ..., but it is not critical for the ship, but if one node fails in the second one will remain, but here everything is more complicated and the probability of everything going out is immediately higher, but it is created for protection , then reliability should come first. Well, that's what I mean about mine ...

[dauria]

They want to save on something, on nodes, on weight ... but for the ship it is not critical,

The ships are also different .... Big and small. Maybe that's why? And the failure rate is such a thing ... it nonlinearly depends on the number of trunks. Maybe it makes sense to have two large installations instead of three smaller ones.

[Bratkov Oleg]

Most likely, the Chinese will do just that, put five to ten different designs side by side, and accept the one with a greater sum of positive parameters. and China, unlike us, can compare several different types. It is more efficient to bring to mind ten different installations at once than to spend all resources on one. But we don't have money for ten different ones, but China does.

[figwam]

Quote: NIKNN

Isn't it easier to do just a six-barreled twin, once they want to increase the density of fire.

We did just that.

[sergo1914]

Quote: NIKNN

I don’t know, I don’t know, Power in this situation should be 2x tape ... Isn’t it easier to do just a six-barreled twin, once they want to increase the density of fire. They want to save on something, on nodes, on weight ..., but it is not critical for the ship, but if one node fails in the second one will remain, but here everything is more complicated and the probability of everything going out is immediately higher, but it is created for protection , then reliability should come first. Well, that's what I mean about mine ...

There are no tapes there. Tears it up. There is auger feed.

[NIKN]

Quote: sergo1914

There are no ribbons there

I was referring to two sources of ammunition supply.

[mvg]

Only the Russian Federation made (in one copy) a Doublet. Normal guys for accuracy (grouping) are oriented and make one block of trunks and a radar guidance immediately above it. Goalkeeper, Falanx Chinese ... it's not in vain

[Bratkov Oleg]

Your normal guys can steal and plunder third world countries, and in a real combat clash, with a supposedly equal opponent, their weapons turn out to be crap.

[mvg]

their weapons turn out to be crap.

Well, like Iraq on their territory, they took it out in the same wicket both times, Yugov too ... but we did not fight with equals, since there is no equal. And they did the Japans, at the same time they helped us and the Angles and then they rushed so hard that they reached Berlin before us.
What do you dislike about their weapons? Half of the world is armed with it.

[Pensive Lawyer]

And let's see the remoteness of Berlin from the front line in our direction and from Normandy at the time of landing? From Normandy (the beginning of the operation on June 6) to Berlin 996 km. From Minsk (the beginning of the battles for liberation as much as June 29, that is, we give the Allies almost a month's head start) to Berlin, 953 km.
That is, the distance is generally equal.
And let's compare the size and composition of the Reich divisions on the Western and Eastern Fronts? Elite units, battle-hardened, fought with us. Hastily deployed reserves from the Eastern Front plus the local occupation contingent fought the Allies.
The Allies, so to speak, fought in much milder conditions. We had hardcore from the very beginning until the last day of the war.

[Rostislav]

Do not throw beads in front of ... "mvg"
It is clear that the Cossack is sent.

[mvg]

Hastily deployed reserves from the Eastern Front plus the local occupation contingent fought the Allies.

Since 1940, 2/3 of the Luftwaffe have fought on the Western Front. This can also be seen in Soviet sources. There is a monthly layout for losses. On the Eastern Front, Royal Tigers, Jagtigers, Jagpanthers were used - and these are the elite units? We flew jet Me-262s - this is also the elite. How many diesel-electric submarines Doenitz out of 800 built were in the Baltic or North Sea? Where and against whom did Bismarck, Prince Eugen and others fight? Are they reservists too? Could we carry out an operation like Landing in Normandy on a defensive coast?
On what fronts did Fritz's aces fought ... tank, air? So you say soft conditions?

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: mvg

then they rushed so hard that they reached Berlin before us.

Why then did we storm Berlin?

[mvg]

Why then did we storm Berlin?

Maybe because you haven't learned to appreciate people? Why the heck was to take this fortress? To lay down thousands of people when it is already clear that the war has been won, and it is possible to start exporting factories, engineers, equipment, trophies?
Berlin would have surrendered in a week anyway ... because the Americans are not stupid, they entrust the USSR with the hard work, and they themselves collect the cream ... And here, like on the Kursk Bulge: Everyone is on the attack .. and Pyrrhic Victory with an insane heap of losses .. ...
Is that answer okay?

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: mvg

Is that answer okay?

Probably, not.
This logic can go far if it is continued.
Do not agree?

[Bratkov Oleg]

Why did the Americans let the USSR destroy Japan? The millionth Kwantunov army was defeated by the Soviet Union in two weeks, and all of China left under the Anglo-Saxon influence, became friends with the USSR? It was then, after Stalin, under Khrushchev, the USSR parted with China in the ways of development, and under Stalin, the USSR received two bases in the Asian region, the ports of Dalniy and Port Arthur, and returned what had belonged to Russia under the Tsar. Again, it was later that Khrushchev withdrew the troops from Port Arthur, and from Dalny, and transferred the bases to China free of charge. As soon as the Americans liberated China themselves, it would lie under them, like Western Europe ...
For three and a half years, the United States drove ships across the Pacific Ocean, like they fought with Japan, and could not do anything. Well, yes, they gained dominance at sea, only aircraft carriers were riveted in 43 years, 50 escort and 15 strike aircraft carriers, and the USSR stopped this war in two weeks in 45. So with the landing in Normandy, the US sponsored Germany for the first half of the war, and when after Stalingrad they realized that Germany would lose, they began to save what was left.
Concern Opel in '39 was presented to Hitler, and in '45 the United States claimed it and took it back, well, Hitler did not succeed, it did not work, do not give it to Stalin?

[mvg]

and the USSR ended this war in two weeks in 45

You know, today is already a hard day and I can’t say that it’s joyful ... I can’t read this nonsense (sorry). Now, if you tell me how the USSR would fight alone against the Japans, then I will understand and forgive everything. How would we land on the islands, can you tell me? What was the state of our Navy? Or long-range aviation? I can tell you +/- a couple of pennants and +/- a pair of Pe-8, B-18, B-29 and some Liberators .. in total 48 used aircraft. And after the Americans, Japan has no fleet, no aviation, no gasoline, no reserves.
PS: Once again, the phrase is not mine: Do not read the Soviet press before bedtime .. Learn to think with your head and you will be happy. Sorry if it's rude.
And with the rest of your arguments about the same.

[Bratkov Oleg]

Where do you get this nonsense, from what training manual? When a land army occupies naval bases, the corresponding fleet ceases to exist.
Scribble on your forehead if you can't remember ...
And turn on your head, try to think. Japan has nothing, no oil, no steel, everything is imported.

[Alt 22]

And nothing that the Wehrmacht suffered the main losses on the Eastern Front?

[vadim dok]

Then no more spark, "construction" would be better! 6 × 3 = 18 barrels, well, "almost" 20!

[NIKN]

In terms of the rate of fire, the twin is enough, they have 2 barrels and they shoot 2 at the same time.

[Pandiurin]

It may not be just about the rate of fire.
The Chinese have 2x10
Duo 2x6
since at the same time "shoots" and there are two barrels and if the narrowest point in terms of rate of fire is the supply of cartridges, then in general cases the same rate of fire is obtained.

But with a long burst> 200 shots, the duo needs to pause, and after several such short bursts, an additional pause is required. Otherwise, water cooling does not cope, overheating occurs, accuracy drops, barrels for replacement.

Perhaps the Chinese warriors in the TZ wrote that the requirement, for example, continuous fire of a full bk and at the same time there should not be overheating.

Therefore, nearly twice the number of barrels can be twice as cool.

There is another option, if on this memory there is iron on the trunks like on Chinese Kalash, then in order to achieve the same parameters as on the Duet, more trunks were required.

[garri-lin]

Like "Duet"?

[Jager]

Two barrels for the price of one))

[Piramidon]

Achrenital meat grinder.

[PN]

Yes, this is no longer a meat grinder, this is a sandblasting machine! It will make holes in any armor (by the number of projectiles fired). But how does he fire at two points, I don’t understand?

[Uncle lee]

Quote: PN

this is no longer a meat grinder

Obviously, he won't go for ducks ... But the Metrostroevites or the BAM members - right to dig tunnels ...

[Shkworen]

About 10 years ago, in popular mechanics, they wrote about the concept of an Australian engineer, a machine gun with a rate of fire of a million rounds per minute. He had almost 1500 barrels and an electronic shutter for each barrel (not special, but it was written so, maybe knowledgeable people will clarify this topic). There was even a video, which is quite impressive. On it, about 20 steel doors standing one after another, in less than a minute, ground into dust.

[Aviator_]

"Popular Mechanics" is a trash heap. Half of the publication is filled with American advertisements, and the other half is filled with such nonsense. However, maybe it was the April issue.

[SHOPPING MALL]

Quote: Shkworen

About 10 years ago, in popular mechanics, they wrote about the concept of an Australian engineer, a machine gun with a rate of fire of a million rounds per minute. He had almost 1500 barrels and an electronic shutter for each barrel (not special, but it was written so, maybe knowledgeable people will clarify this topic). There was even a video, which is quite impressive. On it, about 20 steel doors standing one after another, in less than a minute, ground into dust.

Probably it is about the "Metallstorm" system - a bunch of barrels + 5-10 ammunition with electric ignition sequentially placed in the barrel.

[Shkworen]

in my opinion, yes, I don’t remember exactly the name :)

[Popandos]

the shot is fired by the barrel at the highest point and the barrel at the bottom. Thus, two points are fired at once, and the rate of fire is doubled.

The rate of fire increases, yes, but you won't be able to fire at two points at the same time.

[Sergey_G_M]

From the point of view of reliability, survivability and price, our pair of two six-barreled submachine guns will be better. The rate of fire is now limited mainly by the rate of ammunition supply and not by the number of barrels.

[Zaurbek]

Not a fact ..... there is 1 meskhanism and 20 barrels, we and Italians have 2 mechanisms and 12 barrels. The rate of fire + or - is the same. They come out, the load and the heating of the barrel is less.

[rocket757]

"gluttonous" thing turns out.
I wonder if it is extremely effective or is it an experiment, a search for new opportunities, indicators?

[Piramidon]

Quote: rocket757

"gluttonous" thing turns out.
I wonder if it is extremely effective or is it an experiment, a search for new opportunities, indicators?

If the projectiles will go with a small dispersion, then the cone of solid destruction should be large. Fig you will break through

[rocket757]

So yes, the rotation of the barrel block is slower, and the bullet curtain is denser, if the system is balanced, it is made with high quality.

[Zaurbek]

It reminds me of a GU with an LCD in a car ..... of any size and shape for android with Aliexpress

[Sahalinets]

Our Duet looks much smarter.

[Zaurbek]

Ours use 30mm x6 doubled on the "duet" system 6x2 = 12 barrels. And here is one of 20 barrels. You need to know the weight

[voyaka uh]

The Duet has automatic equipment based on gas energy.
The Americans have an electric motor and a chain drive.
For the Chinese, it is not indicated. Most likely an external drive.

[garm]

It would be interesting to read the results of these tests. So the idea is not bad, the density of the salvo doubles. We have analogues - AK-630M-2 "Duet".

[Zhenya Khazarsky]

Broadsword / Palm more!

[kot423]

Hmm ... S20yu barrels, given that the 6-barrel 6K30GSh fires 4,5-5k rounds per minute, it turns out to throw artillery, rocket, etc. from the ships. weapons and hammer his BC to this wunderwaffle?

[Nikolaevich I]

Oh, and the Chinese love to mine ... coal ... small, but to heka; i.e. , lot ! After all, in my opinion, they owned the "record": 11-barreled 30-mm artillery installation ...

[tralflot1832]

You haven’t visited Svalbard by any chance. This proverb is from there: Svalbard is a country of coal, small, but a lot. "Arctic coal" is still alive, Ukrainians used to work.

[Runway]

Yellow in their repertoire - MCA ammunition with controlled detonation in any way, so they replace quality with quantity.

[tlauicol]

How much it weighs in grams. Swing speed?

[Aviator_]

Thus, two points are fired at once.

A strange statement. Are the trunks directed in different directions? Looks like google translation.

[voyaka uh]

Two shots at the same time. Top and bottom point.
The distance between them is the diameter of the circle from the trunks.
If the trunks are parallel, then simultaneous hits on two points.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: voyaka uh

If the trunks are parallel, then simultaneous hits on two points.

Well, according to the "theory of probability", "simultaneous hits on two points" are possible! But they "aim" in one! The meaning of all this multilateralism multiplied by the rate of fire is at the moment of "falling asleep" tightly (!) A certain amount of space in front of the protected object! The versatility of such artillery installations is one of the ways to solve the problem of protecting an object from high-speed (supersonic and hypersonic ...) ammunition (missiles)! A similar concept of protecting an object from high-speed weapons was tried at one time by the Italians with their `` Myriad '' complex.

[Aviator_]

Dear, your statement is true when the distance to the target is less than 50 m. Already at 100 m the spread will be decent.

[seregatara1969]

how can one cannon fire at two points at once?

[SHOPPING MALL]

Quote: seregatara1969

how can one cannon fire at two points at once?

Shooting goes in bursts, and in any case, not to one point, since there is dispersal. The goal is to increase the probability of hitting the target, taking into account the dispersion.

[seregatara1969]

this process is not controlled - the author made a mistake in writing the article

[TermNachTer]

Gigantomania has not brought anyone to any good yet. Suffice it to recall the German guns "Karl" and "Dora"

[Zomanus]

I can imagine what kind of roar there is when shooting.

[Klingon]

Quote: Shkworen

About 10 years ago, in popular mechanics, they wrote about the concept of an Australian engineer, a machine gun with a rate of fire of a million rounds per minute. He had almost 1500 barrels and an electronic shutter for each barrel (not special, but it was written so, maybe knowledgeable people will clarify this topic). There was even a video, which is quite impressive. On it, about 20 steel doors standing one after another, in less than a minute, ground into dust.

what about the concept of Metal Storm? only there the system is not at all Gattling, there are ordinary barrels but with electric ignition. Ammunition is in the barrels one after the other (4-8 pieces), collected in packages. rate of fire (theoretical) 1 million rounds per minute. but that's just a calculation. actually there is a four-barrel Shilka type but less. And she instantly shoots 4 shells. those. 4 ultra-short bursts of 4. And then the barrels must be reloaded like the old squeaky. There was also a multi-barrel 38 barrels. But also not Gattling
here's a link to youtube

https://youtu.be/AEu9LLQpOF8

PS: Sorry, I'm not sticking to how to insert working hyperlinks here. Many sites do this automatically, but here you have to bother somehow and I broke

[Herman 4223]

I can imagine how many shells she eats, in the ship a whole compartment for ammunition will have to be made.

[Max PV]

I suspect that it is being done as an anti-missile weapon for ships, since the rate of fire of modern anti-aircraft guns is no longer enough. The simplest calculation: let the rocket maneuver with an overload of 5g, the firing distance is 500-1000m. This means that the flight time of the anti-aircraft projectile is within 0,5-1,5 s. That is, no matter how perfect and accurate the fire control system is, after the shot, the target can absolutely unpredictably shift in any direction within a * t² / 2 or 6,25-56m, depending on the range. This is in addition to just linear movement depending on speed. Thus, taking into account the low flight altitude and, as a consequence, the limited vertical maneuver only in the upper direction, we get a semicircle that needs to be filled with shells, and to get directly into the missile warhead with its detonation, and not with a fragment or there GGE, which simply will not pierce the warhead hull , but directly by the projectile. This means that for the probable defeat of a rocket with a transverse projection area of ​​0,5 square meters, we need to release r² * n / 2 / S from 122 shells at 500m to 9850 at 1000m. Taking into account the speed of modern anti-ship missiles of 500-1000 m / s, these shells should be fired in about 0,5-1 seconds. That is, the minimum technical rate of fire for the ZA should be of the order of 122x60 / t from 7500 to 15000 rds / min. While most have a rate of fire in the range of 3-5 thousand rds / min. And this is if the rocket maneuvers with overloads up to 5g. With overloads of 10g, which does not present any special technical difficulties and is declared for many anti-ship missiles, the rate of fire of the ZA should be four times higher, 30-60 thousand rounds / min.

[Ava]

Hooray! comrades are Chinese.

[Pavel57]

How does the number of barrels increase the likelihood of hitting a target?

[Pavel57]

Quote: Intruder

This is just a head-on solution - one ballistic problem, so the Chinese decided not to count complex equations and make expensive systems, they just want to play with the geometric proportion

The increase in the probability of damage after 10-12 trunks will be minimal.